/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12462190]

How does this make you feel /sci/?

[Anonymous No.12462217]

>>12462190
Sad that old people are dying.
>B-But it's ok to kill the elderly!
It also doesn't count the huge number of non mortality related issues.

[Anonymous No.12462314]

>>12462190
Lets compare to the 2010 H1N1 pandemic
CDC data: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2010-2011.html

Okay, now lets consider the terms used in the CDC COVID19 stats. "Infection Fatality Rate" is estimated by adding symptomatic + asymptomatic cases. Essentially, to determine the IFR you have to make a projection on how many people are actually getting infected regardless of symptom onset and test results. The "Survival Rate" is a measure of fatalities vs positively confirmed cases. So while the IFR is an inferential statistic, the survival rate is an empirical statistic insofar as we can rely on the accuracy of the testing method. We shall assume PCR testing is generally reliable as it is not relevant to the comparison being made here.

For the 2010-2011 CDC Influenza season stats, we have "Illness Rate" and "Mortality Rate". Illness rate is an estimate (projection) of influenza cases vs 100,000 population. Mortality rate is determined by comparing deaths with positive influenza diagnoses vs 100,000 population.

So the stats on mortality we have here are slightly different. It would not make sense to compare COVID19 "Survival Rate" with influenza "Mortality Rate", as in this case the "Mortality Rate" of influenza also includes an estimate of asymptomatic or unaccounted (non-treated) cases, which the COVID19 "Survival Rate" does not.

Thus we must compare the COVID19 IFR vs 2010-2011 Influenza mortality rate, as both of these statistics include factor in the estimate for unaccounted (i.e. asymptomatic, non-treated) cases.

In so doing, we see that the COVID19 IFR for ages 70+ is 0.054%, or 54 out of 100,000. The mortality rate for influenza is 62.4 out of 100,000 - meaning, the 2010-2011 influenza was estimated to be MORE DEADLY for older people than COVID19 is currently estimated to be.

"Trust the science" libtards.
Source: data scientist

[Anonymous No.12462323]

>>12462190
And now compare this with poverty and suicide rate increases due to lockdowns

[Anonymous No.12462345]

>>12462314
>>12462323
In lockdown Covid killed 1.6 million people.
No Flu has killed that much. Your math is bad

[Anonymous No.12462357]

>>12462345
what did you expect from a data ''''''scientist''''''

[Anonymous No.12462363]

>>12462357
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.12462367]

>>12462363
>>12462345

[Anonymous No.12462379]

>>12462345
>No Flu has killed that much
did I mention flu, retard? Let's kick the economy 20 years back because 1.6/7800 = 0.02% of the population died. Brilliant idea.

[Anonymous No.12462388]

>>12462379
Far more would have died if we didn't.
1.6 million people already died.
Your argument is that we shouldn't do a preventative measure because the preventative measure is working. You are as stupid as Anti-Vaxxers

[Anonymous No.12462392]

>>12462345
If you define interpreting government statistics as performing math, I'm surprised you are even capable of using a computer.

[Anonymous No.12462402]

>>12462388
how many more? I doubt it would've ever reached even half a percent. The first lockdown is somehow justified, but the absolute paranoia that is going on today is even denounced by WHO. It's a bunch of politicians and other people in power who milk the whole thing for virtue points by telling you they "care about your safety". Not my financial or mental safety, that's for fucking sure.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/who-warns-against-covid-19-lockdowns-due-to-economic-damage/

[Anonymous No.12462406]

>>12462402
>I-It's ok it would have only killed 35 million people at most I swear!

[Anonymous No.12462409]

>>12462392
And he explained why the assumptions are wrong

[Anonymous No.12462412]

>>12462406
look at Sweden, retard. Is it on the verge of societal collapse? Is it a desolate wasteland now? Keep being a fucking wimp. America was founded on the idea that freedom > safety. I sure as hell believe this myself.

