I was a nuclear cuck until I saw this

[Anonymous No.12333729]

>The red squares represent the area that would be enough for solar power plants to produce a quantity of electricity consumed (as of 2005) by the world, the European Union (EU-25) and Germany (De). To replace all energy consumption (not just electricity), areas about 5 times as large would suffice. Data provided by the German Aerospace Centre (DLR), 2005.
inb4:
>but muh distance
HVDC - high voltage direct current. 3% loss per 1000 km, already in use in Europe, Canada, China, and Brazil; the latter two have several 2000 km long lines. From Benghazi to Berlin you would lose less than 15%.
>but muh power at night
With solar-thermal power plants, you can store thermal energy in heat tanks. Such a power plant recently achieved a 24-hour persistent production in Spain.
>but muh geopolitics
The Arabian countries become warmer each year and are net food importers. They are already VERY dependent on the west, for food, technology, and military.
>what about other places
China has the Taklamakan desert. Russia has the Central Asian deserts. US has Mexico and deserts of its own.
>but Thori-
It will never work. It is science fiction, while what I'm talking about is literally current technology. It's just that coal and petrol are too cheap at the moment. Nuclear isn't safe to use on most of the world. If advanced countries like Japan, US, and Russia can fuck up (and I don't care if it was laziness or politics) then imagine what a clusterfuck places like Africa, South America, India, Indonesia, and Turkey would be. We will be having an annual nuclear emergency.
Thanks for reading my blogpost.

[Anonymous No.12333738]

>>12333729
Whats the cost and what about the matrials need it?
Also you brushed of the geopolitics aspect really fast, giving those countries a monopoly on world power would be juge.

[Anonymous No.12333743]

>>12333729
>The necessary area to provide electricity for the world can be seen from space
>I am convinced this is a feasible project

[Anonymous No.12333753]

>>12333729

[Anonymous No.12333754]

>>12333738
>giving those countries a monopoly on world power would be juge
The Middle East region already has control over most oil and gas. Now you would just be spreading that control over more countries like North Africa, Kazakhstan, Mexico, etc.
>Whats the cost and what about the matrials need it? >>12333743
This won't be made in a decade. Not even in a century. This will take ages in a slow shift from fossil fuels to solar energy. Nuclear power plants all over the world would be costly as well, and in my opinion downright impossible.

[Anonymous No.12333760]

>>12333729
>It will never work.
Debunked, sweetie. Thoriumites BTFO.

[Anonymous No.12333767]

>>12333729
Would windstorms threaten the infrastructure? Putting solar panels on that much land area would reduce heating of that area significantly, producing a consistent low pressure zone.
Also this would require folding Algeria or Libya into either the EU or the neo-French Empire (nobody else could make a functioning med empire in the modern day). Given the current issues with integrating North African populations in the EU and specifically France, how would you get domestic support in either the EU or just France for this plan?

[Anonymous No.12333772]

>>12333767
Germany will pay for it.

[Anonymous No.12333801]

>>12333767
>windstorms
Israel develops dust proof technology. And dust storms aren't that common, the Sahara isn't all sand dunes.
>solar panels on that much land area would reduce heating of that area
Solar has a practical limit of 30% to 40% of converting light to power. The rest turns into heat. Covering that much land area with spaces between them and only "stealing" 35% of the light will be nothing. On the contrary, this will increase the heating because sand reflects a lot of the light back to space, while solar panels (thermal solar, or PV) converts most of the light into heat eventually.
>Also this would require folding Algeria or Libya into either the EU or the neo-French Empire
Norway isn't in the EU and they already have an HVDC line to Germany. While Algeria is nothing near Norway in terms of stability, a deal could definitely be made with them. They will be the new Saudi Arabia with EU as their sugardaddy instead of the US.

[Anonymous No.12333828]

>>12333729

Energy needs to be produced somewhat locally unless you have some advanced way of "transporting" it.

Having small, livable communities that are easy to power up and smaller, even mobile hubs would be way more efficient. I suppose you could even have some platforms on the ocean generating both solar and water rather than having a central "hub" somewhere in the middle east.

[Anonymous No.12333843]

>>12333729
This is what delusion looks like.

[Anonymous No.12333849]

>>12333828
Too bad a tiny (in area) country like Germany has over 80 million people in it and a huge industrial infrastructure that chugs energy. Germany always depended on imports for energy. They don't have enough sunshine for solar, nor enough rivers for hydro, nor enough space for wind. I have seen some German politicians shilling for a project that will have hydrogen shipped to them from an Arab country, where it will be produced by electrolysis with solar energy. It is ridiculous as you would lose over 90% of the energy and you would clog the already crowded German ports.
If you think about it, instead of transporting heavy protons from one place to another (transporting fuel), you could just shoot electrons through a wire instead (electricity).
>>12333843
Like it or not, it is literally already happening, just not in the North Africa - Europe corridor (yet).

[Anonymous No.12333863]

>>12333729
Now do the area destroyed for mining all the materials and doing the maintenance please. Also the night problem is not the only one. There is also the cloudy weather during an entire week problem, as well as the fucking winter problem.

[Anonymous No.12333875]

>>12333729
>lmao just build a never-before seen gigastructure on a scale visible from space, upheaving mountainsworths of rare materials
>just plop this delicate megastructure in the middle of a 0 infrastructure, politically unstable shithole region and ensure constant 100% safety and maintenance to keep it at optimum productivity
>all because oil shills told me NUCLEAR BAD

[Anonymous No.12333903]

>>12333754
>The Middle East region already has control over most oil and gas.
Incorrect. They have a lot, but its far from a monopoly. You have latina america, USA, Russia, etc

[Anonymous No.12334347]

>>12333729

Ooooor you could just build Gen III+ and eventually Gen IV reactors with a closed fuel cycle, for a small fraction of the time and economic cost and required materials, and with several times the lifespan, of these meme panels you propose covering the whole Earth with.

