Climate Change

[Anonymous No.12275946]

How fucked are we?

[Anonymous No.12275974]

none at all, unfortunately the planet's ability to support carbon-based life only increases until atmospheric co2 gets to be in the 2000ppm range. thats centuries away if it happens at all. if you think earth is too crowed now, you're going to hate the future. the population of africa has already been doubling every 25 years for the past century, by the time you're old this planet will be teeming with africans, they'll be 20 billion of the 30 billion or so people on the planet

[Anonymous No.12275982]

>>12275946
Not at all.

[Anonymous No.12275991]

>>12275974
>the population of africa has already been doubling every 25 years
This is the cost of blind "altruism"
People need to also develop for themselves

[Anonymous No.12276000]

Not very.

[Anonymous No.12276001]

>>12275991
Its been a tragedy for nature and wildlife in Africa.

[Anonymous No.12276004]

>>12275974
Those population numbers will be unsustainable in many ways than just "climate change". Certain nutrients are finite. No phosphorus, no ATP.

[Anonymous No.12276008]

>>12276001
Blindly supply energy and resources is a misstep in development
It's like just giving a kid a bunch of things and expecting they'll develop.

I employ a degree of scarcity because I find I develop well with it.

[Anonymous No.12276016]

resource depletion is a much bigger issue. We can cope with environmental change as long as we have the energy/resources

[Anonymous No.12276055]

There is zero evidence for climate change.

[Anonymous No.12276070]

>>12275946
Kinda fucked. Expect more wars, hordes of refugees and immigrants, and frequent terrorist attacks in the coming decades.

[Anonymous No.12276147]

>>12275946
It's a meme.

[Anonymous No.12276185]

Heard of horizontal well drilling? There's more to it than just fracking. The USA has been a net oil exporter since December 2019, way before COVID flattened oil demand.
The question that really matters:
Will the changes to the ppm of carbon in the atmosphere, the incidence rate of cold weather, the incidence rate of hot weather, the incidence rate of rain, the incidence rate of drought, the incidence rate of tornadoes, the incidence rate of hurricanes, the incidence rate of derechos, meltwater usage, meltwater availability, groundwater usage, groundwater availability, fertiliser availability, tractor/truck fuel availability, pest presence, chemical pollution, plastic pollution, electromagnetic spectrum pollution, radionuclide pollution, the incidence rate of human diseases, the incidence rate of livestock diseases, the availability of electrical power, the economy, the availability of finished goods to replace broken equipment, the availability of raw materials to replace broken equipment cause a famine in the USA?
The CIA and the department of agriculture don't seem worried about this, so why should you be? Are they wrong?

In the absolute worst case scenario, we can carry on civilisation in Canada at this level:
https://acoup.blog/2020/07/24/collections-bread-how-did-they-make-it-part-i-farmers/

[Anonymous No.12276257]

>>12275946
Not fucked.
We are succeeding in saving the environment.

Keep uniting people for everlasting utopia on this giant round spaceship called earth.

GLORY TO HUMANITY AND OUR WORLD

[Anonymous No.12276271]

>>12276008
They shouldn't get any help at all.
it's unethical.
also it's a fucking waste of taxes.
>>12275946
It'll eventually be marketable and thus profitable.
no biggies.

[Anonymous No.12276678]

>>12275946
Conspiracy theories are for >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.12276724]

>>12275946
pretty fucked but we can turn it around

[Anonymous No.12276868]

>>12275974
We will have malthusian collapse way before that. I am just not sure which thing we will run out first of. Maybe phosphorus like the other anon mentioned

[Anonymous No.12276886]

>>12275946
She'll be roight cobba

[Anonymous No.12276915]

>>12275974
>the population of africa has already been doubling every 25 years for the past century, by the time you're old this planet will be teeming with africans
the average african pollutes far less that the average westerner.

[Anonymous No.12276927]

>>12276915
go live there then you dopey fuck

[Anonymous No.12277079]

>>12275946
7 days and we are saved.

[Anonymous No.12277097]

>>12277079
Pic unrelated btw

[Anonymous No.12277168]

>>12275946
Look at what's going on between Ethiopia and Egypt, the argument over the new dam.
The are on the verge of a war.
10 years from now, this will repeat with the Indus river, between India and Pakistan.
Pakistan is 3x bigger and both have nuclear weapons.
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=39m15s

[Anonymous No.12277189]

>>12277168
Turkey vs Iraq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c7AuSQdvow

[Anonymous No.12277349]

>>12276055

[Anonymous No.12277378]

>>12275974
The problem isn’t the amount of carbon or the temperature. It’s that those things are changing too fast and whenever that’s happened in history there’s been a mass extinction event. The anons talking about running out of resources are also correct

[Anonymous No.12277561]

>>12275974
What are all those people going to eat? Doesn't Africa already import half its food?

[Anonymous No.12277580]

BONGALD GLOMPFFT

[Anonymous No.12277665]

>>12277168
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54531747

[Anonymous No.12277693]

>>12277561
why?
don't they have some of the most fertile land in the world?

[Anonymous No.12277708]

nutritional yeast or some type of phytoplankton grown in open ocean farms. We kill everything but maybe squeeze 100 billion people in.

[Anonymous No.12277857]

>>12275946
not much, earth returning to the pre iceage tropical climate won't be an issue. You will have to relocate farms and such but thats something we have been doing since civilization began.

[Anonymous No.12278225]

>>12276271

Maybe you should start paying them for all the REEs you snatch from them you greedy mutt

[Anonymous No.12278228]

>>12275946
Pretty hosed.

[Anonymous No.12278234]

>>12276185
They just can do anything about it except placate people and try to prepare. Really you think the CI fucking A is going to start spreading panic about an agricultural collapse?

[Anonymous No.12278249]

>>12275946
We are all going to die unless we vote the greens into power.

[Anonymous No.12278277]

>>12275946
Pretty fucked, cos the only solutions will economically hurt people.

Those with the power to help have the most to loose,

[Anonymous No.12278337]

>>12275946
Very

[Anonymous No.12278342]

>>12277168
Most of idias water supply is actually controlled by china as it originates on the Tibetan plateu along with most of south East asias water.
The water wars will be an especially brutal part of human history.

[Anonymous No.12278351]

Global warming is not real. Take threads about it to /x/

[Anonymous No.12278410]

>>12278351
>it's not real guys
>don't look at the data
>DON'T LOOK REEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.12278526]

>>12277168
Even though we have known for a long time that climate change is real and does happen, instead of preparing for it we have wasted billions for nonsensical stuff like renewable energy and climate change programs because of the anthropogenic climate change fraud. We had a lot of time to prepare, to solve conflicts before they even start, instead we are going to see countries fighting over resources in the near future because the world has been misled by the ipcc, the un, politicians, scientists and journalists without conscience.

