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/sfg/ Spaceflight General Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:23:27 2020 No.12273868 [Reply] [Original]

Results Over Rhetoric Edition

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:26:49 2020 No.12273878 File: 2.45 MB, 1012x1816, 1603674603628.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy7GOO7Y96Y

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:27:46 2020 No.12273879 So what happened to that EM drive/reactionless drive/photon loop/whatever? Was it just a complete nothingburger or are they still working on it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:34:35 2020 No.12273896 >>12273879 One of the experimenters had a completely inadequate setup. The photon loop is still awaiting publication I think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:35:22 2020 No.12273899 File: 568 KB, 1597x896, spinlaunch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >when posters don't realize how little extra engineering is required to ensure even fairly complicated devices will survive extreme g-loads

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:41:41 2020 No.12273909 >>12273899 Can that method even actually get into orbit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:44:55 2020 No.12273917 >>12273909 It's for air launch type rockets. It's supersonic and in the stratosphere by the time the engine lights so you're fighting less wind resistance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:44:55 2020 No.12273918 >>12273909 No, it's only a 2300m/s boost.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 22:58:04 2020 No.12273946 >oh no it looks like we had some trouble with the flyback booster controls and it landed on senator shelbys house >this is so sad, can we get an F in chat?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:05:04 2020 No.12273954 >>12273878 And here comes the paid political spam, right on schedule. Can't wait till after the election for these bots to go away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:10:27 2020 No.12273961 File: 25 KB, 530x298, 1603417492046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If dubs then SN8 performs flawlessly on its first flight

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:11:43 2020 No.12273963 >>12273878 >why do y'all climb mountains "Many years ago, the great British explorer, George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, because it there." -JFK at Rice University, 1962

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:12:12 2020 No.12273965 >>12273909 >>12273917 >>12273918 It has an engine as a "second" stage. It would work great on the moon though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:12:28 2020 No.12273966 >>12273954 Do not respond to those people. That need (you)s. If they don't get (you) s they leave. Just report and do something else like reading marspedia

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:13:25 2020 No.12273967 >>12273954 >implying you need to be paid to hate niggers on 4chan Ogey

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:14:33 2020 No.12273968 >>12273966 >report anyone you don't like this isn't reddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:16:40 2020 No.12273973 File: 62 KB, 426x364, 1601856710651.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12273961 Is there an ETA on the SN8 hop?

Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:16:46 2020 No.12273974

>>12273899
If the 11k g's didn't tear your vehicle apart good news, the instantaneous transition from near-vacuum to sea level atmosphere while traveling at >2km/s will
>>12273965
Just as easy to make a more gradually accelerating track on the moon to do the same job, no specialty engineering of rockets/payloads required

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:19:47 2020 No.12273984 >>12273973 November 15th is my guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:25:25 2020 No.12273992 >>12273946 >people in chat type "F-1B" instead >a pair of eagles named "high thrust first stages" and "propellant depots" swoop down and eat oldspace's livers >and everyone clapped

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:32:54 2020 No.12274001 >>12273973 Static fire is supposed to happen 28-30th. Assuming that goes well, it could happen at any point. I'd expect ~1 week after, assuming the FAA gets the NOTAM out on time.

Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:35:23 2020 No.12274005

>>12273974
https://youtu.be/jt6ZaiWXitg?t=678
And you can get them going much faster. The original use was exposed to much more violent environments, it was devised as a way to optimize Robot Wars/Battlebot inertial ratios relative to mechanical complexity and capacity to inflict and sustain damage.
The SpinLaunch team has taken iphones up to full speed in a sled and everything still works at speed on the device. You're underestimating the durability of modern electronics.
>hitting atmo at high speed
That's what ablative heat shields are for.
>Long track on the moon
Fuck that, just make a good footer and fling shit. Do you have any idea how expensive it would be to survey and level that many km on the moon when excavators are going to be very uncommon there for many years? Not to mention the extra-abrasive regolith. It's much simpler to build a centrifuge on a base than a giant track, even with the technical headaches the centrifuge has.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:29:48 2020 No.12274103 I just noticed that this guy has already gone up on Shuttle and Soyuz, both to ISS, and now he's going up on Crew Dragon. I guess he's going to have to get on Starship one of these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ANiPYdmAw

