What comes first? Cyborg bodies or Curing ageing?

[Anonymous No.12336436]

To me cyborg bodies seems sooner, its just a engineering challenge, then transplanting the internal organs into a internal bio-sac and replacing them with 3D printed replacements every few decades. whereas with curing ageing you are going to need decades of studies on the genetics, epigenetics and then individual development on therapies of each of the causes of ageing ( metabolic, genetic, epigenetic, chemical yada yada)

[Anonymous No.12336444]

it will be easier to clone organs than make cyborg bodies.

[Anonymous No.12336462]

>>12336444
did you ignore the part where i stated this? our internal organs would likely still remain biological (with some exceptions) but the muscular skeletal system would likely be entirely artificial in nature .

[Anonymous No.12336476]

>>12336436
Good luck with them brain transplants.

[Anonymous No.12336482]

>>12336476
its not exactly going to be a brain transplant, its going to be a brain transplant into a teflon coated skull cavity hooked up back up to its organs that got transplanted into the cyborg body, there will be no fuckery with reconnecting spinal cords or anything because itll all be done with bci, using fiber optics, implanted electrodes ect ect

[Anonymous No.12336487]

>>12336476
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/04/pig-brains-partially-revived-what-it-means-for-medicine-death-ethics/

we've actually already done this, although it said hours, the pig brains could have kept going indefinitely but they terminated them because of "muh ethics". the brains were kept in a coma during this time

[Anonymous No.12336617]

Oh shut the fuck up over the transhumanist meme.
Machine would NEVER be able to compete with actual flesh and blood.

In fact, it was already calculated that the brain is capable of calculating up to 10^24 per second.
The theoretical limit of computers would platue at 10^18 because that is the physical limit of any electrical devices. Once transistors hit 1nm, it's fucking over. Any further development is impossible because in order for any electrical devices to work, it has to break its dielectric breakdown and produce heat due to resistance. Heat damages everything.

On the other hand, the brain does so much more equations at the energy of a candy bar while producing 30C of heat.

The future of mankind would NOT be steel.
No, our future would be about trying to imitate the brain and synthesize our own artificial neurons for brain-in-a-jar like computers.

The future is flesh

And I haven't started with the topic of cyborgs being so prone to getting hacked if not outright enslaved

[Anonymous No.12336663]

>>12336462
There's loads of interactions between the those systems and internal organs. Blood cell production, for one.

[Anonymous No.12336668]

>>12336617
Yeah, this seems about right. The future will be lab-growing all sorts of organic tools considering how much can be done, just looking at animals right now.

[Anonymous No.12336677]

>>12336663
extract the bone marrow and have it in a tube like organ in the organ sack. theres not many interactions

[Anonymous No.12336680]

>>12336617
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremermann%27s_limit
thats a straight up lie, the theoretical limit for computing is MUCH MUCH higher than biological computing

[Anonymous No.12336682]

>>12336617
the future is; steel, plastic and ceramic biofag

[Anonymous No.12336685]

>>12336617
also i never said we would replace the brain u dumb nigger? just the body

[Anonymous No.12336690]

>>12336677
That's just one example; that's what I'm trying to say. The body is incredibly complicated; you can't just switch parts around with mechanical equivalents like rehousing a device.

[Anonymous No.12336707]

>>12336690
im not switching out any parts except for the muscles and bones, everything else can be transplanted and reconnected inline with each other in a internal sack, very little biological effects would happen, all the glands, everything can be removed and reconnected into a miniaturised circulatory system

[Anonymous No.12336767]

>>12336436
The initial therapies that give us an extra ~30 years will come from aging research no doubt. However, these therapies won't be a fully comprehensive 'cure' of aging. After those 30 years, which is a lot of time in science, I am unsure which approach will 'take the lead'. It could really go either way.

[Anonymous No.12336852]

>>12336680
That's for the limit of computing itself and not the physical limit of electrical devices.

It is possible to break the biological limit by using a combination of superconductors and combining many other computers

But then again, that too is no match compared to combining many brains into one. Doesn't matter if it artificial or natural grown. It is bound to be more more efficient than metal

[Anonymous No.12336858]

>>12336707
The guy is right, dude
Contrary to popular belief, the brain is not just on the head. Every single neuron is part of the brain and each one is capable of storing its own memory and respond to stimulus

Since conception, your brain creates its own body map and whenever something bad happens to your body, the brain immediately responds violently. Phantom limb for example produces huge amount of pain despite having no limb because the brain just cannot accept that one part is missing.

You cannot just remove and replace a body part, dude. Your muscle memory and other forms of soft data would dissapear along with the body part that you just removed

[Anonymous No.12336863]

>>12336852
You are completely wrong, computers right now already operate faster than human brains. Electricity moves faster than chemicals

[Anonymous No.12336865]

>>12336852
again i dont know why your bringing this up? i never suggested replacing the brain? i only suggested the musculoskeletal system

[Anonymous No.12336873]

>>12336863
No it doesn't
No it isn't

Standard home computers calculate at a pitiful 2billion per second. The biggest supercomputer is at 10^15

The only reason computers "look" fast is because all its computing are centered at 1 or few diffe.rent tasks whereas the brain calculates EVERYTHING on your body right at once. Your conciousness makes up less than 1% of the brain's daily schedule and it increases the most during dreaming.

Also, define electricity and define chemicals. The electricity that you are talking about has to react with various transistors, resistor,s capacitors, inductors, and many other circuitries just to produce a megabyte. Bear in mind that the more calculations it does, the hotter the system gets and conductivity of materials start to sag and may endanger data

The brain does everything at the cost of a teaspoon of sugar while producing very little heat

[Anonymous No.12336886]

>>12336858
phantom limb pain wont exist, nor will you lose and kind of soft data if you stimulate the same neurons as if it was the real limb, which is totally doable using something like a whole cortex neural link

[Anonymous No.12336899]

>>12336886
Yeah right.
As if.
Newflash: the brain does not store any memory that a machine can copy. Every single memory are remade everytime it is needed.
If a machine cannot beat the brain's computing power, then it would not be able to beat the brain's security protocols.