[Anonymous No.12278542]

>>12278410
>guys, please look at my data, it's not fake this time, i swear it's not fake.
>GUUUUUUUYYYYYYSS IT'S NOT FAKE,IT'S NOT FAKE!!!!

[Anonymous No.12278551]

https://www.ipcc.ch/2018/10/08/summary-for-policymakers-of-ipcc-special-report-on-global-warming-of-1-5c-approved-by-governments/

[Anonymous No.12278555]

>>12277168
>>12278342
>>12278526

US and EU countries deliberately perpetuate the pollution and depletion, which has been successfully outsource to the 3rd world along with the consequences (i.e. drought, famine).

[Anonymous No.12278577]

>>12278551
ipcc has been debunked so many times this joke isnt even funny anymore

[Anonymous No.12278747]

>>12278577
Anyone who says a scientific topic is "debunked" has no idea what their talking about

[Anonymous No.12278766]

>>12278542
i unironically shill anti climate change propaganda even though i whole heartedly believe and know that climate change will destroy humanity.

i also do the same when it comes to masks and covid conspiracies

[Anonymous No.12278776]

>>12278555
ultra based

[Anonymous No.12278791]

>>12278766
So you pretend to be intelligent and follow sound science but in fact you're actually retarded.

I wish more people were like you.

[Anonymous No.12278798]

>>12275946
>climate change
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.12278818]

>>12275946
As an asthmatic I can tell you people like me wont last long in a few decades. If I have everyday issues living in one of the top 5 worst places for asthmatics I can't imagine functioning outside without aid once shit gets worse across the globe.

[Anonymous No.12278823]

>>12278818
Air quality have improved in the west. Less smog etc.

Or are you some transgender version of asthma based on alternative medicine where CO2 is your attack trigger?

[Anonymous No.12278949]

>>12278818
Move to rural areas.

[Anonymous No.12278957]

>>12275946
>How fucked are we?

It's like Covid. If we act fast and hard it can be stopped. If we pretend it does not exist we get wave after wave. Millions get killed and it keeps getting worse and worse.

[Anonymous No.12278971]

>>12278957

[Anonymous No.12278975]

>>12278798
go back

[Anonymous No.12278982]

>>12278577
>>12278747
"debunk" is the latest meme by the same pol/tards that shitpost 'clamped' and 'reddit' at everything and anything

[Anonymous No.12279465]

>>12275946
we are gang raped

[Anonymous No.12279487]

>>12278798
Oil shill go home

[Anonymous No.12279565]

This thread is a pretty good microcosm of why climate change is going to continue unchecked for a long time. We have great freedoms of thought and expression, but poor education and social cohesion. All that combines together into a society that can't collectively agree on anything even the plainly obvious (see also:covid).

This is why we're screwed. Make plans for yourself to try and isolate from the worst effects, is the only advice I have.

[Anonymous No.12279648]

>>12279565
>climate change is going to continue unchecked for a long time.

As if we have the power the change the climate, are you delusional? What we can do is prepare for the effects of climate change, countries can adapt to the harsher conditions, for example we could have prepared for the grand solar minimum that is starting, instead we moved in the opposite direction wasting billions for nonsensical stuff like renewable energy and climate change programs based on the anthropogenic climate change fraud, we are highly unprepared and vulnerable for what is coming. Of course a crisis is always good for power hungry people to get more power.

[Anonymous No.12279686]

>>12279565
stop acting like you're superior faggot, like a redditor, we can't change the climate yet, we don't have the technology, we can prepare for the worse and hope they will fix Fusion to get ride of the big problem, the energy. After they fix fusion, somehow make an engine to work with it and humanity can conquer the stars. No more resource problems, no more crisis, etc.

[Anonymous No.12279704]

>>12278957
>It's like Covid.
Yes.
It's like covid in that
>The actual science says it's a nothingburger.
>Political forces have hijacked it.
>The supposed cures to it actually do not difference at all but put money and poltical power into the pocket of some selected people.

And just like with covid the best solution is to ignore the problem and ridicule the dumbasses that believe it's a real world issue.

[Anonymous No.12279705]

>>12277693
>don't they have some of the most fertile land in the world?
Lol no

[Anonymous No.12279716]

>>12275946
Well, we were super fucked at least 3 times in the 80s from what I remember when I grew up, then 4+ times in the 90s, the noughties were no different, the tens much the same and here we are again the science is pretty much "settled".
Or maybe we're being bled dry through various taxation methods while the big polluting countries continue with business as usual until at least 2030 before they even consider cutting down?

Remember to buy your indulgentia carbon emissions quota.

[Anonymous No.12279722]

>>12276915
It’s not an issue of average carbon emissions or plastic use. Every human being needs to be fed a certain amount of food and needs a certain amount of space to live. If there are 5 billion Africans in 50 years a lot more forested areas will need to be converted to living space and farm lands to support them. Less forests = more carbon. The future will be billions of Africans living in project housing the size of the Burj Khalifa and most likely mass suicides of whites and Asians.

[Anonymous No.12279739]

>>12279722
Are you writing a fairytale because everything you just said have
Source: your ass.

[Anonymous No.12279772]

>>12279739
Okay then prove me wrong faggot. If all humans live a net zero life style (not possible I know) but we still experience a massive increase of populations. The environment will still be fucked.

[Anonymous No.12279830]

>>12275946
Here's whats going to happen

When we are looking back at another degree the renewable fags and the denial fags will come begging for nuclear power and sulfur dioxide.

[Anonymous No.12279851]

>>12276185
Farming isn't just about climate. Canada has terrible soil. What good soil it does have is already being cultivated. You can't just say
>muh warmer temperatures
and think that you can farm on melting permafrost with long, dark winters near the arctivc circle or on acidic muskeg.
Not to mention that one of the consequeces of climate change is highly variable and unpredictable weather with more common and more extreme extremes. That'll also be the case in Canada.
In short: Canada will be producing LESS food in the future, not more.

[Anonymous No.12279930]

>>12279686
>appeals to technological progress
>you goddamn redditfags baka

projecting a bit there buddy

[Anonymous No.12279944]

i can piss and shit at the same time

[Anonymous No.12279964]

>>12279851
If the temperature warms the seasons are longer. And extreme weather events are fewer, not more. More CO2 increases growth yields.

Everything becomes better. Canada will implode to do retarded ideologically driven suicide politics but everywhere else will produce more food.

[Anonymous No.12279978]

>>12275946
More fucked than the deniers think we'll be. Less fucked than the "Oh no the sky is falling" crowd thinks we'll be.

[Anonymous No.12280002]

>>12277349
OK so multiple predictions of ice free north pole has failed totally, utterly and completely. Now tell me why we should believe they can predict climate 80 years ahead??