[Anonymous No.12462414]

>>12462314
>In so doing, we see that the COVID19 IFR for ages 70+ is 0.054%, or 54 out of 100,000. The mortality rate for influenza is 62.4 out of 100,000 - meaning, the 2010-2011 influenza was estimated to be MORE DEADLY for older people than COVID19 is currently estimated to be.
Based on an estimated infection rate that doesn't take into account that H1N1 had a very high asymptomatic rate, around 75%. The best measure is pneumonia deaths, and 2020 has been brutal in that regard. 2010-2011 barely differed from the surrounding years, H1N1 was nothing.

[Anonymous No.12462422]

>>12462402
>https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/112420_covidupdate.html
current IFR for USA is .5% with zero measures covid will easily hit a 90%+ infection rate. That alone gives us 15m dead in the US alone. That isn't even taking into account how much fatalities across the board would increase as our medical system collapses under the sheer load of cases. Not to mention immunity only lasts about 8 months so reinfection is also a factor.

[Anonymous No.12462431]

>>12462412
Go move to Somalia if that's all you care about

[Anonymous No.12462435]

>>12462412
>look at sweden
Was and is using facemasks en mass.

[Anonymous No.12462439]

>>12462422
Holy shit imagine being retarded enough to still be shilling the covid fear porn.
KYS.

[Anonymous No.12462441]

>>12462435
Not to mention they were actually pretty aggressive about working remote + shutting down schools. Sweden is more locked down than most States in the US, it's just generally voluntary.

[Anonymous No.12462443]

>>12462439
This. Covid is boring so it doesn't matter how many people die. I need to find the new thing to care about!

[Anonymous No.12462448]

>>12462439
>>12462363

[Anonymous No.12462451]

>>12462435
did I say anything about the masks? Don't lock me down in my room and let me function like a human being. That means socializing, going to work, to restaurants, bars, etc. Couldn't give a shit if I have to put that piece of cloth on.

[Anonymous No.12462454]

>>12462451
See >>12462441

[Anonymous No.12462469]

>>12462422
>https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/112420_covidupdate.html
>Methods: Modeling study integrating COVID-19 death rates with SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence data. Expected age- and sex-specific IFR were derived from seroprevalence studies and compared with reported numbers of deaths. Limitations: Both reported death and seroprevalence data could be inaccurate
Hint: the data model you are using is being used to create a report on the CDC website, but was not created by CDC researchers themselves

Quotes from the source cited regarding their model:
>However, further comparisons are needed to fully understand the representativeness of different seroprevalence survey designs
>...although we find notable heterogeneity in IFR estimates as suggested by individual national-level seroprevalence studies, with a median range of 0.24–1.49% (Fig. 2b). In particular, seroprevalence studies from New York City (2.28; 95% credible interval, 2.15–2.42%), Scotland (1.49%; 95% credible interval, 1.25–1.82%) and England (1.41%; 95% credible intervals, 1.38–1.44%) suggest a significantly higher IFR whereas studies in Kenya (0.24%; 95% credible interval, 0.23–0.25%), Slovenia (0.25%; 95% credible interval, 0.24–0.30%) and Denmark (0.26%; 95% credible interval, 0.24–0.32%) support a lower IFR than that of the ensemble model.

Take a look at the variability in those confidence intervals, and you tell me if this is a reliable source.

[Anonymous No.12462478]

>>12462469
Also, the lowest IFR from that report is Kenya. KENYA.

[Anonymous No.12462480]

>>12462314
h1n1was unusually mild for old people, a regular flu seaon has an ifr of around 0.1%

[Anonymous No.12462483]

>>12462478
median age in Kenya is 18 so that doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Anonymous No.12462492]

>>12462190
You're not afraid of the 99.98%, are you anon?
>>12462409
His explanation assumes that every reported covid death was a covid death

[Anonymous No.12462498]

>>12462443
People die every day
If you set out to eliminate death you are running a fool's errand

[Anonymous No.12462538]

>>12462498
This. Seat belts should never be included in cars

[Anonymous No.12462540]

>>12462492
You are right. In reality there are likely far more Covid deaths that aren't counted

[Anonymous No.12462546]

>>12462483
Truth be told. Comparing the Kenyan overall IFR from the /112420_covidupdate report to the IFRs in OPs pic, and come to find that the generalized Kenyan IFR is roughly 5x higher than that of the 70+ age group for the US, if we are to believe both reports. Contradicts the established relationship between mortality and age, thus one of the reports must be wrong. CDC data vs some random ayylmao model, probably better off sticking with the CDC on this one.

