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Never Ever edition
old >>12471316

Upcoming:
PSLV-XL | CMS-01 (GSAT-12R)
Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:11 UTC
Second Launch Pad, Satish Dhawan Space Centre, India

Falcon 9 Block 5 | NROL-108
LZ-1
Thu Dec 17, 2020 14:00 UTC
LC-39A, Kennedy Space Center, Florida, USA

>> No.12474954
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>I-I'm sorry I couldn't land for you, Mister Musk. Please be gentle with my younger sister's flaps.

>> No.12474955
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First for the finest

>> No.12474956

>>12474954
Cute

>> No.12474960

>>12474945
>ORANGE TANK BAD

>> No.12474964

Is Alan Lindenmoyer based? I just saw a NOVA documentary about rockets and lindenmoyer claimed himself to be the first one from NASA to actually take interest in spacex

>> No.12474965
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>NASA SLS megarocket testing stalled by temperature issues
>"There's not anything wrong with the rocket," a NASA official said.

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xth for hydrogen tanks taking up all available room

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>>12474960
yes

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>>12474955
LARGE

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musk rat has been stirring up the retarded twitter trannies again huh?

>> No.12474979

fun NRO F9 RTLS launch tomorrow!
Launch thread will be up an hour or so before t-0. Don't miss it

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>tfw space favela

>> No.12474984

>>12474965
This does not look comfy

>> No.12474989

>>12474978
You cant sneak bullshit past the musk

>> No.12474994

In how many hours is the launch?

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>>12474994
Add a UTC clock to your windows already

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>>12474973

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I have an 8 year old son that wants to come with me to a rocket launch next summer. I've never seen one either, should I take the chance and wait for the full Starship stack or just find a cool launch and minimize the risk? My wife is divorcing me because I work too much so spending time with him is going to be at a premium, and I want this memory for us both as the proceedings start.

>> No.12475035

>>12475031
Kill your wife

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>>12475031
>RD0162 - Russian methalox engine
I'll drop some neat pictures as payment for advice.

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>>12475035

>> No.12475043
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>>12475031
Check out Cape Canaveral. Hopefully they won't cuck out to the endless lockdown bullshit that far out.

>> No.12475045

>>12475031
Damn. Hope you’re feeling good mentally anon. I think bringing him to boca chica would be unforgettable.

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>>12475031
>RD 120
Hydrolox engine that supposedly was so sophisticated or complex the Russians no longer have the capability of building more.

>> No.12475053

>>12475035
I think about it daily.
>>12475045
Thanks anon. I put a couch in his room and I sleep in there, so we spend every night watching shows together and talking about rockets. I write software at an aerospace company and he's been at our facilities a few times so the kid loves everything that flies

>> No.12475059

>>12475031
>divorcing me because I work to much
I really hope that whore doesn't get anything or you get fucked in family court
If you do get fucked move to Singapore

>> No.12475064

>>12475040
>RD0162
>https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=33645.0

cool. Didn't know about this.

>> No.12475070

>>12474954
Lewd

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>>12475031
>diamond anvil, for the creation of metallic hydrogen
The world's only sample of metallic hydrogen was """lost"""

>> No.12475078

>>12475075
Wait what? Is there a story behind this?

>> No.12475079

>>12475031
>My wife is divorcing me because I work too much
>>12475053
>I write software at an aerospace company and he's been at our facilities a few times
I am speechless. Perhaps it is because of what you do, not how much time you spend on it? Is she one of the "we should instead feed the poor in Africa" types?

>> No.12475080

>>12475079
Nah women think that way. My mother divorced my father for similarly petty, insane reasons.

>> No.12475084

>>12475049
Russia restarted RD-120 production in 2019.
Main problem with RD-120 that it was manufactured in Yuzhmash.

>> No.12475085

>>12475080
No worries, I am aware of how the average female is. It is just that this particular case is outstanding even within the context.

>> No.12475094

>>12475031
If you have enough time with him for a potential scrub then absolutely. If you can take him to a smaller one first that'd be cool too, it'd really impress upon him the immense scale of Starship

>> No.12475101

>>12475049
>ukrainians sold this to China
Man, Boeing or Lockheed should have bought like whole ex-soviet space industry.
In 90s China skipped like whole generation of space hardware development thanks to technology they got from ex-soviets.

>> No.12475114

>>12475079
Nah, when we got together i knew software was what I wanted to do. I even switched and tried to get pointy the financial world and she encouraged me to get back into development. She just has no friends, so she gets home from work at 3 and waits 7 or 8 hours for me to get home so she can speak to an adult. I'm sure that routine got old.

>> No.12475124

>>12475078
https://habr.com/en/post/370209/

This is the site I got the story from, it got linked from some Russian guy's blog about rocket propellants. But, it seems credible enough and the diamond anvils do seem to be commonly accepted. There's a need article i have bookmarked on another computer from chemical and engineering news about the anvils and the quest for metallic hydrogen that I'll find later

>> No.12475129

>>12475084
Does that mean the problem is just because the tooling was in Ukraine, or was there another reason?

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>TONIGHT, on /sfg/

>> No.12475142

>>12475114
>She just has no friends, so she gets home from work at 3 and waits 7 or 8 hours for me to get home so she can speak to an adult.
It keeps getting worse.

>> No.12475154

>>12475139
Richard goes manual on a rocket lab launch

>> No.12475157

>>12475139
James crashes a cybertruck through a posh printed habitat

>> No.12475159

>>12475139
and I nuke Mars

>> No.12475164

>>12475139
and I have a pint during a Starship landing maneuver

>> No.12475172

>>12475139
>Earth's Atmosphere! Is is REALLY necessary??

>> No.12475180

>>12475139
>I break into Blue Origin to see what they are really working on.

>> No.12475193

>>12475139
>Test flight in a reasonably priced rocket. Good luck!

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This thing really is huge: https://twitter.com/nasawb57/status/1339453028450115586

also really fucking loud I made myself jump when I turned my speakers off mute. Hopefully this dude gets to see SN9's flight.

>> No.12475200

>>12475194
Thank god SNC resurrected her

>> No.12475206

>>12475200
amen

https://twitter.com/nasawb57/status/1338723096812023810
https://twitter.com/nasawb57/status/1339382730681933825
https://twitter.com/nasawb57/status/1339447418207821831

>> No.12475209

I think I may have just thought of a method to generate metallic hydrogen en masse...it wouldn't be easy, but it might work

Okay, there's a company working on a special type of fusion reactor that uses imploding liquid metal driven by a series of pistons in a swirling vortex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3zcmPmW6dE
So this system can create insane pressure at its center-if the hydrogen injected is not a plasma and they can prevent it from becoming one, could it condense hydrogen into its metallic form with each pulse? If that happens and it's metastable, they ight be able to modify this into a metallic hydrogen generator as well as a fusion power plant.

>> No.12475212

>>12475139
HAMMOND YOU IDIOT

YOU'VE BROUGHT A HYDROLOX BOOSTER SUSTAINER

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>[Eris] is also the largest object that has not been visited by a spacecraft.
god damn it bros. i just want to know what's out there.

>> No.12475215

>>12475194
How much do they flex in flight?

>> No.12475219

>>12475209
Their fusion concept is very interesting and I can see how it offers loads of advantages over muh tokamak.

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>>12475139
>naturally, i was the first to arrive...

>> No.12475227

>>12475219
They're very well funded and yeah,any fusion concept that embraces a liquid metal liner wins points from me-solid diverters and first walls are a nightmare of wear and tear. First Light fusion and Zap Energy are both on the liquid train and are quite interesting.

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This is an interesting project. NASA is trying to create a craft that produces minimal sonic booms. Goal being to enable planes to go supersonic over land without reking a bunch of windows, etc.

https://twitter.com/NASA_Langley/status/1339208996083929088
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_X-59_QueSST

Does NASA routinely do stuff that's not strictly space-related?

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>>12475215
not sure. Anecdotally they don't seem to droop as much during flight. They're stronger than they look because back when it was a bomber it had to carry heavy fuel tanks on the wings.

>> No.12475236

>>12475229
>NASA
>National AERONAUTICS and Space Administration

>> No.12475238

>>12475225
>Jeremy you remember how those block 4 boosters didn't have redundant hydraulics on their grid fins?
>yes....
>what block is yours?
>Well, it's a four...

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about FUCKING TIME

>> No.12475243

>>12475240
Just in time for him to leave office and Biden to reverse all his decisions.

>> No.12475247

>>12475243
I hope Pence and Jim go out in a blaze of glory and set up a whole bunch of cool projects in the hopes that maybe a few of them will survive the biden administration

>> No.12475251

>>12475240
>here's how trump can still win

>> No.12475254

>>12475139
Orion turns sixteen years old so we let it take a Starship out for a spin.

>> No.12475257

SpaceX should modify a cargo dragon and do a lunar sample return. A FHeavy reusable launch could do it. Bring back multiple times what the Chinese just did.

Auction it off 1 gram at a time to pay for it.

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>> No.12475270

>>12475264
is the orion approach the best way to use nuclear power to move a spaceship? Sorry for the dumb question; don't know about nuclear propulsion in space

>> No.12475271

>>12475264
oh... oh woah is this official or someone’s mockup?

>> No.12475276

>>12475264
>cost to taxpayer
>20 trillion dollars

Orion is fucking stupid and a waste of a retard amount of nukes.

>> No.12475277

>>12475257
That would literally cost more than just finishing HLS development at this point and delivering an entire ton of moon rocks.

>> No.12475281

>>12475271
That's an official document annotated by Atomic Rockets.

>> No.12475284

>>12475238
lmao

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>>12475240
Russia is working on their own nuclear tug: https://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2020/12/15/109747

>> No.12475289

>>12475276
It would be cool if we contacted a nearby alien species at proxima centauri or something, and they wanted to make friendly contact. Then an orion ship would be a cool planetary effort. But yeah it’s kind of useless in our timeline

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>>12475240
>safe and reliable power systems
He's scuttling future moon projects. Biden will be too afraid of lefty environmentalists to reverse this and it will take 8+ years to get anything built that's 'safe and reliable' by NASAs current standards.

>> No.12475295

>>12474978
Luckily it's pretty essy to ignore. He really seemed to strike a nerve recently lmao

>> No.12475301

Hilarious how these leftoids go apeshit at Musk for being muh billionaire playing with rockets, meanwhile they just somehow ignore he is one of the single biggest drivers behind renewable energy and electric cars which they always rabidly shill for.

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>>12475180
reposting my favorite article from the Berg

>> No.12475312

>>12475301
>B-but it's not ETHICAL TRANS AFFIRMING BIPOC CENTERED alternative energy!!!!!!

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>>12475312
>>12475301
Just looked at his latest posts and holy crap it pissed off so many trannies and feminists lmao and he does not give a shit, BAHAHAHA.

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>>12475139
>We take the new Honda Galaxia out for a spin

>> No.12475348

>>12475292
The document in question specifically mentions space nuclear power generation, NEP, and NTR.

>> No.12475350
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Could the ITS design be used for an advanced lunar lander in the future?
The only reason it was dumped was because they needed fins for the landing, but that's not a problem on the moon.
The ITS legs would also be great for uneven surfaces

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>>12475139
>WE SEE WHAT IS TRULY THE FASTEST RIDE TO THE MOON
>I WILL TAKE ELON MUSK'S NEW STARSHIP ROCKET
>HAMMOND WILL BE RIDING AN ELECTRON WITH A MOOSE KIT
>AND JAMES...IS TAKING SLS.

>> No.12475361

>>12475351
What the fuck is that? You re enter the atmosphere surrounded by some fucking home depot ablative expanding foam?

No way

>> No.12475362

>>12474999
holy kino

>> No.12475364

>>12475276
normally it costs millions of dollars to refine stuff like uranium into rods... i know a way that costs about 30 dollars.

>> No.12475365

>>12475053
what company? I need a fucking job. I'm a new graduate math major with some Python/C++ skills. All these faggots have pushed back hiring until January.

>> No.12475366

>>12475040
Why does Russia have this kick ass methalox engine that I've never herd of until now?

>>12475084
>Russia restarted RD-0120 production in 2019
Wait really, who is manufacturing it now?

>> No.12475369

>>12475350
Elon has said future Starship revisions will have much wider stance and auto leveling capabilities.

>> No.12475371

>>12475361
The official reason for canceling MOOSE development is basically bureaucratese for "what the fuck is wrong with you people!?"