[Anonymous No.12334376]

>>12333729
This thread is already up multiple times. Learn to use the catalog.

[Anonymous No.12334633]

>>12333729
better solution: build a few nuclear plants in remote desert areas where no one lives. cheaper, less space, and more efficient.

[Anonymous No.12334635]

>>12333729
Wow if you build a solar panel network as a big as a country to you can power the world. Anon you do know this literally means nothing. I’m sure the square would be smaller if you build shit tons of reactors.

[Anonymous No.12334650]

>wallet.exe is broken

[Anonymous No.12334680]

>>12333729
>Look people! Here's some debunked solar things! It converted me from a rational and sane nuclear believer into a solar shill!
>It was just this one thing that converted me but here's four other hightly important solar things!
Ironically your post glows more than anything nuclear ever did.

[Anonymous No.12334683]

>>12334650
>pump trillions of debt
>save the world
>go bankrupt
i don't see the problem here, it's all funnymoney anyways

[Anonymous No.12334688]

>>12334683
tell that to your (((overlords)))

[Anonymous No.12334697]

>>12333729
Algerian cuck here, I would support such a project as our economy is at the pits, but I don't like the idea of becoming Middle East 2.0 and basically becoming all of europe's puppet, we're already having troubles with corrupt politicians in a deep state working for france's favor

[Anonymous No.12334702]

>>12334697
>lmao bro I don't want a corrupt government
you're asking for a lot, sorry pal but you'll achieve nothing.
gaining power is all about taking cock.

[Anonymous No.12334705]

>>12333729
>I will just spout bullshit.
Fuck nugget. The post.

[Anonymous No.12334724]

>>12334702
government's already plenty corrupt, we can't take more dicks since france's seeds are already flourishing

[Anonymous No.12334748]

>>12334697
À chaque fois faut cracher sur la France et les Français pas vrai ?! C'est bon ! La guerre d'Algérie est fini depuis 1962 ! On est en 2020 ! Il y a 30 ans la Chine était 3 fois plus pauvre que le Maroc et aujourd'hui c'est une puissance mondiale ! Avoue juste que c'est à cause de votre politique que vous en être là !

[Anonymous No.12334758]

>>12334724
Just stop harp on about French colonization ! Algeria never make mistakes ! It's always the fault of France if people listen you !

We are in 2020 ! The Algeria War has ended in 1962 !

[Anonymous No.12334760]

>>12333729
I was cucked by mainstream science and environmentalists until i realized 90% of theme lie to me. Photo voltaic is bullshit, but maybe you can fatt up the energy with some well focused mirrors.

[Anonymous No.12334763]

>>12334760
How did you realize that things ?

[Anonymous No.12334765]

>>12334748
don't get me wrong, I like the french as much as the next guy, it's just that our politicians are french loving cunts who openly praise le macron and try to win favors with the french government, and they won't tarnish the state that is our economy relying on france

and well I have to say the french that I hate are the elitist faggots high up the hierarchy

[Anonymous No.12334770]

>>12334758
here >>12334765

[Anonymous No.12334781]

>>12334697
Nchalah fransa dji tsta3mrna encore une fois, twelli la CAF à domicile au lieu na7argo fel boti.

[Anonymous No.12334784]

>>12334763
Cause i really loved physics, but things didnt add up. And the excuse always was. "its cause the math is to complex for me to understand."
As well as the implication of Einstein or plank or Schrodinger are outright mad, but never give an explanation, why it is that mad.
As i realized that i started to research more and not so common or so mainstream ideas.

Since then i do the math on everything i am interested in my self.

[Anonymous No.12334788]

>>12334781
hahaha fuck you I hope you choke on tlitli you sandnigger

[Anonymous No.12334791]

>>12334765
To be French is an injured in Algeria ! I agree with you that the Algerian Elites forced Algerian people to speak Arabic but they used to speak French to each other!

Hovewer...

In my country, each time there is a football match where Algeria teams play. There are burnt cars !

Algerian people hates French !

[Anonymous No.12334803]

>>12334791
fresh wounds mate, the colonization lasted for a whole 132 years, it resulted in a in-born hatred for the french. Though nowadays there are more people who accept the french than not

[Anonymous No.12334814]

"French are racists and blablabla "

the 2-nd even sometimes the third-generation Algerian immigrants do not consider themself like French. But, you have schools, hospitals, la CAF (welfare) and a lot of them says "France is trash", "French people are racists"

I hate that behaviour !

[Anonymous No.12334824]

>>12333729
Imagine making life on earth dependent on sand and hail storms.

[Anonymous No.12334830]

>>12334803
Algeria haven't exist before 1962. Even the Algerian flag was invented in Paris in the PCF party (communist party)

The fact is there was a War that has ended in 1962 and nowadays it's finish since a while !

[Anonymous No.12334851]

>>12334830
listen here Jean Pierre, if you're expecting a bunch of knuckleheaded sandnigger berbers to forgive and forget about what france did to this land and its people then you're a retard

[Anonymous No.12334863]

Last time I heard an Algerian person who said "This is the French fault if the average Algerian does not give a fuck of his neighbour"

This always the French fault for everything ! But now, there is China which is a superpower and there is Algeria !

Both were colonized by west countries during the past ! Now it's finished !

[Anonymous No.12334890]

>>12334851
What we did ?
Nowaday according to the "secours catholique" which is a Voluntary association against poverty claimed that 1/5 French lived under the poverty threshold but immigrants have welfare first !

What I hate it's to hear "France is trash", "French are racists", "They don't want to change their republican values for Islam", etc...

