/sfg/ - space flight general

[Anonymous No.12401911]

throwback edition

previous thread >>12397301

[Anonymous No.12401915]

First for orbital propellant depots.

[Anonymous No.12401917]

>>12401915
Would boil off be a concern for storing fuel in depots? I know RP-1 is an option, but you'd still need LOX up there right?

[Anonymous No.12401921]

>>12401917
how is boiloff even real nigga hahaha just refrigerate

[Anonymous No.12401922]

>>12401917
Insulation and active cooling would probably solve those issues. Even ULA was confident that they could handle hydrogen boiloff.

[Anonymous No.12401924]

youtu.be/g06vnmG_Z1s

[Anonymous No.12401926]

starship is fucking huge, guys

[Anonymous No.12401935]

>>12401922

[Anonymous No.12401941]

>>12401926
Indeed

[Anonymous No.12401967]

>>12401926
Someone edit shuttle on top of super heavy

[Anonymous No.12401970]

>>12401967
>but onii-chan, I thrust from there
>NOT TODAY YOU DON'T

[Anonymous No.12401971]

classic Arianespace

[Anonymous No.12401974]

>>12401971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmAsHcTxHks

[Anonymous No.12401976]

>>12401971
he watched? scrub eet

[Anonymous No.12401989]

>>12401974
HOLY SHIT IS THAT BIG JIM?

[Anonymous No.12401991]

If I could use my asshole as interstage fit Super Heavy, could it lift just me beyond LEO?

[Anonymous No.12401994]

"COMMIES could be here" he thought, "I've never been on the moon before. There could be COMMIES anywhere." The dry dusty regolith felt rough against his suit. "I HATE COMMUNISTS" he thought. Ramble On blared throughout his helmet, blocking out Mission Control even as the $15 scotch circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of communists. "With a rover, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.12401996]

>>12401974
G I R T H

[Anonymous No.12401998]

>>12401994
Do you happen to have the original cap?

[Anonymous No.12402000]

>>12401971
What a shitshow. It took them like two minutes to get their facts straight, rather than the instant HOLD HOLD HOLD letting everyone know about the scrub.

[Anonymous No.12402186]

>>12401989
BIGGER THAN YOUR AVERAGE

[Anonymous No.12402193]

>>12401998
yeah

[Anonymous No.12402195]

>>>/wsg/3703735

[Anonymous No.12402266]

>>12401917
SpaceX already gets minimal boiloff of lox from their upper stages even after coasting periods hours long, so I can't see more than a small amount of additional hardware being needed to achieve 0% boiloff.

[Anonymous No.12402269]

>>12402193
Do you have the Peterson vocaroo?

[Anonymous No.12402292]

>>12402269
https://voca.ro/1fLii9JUHriL

[Anonymous No.12402321]

>>12402193
It's the most perfect thing I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.12402325]

>>12401994
>COMMIES could be here
Not for long.

[Anonymous No.12402327]

>>12401917
If you keep the tank shaded and/or vacuum-insulated it's manageable. Plus you can always use active cooling via radiators if you need to.

[Anonymous No.12402331]

>>12402292
lmao

[Anonymous No.12402333]

What the hell is Blue Balls waiting for?

Jeff Bozos has more than enough money.

[Anonymous No.12402334]

>>12401994
Kek
>>12402193
What was the original context for this I can’t even remember
>>12402292
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.12402342]

[Anonymous No.12402348]

>>12402334
Just a random /lit/ thread
>>/lit/thread/S12124665

[Anonymous No.12402351]

>>12402342
HE SMOKES POT

[Anonymous No.12402358]

>>12402342
HE SMOKES POT!

[Anonymous No.12402360]

>>12401926
I wish there were an easy way to get millions of normies to see this.

[Anonymous No.12402399]

>>12402360
I personally can't wait for the era where normies stop referring to every rocket launch and space mission as a "shuttle mission"

[Anonymous No.12402402]

>>12402399
wow you think about normies a lot. why dont you go fuck one

[Anonymous No.12402405]

>>12402402
working on it compadre

[Anonymous No.12402418]

>>12402399
This is why I like spacecraft having "generic" names like Starship. Or even Starliner.

[Anonymous No.12402427]

>>12402418
>Or even Starliner
I know I'll probably be in the minority for this, but CST-100 was a much better name for the capsule that was a purely commercial driven craft. At the very least sticking to that name would save Boeing the embarrassment of having a faulty spacecraft with a high profile name. Starliner just seems too grandiose

[Anonymous No.12402428]

>>12402418
how bout space launcher system
interplanetary transport system
mars colonial transporter

[Anonymous No.12402437]

>>12402360
Are those giant communication telescopes I see? You can see them right under the sun. Are those in Boca?

[Anonymous No.12402441]

>>12402428
shit launcher system
irritable transport syndrome
mars colon transporter

[Anonymous No.12402447]

>>12402342

[Anonymous No.12402453]

I think it's fair to compare the development time of SLS to Starship WITHOUT including Raptor development, because SLS will literally fly with RS-25s out of museums. In which case, the ENTIRE Starship development program since the switch to stainless steel has occurred WHILE WAITING FOR THE GREEN RUN TEST.

[Anonymous No.12402454]

>>12402437
That's the telemetry/tracking array I think, yeah

[Anonymous No.12402465]

>>12402453
When they launch SLS, it's gone. The whole thing gets chucked in the ocean. And the circle of Green Run delays begins anew.

When Starship launches, it will (hopefully) land, and be flown again. SLS is just...gone. They lose all their progress and have to build an entirely new one. On every flight.

[Anonymous No.12402472]

>>12402453
Fuck I hate that piece of shit so god damn much.

[Anonymous No.12402473]

>>12402325
Reminder the Space Marines became officially real not too long ago.

[Anonymous No.12402487]

>>12402473
La creatura del abominacion...

[Anonymous No.12402495]

>>12402473
Yikes, from left to right

>56%er
>jawlet incel
>rapist
>Karen dyke
>another jawlet incel

Absolute state of our armed forces.

[Anonymous No.12402496]

>>12402453
I thought i could not hate SLS more but it seems that has changed

[Anonymous No.12402504]

>>12402473
gross...glad i skipped the navy

[Anonymous No.12402558]

>>12402228
it's more like thirty or fifty more tons to LEO, but yeah, not worth it

[Anonymous No.12402565]

i wish i could hug jim bridenstine, if only to console him before he leaves nasa. he probably wishes he could finish the job. i would hug him tight and say, "hi jim, i'm dave and i believe in you, i think you have great achievements in the future, this was just the beginning, it's not over". we could maybe share a smile. i wonder if he smells like my dad,i loved how dad used to smell. i miss my dad

[Anonymous No.12402631]

Starship will never launch 150 tons to anywhere. That's why they scrubbed it from everything. All the press releases, the user manual, the website.

[Anonymous No.12402635]

>>12402631
Starship could be limited to 80 tons payload and would still be the cheapest ride to orbit by multiple orders of magnitude

[Anonymous No.12402665]

[Anonymous No.12402669]

>>12402665
>could fit 5 thousand pumpkins
>can't even fly a thousand pumpkins to the moon
what's even the point

[Anonymous No.12402671]

>>12402669
you're not impressed?

[Anonymous No.12402675]

>>12402631
>starship can put the entirety of the ISS in LEO in 3.08 launches
bruh they're gonna be building a supervessel in orbit i don't think you know how big of a deal this is
the world is finally going to have its generation ship
we're going to visit the stars

[Anonymous No.12402677]

>>12402675
we're going to throw rocks

[Anonymous No.12402680]

>>12402669
to make the most expensive thanksgiving decorations

[Anonymous No.12402681]

Is it a hop day today?

[Anonymous No.12402684]

>>12402565
I'm sorry for your loss

[Anonymous No.12402685]

>>12402681
no

[Anonymous No.12402686]

>>12402681
Yes! NSF said in their last video :D

[Anonymous No.12402690]

>>12402685
shut up troll/shill

[Anonymous No.12402691]

>>12402690
it's a double static fire today, hop is later
they can't hop until the FAA gives them the go-ahead due to communism

[Anonymous No.12402700]

>>12402691
why dont they just fly anyway? what could they possibly do to spacex, fine them? lol

[Anonymous No.12402701]

>>12402700
do not anger the government
also, shoot them down with fighter jets, I think

[Anonymous No.12402706]

>>12402701
the whole thing will be over in a minute or two. jets will do no such thing

[Anonymous No.12402707]

>>12402706
it takes them all day to set up to launch, and they've got at least three different people livestreaming it whenever there's more than a few tons of fuel in it

[Anonymous No.12402710]

>>12402701
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Fuck you Elon
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12402713]

>>12402707
>set internal launch date for today
>tell public it's a static fire
>us govt fast asleep
>fucking launch it
>???
>profit

[Anonymous No.12402724]

>>12401915
For what purpose? You still have to put the fuel up there.

[Anonymous No.12402726]

>>12402724
>For what purpose?
convenience

[Anonymous No.12402728]

>>12402665
>The absolute state of the Artemis program.

Also why is this so impressive? It's not even a fairing or anything. It's a fucking interstage.

[Anonymous No.12402731]

>>12402728
it's a cute thing for children and old ladies, anon

[Anonymous No.12402732]

Chang'e 5 is already at 200 km after a second braking burn.
Descent to Oceanus Procellarum will happen in the next 3 days.

[Anonymous No.12402735]

>>12402726
Convenience for what?. Fuel is better stored in land facilities.
Also each rocket uses different propellants.
The only reason would be to lift an empty heavy ship in multiple launches if your rocket were not powerful enough.