>> No.12475404

>>12475311
Wh-where is New Glenn? I-it launches next y-year r-right?
N-New Armstrong is already on the w-way, right?

>> No.12475405

>>12475361
Yes. You orient for reentry and deorbit manually using a handheld rocket. Then you pull the inflatable foam trigger and hope you don't die.

>> No.12475416

>>12475129
yeah
can't really make a rocket from parts made in a country you invaded

>> No.12475424

>>12475416
You absolutely can, see post-war V2 production. You just have to invade the part with the rocket factory.

>> No.12475427

>>12475114
you should tell her that divorcing you won't help her get any friends

>> No.12475430

>>12475416
>>12475424
The bigger problem is that a lot of industry and research firms that Ukraine inherited from the USSR are kill and have never really revived or replaced.

>> No.12475432

18 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOg-2wq3qDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOg-2wq3qDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOg-2wq3qDI

>> No.12475434

>>12475432
Wait uh what is CMS-1

>> No.12475435

>>12475270
probably
there are more efficient ways, like the Medusa drive (Orion but a giant parachute instead of a big steel plate) but that has concerns with the durability of the parachute

>> No.12475436

>>12475424
well they didn't take over that part of the country

>> No.12475438

>>12475436
they should, partition the ukr*raine between Russia and Poland

>> No.12475439

>>12475361
>>12475371
the only objections to MOOSE can be summed up as "what the fuck is wrong with you"
there are no technical obstacles, no showstoppers, absolutely no reason it can't work

>> No.12475440

>>12475434
Communication satellite. It's a replacement for GSAT-12 which is being put out to pasture.

>> No.12475441

>>12475434
Oh nevermind it’s just a poo satellite. I was thinking it stood for crew mission 1 or something

>> No.12475445

>>12475439
Looks pretty unstable and like it would be really fucking easy to lose the correct orientation and end up as mach 20 bbq

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>>12475339
Y-yes! Elon s-sure showed those trannies haha!

>> No.12475448

>>12475432
Instantaneous window?

>> No.12475451

>>12475447
grimes logged in lmao

>> No.12475452

>>12475447
Grimes denied pussy until he put out a generic platitude on twitter to placate her.

>> No.12475453

>>12475447
>looking at neuralink job app
>asks you what your pronouns are
makes me not want to apply there

>> No.12475459

>>12475453
>didn't put
>high chancellor/god emperor

ngmi

>> No.12475464

>>12475270
no

>> No.12475469

>>12475445
it's easy to make an object passively stable
it's also easy to make a foam consistently form the correct shape

>> No.12475471

>>12475270
I'd post the best methods but i don't want to get the van if you know what i mean.

>> No.12475474

>>12475459
I'm a big fan of putting my full name as my preferred pronouns

>> No.12475475

oh my god this livestream is amazing

they can afford an orbital rocket but not a broadband connection to the studio

>> No.12475477

144p launch feeds

>> No.12475479

>>12475471
it's not like "Orion pusher plate + casaba howitzer" is protected information, anon
unless you mean nuclear salt water meme rockets

>> No.12475482

>>12475475
did they accidentally leave a few zeros off of their target bitrate

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>> No.12475490

it's about ten times more tolerable muted

kind of excited to see if the rocket has the same level of attention paid to technical details as well

>> No.12475491

>>12475270
no
there are proposals for fusion rocket which are basically tokamaks open at one side
much easier to refuel and nobody is going to whine about other people flying around in a mobile nuclear warhead fortresses

>> No.12475492

>chat disabled
guess they got tired of the street shitting jokes

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>> No.12475516

>>12475194
>122 foot 5 inch

So how many football fields is that?

>> No.12475519

>STAGE PERFORMANCE NOMINAL
I am absolutely reading all callouts in an indian accent now

>> No.12475522

OH GOD I'M PLUUUMMING

>> No.12475525

>>12475522
>One really big aesthetic engine
>PLOOMS for several minutes straight
>one started can't stop
>Plume gets all over everything on the pad
>may have spent much of his money of flame trenches

>> No.12475529

>>12475519
This entire thing is pretty aesthetic, with the 1980s look, the guy doing the callouts into a microphone, and the graphics that look like they were programmed in Visual Basic.

>> No.12475533

>>12475139
Does anyone know anything about a "Top Gear Christmas Special" of 100 years in the future where they're farting around in space ships? I apparently saved someone's random Google Doc about 3 1/2 years ago, and can't find any reference to it with a google search just now. It's about 70k with HTML fuckery removed. I'm just curious if I ended up with a rare Lost Writing or something.

>100 years in the future, Clarkson, Hammond and May buy three 2030’s era spaceships and go on a ‘Grand Tour’.
>There aren’t any cars*, most of the humour is poorly copied from Top Gear itself, it's overly crude and the entire thing is written in a weird cross between a transcript and an actual story. But if you ever imagined the unholy trio tooling around in space being wankers, then read on. A word of warning — If you aren’t instinctively doing the voices in your head, this might not be the story for you. Oh, and we’ll just gloss right over pesky issues with physics that don’t mesh well with the story, shall we?
>* Ok there is one car, but since no one drives it (yet), it doesn’t count.
> Hair of the Dog
>Jeremy Clarkson sits drinking at a bar, with a stunning view of Saturn in the background. Richard Hammond walks in, stretching a crick out of his neck.
>Clarkson: “Hello Hamster, how did you sleep?”
>Hammond: “Weren’t we just attempting to jump the Grand Canyon in a school bus? What’s going on?”
>Clarkson, dismissively: “Robotic clone nanotechnology something or other. It’s better than being dead. I mean, look at this view.”
>Hammond, still rubbing his neck: “Maybe... I have the most incredible hangover.”

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THREAD PERFORMANCE NORMAL

>> No.12475549

>>12474945
why is there water?

>> No.12475555

>>12475479
i mean a fission fusion hybrid ship and wouldn't ride on silly shockwave detonations from nukes.

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>this thing was meant to launch in December
>one year AFTER its failed docking
>planned to launch in April
lmao

>> No.12475638

Just buttchugged whiskey what’s happening in space land

>> No.12475647

>>12475604
Why do amerikkkans put srbs on everything?

>> No.12475648

>>12475638
go watch the indians launch a rocket, it's cool
very nice webcast, not at all a shitshow

>> No.12475674

oh my fucking god why are Austrians such shitposters
read this blurb
https://austrialpin.net/
the product (quick disconnect buckles) is used on the Dragon spacecraft seatbelts

>> No.12475675

>>12475647
Cheap, simple extra thrust. It also keeps the solid motor development companies afloat between missile contracts, preserving institutional knowledge.

>> No.12475676

>>12475647
SRBs are the ranch sauce of the American oldspace industry

>> No.12475678

>>12475647
fireworks
powerful SRB lobby
JFK was right
uhhhhhhhh
if you put an SRB on your rocket, both Congress and the Pentagon will lean down and suck your cock

>> No.12475690

Is Roscosmos newspace?

>> No.12475694

>>12475690
no
they are Weekend at Bernie'space

>> No.12475711

>>12475604
Where they want to dock it though? CRS-21 will be long gone, but Crew-2 is meant to launch in March, and Crew-1 won't leave until May.

>> No.12475718
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>>12475647
They need to keep the engineering knowledge to maintain their ICBM fleet.

>> No.12475722
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12475722

get pooed on
https://twitter.com/isro/status/1339539726269726720

>> No.12475729

NSF stream starting in 42 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rrxhe3M3iA

>> No.12475751
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slightly early NROL-108 launch thread because I'm a busy man
>>12475740
>>12475740
>>12475740

>> No.12475757

>>12475711
They pulled this stunt just to mess with SpaceX. If Starliner launched now, nobody would really care, because Boing is still a year behind the schedule, But if they launch at the same time as Crew-2, which is long duration mission, SpaceX will have to wait for Starliner to fuck off the docking port (assuming they actually won't fuck it up again), before they go.

>> No.12475758

>>12475031
Take him to the first starship launch

>> No.12475766

>>12475240
Imagine its the late 2030s and SpaceX has several hundred to a few thousand people on mars and NASA begins sending scientific missions on their own nuclear powered spacecraft. Would be kind of cool though to have two organizations sending people to mars for two different major reasons on different spacecraft.

>> No.12475769

>>12475311
UH OH!

>> No.12475770

>>12475276
I think that'd be for interstellar missions though. So makes sense.

>> No.12475776

>>12475766
>Imagine its the late 2030s and SpaceX has several hundred to a few thousand people on mars and NASA begins sending scientific missions on their own nuclear powered spacecraft.
>Boing is still trying to get the clock to work on Starliner

>> No.12475780

>>12475694
underrated

>> No.12475785

>>12475694
Lmao
Their National Space Centre looks cool though, will it be effective consolidating all design bureaus under one roof or will it just increase rivalry and infighting?

>> No.12475790
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12475790

>>12475785
>will it be effective consolidating all design bureaus under one roof or will it just increase rivalry and infighting?

>> No.12475794

>>12475751
wow spacex is really blasting through their record this year

>> No.12475800
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>>12475722
poo bro rockets have no right being this based

>> No.12475803

>>12475776
Well, they can make historical flights for tourists to Axiom station, before it deorbits.

>> No.12475831

>>12475800
>4 stages + strap-on boosters
Based indeed.

>> No.12475842

>>12475803
>the "near future"
>flying cars are a common sight, people are using Starships to travel between the planets
>Boing still finding some excuses why Starliner shouldn't get cancelled, and require further funding to launch on SLS

>> No.12475852

>>12475842
>737ULT has been grounded following six consecutive crashes

>> No.12475863
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>>12475031
I'd absolutely recommend >>12475094 and >>12475758 if at all possible. The first orbital flight of Starship is practically a necessity and making it all the more awesome by getting him to realize just how monumental Starship is would be something truly unforgettable.
>>12475264
So what parts of Orion are still confidential and why? Something about shaped charge nuclear warheads?

>> No.12475907

>>12475365
>Python/C++
In today's world, you need real work experience (or a lot of code examples you wrote and compiled) to be considered for anything programming related. There are so many CS grads being pumped out of colleges with shit knowledge, so a degree isn't worth much right now.

>> No.12475913

>>12475035
This but unironically

>> No.12475914

>>12475453
It's for happy happy tranny tranny safe space hugs and kisses smoke and mirrors.
Elon is learning that while you don't have to give a fuck about feelings and opinions to get shit done, not having a raging throng of retards screaming at you day and night can make things a bit more peaceful. Not to mention that with a new POTUS on the way in, there will be another wave of people out for blood to slow musk's progress.

>> No.12475937

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1339373086534234117?s=20

Lol called it

>> No.12475952

>>12475937
Notice how nobody sells their shares of SpaceX.

>> No.12475968

>>12475952
Because it's not a publicly traded company for one?

>> No.12475969
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12475969

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

Classic from a classic

>> No.12476007

>>12475969
Based von braun

>> No.12476011
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12476011

I don’t think I’ve ever seen weather this shitty in a launch stream

>> No.12476013

>>12475937
Smart man.

>> No.12476014

>>12476011
What matters is the weather higher up and in landing drone. 1) wind speed high up 2) lightning issues 3) ocean wave state at drone landing

>> No.12476019

>>12474965
>There's not anything wrong with the rocket
what did he mean by this?

>> No.12476026

>>12476014
>Following stage separation, SpaceX will land Falcon 9’s first stage on Landing Zone 1 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.

this isn't a drone ship landing

>> No.12476029

Showing DIVH in a SpaceX broadcast. Bros....

>> No.12476031

I kinda like these ads.

>> No.12476033

>>12476026
So even less landing issues

>> No.12476037

Loving this audio

>> No.12476039

>>12476029
Electron and Antares too. Not sure why they'd even show Antares when they've never launched on one.

>> No.12476041

>>12476039
not that you would know
t. insider

>> No.12476045

>>12475214
Haumea first

>> No.12476055

hold

>> No.12476070
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12476070

CringeX

>> No.12476076

>>12475031
ah yes, the classic "you're providing too much for this family" divorce clause

>> No.12476080

>>12475718
this. The only nations which use solids are those which also maintain a solid-fuel-based ICBM inventory. They are inferior for every purpose except high thrust and long shelf life.

>> No.12476086

>>12475831
and alternating hypergolic and solid stages

>> No.12476089

Holding? Just tuned in.