Maybe try killing off some braincells so it can be more "convenient"? Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.12336902]

>>12336873
You should read Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies

[Anonymous No.12336911]

>>12336899
motor cortex "memories" are very very simple in comparison to other memories, a computer could absolutely emulate them

[Anonymous No.12337108]

>>12336436
Life extension technolog could arrive in a decade or two. A full cyborg body would take more than 50 years to be implemented as you need to have a perfect BCI, synthetic body and the ability to enact such surgery.

[Anonymous No.12337113]

>>12336617
Isn't genetic engineering transhumanist as well?

[Anonymous No.12337151]

Are you talking about some silicone based life in a timeline when actual bioengineering isn’t even real yet?

[Anonymous No.12337170]

stem cells anon. they just need to find a way to make them cheaper.

[Anonymous No.12337532]

>>12336617
It's OK anon. Let all the nerds upload their brains into machines. Then some Russian kids will hack their consciousness into an eternity of Meatspin.

[Anonymous No.12337756]

>>12336617
Yeah, I sorta agree here. Sure, a computer can beat a Chess Grand Master, but for a computer to actually truely surpass a human, it would need to be capable of that, AND be able to make better sandwiches, AND be better at aesthetic design AND holding sheets, and the list goes on. The amount of computing power required for general intelligence is insane.

I see the next stage in humanity being (hopefully) nanotechnology to cure aging (hopefully soon, I'd rather not die), and neural implants like calculators to build upon the shortcomings of the brain. No reason you can't just improve upon what we already have.

[Anonymous No.12337766]

>>12336617
You're a transhumanist too anon, just of a different sort.

[Anonymous No.12337783]

>>12336444
Cloning isn't curing aging though. You die, it's as simple as that. Sure, someone sorta similar to you lives on, but for you, it's over. You will never see your friends or family again, you will read a book again. Youre dead. Kinda defeats the whole point of curing aging if your consciousness ends

[Anonymous No.12338402]

>>12337766
Nope.
I don't like the idea of redesigning the human body because that is playing god.
Every single plant and animal we domesticated and redesigned has become completely helpless and would go extinct in the wild.

If you redesign the human body, said person would most definitely lose his ability to survive on his own and be cursed with an eternity of servitude to society as yet another nameless brick

[Anonymous No.12338424]

>>12338402
>Every single plant and animal we domesticated and redesigned has become completely helpless and would go extinct in the wild
This is completely untrue. Cattle spend most of their lives free ranging away from human supervision. Sure, some cow breeds are helpless, but most cattle are fine without humans.
Pigs literally revert to wild mode after only a few months, even growing hair and tusks. They are also fine.
Dogs and cats likewise can do fine on their own. Of course there are some types of dogs and some types of cats that can't, but in general, they are fine. Lots of cats spend most of their time outdoors anyway, and are extremely effective hunters.

[Anonymous No.12338524]

>>12336617
This guy is right . Wetware is the future.

[Anonymous No.12338578]

>>12338402
You could redesign the human body to be more independent from others, posthuman minds could become exdependent to all necessities other than than the need for energy and material.

[Anonymous No.12338616]

>>12338424
Add the pressure of predator and lets see how they fare
Newsflash
Our pets are literal defective animals whose aggression was intentionally reduced to be safe for human society.

The same aggression needed to keep an animal safe and competitive in the real world

[Anonymous No.12338726]

>>12338616
"Newsflash", Cattle and wild hogs already deal with predators. In the Western US, cattle just live mostly out on their own (I'm not talking about Dairy Cows). There's a reason cattle existed in the first place, it's a good anime. It's huge, it's hard to take down, they live in herds.
And as I've already explained, Hogs/Pigs are literally the same animal. Pigs just go back to being hogs, and even regrow their tusks and fur when they are not in captivity. As for Dogs and Cats, they ARE predictors. Sure, kittens and puppies will sometimes get carried off by birds, but that's true of almost any mammal.
Look, I agree that flesh is superior in computing power to machines, but stop with the "playing god" fallacy. If God didn't want people messing with genetics, why give people imperfect bodies and the ability to correct it?

[Anonymous No.12338742]

>>12337783
Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.12338756]

>>12338726
No, really.

All domesticated animals have a smaller brain compared to the wild ones precisely because we designed them to abandon the concept of aggression and fearfulness so they could intermingle with humans.

Some may survive, yes. But they would survive by returning to their wild side and abandoning what humans forced upon them.

Same goes to plants that have lost their ability to breed in the wild or even outright lost their genetic diversity.

Nature's design is tried and tested as perfect for survival.
Any other modifications is better only for specific tasks that may or may not cost the person's ability to survive on his own.

As such, Don't play god.

[Anonymous No.12338864]

>>12338756
>Don't play God
every time someone says this restarted phrase, my first instinct is just to genetically engineer some little bastard to make a weird biotech Chimera, just so it can make out with other chimeric partners giving birth to all sorts of eldretich offspring.

[Anonymous No.12338867]

>>12338864
>retarded phrase //

[Anonymous No.12338889]

>>12336436
All adults should get cybernetic eyes because real ones are shitty

[Anonymous No.12338929]

>>12336436
Curing aging will NEVER happen. There has been no actual progress in the entire history of the field, which is decades long.

[Anonymous No.12338948]

>>12338929
www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(16)31664-6?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867416316646%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

[Anonymous No.12338955]

>>12338948
No. I've read all your papers. I've heard all your arguments. You have nothing. 30 years and you have NOTHING.

[Anonymous No.12338956]

>>12338756
>Don't play god.
Wrong board.

[Anonymous No.12338960]

>>12338955
https://www.nature.com/articles/d4158 6-019-02 638-w

[Anonymous No.12338966]

>>12338960
You just go ahead and let me know when there's a medicine or therapy released for the public that can be used to ACTUALLY cure aging. Not theoretically. Actually. I've been hearing bullshit stories like this for years. No progress.

[Anonymous No.12338971]

>>12338756
>Nature's design is tried and tested as perfect for survival.
Nature has no design (appendix) and it cerainly not perfect. Natural selection has not perfection as product, but getting by.
>may not cost the person's ability to survive on his own.
Nanosymbiotic treatments, biomodded organs and other augmentations operating on a closed system would not dependent on a external infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.12338993]

>>12338966
The Salk Insitute is trusthworthy and researchers believe that induction of epigenetic changes, via chemicals administrated in creams or injections, may be the most promising approach to achieve rejuvenation in humans. However, due to the complexity of aging, these therapies may take up to 10 years to reach clinical trials. Once these trials have proven successfull it may take another decade to released to the public. Still progress is being made.