[Anonymous No.12280018]

I wish my mother hadn't thrown away her 70s science textbooks. I remember they described the ice age that was to wipe out humanity by the late 90s. I was personally taught that my country was going to be desertic by 2030 so i guess i'll have to wait 10 more years

[Anonymous No.12280052]

>>12279964
>extreme weather events are fewer, not more
Literally nobody predicts this. Where are you getting it from?

[Anonymous No.12280263]

>>12275946
aquifer depletion is a bigger problem.

[Anonymous No.12280278]

>>12276915
They should keep living in extreme poverty so they don't pollute as much as us.

[Anonymous No.12280282]

>>12279565
China's current success with Covid may prove to be an endorsement of their society as a whole. While Westerners were protesting the wearing of masks as too heavy a breach on their freedoms the Chinese state was stapling doors shut, enforcing months-long lockdowns, and testing entire city populations within 1 week spans. If anyone can respond to climate change it is the Chinese.

[Anonymous No.12280343]

>>12280002
>OK so multiple predictions of ice free north pole has failed
What predictions? Al Gore?

>Now tell me why we should believe they can predict climate 80 years ahead??
Because (((they))) have predicted temperatures accurately for several decades and the predictions are based on a good understanding of the climate.

But at least you have dropped the idiotic claim that there's no evidence.

[Anonymous No.12280453]

1. Carbon Dioxide has a greenhouse effect in the atmosphere
2. Humans are increasing carbon dioxide by burning trapped deposits of hydrocarbons

whats wrong with these two assertions?
its utterly simple

[Anonymous No.12280559]

>>12278249
If we killed all green voters, the CO2 output in Europe would be reduced by 1/3.

[Anonymous No.12280562]

>>12278818
CO2 is not causing astma you fucking retard.
You're talking about air pollution which is getting better in the West.

[Anonymous No.12280564]

>>12280282
>release fake numbers
>guys we are doing great

[Anonymous No.12280600]

>>12280282
> China's current success...

Get the dick out of your mouth, bro.

[Anonymous No.12280971]

We aren't exactly fucked but we will live just long enough to see the generations that are actually fucked and say, "sorry, we didn't know at the time".
Even with all the data and actual scientists (not uni students on basket weaving forums) ringing alarm bells about how we need to make some serious changes in regards to emissions not in 2 decades but NOW, people will still stick their heads in the sand and refuse to believe it.
Politicizing climate change was one of the worst mistakes humanity has ever made and honestly we deserve what's coming. We've had plenty of time to act on this but continually refuse to.
I'm just glad I'll be dead before society starts collapsing.

[Anonymous No.12281639]

>>12279851
viking were literally farming greenland during a period of climate change when temperatures were warming

[Anonymous No.12281721]

>>12280600
>i have no argument

[Anonymous No.12282063]

>>12279648
>As if we have the power the change the climate
Yes.

https://escholarship.org/content/qt3428v1r6/qt3428v1r6_noSplash_b5903aebfe105b4071103e11197138f8.pdf

[Anonymous No.12282166]

>>12280971
Al Gore attempting to champion the movement was its coffin.

[Anonymous No.12282625]

>>12279704

I like you

[Anonymous No.12282637]

>>12280971
>I'm just glad I'll be dead before society starts collapsing
Pussy, why wouldnt you want to live in interesting times? I hope it happens soon, atleast my death will be interesting that way

[Anonymous No.12282732]

>>12280343
how convenient for you to use manipulated data in your arguments.

https://youtu.be/pjlPvwRP-fM

[Anonymous No.12282794]

>>12282063
nope.

The claim that the warming 2000-2010 is from CO2 confuses cause with effect. Warming of the atmosphere due to internal variability, ocean oscillations, cloud cover changes, solar amplification mechanisms, etc. secondarily warm the CO2 in the atmosphere increasing the 15 micron IR radiation observed from increased levels of CO2. The peak emission spectra of CO2 is at 15 microns, which by Wien's displacement law is equivalent to a blackbody radiating at -80C. Per the second law of thermodynamics, a low temperature/frequency/energy body at -80C cannot warm a higher temperature/frequency/energy body at 15C (Earth). Increased CO2 facilitates loss of outgoing IR radiation to space, as has been observed by an increase in OLR (Outgoing Longwave Radiation) over the past 60+ years, opposite to the predictions of the alternative radiative forcing greenhouse theory. CO2 is a ‘well mixed gas’ which spreads worldwide, and has been rising at a fairly steady rate for decades. So decadal periods when temperature went up or down can be cherry picked to support either argument. But what that reveals is that the whole ‘CO2 driven global warming’ period from 1975-2005 just happened to coincide with the positive phase of the ~60 year oceanic cycle. Until that oscillation is subtracted out from the longterm temperature trend, we shouldn’t trust any estimate of climate sensitivity.

[Anonymous No.12284501]

>>12279716
>Well, we were super fucked at least 3 times in the 80s from what I remember when I grew up, then 4+ times in the 90s, the noughties were no different, the tens much the same
Source?

[Anonymous No.12284546]

>>12276257
This post is worse than actually being on reddit.

[Anonymous No.12284590]

>>12282794
Imagine being so retarded that you thought atmospheric CO2 was -80 C

[Anonymous No.12284710]

>>12282794
>Warming of the atmosphere due to internal variability, ocean oscillations
Too weak and doesn't have a long term trend.

>cloud cover changes
Mostly determined by temperature.

>solar amplification mechanisms
Too weak and doesn't have a long term trend.

>secondarily warm the CO2 in the atmosphere increasing the 15 micron IR radiation observed from increased levels of CO2.
Incorrect. The greenhouse effect doesn't increase from increased heat, it increases from increased greenhouse gases.

>Per the second law of thermodynamics, a low temperature/frequency/energy body at -80C cannot warm a higher temperature/frequency/energy body at 15C (Earth).
This is like saying a blanket cannot keep you warm because of the 2nd law. Are you retarded? The Sun warms the Earth, the Earth radiates almost all the energy back into space. The more greenhouse gases, the less heat escapes to space. The second law does not stop CO2 from emitting heat in any direction, including back towards the Earth, it simply means that more heat has to leave Earth than is kept there.

>Increased CO2 facilitates loss of outgoing IR radiation to space
This is meaningless since the shortwave feedbacks can dwarf ocean heat uptake. You're acting as if the greenhouse effect exists in a vacuum and is the only factor effecting OLR. Are you just parroting shit you read on some blog?

>So decadal periods when temperature went up or down can be cherry picked to support either argument.
Or you could not cherrypick and look at the long term trend. Or you could not look at correlations at all and directly observe causative mechanisms, as I've anyway shown you. Nice strawman.