[Anonymous No.12402743]

another static fire will break raptor. you heard it here first. screencap this

[Anonymous No.12402744]

>>12402743
eh probably. I bet a lot of money with gay friend that SN8 would keep delaying to 2021, so it better get delayed

[Anonymous No.12402761]

>>12402675
Firstly, the fact that you could construct something massive in orbit doesn't change that it's still expensive to create spaceship parts on Earth.

Secondly, there's no point building a generation ship now or for a very long while.
If you build a ship that can reach the nearest star in a brisk 10,000 years, that's 10,000 years where it can be passed by faster future ships. When it's 1% of the way there, there'll already be ships that can make the journey in a fraction of the time.

[Anonymous No.12402770]

>>12402631
Didn't know your mom was that interested in going to space, she must really be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.12402778]

>>12402770
Cope

[Anonymous No.12402791]

>>12402761
Its my idea for a sci-fi story
It's set aboard generation ship, communication array gets damaged, so they have contact with the rest of humanity whatsoever. Generations later, every once in a while, they are observed by what they think are aliens, who at the end turn out to be an archeological/anthropological expeditions who consider the ship and its inhabitants completely obsolete.

[Anonymous No.12402800]

>>12402360
post it on instagram, idk

[Anonymous No.12402837]

>>12402778
>>12402631
C O P E. Why else would you worry about Starship not being able to get 150 t to orbit? Starship will still have the heaviest lift capacity until at least 2028 when Long March 9 is due and being able to lift that much hasn't yet proven useful with the heaviest object brought to space only being 76 t, so roughly the weight of your sister. The main thing is that cost per kilogram to orbit will get so low that it enables cheap on-orbit assembly of large objects.

[Anonymous No.12402855]

>>12402837
Mega cope :)
Sounds like Elon's advertising has clouded your mind. Starship is vapour at this point, and progress is choking. I read an article on business insider that Elon is getting nervous because Starship is too slow. Your autism king will fall soon

[Anonymous No.12402861]

>>12402855

[Anonymous No.12402867]

>>12402861
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.12402876]

>>12402855
thanks phil

[Anonymous No.12402896]

>>12402735
t.shelby

[Anonymous No.12402897]

>>12402867
k

[Anonymous No.12402904]

>>12402837
he got the correct answer in the first reply
>>12402635
he didn't respond to it of course because he's not actually interested in the correct answer he's interested in shit stirring

[Anonymous No.12403011]

>>12402427
That thing even looks like someone just put it together in Kerbal

[Anonymous No.12403014]

An Ode to SLS

I do remember one thing
It took decades and decades but
By the time they were done with it
Industry was so involved, I didn't know what to think
Congress carried it around for years and years
Playing little games
Like not funding it for a whole day
And then, funding it, to see if they still liked it
THEY DID
I repeat my work when it's cost plus
I repeat my work when it's cost plus
I repeat my work when it's cost plus
I repeat my work when it's cost plus
I repeat
The more I look at it, the more I like it
I do think it's good
The fact is
No matter how closely I audit it
No matter how I take it apart
No matter how I break it down
It remains consistent
I wish you were here to see it

[Anonymous No.12403038]

Why do landers have a difficult time landing on the Moon? People in the 1960s figured it out without computers to help them.

[Anonymous No.12403057]

>>12403038
did nasa attempt and flub a lunar landing recently?
the only failed landing i heard of is the israeli one
the chinks don't seem to have any problem with it

[Anonymous No.12403060]

>>12403057
The Poos crashed too.

[Anonymous No.12403065]

>>12403038
The Apollo missions were nothing short of miraculous. I mean just check this shit out: https://youtu.be/kFSa6vUix70?t=518

>Hey, there it is! There it is! Son-of-a-gun! Right down the middle of the road!!!
Their excitement is amazing. It's also hilarious how one of them is so hyped that he's calling his co-pilot "babe".

[Anonymous No.12403101]

>>12402399
this. its so fucking irritating that norms associate the space shuttle with LITERALLY everything. heck they even call the falcon 9 a space shuttle. maybe once starship is launching dozens of times a day they'll stop

[Anonymous No.12403121]

>>12403101
they are?
>t. clueless non-american

[Anonymous No.12403132]

>>12403101
>>12403121
Americans work for a living, usually 60+ hours a week. Nobody has time to learn the nuances of esoteric subjects.

[Anonymous No.12403150]

>>12403132
still, why associate everything with the shuttle of all things, and not the saturn v

[Anonymous No.12403152]

>>12403150
what's a saturn v?

[Anonymous No.12403155]

>>12403150
The Shuttle existed for 30 years and most people alive grew up with it. Every launch was shown on live TV. Maybe shuttle is a generic word to Americans, like google = search, coke = soda, or kleenex = tissue.

[Anonymous No.12403159]

>>12403038
Not really, landing on the Moon is easy because you don't have to worry about aerodynamic and heat issue, just need enough delta-v.

[Anonymous No.12403170]

>>12403159
yeah, but you can't aerobreake
every landing is propulsive landing from orbital speed to 0

[Anonymous No.12403182]

>>12403170
>>12403159
the recent failed landings are from newcomers in their early years of space flight and/or not much budget relatively speaking, gotta give them some slack

[Anonymous No.12403188]

>>12403182
India trying to land on the moon while their colonizers, the Brits, don't even have a space program

[Anonymous No.12403193]

>>12403057
>>12403182
>>12403188

i must say though that the chinks are impressive
from zero to the closest US rival in just what? 2-3 decades?

[Anonymous No.12403197]

>>12403038
Top tier pilots > computers

There is a reason commercial airplanes still land manually rather than going to full autopilot for landings

[Anonymous No.12403206]

>>12403193
They're still in the 70s, maybe 80s in terms of spaceflight. Just look at their space station. It's little more than a mashup between Mir and Skylab. They are trying though since they're they're working on things like managing large satellite constellations and developing re-usable rockets, but they've got a long way to go to catch up with the US.

[Anonymous No.12403212]

>>12403197
because commercial airlines have stagnated and boeing has no incentive to innovate

[Anonymous No.12403218]

>>12403206
>It's little more than a mashup between Mir and Skylab.
What about the Chinese space station project warrants a Skylab comparison?

[Anonymous No.12403219]

>>12403197
>Top tier pilots > computers
Depends on the situation and amount of data.
Good luck finding any human that can consistently land a Falcon stage with a machine-perfect hover-slam on 0.whatever% fuel. Limited testing, unknown surface conditions, then you may be better off with pilots. Still more likely an issue of inexperience though.

[Anonymous No.12403241]

>>12403218
Both Skylab and the Chinese station have telescopes as a major part of the station.

[Anonymous No.12403254]

>WHEN IS LAUNCH?
>DID IT LAUNCH?
>IT IS TODAY?

[Anonymous No.12403257]

>>12401994
>>12402193

[Anonymous No.12403347]

I'm sorry bros, but SpaceX is finished. So many scrubs and delays. There's no way they can compete. I guess I'm a boing stan now.

[Anonymous No.12403371]

>>12401994
>>12402325

[Anonymous No.12403372]

Someone stated a fusion general /fus/.
Hope it becomes regular like sfg

[Anonymous No.12403375]

>>12403371
Any word on when s2 is coming yet?

[Anonymous No.12403378]

>>12403375
Feb. 19

[Anonymous No.12403380]

>>12403378
Jesus, it got slid back that long?

[Anonymous No.12403381]

>>12403372
ITAR must be their SLS. Is there even a SpaceX of fusion? It's all too early to have something to talk about day to day.

[Anonymous No.12403388]

>>12403241
Just because they both have telescopes doesn't make them comparable. Skylab had a set of small solar telescopes, extremely niche. The Chinese Station Telescope would be a major observatory even by today's standards, being very comparable to ESA's Euclid and NASA's WFIRST. I doubt they will ever build it, but the concept is far more advanced than Skylab. 2 meter space telescopes with wide fields of view didn't exist in the fucking 80's, none have even launched now.

[Anonymous No.12403400]

>>12403388
>Skylab had a set of small solar telescopes, extremely niche.
I thought the Apollo Telescope Mount was one of the key features of Skylab?

[Anonymous No.12403402]

>>12403381
>ITAR
International Thermonuclear Axperimental Reactor

[Anonymous No.12403415]

>>12403402
lmao fuck. I've got ITAR on the brain because rockets and I rarely think about fusion.

[Anonymous No.12403424]

>>12403400
It was big but the telescopes were small. Solar astronomers liked it, but it was not a general purpose observatory.

[Anonymous No.12403456]

>>12403254
Seriously

[Anonymous No.12403467]

>>12403380
They weren't finished filming when covid shut everything down.

[Anonymous No.12403469]

>>12403467
That's still some serious time slid back.

[Anonymous No.12403478]

>>12403381
>>12403402
>JAXA
>Japanese Xpace Agency

[Anonymous No.12403483]

>>12403478
Japanese Aerospace eXploration Agency.

[Anonymous No.12403491]

What would we name our first colony, /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.12403492]

>>12403478
>>12403483
>ITER
>International Traffic in Erms Regulations

[Anonymous No.12403496]

>>12403491
Proontville.

[Anonymous No.12403503]

>>12403372
>fusion general
Retarded idea; should have just been a nuclear general to mop up the 10 "nuclear good/bad" threads that are made every day.
Progress in fusion is slow as fuck, almost as slow as oldspace even with private fusion. That general is as good as dead already.

[Anonymous No.12403508]

>>12402473
This picture just reminds us how better the world would have been if Russia won the cold war

[Anonymous No.12403513]

>>12401917
Keeping stuff cool in space is actually pretty easy, from what I understand. You essentially have a vacuum flask the size of the universe out there.

[Anonymous No.12403527]

>>12402399
>a form of transportation that travels regularly between two places.

Stupid normies.

