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Should scientists be held accountable for the deaths of the weapons they create?

>> No.12312975

No. Especially not during war.

>> No.12312984

>>12312975
What about during peace?

>> No.12312989

>>12312984
Still no.

>> No.12312995

>>12312984
He's said no

>> No.12313009

>>12312964
No, Especially not during peace.

>> No.12313021

>>12312984
Care to expand your opinion. I am not very opinionated on the subject and would like to know what /sci/ thinks about it.

>> No.12313026

>>12313021
This for this

>>12312989

>> No.12313057

>>12312964
No, the most powerful atom bomb in the most advanced missiles in the world are completely impotent until a human being gives them a command to go. The only people responsible for a weapon are those who engage in the moral action of using that weapon against other people.
>>12312984
Peace doesn't exist so it's not a relevant thing to consider.

>> No.12313066

>>12312964
>>12313026
Ones intent to harm another is what should be shunned and criticised, however, ones desire to apply scientific ideas to the real world should not be.

>> No.12313071

>>12313057
>Peace doesn't exist
Fuck off Snake

>> No.12313096

>>12313057
Yes but false alarms may happen like the one 1983. What would happen if a missle war was to be started by accident?

>> No.12313165

>>12313096
All the city fags would die.

>> No.12313175

>>12313096
I'm not sure because so far as I know from what's publicly available about missile arming and firing systems it is essentially utterly impossible to accidentally launch an ICBM.
Assuming you mean somebody mistakes some other object for an ICBM and orders a launch, then it would be the moral responsibility of the person who made the misidentification, not the people who designed ICBMs.

Ironically, ICBMs and the existential threat of nuclear extermination has prevented major wars between the world powers directly, acting in a role to preserve """peace""" .

>> No.12313223

>>12312975
What about when they inject their grandkids with a vaccine they created and one of them dies?

>> No.12314252

In all honesty, if a scientist makes a fucking doomsday weapon every rational or capable scientist should work out a countermeasure or at worst find a way to mitigate potential damage, even if their work can be used offensively. I would personally give zero shits if my country was under attack.

>> No.12314296

nuclear weapons don't exist

>> No.12314342

>>12312964
no, the people who use them are the ones accountable, it pissed truman off when oppenhiemer tried to say he was responsible for the deaths when it was truman who was the person who was really responsible.

>> No.12314356

>>12312964
>/sci/ - Science & Math
get the fuck out loser
>>>/his/

>> No.12314359

>>12312964
yes

>> No.12314431

>>12312964
Nope but they should be careful who they give them to. Being patriotic and supporting the current government of you nation are different things.

>> No.12314697

>>12312964
no. they did not deploy the weapons themselves they were only made to make it. however the blood, morally, is still on their hands for creating it. pic related in your post knew that

>> No.12314702

>>12312964

Only if you go to prison for masturbation

>> No.12314708

no somebody would have made the weapon anyway

>> No.12314711

>>12314356
>>/lit/
That's more accurate. It's a philosophical question rather than a scientific or historical one.

>> No.12314715

>>12312964
Chain of command retard, who ordered them to create them in the first place?

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>>12312984
>during peace

>> No.12314727

No, in fact their annual performance bonus should be a increased as their inventions kill people.

>> No.12315382

>>12314711
>/his/ - History & Humanities
I'm fairly sure this falls under humanities

>> No.12315417

>>12312964
No, the president that pushes the button is responsible. So is the Congress that allows him to push the button, as well as the public that elected them. The military turns every new technology into a weapon.

>> No.12315422

>>12312964
No. State weapons are states responsibility. Weapons are means of defense and offense. Not developing weapons is a sign of a dying country.

>> No.12315429

>>12312964
Yes. The person who pushes the button is also responsible but there is no reason to create that option for him in the first place. Don't tempt others and then pretend you have nothing to do with it.
Similarly, if you create a ponzi scheme, you won't have a convenient excuse of "Well, they came to me, I didn't force them to deposit money."

>> No.12315430

>>12312964
Should retards be accountable for the deaths there lag of understanding create?

>> No.12315445

>>12312964
Not scientists specifically. If there were no advanced weapons humans would have killed each other with sticks and stones. The flaw is within human nature which is why all humans must die.

>> No.12315448

>>12315429
The person that pushes the button asked for the button. Most of the scientists working on nuclear fission probably did not want to use it to kill millions of people. Most of them are only there for the science, but the paycheck only comes from the people who only care about creating more efficient ways of killing.

>> No.12315464

>>12315448
>The person that pushes the button asked for the button.
And he couldn't ask for the button if that wasn't an option.
>Most of them are only there for the science
Okay, but the intent does not create reality. Net result is pretty clear, and there needs to be consequences for the results that people help to produce.
If people were accountable for that, we wouldn't be where we are now.

You don't get to walk away from risks you create for other people just because your initial intention wasn't to create the risk.

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>>12313009
>during peace
There was never peace in the past. All of it is the revenge of the past.

>> No.12315586

>>12312964
the destruction that can be caused by science is immeasurable but you can't hold scientists responsible for it.
why do you think govt's invest so much in R&D and regulate all sort of technology exportations.
Because at the end of the day science gives them power. all that matters is power.

>> No.12315853

>>12315382
This. Humanities failures are always holding back scientists with their political and moral bs.