What is the most horrifying scientific idea out there?

[Anonymous No.12337911]

For me, it's easily quantum immortality. It lasts for an infinite period of time. All the other horror theories (like Roko's Basilik) at least are finite in duration.

[Anonymous No.12337932]

eh, it relies on many worlds which is only one qm interpretation

[Anonymous No.12337938]

We don't truly control our actions. We are merely passive observers watching our brain react to everything.

[Anonymous No.12337942]

>>12337932

Until quantum immortality is decisively misproven, I will never be able to sleep well at night.

Quantum immortality is infinitely bad. I don't care if the odds that quantum immortality are only 0.01%. Until somebody disproves it with 100% certainty, I will continue to be terrorized of quantum immortality.

[Anonymous No.12337944]

>>12337932

Until quantum immortality is decisively misproven, I will never be able to sleep well at night.

Quantum immortality is infinitely bad. I don't care if the odds that quantum immortality is true are only 0.01%. Until somebody disproves QI with 100% certainty, I will continue to be terrorized of quantum immortality.

[Anonymous No.12337952]

Everything is true.
If i mean everything i mean every thought you ever had does exists or actually happened.

[Anonymous No.12337961]

>>12337952

Isn't that (like quantum immortality) an extension some people draw from MWI?

[Anonymous No.12338000]

>>12337911
The phase space of possible human minds contains attractive basins

[Anonymous No.12338013]

>>12337942
>Quantum immortality is infinitely bad. I don't care if the odds that quantum immortality are only 0.01%. Until somebody disproves it with 100% certainty, I will continue to be terrorized of quantum immortality.
But. you would eventually die of old age, what is to prevent old age from killing the "immortal" winner of every wave function collapse?

[Anonymous No.12338022]

>>12337911
All things being equal, you could be happy for eternity as well.
Anyway, the point is moot since time is an illusion.

[Anonymous No.12338041]

>>12337942

Well get ready for a lot of sleepless nights because a single interpretation of quantum mechanics will likely never be proven or disproven

[Anonymous No.12338141]

>>12337911
>infinite period of time
just like how that hare can never outrun that tortoise

[Anonymous No.12338230]

>>12337911
How is it horrifying? It says everyone is going to live forever (in their own reality, at least).

[Anonymous No.12338334]

>>12338013
The idea is that the universe wraps around your consciousness to help it stay alive. The whole concept doesn't really work outside the quantum level, though.

[Anonymous No.12338341]

Nothing beats Heat Death

[Anonymous No.12338343]

>>12338334
to be fair, it doesn't really work on the quantum level either. if you dispute this show me were in the theory any of this pseudosciencerelgionut bullshit is implied

[Anonymous No.12338356]

>>12338334
>The idea is that the universe wraps around your consciousness to help it stay alive.
it does not seem like that is something you need to worry about actually happening

[Anonymous No.12338370]

>>12338343
It's a thought experiment about consciousness playing a part in quantum waves becoming particles or some shit, it's been quite some time since I read about it. Your life is still in the hands of an elaborate quantum system though and it's kind of ego-maniacal to assume the whole universe is able to exist thanks to your consciousness alone.

[Anonymous No.12338475]

>>12337942
>Until quantum immortality is decisively misproven, I will never be able to sleep well at night.

Sounds like me with simulation theory, and you know what that led to? Panic attacks, insomnia and stress, just let it fucking go

I realized how stupid it is to be afraid of ideas which are unfalsifiable

[Anonymous No.12338543]

>>12337911

Well, some "version" of you might survive in some other "world". But what has that to do with you specifically? It's not you. You're probably dead after a short number of iterations of the killing mechanism. I would even go so far as to say that if these other "worlds" have no causal effect on your world, they do not exist for any practical purpose (and yes, I think the many-worlds interpretation is lame, as it does not distinguish between potential futures and the actual future you end up with). You are either dead or alive

[Anonymous No.12338553]

>>12337911
that conservatism/right-wingness is going to get extinct

[Anonymous No.12338580]

>>12338543

It's a matter of identification. Let's use the block universe model of time. You are an entity that exists along a timeline made up of events. If we have two different worlds with two very similar timelines with slight differences. They are clearly not the same person. For once, they are not identical personal timelines, there are slight differences. Also, they are not even in the same world. The worlds are different. You cannot have identical worlds with two different versions of you in them. That's simply not possible, and because "your" timeline is different in the two worlds, this would be because of other differences that have causal effects or be causal effects on that world creating other differences. And the worlds are not even connected physically, causally in any explicated way, so the other ones might not even be considered real, just being conceivable potentials that this world could have been instead.

