Scientifically speaking, what is the most effective form of government?

[Anonymous No.12290823]

[Anonymous No.12290836]

AItocracy

[Anonymous No.12290860]

>>12290823
For now it appears to be capitalism. But take note that we are talking in terms of "efficiency" as defined by the system (profits, technological progress, etc). If you want "happiness" or "equality" then a small tribe is probably the best.

[Anonymous No.12290862]

>>12290823
Brave New World.

[Anonymous No.12290863]

>>12290860
But how are small tribes supposed to make video games and anime?

[Anonymous No.12290867]

>>12290823
define effective

[Anonymous No.12290870]

>>12290867
by effective, I mean the best

[Anonymous No.12290879]

>>12290823
Efficiency is entirely dependent to the populace not being a bunch of retards and getting workd done where encessary.

Not, like in India where everyone is busy meditation wanking instead of telling themselves "oh, we lack infrastructure, let's build it", or Africa where most of them are selfish assholes too busy fucking and pumping babies who starve and suffer horribly because their parents only think with their genitalia.

[Anonymous No.12290913]

>>12290863
Videogames and anime emulate basic human interactions for a lot of people. Games often are based on skill and pursuing goals (things that you lack in the modern world where most goals are too abstract to make the brain feel good). Most animes emulate basic human interaction, just look at people who keep idealizing anime girls. Shonen animes have a cast of "friends" who you see going on adventures and fighting (I think a big difference that anime has from other media is this focus on the characters themselves rather than the story). As you can see, in a small tribe you have shit to do and friends to play and fuck so theres no need (or time) for anime and games.

[Anonymous No.12291212]

>>12290870
best for what?

[Anonymous No.12291234]

>>12290823
Monocultural ethnonationalism ruled by a small monarchy.
Source: Ants.

[Anonymous No.12291277]

>>12290823
There isnt a single on it is directly related to how retarded your populace is. IN a perfect world a liberal Constitutional Republic. Unfortunately everyone is so stupid and clueless now they themselves are the direct threat to the Republic couple with the fact that we are under direct attack, eco-fascism is the only cure.

[Anonymous No.12291300]

>>12290823
Utilitarianism

[Anonymous No.12291322]

>>12290823
Educated technocracy...

It's about people to not be stupid. People's stupidness can't be blamed on goverment.

[Anonymous No.12291330]

>>12290823
Limited government. Low Taxation. Free people.

[Anonymous No.12291332]

>>12291322
That's what we have now and it's a disaster for everyone but the technocrats themselves.

[Anonymous No.12291336]

>>12290823
Oligarchy with some citizen enfranchisement, and a regulated free market economy.

[Anonymous No.12291341]

>>12290823
For humans: Keynesian capitalism or social democracy

For cyborgs: fully automated luxury communism

[Anonymous No.12291344]

>>12290823
Benevolent dictator.
>>12290860
Capitalism isn't government, it's an economical system.

[Anonymous No.12291345]

>>12291341
>Keynesian capitalism or social democracy
evidence that this has worked?

[Anonymous No.12291346]

>>12291330
Well great news anon, Somalia might be just for you.

[Anonymous No.12291356]

>>12290823
Unironically socialism.

Cybernetic economic planning is fucking based.

[Anonymous No.12291357]

>>12291346
do you really believe if people were free they would behave like 68 IQ Africans?

[Anonymous No.12291358]

>>12290823
Technocratic city-state communism.

[Anonymous No.12291380]

>>12290860
Small tribes that inhabit an decently large habitable area with minimal contact with more settled people you mean

[Anonymous No.12291394]

>>12290823
Enlightened dictatorship. The trouble is getting the 'enlightened' part but no government can possibly be better than a single person telling people what to do and having them do it.

[Anonymous No.12291417]

>>12290823
Political "science" isn't /sci/ence. You didn't even specify what efficiency means.
>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.12291436]

>>12290823
Benevolent dictatorships are the best in the short term, but are incredibly unstable. Democracy is extremely stable, but also much harder to fix when there is a problem.