>> No.12476090

i never want to hold again bros...

>> No.12476093

>>12476089
yeah; not a full scrub yet

join us in the launch thread
>>12475740

>> No.12476095

>>12476089
the window is pretty huge

>> No.12476097

>>12476089
Look at the weather

>> No.12476117

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1339581881214492677
IMPLESSIVE CHINESE QUANTUM MOON ROCKS

>> No.12476118

>>12475842
>in the grim darkness of the far future
>Boingus struggles with an archaic piece of technology called a "star of the line"
>myth states that it is even older than mankind's interstellar ventures
>for reasons unknown to outsiders the Mechanicus refuses to work with the company in deciphering this tech

>> No.12476123

>>12476117
get off twitter elon, you have a rocket to launch

>> No.12476124

>>12476117
elon is a fool for falling for this. though he is compromised by china now that tesla is there. never misses a chance to stroke sino shaft. ends justify the means i guess

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>>12475969

>> No.12476149

>>12476138
why did we give up on chompers bros :/

>> No.12476157
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>>12476149
it's coming back

>> No.12476159
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12476159

Man say what you want but Starhopper has the most soul out of any of the Starship prototypes aside from maybe Snate.

>> No.12476163

>>12476124
Elon benefits a huge amount from renewed interest in space via a space race with China.

>> No.12476168

>>12476157
tags: vore, size difference

>> No.12476175

>>12476163
Our political class is too inept to see the threat china represents

>> No.12476179

>>12476159
speculating what it was as it was being built was fun.

>> No.12476182

>>12476175
China unironically chastised the US for not supporting BLM. They’re degenerates and I hope they get cucked one day

>> No.12476187

>>12476175
Show them the effects hydrazine has on chinese villagers.

>> No.12476188

>>12476175
they're not inept, they're in the pocket of corporations who rely on Chinese slave labor to produce cheap goods and dominate markets. The corporate donor class wants strong ties with China because of this and the politicians don't want to lose their donors because 80% of the time the politician with more money wins an election.

>> No.12476192

>>12476187
perhaps they're making a race of atomic supermen

>> No.12476193

>>12476175
>>12476188
You niggers are five years late. Great Power Competition has been the new hotness in Washington since 2017.

>> No.12476194

>>12476175
You mean *voters* are too inept to see the threat china represents. The political class in America follows what gets them votes.

>> No.12476198

>>12476194
>thinking voters ever mattered

>> No.12476204
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12476204

ELON NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.12476205
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OOF

>> No.12476209

>>12476204
i thought it was a racist meme, now it's transphobic? Do these people know any other words?

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12476210

>>12476198
I know it's cool to think nothing matters, but yes, votes are the only thing politicians care about.

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>>12476204
Elon is trans zerself, how dare they come after zer.

>> No.12476240

>>12476204
>wah this is transphobic
Yes.

>> No.12476241
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12476241

>>12476205
This is just sad

>> No.12476246

>>12475952
based retard

>> No.12476253

>>12476204
What was the meme?

>> No.12476255
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12476255

>>12476205

They should've done this stuff 6 years ago or more. This is beyond pathetic.

>> No.12476257

Guys

>> No.12476259

Girls

>> No.12476261

>>12476204
And the people who use pronouns seriously don't draw criticism?

>> No.12476262

>>12476257
Did you just assume.

>> No.12476264

>>12476257
Based
>>12476259
Cringe

>> No.12476267

>>12476253
Pretty sure he said that he supports trans people, but having everyone share their pronouns all the time gets ridiculous. So an extremely normal take for anyone in the real world, but something only a fascist transphobe would say on twitter.

>> No.12476269

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1339590482439991296
OH NO OH NO SPACEXSTANS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>> No.12476270

>>12476253
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1338365886542049282/photo/1

>> No.12476274

>>12476269
Elon is in on the NRO psyop, fucking screencap this in case ((they)) delete

>> No.12476278

>>12476269
you're 40 minutes late

>> No.12476280

>>12476278
'stan'-anon is a retard, so it's to be expected.

>> No.12476281

Zuma 2.0, for real

>> No.12476286

What the fuck is a "stan" now. Why the fuck are you fucking social media guzzling faggots unable to stop randomly redefining existing fucking words. Holy shit I mad.

>> No.12476288

>>12476280
uhhh there's more than two at least
t. stan anon who started the meme

>> No.12476293

>>12476286
it's from an Eminem song released in 2000 so it's more a boomer term than a zoomer term 2bh

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>>12476286

>> No.12476296

>>12476182
They don't care about BLM, just like US doesn't REALLY care about Chinese Muslims
they know blacks are troublemakers and if they can use them to add oil to fire, they don't hesitate

>> No.12476301

>>12476286
Anon attempting to force a meme, he keeps at it for reasons quite unknown despite not ever getting any laughs.

>> No.12476305

>>12476286
Hello zoomer :^)

>> No.12476308

Can you guys message me on skype if they end up launching? Making some mac n cheese, dunno when i'll be back on

>> No.12476312

>>12476301
So it's just a lonely autist? Now I feel a bit bad. He still should have invented some nonword instead.

>> No.12476313

>>12476301
>t. seething spacex stan

>> No.12476317

>>12475863
How much energy from the bomb they can direct towards the pusher plate (over 80%, likely), what the standoff distance between the charges and the plate needed to be (if you read Dyson's kid's book he actually leaves in enough clues to figure this one out). Just anything that would be useful to a country trying to figure out how to protect spaceships against casaba howitzers.

>> No.12476318

>>12476312
Eventually he'll get bored and stop like all the others

>> No.12476319
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12476319

>>12476286
>complaining about memes and subculture specific slang on 4chan

>> No.12476323

>>12476281
What happened to the original zuma though. Did it really fail?

>> No.12476328

>>12476319
My melanin-enriched kinsman, you do realize most of this shit comes straight from twatter and leddit today, right? And that the majority of that shit is so lame that it nearly manifests in tangible, physical pain? And that they vomit this shit in the general direction of the Internet at breakneck speeds?

>> No.12476330

>>12476318
Bruh he's been doing this for months

>> No.12476336

>>12475114
>She just has no friends, so she gets home from work at 3 and waits 7 or 8 hours for me to get home so she can speak to an adult. I'm sure that routine got old.
And her solution is to divorce the only person speaking to her? Quite the smart one.
>>12476209
Yes, "sexist", "straight", "white" and "male". The amount of attention we give to twitter freaks needs to decrease about 100%.

>>12476138
>>12476157
So we go from alligator to blue whale? Nice.

>>12476205
And they will have to do the test again in 5 years after another design change.

>> No.12476337

>Oh n-

>> No.12476338

SpaceX stans crawling out of the woodwork today! Where's your precious NRO launch? Oh yes , delayed to Q2 2021 :D

>> No.12476340

>"Will China share Lunar samples with NASA?"
>"No."
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1339486359795470336

The bugs are already carving up the Moon for themselves.

>> No.12476343

>>12476336
>And they will have to do the test again in 5 years after another design change.
What kind of design changes the concrete blocks will need in your opinion?

>> No.12476344

>>12476340
NASA doesn't share their lunar samples with China

>> No.12476348

>>12476343

They need to be a bit more round to truly simulate the roundness of SLS.

>> No.12476350

>>12476330
He's aware that nobody likes it/him so now it's a matter of punishing the general for not adopting his epic new may-may. It's just shitposting, simple as.

>> No.12476353

>>12476344
we gave a moon rock to panama!

>> No.12476355

>>12476343
More aerodynamic perhaps. How can they do a serious test without accounting for the effects of wind/drag? Somehow, I think NASA is not taking Artemis all that seriously.

>> No.12476358

>>12476350
stop misgendering her

>> No.12476363

>>12476353
>panama
https://youtu.be/fuKDBPw8wQA?t=10
PANAMA!

>> No.12476366

>>12476343
They'll have a year-long bidding process to determine the prime contractor of the Evolved Concrete Mass Simulator program. NASA will pick two bids, but a third that got left out will sue to get their proposal reconsidered. After six months of litigation, one of the bidders will receive a cost plus contract for initial design studies in order to determine the feasibility of NASA's request. After two to three years of preliminary design work, they should receive approval to begin construction of a pathfinder prototype mass simulator. While it will be identical to the actual mass simulator, this one will remain on hand for testing and validation of construction methods and handling procedures. Assuming no major flaws are discovered in the prototype, I'm quite confident that they'll be able to receive the go ahead to build the production-grade mass simulator within five years.

>> No.12476379

NASA crawler is on the move
https://youtu.be/3rrxhe3M3iA

>> No.12476384

>>12476353
Did they give us back our canal?

>> No.12476404

>>12476288
yep, i know there is at least two

>> No.12476408

>>12476366
>Assuming no major flaws are discovered in the prototype
Oh they will. And due to sunk costs, NASA will double down and the project will cost 12 times its original budget. And the first production-grade mass simulator will fail because someone at NASA confused lime (the mineral) and lime (the fruit).

>> No.12476422

the virgin nasa crawler vs the chad 18 wheeler

>> No.12476429

>>12476366
>just one contractor to not only handle cement and rebar supply, but also to manufacture final product
Wew.

>> No.12476433

>>12476422
>NASA crawler
>Spends weeks transporting nonreusable SLS across 2 miles

>THE CHAD 18 WHEELER
>Nonstop monthly deliveries across the US from SpaceX factory to Florida of reusable cheap F9 rockets

>> No.12476497

>>12476205
Why didn't they build a railway instead?

>> No.12476504 [DELETED] 

>>12476286
Dont you have a wife and kjd to drown?

>> No.12476511
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12476511

>TESS mission elapsed: 2 years
>confirmed planets found: 46

pathetic

how many planets can we except JWST to find?

>> No.12476521

>>12476511
I'd first like to know when to expect JWST to launch.

>> No.12476537

>>12476521
Halloween 2021, but that might slip again now that New Shepherd has been authorized.

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>>12476511
>2020
>none of that shit is green
>20 fucking 20

>> No.12476570

>>12476340
Where were you when the Space War began?

>> No.12476575

>>12476511
wtf tess was supposed to find thousands more than kepler. what fucking gives??

>> No.12476583

>>12476511
Just wait until the next surveying telescope. It'll be amazing when it finds its 25th exoplanet after two years

>> No.12476591

>>12474969
The perfect cuckbox.

>> No.12476610

>>12476511
JWST will not find many planets, it is not the sort of instrument suited for finding exoplanets. Maybe a few 10's with the NIRCam coronagraph, but these will be very far out.

>> No.12476620

>>12476511
we need that 5AU sun lens telescope to look at continents in the TRAPPIST system right fucking now

>> No.12476630

>>12476511
>tdlr: No.

Better star waiting for those SS launched private scopes or the phobos-deimos mega observatories.

>> No.12476636

I did't understand, now it comes the shield?

>> No.12476641

>>12476511
TESS's survey stagey means that most of the sky is only observed for one or two months, out of the 2 years. Because "confirmation" typically means 3 orbits, only the fastest orbiting planets will meet that criterion.

>> No.12476643

>>12476630
>inb4 private exploration would do all the discoveries too fast

>> No.12476645
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12476645

What would be some good places to potentially build a spaceport?

For some reason, the western part of the Hawaiian island of Kahoʻolawe, which is currently uninhabited but protected as a wildlife reserve. Only the western shore of the island would be used as a spaceport, leaving about 80% of the interior still usable to wildlife.

1/2

>> No.12476648

>>12476630
>phobos-deimos mega observatories
Explain.

>> No.12476649
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12476649

Location compared to the rest of Hawaii

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaho%CA%BBolawe

2/2

>> No.12476655

>>12476645
Rockets are loud and sometimes even explode so it won't be allowed.

>> No.12476656

>>12476648
Mega observatories built on the Martian moons, obviously.
Mega death lasers to vaporize intruders is optional but highly desirable.

>> No.12476657

>>12476645
The issue is logistics.

You need to be able to move equipment weighing hundreds of tons from where it was built (generally in an industrial park near a city) to the actual launchpad.

Hence why the US launches from Florida and the Russians launch from Kazakhstan. They aren't the closest to the equator, but they're good enough and it's physically easy to get stuff to and from them.

>> No.12476665

>>12476645
The local ugabugas will never allow it and good luck building a rocket factory there. Might as well go for Kilimanjaro.

>> No.12476667

>>12476657
obviously you just fly the starships and superheavies there

>> No.12476671

>>12474969
Why can't you just squish the hydrogen into a smaller tank?