[Anonymous No.12334945]

We should now post empty skyscrapers, new ghost towns, and shiploads of milk spilled away in the ocean and laugh at french people who live under the poverty threshold.

[Anonymous No.12335065]

>>12333729
Nope, not by a long shot. Even if we covered the entire planet in the most efficient solar panels we've got (and I mean the entire planet, sea, mountains, desert, poles) And if we make the very generous assumption that the panels function perfectly and get 18 hours of 100% sun every day of the year, we still would have only a tiny fraction (orders of magnitude, like, way less than a billionth).

[Anonymous No.12335095]

>>12333729
So what you're saying is, is that I should invest in desert real estate immediately?

[Anonymous No.12335100]

>>12333753
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12335101]

>>12333849
That's a long goddamn wire.

[Anonymous No.12335107]

>With solar-thermal power plants, you can store thermal energy in heat tanks.

Those are much more expensive per unit of energy than solar panels.

[Anonymous No.12335111]

>>12334863
It's all so tiresome

[Anonymous No.12335113]

>>12334724
Anon, it's about the quality of dick.
you're taking dirty dick for basically nothing.
you're an anal whore.
refined men enjoy a tight ass with minimal to no wear.
>>12334758
cries of an angry dick taker

[Anonymous No.12335135]

>>12333729
Have fun gouging the earth for rare earth minerals and having no power at night
>muh batteries
impossible

[Anonymous No.12335136]

>>12333729
that's an absolutely insane size, anon. For scale that's about half the size of England densely packed with stupidly expensive solar panels.
Nuclear is the ONLY way to go for a clean future.

[Anonymous No.12335142]

Yeah but new type 3 reactors are safe and don't go boom and leak radiation everywhere

[Anonymous No.12335148]

>just cover an area the size of Greece entirely with solar panels

[Anonymous No.12335149]

>>12335136
>>12334635
>>12333863
>>12333738
>>12333743
Regardless of all this, it's total garbage - we would literally need to cover the entire planet in solar panels that are way more efficient than what we have now to even come close. Whoever did OPs calculations made some errors by many orders of magnitude.

[Anonymous No.12335154]

>>12333729
>Thinking covering an area that is the same as half of Portugal in a region poor of infrastructure, manpower and basic resources with expensive technology that requires frequent replacement, specialized and numerous staff and maintance in a desolated desert in a geopolitical hellhole is a good idea.

Not even talking about production costs and that you would need a city with dozens of millions of specialized people nearby to take care of it all. Even if you make the same shit spread everywhere it is still an enormous area to cover with just solar panel, bigger than several COUNTRIES.

If it's a good idea, there is a reason we didn't do it yet.
>but muh fossil rich businessman!1!1!
If solar were that good it would generate much more millionares than fossil fuel does.

[Anonymous No.12335174]

>>12335154
This is assuming that the calculations are even correct, which they're not.. by many orders of magnitude.

[Anonymous No.12335189]

>>12335113
No, all of this isn't cries ! It's enough ! And I am not alone to thing this ! I hope one day a strong leader will lead France to the zenith !

Our president apologize to Pakistan, Turkey, North Africa ect,.. But We don't have to apologize !

I am French ! I am proud of it ! I'm fed up of it !

[Anonymous No.12335193]

>>12333729
OP where did you get your figures? Can we see the calculations please.

[Anonymous No.12335194]

I am fed up of these french haters people ! One day our homeland will raise its head !

[Anonymous No.12335197]

They hate France but one day, My french country will raise its head !

[Anonymous No.12335198]

>>12335189
If it makes you feel any better, your pate, cheese, pastries, bread, wine and brandy are all excellent. Your women are beautiful and they have excellent accents.

[Anonymous No.12335201]

>>12333729
Nuclear is the safest and cleanest source of energy in the world and should be used everywhere

[Anonymous No.12335203]

VIVA LA FRANCH!

[Anonymous No.12335206]

>>12335198
to add onto your sentence, women are beautiful and BUILT FOR Big African Cock

[Anonymous No.12335207]

>>1233520
>nuclear
The patrician's choice.

[Anonymous No.12335209]

>>12335206
Hey mister, take your psyops elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.12335211]

>>12333729
>making yourself even more dependent on sandniggers

[Anonymous No.12335213]

>>12333729
>The red squares represent the area that would be enough for solar power plants to produce a quantity of electricity consumed (as of 2005) by the world, the European Union (EU-25) and Germany (De)
>the world, the European Union (EU-25) and Germany (De)
First off, this is odd phrasing, each of these are nested within each other
Secondly, I would like to see a source on this.
>heat tanks
Wow, a giant thermos, very viable.

[Anonymous No.12335225]

>>12333729
but what about the endangered desert tortoise?

also, are you thinking thermal panels or photovalic cells? thermal panels are kind of a waste.

[Anonymous No.12335229]

>>12335211
When my microstate conquers California/AZ/NV/NM I will just run a cable to Europe so they don't have to do that.

[Anonymous No.12335233]

>>12335213
>source
This. I've been to a lecture on this (2013, but still.. at my old uni ~*! world top 20 *!~ ). Prof said we'd need vastly more efficient solar panels, and would need to cover most of the earth's surface.

It is viable though, because technology will improve and we will find ways to reduce our energy consumption. I just don't believe anything of what OP says.

There must be engineers here who can give more information, though, surely.

[Anonymous No.12335236]

>>12335174
>>12335149
>>12335065
I get the anti-solar passion which I also kinda share but that's just a lie.
Assuming 157.5 thousand TWh of yearly energy usage (which is admittedly not a great estimation but there's not that much to go by), 263 W/m^2 average yearly irradiance of Sahara, and 20% conversion efficiency we are looking at 341,815 km^2 of solar panels. That's about the size of Germany. Which is several orders of magnitude smaller than the surface of the Earth.