[Anonymous No.12338592]

>>12338553
This will never happen ever

[Anonymous No.12338595]

>>12338475
Why would simulation theory lead to stress or insomnia? Look, there are multiple possibilities:
Either we live entirely as simulated entities with no basis in the "real" existence. Our lives continue as normally till we die, which would be the same as dying normally, unless the plug gets pulled but we would never be aware of any of this anyway. Literally the same as getting sniped by a GRB out of the blue, except even less painful.
Or we are merely avatars of higher lifeforms that thought it would be refreshing to experience this world as a complete dumbass average lifeform and guess what? You get to be a super cool higher dimensional entity when you've finished this dumb simulation. You probably wouldn't even feel any attachment to the crude lifeform you are inhabiting right now if such a scenario is the case.

[Anonymous No.12338598]

>>12338022

[Anonymous No.12338611]

>>12338580

The only truly immortal being and consciousness is God, because God is the universal, formless medium - the language that all the potential worlds are expressed in. God choses a world out of the many potential ones. That is why quantum physics cannot create a clear dividing line between the quantum and the classical scale. The whole universe is in a superposition, which is a self-contradictory statement, unless it is interpretated metaphysically. God choses the universes he enjoys the most, and I think that he enjoys cosmoses with lots of drama and wonder and horror and differences that create meaningful spectra and distinctions. He exists in a perpetual state of balance between existential crisis and unrestricted creative bliss, and is constantly refining his preferences and thus our universal timeline, which is changing all the time, even if we don't notice, because of the identification issue. Our timeline is but a point on the second dimension of time, along which is recorded all the timeline iterations he's already been through

[Anonymous No.12338624]

>>12338595
>Why would simulation theory lead to stress or insomnia?
Triggered my existential OCD something fierce to the point of derealization episodes, but at the time I was already suffering from chronic anxiety/panic disorder unrelated to that, so it was just bad timing I had to get exposed to it then.

Also doesn't help that I misunderstood what was meant by simulation theory and my first assumption was it was of a solipsistic nature, and my brain was just too overloaded by that point already dealing with anxiety that critical thinking was sorely lacking.

[Anonymous No.12338628]

>>12338611

You can only have a coherent model of reality where reality is metaphysically self-identified, self-contained, and self-determined. Where the chooser, is the chosen and the choice, at the same time. Concrete, physical reality created itself out of a timeless, unbound, formless medium of potential.

[Anonymous No.12338665]

>>12337911
The most likely outcome that involves you living forever is humans developing anti-ageing tech and friendly AI. Immortality while living under the max possible quality of life not something you should be afraid of.

[Anonymous No.12338710]

>>12338624
Well you've already self corrected but in the case there are still some that don't get it: The odds that you are indeed a solipsistic simulated lifeform are astronomically small compared to the odds of being an "original" lifeform. It's only when there are countless simulated lifeforms (most likely happily interacting with each other) the odds start going in favour of simulation theory and being a simulated lifeform. Assuming the theory is even physically possible in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12338862]

>>12338598
for the love of god, please make it happen

[Anonymous No.12338875]

>>12338334
If you consider your children to be an extension of you, your brain isn't really required to keep ol' "technically 4+ billuon years old" firmly in the alive category

[Anonymous No.12338915]

>>12337911
why the fuck is this scary?? looks like it all meets your objective. your wish of suicide comes true more times than expected? wow spooky.
is it because your gun doesnt work? sounds kind of bad i guess but not scary. you'd give up eventually if your gun was defective though and try something that can't be quantum fucked like jumping off a building.
t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.12338932]

>>12337911
Yes, it's last forever, that's why you remember only last 20 years, and you aren't you without your memories.

That's quite it.

[Anonymous No.12339040]

>>12338915
Quantum immortality guarantees only consciousness, nothing else. You could be completely paralyzed, blind, deaf and the Earth and human species could go extinct.