>> No.12476676

>>12476671
hydrogen doesn't "squish"

>> No.12476677

>>12475766
>>12475776
That's exactly how it'll go.

>> No.12476679

>>12476667
Well if you have a spaceport you can launch from, why not just launch them from there instead of spending a couple billion dollars building a new facility?

>> No.12476682
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>>12476630
No need to wait for a miracle, ESA's Plato will be an efficient exoplanet machine.

>> No.12476683

>>12476676
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen

>> No.12476688

>>12476683
>just compress it to thousands of times earth pressure!

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12476690

>>12476665
Well it's a pretty small location so just depopulate it.

>> No.12476697

>>12476645
Hmmm. Assuming 4ASS was given a license by spacex to build a long landing strip at Boca, would stratolaunch have enough fuel to carry a dreamchaser to the equator, launch it, and return for a landing? Also would dreamchaser be able to reenter from the ISS and land at boca?

>> No.12476699

>>12476683
No

>> No.12476702

>>12475438
based

>> No.12476703
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12476703

How would you go about building a way to discover as many exoplanets in as much detail as possible?
Assume you have available what is likely to exist in 2030 and a budget of twenty billion dollars.

>> No.12476704
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>>12476645
Ascension Island. Close to the equator, British owned so they get to have a space comeback, and its name is appropriate

>> No.12476705

>>12476679
because there are efficiency gains from launching from Hawaii, so the cost of the single launch between the factory and Hawaii will eventually be offset by the efficiency gained from multiple Hawaiian launches

>> No.12476708

>>12476703
An orion nuclear ship with a JWST-style mirror except 20 times bigger. The thing would fire out of the plane of the solar system and yeet itself outta here for optimal viewing

>> No.12476709

>>12476645

I don't see much rocket building infrastructure on that island so I assume you're shipping your rockets across thousands of kilometers of open ocean. Please don't ever be in charge of anything

>> No.12476711

>>12476703
I wouldn't spend 20b on that.
Our primary goal should be establishing bases on the moon and mars.
Also, a telescope on the surface of the moon is probably a good idea.

>> No.12476713

>>12476709
If it works for ESA...

>> No.12476715

>>12474978
>Musk: Says something logical
>Internet: omg what an asshole you can't just have an opinion on the internet

>> No.12476718

>>12476705
It's only like a couple hundred extra meters per second of Delta V, isn't it?

In general you want to be autistic as fuck about hanging on to extra Delta V, but I think that's a bit too far.

>> No.12476722

>>12475301
It's a couple of seething trannies; not indicitive of the left as a whole.
There are people on the far right that hate him for being an immigrant, pushing for sustainable energy, and taking muh coal jobs.

>> No.12476726

>>12476645
>launching from islands
>not just putting a platform right on the equator in international waters and barging a constant stream of starships to it

>> No.12476728
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12476728

Discussing the plans to nuke Chyna aboard the International Space Discotheque, 2020, colorized

>> No.12476729

>>12475361
>70% chance you land in the ocean and drown
>29% chance you land in some shitty desert or jungle
>.9% chance you land near a city but in a foreign country where they don't speak English and you get robbed and raped
>.1% chance of landing anywhere good

>> No.12476733

>>12475447
Gotta appease the normies

>> No.12476736

>>12475031
Doesn't sound like a good excus
>>12475351
Once the starship revolution kicks and it's insanely cheap to do so, someone should launch a crash dummy in this

>> No.12476743

>>12476728
this is fake

>> No.12476750

>>12476718
As long as reuse starts hitting mid to high double digits I think the saving could be substantial. Of course, I'd have to do the math and it also doesn't take into account the cost of building and maintaining a Hawaiian spaceport, but I don't think it's outrageous.

>> No.12476759

>>12476729
The Russians used to miss their targets and touch down in Siberia all the time. It could be days stuck in the frozen tundra before anyone reached them.

They started putting .22s in the landing capsules so that the astronauts could hunt small game and fend off wolves while they were waiting to get picked up.

>> No.12476760

>>12476703
Turn the largest accessible crater among the least bombarded by meteorites in the system into a giant telescope. We'd probably need at least a skeleton crew from time to time for maintenance anyway so bases indeed come first.

>> No.12476769

>>12476726
This sounds like the solution honestly

>mount the payload and do all of the maintenance shit in a facility on the coast somewhere in southern California, Texas, or Florida
>load onto the barge
>launch and land right onto the barge

the only issue is hurricane season or tropical weather on the way to the equator.

>> No.12476785

>>12476703
Use orbital assembly to build a comically large telescope in a Lagrange point. Build the frame as a skeleton made out of steel for maximum cheap points and just put the skeleton together like Ikea furniture.

Use a reaction control system to gently spin it around looking at any nearby star systems and waiting for plantary eclipses. Stream the data to a supercomputer somewhere on earth and have a self learning algorithm pore through the raw data for exoplanets.

Hopefully by 2030 it will be possible to use the raw data to determine atmospheric composition and temperature, and use that to look for life.

Basically what we've already been doing, but on a much larger scale because launch costs and computing power will be way cheaper.

>> No.12476793
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that's a lot of isp

>> No.12476802

>>12476793
USS We Gotta Get Outta Here Scoobs

>> No.12476807

>>12476802
Initiate Project 'ZOINKS'

>> No.12476808

>>12476802
>Earth’s first exploration vessel meant for visiting other stars
>All the fags want to call it Enterprise
>Instead we call it the Mystery Machine

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>>12476793

>> No.12476811

>>12476802
>spooky
>spookier
>SPOOK-TACULAR

>> No.12476812
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12476812

>>12476808
>okay, gang, let's split up and search for clues

>> No.12476815

>>12476793
is it higher than a fission reactor attached to some hall effect thrusters?

>> No.12476823

>>12476812
>I wonder who is behind this mask
>SENATOR SHELBY?!

>> No.12476824

>>12476728
>>12476743
it's real https://twitter.com/SpaceForceDoD/status/1339568833925967872

>> No.12476828

>>12476793
yeah

>> No.12476837

>>12476697
Good question, no clue though. Wouldn’t stratolaunch carry a shitload of fuel? You would need enough to get to the equator and back, so it’s dependent on its maximum range. Also if the shuttle could land at cape canaveral i’m sure a dreamchaser could land in boca

>> No.12476844

>>12476837
there's no runway at Boca

>> No.12476854

>>12476844
The assumption is: what if a giant runway was built as part of the Boca Chica astrodrome. Could stratolaunch get things to the ISS?

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>>12476823
>I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
>And that dog too!

>> No.12476876

>>12476863
lmao

>> No.12476885
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12476885

Seems like we got another leany boi.

>> No.12476897

>>12475647
Because it's fun. The general international reaction to the monster SRBs on the shuttle can be summarized as "terrified autistic screeching." Imagine if we'd made Ares I work.

>> No.12476919
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>>12476648

>> No.12476926

>>12476793
in theory, if you had a Starship with 100,000 isp could you go anywhere in the solar system?

>> No.12476929

>>12476812
they were clearly just testing out Orion propulsion.

>> No.12476930

>>12476919

Why did they even build those guns? Was there some hellportal location they know about in outer solar system or what were they expecting?

>> No.12476935

>>12476815
By like 50x yeah. Medusa is throwing fission BOMBS at a sail in front of your ship and getting hauled along at fuck-you velocities.

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>>12476885
spooky boi

>> No.12476943

>>12476810
I’d rather ride on Orion. At least you can put a decent amount of shielding between you and those neutrons with that pusher plate.

>> No.12476946

>>12476940
Geez, that’s quite the lean. Didn’t they have a similar issue with another booster a few weeks ago?

>> No.12476949

>>12476943
That diagram isn't to scale. The tether is over a kilometer long in most designs, so you only need a very small mass shield compared to Orion.

>> No.12476951

>>12476930
>Why did they even build those guns?
Because it's DOOM and it looks really fucking cool.

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>>12476946
the legs have a modular crush core system that's designed to, well, crush in order to absorb impacts. So it's not an "issue", but rather a deliberate part of the design. Though it's a legitimate question to ask why they're activating. Landings too rough? Seas too rough for the barge to handle?

Same idea in SN5 and SN6's legs. The holes drilled into the legs will give way and absorb energy if needed.

>> No.12476973

>>12475766
>2030s and SpaceX has several hundred to a few thousand people on mars
This is your brain on popsci.
>>12476319
Retard.

>> No.12476987

>>12476973
>I'm on a meme website created by dumb teenagers
>better complain about the memes that dumb teenagers are using now

Kinda gay desu. Like a boomer who thinks that the Rolling Stones are the best band ever and doesn't understand why his kids are listening to Nirvana.

It just shows that you lack self awareness and you aren't willing to accept change.

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12476993

KSP Bros
Steam is trying to update.
I stopped the download but cannot play from there. Questions:
>Has the download messed with my files, or is it downloading to a temp cache? Can I still launch it from exe?
>Is this update mod-safe?
>Does the beta selector in Steam launch the exact version as the non-beta?

>> No.12477001

>>12475547
yes

>> No.12477013

>>12475766
I can imagine a permanent mars colony by the 2030s but I doubt its going to be anywhere near 100s of thousands of people, even if everything goes well for SpaceX in the next few years.

>>12476293
Pretty much, "stan" is normalfaggotry not zoomerfaggotry

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>>12476959
I don’t want to speak for everybody, but I think we’ve grown too accustomed to just how fucking hard it is to land a falcon 9. I mean damn I don’t even watch every launch these days. But the fact that the falcon can even land at all is a masterpiece of engineering and programming.
https://youtu.be/hi03MeERTeI?t=2238

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12477022

This image is a great example of what happens with leaning Falcon 9s. The legs in front crushed more than the ones in back, so the entire thing is leaning to the point that the legs in back aren't even touching the ground.

>> No.12477027

>>12476987
>Like a boomer who thinks that the Rolling Stones are the best band ever and doesn't understand why his kids are listening to Nirvana.
The first things you thought of were these fucking ancient bands? Self-hating boomer confirmed.

>> No.12477028

I just realized the only downside to the Starship, it makes a Brilliant Pebbles system not only feasible, but cheap and practical. If so this could massively destabilize the long peace, there could be a lag window of a decade or so between Starship going online and hypersonic strategic nuclear weapons going online that could allow for a totally successful first strike.

>> No.12477043

>>12477022
I’m surprised they didn’t go with F9 landing legs for the prototypes. I guess the “official” ones will be much closer in design to the crush-core ones

>> No.12477049

>>12477043
Because F9 landing legs are expensive as fuck and they don't want expensive as fuck on shit more likely than not to blow up.

>> No.12477058

>>12476793
with the 90% enrichment orion drive I think you get even higher ISP, might be wrong though

>> No.12477061

>>12476973
>2030s and SpaceX has several hundred to a few thousand people on mars
This is your brain on popsci.
Theoretically if they are able to lower the launch costs to below 50$ a kilogram, why not?

>> No.12477064

>>12477049
What makes them expensive? They could build some on-site with the same schematics but with cheaper material like steel. Or is the design intrinsically expensive

>> No.12477065

>>12477058
You also get every government on Earth throwing a tantrum if you try to build the thing.

>> No.12477067

>>12477013
I didn't say 100s of thousands of people, I said a few hundred to low thousands

>> No.12477070

>>12477028
>implying Starlink isn't already Brilliant Pebbles
>implying the US doesn't already have hypersonic missiles

>> No.12477071

>>12477064
>jUsT bUiLd sOmE cHeApEr oUt oF sTeEl!
That would weigh tons and tons. Brilliant.

>> No.12477072

>>12477015
I like how this video shows just how thin the fuel margins are: https://youtu.be/1BYi2_8cBvw

>> No.12477073

>>12477058
>>12477065
What if you had 100% enrichment and a near infinite supply? How far could you realistically get in one human lifetime

>> No.12477081

>>12477073
Any ship with 1g acceleration and infinite propellant can get arbitrarily close to lightspeed with a year of acceleration, so literally anywhere that isn't inside an event horizon or beyond the window where space is expanding >c.

>> No.12477085

>>12477065
Thats why it probably won't be built for a couple hundred years at least.

>> No.12477087

>>12477072
Hoooooly shit hahah it starts sucking the fuel as soon as the engines ignite.