[Anonymous No.12403531]

>>12403527
>a wooden device that travels the warp

[Anonymous No.12403541]

>>12402399
"NORMIES could be here" he thought, "I've never been on this site before. There could be NORMIES anywhere." The cool AC air felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE NORMIES" he thought. Numa Numa reverberated his entire basement, making it pulsate even as the $2 soda circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of normal people after daylight. "With the internet, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.12403568]

>>12403491

My favourite is Muskow.

[Anonymous No.12403582]

inb4 static fire failure today
inb4 the spacex drones chant "this is why we test" in unison
inb4 sn8 hop pushed to next year

[Anonymous No.12403587]

>>12403582
Jesus, zoomers would not have revived the 9 years after shuttle died.

[Anonymous No.12403604]

>>12403582
static fire isn't today

[Anonymous No.12403605]

>>12403582
Have some optimism

[Anonymous No.12403607]

>>12403587
Zoomers would have committed sudoku if they grew up watching Challenger like I did.

[Anonymous No.12403608]

>>12403582
Gay post

[Anonymous No.12403610]

>>12403491
24 XÆn-D

[Anonymous No.12403626]

>>12403604
elon said static fire is today, hop has been delayed >>12402701

[Anonymous No.12403635]

>>12403587
>Columbia happened
>Shuttle gets canned
>Constellation is started but has problems
>Constellation gets canned too
>Nothing new in development for years until SpaceX gained momentum
>(American) Spaceflight legitimately regresses
>All while everyone in NASA pretends that everything is well
Raptors honking and eating themselves is pleasant compared to that era of spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.12403662]

>>12403635
It's amazing how fast SpaceX spoiled people. The ability to even bitch about a week of delays is a luxury compared to what the rest of the industry is doing right now.

[Anonymous No.12403672]

>>12403626
the closure today has been canceled. Unless the site is wrong: https://www.cameroncounty.us/spacex/

[Anonymous No.12403677]

>>12403662
meanwhile New Glenn has been in dev for almost a decade and it's still nowhere to be seen

[Anonymous No.12403688]

>>12403662
>people are spoiled
Nah, we've been promised space colonies for 60 years. If anything we're like an abused spouse.

[Anonymous No.12403699]

>>12403677
Kinda sounds like Old Glenn now.

>>12403688
T-they don't mean to keep letting us down, they're just tired. It was our fault really, they work so hard.

[Anonymous No.12403700]

>>12403677
New Glenn is real. You've seen it down at Kennedy. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the launch pad at the KSC...

[Anonymous No.12403716]

>>12403688
>always looking for the smallest reason to come crawling back to oldspace even though they haven't changed a thing
The abused spouse metaphor is pretty apt for the people bitching, but I don't know if it's for the reasons you recognize.

[Anonymous No.12403732]

>>12403582
Honks are a mild setback compared to the last 40 years of spaceflight LMAO

[Anonymous No.12403814]

>>12403491
New Rhodesia

[Anonymous No.12403844]

>>12402405
No.

[Anonymous No.12403859]

>>12403503
/sfg/ was "spacex water tank watcher general" for like the first two months, they'll either catch on or die
>>12403568
I like that best, but nobody remembered to mention pisslocks.

[Anonymous No.12403919]

>>12401088
If you pretend to not know about accidental germ pollution while making that argument you are just an hypocrite. Spacemen in bulky suit are just going to feed the dirt into machines anyway. "Repair" will be swapping parts. Crewed land-spaceship are not cost or time-efficient.
You are not helping space progress with contrarianism. You'll love when we have 10 remote-robot per astronaut doing the work of 100 EVA.

>>12401134
>What part of Mars having the most favorable combination of mineral wealth and accessibility is so difficult for you to comprehend?
The part where both are false, empty and based on the wishful belief you'll "easily" get the processing plant and factory to build anything useful, locally.
By your logic Mars is far less capable of supporting a population on its own. It will need supply for century, terraforming is both ridiculously costly and pointless on the long term. It's overall more difficult than making a moonbase self-sufficient and less interesting.

>You need to colonize many of them and network them together.
You can't move that goalpost. A single NEO asteroid would feed Earth or Space factory for decades, with mineral or reaction mass, enough to build the real fleet you'd need to "colonize" Mars or do anything useful for mankind.

The people who made those infographics have actual plans to make everyone profit, it's more than Mars fanboy hoping to trigger a sunken cost fallacy with a manned flag planting stunt.
You are like a kid asking why we don't follow a plan that would take 1000years with no benefit, when everyone is putting money on a 100years long plan that would make yours possible in 500y.

I prefer to believe you are just being contrarian because 4chan and you actually accept that Mars will only be a PR-stunt until the smart guy develop and test the technologies and do the biological study to make a profit of the moon.

[Anonymous No.12403927]

>>12403491
I want to be one of the underground dwellers and smell like a rat

[Anonymous No.12403928]

>>12401911
why is there water? does water play any role?

[Anonymous No.12403952]

>>12403491
Braunau

[Anonymous No.12403991]

>>12402473
There are persistent rumors that the USMC SUSTAIN concept may have been more than just a concept.

[Anonymous No.12404009]

>>12403197
Bullshit.
The pilot is only there to make decision and give order to the computer.
Your "manual landing" is the result of superior algorithms monitoring thousands of parameters and generating a flight path too perfect to be human work.

And airplane were built to be easy to pilot in the first place. No sane human could handle suicide-burn like >>12403219.

[Anonymous No.12404012]

How long until we see the first independent country on Mars?

[Anonymous No.12404017]

>>12403491
Burroughs

[Anonymous No.12404028]

>>12403197
>There is a reason commercial airplanes still land manually rather than going to full autopilot for landings
yeah, legal responsibility for accidents
if you crash, it's your fault
if your autopilot crashes, it's Boing's fault

[Anonymous No.12404035]

>>12404012
Eleven

[Anonymous No.12404058]

>>12404017
Only if it's an underground colony.

[Anonymous No.12404070]

Elon this, Bridenstine that. What about the contributions of regular space folk?

>Arlena Moses, 45th Weather Squadron launch weather officer, and 45th Weather Squadron Airmen discuss operations prior to the Falcon 9 Starlink L-8 launch at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida, on June 13, 2020

[Anonymous No.12404075]

>>12403492
Damn, y’all are still making fun of me for my ITER post like a month ago? lmao

[Anonymous No.12404080]

>>12404070
get out of the way

[Anonymous No.12404081]

>>12403541
Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.12404084]

>>12402743
>make FUDite claim
>if it happens, I'm right and spaceX fans cope forever
>if I'm wrong nobody will remember it anyway

[Anonymous No.12404090]

>>12404028

This is precisely why automated drivi

[Anonymous No.12404091]

>>12404070
So that's why KSC keeps scrubbing.

[Anonymous No.12404105]

>>12404090
hello orenigger

[Anonymous No.12404131]

Military to launch a cislunar satellite in Q4 2022
>the Defense Deep Space Sentinel (D2S2) is designed “to demonstrate...a variety of deep space missions, including domain awareness, rendezvous/proximity operations, space servicing, space object removal and recovery, and other applications in defensive space operations
>“The D2S2 will...travel from GEO to several different lunar orbit regimes, including Earth-Moon Lagrangian points, halo orbits, and the associated modeling for environmental and orbital dynamics in these regimes”
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/space-force-afrl-to-demo-mobile-lunar-spy-sat/

[Anonymous No.12404145]

>>12402761
>it's still expensive to create spaceship parts on Earth
Luckily the Starship program is also working on making space vehicles cheap to construct.
>Secondly, there's no point building a generation ship now or for a very long while
I agree, and it's dumb to go for a generation ship as a first step after farting around with the ISS for decades.
I think it makes more sense to build a rotating station (say, end-to-end connected 8m diameter modules in a ring 100 meters wide that spins to generate a small centripetal acceleration). This would let us work out the real-world kinks of how to do rotating space installations, as well as act as a construction platform in space for building things out of simpler hardware than prefabricated modules (ie rolls of steel sheet metal, steel cabling).
Big space construction projects are most useful when operating around low gravity objects, for example a big space habitat in the vicinity of Phobos would be great for living on while mining the tiny moon and building more habitats, giant propellant tanks, solar energy farms and so forth. I personally think that this pathway where we colonize Mars and start doing big things in Mars orbit is what will lead to the capability of colonizing the entire asteroid belt and outer solar system. If Mars' moons weren't there then I'd be arguing that colonizing our own Moon made the most sense as the fastest pathway, but as it stands the easier Martian environment combined with the super low gravity moons is a much more attractive pathway.

[Anonymous No.12404190]

>>12404070
It’s confusing for teenagers to love more than one person at a time

[Anonymous No.12404216]

When is the honk?

[Anonymous No.12404220]

>>12404216
>When is the honk?

[Anonymous No.12404223]

>>12404070
>>12404091
AWWWWW MAAAAAANNNN SCRUB DAT SHIEEET!

[Anonymous No.12404228]

>>12404145
The outermost moon of every planet is going to be a good place for a rotating-gravity space port, to minimize the delta-V requirements for interplanetary transfer. This is especially important for Jupiter since LJO capture/escape is like 34km/s delta-V.

[Anonymous No.12404232]

>>12404228
is there ever any reason to go to LJO

[Anonymous No.12404234]

>>12404232
Study of Jupiter itself, or if we manage to completely exhaust the useful volatiles from the other gas giants.

[Anonymous No.12404245]

>>12404131
>cone of shame
aka SLS

[Anonymous No.12404256]

>>12404232
Everything must be turned into computronium, everything.

[Anonymous No.12404269]

>>12404256
>turns Jupiter into pure computronium
>KSP still lags due to memory leaks

[Anonymous No.12404303]

Where will Jim go?

