/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12354679]

Bye bye 300M Euros: An Italian rocket, launched by a French team with a Spanish satellite.

Sounds like a joke:

https://atalayar.com/en/content/spanish-satellite-ingenio-has-been-lost-due-failure-vega-rocket

[Anonymous No.12354725]

Diversity is our strength.

[Anonymous No.12354738]

ffs just let the Germans do it

[Anonymous No.12354758]

>>12354738
Why would Spain want a satellite to rain down over London?

[Anonymous No.12354759]

>>12354679
Europe lacks the experience for this type of things... plus we're not united in the right way.

[Anonymous No.12354766]

>>12354679
maybe you guys should outsource your space stuff to India or China and let the pros handle it

[Anonymous No.12354769]

>>12354758
Tracing Spain's desertification. Industrial agriculture purposes. Also high quality images from space are very valuable.

[Anonymous No.12354772]

>>12354738
they surely have a better mechanical / aerospace infrastructure than Italy and Spain at the moment... maybe we will catch on in the future but there's no political will so it will hardly happen. Plus most of smart people from Italy normally escape to Germany or Canada / Britain

[Anonymous No.12354776]

>>12354738
Germans got cucked beyond all recognition. All the great (but slightly evil) men were killed, the rest were snatched by USA or Russia. The people who remain is just pathetic leftovers

[Anonymous No.12354781]

>>12354766
>India
>China
Yeah retard, they always show how pro they are, like in Bhopal or vid related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbFOS29vAeQ

[Anonymous No.12354794]

>>12354781
still me >>12354781
this video illustrates it best though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjlB48N7Tus

[Anonymous No.12354799]

still me >>12354781
this video illustrates it best though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjlB48N7Tus

[Anonymous No.12354808]

>>12354781
>>12354794
Yikes, imagine if NASA caused something like that in America.

[Anonymous No.12354810]

>>12354781
I'm retarded but not retarded enough to think they'd do better just bants

[Anonymous No.12354816]

>>12354810
ah ok kek

[Anonymous No.12354937]

>>12354679
>Stephan Israel
hmm

[Anonymous No.12355541]

>>12354679
https://spacenews.com/human-error-blamed-for-vega-launch-failure/
>"Analysis of the telemetry from the mission, along with data from the production of the vehicle, led them to conclude that cables to two thrust vector control actuators were inverted. Commands intended to go to one actuator went instead to the other, triggering the loss of control."
How the hell do you fail basic 'cable 1 goes to actuator 1, cable 2 goes to actuator 2' instructions?

[Anonymous No.12355551]

>>12354679
Oof going from a perfect 13/13 launch record to a 15/17 one in the space of two years will hurt.

[Anonymous No.12355594]

>>12354781
Bhopal tragedy was due to a western company..

[Anonymous No.12355610]

>>12354679
>>12355551

They need to bounce back rather than be discouraged.

[Anonymous No.12356332]

>>12354769
>Tracing Spain's desertification. Industrial agriculture purposes.
>high quality images
If the knowledge they obtain from the images indicates that what they are doing is unsustainable, they will be ignored.
Consumers gonna consume, consume, consume.
Ergo the satellite was a pointless waste of resources even if it hadn't failed miserably.

[Anonymous No.12356361]

>>12354725
Unironically yes, the European Space Agency has achieved a thousand times more than individual European countries could have done on their own.

[Anonymous No.12356405]

>>12355541
Cable 21-238 goes to actuator 221ex-51
Cable 22-283 goes to actuator 221dx-51

[Anonymous No.12356410]

>>12354725

[Anonymous No.12356479]

>>12354769
They'd get all of that from a bunch of satellite debris scattered around London?
>>12356361
How much of that is diversity versus combining resources, which isn't the same thing.

[Anonymous No.12356486]

>>12354679

if we had communism it would be free...

[Anonymous No.12356510]

>>12354738
the germans, who never launched a rocket into space?