>Until that oscillation is subtracted out from the longterm temperature trend, we shouldn’t trust any estimate of climate sensitivity.
First show that it hasn't and needs to be.

[Anonymous No.12284745]

>>12282732
Adjustments aren't manipulations.

http://berkeleyearth.org/archive/understanding-adjustments-temperature-data/

A manipulation would be using knowingly flawed data because you like what it shows.

A manipulation would be cherrypicking US data instead of global data to make it seem like adjustments are biased.

A manipulation would be taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting them.

A manipulation would be presenting old satellite datasets with known flaws from decaying orbits as if it's correct.

A manipulation would be averaging balloon and satellite datasets that don't agree with each other.

[Anonymous No.12284909]

>>12280282
Is this a copypasta? I have seen this exact post multiple times on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.12284925]

>>12275946
We just need to use the excess atmospheric co2 to 3d print a space elevator out of carbon nanotubes. Build an orbital solar power grid and pipe endless energy back down to earth. Use all the carbon in the atomosphere to build orbital megastructures and begin plans to colonize the solar system and expand our population to 1 trillion. We can build space elevators on the gas planets and pipe greenhouse gasses into space, and launch them at the barren moons and planets in our solar system to terraform them. Then we start building generation ships and send our trillion humans to ten thousand star systems.

[Anonymous No.12285156]

>>12284745
It has been proved beyond doubt, that your agw ipcc clique of scientists manipulate data. The best example is michael e. mann's hockey stick chart that shows no medieval warming period, when the greenland ice core data record, the best proxy we have for temperatures in the past clearly shows a medieval warm period that was warmer than today. Not to mention that michael e. mann willingly chose to lose a lawsuit worth millions just because he didn't want to publish the data he used to construct the hockey stick chart.

[Anonymous No.12285184]

>>12275946
What do you mean anon? Remember when the glaciers melted in early 2012 raising the sea levels and causing a climate refugee crisis, destroying all major coastal cities? Society collapsed anon remember?
Let me go buy gasoline at $36.35 a gallon, remember we hit peak oil, to come show you how fucked we are.

[Anonymous No.12285195]

>>12279565
>le reddit face here

[Anonymous No.12285198]

>>12282166
This he had no idea about statistics, math modelling, science in general...
Go watch his powerpoint movie in 2020 and see how well it held up. I'll save you the time, it held up terribly.

[Anonymous No.12286471]

>>12285156
>The best example is michael e. mann's hockey stick chart that shows no medieval warming period, when the greenland ice core data record, the best proxy we have for temperatures in the past clearly shows a medieval warm period that was warmer than today.
This is the best example you have? Then you have zero evidence. The Greenland ice core shows temperate in a single place in Greenland. It doesn't represent the entire globe. So to say that it contradicts a global reconstruction is complete nonsense. Further, Mann's reconstruction has been replicated many times, even with more data and modern reconstruction techniques.

>Not to mention that michael e. mann willingly chose to lose a lawsuit worth millions just because he didn't want to publish the data he used to construct the hockey stick chart.
The data and code has been publicly available for over a decade:

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/research/MANNETAL98/

Thank you for illustrating you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.12286492]

>>12285184
>Remember when the glaciers melted in early 2012 raising the sea levels and causing a climate refugee crisis, destroying all major coastal cities?
You mean like a movie? Who said this would happen?

[Anonymous No.12286511]

>>12277349
Global instrumentation only began a century ago. Data before thermometer is unreliable and subject to interpretation.

[Anonymous No.12287546]

>>12286511
>Data before thermometer is unreliable
Source?

>subject to interpretation.
So is everything.

[Anonymous No.12288233]

>>12275974
>he believes the boomer psyops about climate change
we're all fucked faggot, stop coping and wake up to reality.

[Anonymous No.12288251]

>>12277168
I want this to happen so bad, I don't give a single fuck about climate all I want is chaos

[Anonymous No.12288253]

this thread is full of brainwashed polfaggots as always, retarded children in denial about everything who think being contrarian about everything makes them better than others. climate change is really really bad, its exceeding worst case scenarios every year and will only get worse as retarded people will continue to deny until we starve to death. the best you can do is go offgrid and learn how to survive, stock up on food etc. get into buddhism and learn to cope with the brief and meaningless nature of our existence.

[Anonymous No.12288555]

>>12288253
yep

[Anonymous No.12288608]

>>12276016
Your brain is very very full and unimpressive if you think every government doesn't know this and is just waiting for the right time to shut down oil companies in order to let the true limitless money potential of solar and wind reign supreme.

[Anonymous No.12289046]

>>12286492
I think the anon is referring to pic related, there are many articles like that, how humanity will be decimated by the ozone hole, a mini ice age, the rise of the seas, etc, they are from a couple of decades back, not from today.

[Anonymous No.12289051]

>>12275946
Thoroughly. At this point all research should focus on practical mitigation strategies and maybe some day reversing the damage via geoengineering.

[Anonymous No.12289116]

>>12288253
making a leap from the climate changing marginally to everybody starving to death is actual peak retardation anon

[Anonymous No.12289132]

>>12289116
>changing marginally
+2C/450ppm is not "marginally" it's a tipping point where subtropics (lat 23...40) start losing annual rainfall in a big way. 450ppm will happen around 2030. Expect rain to reduce by 50-75%.

[Anonymous No.12289133]

>>12289132
>450ppm will happen around 2030. Expect rain to reduce by 50-75%.
got a source for that? im genuinely interested.

[Anonymous No.12289232]

>>12276927
you are american, arent you?

[Anonymous No.12289234]

>>12286511
except it is the opposite

[Anonymous No.12289238]

>>12289116
extreme conditions will influence the food supply; and its also well known that retardation and denial dont support the growth process of a plant

[Anonymous No.12289272]

>>12289046
The article is referring to predictions of what will happen in 2100.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nations-vanish-global-warming/

[Anonymous No.12289281]

>>12289272
>a fact cheking site
are you fucking joking right? what's next, buzzfeed and salon ?

[Anonymous No.12289289]

>>12275946
not very

[Anonymous No.12289306]

>>12275946
Climate Change is not a existential threat. Remember the jurassic age was 10-15 degrees hotter with 5 times the degree of CO2 than today. No ice on the poles but Dinosaurs still roamed the place.
Climate Change will cause social disruption and mass refugees because of the changing habitation zone.
With promising developments in fusion power, superconductor batteries and solar energy we will be able to design weather to our benefit.

[Anonymous No.12289313]

>>12289281
>a retarded anon
What's next reddit and facebook?