[Anonymous No.12404309]

>>12404303
low jupiter orbit

[Anonymous No.12404331]

>>12404303
low jupiter orbit

[Anonymous No.12404332]

>>12404269
Bet my new 5900x will still lag when it arrives.
>Unity engine
>It just LAGS

[Anonymous No.12404351]

>>12404303
He'll join the Blue Man's group.

[Anonymous No.12404389]

>>12404090
heads down anons, there's a sniper in this thread

[Anonymous No.12404396]

>>12404232
Not for us at our current level of technology and probably not even once we have a Dyson swarm on the way.

[Anonymous No.12404397]

>>12404070
Yeah, what about the stories of the janitors and chefs that feed and clean after them? Those are the REAL heroes.

[Anonymous No.12404411]

>>12404397
not spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12404433]

>>12404070
>What about the contributions of regular space folk?
F for all the fingers the cowboy engineer anons lost while trying to make their own rockets

[Anonymous No.12404450]

>>12404411
Astronauts and workers need their bellies fed and buildings/controls cleaned.

[Anonymous No.12404456]

>>12404131
>>“The D2S2 will...travel from GEO to several different lunar orbit regimes, including Earth-Moon Lagrangian points, halo orbits, and the associated modeling for environmental and orbital dynamics in these regimes”
That's a lot of delta-V for a satellite.

[Anonymous No.12404471]

>>12404456
That's the primary mission, the test out "extreme orbit mobility."

[Anonymous No.12404485]

>>12404389
*Highgrades your orebody*

[Anonymous No.12404490]

>>12404471
>The Defense Deep Space Sentinel (D2S2) is being designed as a pathfinder “to demonstrate extreme mobility of small satellites via advanced electric propulsion and compact power system technologies
>The D2S2 will fly high-power, light weight solar arrays with small, highly efficient electric propulsion to travel from GEO to several different lunar orbit regimes, including Earth-Moon Lagrangian points, halo orbits, and the associated modeling for environmental and orbital dynamics in these regimes
And of course this is all going to be classified out the wazoo because the Space Force wants hunter-killer sats that can chase down civilian spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.12404504]

>>12404490
Space pirates will be a serious threat some day and everyone will be clinging their spacecraft around those USSF hunter-killer sats for protection

[Anonymous No.12404519]

>>12404504
I am going to laze the shit out of your hunter killer sat

[Anonymous No.12404522]

>>12403491
This is missing the pisslocks

[Anonymous No.12404529]

>>12404504
>space pirate
We can't have stealth and even space warfare may have no reason to exist.
You have to build a story very carefully to give them a niche at all.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/pirate.php

[Anonymous No.12404533]

>>12404303
shill for SpaceX in congress

[Anonymous No.12404538]

>>12403491
Fort Chan

[Anonymous No.12404555]

>>12404504
space pirates would (will?) be less like blackbeard and more like airplane hijackers

[Anonymous No.12404579]

>>12404490
The public reason is because of the Chinese boogeyman. The private reason is because it's cool.

[Anonymous No.12404582]

>>12404529
>We can't have stealth
Piracy doesn't necessarily need stealth. They could just wait near a space port just outside of intercept range and dive in on anyone leaving. Also this >>12404555.
>even space warfare may have no reason to exist.
Explain.

[Anonymous No.12404584]

>>12404579
I like the idea of the Space Force building killsats. I'm just bummed they're not sharing cool electric propulsion and lightweight solar panels, although I understand why.

[Anonymous No.12404590]

>>12404529
>We can't have stealth

You believe that based on faith.

> and even space warfare may have no reason to exist.

Humans existing means there’s reason for war.

[Anonymous No.12404610]

>>12404590
>There Ain't No Stealth In Space.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/misconceptions.php#id--There_Ain%27t_No_Stealth_In_Space

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php

[Anonymous No.12404620]

>>12403919
You sure said a lot for someone without any substantive counterarguments. The Moon is a terminal dependent, as I pointed out, which you have no argument for. I gave you the opportunity to provide some counter-point by evidencing this asteroid with its mythical properties that make it a better base than Mars and you refuse, all you have is "muh NEO", not recognizing that they have the same problem as the moon, stripped as they are of their volatiles.
Also, robots suck and you're a fucking retard if you think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12404634]

>>12404303
low solar orbit

[Anonymous No.12404641]

>>12404634
Hardcore

[Anonymous No.12404648]

>>12404610
>page about detection in space
>most of it is about rebuttals of stealth in space instead of the nuances of identifying spacecraft
More could've been said about the differences between detection, identification, and targeting.

[Anonymous No.12404654]

SLS based manned Venus lander when

[Anonymous No.12404655]

>>12404648
Go yell at @Nyrath on Twitter then. He takes feedback.

[Anonymous No.12404660]

SLS based E2E transporter when?

[Anonymous No.12404664]

>>12404660
imagine the green runs

[Anonymous No.12404666]

>>12404654
SLS can't even send people to the lunar poles. How can it send people to Venus?

[Anonymous No.12404667]

>>12404654
>manned
>Venus
>lander
hmmmmmmmmm no

[Anonymous No.12404668]

>>12404664
*cost overruns

[Anonymous No.12404672]

>>12404660
>four billion dollars to transport four people from the Cape to the gulf of Mexico
>this takes six months and requires going to the moon

[Anonymous No.12404674]

>>12404654
Anon has a point.
Venusfags deserve the SLS.

[Anonymous No.12404716]

>>12404529
Who here gonna be space pirate gang

[Anonymous No.12404721]

>>12404131
This looks like a completely pointless endeavor for any part of the DOD to undertake, but I’m glad they’re getting involved in non Earth-orbit concerns finally.

[Anonymous No.12404763]

>>12404555
No, they’ll be like reavers.

[Anonymous No.12404769]

When is the 15km flight?
Whether it lands or craters, it'll be exciting

[Anonymous No.12404778]

>>12404763
*space wolves

[Anonymous No.12404801]

>>12404769
Starship is canceled.

[Anonymous No.12404818]

>>12404778

[Anonymous No.12404833]

>>12404582
>They could just wait near a space port just outside of intercept range and dive in on anyone leaving
...where they'll be seen from everywhere in the system then tracked down by space police anywhere they could hope to go.
The best you can hope are Privateers aka Mercenary.

>>12404590
see >>12404610
As for space warfare, I meant that any "fight" you have could be ridiculously tame because any explosion would trigger a Kessler syndrome. (on the plus side, this is how I justify space marine boarding station with swords)
This is assuming one side don't want to genocide the other side, point at which you don't need warship but a relativistic kill vehicle and enough missiles for smaller targets.

>>12404648
>detection
That battle is already lost unless you introduce superscience or FTL

>identification
Unless you introduce game changer like small universal factory capable of making unique spaceship without a long supply chain you won't have trouble knowing the exact model of a ship, its usual mass and an universe without proper IFF is doomed.

>targeting
Best I give you is an effective range, but once in that range one or both ship will go down. No evasion.

>>12404716
Count me in.

[Anonymous No.12404834]

>>12404721
Lunar activity is picking up. Either they get with the program and stay ahead of the game or they fall behind and are stuck playing catch up.

[Anonymous No.12404853]

>>12404833
>...where they'll be seen from everywhere in the system then tracked down by space police anywhere they could hope to go.
You make it sound like the police would be everywhere instead of concentrated in areas where security is highest in demand and logistics can support them.
>That battle is already lost unless you introduce superscience or FTL
How so? There is a difference between knowing that something potentially unfriendly is out there, and knowing how much of a threat it is and what should be done. Also a difference between knowing a threat, and being able to do something about it.
>an universe without proper IFF is doomed.
How so?

[Anonymous No.12404856]

why would you want to go to space when all the cute girls are here?

[Anonymous No.12404871]

>>12404856
Cute girls want to go to space too

[Anonymous No.12404876]

>>12404871
>Anna L. Fisher
That’s unfortunate.

[Anonymous No.12404883]

>>12404856
To bring women to space. Bras aren't necessary in micro-g

[Anonymous No.12404898]

>>12404833
>Technology will never improve
>Science will never change

Can someone explain this new religion?

[Anonymous No.12404903]

>>12404871
man face

[Anonymous No.12404940]

>>12404903
Plastic face

[Anonymous No.12404955]

>>12404903

[Anonymous No.12404958]

>>12404955
gook mogging the waegookin

[Anonymous No.12404972]

>in a alternative timeline elon gave up after a while and spaceX never came in to existence
>and we end up with a bunch of astronauts dying on starliner.
Would probably have been the end for manned spaceflight for the US and it would be the final nail on nasa.

[Anonymous No.12404982]

Looks like rocket survived entry well enough. Parts will be reused.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/about-us/updates/how-to-bring-a-rocket-back-from-space/

[Anonymous No.12404990]

>>12404955
brutal mogg. asianfags seehting

[Anonymous No.12404995]

>>12404955
Why do all of them look so uncomfortable?

[Anonymous No.12404996]

>>12404982
>No pictures

[Anonymous No.12405002]

>>12404853
Sorry “anon” but your sci fiction novella is just that, fiction

[Anonymous No.12405013]

>>12404982
lmao "parts". peter, just give up. we already know electron ruthy engines are toast, so there's no point. this is all a ploy for investors, photon proves rocket lab is getting OUT of the rocket business

[Anonymous No.12405016]

>>12405002
Based

[Anonymous No.12405024]

>>12404871>>12404940
kike face

[Anonymous No.12405027]

>>12404833
>As for space warfare, I meant that any "fight" you have could be ridiculously tame because any explosion would trigger a Kessler syndrome. (on the plus side, this is how I justify space marine boarding station with swords)
kessler syndrome is a meme lol

[Anonymous No.12405034]

>>12405024
Even better, I like jewish girls

[Anonymous No.12405045]

>>12405027
You aren't kidding. The amount of FUD about conjunctions is hilarious if it weren't so crippling to space progress. If you're afraid of collisions, stop building weak pussy satellites.
>waaaa but we'll never be able to leave earth bc le space junk
it's all misanthropic bullshit. you cant "pollute" space, as it was some pristine environment to begin with. it's a fucking vacuum. and there will be no chain reaction, do these retard know how fuckhuge space is???