[Anonymous No.12291454]

A militarized society that views everyone as part of the tribe. Also has a chain of command where everyone has ranks like the military. If makes society highly organized and everyone is accountable to somebody. So either like sparta without the two kings or the Mongol government of the medieval ages.

[Anonymous No.12291461]

>>12291345
You're living in it if you're in the west i.e. America, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand etc. America leans less towards social democracy, though.

It is the best system so far... until AI gets so good that it can usher us into an era of techno socialism/communism without bureaucratic inefficacy.

[Anonymous No.12291498]

>>12291461
>the UK
Orwellian Hellscape.

[Anonymous No.12291508]

Nature and consciousness are not static things
Why would a system of governance be

I can talk about what is rising, but a problem with male thinkers is perceiving in absolutes and 100's. This is the real delusion, but it serves its purpose for confidence in enacting out its measures.
Nature is not a totalitarian thing, but totalitarian thinking is what acts as the spear to carry out change and new structure.
Nature is truly a heterarchy of oscillating hierarchies. What has gone too far and become stagnant or too pervasive puts stress on some aspects of consciousness. So long as it is generative and fruitful, it will remain. But once this ceases, it's inevitable that the axe comes out and it will be usurped. Dormant aspects of consciousness will then begin to arise.
Humans want it all, they just can't have it all at once. Thus, the stage rotates.
This is why the swastika is such a brilliant symbol. It was a pretty big fallacy to attribute it to a totalitarian movement, if the Nazi's were in fact just so.

[Anonymous No.12291509]

>>12291508
In life there is only a wheel, and it must keep rotating and agitating energy.
What arises is whatever can ignite the most energy and continue such ignition.

[Anonymous No.12291516]

>>12291436
are democracies actually stable though? In the Arab spring. all the democracies fell while the monarchies stood. Napoleon took power right after France got rid of monarchy and adopted democracy, and Hitler took power not long after Germany become a republic.

[Anonymous No.12291520]

>>12291516
Governance systems come and go, but the general tendency is sort of a balance. Democracy represents some, and rulers or monarchies represent some.
We're sold full democracy, but it's more balanced than that for obvious reasons.
Not everyones energy is worth the same relative to the current economy of values.

[Anonymous No.12291537]

one based on voluntarism
technocracy is for psychopaths who's whims will always be inefficient

[Anonymous No.12291544]

>>12291277
Bump!

[Anonymous No.12291586]

>>12290836
So one man to lead a nation (almost/or sometimes) like a god for the people?

We've seen this in the Dark Ages, Medieval period, Bronze Age, and even now Communist China making the same economic mistakes as 1990's Japan, with trying to manipulate its GDP on an international stage.

[Anonymous No.12291595]

>>12291332
Economist and social reserve isn't technocrats... Goverment is way low on technology and doesn't support it production almost nowhere, or it's not publicaly available.

It's hard to sum goverment model in less than 1200 pages.

[Anonymous No.12291629]

>>12290823
Benevolent monarchy

[Anonymous No.12291684]

>>12291277
jesus fuck just shut up

[Anonymous No.12291732]

>>12291684
> jesus fuck just shut up

That's not a scientific method. Also OP's question is fucking retarded and Anon should've gone to >>>/pol/ or >>>/b/ with this shit

[Anonymous No.12291734]

>>12290823
The form of government most acclimated to your definition of effective.

[Anonymous No.12291737]

>>12291344
>Capitalism isn't government
It is in the US where all politics and legislation is accomplished through systematic bribery for campaign financing.

[Anonymous No.12291748]

>>12290823
none

[Anonymous No.12291760]

Op here. I literally made this thread becuase I wanted to think of something stupid to post that would get people to post. So I thought of this and just said, “scientifically speaking” so that way it wouldn’t get trashed.