[Anonymous No.12462553]

>>12462540
In reality the are far more non-covid deaths because the person happened to have covid at the time. Typical example: the holiest man on earth, Mr Floyd himself.

[Anonymous No.12462564]

>>12462553
>Typical example: the holiest man on earth, Mr Floyd himself.
COVID-19 wasn't listed on his death certificate as a cause of death.

[Anonymous No.12462571]

>>12462553
You actually proved the opposite. He had covid but didn't have it listed. So the other anon is right.

[Anonymous No.12462575]

>>12462422
Hello Vadim I see you've escaped from cvg again.
Go back.

[Anonymous No.12462577]

>>12462564
exactly, because the kikes listed it as a non-fatal police knee chokehold.

[Anonymous No.12462603]

>>12462575
Figured he was a ruski sooka blyat

[Anonymous No.12462609]

>>12462190
HONK HONK HONK HONK

[Anonymous No.12462619]

>>12462603
saved

[Anonymous No.12462624]

>>12462190
vindicated, I've been preaching that covid is a nothing burger since the beginning. Couldn't give 2 fucks about boomers.

[Anonymous No.12462641]

>>12462314
>Anonymous 12/13/20(Sun)20:37:15 No.12462314▶>>12462345 >>12462414 >>12462480
> data scientist
Based.

[Anonymous No.12462670]

>>12462575
>>12462603
what kind of discord tranny bullshit is this

[Anonymous No.12462673]

>>12462406
just go back to plebbit dude

[Anonymous No.12462686]

>>12462564
But his death is included in the IFR stats.

[Anonymous No.12462688]

>>12462673
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.12462689]

>>12462686
Post source

[Anonymous No.12462713]

>>12462689

[Anonymous No.12462723]

>>12462713
>>12462688

[Anonymous No.12462725]

>>12462723
>>12462713

[Anonymous No.12462742]

>>12462686
You're going to need to provide some proof, because I can find nothing stating that his death counted towards the COVID-19 death count, in fact they explicitly state it wasn't a cause of death.

[Anonymous No.12462769]

>>12462546
Surprised I didn't catch this. OP's pick pulled a fast one and added a % to a decimal ratio.
the CDC's actual IFR for 70+ is .054 or .54% the image is off by a factor of 10.

[Anonymous No.12462785]

>>12462689
>>12462742
It's in the definition, retard. Scarf Lady Burke even told you this months ago.
If you had an infection and subsequently died (regardless of your cause of death), you're listed in the "COVID DEATHS" column.

[Anonymous No.12462792]

>>12462785
>It's in the definition, retard.
No it's not, or provide the link.

>Lady Burke even told you this months ago.
She was talking about how to classify deaths. His was specifically not ruled a COVID-19 death.

[Anonymous No.12462793]

>>12462785
>It's in the definition
No it's not you absolute fucking retard. You have to actually die of a disease to be listed as a case fatality. If that was in the definition of IFR the common cold would have a 100% IFR

[Anonymous No.12462801]

>>12462793
>die of a disease to be listed as a case fatality
No, you have to die WITH the disease. This was made clear months ago.

[Anonymous No.12462811]

>>12462801
schitzo conspiracy bullshit isn't 'made clear' That isn't how IFRs are calculated ever, and such an absurd claim had better come with a mountain of evidence.

[Anonymous No.12462830]

>>12462769
No, it didn't.

[Anonymous No.12462838]

>>12462830
Are you in first grade or do I need to explain the difference between a ratio and a percentage?

[Anonymous No.12462855]

>>12462785
Not a source

[Anonymous No.12462877]

>>12462838
0.54:1 = 5.4%

[Anonymous No.12462882]

>>12462838
*0.054:1 = 5.4%
holy fuck what a typo

[Anonymous No.12462890]

>>12462882
Now we know why OP's image was a picture of hit TV and not a link to cdc.gov

[Anonymous No.12462893]

>>12462890
All this effort just to once again prove that OP is indeed a faggot

[Anonymous No.12462901]

>>12462893
the 'data scientist' was my favorite part

[Anonymous No.12462913]

why the fuck are there so many shills on /sci/?
How much are you even paid?