[Anonymous No.12405051]

>>12403065
12 is truly maxcomfy, they were such bros

[Anonymous No.12405055]

Does anyone have that pic of the astronauts fighting during an eva with pipe wrenches and shit?

[Anonymous No.12405059]

>>12405045
Well satellite toughness is sort of irrelevant at the speeds attainable in orbit, so I don’t think that’s a valid solution. Nigga

[Anonymous No.12405062]

>>12404853
>You make it sound like the police would be everywhere instead of concentrated in areas where security is highest in demand and logistics can support them.
You misunderstand.
The problem is not police being elsewhere. It's that line of sight in space extend everywhere, light lag is barely a bother.
Old sea pirates would disappear behind the horizon, few would live to remember their ships, they didn't need specialized repair, plus no radio to share the info.
In space having multiple 360° IR scan with 100% recognition would be child play for a future civilization. Once the pirate is identified it will be impossible for them to escape, sell their loot and pretend to be another ship. Police will identify them share with everytone and plot an intercept.

>difference between knowing that something potentially unfriendly is out there, and knowing how much of a threat it is and what should be done
I think you got it wrong. I meant that you need FTL to be able to hide at all. Because the expected future technology will not let you hide, a ship threat level will be recognized immediately.

>>an universe without proper IFF is doomed.
>How so?
Should be obvious, today a plane can destroy a tower. But at spaceship speed a cargo box would destroy a space elevator.
If you are incapable of knowing what ship is >9000% safe and registered, you don't have a "space pirate setting", you have a "who the fuck nuked everyone's spaceports? setting".

>>12404898
You better be trolling to misunderstand that hard.
Most reasonable way technology can evolve will make those problems worse (better detection, less stealth).
And the other "magic" technology (that goes against our understanding of physics) would risk allowing instant genocide.
Like relativistic kill missile teleporting FTL in front of whatever is most important to you.

[Anonymous No.12405065]

>>12405055
Here you go.

[Anonymous No.12405073]

>>12405065
saved

[Anonymous No.12405083]

>>12404529
>We can't have stealth
Sure you can. Put a plate of metal refrigerated down to microwave background temperature between you and whatever you're trying to sneak by, and have the radiator on the hot side of your refrigerator mounted to emit infrared light perpendicular to the line of sight of whatever you're hiding from.
It doesn't work if you're surrounded by eyes, but it totally works if you're sneaking by a lone target.

[Anonymous No.12405089]

>>12405073
I think the term is "Witnessed"

[Anonymous No.12405091]

>>12404666
Don't ask questions, just continue to draw up mission plans and keep funding SLS

[Anonymous No.12405098]

>>12405083
I think there's a common assumption that space would be monitored at all times from multiple different angles like some kind of orbital nanny-state. Really the discussion shouldn't be about stealth, but rather information denial. Like how the USAF use the X-37B to perform experiments in space without other countries seeing what's going on.

[Anonymous No.12405101]

>>12405083
>it work if I everyone is stupid, I'm ridiculously lucky and my spaceship have impossible level engineering.

Also it's covered in
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php#id--Strategic_Combat_Sensors--There_Ain't_No_Stealth_In_Space--Why_Not?_Let_me_count_the_ways--Well_I'll_just_beam_my_heat_the_other_way!
I won't say you can't have any "aspect" of stealth, but it will require writing the entire plot and technology to justify that one and only time.

[Anonymous No.12405105]

>>12405098
>I think there's a common assumption that space would be monitored at all times from multiple different angles like some kind of orbital nanny-state.
Also that useful drive signatures are capable of being monitored in real time multiple light minutes away. Absent that, all you need to do is hide behind a rock and snipe someone's comm array as they float by.

[Anonymous No.12405110]

>>12405062
Just invent invisibility lol

[Anonymous No.12405116]

>>12405105
>useful drive
What is a "useful drive"? Anything more powerful than chemical engines? Anything more powerful than an atomic engine? Anything more powerful than a wet fart?

[Anonymous No.12405120]

>>12405110
I'll put it on my to-do list after the remote that teleport antimatter bomb across the galaxy unto captain Kirk bridge.

[Anonymous No.12405126]

>>12405116
Usually "anything that you need"
Because you can't afford to cruise for 20years (and it wouldn't work either)
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php#id--Strategic_Combat_Sensors--There_Ain't_No_Stealth_In_Space--Why_Not?_Let_me_count_the_ways--Well_I'll_Just_Make_A_Burn_Then_Coast

[Anonymous No.12405128]

>>12404833
>I meant that any "fight" you have could be ridiculously tame because any explosion would trigger a Kessler syndrome.
First of all, probably not, and second of all triggering kessler syndrome is a fine objective in itself, especially if your own space infrastructure is inferior to your opponent's and your opponent relies heavily on their space assets.
A war between Mars and Earth for example could devolve into "whoever fills the opponent's orbits with gravel first wins uncontested space access for the next few hundred years", which is something that obviously a favorable strategy for Mars because of their low escape velocity and small industrial base compared to Earth. It's an even more favorable strategy for anyone living in the asteroid belt, because it's pretty much impossible to cause kessler syndrome in the asteroid belt AND anyone with industry in the asteroid belt has the ultimate high ground advantage.
I personally hope that we get to a point of significant industrial capacity in the asteroid belt before any wars break out in space, because once we have the colonization of the asteroid belt underway we will truly be able to break away from Earth's influences. A physical war between Earth and the asteroid belt is unwinnable on the side of the forces of Earth, even if they have the Moon under total control. The asteroid colonies could adjust the orbits of a few NEOs after mounting point defense lasers and dirt shotguns, and have those million-to-trillion-ton rubble piles slam into Earth anywhere to cripple the planet, and there's nothing Earth would be able to do about it.

[Anonymous No.12405129]

>>12404955
North Italy is full of the most beautiful girls it's insane

[Anonymous No.12405135]

>>12405116
A "useful drive signature" as in something that can uniquely identify a spacecraft. In an era of mass produced engines that's not gonna be easy.
>be space pirates
>hijack big freighter
>rip the engines off and put them on smaller chase boat
>drive signature is still a freighter

[Anonymous No.12405137]

>>12405126
I was just wondering what "useful drive" meant in that context.
>>12405135
Thanks for clearing that up.

[Anonymous No.12405138]

>>12405129
they're unironically goblinas but I agree

[Anonymous No.12405146]

>>12405034
>Ashkenazi areolas

[Anonymous No.12405160]

>>12405059
The idea is, even if you have kessler syndrome going on, you can just install a ten-layer-deep wiffle shield onto the exterior of your spacecraft, launch it into a very low Earth orbit, then transfer up to a high Earth orbit (above the debris cloud). It's a bit of a headache but it's doable. You'd only need to do that a few dozen times too, because you'd be launching satellites to cruise around in MEO deorbiting debris by laser ablation.

[Anonymous No.12405162]

>>12405160
>deorbiting debris by laser ablation.
Operation Shoop da Woop.

[Anonymous No.12405167]

>>12405062
>proper IFF
what is IFF

[Anonymous No.12405173]

>>12405128
I did say GENOCIDE is always on the table.
And yes "asteroid" (mobile space habitat supported by mining) would be the most survivable civilization, save of Dyson swarm.

>Belter for the win

>>12405160
It's always doable but at some point you may no longer afford the armor, tracking every single 'important' debris and the timing needed.

>>12405167
Identification Friend of Foe

[Anonymous No.12405174]

>>12405128
If the belters can move asteroids so can the earthlings.

Just stop to think for a second before posting.

[Anonymous No.12405182]

>>12405160
Kessler is a meme but if it's around anywhere without an Earth or better tier atmosphere just put lasers on the surface and kick debris into a graveyard orbit rather than deorbiting it, easier because you don't have to launch anything and lasers are inefficient hogs that require a shitton of power and cooling.

[Anonymous No.12405205]

>>12405101
Having a cold plate is not an impossible level of engineering, come on.
Luck is required to be completely undetected, in reality you're using your cold plate to get 90% closer to a target you're going to rob before they spot you, so luck only plays a role insofar as how close you manage to get before you're spotted.
Nobody needs to be stupid in this scenario. Asteroid belt pirates will be a thing, because the technological barrier to achieving a useful amount of delta V when 90% of the objects have milli-gee gravity and most 'vehicles' are slowboat space habitats with factories on one end is very small. You can literally have people repurposing scrap metal, old solar panels, off-the-shelf valves, and universal air recyclers into viable steam-kettle rocket powered vehicles for hopping from asteroid to asteroid, or station to station. Of course in that case you aren't worrying about stealth anyway, stealth is for secret military vehicles that go flyby target stations and objects while maintaining minimal IR signature. Again, the stealth just lets your spy-sat get much closer before being spotted, it's not about being totally undetected. You can also build in some information denial on the probe too, if anything gets too close it could just detonate a 10 kt onboard nuke and evaporate into a rapidly expanding cloud of plasma and tiny bits of debris moving at greater than solar escape velocity.

[Anonymous No.12405207]

>>12405173
it only makes sense, the best strategy in space is throwing rocks, and belters have the most rocks

[Anonymous No.12405215]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAAAA

[Anonymous No.12405220]

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1333537793335693312
>Tom Mueller
>I retired from SpaceX today! Thank you @elonmusk, it was quite a ride!

[Anonymous No.12405222]

>>12405205
no

[Anonymous No.12405224]

>>12405215
Gib us moar moneys!