[Anonymous No.12291764]

>>12291760
Damn

[Anonymous No.12291768]

>>12291764
It just shows that this board is filled with a bunch of midwits and not a bastion of intelligence like they may want to believe.

[Anonymous No.12291783]

>>12291768
Actually I was hoping for a discussion about future physical methods, technologies and theories that would implement a more perfect society. And after that... what political view/party would work best with the tools and methods that would've been theorized.

[Anonymous No.12291785]

>>12290823
If people knew the answer to that, they wouldn't be endlessly bickering about it.

[Anonymous No.12291789]

>>12291345
>>Keynesian capitalism
>evidence that this has worked?
You've been living under it since the great depression

[Anonymous No.12291790]

>>12291783
desu I think that Kaczynski was right about society. This idea that we can find some way to function well in this world and keep all our fancy tech is a false hope. It will either lead to our destruction or enslavement

[Anonymous No.12291796]

>>12291790
Depends how one defines enslavement. It's a feeling and that which enslave changes, as well as its relative to the individual.

Ted wants to do away with tech completely, I don't think it's realistic. We go to space and we colonize the cosmos.
We need balance though, and it's time we awaken our connection with nature once more. That's the wave that needs to arise now.
We can utilize tech for us, as opposed to us being utilized for it. As a means to deepen our connection with nature and reality.

[Anonymous No.12291801]

>>12291796
>We go to space and we colonize the cosmos
this is far more unrealistic than society collapsing and living in a low tech world. With the stagnation weve been having in tech and science, its simply a pipe dream at this point to think that we will live like people do in sci fi novels.

[Anonymous No.12291802]

Other than the whole killing jews thing (assuming it actually happened and wasn't just allied propaganda), what exactly was wrong with National Socialism?

[Anonymous No.12291803]

>>12291796
>Depends how one defines enslavement.
The amount of freedom you have to live your life without any person or system getting in the way

[Anonymous No.12291821]

>>12291790
Unfortunately, I feel the same way. With the codependency on tech caused by the COVID lock-downs. As well as the popularization of crypto currency, biogenetic chips and A.I. tech becoming stronger day by day. I feel that this future utopia is possible... but it won't be nice to look at.

[Anonymous No.12291824]

>>12291803
Even this is subjective and relative to the feelings and values of the individual you ask

[Anonymous No.12291831]

>>12291801
the stagnation is in part because of our objective-centric cultures and our utter lack of rigorously questioning fundamentals, or coming up with any new language with any reasonable breadth of development behind it.
It's just in us to go to the cosmos and spread the mothers seed.
For now, and for the foreseeable future, we're going to be a lot more in>out rather than out>in. Meaning we will start moving towards the needs of the individuals and groups rather than the objectivity of people pulling the strings.
If science is genuine discovery, then we've stagnated because the sciences have lost this important factor in its race for techno-supremacy. The bios still have a long way to go.
I'm also willing to bet that the convolution of the languages in science are going to lead people away from much of the structure in order to just freely experiment with their own ideas.

Life happens in balances, not absolutes. Where's the pendulum at. We think in absolutes because it affords us the confidence to go in that direction and envision an absolute system. This confidence is sort of necessary in imposing itself

[Anonymous No.12291851]

Weighted democracy.
People are not equal with respect to decision making. Some are better educated, intelligent, skilled, experienced, and carry greater responsibilities than others. This should be recognized in the weight of their vote.

For example only: The vote of an unemployed school leaver with no family, no tertiary qualifications, no trade qualifications should get the basic minimum of 1 vote. The vote of a professional with 20 years work experience, who employs other people, who has children, would be worth a lot more. Anywhere from 100 to 1000 votes depending the exact attributes.

Secondly, the right to vote should not be automatic upon reaching a certain age. Everyone must earn the right to vote by passing tests measuring basic literacy and numeracy criteria in the language of the nation. The tests are exactly the same for everyone. No pass = no vote.