[Anonymous No.12462918]

>>12462901

[Anonymous No.12462928]

>>12462893
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

[Anonymous No.12462943]

>>12462928

[Anonymous No.12462951]

>>12462190

>94.6% of old people survive covid
>0.054% of old people die of covid
5.346% of old people:

[Anonymous No.12463021]

>>12462538
Seat belts don't shudder the entire economy and keep me locked in my house 24/7

[Anonymous No.12463176]

>>12463021
You are right. We should just let 1% of the population die.

[Anonymous No.12463178]

>>12463021
We aren't doing that.

[Anonymous No.12463196]

>>12463176
I unironically am fine with this. Besides old people overwhelmingly voted for the president who wants to end lockdown. The only young people that are dying are a tiny percent of hamplanets and aids fags

[Anonymous No.12463199]

>>12463021
But none of that is happening?

[Anonymous No.12463200]

>>12463199
Explain

[Anonymous No.12463201]

>>12463196
Your family first.

[Anonymous No.12463205]

>>12463200
Unless you are in China nobody's forcing you to be at home 24/7?

[Anonymous No.12463206]

>>12463201
I'll take <.005% odds of my friends and family dying from a the chink flu if it means I get to actually spend time with them normally over the next few years

[Anonymous No.12463209]

>>12463206
Far more than that anon

[Anonymous No.12463213]

>>12463206
Actually it would be 1% for each family member.

[Anonymous No.12463220]

>>12463206
See, you retards just deny the actual odds.
If your grandparents or parents are elderly it you have a 3-5% chance of them fucking dying.

[Anonymous No.12463221]

>>12463213
No it wouldn't retard, my family isn't a bunch of 90 year olds. This assumes they even catch it

[Anonymous No.12463222]

>>12463221
So you have no elderly family members? You have no one 60 or older?

[Anonymous No.12463234]

>>12463206
>>12463221
The amount of misinformation you've been fed is astonishing and revealing.

[Anonymous No.12463235]

>>12463222
I have several, all of which voted for Drumpf because they'd rather enjoy the last years of their lives than be locked away scared of a small chance of dying from meme flu

[Anonymous No.12463253]

>>12463234
It boils down to a moral question: Are you willing to sacrifice the vitality of the country to save the lives of the weak and sickly? For me it's a resounding no

[Anonymous No.12463258]

>>12463253
Why don't we just close hospitals all together? It's a waste of money treating all those sick people.

[Anonymous No.12463259]

>>12462190
Disappointed in humanity, because after pretty mich one year of this shitshow idiots like you still bring up mortality, when it wasn't relevant since at least March.
Then again disappointed because this implies we shouldn't care about people dying when it's just a few. I don't get it. You criticize Russia and China for lack of human rights and then argue it's okay to let people die over a sickness that could be prevented by not beigg a total jackass.
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.12463263]

>>12463258
Where did I mention money? Having hospitals open is not the same as having lockdowns

[Anonymous No.12463264]

>>12462314
>"Trust the science" libtards.
Quote a scientist that says anything else than you did. God fuck you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.12463276]

>>12463263
Also, if we wanted to maximize lives saved we would lock down every flu season (pre-covid), because it would definitely lower flu deaths. Why aren't you endorsing that too? Because you understand that lockdowns are damaging and in this situation are willing to accept a level of sacrifice. My tolerance for deaths in making this tradeoff is just higher

[Anonymous No.12463287]

>>12463263
>>12463276
Part of the reason we close down is to protect hospitals.

The burden of disease of a flu season can't be compared to covid-19.

[Anonymous No.12463297]

>>12463287
It's just an example. Why don't we ban cars to prevent automobile deaths?

[Anonymous No.12463511]

>>12463276
>whataboutism
>still arguing with deaths
You're a fucking brainlet, dude.