[Anonymous No.12289320]

>>12289306
>Remember the jurassic age was 10-15 degrees hotter with 5 times the degree of CO2 than today.
Yes, which was no problem for the species that evolved to live in that climate, which doesn't include humans. The problem is not simply how hot it is. The problem is that the climate is rapidly changing without enough time for life to adapt without suffering major damage. If you want to talk about the past then look at what occured during times of rapid climate change. I'll give you a hint: mass extinctions.

[Anonymous No.12289322]

>>12289281
>NO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO FACTCHECK ME, EVERYTHING I SAY MUST BE ACCEPTED

[Anonymous No.12289327]

>>12286511
The instrumental record alone shows the climate changing, so I'm not sure what your point is.

[Anonymous No.12289328]

>>12289320
Humans can adapt to a changing climate, we survived the death of the saharan forest and the ice age, we will survive the worst prospects of climate change. Russia and Canada will be winners of climate change, while other developed countries can utilize technology to stem the worst. Still I agree that we should slow down and halt the change or even reverse the process, so that it won`t cause any greater social disruption.

[Anonymous No.12289338]

>>12289328
>Humans can adapt to a changing climate
I didn't say we can't, I said we can't without suffering major damage. The best way to "adapt" would be to mitigate it, but for some reason that type of adaption isn't OK.

>we survived the death of the saharan forest and the ice age
You can survive a lot of things, that doesn't mean you want to go through them.

[Anonymous No.12289345]

>>12288608
>solar and wind
>limitless

Everything requires resources.

[Anonymous No.12289355]

Reminder: we are at stage 4 of this earth cancer called global warming. The best thing we can do is to accept it, find ways to accelerate it even more and make sure there are enough morphine shots available for the few poor souls who will make it to 2050.

Repeat after me: climate change / global warming is unironically a good thing.

[Anonymous No.12289360]

Will climate change make my skin darker? That scares the shit out of me.

[Anonymous No.12289530]

>>12279705
Christ, the US really is prime real estate.

[Anonymous No.12290884]

>>12275946
Totally

[Anonymous No.12290898]

>>12275946
we fucked. capitalism is the problem

[Anonymous No.12290954]

>>12278228
>>12278766
>>12279565
>>12288555
>>12288253
>>12289051
>>12290884
>>12290898
>we are fucked. nothing to do but die.
thank god you angry virgins arent in charge of renewable energy programs (or anything at all)

[Anonymous No.12291947]

>>12286471
no,no thank you for showing everybody in here that you are a shill, and seriously what kind of low life do you have to be to to willingly be a slave of the elite? I bet in your deranged heads you think you are saving the world and doing something good for society, that the lies you are spreading are necessary and for the good of humanity. Pathetic slave.

https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/


The Greenland ice core data record is the 'gold standard' of quantitative paleo-temperature measurements with thousands of accurately dated analyses covering many thousands of years, there is nothing better. But regardless of that there are many other proxies that show a medieval warm period, but it always boils down to the same problem how honest and unbiased are the scientist making the study? Are they actually interested in truth or are they whores of the elite like the ipcc clique of scientists. We already know that data manipulation is happening thanks to the climategate emails: https://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/docLib/20100111_PB2202Climategate.pdf, but also because the data gets constantly adjusted without valid reasons.


michael mann lost his lawsuit because he didn't wan't to publish his data. Because then everybody would know that he willingly manipulated the data. All he had to do is publish the data in question to win the lawsuit (if the hockey stick graph was true) but he repeatedly failed to do so.

“The Court Threw Out Mann’s Case Because He Failed To Provide Any Evidence To Support His Claims. The Specific Data He Claims He Presented Was Not Presented. The Court Also Agreed With Us That Mann Had Had From 2011 To Make His Case And Failed To Do So. In Fact, We Had A Trial Date Scheduled For February 20, 2017 But Mann Postponed The Trial And We Heard Nothing From Him Since.”
[Dr Tim Ball, Sept 06, 2019]

[Anonymous No.12291955]

>>12278228
>>12278766
>>12278766
>>12279565
>>12288253
>>12290898

le reddit face has arrived

[Anonymous No.12291957]

>>12289272

>snopes

[Anonymous No.12291968]

>>12291947
>Because then everybody would know that he willingly manipulated the data.
Last I checked multiple investigations found no evidence of manipulation. If you want to claim the investigations are wrong, whose word should we take? Some anonymous internet schizo or the backing of practically all of academia. You're just trying to play semantics, refute the main claim of global warming.

[Anonymous No.12292067]

>>12291968
For the millionth time, he didn't publish all of his data, that's a fact, everyone can go and look for themselves how the court case went, how can investigations make actual investigations, without all the data? You really show a lack of logical reasoning ability, all michael mann had to do is publish his data, the process lasted more or less 10 years, in 10 years he didn't publish his data that is supposed to be 'settled science' and instead would rather lose millions of dollars in his libel suit than allow anyone to verify that his hidden numbers are the smoking gun for intentional fraud.

[Anonymous No.12292096]

>>12292067
What are you even talking about? The court case's topic wasn't even on the science itself, it's was exclusively about libel. The data is completely irrelevant, it was already found to be untampered by the uni. The question is if the defendant was committing libel knowing the information AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC at the time anon. Not publishing all the data publicly is an absurd reason to believe in conspiracy anyway, if every study published every single dataset, there wouldn't be enough server storage in the world to hold all that.

[Anonymous No.12292108]

>>12291955
>>12291957
fuck off back to >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.12292122]

>>12292096
yeah and to find out if it was libel and since what was said was said because of michael mann's hockey stick, mann had to publish the data and he didn't, which is why he has to pay the cost of the lawsuit because lost. Again you show a serious lack of logical reasoning ability. And in science if you actually are a honest scientist you publish ALL of your data, otherwise everyone can claim anything like mann did and there is no point to science anymore.

[Anonymous No.12292144]

>>12292122
>mann had to publish the data
No, he didn't
>if you actually are a honest scientist you publish ALL of your data
No, you don't

Mann published the "hockey stick" graph, conservatards called him a liar, uni investigates, finds no tampering or lying. All of this is irrelevant to global warming, it's happening, the hockey stick accurately reflects the measurements, it's been replicated multiple times, case closed. The libel case you keep bringing up is just there to distract from the actual issue and just draw up false criticism tangential to the topic.

[Anonymous No.12292168]

>>12292144
>if you actually are a honest scientist you publish ALL of your data
No, you don't

lol, you just lost the little credibility you had.