Hell, even the heat death of the surrounding universe wouldn't end your suffering.

[Anonymous No.12339060]

>>12338013
>>12338334
It won't allow timelines where dying of old age cannot be avoided.

[Anonymous No.12339139]

>>12339040
Always better being alive

[Anonymous No.12339215]

>>12338592
This is especially true when you realized based Hispanics lean conservative.

[Anonymous No.12339510]

>>12338013

There's no such thing as dying of old age. It's just an expression.

There's no law of science that prevents you from living to be 300, 900, or even a million years old. Sure, your odds of living to those ages are infinitisemal, but if there are infinite universes it would have to happen somewhere.

And it's very unlikely you'd be in good health at such an old age. You'd probably be continuously coming infinitely close to dying without actually dying.

And forget about euthanasia, since you'd just end up in the universe where you survive the euthanasia attempt.

[Anonymous No.12339517]

>>12338543

I see this argument against QI all the time, and I don't really understand it at all.

Let's say that tomorrow, you do something that has a 50/50 chance of killing you. The versions of you that survive the event and the versions of you that die from the event are all you. They've yet to branch out from the current you.

If anything, there's a much better argument that the versions of you that die aren't really you. Because they're, well, dead and unable to experience anything.

[Anonymous No.12339527]

>>12339510
no, there is a hardcoded expiry limit on your cells, the probability you make it to 300 without completely rewriting how your cells are programmed to work is 0.

[Anonymous No.12339552]

>>12338230

See

>>12339040


On an infinite timeline, it would actually be inevitable that you'd become blind, paralyzed,
and deaf, and that humanity (except for you) would become extinct.

[Anonymous No.12339577]

>>12339510
>>12339040
Sounds pretty fucking stupid if you ask me

[Anonymous No.12339714]

Oh, God, more stuff about the Many Worlds Interpretation. I can't believe some people take that pseudoscientific BS seriously.

[I'm High No.12339792]

>>12337911
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think quantum immortality would make you truly immortal. Eventually you would exhaust all possible branching universes in which you could remain alive. Because of the unyielding increase in entropy in the universe(s), there would come a time when no more useful work could be done to maintain a brain, and at that time life and consciousness would cease to exist.
It's still hypothetically possible for quantum fluctuations to produce a functional brain---But if we start going down that rabbit hole, we find that it is more likely that a quantum vacuum would produce these brains at a much higher rate than it would produce actual universes. So chances are (If we accept all the potential implications of QM/QFT), you're a Boltzmann brain.

[Anonymous No.12339807]

>>12337911

this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum#Existential_threat

[Anonymous No.12339962]

>>12339714
This

[Anonymous No.12340811]

>>12339962

The only good argument for MWI I can think of is that there's a universe out there where people take MWI seriously.

Well, that, and there's also a universe out there where Donald J. Trump is POTUS.

[Anonymous No.12340848]

you still age and i dont think quantum immortality can defend you from that. Accidents maybe

[Anonymous No.12340859]

>>12339792

I think the general consensus about quantum immortality is that you'd die at the heat death of the universe. But, considering that's estimated to be 10^100 years from now, it's basically de facto immortality.

I think the idea of QI is that with infinite universes there not only will be universes where you're alive, but there also will be universes where you're conscious enough to notice things.

[Anonymous No.12340871]

>>12340848

That's why quantum immortality is so bad. It's immortality without a stop to aging. Akin to Tithonus from Greek mythology.

Another issue is that bad, permanently disabling events that are rare in a typical human lifetime (ie getting hit by a train and losing the lower half of your body) actually become 100% certain over an infinite timescale.

[Anonymous No.12340932]

>>12337911
Chaos Theory.
Everything and nothing and something in between.

[Anonymous No.12340942]

>>12337942
You can disprove it right now. Just shoot yourself in the head and stop making terrible pop-sci bullshit threads.

[Anonymous No.12341349]

>>12340942

What if you end up surviving, with brain damage?

That's what QI would predict.

[Anonymous No.12341761]

>>12337944
>he failed the Eternal Reoccurance test

[Anonymous No.12341870]

>>12337911
>Roko's basilisk
Why would the AI waste resources in punishing you if it already exists. It would make sense if it had a sense of revenge, but logically? I don't think so