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:41:05 2020 No.12274125 >>12274103 >I just noticed that this guy has already gone up on Shuttle and Soyuz, both to ISS, and now he's going up on Crew Dragon That's true of everyone that's flown on Dragon so far, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:51:33 2020 No.12274161 >>12274125 BobnDoug refused to learn to speak communist

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:00:48 2020 No.12274175 >>12273954 You can get paid?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:11:26 2020 No.12274197 File: 31 KB, 529x258, 5F1F4ABD-7464-4F1F-9E36-AB6BBAD8F062.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12274103

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:18:11 2020 No.12274213 >>12274197 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:21:21 2020 No.12274217 >>12274103 It is more than likely since Yusaku Maezawa has been trying to get him to join DearMoon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:23:19 2020 No.12274218 >>12274197 Seth Rogan is famous for being a fat dumb leftist dude bro. Why should we care?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:35:57 2020 No.12274235 >>12274197 Too bad Zubrin didn't pop this sucker's head off

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:37:58 2020 No.12274238
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Could you make a tourism starship like pic related?

It's for short trips so you can dedicate the payload to this giant aquarium window, but this shit would blow your mind and you wouldn't be missing much over commercial spacewalks

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 01:51:43 2020 No.12274263 Any updates in the last two days?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:04:31 2020 No.12274281 >>12274197 God I hate this fat fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:04:43 2020 No.12274282 >>12274263 Starship is cancelled. Boca Chica is gonna be sold off as a space themed amusement park.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:06:19 2020 No.12274285
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I have frequent recurring fantasies about nuclear war happening on Earth and killing almost everyone on it shortly after offworld colonies become self-sustainable, cleansing humanity of its most degenerate and corrupt elements. Of course, I'm somehow one of the ones that makes it to Mars and I get to enjoy this next step in humanity's development.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:10:51 2020 No.12274293 >>12274005 How are you gonna solve the fluid hammering caused when the materials of the propellant tanks and feed lines rebound after being strained under 11,000 gees? Protip, you aren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:12:51 2020 No.12274296 >>12274285 >not being willing to sacrifice yourself to ensure the betterment of humanity's continued existence

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:17:40 2020 No.12274299 File: 840 KB, 935x1080, 1499015699753.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12274282 Wheeeeeee!

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:21:23 2020 No.12274306

>>12274263
Elon died and SpaceX is being sold to Boeing. Mars is cancelled and Artemis has been defunded. Commercial Crew 2 has been cut. James Webb has been cut. Funding for both the ISS and Hubble have been redirected to black youth outreach in Minneapolis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:23:52 2020 No.12274311 >>12274296 >Giving a fuck about people who aren’t your personal friends or close blood relatives Something is wrong with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:29:20 2020 No.12274316 >>12274263 Blue Origin failed and is being sold to Nokia. Jeff Bezoz has been arrested and charged with sniffing feet

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:29:34 2020 No.12274317 >>12274306 I wish we could redirect the ISS itself to Minneapolis. Crashing it into the projects would solve a whole lot of problems.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:34:29 2020 No.12274325
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>hey texas titty twisters, jack beyer here with your weekly breathing excercises

Remember when NSF used to upload kino archival footage of spaceflight's past? What happened to them bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:36:30 2020 No.12274327 >>12274317 it wouldn't reach the ground.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:40:53 2020 No.12274332 >>12274325 NSF forums is weird. I don't know much about them but why do they have this air of superiority like some kind of cult?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:42:15 2020 No.12274336

>>12274325
I mean Starship outdoes anything from spaceflight's past, be it size or capability or cost or performance- everything. And it's being done at lightspeed so updates can happen by the day. There's a reason they aren't covering the SLS. We are watching a rocket on par with the Saturn V being built before our eyes and NSF is just cashing in on the nukino