Thirdly. The weight of votes are further modified by the issue being voted upon. Teacher's votes would be assigned greater weight in matters of education. Likewise for health processionals in matters concerning health.

Fourthly. There are no partisan party politics. Candidates stand for portfolio positions. Voters do not cast a vote for a party, but rather vote for the candidates in each portfolio. Most issues arising after an election are decided by plebiscite.

Highly complex and expensive? Yes. But the long term benefits by far outweigh the cost. Suspectable to hackers? Yes. High levels of security and fail-safe mechanisms will need to be borne. This is another expense. Highly efficient and like an autocratic technocracy? Yes. Far less squandering of public resources and an incentive to move the population towards constructive political participation and towards being highly skilled and educated. Also national leaders unbound by the need to follow party lines, and the ability to create focus on achieving national aims, such as science and technology advancement.

[Anonymous No.12291862]

>>12291344
so close and yet so far.

[Anonymous No.12291873]

>>12291802
Starting a war with the entire planet wasn't a great idea, socialist messaging that got them into power was completely ignored afterwards, they talked big about how industrialists and wartime profiteers were evil and would be done away with, but in practice as long as you weren't Jewish you could do whatever the fuck you wanted. To summarize nazi germany was just another example of fascism failing horribly because it turns out once the fascists are in power, and prove incompetent the only way lose power is by destroying the entire country.

[Anonymous No.12291899]

>>12291873
Hitler made up whatever narrative advanced his position.
Totalitarians will never succeed. Nature demands diversity.

[Anonymous No.12291906]

Capitalism but with no interest on transactions and loans.

[Anonymous No.12291922]

Rule by secrecy.

[Anonymous No.12291946]

>>12291899
So how does your tribe compete with ethnostates on the global arena? Well, we are the most diverse cocksuckers on the market.

[Anonymous No.12291965]

>>12291946
Diversity doesn't mean that you have to have diverse people in the same place.
Expecting them all to cooperate would also mean they would need similar states of mind which isn't diversity.

Having multiple areas with each with its own unique state of mind and values is diversity.
Mussolini had the right idea what he said some shit about "not race, but state". While he was just talking narrative BS for his own goals, and while the perspective was towards getting everyone to subjugate towards the state, he wasn't wrong.
Any group of individuals can share similar values and perspectives regardless of background.
Imagine a white ethnostate of lesbian man-haters, neo nazis, American rednecks, wall street chicken hawks, and hippy farmers. Obviously this wouldn't work.

[Anonymous No.12291981]

>>12291965
Basically lesbians need lezzyland
Indigenous need ooowoowooland
Gays need buttsexland
Blacks need wakanda
So on

I would say state would function suuuuper hands off, and relative to the needs of each group. Sort of like a steward to facilitate their needs.
States objectives would be relative to the needs of the groups. The more a number of groups aligned on a value, the more energy could be put into developing and dispersing it.
I would say that all state-objectives would just be like bounties for groups and capitalists to compete after, and resource being dispersed based on accomplishing that bounty. Once its been accomplished, a new one is put up to address.
The infinite singular direction we have now is silly and just aches for collapse. Objectives should always be seen as temporary and with a point, even if the point is that the groups want to expand development in a specific field non-objectively

If a group gets too large, either they are dismantled, voluntarily decide to go a new way and disperse (join other groups values and perspectives), develop in new ways, or they basically just battle it out with the other groups lol

If you keep rotating the values, you can pretty much always assure that no singular group will get out of hand, since they simply won't have the specialization necessary to beat the specs of the other groups

So state, or whoevers dishing out resource, can just change the stage on what the major cultural values are. This way, many aspects of different groups can be grown, just being brought more forward at different times

All an economy really is, is that which will agitate our energy. Humans are the resource. Money=labor=energy+skill. Anything very well developed will help agitate, expand, and illuminate us to invest ourselves into partaking in culture

With these different groups, have high mobility. But when you enter a place, you adhere to their rules, state of mind, perspective, etc
Requires the option for high mobility

[Anonymous No.12291997]

>>12290823
>what is the most effective form of government?
Directory with national socialist characteristics

[Anonymous No.12291998]

>>12291330
Good, then fuck off to Somalia or cartel controlled Mexico

[Anonymous No.12292000]

>>12291336
>Oligarchy
absolutely not. this leads to an elite and subsequently to a socialist revolution by the masses

[Anonymous No.12292001]

>>12290823

Marxist-Leninist.