[Anonymous No.12463527]

>>12463264

>NOOO YOUR DATA IS WRONG BECAUSE SOME EXPERT I APPROVE OF DIDNT SAY IT

[Anonymous No.12463556]

>>12463527
>they're everywhere! Scientists everywhere say something I have graphs against! I can't prove it but they're real!
So you're a schizo. Noted.

[Anonymous No.12463565]

>>12462402
I'm actually confused, to tell you the truth. The lockdown is causing massive economic damage, which goes against the fact that the entire world is subservient to corporate interest.

[Anonymous No.12463578]

[Anonymous No.12463584]

biggest scam of all time
https://thefatemperor.com/published-papers-and-data-on-lockdown-weak-efficacy-and-lockdown-huge-harms/

[Anonymous No.12463588]

[Anonymous No.12463593]

[Anonymous No.12463613]

When you can't make your own arguments I guess spamming the thread with random infographics is the only option.

[Anonymous No.12463632]

>>12463613
there is no unusual excess mortality
lock downs have no relationship with mortality
pcr tests are false positives over 30 cycles
masks do nothing https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
the who changed its recommendations in 2019
differences in cases is explained by seasonality
there is no unusual icu admission

the response to cov2 has been one of the most disgraceful scams ever perpetrated.

[Anonymous No.12463635]

>Just lock down everyone
Why is this the prevalent notion right now? I mean all you have to do is issue general hygiene rules like wearing masks indoors and on public transit, and then come up with a concept to isolate the risk demographic as much as possible from the rest. Just test people in old folks homes regularly, clear some store-time exclusively for the old and vulnerable and organize a separate form of transportation for them. I don't get why this isn't being done, even if proceeding with a general lockdown this should be done, coming up with a singular hygiene concept for the general population is just retarded

[Anonymous No.12463644]

>>12463635
>wearing masks indoors
no. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

[Anonymous No.12463669]

>>12463644
I mean the effectiveness of proper surgical masks in reducing aerosol particles is proven, my question would be how many of the adults tested would belong to a risk group, how much personal contact they would have with others and how high the prevalence in the test region is

[Anonymous No.12463672]

>>12463632
How the fuck is it even possible to be this misinformed?

[Anonymous No.12463678]

>>12463669
no the non effectiveness of masks at reducing cov2 infection rate is proven >>12463644

>>12463672
name one thing incorrect

[Anonymous No.12463684]

>>12463669
Also the mask will not protect the wearer, but lower the risk of infect to spread aerosol virus particles, if this is what you were on about

[Anonymous No.12463687]

>>12463684
no
how fucking retarded are you people >>12463644

[Anonymous No.12463691]

>>12463687
>among wearers
What are you on about now?

[Anonymous No.12463692]

>>12462451
>Posting on 4chan
>Socializing, going to restaurants, bars
let's keep the discussion in the real world anon

[Anonymous No.12463701]

Imagine being almost a year into this shitshow and STILL arguing with mortality when that hasn't been a thing anymore since March.
Whoever spams this board with these shit graphics and "arguments", go fuck yourself. You are a part of the problem and why we have these fucking half-assed lockdowns. It's YOUR fault.

[Anonymous No.12463703]

>>12463678
>there is no unusual icu admission
Categorically false. Where do you even get this shit from?

[Anonymous No.12463706]

>>12463691
https://thefatemperor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/WHO-Pandemic-Guidelines-2019.pdf

[Anonymous No.12463722]

>>12463706
What that says is that people are shit at wearing masks you mong. Not that they don't work.

[Anonymous No.12463734]

>>12462190
Why don't they add up to 100% but if you multiplied the fatality rates by 100 it adds up perfectly?
They can't even convert probabilities to % properly?