[Anonymous No.12339014]

>>12338993
Okay. Check back with me when they have something that even reduces aging that is available as a real therapy to the public. There have been gullible retards saying the same shit you are all my life. No progress.

[Anonymous No.12339024]

>>12338971
Wisdom tooth, appendix, goosebumps, and tailbone is called evolutionary left overs. All those disadvantages were once useful traits and are on the way out.

And please shut that technobabble.
Everything has its side effects
If it's active, it would require power. If it's passive, it would have its chemical side effects. Probably both

Look at meth and cocaine. They used to be the panacea of health what an error that was.

[Anonymous No.12339046]

>>12338864
Funny.
Because it IS a phrase taken directly from Frankenstein.

[Anonymous No.12339058]

>>12339024
>If it's active, it would require power.
You would probably eat more to power the symbionts within your body but as artifical pseudo-bacteria they would be self-replicating and healing and would only affect your body.

[Anonymous No.12339064]

>>12339046
From the movie. The phrase never appeared in the book.

[Anonymous No.12339086]

>>12339058
It's a fictional technology. No such thing as technology that has no flaws.

What if you got hit by an EMP causing your nanobots to die. Would you die as well?
Would the dead robots on your body clog up your vessels and rapture your lungs?
What if it malfunctioned and begun destorying your organs?

As far as evolution is concerned, a design exists because it was proven effective for survival in a given niche

Any other modifications are effective only for specific tasks and not for other. Armor are good for combat, not for long walks.

[Anonymous No.12339164]

>>12339086
>What if you got hit by an EMP causing your nanobots to die. Would you die as well?
Depends on the type of nanomachines, you can have fully biological one or one`s that are based on XNA. Molecular computing or optic computing wouldn`t be affected by EMPs as well. They wouldn`t be unlike blood cells, should they get damaged they could be reused by your body.
Technology has brought us to the moon, not nature. Nature is a blind chaos and we can improve and use it for our benefit.

[Anonymous No.12339177]

>>12336436
Curing ageing is what the braindead bilionnaires want.

[Anonymous No.12339184]

>>12339086
Biology is inferior to the inorganic while we biological constructs decay, the inorganic which is literally the rest of the universe exists for a really long time. The only reason humans would like to remain biological is probably pleasure from sex or whatever primitive animal behavior. but theres just no reason to remain in these limited shells.

[Anonymous No.12339213]

>>12339177
Well if it is, they've either hid it phenomenally well or they're too stupid to figure it out. Because they don't seem to have it either.

[Anonymous No.12339216]

>>12339184
>Biology is inferior to the inorganic
I strongly refute your words

[Anonymous No.12339235]

>>12336436 Why not both. Also those are probably mostly synergistic fields of research. You need brain health research at the least. And you can't just replace parts of the body as if they were isolated from the rest of it either.

[Anonymous No.12339247]

>>12339216

[Anonymous No.12339315]

>>12338524

[Anonymous No.12339434]

>>12336707
What the fuck do you know about what bones and muscles do? Did you forget about fucking electrolyte balance? You can't even make a car last 20 years good as new and you think you can replace whole fucking biochemical systems just because you're too ignorant to realize their function?

[Anonymous No.12339439]

>>12336886
How the fuck are you mapping the prosthesis exactly the way the lost limb was mapped? Fucking dumbass.

[Anonymous No.12339530]

>>12339434
>You can't even make a car last 20 years good as new

We totally can, but that would be bad for business.

[Anonymous No.12339675]

>>12339164
Yeah, sure. And how does the nanobots know whether it has made enough of itself and where it can fine resources to use as building materials?

Newsflash:
Every single manmade object is prone to malfunction.

I whole heartedly support prosthetics but the only time you should diddle with your organs is when you have complications. If you want to "upgrade", use exoskeleton or whatever. Do not let them inject you with the magic juice.

Fuck's sake. We have so many before and after of celebs who went plastic surgery and whatnot. Don't risk it

Also, piss off with that arrogance. Mankind is a product of nature and continues to rely on it. And always would otherwise it isn't man to start with.

[Anonymous No.12339677]

>>12339184
Dumbass.
Biology IS the result of inorganic materials forming complex structures.

[Anonymous No.12339804]

I won’t rest until we have cyborg trannies

[Anonymous No.12339967]

Why do you think any of this would be legal? You aren't even allowed to apply current technology and that's hardly a game changer.

Why would ethics committees, technological assessment bodies and society at large allow anyone to become a cyborg or to create what amounts to a different human subspecies?

You aren't even allowed to make use of performance enhancing drugs. Genetics research is already censored to prevent people from doing their own modifications.

[Anonymous No.12339976]

>>12339967
Before anyone come out and tell you that society is pussies (again)

It's illegalized less because of morals but because of chances of creating super diseases

[Anonymous No.12340014]

>>12336617
>doesn't know about optical computing

[Anonymous No.12340017]

>>12340014
uh huh
And how fas is it?

[Anonymous No.12340019]

>>12340017
Vastly better than electrical

[Anonymous No.12340020]

neither, dumb futurist

[Anonymous No.12340021]

>>12340019
>There are disagreements between researchers about the future capabilities of optical computers; whether or not they may be able to compete with semiconductor-based electronic computers in terms of speed, power consumption, cost, and size is an open question. Critics note that[8] real-world logic systems require "logic-level restoration, cascadability, fan-out and input–output isolation", all of which are currently provided by electronic transistors at low cost, low power, and high speed. For optical logic to be competitive beyond a few niche applications, major breakthroughs in non-linear optical device technology would be required, or perhaps a change in the nature of computing itself.[9]

Nah.
If it is, research institutes would use it

[Anonymous No.12340024]

>>12336617
>producing 30C of heat.
absolute state of sci

[Anonymous No.12340273]

>>12336436
Curing ageing is impossible. You need to design the thing from scratch. There's a book about octopuses that explains this really well, but basically, because we don't live longer than we do, every single system in our body is optimized to perform during our lifespan and as a consequence fail at the end. So you basically need to redesign everything.