>Mann published the "hockey stick" graph, conservatards called him a liar, uni investigates, finds no tampering or lying. All of this is irrelevant to global warming, it's happening, the hockey stick accurately reflects the measurements, it's been replicated multiple times, case closed. The libel case you keep bringing up is just there to distract from the actual issue and just draw up false criticism tangential to the topic.

yadayadayda someone please give this man an oscar, lol

Again he didn't publish all of his data, no investigation can be serious without all the data, the hockey stick has been debunked due to faulty methodology by agw skeptic scientists and even non agw skeptic scientists agree even before the process was over, the medieval warm period did happen and it was global as shown by numerous studies using different proxies, and it just shows how narrow-minded and primitive you are if you think this is a left or right matter, this is about scientific integrity and truth.

[Anonymous No.12292417]

[Anonymous No.12294140]

>>12275946
>climate change
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.12294330]

>>12289320
humans don't live in the environments we evolved in period. why do you think we wear clothes? the only people who are living in humans natural habitat are nigger tribes in africa.

>mass extinction

yeah mass extinction of species that don't adapt to changing conditions, and the emergence of a whole host of new species that do, its literally evolution doing it's job correctly.

>but but muh polar bears

no one gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.12294335]

>>12289328
its time for palm trees to return to ontario and the ice age to be lifted, I unironically can't wait.

[Anonymous No.12294960]

>>12277168
lol the frames of that gif synchronised with my clock's ticking

[Anonymous No.12295086]

[Anonymous No.12295099]

>>12275974
Mong

[Anonymous No.12295141]

>>12279565
>Plainly obvious
The greenhouse effect in general is plainly obvious, but the actual impact on global climate is not. Outside of the actual climate science community, nobody has the slightest clue about how the numerous doomsday predictions by climate scientist correspond to reality. That would require a public understanding of the techniques and methods used in drawing these conclusions. Unfortunately scientific communication in the climate science community is mostly licking the taint of Democrats in the hopes of plentiful gibs.

You can have higher daily temperatures, more severe weather, and gradual sea level rise without an apocalypse. Sea level rise imo is one of the more blown out of proportion ones. If sea level rise will take longer than the lifespan of a typical building, then new developments will spring up further from the coast and buildings near end of life will be left to be taken by the sea. Consequently, I really doubt the trillion dollar figures given for the economic impact of sea level rise. The same can be said for claims that we'll have megadroughts that'll result in mass famines. Rainfall patterns will shift and farms may have to move, but elevated temperatures means more rainfall in total and not less, arable land will likely be replaced as much as it vanishes.

Perhaps the clathrate gun thing ends up being true, but even then it has to fight against the relatively short methane half life and any other effects that will likely buffer it. Perhaps if I knew more about it I might think differently, but those that should be informing people appear to despise those that they hope to persuade. I've never seen a real attempt by climate scientists to convince the general public that they should be trusted. Perhaps if ivory tower grifters didn't despise those they hope to persuade then they'd have a bit more credibility in the public eye.

[Anonymous No.12295540]

>>12291947
>no,no thank you for showing everybody in here that you are a shill, and seriously what kind of low life do you have to be to to willingly be a slave of the elite?
Oil company execs are not the elite? Before spouting your schizo accusations look in the mirror. Doesn't matter how many times you whine about it, the scientific evidence speaks for itself.

>The Greenland ice core data record is the 'gold standard' of quantitative paleo-temperature measurements with thousands of accurately dated analyses covering many thousands of years, there is nothing better.
OK, how is this supposed to show that it represents the global average? Hello? Is there anyone in there?

>But regardless of that there are many other proxies that show a medieval warm period
Yes, and there are many proxies that show a cool period during that time. The global average shows that it was a largely local phenomenon, not global like current warming. Are you actually going to respond to anything I said or are you just going to feebly avoid the point?

>We already know that data manipulation is happening thanks to the climategate emails
The climategate emails are a nothing-burger. Pick a quote you think shows data manipulation and I'll show you how you're misrepresenting it.

>but also because the data gets constantly adjusted without valid reasons.
Wrong.

https://www.judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

>michael mann lost his lawsuit because he didn't wan't to publish his data.
I already showed you his data has been publicly available for years, are you going to respond or just keep repeating your disproven claim?

[Anonymous No.12295542]

>>12291957
>retarded anon

[Anonymous No.12295545]

>>12292067
>For the millionth time, he didn't publish all of his data,
I already gave you a link to all the data. Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.12295549]

>>12292168
>, the hockey stick has been debunked due to faulty methodology by agw skeptic scientists and even non agw skeptic scientists agree even before the process was over,
Source?

>the medieval warm period did happen and it was global as shown by numerous studies using different proxies
Which ones? And you yet again failed to respond to the fact that the "hockey stick" has been replicated numerous times, showing the MWP was not globally significant.

>and it just shows how narrow-minded and primitive you are if you think this is a left or right matter, this is about scientific integrity and truth.
Major projection. The only reason you deny the scientific facts is because they are politically inconvenient for you.

[Anonymous No.12295559]

>>12294330
>humans don't live in the environments we evolved in period.
Sure we do. We're in the same ice age we've been in since humanity began.

>why do you think we wear clothes?
Because they are convenient? What is your point? If early humans had clothes they would wear them. And they did. You're not responding to the fact that life gets damaged when rapid changes in climate occur.

>yeah mass extinction of species that don't adapt to changing conditions, and the emergence of a whole host of new species that do, its literally evolution doing it's job correctly.
That's nice for evolution, not nice for us. You're basically saying humans will survive so everything's OK. Humans are concerned with more than just survival. You can get punched in the face and survive, that doesn't mean you should want to get punched in the face.

>>but but muh polar bears
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.12295560]

>>12295141
Ignorance is not an excuse for denial.

[Anonymous No.12296174]

why don't shills like this video?
https://youtu.be/huKY5DzrcLI [Embed]

[Anonymous No.12296221]

>>12295545
And i have already addressed that, it's not my fault you have difficulties with logical thinking.

[Anonymous No.12296239]

>>12275946
>How fucked are we?
A good question OP. Lets consider this logically. We can assume the outcome will fall into one of several scenarios:
1) Total Extinction. Wet bulb temperatures. Everything dies, except maybe some thermophilic bacteria. Sun dies before sentient life evolves again.
2) Major extinction. Many species die but enough survive to maintain complex ecosystems. Humans go extinct.
3) Minor extinction. Lots of species die but some survive, including humans.

Obviously we do not concern ourselves with the first and second scenarios. If it happens then it happens. It will no longer concern us anyway. The third scenario is problematic. The question then becomes in what state humans survive. Possibly as high tech enclaves of greatly reduced population. Or possibly as subsistence level tribes who have lost their knowledge base. In either case, or any in between, the outlook is grim for leaving the planet, since the energy reserves and industrial base necessary for space exploration have already been squandered.

Taking the third case scenario then: So as far as becoming Star trek, we are badly fucked. Without any lube. Find a leather thong to bite down upon. However if the idea of roaming free in a sort of 19th century bliss appeals to you, or living under a dome with a VR brain chip implanted sounds good, then its not so bad. More of a long gentle fuck with lots and lots of lube.