>> No.12477097

>>12477081
That’s amazing. Are we even technically capable of building an orion ship? I wonder if the old schematics were made just for fun, or if they were serious ideas that could be built with a saturn rocket

>> No.12477103

>>12477097
Orion can lift itself from Earth. That's actually what it's best at since nuclear detonations are WAY more powerful in atmosphere.

>> No.12477108

Falcon 9 in port now

>> No.12477114

>>12477070
Yeah, but what matters is do the Chinese have them and are they capable of carrying nuclear weapons? IF they don't then we could have a short window of time to make a play at China. Also Starlink would be an amazing cover for a Brilliant Pebbles system in a James Bond movie.

>> No.12477122

uhhh Falcon 9 looks like it's gonna fall off of the barge

>> No.12477126

>>12477103
Interesting. I also found this a few weeks ago and I think about it often
https://youtu.be/DSK_mymJvkM

>> No.12477128

>>12477027
Tbh I used those as the example because I actually do think that zoomer music is terrible.

>> No.12477130

>>12477114
>Yeah, but what matters is do the Chinese have them
My bet is no. The Russians claim to, but the Russians aren't the threat. The general existence of the ISS is proof of that.

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>>12477122
!

>> No.12477132

>>12476511
>The first light image from TESS was taken on August 7, 2018
>Over the course of the two-year primary mission, TESS is expected to ultimately detect about 1250 transiting exoplanets orbiting the targeted stars, and an additional 13,000 transiting planets orbiting additional stars in the fields that TESS observed.
>As of 10 May 2020, TESS has identified 1835 candidate exoplanets, of which 46 have been confirmed so far.
OHNONONONO

>> No.12477133
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Starship? More like smolship.

>> No.12477134

>>12476919
Doom eternal had some really kino scenes, god damn

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>>12477108
octograbber putting in work

>> No.12477140

>>12477131
>>12477135
wtf, spacex is getting sloppy
Has a Falcon ever leaned this much?

>> No.12477141

>>12477133
thing I can see engine bell outlines

>> No.12477143

>>12477131
can't they just partially retract the other legs to even it out? Or is there a hard lock on the fully extended state?

>> No.12477146

>>12477140
yeah. Not long ago.

>> No.12477148

>>12477013
nigger

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One test I would very much love to see for Starship is an All Weather Test.
The main weakness of Falcon 9 is that it requires perfect weather to launch since the rocket is so damn skinny.
If Elon truly wants Starship to launch as often as he envisions defeating the weather is a major hurdle.
I would love to see deliberate launches of Starship and Super Heavy prototypes in terrible weather to see what the true limits of this rocket are.
Simulations are good but actual tests will always be better.
Elon you must crash many prototypes that cost millions of dollars for the good of humanity.

>> No.12477150

>>12477146
It looks like more than the usual lean to me, though maybe it's just the angle

>> No.12477151

>>12476240
maybe reality is transphobic

>> No.12477155

>>12476511
I honestly believe that spaceflight as a whole was intentionally being reduced as part of a long term scheme to get more funds for less work

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>DON'T THINK I WON'T JUMP

>> No.12477158

>>12477149
He should launch one during a Cat-1 hurricane next year with a full prop load and a mass simulator payload to see if it can still reach orbit.

>> No.12477159

>>12477132
it's fucking embarrassing, what the fuck

>> No.12477165

>>12477133
Damn, that's pretty sick. Raptor scars

>> No.12477166

That leg is like 3 feet off of the pad

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I'd like to know more about octograbber

>> No.12477170

>>12477166
it's fucking embarrassing

>> No.12477172

>>12477130
Yeah, and if theres a lag time between when the Chinese actually get them and when we could practically throw up a Brilliant Pebbles system that would open up a one time only window to take a swipe at China without their nuclear deterrents.

In that we could smash up their navy, ports/dockyards, airforce, launch complexes, and other critical war making pieces of infrastructure. They would rebuild them, but if we can keep pushing back the time when they reach their maximum potential it gives us more time to build up, pull in more immigrants, and in general reduce the economic gap when the Chinese do it hit the ceiling of their easy growth.

>> No.12477176

>>12477133
After they patch the concrete they should repaint the impact rings with a big red X through it.

>> No.12477187

>>12476511
>even bothering with colonizing and terraforming planets
>not build shellworlds to precise detail

>>12476204
yes it is transphobic, but elon doesn't go far enough.

>> No.12477190

>European nations want to build a 6 billion-euro ($7.3 billion) alternative to Elon Musk’s Starlink network so the region isn’t left behind in the race to develop satellite broadband.

>> No.12477196

>>12477065
Well what are they gonna do? Put Sanctions on USA or cry to UN?

>> No.12477200

>>12477149
calm the fuckdown the thing hasnt even launched once, and even if it can only launch in precise conditions that only happen in one place on the earth it would still be a god damn fucking revolution so tamper your expecttions a bit you shit, its not liek youre doing any of the work on this project or any other for that matter

>> No.12477207

so what does the USSF do?

>> No.12477209

>>12477207
ride space force horses around vandy

>> No.12477210

>>12477207
It operates a bunch of military satellites

>> No.12477212

>>12477207
Whatever the fuck they want.

Right now it's just a 1:1 transfer of USAF spacecom stuff to USSF, but they're already planning an unmanned patrol system for cislunar space.

>> No.12477215

>>12477207
LARP as starfleet

>> No.12477218

>>12477212
>unmanned patrol system for cislunar space.
Oh thats pretty fucking cool
I'm waiting until they start training astronauts

>> No.12477219

>>12476919
Did they move one of Mars' moons super close?

>> No.12477223

>>12477207
Still in the process of transitioning projects from other departments, but once they do that they'll... run those projects

>> No.12477230

>>12477207
to enforce speed limit laws on the moon

>> No.12477231

>>12477215
Hahah

>> No.12477234

>>12477133
someone shoop Yamcha in the middle

>> No.12477235

>>12477218
By then SNC might actually have crewed Dream Chaser around.

>> No.12477240

>>12477215
*space marines

>> No.12477244

>>12477196
station nukes in cuba

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>>12477247
>propellant is stored in the balls

>> No.12477252

>>12477244
Im pretty sure the upcoming administration would get us nuked. Also what is the modern version of the Jupiter ICBM’s from the cold war era?

>> No.12477253

>>12477247
Starhopper Mk.II?

>> No.12477254

>>12477169
he grab

>> No.12477255

>>12477247
>The Dome... home.

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>>12477247
I can't be the only one

>> No.12477262

>>12475475
That happens when your nation is made by two billion people.

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>>12477247
Sorry, what?

>> No.12477272

>>12476204
>Someone has an Incorrect Thought
>Make up a new term like "transphobic" to censor them

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SpaceX stans BTFO
ULA Chads rise up!

>> No.12477276

>>12477267
his pp is the strut oooohmigosh

>> No.12477280

>>12477252
there's no modern verson, jupiter missiles were liquid fueled = shit, scrapped that technology completely for military purposes

>> No.12477283
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>>12477234
Here you go anon

>> No.12477285

>>12477273
Tory also confirmed Vulcan WILL fly Q4 2021!! It's happening fellow chad :D

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>>12477169
Octagrabber is a pretty cool guy. eh grabs Octawebs and doesn't afraid of anything.

>> No.12477292

>>12477273
Starship: our interplanetary ship done in record time with almost no money is gonna be even cheaper than expected and revolutionize forever all spaceflight, everything thats planned on being built for the next 50 years for getting into LEO will be instantly turned obsolete, we are the undisputed masters.

BO(trying to cope) : yeah? well.. our extremely overbudget and overscheduled engine, which is the only part that works of our extremely overbudget and overscheduled rocket which (if it works just as planned it will take 10 years and billions of dolalrs and still deliver something thats considerably infeiror to starship), has been delivered to a company that will use them for a rocket thats already ifnerior to falcon 9 but will be, like everything else 12839012389012 times worse than starship by any metric, so... HA!

>> No.12477294

>>12477207
>Union of Soviet Socialist Faggots

>> No.12477296

>>12477143
it's probably not safe to be fiddling around the base
they'd rather lose a rocket than deal with an accident involving people. more headache in the long run

>> No.12477300

>>12477283
Thank you this is perfect

>> No.12477303

>>12477292
Bezos is more based than I thought

>> No.12477304

>>12477300
No problem, I haven't used PS in ages so it was fun to stretch my legs

>> No.12477337

>>12477267
professional counter-weight

>> No.12477345

>>12477267
how is this even allowed? tell him to get down from there

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Does Aмepикын seriously consider this a success?

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>>12477133
reminds me of this

>> No.12477356

>>12477352
>haha, elon senpai, that's a pretty big spot I left on your landing pad

>> No.12477358

>>12477337
>uuuugh we've been at it for 2 hours and the balance is still a bit off
>hey Jack, go and try sitting there... Yeah, perfect
>let's move out boys

>> No.12477360

>>12477352
>No marks from meaty beef curtains

>> No.12477362

>>12477352
That skirt wouldn't even cover her ass completely. Certainly not within school dress code regulations

>> No.12477371

>>12477352
lmfao i wanna fuck that little school girl awwoooooga

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>>12477273
meanwhile the raptor engine, which is far more advanced and has been in development for less time, has been flying for about half a year

>> No.12477375

>>12477352
Where is the propellant storage?

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>>12477373
What went wrong?

>> No.12477381

>>12477373
Vulcan will fly to orbit long before Starship

>> No.12477382

>>12477345
Bob does what he pleases. No one can stop him.

>> No.12477388

>>12477381
4ASS could contract someone to build an engine we design and get a payload to orbit before a BE-4 ever flies

>> No.12477390

>>12477388
keep dreaming, frog

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>>12477273
I do wonder what the final specs will look like. By the way the BE-4 was developed by both ULA and BO, right? It will be embarrassing if it ends up being anything but incredible in that case.

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>>12477273
>Elon is balls deep into Grimes and searching twitter
>Sees this post
>Huh, guess we should do some more Falcon Heavy launches to undercut oldspace more
>Calls Shotwell and makes the arrangements
>Vulcan is BTFO again by Elon and he didn't even have to pull out

>> No.12477402

>>12477390
I will design the Combustion, Open-Cycle Variant engine and have it launched. COV-F3F3 for short.

>> No.12477409

>>12477397
yeah, elon is about to get butt blasted

>> No.12477415

>>12477401
>Makes so much profit from reused F9's that Elon offers FH at the price of a basic F9

>> No.12477422
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>>12477397
the "super raptors" on the outer ring of the Super Heavy are supposed to be straight-up more powerful than the BE-4

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>>12475533
Okay, since apparently nobody remembers or has ever heard of this before, and it has a lot of /sfg/-relevant jokes, I have screen-shotted its ten chapters and I will drop two per day.

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>>12477422
he's also said a peak of 380 ISP

>> No.12477427

>>12477409
hwo in the fuck? because of an engine thats more expensive, more complex and hass less isp and less TWR? oh oh and its meant for a fucking DISPOSABLE rocket which has years of development ahead and it might MIGHT end up on new shephard or whatever a iece of shit taht if all works and adds another 20 years of development on top of the 10 it already had it will absolutely 100% be more expensive than starship and more complex


when starship is about to be the absolute best rocket by every metric and revolutionize space by eventually making it cheaper to go to space than taking a business class jet

liek yeah
unironically any prais to musk is ok, any critic is unvalid

>> No.12477429

>>12477422
why is f-1 reusability 100%? didn't one of them fail in one of their missions?

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>>12477424

>> No.12477434

>>12477424
Wait what the fuck? Is this a real thing or a fucking fanfic

>> No.12477435
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12477435

closures!

>> No.12477436

>>12477427
this is your brain on tesla stock

>> No.12477438
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>>12477429
nope. F1 has a perfect record

>> No.12477442

>>12477435
Looks like new years fireworks are back on the menu boys

>> No.12477443

>>12477375
The breasts.

>> No.12477449

>>12477435
oof, not a good look

>> No.12477455
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>>12477435
Is it Snine time?

>> No.12477458

>>12477438
i was thinking of the J-2 in the second stages

>> No.12477459

>>12477379
They embraced the pork.

>> No.12477462

>>12477442
>>12477455
This is 100% for moving SN9 to the pad, not even pressure tests.

>> No.12477467

>>12477462
BO shill spotted, everyone get rid of this troll

>> No.12477468

>>12477434
Probably some sort of fanfic. I found it on someone's Google space. I apparently decided it was fun enough to save, but it was so long ago (May 2017) that I asked first if anyone else knew.