[Anonymous No.12335243]

>>12335236
Just to be clear, I do believe it's still unfeasibly large but it's not that unbelievable. After all, Earth receives A LOT of energy from the sun. An absolute ton of energy through solar irradiance.

[Anonymous No.12335252]

>>12333729
>>but muh distance
Can you imagine if Tesla actually succeeded in wireless transmission of power on a global scale? JP Morgan didn't want to pay for this shit cause he couldn't meter it, but do you think some other crazy rich guy could? Maybe Elon Musk? If he didn't, he'd be a hypocrite.

>>but muh power at night
Just have wireless transmission solar stations on opposite side of the globe. The sun is always shining on at least 1 side. An eclipse could fuck the world over tho, but those are easy to predict.

[Anonymous No.12335269]

>>12335252
Global wireless transmission is an absolutely shit way of transmitting electrical power. Tesla wasn't an idiot. The wireless tower was basically a glorified antenna for wireless communication. Not for delivering power.

[Anonymous No.12337027]

>>12333729
Put the entire world's power supply in a country with less-than strict firearm and explosive laws.

I am Tracer Tong and I approve this message

[Anonymous No.12337037]

>>12337027
Disregarding that, the majority of countries on Earth won't agree to have to depend on a single nation for their energy needs

[Anonymous No.12337631]

>>12334851
why not get rid of the berbers then? would anyone really stay in algeria if we handed them German citizenship?

[Anonymous No.12337706]

>>12333729
Anyone asked algerians what they think about it?

[Anonymous No.12337712]

>>12333729
>geopolitics
It's not about us being dependent on the rabs, it's about concentrating the world's energy to this place.

It would be a constant warzone, it's not stable. Everything human-made has to be scattered across the world or it will not hold for long.

[Anonymous No.12337742]

>>12333729
>TFW he forgot how much off an asspain it will be to recycle all these panels

[Anonymous No.12338257]

>>12333743
China has planted forests the size of Ireland.

This area looks slightly smaller than Ireland.

[Anonymous No.12339052]

>>12335100
when solar and wind fails to produce enough electricity when there's an abnormal amount of clouds or no wind, coal powerplants and whatnot must go on to sustain the remainder of the demand. And it's dirty, because they don't run it at 100% where the efficiency is, environmental nor output wise

[Anonymous No.12339112]

>>12333729
Now draw on the map how much space you would need to power the planet on nuclear.

Retard.

[Anonymous No.12339280]

Don't know why everyone is so terrified of nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.12339284]

>>12338257
>self-sustaining organisms are the same as man-made and -maintained infrastructure
did you think before making this post?

[Anonymous No.12339427]

>>12339284
yeah I did wigger

if China can plant a forest Ireland

then a multinational cooperation project can plant a solar panel Ireland

[Anonymous No.12339440]

>>12339427
>dropping seeds on empty land
versus
>actively maintaining complex electronics that don't self-regulate and are prone to the weathering of the environment
yeah I'm thinking you didn't think this comparison through

[Anonymous No.12339445]

>>12333729
>Has to be cleaned of birdshit every day
Have fun with that.

[Anonymous No.12339448]

>>12334347
>Ooooor you could just build Gen III+ and eventually Gen IV reactors with a closed fuel cycle, for a small fraction of the time and economic cost and required materials, and with several times the lifespan, of these meme panels you propose covering the whole Earth with.
Oh just build a thing that doesn't exist yet. It's so easy and cheap.

[Anonymous No.12339736]

>>12339440
brainlet

[Anonymous No.12339738]

>>12339736
so you admit you're wrong, thanks for conceding

[Anonymous No.12339744]

>>12333729
The real answer is we don't need either. We need to tax consoomers so energy is distributed in a more efficient way.

[Anonymous No.12339775]

>>12338257
Dumb post but lol

[Anonymous No.12339883]

>>12333729
You're a fucking idiot OP.

You do realize most solar panels only last for like 15 fucking years right?

Not to mention that you're not going to get all these countries to actually work together for a dumbass project like this. Go back to watching Star-Trek.

[Anonymous No.12340777]

>>12333753
wut?

[Anonymous No.12340795]

>>12333729
popsci thrread

[Anonymous No.12340881]

>>12339883
>Not to mention that you're not going to get all these countries to actually work together

[Anonymous No.12340922]

>>12340881
>comparing a experimental research project to huge solar power plant

[Anonymous No.12340934]

>>12335201
>Are you sure that will help with taking care of everyone's energetic needs?

[Anonymous No.12341569]

>>12340922
>comparing the next generation of energy and the killer of the fossil fuel industry to a bigass waste of time and space

[Anonymous No.12341680]

>>12333767
>(nobody else could make a functioning med empire in the modern day).
Just let chinese do it chinese way

[Anonymous No.12341961]

>>12335236
You also have to include conversion and distribution efficiency. There's no way you're getting that energy all around the world without huge losses. HVDC meme or not. Then you have storage and smoothing. If you want to power a 100W load continuously then you need 200W of solar panels plus 1200Wh of battery. Roughly. Truly you need to oversize everything by 5-10% as well because dimmer days happen even in the desert. Finally, you have to contend with the fact that demand is not even, not even when averaged across the whole planet. Peak demand days will be higher than average. I don't know by how much, but this must be factored into both supply and storage. Oh, and don't think your packing density will be 100%. You need conduit, maintenance pathways, etc which will make packing more like 90%. Remember this is a structure on the scale of fucking Germany. You're going to need to build and maintain a full scale highway system for it.
Finally, what happens when some shithole country gets pissy and starts launching shrapnel rockets at your global power source? Whoops, you need to surround this thing with defense bases, radar, shit like that. All this is in the desert so you'll need strong supply lines for the hundreds of thousands it will take to maintain and defend this thing. Hold on, this sounds like a god damned country itself. And forget Germany, this shit will be half the size of Europe and cost over 100 trillion dollars by the end of it.