[Anonymous No.12340483]

>>12340024
This lmfao

[Anonymous No.12340542]

>>12336617
> The theoretical limit of computers would platue at 10^18 because that is the physical limit of any electrical devices.
Get a processor with 10^18 FLOPS. Add 9 extra cores. Now I have a processor with 10^19 FLOPS

The brain runs on parallel computation too anon.

[Anonymous No.12340681]

>>12336617
>animenigger is also a regressive Luddite coping with his inferior biological body
lmao

[Anonymous No.12340699]

>>12336617
You just supplement or enhance existing organs with minor cost-effective implants as opposed to outright replacing them, allowing you to have a biological body but vastly improved with synthetics. Eventually, you find some way to upload your consciousness into prepared stored bodies should your current one be fatally injured or lost. You keep doing this and improving upon the design until you're a six-foot-nine Giga chad with two hundred and seventy degrees of vision and an analog mind.

[Anonymous No.12340752]

>>12339675
>And how does the nanobots know whether it has made enough of itself
The same as your body does but better as it can built cells far smaller and faster than what carbon biology could offer us.
>where it can fine resources to use as building materials?
Bloodstream.
>Also, piss off with that arrogance.
Can you be arrogant against stone?

[Anonymous No.12340775]

>>12339675
>Fuck's sake. We have so many before and after of celebs who went plastic surgery and whatnot. Don't risk it
are you seriously comparing the next step in human evolution to fucking cosmetic plastic surgery? You are pants on head retarded.

[Anonymous No.12340804]

>>12339675
>Mankind is a product of nature and continues to rely on it.
we don't rely on it, retard, we bend it to our will and have been doing so in some form or manner for thousands of years. The entire reason that you're even able to communicate your worthless Luddite puritan opinions is due to the fact that you, unfortunately, have a computer made of artificial materials connected to a vast network of machines that are so alien to the absurd, esoteric chaos of nature that they may as well be from another dimension.

[Anonymous No.12340809]

>>12339675
>Don't risk it
don't tell me what to do, anime tranny.

[Anonymous No.12340813]

>>12339675
>Every single manmade object is prone to malfunction.
They don't have to be, and even then a malfunction is many times better than the abyss of organic death.

[Anonymous No.12341081]

>>12337783
at least Bridgitte Bardot will always exist

[Anonymous No.12341089]

>>12338756
>Nature's design is tried and tested as perfect for survival.
Natural selection would like to have a word with you

[Anonymous No.12341209]

>>12337783
ORGAN cloning, not cloning an entire version of you. You would clone vital organs and swap them out while preserving and rejuvenating your existing brain.

[Anonymous No.12341214]

>>12341089
Natural selection clearly didn't have a word with him, as he would have died from forgetting how to breathe under natural circumstances.

[El Arcón No.12341235]

>What comes first? Cyborg bodies or Curing ageing?
Neither. The grass should grow for its season and that's it.

[Anonymous No.12341242]

>>12340542
That's 6 zeroes you have to beat.
1M times.
1 million

>>12340752
Not possible, mate.
No such thing as "better" without extra cost.
It is a fictional tech so you can have freedom of imagination but always remember that every functioning technology has a cost.

>>12340775
You're right.
I should instead compare it with crackheads and potheads. They have totally upgraded their systems into the next step in human evolution via drugs.

>>12340804
>>12340809
>>12340813
Oh suuuuuuuure
>install bionic upgrades offered by (them)
>brain gets hacked

[Anonymous No.12341253]

>>12341242
>No such thing as "better" without extra cost.
The extra cost being to eat more?
>>brain gets hacked
Baselines would be easier hacked as transhuman could simply connect their MMI or nanomachines to a baseline and he would have no defenses to combat intrusions. A transhuman would atleast have some firewalls in the form of own nanomachines or autosentient mind detections. It might be easier to attempt to hack a transhuman but the overwrite is harder to accomplish. And if such transhuman isn`t part of a connected system, a first attempt of a hack will be even harder to do than with a baseline as a transhuman has a easier time to detect memetic or cybernetic manipulations. Also either do it yourself or buy it from a trustworthy source.

[Anonymous No.12341261]

>>12341253
Nigger shut
Nanobots can be taken down in a flash using EMP, ultrasound, and x-ray
Can't say the same to someone who relies on it for their survival

[Anonymous No.12341266]

>>12341261
>Nanobots can be taken down in a flash using EMP, ultrasound, and x-ray
see >>12339164

[Anonymous No.12341275]

>>12341266
If it cannot be destroyed by EMP, then it has no form of communication either.
It's called a bioweapon

[Anonymous No.12341288]

>>12341261
>Can't say the same to someone who relies on it for their survival
Lets take a step back. If your goal is survival and being fully independent from human society then posthumanism is your best bet. With a Molecular Assembler and a Solar Plate you would be able to exist for a billion without the need of others.
But this is the distant future. A transhuman commune whose members have been genetically engineered, nanotechnologically enhanced and got cybernetic augs will have a easier time to deal with the ravages of life. They could live far freer from megacorps and goverments than any baselines. Such a transhuman commune would be far more adapted to space thus one should expect the first space nations to be popualted by such transhumans. Even on earth a transhuman commune could settle in regions deadly to humans and built their own societies. From arctic habitats, to underwater habitats or desert habitats, transhuman will have an advantage over baselines. All you really need for a transhuman soceity is either a bioprinter, a molecular assember, a potent energy source (solar, fusion) and material. These independent transhumans commune may not have access to the best and most potent transhuman augs but they live free from goverment or megacorp. If that`s what you want.

[Anonymous No.12341301]

>>12341288
Sorry, but the best possible computer loses to the brain.

If you want to pull some bulshit tech, then simply pull some tech about using artificial brains that has the computing speed of 1million supercomputers while consuming just a teasepoon of meth

[Anonymous No.12341307]

>>12341301
>Sorry, but the best possible computer loses to the brain.
The best theoretical computer would be able to process 5.09911 E21 bits per second and storing approximately 4.88 E20 bits within its structure. That`s far beyond the human brain.