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:43:15 2020 No.12274337 >>12274332 Instead of doing it for free, their jannies pay for the privilege. That reminds me, has anyone ever paid for L2? Is it worth it if you’re a space nerd?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:44:17 2020 No.12274339 >>12274311 nuke yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:47:21 2020 No.12274346 >>12274336 They can keep their hourly starship updates, i don't care. But I discovered them from their cool uploads of various spaceflight historical stuff they dug up from nasa records. cant remember the last time they uploaded anything like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:48:54 2020 No.12274349 >>12274339 There is zero advantage to feeling empathy for strangers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:49:21 2020 No.12274351 >>12274332 They make a new thread for fucking everything. And half the posts are people bitching that the other half are off topic. Nearly everyone that posts there is insufferable

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:50:25 2020 No.12274352 >>12274349 even as a soiboi libtard, i agree

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:50:27 2020 No.12274353 File: 305 KB, 2048x2048, Sk65d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12274238 Crew starship will already have a big ass window at nose of the ship

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:55:14 2020 No.12274361

>>12274353
Are there any good renders out there with an updated starship, with the 4 superheavy legs and updated fins? Neopurks stuff is accurate but looks kind of fake and has the big ass logos. It looks a LOT different than the ITS/BFR proposals now hahah

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:56:44 2020 No.12274365 >>12274353 I refuse to believe that bigass window is gonna end up on the initial iterations of crewed starship. It makes zero sense.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:58:13 2020 No.12274368
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>>12274351
That's any forum. Ephemeral imageboards with broad topics per board are better for discussion because it's more free flowing and you don't get caught up in years old meta drama between users nearly as often.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:01:37 2020 No.12274374 >>12274368 she is cute, wat is her name

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:03:41 2020 No.12274377 >>12274374 James Bridenstine

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:09:12 2020 No.12274382 >>12274374 Mtn Dew

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:09:16 2020 No.12274383 >>12274374 Mikan from Machikado Mazoku

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:13:40 2020 No.12274385 File: 156 KB, 633x548, 18 meter.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12274365 Here's your 18 meter bro. I agree the window looks like shit but it looks fine for the 9m variant

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:14:21 2020 No.12274386 >>12274374 Citrus

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:23:48 2020 No.12274399 >>12274365 >An observation window for viewing the majesty and beauty of Earth, the Moon, Mars and maybe venus makes no sense Low IQ bluepilled cucked oldspace logic, KYS

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:24:35 2020 No.12274400 >>12274399 I want to have sex in LOS of literally billions of people and I can't do that unless there's a big-ass window

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:27:20 2020 No.12274410 >>12274353 Yeah that is an aspirational window, there's nothing anywhere close to that in space let alone on the nose of a rocket

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:28:59 2020 No.12274412 >>12274399 >Dude SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS Things are not feasible because they are cool retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:33:35 2020 No.12274417 >>12274365 >>12274410 What the fuck are you idiots talking about? >no it can’t be done because I said so It’s a fucking window. It has the same strength (if not more) than the 4mm steel that makes up the rest of the damn rocket. Why is it impossible?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:36:01 2020 No.12274424 >>12274410 >>12274417 >no, it can't be done because it's NEVAH BEEN DONE BEFOAH

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:36:29 2020 No.12274425 >>12274417 because fraud liar musk is a hack grifter

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:36:55 2020 No.12274427 >>12274410 >>12274412 >An observation window isn't feasible It's easily the most feasible part of Starship lmao, it's just a big lattice window, similar to Cupola but a lot bigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:37:13 2020 No.12274428 >>12274425 Colored mask and his unicorn company strike again

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:39:19 2020 No.12274429 >>12274417 Windows in space are hard because of the thermal stresses of reentry and the risk of cascading failures from a small impact leading to total loss of the crew compartment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:41:34 2020 No.12274430 >>12274429 just close the doors to the big window room