[Anonymous No.12357121]

>>12354759
ESA has done some pretty impressive stuff, but their annual budget is like 1/3 of NASA. They're ahead of the Russians, last interplanetary probe they successfully launched was the 1980s.

[Anonymous No.12357216]

>>12355594
As if the vast majority of the workers running the place weren’t poos? But I suppose it was the west’s fault as they didn’t design their equipment to be so simple that even a retarded child could use it.

[Anonymous No.12357226]

>>12356510
>what is NASA?

[Anonymous No.12357228]

>>12356510
At least not for German anyway.

[Anonymous No.12357230]

>>12357228
*germany

[Anonymous No.12358449]

>>12355594
midwit, everyone on site was a poo and the error triggering the tragedy was made by an indian. Plant redundancy in the 70's - 80's was not as good as today.

[Anonymous No.12358461]

>>12354679
"Israel has already ordered the establishment of a Commission of Inquiry to investigate the details of the accident. " What does Israel have to do with european space agencies?

[Anonymous No.12358591]

>>12358461
Made me check, have a (You) friend.

[Anonymous No.12358727]

>>12356510
moon base is self-sufficient

[Anonymous No.12358763]

>>12358461
They consider themselves to be European AND Asian AND African, and try to obtain membership in the relevant institutions such as ESA, African Union, etc.

[Anonymous No.12358820]

>>12356361
They could have done much more if they had that level of resources without that level of diversity, so no, diversity is their liability.

[Anonymous No.12358831]

>>12356361
Why didn't they developed manned vessels ?

[Anonymous No.12358833]

>>12356510
Incorrect; V2's crossed the Karman line.
Perhaps you meant "into orbit".

[Anonymous No.12358848]

>>12355541
Miswiring is a problem NASA encountered once. Their solution was to shorten the wires such that they were only long enough to reach the correct installation position, but weren't long enough to be wired incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.12358849]

>>12355594
Management were Indians.

[Anonymous No.12358891]

>no insurance
>didn't want to use falcon 9 and called SpaceX "tata of rockets"
LMAO

[Anonymous No.12358892]

two satellites lost:

France's TARANIS

Spain's SEOSat-Ingenio

on Italy's Vega rocket

launch was from France's launch facility in French Guiana

[Anonymous No.12358900]

>>12358891
>didn't want to use falcon 9 and called SpaceX "tata of rockets"
Source? I searched for "tata of rockets" and found nothing. What does that even mean? Tata seems to be an indian company, did the ESA really insult SpaceX by calling them pajeets?

[Anonymous No.12358905]

>>12358892
This is why you hire Germans to do the real engineering and let Italians handle the cosmetics.

[Anonymous No.12358911]

>>12358905
>boomerVonBraun.jpg

[Anonymous No.12358918]

>>12358900
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/as-the-spacex-steamroller-surges-european-rocket-industry-vows-to-resist/

>Put another way, the Ariane 5 rocket was designed for performance, akin to a luxury car, rather than economy. Among its features, the booster had a unique payload carrier that can distribute two larger satellites into orbit, allowing customers to share the cost. For this reason, Arianespace felt comfortable for a while that the commercial market would help underwrite the rocket’s price of about $175 million per launch.

And for a time, that is precisely what happened. Since its debut in 1996, the Ariane 5 rocket has flown 98 missions, with just two significant failures. The Europeans are justifiably proud of their rocket and its capabilities. Asked about how the Ariane 5 compares to lower-cost alternatives on the market today, such as SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket, Stefano Bianchi, Head of ESA Launchers Development Department, responded with a question of his own. “Are you buying a Mercedes because it is cheap?”

>Ranzo, sitting nearby, chimed in and referenced the India-based maker of the world’s least expensive car. As he put it, “We don’t sell a Tata.”

[Anonymous No.12358924]

>>12354772
Italian engineer working in Belgium checking in

[Anonymous No.12358926]

>A rocket which was previously succeeding starts to fail
Normalization of deviance. Classic.