It's fucking impractical.

[Anonymous No.12342243]

>>12341961
>Implying anyone is advocating a single centralized location for solar power and not just making a visual point
Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.12342285]

>>12333729
I hate solarfags so fucking much. Id rather burn coal for next thousand years than have to explain again why solar panels are so shit

[Anonymous No.12343603]

>>12342243
If you want the minimum land area (something half the size of Europe), you have to put it at the location on Earth with the highest yearly solar insolation.

[Anonymous No.12343676]

>>12333729
>gate kept energy
Vs
>free energy
Hmmmm

[Anonymous No.12343679]

>>12343603
>If you want the minimum land area
Pointless and irrelevant. The area of land required is already quite small and does not need to be minimized. I find it fascinating that you've missed the point so spectacularly.

[Anonymous No.12343802]

>>12343679
>A megastructure as big as a few European countries is quite small and does not need to be minimized because we can spread it out even less efficiently over the whole planet.
You midwit faggots are why humanity is fucked.

[Anonymous No.12343852]

>>12333729
>quantity of electricity consumed (as of 2005)
>in 2005
>2005
Man I hope I was never this retarded.

[Anonymous No.12343885]

Brazil has been using mostly solar for decades. And it is not that garbage solar that needs that shit photovoltaic effect and semiconductors. It is the best solar solution available : hydroelectric plants.

[Anonymous No.12343919]

>>12334803
your country is shit because your people are shit
truth is sometimes pretty obvious

[Anonymous No.12343922]

>>12334851
what they did?
built infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc all working rather well
such a horrible thing right?
What have you done since then? Nothing.

[Anonymous No.12343931]

>>12343922
*that all used to work rather well

Be it south africa or algeria, when the white man is gone, those countries just become shithole countries that can't follow the modern industrial world, it requires an average iq that their population simply does not have

[Anonymous No.12343945]

Retards we just need ALL of this shit

Nuclear solar geothermal biofuel gas fusion wind

AND

Carbon capture

Look up OLIVINE and Project VESTA

AND preserve biodiversity and forests AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE>assassinate Bolsonaro and others who are complacent in the wilful distruction of EARTH

Heads need to start ROLLING

[Anonymous No.12344047]

>>12334633
Nuclear needs rivers for cooling.

[Anonymous No.12344053]

>>12343945
well this looks familiar

[Anonymous No.12344278]

Fucking midwits trying to save the world. The funnest part is that they state all these random factoids they googled like no one in the PV industry has ever thought of this.

[Anonymous No.12344290]

>>12344047
Not actually true. That is usually just a cheap way to make energy extraction more efficient.
Putting plants in the desert is stupid for other reasons though. Like the logistics of having people work there, bringing in equipment, getting power back to civilization, and just building the damn thing.
Nuclear isn't so dangerous that putting it in the desert is necessary anyway. 20 miles outside of a metropolitan area is fine.

[Anonymous No.12344295]

>>12333729
try a few sandstorms

[Anonymous No.12344335]

>>12344047
There are no rivers next to the nuclear power plants in my country.

Seawater works just fine too you know...

[Anonymous No.12344357]

>>12333729
What happens at night time?

[Anonymous No.12344499]

>>12333729

investors and politicians in these nations got it, they already cover parts of these deserts with solar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benban_Solar_Park

[Anonymous No.12344504]

>>12344357
>What happens at night time?
OP already gave an answer
>>12333729
>>but muh power at night
>With solar-thermal power plants, you can store thermal energy in heat tanks. Such a power plant recently achieved a 24-hour persistent production in Spain.

[Anonymous No.12344532]

>>12344504

>>With solar-thermal power plants, you can store thermal energy in heat tanks. Such a power plant recently achieved a 24-hour persistent production in Spain.

That is a Motte-and-bailey fallacy. Solar thermal is much more expensive than solar panels.

[Anonymous No.12344735]

https://youtu.be/sfaFgZ0z3aA

If guarded well sure

[Anonymous No.12344804]

>>12335100
>>12339052
Power company wanted to shut down their coal plant here.
German government denied the permission for a shut down.

Germany has some of the dumbest politicans in the word wanting to decrease co2 emissions while shutting Nuclear down and you have to pay taxes if you have solar.
Really if you have grid tied solar you need to pay energy tax for every kwh you produce and consume of your own power.

[Anonymous No.12345059]

>>12343802
>Less than 1% of the Earth is a big area for 7 billion people
How retarded are you?

[Anonymous No.12345297]

People don't even realize how easy it would be to drastically cut down our energy needs. Stop staying up all night. Use arm devices over 500w desktops. Walk to work or bike or work remotely. Hunt or eat veggies instead of farming a trillion animals and double the crops to feed them. It wouldn't be that hard of a change people are just unwilling to make any sort of minor collateral changes to make the bigger change easy and we're just an extremely unoptimised society. We've even optimized the unoptimisation. You can buy hundreds of useless objects all at the same store in an hour. But if you actually wanted to live more efficiently that's just not doable. I should be able to live in a tube for example. My apartment is like 50 times bigger than I need it to be. I'd much rather have like open fields and woods and idk skateparks and fukn gardens than rolling hills of suburban houses

[Anonymous No.12345324]

>>12345297
>I'd much rather have like open fields and woods and idk skateparks and fukn gardens than rolling hills of suburban houses
This sounds very nice desu

[Anonymous No.12345326]

>>12333753
lold hard

[Anonymous No.12345343]

>>12335252
>Can you imagine if Tesla actually succeeded in wireless transmission of power on a global scale?
He couldn't... ironically if he hadn't dismissed all of the modern physics developing around the time as 'theorists faffing about with funny math' he would have understood why he couldn't.