[Anonymous No.12292004]

>>12291516
>Napoleon took power right after France got rid of monarchy and adopted democracy
Napoleon was a literal emperor brainlet

[Anonymous No.12292006]

>>12291790
I like the idea of small 150-200 people communities all interconnected in a bigger nation with partial power over them except the military that has to be at big scale

[Anonymous No.12292008]

>>12292001
Ukraine agrees with you anon

[Anonymous No.12292011]

>>12291873
>Starting a war with the entire planet
Communism was too much of a threat to leave it be though

[Anonymous No.12292012]

>>12291516

Democracies are metastable. It relies on a careful balance of resources and power. Once a democracy becomes poor, a resource overwhelms the productivity of the tax-paying citizens, or a social class becomes overwhelmingly powerful, it is likely to fall into dictatorship.

[Anonymous No.12292016]

>>12291234
Are you aware of the fact that we all aren't genetic siblings with each other?

[Anonymous No.12292019]

>>12291851
>Thirdly. The weight of votes are further modified by the issue being voted upon. Teacher's votes would be assigned greater weight in matters of education. Likewise for health processionals in matters concerning health.
So they get the most say over matters regarding their own budget, hours and benefits? People are just going to vote for their own self interests rather than what's the most efficient and beneficial for society.

[Anonymous No.12292021]

>>12292008

On the contrary. The grain sold overseas fueled the fastest and most furious industrialization in world's history. The grain sold overseas paid for the machinery necessary for the vast expansion of the industry achieving the objectives of the plan in just 4 years ahead of the 5-years schedule.

[Anonymous No.12292025]

>>12290913
>a serious reply to a retarded post
this is absolutely why i love /sci/. respect.

[Anonymous No.12292032]

>>12291516
Are Libya and Syria examples of average democratic countries?

Generally speaking, democratic systems aren't necessarily the best for governing, but the increased stability (i.e. you don't have to start a violent revolution to make changes to the system) compared to authoritarian systems makes them worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.12292035]

>>12290870
i lol'd

[Anonymous No.12292037]

>>12292019
>So they get the most say over matters regarding their own budget, hours and benefits? People are just going to vote for their own self interests rather than what's the most efficient and beneficial for society.
acting like this isn't how it already works

[Anonymous No.12292039]

Inverse of chinese authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.12292043]

>>12291516

Successful and stable democracies rely on a well-educated and productive population relatively speaking. Since taxes are usually lower in democracies, that means that governments need to encourage citizen's productivity to get revenue.

By contrast, the worst and most stable of dictatorships are those that rely not on the fruits of human labor but on a few or one natural resource.

[Anonymous No.12292056]

>>12292019
I have found you another pair of pants to wear on your head. Should match the existing pair you have got there.

[Anonymous No.12292066]

>>12292021
>The grain sold overseas fueled the fastest and most furious industrialization in world's history
>millions of people died, it's ok
lmao day of the rope is never soon enough

[Anonymous No.12292072]

>>12292066

Sorry, anon. You already sold the rope.

[Anonymous No.12292075]

>>12290823

Communism with Chinese characteristics.

[Anonymous No.12292086]

>>12292016
The question was "what is the most effective", not "what can we do ethically". MME requires killing most of the global population, but in the end it would be the most efficient and stable structure.

[Anonymous No.12292492]

>>12290823
The one china has right now.