[Anonymous No.12341311]

>>12341307
Yeah, if you don't use electricity running on metal

[Anonymous No.12341334]

>>12341311
Superconductor

[Anonymous No.12341341]

>>12341334
Brain
2 Brains

[Anonymous No.12341424]

>>12341242
>smug anime poster is retarded and factually incorrect
pottery

[Anonymous No.12341448]

>>12341242
comparing crackheads and potheads, people who use biological drugs in order to induce a biological reaction for largely superficial and degenerate purposes to people who partake in the obvious and inevitable next phase of humanity for very real and very pragmatic reasoning is retarded and disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.12341455]

>>12341235
>yeah lol even if there's an obvious and completely plausible means of escaping the neverending void of death you should just blindly accept the endless abyss that's waiting for you because the unnatural thing bad
>lol I'm such a cuck to nature I will literally die, never to ever exist again for all eternity because nature good
you deserve to enter oblivion, retard.

[Anonymous No.12341472]

>>12341242
>>brain gets hacked
good, that way I would finally have some kind of higher purpose and would able to leave my autistic existence of mediocrity behind.

[Anonymous No.12341475]

>>12341448
Meth = super drug used by soldiers
Weed = medically useful for relieving pain and causing increased cognitive abilities. Popular among artists
Nicotine = also increases cognition and relaxes your nerves

Anything can look like next phase of humanity if you remove the long-term effects

[Anonymous No.12341486]

>>12336436
Curing aging is already here. Just as Kurzweil calculated it from what was in the labs a decade ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZr2LTTNS8

[Anonymous No.12341506]

>>12336767

[Anonymous No.12341510]

Why are naysayers on this thread such dickheads? We get it, the idea of immortality discomforts you. No, you don't need to be the 70000000th person to come and say 'hurr we're meant to die' or 'hurr evil billionaire dystopia'. How about watching less disney films, putting on your diapers and let people research it in peace?

[Anonymous No.12341517]

>>12341475
because drugs have well known and documented side effects that are in large part due to their inflammatory, unbalanced nature as consumables, and not as an integrated part of the user's body? If one was to be augmented, the implants would be ideally designed to have a permanent effect that would supplement or outright replace existing material while working in tandem with other bodily functions. Nobody with an IQ above room temperature ever claims that shooting heroin or smoking meth is the next step in our evolution because these are volatile boosters designed to give a certain high that is not a permanent part of the user. You honestly don't sound like you've ever taken a single drug in your life and thus have no real experience to base your assumptions off of, and are just rattling off a script of disapproval towards something that you assume to be like drugs, but really isn't.

[Anonymous No.12341546]

>>12341517
uh huh
And does that mean that your bionics would not have the same adverse effects if not more?

[Anonymous No.12341558]

The moment we invent AI everything will change. It will sove all oyur problems and turn us into immortal gods or kill us for good

[Anonymous No.12341577]

>>12341558
LMAO
Go back to /tv/

[Anonymous No.12341593]

>>12338929
(Modern) biology is a science that is still very young, not even 50 years old...

Same for medicine, we are just beginning to cure and understand diseases.

imo, the big step we are all waiting for is to understand and cure cellular degeneration (Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc.).

[Anonymous No.12341605]

>>12341510
It's just he far-right wing and their wish of apocalypse (we need the end of the world to welcome again Jesus). They are the most stupid doomers.

[Anonymous No.12341616]

>>12341546
>uh huh
Good god, you reek of odious, smug undeserved condescension. But no, the augments would be designed, ideally, to such a standard that they would have a permanent effect that would become the body's new norm, not an unstable high with a shopping list of side effects. The adverse effects, if there were any, would not be the same as those of meth or heroin or weed and would be worth it anyway, given that the purpose would be much greater than being a crackhead. Adverse effects are already severe with biological baseline bodies, but we power through them anyway because we're not pussies that fold at the first sign of pain or discomfort. We can adapt and overcome these side effects partly because the reward, immortality, or longevity of some kind, is so absolutely worth it that any cost that may arise is an acceptable one.

[Anonymous No.12341629]

>>12341616
Tell me more
Tell me more of how a device that can perfectly mimic the neurons and fool the brain, would totally not be used for drugging the brain into orgasmic sensations, resulting into massive adverse effects

[Anonymous No.12341674]

>>12338756
reddi-

[Anonymous No.12341757]

>>12341629
>mimic the neurons and fool the brain
can you just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.12341767]

>>12341629
Retard.

[Anonymous No.12341800]

>>12341629
I was referring to implants given to internal organs to supplement their functions or to enhance them, not replacing the brain or replicating it entirely. These augments would not be given for the sole purpose of orgasmic pleasure, though that would be achievable and desirable, and such tech already exists, they would be given for more practical purposes, such as extending natural abilities or making the human body more adaptable to extreme conditions, creating an impenetrable immune system, enhanced musculoskeletal system or rapid healing capabilities. An induced orgasmic high need not necessarily have massive adverse side effects, and one could always exert self-control, or some kind of regulation could be enforced, much like how your body enforces certain natural inhibitors that prevent you from eating yourself into a coma or masturbating until your cock bleeds.

[Anonymous No.12341812]

>>12341629
>mimic the neurons and fool the brain

[Anonymous No.12341863]

>>12341800
It's so easy to find a popscifag by listening to their rablings about utopian techs without even trying to think of what it would cost and how it could possibly function

Rule of thumb of any device: it requires
power/fuel , maintenance, upgrade, and security

If such wonderous technologies exists, they would exist without having any need to be stuffed inside you or at least not permanently. Modifying or augmenting the body is a health hazard that includes but is not limited to the the issues of
cellular rejection, chemical imbalance, chemical side effects, mechanical deterioration, heavy metal poisoning, short circuitries, battery leakage, sensory overload, false negatives/positives, data corruption, and many other issues that depends based on how it was constructed, applied, powered, and maintained

Sorry.
But anyone who promises a utopia shall deliver a dystopia

[Anonymous No.12341894]

>>12341863
Based. Its this, idol worship and an aversion to math that are the halmarks of a popscifag.