[Anonymous No.12345360]

>>12333729
very inefficient. i would build a thousand magnetic rails that go around the globe and on those rails you would have trains travelling at light speed. i would build it like a big dynamo. we would get free energy like that but big oil and big solar blocks this technology we already have.

[Anonymous No.12346081]

>>12345059
It's not less than 1%

[Anonymous No.12346090]

>>12345297
Most humans will never use less. Most humans will not stop breeding. Most humans need to be forced into behaving correctly.
But most leaders, when given the power to do the right thing, behave selfishly. Humans cannot effectively manage themselves. We are fucking doomed.

[Anonymous No.12346409]

>>12346081
It is. See the picture in the OP? Can you refute it? Moreover you can estimate the proportion of the Earth required just from the solar insolation. The Earth receives more energy in an hour than is used in all forms, so that's more than 8000 times the available power over 100% of the Earth. Solar panels are about 20% efficient which reduces that to 1600 times the power we use. The reciprocal of that figure gives you the percentage of the Earth required to collect as much energy as we use. It's 0.0625%.

[Anonymous No.12346479]

>>12346409
The math is wrong per >>12335236
Increase that square by about 10x to get the real area. Is that much smaller than the surface of the earth? Yes. Is it a practical amount of shit for us to make in the next century? Fucking no. The back of the envelope crap does not work when the output is at a 50% duty cycle at best either. You're going to need lots of battery, which right now is even harder than making all those panels.
Solar and wind can do a combined 20% of our electric needs now, and eventually probably 50% of our total energy needs since synthesizing hydrocarbons can happen at a 50% duty cycle because keeping a storage buffer is trivial.. Anywhere near 100% isn't happening any time soon. Get the fuck over it.

[Anonymous No.12346618]

>>12333729
I'm sure the blacks would find a way to steal and sell the precious metals

[Anonymous No.12346655]

>>12346479
Germany is 0.07% of the area of the Earth. Great job failing basic math.

[Anonymous No.12346750]

>>12346655
I was arguing against the OP pic because that's what you cited. Your estimate was still low even being really generous.
Also you're not building on the ocean or in Antarctica and you're not building the legendary distribution to get power out of the desert so cut it out with your flat division shit. Even the ideal of building something the land area of Germany is fucking absurd on its face. Don't pretend it's happening next year, or the year after, or in 2030, 2040. It isn't. It's not happening.

[Anonymous No.12346788]

>>12346750
The data you cited is in this post
>>12335236
Germany is 0.07% of the Earth. You said multiply by 10. That's 0.7% of the Earth. 0.7% is less than 1%. You're bad at highschool math.

[Anonymous No.12346789]

>>12335149
>Whoever did OPs calculations made some errors
What are your calculations?

[Anonymous No.12346883]

>>12346750
>legendary distribution to get power out of the desert
You don't need to move it anywhere. Just build it where you use it.

[Anonymous No.12347161]

>>12345297
I'm pretty sure the elites try to get people to be heavy consumers in order to make them more dependent. Send out a bunch of propaganda promoting the latest PS5 or whatever, then everybody "needs" it so they buy it, and then the resultant lack of money means that they have to wageslave to whatever the elites want them to.

[Anonymous No.12349262]

>>12345297
America is missing its middle housing so they get huge sprawls of suburbs, and because distances are so far they need a car for everything.

Here in south Germany we have many small towns often within sight with fields in between, but every year they make a new development and build Tiny houses on small plots at the edges of the city most Land is wasted for the streets and utility.
and at some point the city's will all be connected together.

But because of increasing land prices they begin to tear down the houses from the 50s build on huge plots so people could keep a pig or chickens and build large 6 families houses and people complain about that.

I like to look at our historic town centre build between 1200 and 1800 houses are tightly packed together sometimes the upper stories are larger than the plot the houses were build on, often only 20" between 2 houses in the lower stories where is a store on every building, maximum space efficient everything can be done by foot. but the old hardware store with its 3000 drawers full of screws closes and food and other stores are long closed, we only have clothing barbers restaurants.

chaptcha was a Boomer on a Bike

[Anonymous No.12349272]

>>12349262
forgot

[Anonymous No.12349325]

>>12333729
I don't think you understand how fucking huge that square is.

[Anonymous No.12349476]

>>12346788
You're the one who was making a big deal about "less than 1%", not me. I don't give a fuck about that number because it's totally useless. The useful measure is how much land area is needed and how practical deployment is on that scale.

>>12346883
If you build it where it's needed, you get less than a quarter of the insolation. If not for the logistical nightmare of it, we would be better off material wise just putting them in the desert and running an absolutely enormous HVDC line back to civilization

[Anonymous No.12350338]

>>12349476
>I don't give a fuck about that number because it's totally useless.
>The useful measure is how much land area is needed and how practical deployment is on that scale.
It's less than 1%. Technically 0% since it's so easy to multipurpose land for solar. You don't need a single centralized location with transcontinental power lines because it doesn't take up any space. Double the area, triple it, multiply it by 20. It's still nothing.

[Anonymous No.12350355]

>>12349476
>If you build it where it's needed, you get less than a quarter of the insolation
Oh, no. Four times 0.7% is 2.8%. Dear lord, however will we put solar panels above less land than we live on. BTW you don't need 40 times the energy, I'm humoring you because less than 3% of the Earth is still nothing.