[Anonymous No.12463737]

>>12463706
Different setting, no distancing rules, smear infection play a large role common influenza viruses, while it does play less of a role in covid infections. I'm arguing basic fucking principle here, properly worn surgical masks reduce areosol spread that is seemingly the most important vector in covid transmission, it won't matter that much for the general population who will most likley not be infected even without masks, but as long as it reduces the possibility to infecting risk groups, it's a sensible measure

[Anonymous No.12463740]

>>12463703
>>12463632

[Anonymous No.12463748]

>>12463722
>>12463737
it is inconceivable that issuing fines and jailing people for not wearing masks is justifiedhttps://wtop.com/maryland/2020/10/lawmaker-takes-legal-case-of-maryland-man-arrested-for-not-wearing-mask-at-polling-place/

[Anonymous No.12463763]

absolutely nothing unusual is happening

[Anonymous No.12463769]

>>12463748
>issuing fines
fine
>jailing people
overblown unless they intentionally go coughing it up in an old folks home
It's just part of the hygiene concept, you go to a store, you wear a mask, you go to bar/restaurant, the restaurant owner has to have a concept in place and you should wear the mask until you're seated or whatever their concept sees fit. I get a lot of the criticism regarding the handling of covid, but I really don't get the mask issue

[Anonymous No.12463774]

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

[Anonymous No.12463776]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-07/victoria-coronavirus-omnibus-bill-changes-after-legal-criticism/12740184

[Anonymous No.12463782]

>>12462190
>3 per 100,000
>20 per 100,000
>500 per 100,000
>5400 per 100,000
So if you're over 50, it's worse than living with niggers

[Anonymous No.12463805]

>>12462190
why did it quickly collapse healthcare systems everywhere when left unchecked and how is not something that deserves particular attention?

[Anonymous No.12463813]

>>12463740
What was the point you were trying to make here?

[Anonymous No.12463816]

>>12463805
it didn't

[Anonymous No.12463819]

>>12463805
because its like a super contagious version of the flu

[Anonymous No.12463822]

>>12463813
>>12463816
there is no unusual icu admiission

[Anonymous No.12463830]

>>12463822
Well, all hospitals in my area are overblown. Even the ones across country lines. Guess you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.12463841]

>>12463830
post data you shill

there is no unusual excess mortality
lock downs have no relationship with mortality
pcr tests are false positives over 30 cycles
masks do nothing https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
the who changed its recommendations in 2019
differences in cases is explained by seasonality
there is no unusual icu admission

[Anonymous No.12463851]

>>12463830

[Anonymous No.12463854]

>>12463822
Are you for real?

Literally had a webinar with a Swedish intensivist at Karolinska a couple of weeks ago and they literally had to build/convert wards to accommodate all the ICU admissions.

[Anonymous No.12463863]

>>12463854
shut the fuck up you're not even at half at what you were

[Anonymous No.12463879]

[Anonymous No.12463880]

It makes me feel vindicated in my lifelong assertion that humanity is comprised of 90 percent NPC who are stupid as fuck and barely conscious and to never underestimate how stupid they are or the stupid sit they are capable of

[Anonymous No.12463882]

[Anonymous No.12463901]

>>12463863
How fucking dumb are you? Do you think think that image somehow shows there's no unusual ICU admissions? March/april is the baseline? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.12463909]

>>12463901
I didn't say it was baseline you faggot I said it wasn't unusual and all you did was contradict
just like you have no unusual excess mortality with no lockdown because lockdown has no efficacy
>>12463527
>>12463882

[Anonymous No.12463913]

>>12463909
How is it not unusual? Compared to what?

[Anonymous No.12463916]

>>12463913
every other year

[Anonymous No.12463919]

>>12463901

[Anonymous No.12463931]

>>12463916
>>12463919
Well, it is actually very unusual building new wards, having to use cold war era equipment, running out of basic medications, everyone having to work extra shifts etc.

How isn't this unusual exactly?

[Anonymous No.12463935]

>>12463901
fucking shill
only 16 days to pump those numbers up somehow you disgrace

[Anonymous No.12463937]

>>12463863
Sweden had to double their capacity when the first wave hit. It's simply not sustainable to operate at that level. Stockholm is currently at capacity.

[Anonymous No.12463940]

>>12463937
>>12463935
eat shit

[Anonymous No.12463955]

[Anonymous No.12463957]

>>12463816
Why did a vast majority of places in the world that didn't have bodies piled up on the street ended up with bodies piling up on the streets?

why so many testimonies of doctors crying they had to choose who lived and who died in a way that isnt normal to them?

why do you insist on lying when the objective truth is what i said and the objective wrongness is what you say? are you gonna argue that gravity doesnt exist now? are you gonna argue 2+2=watermelon fluffy rainbow?