[Anonymous No.12296243]

>>12275946
If you live in a wealthy country with ample territory in northern latitudes (which conveniently happens to be most wealthy countries lmao) things will be fine. Canada and Siberia will be the new breadbasket.

[Anonymous No.12296252]

>>12295549
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

https://www.technologyreview.com/2004/10/15/274740/global-warming-bombshell/

>Major projection. The only reason you deny the scientific facts is because they are politically inconvenient for you.

I don't deny scientific facts, in fact i don't believe in AGW because that's what the science shows, unfortunately the average AGW believer is a zealot not really understanding the science and the rest are sellouts, so basically zealots and sellouts what a dream team.

[Anonymous No.12296383]

>>12296221
You didn't, you just ignored it. Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.12296475]

>>12295540
>OK, how is this supposed to show that it represents the global average? Hello? Is there anyone in there?

The Greenland ice core data record is the 'gold standard' of quantitative paleo-temperature measurements with thousands of accurately dated analyses covering many thousands of years, there is nothing better. But regardless of that there are many other proxies that show a medieval warm period, but it always boils down to the same problem how honest and unbiased are the scientist making the study? Are they actually interested in truth or are they whores of the elite like the ipcc clique of scientists. We already know that data manipulation is happening thanks to the climategate emails: https://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/docLib/20100111_PB2202Climategate.pdf, but also because the data gets constantly adjusted without valid reasons.

>The climategate emails are a nothing-burger. Pick a quote you think shows data manipulation and I'll show you how you're misrepresenting it.

i guess everyone will have to decide for them selves by reading the pdf. I don't need your misrepresentation of the climate gate e-mails, the matter to me is clear, agw scientists manipulate data to make the present look warmer and the past cooler to fit the narrative.

>I already showed you his data has been publicly available for years, are you going to respond or just keep repeating your disproven claim?

He didn't publish all of his data, that's a fact, everyone can go and look for themselves how the court case went, how can investigations make actual investigations, without all the data? You really show a lack of logical reasoning ability, all michael mann had to do is publish his data, the process lasted more or less 10 years, in 10 years he didn't publish his data that is supposed to be 'settled science' and instead would rather lose millions of dollars in his libel suit than allow anyone to verify that his hidden numbers are the smoking gun for intentional fraud.

[Anonymous No.12296480]

>>12295540
>but also because the data gets constantly adjusted without valid reasons.
Wrong.

https://www.judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/


Lol, it's the same judith who said this:

"She reserves her harshest criticism for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). For most climate scientists the major reports issued by the United Nations–sponsored body every five years or so constitute the consensus on climate science. Few scientists would claim the IPCC is perfect, but Curry thinks it needs thoroughgoing reform. She accuses it of "corruption." "I'm not going to just spout off and endorse the IPCC," she says, "because I think I don't have confidence in the process."

"The uncertainty lies in both the data about past climate and the models that project future climate. Curry asserts that scientists haven't adequately dealt with the uncertainty in their calculations and don't even know with precision what's arguably the most basic number in the field: the climate forcing from CO2—that is, the amount of warming a doubling of CO2 alone would cause without any amplifying or mitigating effects from melting ice, increased water vapor or any of a dozen other factors."

also the problem is not making adjustments sometimes they are needed, the problem is when mysteriously sites, that seem to be preferentially in rural areas, much less likely to be susceptible to the Urban Heat Island effect, get shut down, skewing remaining data towards warmer average temperature readings and then in response to this criticism the United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN), part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA),fabricates data to “replace” that missing data, and then they call it "adjustment".

[Anonymous No.12296515]

>>12296252
Funny how you call me a shill and then post a list full of literal oil company shills.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysing-the-900-papers-supporting-climate-scepticism-9-out-of-top-10-authors-linked-to-exxonmobil

https://www.carbonbrief.org/using-our-paper-to-support-skepticism-of-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-misleading-part-ii-of-our-analysis-of-the-900-climate-skeptic-papers

https://www.carbonbrief.org/energy-and-environment-journal-of-choice-for-climate-skeptics-analysing-the-900-skeptic-papers-part-iii

>https://www.technologyreview.com/2004/10/15/274740/global-warming-bombshell/
This is citing McIntyre and McKitrick a paper that was itself thoroughly refuted: https://web.archive.org/web/20130124033049/http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/Wahl_ClimChange2007.pdf

Anything else?

>in fact i don't believe in AGW because that's what the science shows
It's directly observable:
https://escholarship.org/content/qt3428v1r6/qt3428v1r6_noSplash_b5903aebfe105b4071103e11197138f8.pdf

You're in denial of basic facts with mountains of scientific evidence and you're desperately grasping straws by citing blogs and fringe figures, while projecting your incompetence and bad faith onto others.

[Anonymous No.12296532]

>>12296475
>The Greenland ice core data record is the 'gold standard' of quantitative paleo-temperature measurements with thousands of accurately dated analyses covering many thousands of years, there is nothing better.
OK, how is this supposed to show that it represents the global average? Hello? Is there anyone in there?

>But regardless of that there are many other proxies that show a medieval warm period
Yes, and there are many proxies that show a cool period during that time. The global average shows that it was a largely local phenomenon, not global like current warming. Are you actually going to respond to anything I said or are you just going to feebly avoid the point?

>We already know that data manipulation is happening thanks to the climategate emails
The climategate emails are a nothing-burger. Pick a quote you think shows data manipulation and I'll show you how you're misrepresenting it.

>but also because the data gets constantly adjusted without valid reasons.
Wrong.

https://www.judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

>i guess everyone will have to decide for them selves by reading the pdf.
So you can't even provide one example that you think shows data manipulation? It sounds like you don't actually know what you're talking about.

>He didn't publish all of his data, that's a fact
He did, what data is missing? In order to be a "fact" you actually have to provide evidence.

>all michael mann had to do is publish his data
He did, so clearly your understanding is flawed. Care to actually put forth an argument instead of repeating claims that were already disproved?

[Anonymous No.12296562]

>>12296480
>Lol, it's the same judith who said this:
The article is written by Zeke Hausfather, not Judith Curry. What is your point?

>also the problem is not making adjustments
Then why is >>12282732 calling all adjustments manipulation?