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:43:43 2020 No.12274434

>>12274429
I am a bit worried about the dynamics of reentering with a window of that size, but as for the cascading effect problem - that’s not an issue with aerospace glass. It has tons of layers and peels/spreads out energy like a car windshield. It doesn’t blow out and send the crew flying in a huge decompression like the movies. And for all I know it can handle reentry fine? Idk about the thermal effects though that’s an interesting point

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:44:59 2020 No.12274436 >>12274434 im more worried how much weight it adds to the second stage. might cut into the 100 ton budget

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:55:10 2020 No.12274446 >>12274436 >caring about weight weak, if weight is an issue, make the rocket bigger, oldspace needs to die

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 03:56:58 2020 No.12274448 >>12274436 >might cut into the literal 100 ton budget pussy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 04:02:14 2020 No.12274453 >>12274448 Elon should use a mix of anvils and stuffed toy coyotes for the first crew Starship dummy payload.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 04:14:28 2020 No.12274464 >>12274436 this is why it wont happen. it weighs 50 tons

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 04:15:08 2020 No.12274465 >>12273954 >paid

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 04:30:37 2020 No.12274481 File: 760 KB, 4608x3456, index.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I SEE YOU

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 04:38:51 2020 No.12274489 >>12274464 Sounds like you still have a 50 ton budget for the actual people you are transporting. That should be enough for 50 americans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 05:26:11 2020 No.12274546 I’m all for religious freedom but Martian society should ban the religion of Marxism specifically

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 05:27:28 2020 No.12274548 >>12274546 how about Contolism

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 05:51:16 2020 No.12274594 File: 866 KB, 4288x2848, index.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw no chunko RCS system

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 07:21:18 2020 No.12274759 >>12274546 then you're not for religious freedom

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:07:08 2020 No.12274821 in 2018 BFR seemed to have a landing burn of ~40s, while 2019 Starship (w/ raptor kick) burned for under ~20s. Any chance they can shave it down more?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:13:00 2020 No.12274828

>>12274005
>That's what ablative heat shields are for.
A heat shield does precisely shitall for you here. It's not the heat transfer that's the problem, it's the sheer mechanical stresses experienced hitting pea soup at high speed. You know how max Q is the diciest time for any rocket? Well, multiple that by thousands of times and that's what this thing would experience.
>nooo you can't make a long track on the moon
Watch me sp*nner

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:42:39 2020 No.12274868 r/starlink claims a possible 7th reuse for the next launch, is there anything to it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:50:04 2020 No.12274876 >>12274868 why wouldn't it happen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:54:07 2020 No.12274884 >>12274876 they still have less worn boosters available, don't they

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:00:48 2020 No.12274891 >>12274884 Considering newer ones are still under investigation due to the turbopump fuckery, I'd say no. They really have no options other than to fly older boosters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:05:59 2020 No.12274901 >>12274464 a giant glass makes no sense. better to just have cameras and put screens on the inside.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:07:59 2020 No.12274903 >>12274546 > ban the religion of Marxism just dont allow jews on Mars problem solved

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:08:10 2020 No.12274904 >>12274901 t. soulless automaton

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:11:44 2020 No.12274909 >>12274901 kys camerafag

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:13:48 2020 No.12274912

>>12274464
ALON is a bit less than half the density of stainless, so no, it can be double the thickness of the stainless and still provide no excess mass compared to the unaltered ship. Constructing a piece that size would be the biggest hurdle, my guess is they'd do it in parts which explains the grid pattern.
>>12274901
soulless

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:25:41 2020 No.12274924 >>12274901 t. Geth

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:27:38 2020 No.12274925 >>12274901 DIE DIE DIE DIE

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:37:47 2020 No.12274932
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>>12274912
On top of that it would be a substantial expense, a pane (or multiple panes) of Alon that large would ballpark in the range of 680-700 square inches and assuming it's only the thickness of aquarium glass (this is where I found a reliable number for it's price) it would be somewhere in the range of half a million dollars. That being said considering how thick the armorglass on the ISS's cupola is, I doubt very much that hypothetical Alon windows would only a quarter inch thick. At four inches thick similar to the ISS cupola it will be more like eight million dollars. On top of that they will need a strong one-way glare resisting coating to prevent passengers from being blinded if the window should happen to end up pointed Sunward.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:45:33 2020 No.12274937