[Anonymous No.12341920]

>>12341863
I never denied that such tech will be without costs or side effects, but what tech doesn't? The argument of such technology not needing to be inside of you is retarded because its placement inside of you is vital to its function and is the entire crux of its purpose, without it being placed inside of you it wouldn't be an augment and it wouldn't work because your body is a vital component in its operation. It's like saying that if a car was such a good vehicle, it wouldn't require gasoline, or oil, or tires and wheels. I never denied that it's a potential health hazard, but so is life-saving surgery, or walking across the road, or breathing, or existing. I'm not even going to touch the ''issues'' you raised because most of them don't apply to biotech or are simply avoidable or treatable. Nor did I ever say that the rise of transhumanism would create a utopia, quite the opposite, as it's likely that it would cause quite the uproar from dull, regressive idiots that can't handle change or progress and would rather that humanity stagnate and go extinct than have their puritan notions challenged or invalidated, but it would certainly improve the lives of many people and open up new possibilities for what humanity can do, and may even save the human race from seemingly impervious problems long believed to be apocalyptic. It's the inevitable future of the human race whether you like it or not, and is the natural trajectory of technology today. As for the notion of it being pop science fiction, well, people used to say the same thing about carriages that wouldn't need to be driven by a horse, or computers that could fit on a desk, or launching a satellite into orbit, or studying distant planets and stars, yet all of this was achieved in reality. We already have neural augmentation in the form of Nueralink, biological longevity has already been invented. What's absurd or surreal today becomes a reality tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.12341924]

>>12341894
>popscifag
you just replied to yourself, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.12341930]

>>12341924
No. I'm a different person, but I adopted the term because I'm too tired to come up with something original. Whats your better term?

[Anonymous No.12341935]

>>12341863
>cellular rejection, chemical imbalance, chemical side effects, mechanical deterioration, heavy metal poisoning, short circuitries, battery leakage, sensory overload, false negatives/positives, data corruption,

[Anonymous No.12341943]

>>12341920
It's called an exoskeleton suit and it offers all those improvements without any need to cut you up

0 health hazards and should any malfunction happen, simply take them off and buy a new one. Power source is external and therefore has no need to be miniaturized.

You popscifags lack any sense of common sense and just go straight to sci-fi cliches

[Anonymous No.12341945]

>>12341863
Satou makes me coom

[Anonymous No.12341948]

>>12341943
>exoskeleton suit
>posts picture of medieval armor
how do you remember how to breathe?

[Anonymous No.12341957]

>>12341948
It is an exoskeleton suit though

[Anonymous No.12341959]

>>12341957
Lol but it makes it harder to move and saps your strength instead

[Anonymous No.12341962]

>>12341943
>an exoskeleton can provide the same benefits as internal transformative augmentation
>posts medieval armor
ok

[Anonymous No.12341969]

>>12341957
It's an exoskeleton in the same sense that a horse-drawn carriage is technically a vehicle; it's primitive, inefficient, and is a bad example to use for your argument.

[Anonymous No.12341973]

>>12341969
Are you happy now?

[Anonymous No.12341974]

>>12341943
External can only go so far before you have to go internally to provide any benefit. You'd hit a ceiling with exoskeletons very fast, meanwhile, internal augmentation can do a lot more with less material and less space.

[Anonymous No.12341981]

>>12341974
False.
If you have the technology to make a powerful device small enough to fit inside the body, then you have the tech to make something better outside the body

[Anonymous No.12341992]

>>12341981
No. You don't. You *need* to put them inside of the body for them to work or at the very least to perform optimally. They will need to be invasive either way, so it's better to put them inside the body where they can be stored securely and compactly as opposed to making something clunky that sits outside of the body for no reason other than to be obtuse.

[Anonymous No.12342006]

>>12341992
You can fit so much more machinery outside and can be powered externally with toxic batteries. You only have to make the suit comfy and clean.

You remove it only when it needs maintance or upgrades.

The hell is a bionic man? Oh right, the guy who lives on the operating table

[Anonymous No.12342016]

>>12342006
Not him, but I'd assume that they would find some way to use the bioenergy produced by the body to power the augments, or find some way to circumvent the toxic effect.

[Anonymous No.12342018]

>>12342016
That's nice
An exoskeleton suit can be powered by nuclear batteries and make you immune to radiation

[Anonymous No.12342248]

>>12342018
Physical Augmentation is inferior to Mental Augmentations. And you could just install a cyber brain inside a exoskeleton and that one would proof stronger than a baseline within one as it could be more resistant to acceleration.

[Anonymous No.12342326]

>>12342248
Why place a cyber brain when you could just add a real brain?

All the AIs in the world and beyond would lose to a brain that was given many more neurons. Artificial and natural

[Anonymous No.12342387]

>>12336436

"Curing aging" combined with an already overpopulated earth and a still growing population will lead to to the downfall of our civilization. just get used to dying someday.

[Anonymous No.12342548]

>>12342387
Earth could feed with modern technology 40 billion, with fusion a trillion people. And by that we would have built space habitats to house quintillions. Get Futurist-pilled.

[Anonymous No.12342560]

>>12342326
A cyberbrain is a cybernetic brain,its either a fully biological brain embedded in a support system and connected to a BCI or it underwent a full Moravec Transfer. One can built smaller brain cells with a greater degree of complexity than what a natural brain could be. It would outperfom a biological brain in all abilities.
>All the AIs in the world and beyond would lose to a brain that was given many more neurons. Artificial and natural
In time you will be able to built a substrate far better than any analog system could. The benefit of a digital mind would be it easy access to knowledge and its ability to mind shift between substrates.

[Anonymous No.12342562]

>>12336482
So like an exoskeleton basically?

[Anonymous No.12342573]

>>12342560
If your system relies on electricity, it can go fuck off.
Real biological brain is far superior than machines ever could

[Anonymous No.12342578]

>>12342562
One could also inject with nanomachines to boost perfomance and gradually replace its natural brain cells with artifical, smaller ones. You can then put it in any shell you want and are ready to go.