[Anonymous No.12350447]

imagine finna bombing that square

[Anonymous No.12350461]

>>12350447

Yeah they'd have to start all over again lmao, one nuke cutting all of Europe's power

[Anonymous No.12351042]

>>12335252
>An eclipse could fuck the world over tho

They happen max 5 times a year, each for a max of 7 minutes. An eclipse would cause energy production loss no more than rounding error.

[Anonymous No.12351150]

>>12333729
Do you even realize the size of those squares?
Plus most of the energy is lost transporting it
And finally you can't store it.
Solar panels still cost more energy to build than they yield during their lifetime.
So what are you on?

[Anonymous No.12351156]

>>12333729
Solar pyramids when?

[Anonymous No.12351307]

>>12333729
I don't think the west wants the give some shithole in Africa more power over europe/the whole world. Also terrorist could attack the site and shut down everything also Arab Spring made it less likely that you will ever get peace there or some form of stability. Maintenance would also be a bitch.

[Anonymous No.12351311]

>>12350338
>>12350355
The problem is not "oh no, less land", the problem is that building these panels would be the largest megaproject mankind has ever built and it would require wide international support at a time when global trade could potentially break down at any moment.
You are supposed to look at 0.7% of the Earth's area and marvel. That is truly a massive amount of land. The Earth is huge.

[Anonymous No.12351401]

>>12333754
>The Middle East region already has control over most oil and gas
I don't think so if you look at the data
>oil
US produces the most. Afterwards the Arabs then Russia. If the US finally got rid of their obsession of controlling the world Venezuela and Iran would easily overtake the Arabs. I guess fracking is still included in the US numbers and that is going to hell atm but they are produce and consume the most.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
>gas
Again US leads, then Russia and Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_production

Anyway it would never be build since the Arabs would lose their power and as can be seen with Syria they are willing to start over yet another pipeline and the USA is willing to joining them. Also a world solar plant should be independent from the country it is build in.

[Anonymous No.12351402]

>>12333729
>It will never work
Your argument was fine until this, we know for a fact thorium reactors work.
Solar panels are great and all and could be a great supplement to nuclear but unless you invent a way to transport energy efficiently across continents to places that don't have the same levels of sunlight access you will have frequent energy shortages.

[Anonymous No.12351403]

>>12349272
live/work or multiplex with a detached 2nd home in the countryside is peak living

[Anonymous No.12351627]

>>12349272
That bungalow court looks mad comfy. I bet most millennials would be totally happy with it.
I'll keel my detached home on 5 acres myself though. Heat pump HVAC plus an electric grid that's 40% nuclear, 20% hydro, and 15% other renewable makes me feel perfectly fine about using an average of 28kWh per day.
That one nuke plant has been keeping my carbon footprint low since I was just an embryo, and hopefully it will carry on for another 20 years. Thank you, Seabrook. If only the short sighted greenie faggots didn't stop your second reactor from being built.

[Anonymous No.12351796]

>>12333754
>>giving those countries a monopoly on world power would be juge
>The Middle East region already has control over most oil and gas. Now you would just be spreading that control over more countries like North Africa, Kazakhstan, Mexico, etc.

Global warming was created by the US government to divert oil demand to alternatives, to eliminate the oil riches outside of the US. Giving these countries power over solar demand wouldn't fit the anti-oil narrative.

[Anonymous No.12351813]

>>12333729
>The absolute state of solar shills
I hope ITER pays off, because if it doesn't we're gonna be burning fossil fuels until it's too late.

[Anonymous No.12354529]

>>12333729
>>12345666

[Anonymous No.12354591]

>>12333729
even assuming this is not a meme everyone remembers how petrol producer nations nationalized everything and told the foreigners who owned that shit to fuck off, I really don't want Algeria to have that power of us

[Anonymous No.12355399]

>>12351311
>largest megaproject mankind has ever built
Lol no. We live on significantly more than 1% of the Earth and the buildings we live in require much more energy, labor, engineering, maintenance, and more expensive materials. It would be trivial to require new buildings to be built with solar panels or another renewable power source and it would be trivial to refit existing homes in the same way.

[Anonymous No.12355522]

Use energy sources in the context where they make the most sense. Not just environment, but use case. Nuclear is both extremely land effecient and usable anywhere relatively near a large body of water. Wind and Solar are optimal in only some conditions, and you can just run giant cables from those optimal spots to everywhere else, nor have we figured out a safe way to have mass orbit to ground microwave transmission yet. Hydro and Geothermal need specific local conditions which are far more finite than nuclear, solar, or wind and hydro is devastating to local ecosystems. The primary advantage fossil fuels have over any of these power sources is portability, they aren't safer, cleaner, or easier, but they sure as hell are easy to transport. I've heard people say hydrogen fuel cells are the answer to making nuclear/wind/solar portable, but we'll see. For a baseline source of power, nuclear is the most consistent and effecient, even hypothetical orbital solar to microwave arrays will be vulnerable to threats that ground based reactors are safe from.

[Anonymous No.12356033]

>>12355399
Solar panels are a lot less expensive than a detached home of the same square footage, but a detached home needs much more than its footprint worth of panels plus 12 hours of battery minimum. The battery is twice the cost of the panels.
The fact is, we're 10 years into cheap panels and the solar revolution is still stalling, but 30 years ago a single nuclear reactor started providing 40% of my electricity and it will continue to do so for decades more. Keep coping while the gas keeps pumping. This problem would have been solved around the turn of the century if you JustWait(TM) faggots hadn't been so obstinate.

[Anonymous No.12356121]

>>12333729
>>12333729
>South America
In Argentina we have several nuclear power plants operating since the 1970s and there haven't been any incidents so I don't know what the hell is this prejudice coming from?

Regardless most of the large South American countries use hydroelectric as the main power source since it's so abundant, clean and relatively cheap, mainteinance-wise.