>>12274932
>I doubt very much that hypothetical Alon windows would only a quarter inch thick. At four inches thick similar to the ISS cupola
The only information I could find on ISS glass is that it's traditional bulletproof glass. For point of comparison:
>As a transparent armor material, ALON provides a bulletproof product with far less weight and thickness than traditional bulletproof glass. ... 1.6 inches (41 mm) thick ALON armor is capable of stopping . 50 BMG armor-piercing rounds, which can penetrate 3.7 inches (94 mm) of traditional glass laminate.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:46:27 2020 No.12274940
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>>12273868
Soyuz is such a cool ship and it got me thinking about how a neat alternate timeline would’ve been one in which NASA continues to fly Gemini as a small 2-man crew ferry alongside the shuttle (Think MOL but without the huge station attached). I think you could fit 3 people eventually in there if you squeeze them in like with Soyuz.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:52:28 2020 No.12274944

>>12274937
With this being the case, Alon windows could be 40% less thick, so you'd be looking at maybe four or five million dollars worth of Alon, assuming that large enough sheets can be manufactured with the current process. They will also require a strong sunshield finish to protect the eyesight of passengers but I have no idea how much extra this would cost.
I mean in the end cost shouldn't be spared where the mental health of the crew is concerned, but cost+manufacturing time+complexity will act as a bottleneck to the final Starship production speed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:53:35 2020 No.12274947 >>12274940 penis

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:54:19 2020 No.12274950 File: 249 KB, 928x1359, 1600075227672.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12273961 If trips, it fails on landing and they have to remake the pad

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:55:01 2020 No.12274951 >>12274901 >a sensible solution /sfg/ hates this

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:57:29 2020 No.12274953
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>>12274940
>I think you could fit 3 people eventually in there if you squeeze them in like with Soyuz.
Well the Soyuz was designed from the get-go to carry 3 while Gemini could barely fit 2 as it was. Though I do agree Gemini should have been kept around as the US's workhorse spacecraft

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:01:22 2020 No.12274959 >>12274953 Funny enough if Nick squeezed NASA just a bit more we could’ve seen Big G flying on a stubbier Saturn V instead of the shuttle

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:09:21 2020 No.12274972

>>12274944
>assuming that large enough sheets can be manufactured with the current process
Like I said I think the grid structure implies it isn't meant to be in one giant sheet, more likely it would be panes.
Additionally I think the ISS represents the upper limit, NASA likes to think they can make up for poor organizational standards with extra engineered safety factors plus the ISS has to tolerate indefinite exposure in the space equivalent of a high threat environment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:16:04 2020 No.12274979 >>12274944 if it costs more than a raptor engine to make a window pane, you can bet your ass SpaceX will find a cheaper way to make it in-house (if Elon really wants it)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:18:37 2020 No.12274982 >>12274979 window won't be on every rocket though. tanker and cargo variants won't have it. Crew might not even have one that big, probably just the first iteration / jap space tourism one will

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:18:59 2020 No.12274983

>>12274979
Elon is already doing ALON at Tesla so no way he's forced to sourcing it at market prices. That said that's not even expensive for a space vehicle, raptors are just stupid cheap. An extra cost of less than 10m on a 100-150t class launch vehicle is nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:22:12 2020 No.12274985 >>12274953 Why extending Gemini instead of Apollo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:27:13 2020 No.12274989 >>12274985 Gemini is based but also because no one really knows about Apollo’s use as an LEO ferry. No one ever seriously researched it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:27:47 2020 No.12274990 File: 112 KB, 1200x675, Orion_with_ATV_SM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12274985 Well, you got extending Apollo right now.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:27:54 2020 No.12274991