[Anonymous No.12358936]

>>12358918
to be fair, Ariane 5 is not Vega, and is not built by the Italians.

[Anonymous No.12358940]

>>12358936
>>12358918
Ariane 5 launch history.

[Anonymous No.12358956]

>>12358926
>>12358940
falcon 9, for the sake of completion.

[Anonymous No.12358959]

>>12358956
If you look at it, Falcon 9 has a much better start and history. I don't know the finances but I suspect SpaceX has 1/10th the financial/knowledge resource or less than Arianespace at the time too.

To call SpaceX Falcon9 a "tata" is trash talking with no backing, not even when F9 was new.

[Anonymous No.12358962]

>>12356486
Eurpeans cannot afford insurance? Or are their launches to unrealiable to get insured at all?

[Anonymous No.12358977]

>>12358962
>Or are their launches to unrealiable to get insured at all?
Prior to this failure, one of the past two launches also failed. Doubtlessly insurance would have been very expensive.

[Anonymous No.12358979]

>>12358959
>SpaceX has 1/10th the financial/knowledge resource or less than Arianespace at the time too.
SpaceX is a US company, what do you think the NSA and CIA do in Europe? Of course SpaceX had access to everything.

[Anonymous No.12358981]

>>12358979
>spacex stole from europeans
holy cope

[Anonymous No.12358987]

>>12358979
NSA/CIA work with local govs to spy on suspected terrorists/spies in their respective countries. CIA/NSA don't spy on Europeans to watch their porn history, its because the gov facilitated the spying in exchange for some gains.

[Anonymous No.12358988]

>when half century old soviet rockets are still the best option
:^)

[Anonymous No.12358992]

>>12358981
Not only that, but the information is fed to spacex by US intelligence. It's a grand conspiracy against Arianespace.

[Anonymous No.12358993]

>another thread of burgers trying to laugh at ESA while they would actually be of worse with SLS if elon musk didnt start spaceX.
Imagine a timeline where spaceX did not exist and you amerifats would still be waiting for SLS&starliner, it was closer then you think.

[Anonymous No.12358998]

>>12358993
>they would actually be of worse with SLS if elon musk didnt start spaceX.
Unlike in Europe, diversity REALLY IS our strength!

[Anonymous No.12358999]

At least a charming school teacher didn't explode this time

[Anonymous No.12359001]

>>12358993
>has to imagine alternative realities to beat americans
Sad!

[Anonymous No.12359009]

>>12358999
That only happened once, so we can exclude it as an outlier.

[Anonymous No.12359013]

>>12358981
>>12358987
https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/29/wikileaks_docs_show_nsa_vs_france/

[Anonymous No.12359019]

>>12359013
They were taking notes on what not to do.

[Anonymous No.12359110]

>>12359013
Five Eyes need to keep an eye on other countries to make sure they're not working with our enemies. Everyone knows the French desire to return to Napoleon days. Their rhetorics of allying with Russia has everyone in the 5Eyes spooked.

[Anonymous No.12359127]

>>12355541
maybe they had a Russian with a hammer on the payroll

[Anonymous No.12359130]

>>12358727
sorry, Iron Sky is not a documentary

[Anonymous No.12359136]

All of this could have been avoided with a €100,000 boat ride to Cape Canaveral

[Anonymous No.12359140]

>>12359019
Why not make it public, instead of doing it the hacker way? We're working outside of the stratosphere together, why not do this inside for once as well?

[Anonymous No.12359207]

>>12354679
>Americans fake all their launches
>Europoors, chinks and brown people keep trying to emulate them with real launches

[Anonymous No.12359245]

>>12358831
They could just put seats inside ATV if they wanted

[Anonymous No.12359247]

>>12354799
I love the smell of hydrazine in the morning

[Anonymous No.12359252]

>>12356410
No dx, disregarded

[Anonymous No.12360490]

>>12354679
ESA is a fucking joke

>>12354759
>plus we're not united in the right way.
fuck off federalist scum

[Anonymous No.12360508]

>>12359207
>Brown people
Yeah the Indian space program is pretty successful. So is JAXA lol

[Anonymous No.12360515]

>>12360490
Outsider here. Why would federalism be bad?