[Anonymous No.12405226]

>>12405215
It's not like it was going to launch in the next 5 years anyway

[Anonymous No.12405229]

>>12405215

[Anonymous No.12405231]

>>12405215
I mean I'm glad that they caught it before flight, but 10 years of development and they're still having problems?

[Anonymous No.12405234]

>>12405215
They can't be serious

[Anonymous No.12405239]

>>12405231
that's what happens when the product sits in a warehouse for a decade

[Anonymous No.12405240]

>>12405174
>If the belters can move asteroids so can the earthlings.
So what are the earthlings gonna try to hit with the asteroids they're moving? Other asteroids?
The advantage that the belters have is that Earth is one big ass hanging out of a car window just begging to be smacked. The belters on the other hand may have Ceres and Vesta built up with some settlements, but they almost certainly could afford to evacuate and abandon those big targets in the event that Earth tried throwing rocks. Also, Earth is never going to be totally united, and it's far more likely that whatever aggressor nation or nations are fighting a war with space are going to face more and more hostilities from other Earth nations trying to stay neutral who don't want to get fucked in the crossfire. Therefore, asteroid belt colonies defeat Earth, the moment that they have the capability of adjusting NEO orbits.
Just stop to think for a second before posting.

[Anonymous No.12405244]

>>12405215
Are you still wondering why that one astronaut decided to rather stay alive than fly boing!

[Anonymous No.12405246]

>>12405207
Agreed, not only do the belters have rocks they also don't live in a steep gravity gradient and thus have no fear of generating debris clouds at home. Everything has a pretty sedate relative velocity in the belt.

[Anonymous No.12405247]

>>12405220
I know people are going to doomerpost about this so I'm just going to include this as a reminder:
>I am an advisor now. Elon and the Propulsion department are leading development of the SpaceX engines, particularly Raptor. I offer my 2 cents to help from time to time

[Anonymous No.12405249]

>>12405215
fucking hell

>>12405231
I hope SpaceX's approach of just blowing shit up catches on. Reality is the best tester. The idea that you can bury your head in models for a decade and come out with a working product is bullshit.

>>12405220
Legend.

[Anonymous No.12405252]

>>12405222
oui oui
>>12405215
What the fuck lolol
A year to redesign a power circuit? Maybe try hiring a fucking electrician instead of an egg head.

[Anonymous No.12405255]

>>12405234
>it's-uuuh actu-ally fah worse than you-uuh think.

[Anonymous No.12405257]

>>12405215
I feel like they just made this up so they will have more time to do a bare-bone software integration test for SLS lmao

[Anonymous No.12405258]

>>12405247
he's been an advisor for years, now he's officially getting out...right when it's clear raptor is a dumster fire. he doesn't want his name on it

[Anonymous No.12405261]

>>12405220
>>12405247
This, Mueller hasn't been involved with Raptor development since 2016. It's all gonna be okay bros

[Anonymous No.12405262]

>>12405138
what do you mean they are unironically goblinas? they look like normal europeans.

[Anonymous No.12405267]

>>12405182
It's only a meme because it hasn't happened yet.
We've already lost satellite due to debris despite being at the start of commercial use of space. You can't expect to armor every single spaceship, solar panel, radiator and stations you have against hyperkinetic debris, plus the risk of a smaller vessel losing control and becoming a very large projectile with potential risk of explosion. You alsp don't want to have your spaceship forbidden to match velocity too close too quickly.

Hopefully you'll never know why it is a problem thanks to regulations keeping idiots in check.

Take this pic and imagine a transfer vehicle losing control or exploding into a shrapnel just as it was intercepting its destination.

[Anonymous No.12405272]

>>12405240
Not that guy just jumping in randomly to question the validity of this entire argument.
Moving an asteroid (at least one big enough to do world or continent-wide damage) is not something you do in a few days. It'll leave a trace (other people have had the stealth in space debate recently so I don't need to rehash that) and take years to do. The window of intervention would be wide as hell.

[Anonymous No.12405274]

>>12405220
Bros..

[Anonymous No.12405277]

>>12405220
Thank you for your service you absolute fucking legend.

[Anonymous No.12405288]

ITS legs might be coming back.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1333183238244855809

[Anonymous No.12405307]

>>12405272
I know, I never said it would be a days-long affair. They would do it by using plasma magnet sails to adjust the orbits of asteroids or even comets by a small amount, nothing that needed more than ~50 m/s of delta V, and that'd probably take months at least.
Another way they may do it is to pull an asteroid apart into chunks, then drag each of those big chunks as its own separate impactor in a swarm.
The takeaway is that it would not be hugely difficult to do this, but it WOULD be hugely difficult to stop it. You'd have to find and destroy every installation working on these impactors, across the entire volume of the asteroid belt, in order to prevent those impactors from being sent on their way. Once they are on their way they get more and more unstoppable as they approach; by the time a million ton rock is a million kilometers from Earth and approaching at a relative velocity of 1 km/s, it's already far too late. That rock is going to impact at ~12.5 km/s and kill any city it reenters over. The damage will actually be WORSE if it's a rubble pile rather than a monolith, too. A rubble pile entering the atmosphere at a steep angle produces effects similar to a casaba howitzer; a nuclear shaped-charge.

[Anonymous No.12405316]

>>12405288
I'm really interested in what solution they come up with
I wonder how long it's going to take for doomers to latch onto that tweet to produce new FUD

[Anonymous No.12405322]

Ariane stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTC3Qm5GLiE

[Anonymous No.12405323]

>>12405267
The kessler meme is not the idea that impacts happen, you mong. It's the idea that a cascade of destruction would engulf the entirety of low orbit. Your example wouldn't even be relevant to Kessler syndrome since it would be too high orbit.

[Anonymous No.12405324]

>>12405288
must be frustrating to get so close and find out something like the landing legs is the biggest thing holding you back

[Anonymous No.12405349]

>>12405288
make cuts elsewhere for better legs? I'm sure those "wings" are heavy

[Anonymous No.12405354]

>>12405288
>>12405316
>>12405324
I would assume they'll go with something like Moonship's legs in the render, they're somewhat akin to just mini-ITS legs.

[Anonymous No.12405367]

>>12405288
>problem with external legs is shielding
easy fix

[Anonymous No.12405369]

>>12405354
at least luna legs can be pretty wimpy. Urf legs have to be stronk. SS is pretty fucking heavy.

[Anonymous No.12405375]

>>12405367
email that to Ol'Musky asap

[Anonymous No.12405379]

Article 5. Gateway Elements

5.5 The Gateway is comprised of the following elements, although the Parties recognize these are subject to change in the course of the detailed design, development, and operation of the Gateway. The Parties intend for an up-to-date listing of all of the Gateway's elements to be maintained in accordance with Article 8 (Management).

(a) NASA:
1. Power and Propulsion
2. Habitation Capability
3. Avionics and Communications Infrastructure
4. Logistics Resupply
5. Crew Transportation
6. Extravehicular Activity (EVA) System

(b) CSA:
1. External Robotic Capability
2. External Robotics Interfaces
3. End-to-End External Robotic Operations

(c) ESA:
1. Habitation Capability (I-Hab)
2. Enhanced Lunar Communications
3. Refueling and Viewing Capability
4. European Service Modules in support of Orion missions

(d) The GOJ [Japan]:
1. Habitation Capability Infrastructure Functions
2. Logistics Resupply

(e) ROSCOSMOS:
1. Crew Airlock


Article 6. Major Program Milestones

6.1 Major target milestones are as follows:

(a) 2023 — Delivery of the first Gateway element, power and propulsion, to lunar orbit
(b) 2023 — Delivery of the initial habitation capability with enhanced lunar communications to the Gateway
(c) 2024 — Gateway ready for the first crewed mission
(d) 2025 — Delivery of additional habitation capability to the Gateway (I-Hab)
(e) 2026 — Delivery of external robotic capability to the Gateway
(f) 2027 — Delivery of refueling and viewing element to the Gateway
(g) 2028 — Delivery of the crew airlock to the Gateway

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20417948/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-nallonal-aeronautics-and-space-administration-of-tiie-united-states-of-america-and-the-european-space-agency-concerning-cooperation-on-the-civil-lunar-gateway.pdf

[Anonymous No.12405380]

>>12405220
The man, the myth, the legend

[Anonymous No.12405383]

>>12405215
why don't they just replace the power unit

[Anonymous No.12405395]

>>12405369
Luna legs need to carry a partially fueled Starship, Urf legs only need to carry an empty one
Mars legs need to carry a fully fueled Starship lmao

[Anonymous No.12405401]

>>12405215
>POOOOORK! POOOOORK! FEED US MORE POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK!
I wish I could hate people to death over TCP/IP.

[Anonymous No.12405405]

>>12405367
fixes the flame diverter problem too

[Anonymous No.12405406]

>>12405307
You're basically assuming that the victims of this asteroid operation would be the biggest stupidest drooling retards ever known. That's true on average, but not true of the people you're actually dealing with. The second (well, light minute) you start this operation you have all kinds of questions to answer. The population of rocks actually useful for the task is very small (very few asteroids are 50m/s of delta V from an Earth impact) and your actions with them would be watched like a hawk. You don't even have to worry about how they'd deflect the asteroid itself because the infrastructure you're using to move it would be vaporized long before that.

[Anonymous No.12405410]

The Axiom station has undergone some changes.
>Axiom has redesigned the former Node and Hab modules by combining them into a new core module designated Hub. This was likely done to ensure that the module can start immediately housing people right away rather than waiting for the Hab module to launch separately. The ISS is already low on sleeping berths currently.
>The observatory module, which was originally co-manifested with the Node module, looks to have been delayed in the launch order.
>It also appears from the renders that the CBM to IDA converter has been lengthened and now has a grapple attachment. The clearance to D2's nose cone looks much better
https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1333482553819467777

[Anonymous No.12405416]

>>12405383

You need to consider this angle: SLS + Orion is all about jobs. For any fix, you'll take the long route as that keeps people employed for as long as possible. It is like driving from point A to point B. In many cases, you pick the shortest route but in this case, you need to to the opposite, make it as long as possible, taking the scenic route.