[Anonymous No.12342594]

>>12342578
Nigger shut the fuck up
Nanomachines are nanometer in size.
The brain is a literal quantum computer and does more computing than any computer ever could

[Anonymous No.12342602]

>>12342548

sure, sure

[Anonymous No.12342604]

>>12342573
>If your system relies on electricity, it can go fuck off.
Like the brain? You can also have computer or Moravec brains based on optical or molecular computing.
>Real biological brain is far superior than machines ever could
Not really, a brain dies too fast, operates too low and parallel computing isn`t impossible for a digital computer to accomplish: https://numenta.com/assets/pdf/research-publications/papers/Sparsity-Enables-50x-Performance-Acceleration-Deep-Learning-Networks.pdf

[Anonymous No.12342609]

>>12342594
>The brain is a literal quantum computer and does more computing than any computer ever could
Quantum woo is the last refuge of the incompetent.

[Anonymous No.12342630]

>>12342604
>>12342609
Just shut the fuck up, bitch.
There is NOTHING that could be better than the brain other than another brain.

Transistors shall platue at 1nm
Machines can only attain 1nm
A DNA strand alone holds 23 chromosomes in a single DNA strand
A single chromosome is worth 3 parts which can be spliced further into its molecular latice

Machines would stop at 1nm otherwise the electricity shall heat it too high and damage data
So shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.12342644]

>>12342602
40 billion people or in case of fusion 1 trillion people living on earth would mean that nature would cease to exist and everything would be arcologies and farms. Not exactly a appealing future. Life extension Immortality itself would not mean a explosive growth of people as the rate of death is minimal to the rate we grow. We may never plateau in popualtion and grow eternally but it would be in managable scales. If we would get life extension technology in the 2050s its effect would be that instead of reaching 11 billion in 2100 we would reach it in 2095 because the distrubution would mean that only the developed world and the richer parts of the rest would have access to it and the grow rate is far more important to the statistic than the decline. The future will be arcologies but we will not be bound to one planet and if fusion gets going vertical farming on earth alone could feed us for millenia.

[Anonymous No.12342649]

>>12342630
Are you retarded? A DNA strand doesn’t hold 23 chromosomes lmao

[Anonymous No.12342660]

>>12342649
Let me rephrase that.
A single DNA strand holds 3meter worth of nucleotides.

Your nanomachines cannot even dream of attaining such precision and efficiency

[Anonymous No.12342676]

>>12336617
Thats assuming *wires* only, you could make electrical machines function the same as neurons, capable of multiple junctions. Plus you could have off-source brains doing peripheral calculations, communicating via radio

[Anonymous No.12342684]

>>12342630
>There is NOTHING that could be better than the brain other than another brain.
Incorrect, the human brain is lightyears away from the Bremermann's Limit. Nanooptical computers boosted with superconductive circuits connected by carbon nanotubes would outperfom the human brain and could be used in region deadly for it like space and ultra-cool/hot regions. Better yet would be computers that would store information in the form of localized conformation changes or charges speratly on a macromolecular framework. Even the Babbage computing could make a return by being nanofacutred rod-logic systems.
In the eternity of tomorrow we may also see computers using the properties of black holes or foamed space-time. These computers would near the Limit. More terrifying yet would be reversible computing. The human brain is not the zenith of thought, you won`t be able to built a dyson swarm using them. Get your Matrix machines out of here.

[Anonymous No.12342692]

>>12342630
The smallest cell is Mycoplasma. It is about 10 micrometer in size. You can built nanomachines far smaller than that, within that nanomachine you could have nanoassembler that could print XNA far more complex than natural DNA could ever be and again you don`t need to power them with elecricity. How often do I have to repeat that?

[Anonymous No.12342693]

>>12336436
cyborg bodies that run on fairy dust? that selfrepair with nanotech vodoo? There are millions of issues that scifi just ignores.

We already have working bodies, we just need to tune them.

Not happening soon.

[Anonymous No.12342698]

>>12342676
No it fucking can't you stupid bitch!
Do you even understand basic physics?
In order for conductivity to happen, electricity has to break the di-electric breakdown
Heat is generated via resistance
And conductivity decreases with heat.
The less conductive it is, the more electricity is needed, generating more heat until the circuitry finally fries

And that's just for electricity. The concept of semi-conductors are even more delicate.

>>12342684
>it would totally break it
>source: my ass
Call me once you had ACTUAL quantified data that proved so.
You use the word "nano" over and over without even the slightest idea of small you have to actually go in order to match the efficiency of the brain.

[Anonymous No.12342700]

>>12342692
>cell
lul
The brain is a chemistry set and build its cells using special molecules that cannot be found naturally. Its level of precision is literally at the quantum level.

[Anonymous No.12342713]

>>12342700
>Its level of precision is literally at the quantum level.
Just like the chemistry of the stomage or the combustion. we know since Libet and co that qunatum potential are not nearly strong enough to affect the electircal impuse system of the brain by several magnitudes

[Anonymous No.12342720]

>European robins may maintain quantum entanglement in their eyes a full 20 microseconds longer than the best laboratory systems, say physicists investigating how birds may use quantum effects to “see” Earth's magnetic field
A literal quantum level
This is how much precision you have to go just to beat the brain.

A quantum computing done by a bird the size of your palm

So shut the fuck up. I'm going to do my laundry

>>12342713
uh huh.
And to this day, we haven't found how the brain stores data. If it is just chemicals, a basic chemist can cook up any historical event in a pot.

Let alone machines that are many times the size of a molecule

[Anonymous No.12342750]

>>12342720
>European robins may maintain quantum entanglement in their eyes a full 20 microseconds longer than the best laboratory systems, say physicists investigating how birds may use quantum effects to “see” Earth's magnetic field
Interesting.

I know that Penrose was fascinated with the quantum effects within the brain but the processes made within it are not fundamentally different from other organic processes. Even classic computers have quantum effects, we can observe such actions everywhere as the qunatum realm is the basis of everything and the brain space is not special. And yes, we know that drugs can hack the brain and mess it up and we can induce the feeling of memory to it. Future surgery may create false memories.

Just because we do not know how the brain works and we do not know quantum theory, that doesn`t mean that both are connected. But they might be and we might replicate it as we also got quantum computing going and with genetic engineering we can replicate and augment any biological process.

[Anonymous No.12343268]

>>12342750
>The avian magnetic compass of the robin has been extensively researched and uses vision-based magnetoreception, in which the robin's ability to sense the magnetic field of the earth for navigation is affected by the light entering the bird's eye. The physical mechanism of the robin's magnetic sense is not fully understood, but may involve quantum entanglement of electron spins
It is absolutely different from the pigeon that uses crystals on their beak to tell north or whales that have magnetic particles in their brain

It's a literal quantum entanglement done in their eyes. The same technology used for MRI, Nuclear imaging, particle accelerators, quantum computing and cryptography.