[Anonymous No.12360748]

>>12360515
Federalism dilutes representation.

[Anonymous No.12360937]

>>12359110
France allying with Russia, you're funny.

[Anonymous No.12360947]

>>12360937
It's more likely than you seem to think. They've quasi-removed themselves from NATO before.

[Anonymous No.12361106]

>>12356361
How much have the African and Middle Eastern migrants contributed?

[Anonymous No.12361108]

>>12356410
Difference is this is probably the 50th girl he's seen suck at it

[Anonymous No.12361113]

>>12354738
This.
What the actual fuck.

[Anonymous No.12361119]

>>12356510
Yeah but both the Soviet and US space programs were notoriously in debt to German and Nazi German innovation.

[Anonymous No.12361134]

>>12361108
thats because biology dictates that women are stupid

[Anonymous No.12361158]

>>12358918
Spacex is more like Ford back in 1920's
Europe needs their Volkswagen, not more Mercedes and Rolls-royces
And they are on the right track with Themis, i think.

[Anonymous No.12361169]

>>12358998
Unironically this, americas space program has benefited hugely from including whites from all over the world.

[Anonymous No.12361174]

>>12354679
>no insurance
I don't understand how this works. It's Arianespace's fuck up so will they cover the cost?

[Anonymous No.12361181]

>>12361169
I thought you can't work for SpaceX and NASA if you don't have US citizenship

[Anonymous No.12361200]

>>12354679
This happened because a single French guy plugged in a single set of wires backwards.

[Anonymous No.12361246]

>>12358979
>>12358987
>implying these orgs don't actually share info regularly for deals

[Anonymous No.12361251]

>>12361200
>plugged in a single set of wires backwards
as in the plugs didn't actually fit?
That's retarded as fuck.

[Anonymous No.12361257]

>>12361251
Not quite, think the way a USB has a top and a bottom that forces you to plug it in a certain way- he basically plugged in a USB upside down because unlike a USB, the cables on the rocket didn't have any built-in structure to ensure they get plugged in with the right orientation.

[Anonymous No.12361258]

>>12354781
Reminder that skylab literally crashed into Australian towns near the nullabor.

[Anonymous No.12361262]

>>12354808
The insurance companies would shut down NASA within days.
But China has no legal system capable of doing that.

[Anonymous No.12361268]

>>12355551
And there were absolutely no agents involved in this. :^)

[Anonymous No.12361276]

>>12358956
>rocket config
>no "Falcon Punch"
Wasted opportunity 2bh.

[Anonymous No.12361278]

>>12361257
USBs can't be plugged in upside down though... and why isn't this risk considered when producing these wires?
I mean this was basically an accident waiting to happen.

[Anonymous No.12361282]

>>12361278
>USBs can't be plugged in upside down though...
Yes, I know, that was just for comparison's sake to get across what he effectively did.
>and why isn't this risk considered when producing these wires?
"No one who's skilled, talented, and intelligent enough to work hands on with a rocket that cost several hundreds of millions of dollars to make could ever make such a simple mistake!"

[Anonymous No.12361284]

>>12361282
But one day they might produce more of these on mass, so why not just take that little tiny step to guarantee less risk for a mission.
Also no one's perfect.

[Anonymous No.12361294]

>>12361181
Elon Musk has a US citizenship, and he's from South Africa. In the US, unlike some other countries, foreigners can get citizenships.