[Anonymous No.12463958]

[Anonymous No.12463960]

>>12463935
>>12463940
You're just proving that you don't know what you're talking about.

The average covid patient is much longer in the ICU than other cases.

[Anonymous No.12464002]

>>12463957
what people say isn't evidence. All cause mortality is evidence and there is no unusual all cause mortality.
>>12463882
>>12463763
>>12463578
>>12463527
Who the fuck pays you to be this blatantly a shill?

>>12463960
false

[Anonymous No.12464018]

>>12464002
>what people say isn't evidence.
if those people are doctors from hospital all around the world then yes

also piles of bodies in the street mass graves being dug up is objective undeniable proof

seriously tough, do you get off on being wrong or are you just the saddest troll ever?
like youre objectively wrong, you sound like this:

>2+2=5234
no, it's 4, end of discussion
>no its actually
no, its 4, nothing else to talk about
>no but you cant just accept a source th
its 4
>but actually if oyuo consider that
theres nothing to consider, its 4
>woah you brainwashed idiot i cant believe that
still 4


end of discussion forever

this is just an excersises in futility if you dont accept the objective undeniable facts that are presented to you over and over again

[Anonymous No.12464020]

>>12462345

wow about as much as people die from car crashes every year better not ever drive

[Anonymous No.12464026]

>>12464018
There are objectively no piles of bodies. There is no unusual mortality

[Anonymous No.12464042]

>>12464026
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/where-the-dead-wait-for-decent-last-rites/article32206757.ece
https://www.aljazeera.com/videos/2020/4/4/covid-19-ecuador-struggles-to-bury-the-dead-as-bodies-pile-up
https://wtop.com/world/2020/10/russia-insists-covid-under-control-as-bodies-pile-up-in-a-hospital/
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/south-asia/article/3088363/coronavirus-wracked-delhi-bodies-pile-morgues-hospitals-brink
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-53451703
https://www.businessinsider.com/brazil-body-left-on-street-highlights-coronavirus-health-disaster-2020-5
https://www.wionews.com/world/us-dead-bodies-being-left-on-streets-in-this-city-due-to-unbearable-stench-297395
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/bodies-found-on-streets-of-bolivia-as-country-struggles-with-covid-19-outbreak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/04/bodies-streets-presidents-denial-latin-america-emerging-new/


Are you gonna force me to keep completely and utterly humillate you? i mean really, youre either the worst idiot ever to have walked the earth or the worse troll, which is it? are you retarded or just pretending?

its over you lost, even in anonimity you should be ashamed of being this pathetic

[Anonymous No.12464044]

>>12464042
>thinks news articles is better evidence than mortality data
Kys
Fuck the ccp

[Anonymous No.12464046]

[Anonymous No.12464047]

>>12464044
if you're talking about the OP image, you might want to double check those numbers against the actual data because they are mysteriously off by exactly a factor of 10 lol.

[Anonymous No.12464050]

>>12464047
No im talking about the data i linked here >>12464002
you obvious shill fuck you and fuck the wef

[Anonymous No.12464053]

>>12462412
I think you need an update on Sweden. Even before the holiday season starts, they're having a third wave of infections, despite following stricter rules for the last couple of weeks. They don't have enough health staff to care for all the sick, so they're asking for help from neighboring countries. They're on the verge of collapse, with no rest in sight for the health staff. What point were you trying to make?

[Anonymous No.12464061]

>>12464002
>false
Post original source, please.

It's incredibly how you can literally just post bullshit like this.

[Anonymous No.12464068]

>>12464050
>median inpatient days
>mortality data
the gall you have to call me a shill kek. you don't even care about truth. you just want to believe you're right.

[Anonymous No.12464070]

>>12464053
Well, if you read this thread our world renowned armchair covid expert says everything is fine in Sweden. Nothing unusual is happening there at all.