All done by a brain barely 10g in weight. And please bear in mind that 99.9% of that is used for keeping the creature alive.

Stop saying "might" as that is Argument from Ignorance
>we don't know therefore it's true
If you want to actually beat the brain, fucking prove that it's possible.

Till then, it's fucking hopeless for transhumanists

[Anonymous No.12343290]

>>12343268
Sounds like popsci masturbation.
Explain the mechanism or go to r*eddit

[Anonymous No.12343306]

>>12343290
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW7VUFgwqg8&ab_channel=UpandAtom

[Anonymous No.12343341]

>>12343306
>popsci garbage with no evidence
thought so

[Anonymous No.12343348]

>>12343306
>quantum biology
it's called chemistry lmao

[Anonymous No.12343353]

>>12343348
You don't know either, do you?

[Anonymous No.12343898]

>>12336617
>he doesn't even know about optical computing
NGMI

[Anonymous No.12343905]

>>12343898
it was already mentioned 6 times in this thread.
Not a single one gave any data proving that it is better than normal computers, let alone the brain itself

[Anonymous No.12343932]

Cybershit ain't happening widescale until we figure out how to speed up the healing process. It takes weeks to recover from a major surgery, and months to fully heal.

[Anonymous No.12344032]

>>12343905
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Optical-time-domain-analog-pattern-correlator-for-Kim-Goda/a32f6fd548f77c47c869d39a84c6a0015c48a562
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.88627
https://www.nature.com/articles/nphoton.2010.162

[Anonymous No.12344203]

>>12336436
neither
some form of ageing cure may be available for the world leaders, not important therefore

[Anonymous No.12344221]

>>12336487
>we
you jerking off to anime in your uncles ass isnt "we"

[Anonymous No.12344226]

>>12336902
you should read this shit post and feel like an idiot for finishing it

[Anonymous No.12345261]

>>12344032
Only the first one had good data
The second one is no access
The third only listed its advantages but straight up wrote:
>Digital optical computing will become competitive only if there is a major breakthrough in the functionality, energy consumption and footprint of nonlinear optical devices. In this context, Miller2 has given a circumspect view of the prospects for the invention of an optical transistor.

Anyway, your first pdf claims that it can be 1000x faster than conventional computers...at image recognition. They experimented on 10-bit barcodes using a new technique called serial time-encoded amplified imaging/microscopy (STEAM)

It's already written on wikipedia that it does have its advantages but creating hybrids are unlikely because it loses 30% of its data when processed in electric form. And a pure photon computing is even more unlikely.

[Anonymous No.12345466]

>>12343348
Biology, Chemistry, and Quantum physics are like Finland, Russia, and N.Korea what the fuck

[Anonymous No.12345607]

>>12336436
you'll be dead before you see either of these

[Anonymous No.12347178]

>>12336680
How long will it take though until computers will beat brains in energy consumtion, computing and space intake?

[Anonymous No.12348724]

>>12337151
>>actual bioengineering isn’t even real yet?

Try looking up the definitions of the words you are using. Hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.12348738]

>>12336436
>Pic related
God I wish that was me.

[Anonymous No.12349899]

>>12336436
No one is putting solid investments into either technology. If you were born in the 90s, You will probably die a natural death like those who came before you. despite how "progressive" and secular the world has become, almost no one with a heavy wallet is interested in immortality or longevity

[Anonymous No.12349990]

>>12336487

> the pig brains could have kept going indefinitely but they terminated them because of "muh ethics". the brains were kept in a coma during this time

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/millions-of-us-farm-animals-to-be-culled-by-suffocation-drowning-and-shooting-coronavirus

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In an unexpected twist to the pursuit of "designer" offspring, the couple, who are both deaf, said they had wanted a child that would be like themselves. The four-month old boy is profoundly deaf in his left ear and has only residual hearing in his right.

Sharon Duchesneau and Candy McCullough, both in their 30s, turned to a friend with five generations of deafness in his family after being turned away by a sperm bank which told them that donors with disabilities were screened out. \

Ms Duchesneau is no stranger to the debate on designer babies. She is a med ical ethics graduate from the University of Virginia and worked as an intern in the bioethics department at the National Institutes of Health.

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They also said they were part of a generation that viewed deafness not as a disability but as a cultural identity.
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"I think all of us recognise that deaf children can have perfectly wonderful lives," Alta Charo, a professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin said. "The question is whether the parents have violated the sacred duty of parenthood, which is to maximise to some reasonable degree the advantages available to their children. I'm loath to say it, but I think it's a shame to set limits on a child's potential."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/08/davidteather

[Anonymous No.12350210]

>>12349990
>They also said they were part of a generation that viewed deafness not as a disability but as a cultural identity.
I don`t get this sentiment. If your disability is a lifestlye, you have no right for society to accomodate you. Crippling your child is a crime in one hand or the other.

[Anonymous No.12350467]

>>12350210
Experts say women should be allowed to drink while pregnant.

[Anonymous No.12350665]

>>12336436
We are cyborgs to a certain degree already.

But, in an absolute sense, curing aging and disease will come first

[Anonymous No.12350786]

>>12350467
What in the absolute fuck is going on in that pic

[Anonymous No.12353776]

>>12350665
>We are cyborgs
No

[Anonymous No.12353786]

>>12350786
Spirit Cooking.

[Anonymous No.12354218]

>>12336482
Isn't teflon carcinogenic?

[Anonymous No.12354757]

>>12339024
>goosebumps
I just realized goosebumps is literally hair raising to make yourself look bigger to ward off predators, but because we're hairless apes we don't have anything to show for it.

[Anonymous No.12356690]

[Anonymous No.12356700]

>>12336444
You can’t clone your brain.

[Anonymous No.12356758]

>>12336707
>>12336858
>>12336886
>>12339439
retard

[Anonymous No.12356807]

>>12356700
You can. You just have to get rid of the appendages or your bioprint ability is good enough to connect braincells.

[Anonymous No.12357955]