[Anonymous No.12405417]

>>12405367
I doubt maneuvering thrusters could slow the ship down enough to avoid a crash down a few meters above the ground

[Anonymous No.12405423]

>>12405410
one of these days I'm going to hire a bunch of third worlder 3D modelers and have them put together a bunch of renders that I refer to in present tense as if they already exist just to scam investors who want to get in on the groundfloor of newspace

[Anonymous No.12405426]

>>12405369
>>12405395
At least some renders show them having extendo-legs tucked inside of those pods. So the very tips of the feet would probably be the only thing needing shielding of some kind, which you could do with carbon-carbon or thermal paint, probably something that will have to be regularly replaced since those feet are going to take a good beating if the ship is doing constant landings, even under ideal circumstances.

[Anonymous No.12405431]

>>12405426
Woops, pic related.

[Anonymous No.12405433]

>>12405410
>more concept art instead of physical hardware
yawn

[Anonymous No.12405437]

>>12405307
Okay dude, you’re right and space pirates are real. Sounds like a fun project for you over a /lit/. Bye have fun

[Anonymous No.12405441]

>>12405410
do they still plan to snatch and grab any ISS modules that look undefended?

[Anonymous No.12405449]

>>12405423
Axiom is just one of a decent handful of station concept peddlers that beat you to the punch there

[Anonymous No.12405459]

>>12405441
>and now has a grapple attachment
>2 grapples

They're getting bold, just how much of the ISS to they want to take with them when they seperate

[Anonymous No.12405460]

>>12405459
inb4 they just snib off the Russian bits and let them deorbit, stealing the entire rest of the ISS

[Anonymous No.12405462]

>>12405449
>4ASS CLOVER (Cylindrical Lightweight Orbital Vehicle and Earth Rendezvous)
>just a bunch of rolls of stainless steel nicked from Boca, an EV suit, a vacuum welding torch, and an IKEA manual

[Anonymous No.12405466]

>>12405449
Space stations are too bold. It needs to be something seemingly innocuous and achievable that will seem like a safe bet to naive investors like orbital assembly equipment or some kind of dumb EVA peripheral.

[Anonymous No.12405469]

>>12405460
>without the Russia section the American section cannot exist, without the American section the Russian section is pointless
>stick a bunch of AxHabs and Power Towers to the ISS, undock Zvezda and tell the Russians to pound sand

[Anonymous No.12405473]

>>12405462
Unironically would be the most believable yet. Better than all the guys with grandiose plans asking for mcbillions in seed funding for their ISS-tier autistic construction.

[Anonymous No.12405480]

why haven't one of you comp sci tards made the next killer app and sold it to Microsoft for two billion dollars yet? 4ass needs funding

[Anonymous No.12405481]

>>12405466
Arm wrestling, it must the for arm wrestling. America will assert it's dominance over the China by shaking them vigorously.

>>12405473
Obviously I'm oversimpifying, but for the physical bulk of a station I don't see why it's not viable. Starship can just straight up carry two 50 ton rolls of stainless into orbit and come back for more. Why go small? Why limit yourself to fitting inside a fairing?

[Anonymous No.12405482]

>>12405410
that observatory would be sick tho

[Anonymous No.12405486]

>>12405480
working on it chief

[Anonymous No.12405494]

>>12405486
what the fuck is happening with gamestop?
I did some software consulting with them a few years ago and they were a mess internally

[Anonymous No.12405500]

>>12405462
>>just a bunch of rolls of stainless steel nicked from Boca, an EV suit, a vacuum welding torch, and an IKEA manual
>the crew reentry plan is a swift boot in the ass and a MOOSE pack
>still less dangerous than the shuttle

>>12405469
The trusses, panels, and radiators are all American, right? All you'd need is an oversized service module and Axiom could transform the ISS to the McSS on day one.

[Anonymous No.12405507]

>>12405473
I suggested a smallsat lander for the moon once, but that got ignored.

[Anonymous No.12405508]

>>12405500
>ISS?
>no, this is Space Station Freedom

[Anonymous No.12405516]

>>12405480
My startup is growing but still not profitable. I do have a nebulous plan to get it involved in spaceflight in case in succeeds though?

[Anonymous No.12405532]

>>12405507
I was talking about relative to the crop of active station proposals anon. Also there is some dude actually doing a smallsat lander service to the moon. Power, space, and per kg costs are damn high though. A small rocket that needs both high dV and decent t/w is never going to be that good.

[Anonymous No.12405544]

>>12405146
Needs pit hair

[Anonymous No.12405574]

>>12405473
This, just build an inflatable balloon station around a cylindrical steel framework with an extremely cramped Soyuz style reentry capsule that has just enough propellant to deorbit itself over a chosen state, say Texas or Nevada.
Make it big enough for two or three people to live relatively comfortably for like a month or two as proof of concept, send them home safely, start picking up fat checks to send up more and better stations.
You could probably do it with less than a ten million dollar budget, but that would be fucking tiny for a space project involving sending people to actually live in space for significant periods of time.
Consider that Copenhagen Suborbital's tiny Spica rocket will probably only cost a total of maybe two million US from development to launch, budget five minimum for the station with room to expand to eight if necessary and another two to buy a Starship launch.

[Anonymous No.12405601]

>>12405410
I'm wondering if its possible to get crewdragon to transport crew from ISS to Axiom station or any other leo stations. Do they have enough fuel?

[Anonymous No.12405617]

>>12405601
They'll probably be next to each other for awhile after separation so it's likely not hard to get from one station to the other.

[Anonymous No.12405635]

>>12405395
>Mars legs need to carry a fully fueled Starship lmao
Weighs about 4777 kN (1,300,000 kg times 3/8ths g). Divide by six legs, each leg supports ~800 kilonewtons of force. If each leg ends in a foot with two square meters of area, the feet exert a pressure of 400 kPa onto the surface of the ground. For reference, Earth's atmosphere exerts a pressure of ~101 kPa onto you and me. Basically, none of this equipment needs to be especially bulky to be strong enough.

[Anonymous No.12405643]

>>12405406
>You're basically assuming that
I'm assuming that war has already started. This is not a secret operation. Also, I'm not even talking about space pirates here, dude. I'm talking about the colonies of the asteroid belt uniting as Earth nations attempt to exert their influence on space colonies in an effort to stamp out existential threats and threats to the resource streams they are beginning to depend upon. Basically, americans throwing tea into the water to defy the british 2.0, except they're venting it into space instead and manifesting their destiny across the solar system.

[Anonymous No.12405649]

>>12405437
I'm not the space pirates guy, I'm the "belter civilizations have overwhelming strategic advantage over Earthnoid ""civilizations"" in an all-out war scenario" guy.

[Anonymous No.12405654]

>>12405574
Inflatables would be more expensive than just welding together some habitat bottles.

[Anonymous No.12405658]

>>12405574
Consider that Copenhagen Suborbital's founder is a psycho murderer who liked to jack off to snuff films. I have no point to make, I just want you to consider it.

[Anonymous No.12405662]

>>12405643
Your followup isn't really helping matters. Whether they try to spring this as a trap or if they brazenly do it in the face of the enemy, it's equally retarded because it's obvious, slow, and indefensible. It just doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.12405664]

>>12405215
Do let us know how long their actually chosen fix takes to implement.

[Anonymous No.12405677]

>>12405664
Hey man it’s not that easy in rocketry

[Anonymous No.12405681]

>>12405662
Unless Earth figures out torch drives sometime soon, belters trying to throw rocks will have 18 months of time to push their rocks unmolested. That's just the way it is. Of course, if torch drives do become a factor, that just makes rock throwing take even less time and effort, while making the prevention of rock throwing much more difficult.

But, to humor you, belters may decide that it makes sense to send little 1 ton kinetic shotgun bombs to Earth's SOI, popping a cold gas canister to blow out clouds of asteroid pebbles that shred infrastructure and vehicles near Earth, and just keep sending a barrage of them constantly using mass drivers in the belt. This would be pretty effective on its own as a means of harassing and slowing down Earth operations in space, and even if it's only enough to slow Earth down, slowing them down is what guarantees big dumb rocks falling onto the planet a year later.

[Anonymous No.12405690]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTC3Qm5GLiE
stream starting

[Anonymous No.12405707]

>>12405690
these streams have been awkward as hell

[Anonymous No.12405714]

>>12405681
It's cute that you think Earth wouldn't have assets anywhere else in the solar system outside its sphere of influence, but even assuming so a plasma magnet drive of Earth's own own will do the job easily. You don't need a torch drive to outspeed hohmann, you just need more than tape outgassing thrust and constant acceleration, which we have.

[Anonymous No.12405732]

jfc show us the rocket

[Anonymous No.12405746]

>>12405654
They would, but they can be built as all one piece units with no significant assembly required, and inflatables are strictly both lighter per cubic meter of pressurized volume and more durable than any metal can hab. An insulation filled double layer of ballistic weave interspersed with some lead or boron saturated rubber is more durable, easier to patch, and more resistant to puncturing in the vacuum environment, and you can spend less of the station's mass fraction on volume and more on other stuff like more robust life support, more power systems, more robust heat management, a propulsion system, etc.

[Anonymous No.12405748]

scrubbed again, and the dude doesn't even know what's wrong haha

[Anonymous No.12405750]

>>12405732
>Tune into launch stream
>People sitting around a table in a room

[Anonymous No.12405752]

>>12405750
link?