Also, your issues with nuclear power will become meaningless when compact fusion reactors become the norm, we are not as far away as some people think, it will be the great revolution of our times if the world doesn't collapse before that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYClniDFkM

[Anonymous No.12356498]

>>12333729
Put this shit into orbit instead of wasting space on Earth

[Anonymous No.12356502]

What was
>>12345678

[Anonymous No.12356685]

>>12356033
They don't need to be "detached", dipshit, and panels aren't limited to rooftops. Parking lots, multipurpose land, and utility owed fields easily make up the difference. Batteries are a non-issue because they're already cheaper than the hidden costs of fossil fuels, will get cheaper over time, and are completely unnecessary with utility scale energy storage projects.

>solar revolution is still stalling
Did you mean "the fastest growing energy industry"? Nuclear is not only stalling, it's declining. Hard to dominate the game when you're losing.

[Anonymous No.12357571]

>>12356685
Oh sorry, I didn't realize it was booming. You know, what with all the gas plants being built instead of solar.

[Anonymous No.12358102]

>>12333729
The fact that you can pave the deserts with solar panels and that they would make enough power for the world doesn't mean its feasible at all. You can't mantain the synchronicity of the grid with solar panels alone. The swing generator has to be stable and needs to be able to use appropiate relays to clear faults which renewables like solar and wind aren't able as of yet.

Thats why this image >>12333753 is the most correct representation of today's global green campaign.

Fossil fuels are going to keep being the swing in the grid while the clapping seals will keep screaming YEAHHH WE'RE GOING GREEEN DUDEEEE at each of the insignificant solar/wind (oil company owned) power plants built.

[Anonymous No.12358314]

>>12333729
this might be interesting as well

[Anonymous No.12358663]

>>12357571
That's ok. You were probably distracted by the sound of nuclear plants shutting down, one after another.

[Anonymous No.12358744]

>>12356502

[Anonymous No.12358874]

>>12333743
I can see my house from space. Your point is invalid.

[Anonymous No.12358881]

>>12333863
>Now do the area destroyed for mining all the materials and doing the maintenance please. Also the night problem is not the only one. There is also the cloudy weather during an entire week problem, as well as the fucking winter problem.

All of this goes away if you put the solar panels in space.

[Anonymous No.12358901]

>>12343945
rolling

[Anonymous No.12358937]

>>12333729
solar panels only produce enough electricity in their lifetime to build 85% of a new solar panel. Meaning they lose energy and are readjust derivatives of the oil industry. Also the manufacturing process produces atmospheric pollution that is 17,200 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2. It is more likely solar power will terraform the planet for reptilians than provide power and reduce pollution for humans.

[Anonymous No.12358957]

>>12358937
All of that is wrong. See the drawdown report for the CO2 equivalent of GHGs produced by solar and any reputable source for the payback period of solar panels.

[Anonymous No.12359016]

>>12344357
*brainlet wojak picture is missing

[Anonymous No.12360314]

>>12349272
bro why the FUCK would I want to live attached to any of my neighbours.

every step, ever argument, every slammed drawer. it drives you nuts. no ability to tear your place down and drastically rebuild. strata fees, meetings, depending on your jurisdiction you don't even need total consensus to sell out to a developer and suddenly your asshole neighbours just got you kicked out of your home.

[Anonymous No.12360374]

>>12334791
>Algerian people hates French !

It's mostly the shitstains living in ghettos like Paris or Marseille that hate French and burn cars. And they are not exclusively Algerians.
Maghrebians in the countryside are pretty chill.

[Anonymous No.12360418]

it doesnt really matter what you faggots think because solar power will win by economic forces alone.

[Anonymous No.12360441]

How is oil already not just super efficient solar?

>Plants use photosynthesis to create energy at a higher efficiency than any solar planet, especially when factoring cost
>Plants store the energy as biomass (which becomes oil), which is a far cheaper and more efficient long term storage option than batteries
>We transport the oil to our cars and burn it directly without wasteful wires

[Anonymous No.12360480]

>>12333729
Ok, now build them.

[Anonymous No.12360487]

>>12333729
How will run the wires to anywhere outside of africa?

[Anonymous No.12360518]

>>12360441
Because of how inefficient it is? Plants store about 10% of the energy they receive and it's lost a good portion of that energy by the time it becomes oil. Then you burn it and recoup around 33% of that energy. That means the efficiency is less than 3.3% and the whole process takes millions of years to complete.

>wasteful wires
Transmission losses are pretty low. Around 1% of the energy is lost over 100 miles.

[Anonymous No.12360536]

>>12333729
If this was profitable or efficient the market already would have designed such solar farms.

[Anonymous No.12360713]

>>12339280
Chernobyl, Fookoosheema, mushroom clouds, and glowing green goo.

I regret not considering nuclear science/engineering years ago.

[Anonymous No.12361115]

>>12333729
Sand, you brainlet

[Anonymous No.12361274]

>>12333729
>It will never work. It is science fiction
not understanding the thorium fuel cycle that have been established for some >50 years

[Anonymous No.12361358]

>>12334765
They are really corrupt and sucks french politicans ? like how ? everytime they bring the past when there's a conflict on something.
Honest quesiton here btw. Just don't see how in the fact they are "french loving cunts". Or maybe you talk aboout the money they hide in France

[Anonymous No.12361602]

>muh power at night
I have solution

[Anonymous No.12361890]

>>12360536
there are solar farms like this, e.g.
>>12344499
and they build even more, because Solar PV and onshore wind are now the cheapest sources of new-build generation
https://about.bnef.com/blog/scale-up-of-solar-and-wind-puts-existing-coal-gas-at-risk/

[Anonymous No.12362682]

>>12333729
That why we needed hitler OP.