>the problem is when mysteriously sites, that seem to be preferentially in rural areas, much less likely to be susceptible to the Urban Heat Island effect, get shut down, skewing remaining data towards warmer average temperature readings and then in response to this criticism the United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN), part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA),fabricates data to “replace” that missing data, and then they call it "adjustment".
Which sites mysteriously shut down? If you only want to look at rural stations you can, they show the same trend:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2012JD018509

[Anonymous No.12296678]

>>12295560
That's a religious statement if I've ever heard one. It is not my job to persuade myself to your side. I've listened to what's been said; I just haven't dug through the literature myself because I don't find the material particularly interesting and spend my time and attention span on things that I do actually care about. Once again though, I don't doubt the principles, but I do doubt the predictions of societal consequences. Things will get warmer, some species will die, sea level will slowly rise when as ocean temperatures increase and land ice melts. However, selectively ignoring the capacity of people to adapt in the century or two it'll take to get more severe leads to doomsday predictions that seem to be absolute nonsense at their face.

All of science is highly domain specific. The operating principle to keep most people sane is faith in peer review and respect for other scientists. However, when advocating for dismantling industry and causing extreme economic damage to avoid perceived future consequences, the burden of proof is necessarily higher than "lol dude trust me."

[Anonymous No.12296699]

>>12296678
If you want to discuss a topic then it certainly is your job to inform yourself about it. Saying you feel the experts are wrong is a pointless post. You claim they are ignoring things without even looking at what they're saying. You can't complain about burden of proof while deliberately ignoring the proof.

[Anonymous No.12296864]

>>12296699
Typically the response to someone saying they are unconvinced that x, y, and z will happen would warrant a response trying to convince them by saying "this is what I think will happen, here is why." If you truly believe that I'm supposed to have a full accounting of your arguments before engaging with you, then you will never convince anyone of anything. The layman should always be your target audience if you're attempting to enact societal change that directly affects their lives. That is a failure solely on your part.

[Anonymous No.12296957]

>>12296864
>Typically the response to someone saying they are unconvinced that x, y, and z will happen
You just said you doubt "societal consequences." OK here you go:

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/02/SR15_Chapter3_Low_Res.pdf

I don't expect you to come up with arguments, I expect you to know what you're talking about. It's not my fault you don't. This means that you should either know what you're talking about or not talk about what you don't know. Your choice, not mine.

[Anonymous No.12296964]

>>12275946
Very. Normies can't into feedback loops.
https://twitter.com/ClimateBen/status/1322843761207115786

[Anonymous No.12296970]

>>12277168
This, water wars hours by 2060.

[Anonymous No.12296986]

climate change isn't something that will happen its something that has already happened/happening and literally nobody even notices. That's the extent of climate change.

[Anonymous No.12296988]

>90% of the world's population breathes air so polluted it raises the risk of developing dementia

[Anonymous No.12297000]

>>12296986
Scientists noticed.

[Anonymous No.12297005]

>>12290898
why are so many people willing to believe anything to avoid accepting this simple truth?

[Anonymous No.12297007]

there's no such thing as a """climate""" , the idea was made up by think tanks to sell you votes and by hallmark to sell you cards

[Anonymous No.12297028]

>>12297007
There's no such thing as a "board," it's an idea made up by Japs to sell ads.

[Anonymous No.12297054]

>>12297028
now you're getting it

[Anonymous No.12297828]

>>12296532
damn that guy got destroyed, literally couldn't respond to a single one of your points.

[Anonymous No.12298192]

>>12279704
Umm... hello based department?

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[Anonymous No.12299130]

>>12275946
>How fucked are we?
With mitigation: With no lube
Without mitigation: Again with no lube but at least it will be over faster.

[Anonymous No.12299137]

>>12296243
>Canada and Siberia will be the new breadbasket.
..and they all lived happily ever after.

[Anonymous No.12300211]

>>12299119
>0ad to 2000ad.

now zoom your graph out 20,000 years or ideally more. Climate change is propaganda, yes it is real but its not particulary interesting or worrying, its very much like covid in that sense. Stop listening to media, it is 100% propaganda designed to unjustifiably panic and scare you, think for yourself.

[Anonymous No.12300218]

>>12299130
I like you're thinking

[Anonymous No.12300376]

>>12279705
And people claim Africa has it easy.

[Anonymous No.12300518]

>>12280018
What country?

[Anonymous No.12300895]

>>12300211
>now zoom your graph out 20,000 years or ideally more.
Why?

>Climate change is propaganda, yes it is real but its not particulary interesting or worrying
Why not?

>Stop listening to media, it is 100% propaganda designed to unjustifiably panic and scare you, think for yourself.
Why should we listen to you?

[Anonymous No.12300949]

>>12275946
Pretty fucked.

[Anonymous No.12301302]

Anyone who says nothing will happen is an idiot.

To be honest, my greatest fear is the social upheaval that will come. Climate refugees and the bottomless pit of money that is repairing infrastructure and the damage caused by disasters, will dictate public spending and politics for decades to come. Let's not even begin with potential resource wars in the near future that could involve thermonuclear warfare (even a minor one is horrifying).
Things are going to be pretty bleak, even if the changing temperatures don't wipe us out.

[Anonymous No.12301392]

>>12275946
Super fucked.

Rain forests will pass their deforestation tipping point and degrade into savannah.
Megafauna and whole ecosystems will be functionally extinct in every biome; from Africa to Asia, South America, Antarctica…
Ocean acidification, coral bleaching, plastic pollution, chemical pollution, overfishing to the point of extinction….

But people mostly only care about what will happen to people: Low lying cities will be submerged in rising oceans (there are parts of southern Louisiana that have already been lost, but in 80 years cities like Miami will be completely flooded by the ocean.) This will cause a crisis of immigration around the world and will pollute marine ecosystems beyond recovery. Our productive growing areas will no longer be capable of producing their current crops due to permanent change in weather patterns; many places near the equator will be too hot to support life. So, we’ll be less able to grow food in general and there will not be enough fish in the oceans to sustain humanity anymore. Securing freshwater will be the most important thing to civilization. Fun Fact, the worlds best wine growing regions will be too hot to produce their wine… so buy it now while you can!

We've already lost control of things: in the next few years there will be no more sea Ice in the arctic – this amplifies warming because open ocean absorbs the sun’s heat whereas ice would reflect it. The warming is also thawing permafrost which contains enormous quantities of methane, a many times more potent greenhouse gas, causing runaway warming.

So even if you’re a human who has some food source and water source in a relatively politically stable part of the world… if you’re just breathing the planet’s air, it will be so full of CO2 that your brain will not be able to function normally, and you will be a dumber being.

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This is for those who are exposed to the march of climate change, the poor. The very rich will have enclaves of protected areas, connected with one another where they live more or less like they do now, but Moore’s law has really taken off, so they have at their disposal unbelievably advanced technology that the CO2 brainlet poor can’t comprehend so calls it magic. (Houellebecq’s The Possibility of an Island paints a good picture of this).

You reading this will experience the above. This will happen in our lifetimes.

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We are reaching the point of no return, it's been an honor lads.