[Anonymous No.12405756]

>>12405752
nvm im absolutely retarded lmfao

[Anonymous No.12405759]

>show me your rocket anon

[Anonymous No.12405761]

>>12405601
Travel between stations is going to be a major use case for orbital tugs.

[Anonymous No.12405762]

>>12405748
non-nomimal uh, uh reception of uh uh data

[Anonymous No.12405772]

Did the fucking Russians hammer in the gyro upside down again?

[Anonymous No.12405778]

>>12405677
There are a bunch of fixes that can take an inordinately long amount of time. I'd wager they'll find one that doesn't take anywhere near that long.

[Anonymous No.12405782]

Why are yuros so fucking cringe at space? They never do it right.

[Anonymous No.12405798]

>>12405782
Holobunga reparations.

[Anonymous No.12405826]

>>12405759
must be awkward for her with these things being nothing but fuckups

[Anonymous No.12405827]

>>12405574
Never realised how big New Sheppherd is, or rather how small the Redstone was.

[Anonymous No.12405831]

sounds like the holdup is the government dragging their feet. Double static fire is just a means to burn time. Though maybe they're having 2nd thoughts about damaging the pad right before launch

[Anonymous No.12405843]

I wonder if the problem is Orion collecting dust or that they've been sitting on their hands doing nothing when they should have been testing.

[Anonymous No.12405853]

>>12405843
Probably some of both, plus cover for "oh shit Boing!'s software is awful we need to do full integration tests of the whole capsule again."

[Anonymous No.12405856]

>>12405827
Yeah it was a barebones chemical rocket just meant to bring one guy past the karman line. The Saturn I was based though, they just clustered a bunch of redstones around a jupiter and called it a day

[Anonymous No.12405865]

>>12405843
>4-12 month delay
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

[Anonymous No.12405867]

>>12405649
I’m just not gonna reply for a while because I can’t find anything nice to say

[Anonymous No.12405872]

>>12405831
Why don't they just design the pad not to break? It's their rocket, surely they know how powerful it is.

[Anonymous No.12405904]

>>12405843
Tick tock.

[Anonymous No.12405998]

>>12405843
>people born the same year a program started can soon be old enough to work on the program's inaugural launch

[Anonymous No.12406007]

>>12405998
They're soon old enough to work on development of it, let alone the launch.

[Anonymous No.12406040]

So sounds like Wednesday is actually happening. Though the weather is supposedly kinda shit that day

[Anonymous No.12406058]

>>12406040
it's up to the FAA if they launch or not

[Anonymous No.12406093]

>>12404303
Wherever politicians go.

[Anonymous No.12406110]

>>12406058
Isn't that basically a given though?

[Anonymous No.12406114]

>>12406110
they're only waiting on the FAA right now

[Anonymous No.12406150]

>>12406110
Well they haven't granted permission yet, so we'll see

[Anonymous No.12406157]

>>12405746
counterpoint, factory welding together 1 stainless steel habitat hull every thirty minutes.

[Anonymous No.12406161]

>>12405856
Cursed image

[Anonymous No.12406167]

>>12405843
>15 years for a fucking capsule
inexcusable

[Anonymous No.12406174]

>>12406040
Ah, February 12th it is

[Anonymous No.12406197]

>>12406040
>They're trying to get us to leave town tomorrow night
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12406204]

>>12406114
fucking hell that's obnoxious, hurry up you FAAggots

[Anonymous No.12406234]

>>12406197
Boca Chica village having a Starship belly flop into it China style would be bad for publicity

[Anonymous No.12406264]

>>12406234
fuck the boomers

[Anonymous No.12406272]

>>12405410

[Anonymous No.12406299]

>>12406204
My uncle, he tells me a lot of work left. He's in the FAA.
They are afraid that it may land in them islands.

[Anonymous No.12406315]

Jim Bridenstine flew over my house

[Anonymous No.12406353]

Pay your respects, /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12406433]

>>12405843
>4-12 months to replace a few components

Lul starship could well have reached orbit by then.

[Anonymous No.12406448]

>>12405843
they wouldn't have discovered the problem if they weren't testing it

[Anonymous No.12406459]

>>12406315
Wtf I thought he was just some boring career politician.
>He flew the E-2C Hawkeye aircraft as part of a carrier air wing with the U.S. Navy and in Central and South America in support of the War on Drugs with the Naval Reserve. He later moved to the F-18 Hornet and flew at the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center, in Nevada.

[Anonymous No.12406465]

>>12406433
depends on how they're looking to fix it really
they have plenty of time since SLS is still far from ready
so they have an option to just go for a full on upgrade, not just replacing parts
if that's the intention then 4-12 months, by oldspace standard, is reasonable and i bet the SLS still won't be ready to fly by then

[Anonymous No.12406472]

>>12406353
I hope those tin snips end up in a museum

[Anonymous No.12406483]

>>12406353
who is he, is the some sort of secret picture?

[Anonymous No.12406639]

>>12406483
Tom Mueller, employee #2 of SpaceX, mastermind of the Merlin engine. He retired today.

[Anonymous No.12406646]

>>12406459
You usually need to have a successful career in something respectable before running for public office.

In a perfect world at least.

[Anonymous No.12406659]

>>12406353
>>12406483
>Unnamed technician who cut the engine nozzle

[Anonymous No.12406661]

>>12404903
borderline down's syndrome face

[Anonymous No.12406676]

>>12405462
>>12405473

[Anonymous No.12406692]

Anything happened with sn8, static fire, explosion?

[Anonymous No.12406696]

>>12406692
yes

[Anonymous No.12406701]

>>12406692
Windy as fuck yesterday so they postponed it. The 7-flight falcon booster got back to dry land I guess.

[Anonymous No.12406760]

>>12406692
SN8 is new SLS.

[Anonymous No.12406796]

Wish there was some sort of live coverage for the Chang'e 5

[Anonymous No.12406810]

>>12402876

What office episode is this from, I don't remember this scene.

[Anonymous No.12406840]

>>12402360
i saw it first on reddit 2bh

[Anonymous No.12406872]

astrobotany is the future

[Anonymous No.12406880]

>>12406872
Redwood trees are a space planes.
They generate lift in hypersonic regimes.

[Anonymous No.12406885]

>>12406880
>With a redwood, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.12406896]

>>12406872
imagine growing spices on mars

[Anonymous No.12406919]

>>12406872
yes

[Anonymous No.12406939]

So what happens if they land the star ship?

[Anonymous No.12406946]

>>12406939
that would be like working on your code for hours and then it compiles successfully on first try

very spooky feeling actually

[Anonymous No.12406948]

>>12402472
They would probably put Boeing underneath a test stand.

[Anonymous No.12406954]

>>12405383
That's what SpaceX would do.

[Anonymous No.12407000]

>This year’s Axel Springer award honors Elon Musk. Through his inventive and innovative spirit, Elon has revolutionized several industries, from electric vehicles and battery storage to space travel. Elon will accept the award on December 1, 2020, at the Axel Springer headquarters in Berlin. The theme of the evening is “An Evening for Elon Musk – Mission to Mars.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF2HXId2Xhg&ab_channel=AxelSpringerSE

[Anonymous No.12407016]

>>12407000
This will bring lot of salt to musk haters

[Anonymous No.12407022]

>>12407000
>Elon will accept the award on December 1, 2020, at the Axel Springer headquarters in Berlin, while presenting to the shocked audience, and no less shocked FAA, the SN8 HOP

[Anonymous No.12407023]

The Falcon Heavy proved itself by orbiting a car around the sun
Starship should prove itself by putting many tonnes of sand in a reversed geostationary orbit

[Anonymous No.12407028]

>>12407023
Just throw a 9m diameter mirror telescope at L2 without any high precision thousands of millions of production cost precision and see what happens. May even beat JWST by at least getting there and not falling back on earth or ripping off a sunshield.

[Anonymous No.12407033]

Thread has staged.

Ignition:
>>12407032
>>12407032
>>12407032

[Anonymous No.12407384]

>>12406692
>sn8
So I return more after than 2 months and it's still SN8?
Also what's with Arianne scrubbing?

[Anonymous No.12407399]

>>12407384
okay it's like this:
SN8 is fully assembled with nosecone and flaps, sitting on a test stand, waiting for FAA approval
SN9 is fully assembled with nosecone and flaps, sitting at the build site, waiting
SN10 is partially assembled
SN11, 12, 13, 14, and 15 are all in various states of existence and assembly, as well as BN1

[Anonymous No.12407408]

>>12407399
Nice, thanks. How many times did SN8 hop after the 100 m one?

[Anonymous No.12407411]

>>12407408
uhhhh I don't think SN8 has hopped at all

[Anonymous No.12407416]

>>12407411
Was it SN7? They should paint them differently or something.

[Anonymous No.12407420]

>>12407416
both 5 and 6 hopped
7 was a series of test tanks that tested swapping to 304L stainless steel

[Anonymous No.12407429]

>>12407420
>both 5 and 6 hopped
This one was 5! I'm sorting through my saved shit. Did 6 land well or did one of its legs get fucked too?

>304L
Nice, last I remember it was 30X. Anyone made a comparison yet? I'm sure there are tables I can look up but hey, this thread is near dead anyway.

[Anonymous No.12407436]

>>12407429
the 30X design process ended up choosing an alloy that was basically just 304L or something I dunno dude

[Anonymous No.12407441]

>>12407436
That's what I meant. That we only knew that it will be 300 something.

[Anonymous No.12407448]

>>12407441
the difference between 304 and 301 is that 304 is slightly weaker but more flexible

[Anonymous No.12407452]

>>12407448
I'm sure they have different performance at different pressures and temperatures as well. MatSci must be pretty interesting sometimes.

[Anonymous No.12407457]

>>12407452
MatSci is a fucking arcane nightmare of black magic and prayer

[Anonymous No.12407460]

>>12407457
And that's beautiful.