>> No.12477469

>>12477429
you're thinking of the J-2

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>>12477352
Wasn't there a futa version

>> No.12477476

>>12477432
>>12477424
I love it

>> No.12477479

>>12477462
There are three days set aside probably for that, then a few days gap, then another 3 days. What do you think the second closure is for?

>> No.12477483

>>12477469
>>12477458

>> No.12477484

>>12477352
I would lick the table :)

>> No.12477489

>>12477435
What are they planning? Another pressure test? Another static fire?

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>>12476940

>> No.12477498
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12477498

why do hydrolox engines have such unremarkable isp at sea level? Pic related is the J-2

>> No.12477499

>>12477479
SpaceX always does this, schedule three closures for one day of work, because they aren't sure on their exact timeline. They'll still continue the work, but they won't need the roads closes all three days

>> No.12477500

>>12477435
this is just for moving sn9. tb honest these dates will all be cancelled by next week, sad to say.

>> No.12477507

>>12477498
No fucking thrust also monster tankage.

>> No.12477508

>>12477507
ah, so ISP takes that all into account?

>> No.12477512

>>12477499
Okay, so that means the 6 days announced of closures amount to two distinct operations, no? SO probably the first is moving and then...let's see a static fire yeah?

>> No.12477514

>>12477283
top lel

>> No.12477516

>>12477508
It's an upper stage engine meaning it's got a nozzle not optimized for sea level as well. Of course you can optimize better for sea level than that with hydrolox, but Isp is really not more than a "mileage" indicator.

>> No.12477518

>>12477512
I'd guess pressure test, especially after the tip

>> No.12477520

>>12477471
More like a not very well made balls version.

>> No.12477522

>>12477500
>tb honest
hello r*ddit

>> No.12477541

>>12477352
>SN8-chan sprawled out on the pad with pieces of 'clothes' shredded
>next panel just the ass print
draw anon, get on it!

>> No.12477548

>>12477379
turbopump issues

>> No.12477554

>>12477429
I could've sworn they had an early F-1 shutdown on Apollo 4 or 6 due to pogo oscillations, but it looks like that wasn't the case. They had some issues with the J-2s of 6's S-II due to the pogo on the S-IC, but the F-1s ran fine, apparently.

>> No.12477558

>>12477455
Snine's fine and sine

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>>12477541
This is getting incredibly lewd.

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christmas raptor

>> No.12477634

>>12477267
>*record scratch*
>So you're probably wondering how I got myself into this mess

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>> No.12477644

>>12477624
Cute!

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>> No.12477657

>>12476993
the beta selector works fine

>> No.12477670
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why do the BE-4 and Raptor have such different looking plumes? Raptor consistently looks purple while BE-4 is far more orange/yellow. Sometimes blue

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>>12477670
BE-4

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>>12477683

>> No.12477696

>>12477683
Raptor is FFSC, BE-4 is ORSC. Raptor is the best possible clean burn with methalox.

>> No.12477707

Stabilizing F9 stage from the droneship
https://youtu.be/gnt2wZBg89g

>> No.12477712

>>12477498
J-2 was overexpanded and didn't have a very high chamber pressure

>> No.12477718

>>12477670
I believe it's down to how efficient they're burning their propellant.

>> No.12477763

>>12477712
does an engine with low chamber pressure take a greater performance hit at sea level than a high pressure engine would? Because come to think of it the exhaust does have to "compete" with the native atmosphere.

>> No.12477766

>>12477763
yes

>> No.12477786

>>12477766
It's actually a miracle the F-1 worked at all with only 70:1.

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>>12477786
Engineering from the 40s to the 70s was insane. Golden age of doing crazy shit simply because we could.

>> No.12477813

>>12477803
It helped that America actually still had real industry, during WW2 we were making a B024 every 63 minutes.

>> No.12477817

>>12477283
Nice.

>> No.12477820

>>12477169
Tell me about grabber. Why does he grab the rocket

>> No.12477826

>>12477624
The most expensive Christmas tree in the world.

>> No.12477830

>>12477693
Imagine the smell.

>> No.12477831

>>12477820
To keep the rocket from going all slidey

>> No.12477836

>>12477813
i thought only things like cellphones and maybe jackets was outsourced to asia, but surely things like cars and airplane are still there

but now that you mention it, why does every video showing an american factory tends to be a huge warehouse filled with of kind looking fat rednecks with huge moustache, talking about all of the convoluted steps they do by hand like if it were the fucking early XX century and always calmed and not in a hurry, refering to it like if it were his fucking hobby and not something he does for a living. I mean its clear americans enjoy to build stuff by directly using their tools but id figure if theres money in between youd favour more efficient and modern methods.

>> No.12477838

>>12477803
>>12477813
We can still do it today, if we need to. But there's no real need. Everyone has gotten too used to safety culture that they've taken to spending 1000x more doing R/D theorycrafting than actually building out and testing it on the field.

>> No.12477839

>>12477803
I wish we had reactionless drives. So long as the fuselage is a pressure vessel (and has some radiation protection) you could just take something like this up to orbit like a drive in a car

>> No.12477848

>>12477820
because stupid slutty rocket comes straight at it, from 300 km in space, to th ONLY PLACE IN THE WHOLE FUCKING OCEAN were his huge rear grabbing hand is pointing at the sky acting all slutty and backing straight into him with her prominent 9-engined rear just sticking out like a drunk hobo at the opera...
well yeah bitch you do that you gonna get your rear grabbed, only way them sluts gonna learn

>> No.12477849

>>12477836
Unions

>> No.12477854

>>12477838
>We can still do it today, if we need to.
that's true of almost anything by almost anyone. The real question is HAVE you done it ARE YOU doing it?

>> No.12477857

>>12477839
>I wish we had reactionless drives.
Go bug DARPA to give memey mike more funding.

>> No.12477859

>>12477831
>>12477848
A lot of loyalty for a hired poster

>> No.12477862

>>12477836
China still hasn't taken over global auto markets because their cars are shit.

Same deal is going to apply for rockets. They can compete if the objective is to do something that everyone already knows how to do, and do it cheaply.

They can't compete if the objective is something that's constantly advancing and the only way to stay relevant is to keep innovating.

>> No.12477867

>>12477766
thanks. So that explain the huge ISP variance in low-pressure hydrolox engines. I had wondered about that for a while

>> No.12477869

>>12477836
>>12477838
A lot of things had been outsourced to Asia, even Iraq war had to be put on hold because we were still waiting for some components in our military hardware to be made in Korea before we could invade. You'd be surprised how many industries this applies too, my mother has a PhD in Biochemistry and worked in the Pharmaceutical industry from 90s until the early 2010s when most American companies had just became equity firms.

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>>12477648
Never forget

>> No.12477872

>>12477862
china will be the fucking nail in the coffing, america auto industry is being utterly destroyed in a gangbang that was started by the japanese but was then joined by the germans and even french.

Seriously tough, americans lost the auto race, they will forever be seen at the losers of that fight, all they can hope for is for elon musk to unlock the "FEASIBLE ELECTRICAL CARS" tech tree node so that the world advacnes ("civilization style") into a new era and see if they can win at that new competition, but in that regards, for now yhey are objectively forever losers

>> No.12477873

>>12477670
Raptor is substantially more efficient, hard to tell just how much more since B-O is fucking cagey about actually publishing any details of their engines.
Makes me think it's performance is pretty shit, maybe 300-320, barely more than a LOX/Kerosene rocket.

>> No.12477874

>>12477869
>even Iraq war had to be put on hold because we were still waiting for some components in our military hardware to be made in Korea
i find that hard to believe, i would expect the us military to have in house manufacturing of 150% everything they need, seems madness to do any less

>> No.12477881

>>12477838
>that they've taken to spending 1000x more doing R/D theorycrafting than actually building out and testing it on the field.
this is a large reason why spacex spanks oldspace so hard

>> No.12477897

>>12477872
> all they can hope for is for elon musk to unlock the "FEASIBLE ELECTRICAL CARS"
Even then this is a long shot. Tesla being more of a Technology company than a car manufacturer, is not going to break into Chinese or Euro markets, and its ultimate fate is likely to be a luxury brand limited to the United States.
>>12477874
No really. There were some electronic components that had to be made overseas.

>> No.12477912

>>12477874
Trump ran on bitching about things like this in 2016.

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>>12477859

>> No.12477920

>>12477872
>america auto industry is being utterly destroyed in a gangbang that was started by the japanese but was then joined by the germans and even french
Not really. The worst years were back when cheaper Japanese autos were being introduced into the American market for the first time, destroying the American firms' profits. Japanese cars still make up a huge component of the American vehicle market, but a decent portion of those are built in American factories. Meanwhile, German cars more or less exclusively compete in the low-end luxury sector and above, while French brands are effectively nonexistent in America.

>> No.12477921

>>12474983

God she's such a slut, just look at that

>> No.12477926

>>12474983
Slavs don't have falevas, they have Krushchobas

>> No.12477929

>>12474983
Reminder that Taco Bell promised everyone on Earth a free taco if this thing hit the target they put out in the ocean for it.
(it missed but not by much)

>> No.12477931

>>12477870
that's great, is there a version on youtube?

>> No.12477935

>>12477929
Free baja blast if Starship reaches the Moon before National Team

>> No.12477941

>>12477870
Honestly this is really no different than the apollo program happening during the civil rights chimpouts. Just nigs nigging as usual.

>> No.12477944

>>12477935
>teleports behind your moonbase
https://youtu.be/456dH4JUi3o

>> No.12477955

>>12477912
did he fix any? objective undeniable fact, peer revied science paper that shows the army now manufactures something it didnt please ( no asshurty cause trumpy got his ass destroyed and is now an objective loser in a world divided between winners and losers hes a loser and youre too if you support him) ?? hhmm?

>> No.12477956

>>12477929
>it missed but not by much
The target was barely off the coast of Australia, and Mir's debris landed between New Zealand and Chile.

>> No.12477970

>>12477920
>while French brands are effectively nonexistent in America.
yeah but they cucked you outside of the world market, like seriously, are all americans such stupid pathetic losers?

>american idea of winning:
wew, after doing my best effort i managed to retain a small percentage of the market inside my own country and lost everywhere else. Also, within that small percentage that it retained most of those factories are actually not owned by americans and the profits go elsewhere.

>true human being (non american) concept of wining:
i totally dominate my own market (like any coutnry thats not ashamed to exist yshould)and i must labour to own a part of the world market, how much of the world is mine? 50%? 80%? feeels good to be the superior cock rapist master of the universe, i wish these american women stopped asking for me to impregnate them, i can only do 10 a day, but it seems their husbands must exude disgusting loser juice that repels them

>> No.12477971

>>12477955
He got TSMC to build a 5nm fab in Arizona which should solve basically the root of the problem - electronics.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/tech/tsmc-arizona-chip-factory-intl-hnk/index.html

>> No.12477998

>>12477970
The fuck are you talking about? The United States is the second largest manufacturing exporter in the world. America isn't the only country with significant heavy industry like it was in the 50s (which makes sense as they're no longer the only industrialized state without bombed-out factories) but the US is doing just fine when it comes to manufacturing.

>> No.12478000

>>12477931
No, I made it back then.

>> No.12478009

>>12477970
t. Seething frenchman

>> No.12478015
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12478015

Went through Musk's twitter. So here's some trivia.
Russians got SpaceX to ditch hydrolox in favor of methalox. Thank god.

>> No.12478018

>>12477998
not according to these americans:
>>12477912
>>12477897
whats the matter, trouble in paradise americansky?

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stainless steel > carbon fiber. Cost is also something like 60x less.

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2 to 4 more raptors for E2E. I assume he means 6 + 2-4.

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>> No.12478027

>>12478015
as i stated earlier in another thread, if you could start an R&D project solely with the knowledge that its possible, merely that, that what you want to do can be done, that would accelerator of rate of inprmprovement fasty at 1000x.

and that was for a engine that they didnt have the plans of

imagine the starship that everyone will know 100% it works, have access to 1000 open source photos of every ocmponent+ what spsies can get (more than anything prolly) and you got starship clones blossoming all over the side of the country world at each year after launch provendnes

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Sounds like Tom never really worked on Raptor

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>>12478015
>Methalox
>Good ISP, efficient
Is he being deliberately retarded??? Hydrogen makes the most sense, its extremely efficient and abundant
Methane makes no sense when the SSME demonstrated it's superiority back in the 80s

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12478045

"R-Boost" raptor should beat even the Merlin in T/W

>> No.12478047

>>12478037
Begone hydrolox shill

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12478049

sounds like he plans on raptors being more powerful than the larger BE-4. Though I imagine that the BE-4 will also improve some

>> No.12478050

>>12478037
go home anon, your head is filled with hydrogen but there's actually very little mass

>> No.12478053

>>12478037
Nice dry mass, faggot.