[Anonymous No.12464078]

>>12464061
>not posting your source
>thinking that only because its in a study its true
>not knowing there are literal "scientific peer reviews studies" on everything, including flat earther

confirmed for being an idiot, you lost op, you cant recover credibility after this, close the thread and start over

[Anonymous No.12464085]

>>12463841
>post data you shill
Go to your local hospital and ask.
https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-french-hospitals-transfer-critically-ill-covid-19-patients-to-germany/a-55526279
>there is no unusual excess mortality
Nobody cares. You're living in the past.
>masks do nothing
So you had 11 months now and still don't understand that masks don't protect the wearer, but others FROM the wearer? Fucking child.
>there is no unusual icu admission
Complete and utter bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12464086]

Hey, Spam some more useless links you misunderstand anyway. I like red. It's my favorite color.
Maybe you can also make the useless graphs you consistently misinterpret red? I really like it.
Also the screenshots you post instead of linking the source. Make it all red. I like it.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.12464087]

>>12464078
4chan(nel) won't allow the link.
>COVID-19 length of hospital stay: a systematic review and data synthesis
>Rees et al
Not that you would read it anyway.

[Anonymous No.12464187]

>>12463176
kill and eat the 1%

[Anonymous No.12464198]

>>12462190
The math is wrong. All journalists suck at math
>70+ survival rate is 99.9946%
Not 94.6%. That would be an astounding 5.4% death rate. So which is it?

[Anonymous No.12464546]

test

[Anonymous No.12464785]

>>12463805
Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought that during the first wave in NYC the healthcare system coped just fine, some hospitals reached capacity but others had room left, and if you look at excess deaths and hospitalizations the virus was obviously spreading "unchecked" in february there, the only places that had piles of bodies on the street were third world countries with low ICU capacites

[Anonymous No.12464828]

>>12464198
Already went over this OP is a faggot
it's 5.4%

[Anonymous No.12464898]

I'm so tired of covid hysteria

[Anonymous No.12464903]

>>12462190
It's fucking based

More dead boomers = good

[Anonymous No.12465573]

>>12464898
What hysteria?

[Anonymous No.12465580]

>>12465573
>t.

[Anonymous No.12465658]

>>12463511
Dumb bootlicking covidcuck, enjoy life locked in your bug pod while the rest of us live normally

[Anonymous No.12465676]

>>12465658
>while the rest of us live normally
Like what master bathing to anime in your moms basement?

[Anonymous No.12465710]

>>12465676
Very original, one reddit upboat for you my good sir

[Anonymous No.12465735]

https://youtu.be/gnodcLLEZw4

[Anonymous No.12465786]

>>12463511
Pointing out inconsistencies is not a whataboutism you retard

[Anonymous No.12465882]

>>12465580
?

[Anonymous No.12465884]

>>12465658
>while the rest of us live normally
Won't happen, unless we get rid of the virus. You're not helping.
>Dumb bootlicking
Pretty sure you're the bootlicker here.
Anything else or is that all you've got?

>>12465786
You didn't point out any inconsistencies. You brought up an unrelated issue because you have zero arguments.
>why aren't you endorsing that too?
This instantly gives it away. Absolute brainlet.

[Anonymous No.12465915]

bump for retards wrangling over OPs fake news post

[Anonymous No.12465939]

>>12462345
Average age of death is still above average life expectancy lmao.
This was nothing but a good chance to delay the social security bubble, but we decided to kill the economy instead. The young will starve probably ~ 60 - 100 thousand in the US
that's ~ 3 million years lost vs the -1 million years lost since again
Average age of death is still above average life expectancy lmao.

[Anonymous No.12465956]

>>12464085
>masks don't protect the wearer, but others FROM the wearer?
protect from what?
.00003%?
Literally more likely that someone will murder you

[Anonymous No.12465973]

>>12465956
They lower the chance of contracting SARS-nCoV-2 significantly.
>Literally more likely that someone will murder you
Absolutely not. Im not in the USA.

[Anonymous No.12466027]

>>12465973
0.00053% in norway
where do you live, Japan?

[Anonymous No.12466062]

>>12465956
>.00003%?
It's .003%, FYI, assuming you're under 19 anyway.

[Anonymous No.12467366]

>>12466027
Nowhere in the world is the murder rate above 50%.

[Anonymous No.12467556]

>>12462190
Sad. Rookie numbers.