[Anonymous No.12361315]

>>12361284
>But one day they might produce more of these on mass,
No they won't. This single satellite took 12 years to make. The James Webb Space Telescope has been in development for twice that time. The "tried and true" space companies try to maximize payload at any cost, which means anything that gets sent into space has to also be hyper optimized beyond the point of reasonability. They're stuck in the autistic engineer's mindset instead of advancing into industrial development methods. If they made rockets to be cheap and quick it wouldn't matter if their payloads were only half that of current rockets because you could send up 100 times as many. Alternatively, and much better now, is going for reusable rockets like SpaceX is, which the established space companies are spooked by because the Shuttle was supposed to be reusable and it only marginally reduced its cost per launch to the point that it wouldn't have been much worse to just launch a brand new one every single time, so they've come to think reusable is just refurbishable like the Shuttle. There's also the problem that for a long time companies were encouraged to be slow as fuck and not get shit done because the longer they could drag out the development the more they could get paid.
Also if mass production of anything was even remotely close to being on the radar of any space companies then rockets like Sea Dragon would have been built.

[Anonymous No.12361335]

>>12361315
This is why people are actually surprised by SpaceX, it's proven these government orgs were wasting time and money because there was no competition or capitalist approach.
It should have happened 50 years ago.

[Anonymous No.12361383]

>>12361335
Shit wasn't good enough 50 years ago to do what they're doing today. But it certainly has been since the 90s at least.

[Anonymous No.12361447]

>>12354679
>'engineers' from Spain, Italy and france try into space programs
>they completely shit the bed as they are incompetent retards
When will competent professionals be allowed to work on this instead?
None of these countries are capable of producing actual non meme engineers.

[Anonymous No.12361491]

>>12361447
france is meme engineer tier ?

[Anonymous No.12361694]

>>12360515
Each European nation has paid a price heavy in blood to gain independence, now some wackjob politicians want us to submit to the Germans and French sp we can pay even higher taxes, salaries of more Brussel bureaucrats and dismantle our nuclear power and armed forces. No thanks.

[Anonymous No.12362143]

>>12361491
there is only one country on this blessed earth that produces actual competent non meme bullshit engineers
its not spain, france or italy

[Anonymous No.12362234]

>>12362143
ariene5 only ever had two failed launches out of 110 launches though
u cant beat french engineers

[Anonymous No.12362237]

>>12362143
see here >>12358940

[Anonymous No.12362719]

>>12354679
>Bye bye 300M Euros
technically, the money was already gone at the moment of launch, so it doesn't really matter.
in fact, now they have a legitimate reason to ask for another 300M for the same project

[Anonymous No.12362730]

As an American I love when other countries fail in their space endeavors. Space belongs to America so I want anyone who isn't American to fail at space.

[Anonymous No.12362867]

They could have given that 300M to me

[Anonymous No.12362879]

>>12354679
There goes the rare exotic minerals. The Earth is now that little bit less exotic.

[Anonymous No.12363175]

>>12361694
>submitting to the french and germans
Strange way to spell globalists.

[Anonymous No.12363201]

>>12362730
Based and (Japanese Spider) Crab-pilled.

[Anonymous No.12364608]

>>12356510
The did manage to lob a few into downtown London, once upon a time.

[Anonymous No.12364702]

>>12361694
Imagine laying down your life and those of your sons so this creature could tell your surviving descendants how to live their lives.

[Anonymous No.12364706]

>>12354766
>India
You can't make a rocket out of human feces

[Anonymous No.12364805]

>>12364706
You can however make rocket fuel out of poo gas.

[Anonymous No.12365743]

>>12354679
>failure of a Vega rocket
Thanks, AMD!

[Anonymous No.12365788]

>>12354758
*Rain down 50 miles north of London

[Anonymous No.12366154]

>>12362143
>>there is only one country on this blessed earth that produces actual competent non meme bullshit engineers
>its not spain, france or italy
yeah it's japan

[Anonymous No.12366179]

>>12361268
>statistically very likely failure occurs
>"it was the work of foreign agents"
Latin American despot logic.