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>>12478037

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12478062

max and min raptor thrust as of august

>> No.12478064

>>12478037
Hydrogen is more efficient than methane, but methane's storage density more than makes up for it.

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>>12478049
R-Boost variant is going to shit on the BE-4

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oh yeah and they fixed that 600hz problem a while ago it seems

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does CH4 have inherently good combustion efficiency or is he referring to FFSC making it easier?

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back when he was still on traspiration cooling

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>> No.12478132

>>12478091
Both, CH4 is simpler and thus burns inherently cleaner than RP1, and FFSC further allows you to burn off even more impurities, the same is true for HydroLOX, but LOX/CH4 gets you much better TWR and propellant density and lower dry weight, thus higher effective real world dV.

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>>12478110
mostly launch from these things in the future

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starship cheaper to build that F9, potentially.

>> No.12478143

>>12478064
>burning fossil shit in the middle of the climatic emergency
Bidin please shut this down. H2O is clean.

>> No.12478149

>>12478091

RP-1 is basicaly purified Kerosene and is a liquid at room temperature. Methane is a gas at room temperature and thus by default, can mix a lot easier with Oxygen and can burn much more efficiently. By contrast, you have to aerosolize RP-1 to be able to mix with the Oxygen.

>> No.12478151

>>12478037
Hydrogen’s High ISP is a trap, at least for a first stage. Higher tank dry weight and really bad density make it way worse in practice than you’d assume at first glance

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12478154

Coming monday maybe when SN9 gets moved/tested.

>> No.12478155

>>12478143
No it isn't, water vapor is a hilariously potent greenhouse gas. And you can quite easily made carbon neutral methane. Go troll elsewhere.

>> No.12478157

>>12478143
There is no climate emergency lol
Governments always attempt to convince the populace of some big vague threat so they can take more power

>> No.12478158

>>12478143
>Imagine thinking LH2 is clean
You may want to look up the process used today to produce bulk amounts of hydrogen as well as the energy wasted containing the shit.
Spoiler: It's not produced by hydrolysis of water.

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:(

>> No.12478163

>>12478158
Isn’t it from natural gas?

>> No.12478166

>>12478160
Elon definitely posts here.

>> No.12478168

>>12478163
Nope. Crude.
That's the easiest way to bulk produce large amounts of hydrogen without wasting fuckloads of energy.
But you still have to waste fuckloads of energy storing and containing it.

>> No.12478169

>>12478143
Reminder that methane is a potent greenhouse gas, and burning it is a net positive

>> No.12478175

>>12478160
This was always the dumb thing, all that effort was made to reuse and refurbish the RS-25s for the shuttle program will now be thrown away as the SLS will expend them

>> No.12478178

>>12478143
The climate impact of rockets is minuscule compared to the climate impact of planes and non-existent compared to the climate impact of cars. Don't forget about how much worse China affects the climate compared to the sum of the western world. Chasing after rockets for climate improvements is like worrying about one dandelion in your garden while rodents run wild within it.

>> No.12478180

>>12478110
>>12478091
but Reddit told me Musk is just a moneyman fraud who doesn't know anything

>> No.12478189

>>12478180
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210649166407438336
yup. He just sits on his ass all day. Clearly. For real though reddit is the home of the equivalent of lefty q-anon shit.

>> No.12478193

>>12478160
>SLS is designed as a quick-to-make super heavy rocket
>heritage shuttle engines are pulled out of museums to facilitate this
>SLS gets delayed so much that a production line of new engines was made
>still gonna trash shuttle engines into the sea
Someone needs to say this out loud to some higher ups within NASA. Preferably during a public event so they can't quietly ignore it

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>narrator: there were changes

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>>12478175
They belong in a MUSEUM!

>> No.12478207
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jeff btfo

>> No.12478213

https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/kejh3c/in_unsurprising_news_musk_is_a_transphobe/
>Left and right are opposite
>omg directionphobe

>> No.12478215

>>12478207
>moons and asteroids
given the low gravity that isn't really much of a problem

>> No.12478216

>>12478178
>Don't forget about how much worse China affects the climate compared to the sum of the western world.
Hydrazine is actually perfectly healthy and nahkchbharghl

>> No.12478226

>>12478216
I think that's actually a word in Klingon.

>> No.12478238

>>12478030
>>12478026
>>12478022
>>12478021

based andromeda poster

>> No.12478239

>>12478213
Nigga, we have rules.

You can't just post a reddit link here.

>> No.12478241

>>12478226
I thought it was Welsh

>> No.12478242

>>12478213
>literally posting reddit

>> No.12478244

>>12477156
>seven launches without a bath
>"I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THIS ELON, PLEASE JUST LET ME DIE."

>> No.12478248

>>12478213
Why are you literally searching the dregs of the internet to find things to be mad at? There is not a single good, well adjusted person on any of the reddit boards dedicated to hating something or someone. They're all the same. Might as well post some epic front page "white people btfo" meme.

>> No.12478250

>>12478244
I don't think plasma scorchmarks just wash off with a spongebath, bud.

>> No.12478252

>>12478250
Just rub some hydrazine on it, kid. It'll buff right out.

>> No.12478263

>>12478213
>EnoughMuskSpam
>So we're going to create an entire sub to complain about him
He really should find a way to monetize all that free real estate he has there.

>> No.12478264
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12478264

Tomorrow two launches of the last four launches this year:

-OneWeb satellites launch.
-NROL-108 satellite launch.

>> No.12478266

>>12478168
Why is there hydrogen in crude oil

>> No.12478268

>>12478193
At the very least they should put the relics back in the museum.

>> No.12478270

>>12478266
>Why is there hydrogen in long chain hydrocarbons
I see we have a grade school dropout here.

>> No.12478272

>>12478266

>Asks himself why there is Hydrogen in Hydrocarbon products.

LMAO.

>> No.12478273

>>12477970
t. seething turd worlder

>> No.12478274

>>12478266
Why is there hydrogen in water?

>> No.12478275

>>12478250
ClF3 can transform any non-fluorinated surface in a flash.

>> No.12478279

>>12478275
I'm sure they'd like to fly that booster an 8th time too.

>> No.12478286

>>12478272
Are you gonna answer?

>> No.12478287

>>12478279
If you put enough pressurized ClF3 in a given area under the booster, then from a certain perspective...

>> No.12478289

>>12478286
oil is made of long chains of carbon and hydrogen

>> No.12478290

>>12478286
The first answer to your post was the answer.

>> No.12478292
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>Arianespace CEO is called Stéphane Israël
>Born to a lawyer father and a (((psychoanalyst))) mother
>worked for "SOS Racisme" in his youth, an organization accused of anti-White and anti-French racism.
What did they mean by this?

>> No.12478295

>>12478292
Well now we know where their budget goes.

>> No.12478302

>>12478292
hon hon hon
le baguette faggot

>> No.12478306

>>12478292
>france being france
Shocking.

>> No.12478308

>>12478292

>Launch smart.

The smartest thing they have done is to buy Soyuz rockets but that is it really.

>>12478286

The awnser is in the name of the group of wich oil belongs to: HYDRO-carbon.

>> No.12478310

>>12478302
I learned French in school, and I'm legitimately shocked reading the wikipedia articles (nothing in English of course). Jewish subversion isn't a pol meme after all.

>> No.12478312

>>12478310
We tried to warn you. You didn't listen.

>> No.12478313

>>12478207
This is actually much easier from a logistical standpoint than establishing an equivalently sized colony on another planet, especially considering that you are no longer constrained by as many structural stress factors as there are on Earth, and you don't have to shuttle back and forth to the surface of your new habitat, it can be assembled right in LEO and simply left there in an orbit even more convenient than that of the Moon.
Elon is invested in ground colonies though, so I get why he doesn't care about/doesn't think O'niells are sensible.
Starships are cheap, somebody else could buy their own set of Starships and get working on one.

>> No.12478314

>>12478289
>>12478290
Give anon the benefit of the doubt. You've stated that oil is in part made up of hydrogen but not why it forms compounds with carbon in the way that it does

>> No.12478317

>>12478314
This is pretty basic shit. It's not the carbon atoms in hydrocarbons that's the reason we're combusting the shit out of it.

>> No.12478322

>>12478312
this fucking faggot went to ENA, which is the absolute highest echelon of prestigious schools in France for public """servants""", and spent his career working a bunch of bullshit ministry jobs and even teaching an ENA prep course for college students. Zero aerospace experience, and he (((magically))) ends up CEO of Arianespace. I fucking hate the ___.

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>>12478310

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reentry

>> No.12478332

>>12478325
by what fucking luck did we end up with a trio of gentiles - Elon, Bezos, and Tory, running the show? Peter Beck too. I guess we still have a chance in this gay world.

>> No.12478333

>>12478027
this is what NASA is best for. Taking those first few difficult steps that enable others to appraise viability

>> No.12478335

>>12478313
Making equivalently sized colonies is by no means as hard as making an O'neill cylinder in the same way that making a skyscraper is easier than making a similarly sized space station. It's always easier to move material within a gravity well and close to your industrial resources. The "O'neill first" approach is broken. That doesn't mean O'neill cylinders can never happen, it means you need a strong colonial infrastructure first. You certainly aren't doing an O'neill from Earth-sourced materials, and you aren't making one on another planet without a huge investment in that planet's resources. It also needs a huge supply of all resources relevant for life so the moon is no good. Whether Elon cares or realizes it, Mars is the future staging ground for building giant space habitats.

>> No.12478336

>>12478326
Makes sense, especially since PICAX is supposed to be super tolerant of long-term heating, to the point where there really wont be any normal reentry regime that really stresses it out.

>> No.12478340

>>12478332
>by what fucking luck did we end up with a trio of gentiles - Elon, Bezos, and Tory, running the show?
Private enterprise and fair competition.

>> No.12478343

>>12478336
>PICAX

that's a nice ass acronym

>> No.12478345

>>12478333
>this is what NASA is best for. Taking those first few difficult steps that enable others to appraise viability
bullshit, spacex did all the steps on their own

>> No.12478346

>>12478335
I guess it depends on the scale we're thinking of, if we're talking about a multi-kilometer orbital which is sort of a space-city then yeah I'd agree with you, but I think smaller ones, say 200x800m would be well within the capability of Earth based launchers to construct in orbit. The major hurdle is zero-g construction which we'll have to learn anyways if prolonged major colonization efforts are to happen anywhere in the solar system.

>> No.12478349

>>12478335
Plus then you can just build space tugs out of a gorillion Raptors and tanks to insert the cylinders into transfer orbits bound for other planets and brake on arrival. Nobody cares about a ten year transfer for a mile long space colony so chemical thrust wins again.

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>>12478332
Meritocracy.
Furthermore, the media must be destroyed.

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>>12478292
>

>> No.12478356

The future is hyper-efficient Martian colonies.

Even with starship launch prices, the sheer logistical burden of colonists is going to mean that every economic activity on Mars is going to have to be hyperefficient in terms of labor productivity.

All the software debugging and coding will be done remotely from earth. Every machine will be designed on earth and then the models for CNC machining it will be beamed to Mars. Every aspect of production is going to be automated, even for things like farms.

The key is to get as close to a Von Neumann machine as possible.

Now how do we earthlings get started on testing industrial processes and machine learning for eventual use in hyper-efficient Martian industries.

>> No.12478359

>>12478356
End immigration, nuke the third world, and generally destroy the surplus labor pool currently enjoyed by multinational capitalists.

>> No.12478362

>>12478336
they aren't going with pica-x, which is ablative. Instead they're going to use something similar to what the Venturestar was supposed to use. Tough-something.

I had wondered if a modular pica-x TPS would be possible. Make replacing it in one go really simple. Would probably be far heavier than attaching some ceramics, though.

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>>12478359
it's too late, 700+ million in Nigeria alone KEK I can't wait for all the livestreamed 8k 144fps combat footage from all the civil wars.

>> No.12478366

>>12478364
>700+ million in Nigeria alone
That's what we call a target rich environment.

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>>12478364
here's your beautiful spacefaring future bro.

>> No.12478369

>>12478356
Well, one definite good thing about Mars is that it does have appreciable gravity to work in, there doesn't need to be an enormous amount of redesigning to work in the Martian environment except that you can remove at least twice as much mass from any piece of equipment without worrying about compromising it's strength on Mars.
Mars' atmosphere is a near-vacuum, it will make any manufacturing processes which prefer low pressure, low reactivity gas environments easier to set up.
For the creation of structures I favor the idea of basalt-plastic printing, although I know it's somewhat unpopular here. I'd want to see just how far you can push the ratio towards basalt and away from plastic without losing the benefits of the method, to minimize how much plastic you'd need to ship to Mars (and how much the colony would need to produce once it has agriculture).
Maybe you could even get a pure basalt printer to work, which would be ideal, you need no extra plastic and all you have to do is pulverize your rock into a fine easy to melt powder, purge it of perchlorates so it's safe to live around, and extrude it as the outer shell for whatever structures you want to build above or bellow ground.

>> No.12478372

>>12478356
>the sheer logistical burden of colonists is going to mean that every economic activity on Mars is going to have to be hyperefficient in terms of labor productivity.
this is actually an interesting point. Humans naturally tend to adapt to their environments. So what will martians look like when they adapt to a world that lacks the extravagance of earth? A planet where high individual performance is necessary for survival?

>> No.12478373

>>12478366
I wonder if some russian or other post-soviet madlad who was high up in the nuclear program has the ability to snag a container warhead and do what needs to be done.

>> No.12478376

Mars being an SSTO heaven is going to be fucking sick. Martians will go to space just to joyride.

>> No.12478378

>>12478372
I picture the process for being a Martian colonist as basically being the admissions process for an Ivy League school mixed with selection for Delta Force.

Absurd academic requirements, absurd physical requirements, and a focus on superhuman mental endurance.

They'd probably only ever use a human if it's something that a robot can't do, so there'd probably be like a bunch of really good machinists and agricultural engineers and shit like that. Stuff that requires you to physically be in the same room, and requires creative problem solving. Everything else would be done either remotely or by robots.

>> No.12478382

>>12478364
>>12478367
Going to be a catastrophe in Africa in 50 years. The writing is on the walls. These nations can't support that population due to lack of civilization development.

>> No.12478386

>>12478364
>>12478367
Can't wait for our predecessors to enjoy footage of them welding together Chinese kit cars into copies of rockets in vain attempts at getting off this rock. Disciple Kwadfo Safo style.
From Mars.

>> No.12478390

>>12478386
*Apostle, not disciple.

>> No.12478396

>>12478386
>predecessors
Those came before us, you mean descendants I think, those who come after.

>> No.12478403

>>12478396
It's 3am. My head is not functioning at this time of night.

>> No.12478406

>>12478390
>>12478396
Good lord I think anon had a stroke before posting

>> No.12478409

>>12478406
No, just late night posting after epilepsy pills has kicked in.

>> No.12478413

>>12478378
If this pans out a Mars colony would greatly increase humanity's rate of progress as a whole

>> No.12478414

>>12478382
aren't they all held aloft by massive western aid?

>> No.12478415

>>12478414
Yes.

>> No.12478416

>>12478414
Until the West can't afford it any more, then all he'll breaks loose.

>> No.12478418

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2020/12/17/artemis-i-orion-progress-update
They're not gonna fix the Orion's faulty power unit

>> No.12478421

>>12478418
Jesus.

>> No.12478423

>>12478418
Kek they are launching anyways. No integrated software testing for SLS just so it can launch a fucked capsule with a PDU issue

>> No.12478424

>>12478289
How does the hydrogen get in there? As far as I know, hydrogen is too light to stick around in Earth’s atmosphere, but is technically all over the place in the form of water, so does the water somehow react with organic molecules in dead shit?

>> No.12478426

>>12478421
You know the alternative is 4 years delay for the unmanned flight test. They're just "fuck that shit".

>> No.12478434

>>12478424
Life is made of carbon and hydrogen

>> No.12478438

>>12478424
Hydrogen has one single electron and therefore bonds to fucking everything.

>> No.12478441

>>12478418
holy FUCK

>They determined that due to the limited accessibility to this particular box, the degree of intrusiveness to the overall spacecraft systems, and other factors, the risk of collateral damage outweighed the risk associated with the loss of one leg of redundancy in a highly redundant system
they designed this thing to be impossible to repair

>>12478423
this shit is going to kill oldspace alongside with the astronauts that ride in it


>>12478416
>>12478415
yeah this seems like a recipe for disaster. West isn't immortal this arrangement will fail at some point. Frankly, if the liberals who set this up actually gave a shit they'd invest into making these countries self-sufficient. This shit is cruelty masquerading as benevolence. Because nothing comes without cost. Not even "gifts". A parent who spoils their child robs from them critical life lessons they need to thrive. We've done the same to these countries, and they will suffer for it

>> No.12478444

>>12478438
Textbook explanation hahah

>> No.12478446

>>12478418
>It’s too hard to fix
>Fuck it, we’ll do it live
The absolute state of oldspace

>> No.12478447

>>12478426
It's unmanned. The will just sit and watch if it will affect anything at all, and make sure they won't have to deal with this shit on Artemis II.

>> No.12478448

>>12478414
Yes. IMO its like "uplifting" concept we see in scifi. The west is uplifting African continent with their aid. It always ends bad when you uplift a group that's not ready for the level of development, on top of west's own problem at hand. Its a ticking time bomb.

>> No.12478450

>>12478446
to be fair, some people are unironically suggesting the same for snine's flaps

>> No.12478452

>>12478447
Exactly. It's got redundancies out the ass and they'd rather not wait for 4 years for whoever the fuck is responsible for that particular part to unfuck it and more budget overruns.

>> No.12478454

>>12478450
If SN9 had 8 more sets of flaps, I'd be willing to agree with those people. That's the state of oldspace engineering for manned space flight.

>> No.12478456

>>12478441
One problem is the vaccines are curing many in africa, leading to huge boom in healthy children growing up to be adults. While aiding/vaccinating are useful and good for people, it creates an unnatural push towards the society that hasn't built its own road systems.

>> No.12478458

>>12478450
SpaceX is not Boing, they won't need year and half to change two flaps.

>> No.12478460

>>12478378
>I picture the process for being a Martian colonist as basically being the admissions process for an Ivy League school mixed with selection for Delta Force.
>Absurd academic requirements, absurd physical requirements, and a focus on superhuman mental endurance.

Good luck having no colonists, most of these ubermen have wives and kids and shit which will definitely not be going. Your colonists will be drawn from a well of single white male blue collars with multiple skillsets, probably a handful of Asians thrown in there too.

>> No.12478462

>>12478450
SN9 is a prototype and didn't cost 2 billion dollars anon.

>> No.12478465

>>12478450
SLS is gay and SpaceX SHOULD fly snine as is. Yes.

>> No.12478467

>>12478448
Isn't uplifting typically giving sapience to something?
I don't think throwing bunches of hotdogs into my backyard for raccoons to eat exactly counts as uplifting raccoons.
>>12478450
Yes.

>> No.12478468

>>12478460
I mean, people like that sign up to do 18 month deployments to Afghanistan all the time.

With Mars you'd have a way wider recruitment pool because it's a lot cooler and maybe a lower chance of getting killed. Also, you can use non-Americans, so that opens up the recruitment pool massively.

>> No.12478470

>>12478465
She will be on the pad next week, with shiny new flaps.

>> No.12478472

>>12478465
They should fly it over Blue Origin's offices and piss on Bezo's employees.

>> No.12478474

>>12478472
They should fill it full of amfo and slam it into BO's head office.
>tfw no Ace Combat 3-style company war future

>> No.12478475

>>12478470
Besides the engine problems, why did SN8 seem to have a million cryo tests and propellant load practices? Are they going to do this with SN9 or do they plan on doing one static fire and a real flight

>> No.12478476

>>12478468
But going to Afghanistan doesn't take 6 months just to get there.
I think people going to Mars are going to be doing at least half a decade after the very initial "getting our toes wet" portion of putting men on Mars.

>> No.12478478

>>12478475
It'll probably be like SN5 and SN6 where SN5 had a ton of tests before the flight but SN6 had very few.

>> No.12478479

>>12478474
>powerslides into their shitty VAB
>there’s a dirty nuclear bomb in the nosecone
Uh yeah I’m thinking based

>> No.12478480

>>12478456
>One problem is the vaccines are curing many in africa
lol only on sfg

>> No.12478481

>>12478468
Military drones are retarded fuckwits, you definitely don't want to send them to Mars. Plus they have zero useful skills.

>t. ex infantry

>> No.12478483

>>12478481
>Plus they have zero useful skills.
Shooting people is a pretty useful skill, I predict it will only get more relevant as we move forward.

>> No.12478484

>>12478479
Reminds we when the kids at my KSC space camp crashed the shuttle sim into the VAB while screaming Allahu akbar. Space Camp really was fun.

>> No.12478486

>>12478476
>But going to Afghanistan doesn't take 6 months just to get there

Real odd how that works these days. You can be fighting in a warzone one hour and then ten hours later you’re back in the states thousands of miles from conflict.

>> No.12478487

>>12478484
>crashed the shuttle sim into the VAB while screaming Allahu akbar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=692eChWNNbo

>> No.12478488

>>12478481
I'm thinking of like 18 series and CIA paramilitary officers.

Obviously 11Bs aren't going to be that far ahead of the regular population, but there are some really competent people in the SOF community.

Given how irresistible it would be to be a pioneer, I see a lot of that general kind of personality type signing up to go be on Mars.

>> No.12478489

>>12478484
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.

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>>12478488
>CIA niggers on mars

>> No.12478493

>>12478488
Yeah like I said, most of those dudes have families.

>> No.12478503

>>12478481
Lol this ape didn’t want to live forever

>> No.12478508

>>12478493
Bring them. The whole fucking point of a colony is to create a self-sustaining population locally. If the population is sustained only by immigration, it’s just an outpost

>> No.12478513

>>12478493
As long as it's like 24 month missions and not like multiple years.

There'd also be people who are civilians who train obsessively to go be Martians.

>> No.12478517

>>12478513
Are they really Martians if they weren’t born there?

>> No.12478520

>>12478517
No, but they will make Martians.

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>>12478517

>> No.12478522

>>12478418
https://youtu.be/ya_D9IwB3-s

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Squad are Rocket Lab bros confirmed. Their logos got added to KSP as flags.

>> No.12478530

>>12478508
>Bring them

Lol dude. Have you ever tried to convince a women to merely sell your house? Let alone moving to an airless shithole for the rest of your life. Mars is going to have a real problem getting females there.

>>12478513
>24 month missions

Not exactly the definition of a fucking colony. Besides, I think you'll be finding that it's a one way trip, 6 months as spam in a can will be hell. Let alone doing it twice.

>> No.12478532

>>12478528
Haven't touched KSP for a few months. Are mods getting updated for versions beyond 1.8.1 or am I still stuck in this old version?

>> No.12478543

>>12478530
>Lol dude. Have you ever tried to convince a women to merely sell your house?

No but I got one to let me spit in her mouth

>> No.12478549

>>12478418
fucking based, now cancel the green run and launch the damn thing before new year.

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I can't believe it but this redditor makes some good points

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>>12478561
Go back and stay there

>> No.12478571

>>12478561
>hurr durr having more depots means you get to refuel moar!!
no shit retard.

>> No.12478575

>>12478562
This, only louder and more aggressive.

>> No.12478586

>>12478561
>let's put a fuckton of bombs in orbit
Yes, but unironically.

>> No.12478587

>>12478562
This nigga knows.

>> No.12478613

>>12478586
you just know that some random dude at some point is going to try to take down a sat with a homemade rocket

>> No.12478656

>>12478532
Don't think so. I barely run any mods though, maybe because it was 1.9 by the time I got into it.

>> No.12478673

>image limit and page 10
Standby for staging

>> No.12478678

>>12478673
are you gonna make it or shall I?

>> No.12478680

>>12478678
im making it

>> No.12478684

>>12478680
forsure

>> No.12478689

Thread staged:

>>12478686

>>12478686

>>12478686

>>12478686

>>12478686