>>12274979
Honestly although I took some time to try and figure out cost, my primary concern with the window would be speed of manufacturing, Alon is five times more expensive than glass becuase it's substantially more time and energy consuming to make, as it requires a pressurized furnace to apply the correct fractions of oxygen and nitrogen to the aluminum at the correct times and at the correct pressure for it to come out as ALON alloy.
The specialized stuff like the windows, Raptor engines, life support systems, the speculative vernier rockets and common propellant RCS packs are probably going to form the manufacturing bottlenecks for Starship development. The tanks, legs, electrical systems, and fins are all easily mass-manufacturable, with a large enough factory you can churn them out by the hundreds of units as is done with other steel structures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:35:21 2020 No.12274997 File: 95 KB, 800x1324, 800px-Ariane_62_and_64.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guys, why is best girl Ariane so cute?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:36:22 2020 No.12274999 >>12274997 She's expensive and old fashioned

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:37:22 2020 No.12275000 >>12274903 You don't have to ban jews necessarily just handle it like Singapore does, make any talk of race or class warfare sedition

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:38:26 2020 No.12275001

>>12274991
The only thing that concerns me there is life support systems. ALON is in cybertruck and Tesla semi, which are due next year and Soon(tm) respectively, and will require much more than Starship production will; the ramp up is coming. Considering how fast raptor production is going just in the prototyping phase already I have no doubt in their ability to ramp that up. RCS engines are more of a question mark considering we haven't even seen one yet, but should be much less demanding than raptors so I'm not worried.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:38:35 2020 No.12275002 post space music https://youtu.be/DiB_kdiZ-R4

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:41:41 2020 No.12275007
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>>12274989
There was lots of research done into modifying Apollo as a 6-man LEO ferry, especially in the early days, but the conclusion was that it was going to be too expensive to fly more than a handful of times a year. NASA's vague plan was to have something like a 12-man space station with 4 crew rotations a year in the 1970s, so that wasn't gonna cut it. North American investigated reuse of CMs for Apollo Applications, including propulsive landings on the ground, but it was still gonna require a lot of refurbishment between flights and the cost savings weren't as much as I think they were hoping for.

McDonnell-Douglas was promising lower development costs for Big G than were going to be possible for any Apollo modifications, too. With the capsule stretched for 12 men then you only need to fly it 4 times a year, too.

https://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2015/11/space-station-resupply-1963-plan-to.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:44:06 2020 No.12275014 >>12275007 >stop touching my part of the control panel >no, make me

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:45:05 2020 No.12275020
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>>12274901
At that point why not just send up a fucking cubesat with a 3D camera on a Falcon Heavy and yeet it across the Solar System... charge a bunch of people millions of dollars, and put them in a vomit comet with a VR headset with a live feed streamed into their eyes? Your idea lacks FAITH OF THE HEART.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:45:54 2020 No.12275022

>>12275001
Although come to think of it, Dragon2 has life support for seven and a highly competitive lifespan compared to it's contemporaries, so it might not be as problematic as it first seems. Of course life support for 25-30 (which is what I think the realistic number of Starship crew will be) is more of a challange, especially with such a large pressurized volume that's going to need air circulation and thermal regulation as well as an absolute minimum of six months constant uptime without station support, and more probably at least a year of constant uptime for safety margin.
Starship's life support will thus have to hold out around 60x longer than Dragon2's in free flight with a hundred times more volume to manage, and four to six times the loading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:54:57 2020 No.12275038 Can you wank the cock in space

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:57:51 2020 No.12275044 >>12275038 If you aren't tied down you'd start to spin in circles.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:05:04 2020 No.12275056
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>>12273878
>I don't care about the answer to a millenniums old question being "where did life on Earth come from?" because Trump is president!
politics rots peoples brains so fucking badly holy shit. Bill Nye has done some cringey fucking shit, but watching him try and talk passionately about the idea of extra-terrestrial life to brainlets makes me feel so bad for him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:07:51 2020 No.12275063 >>12275044 what's new?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:08:08 2020 No.12275066
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>>12274951
>>12274944

my major belief is its likely the glass will get scrapped

>I mean in the end cost shouldn't be spared where the mental health of the crew is concerned,
built a garden room

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:09:34 2020 No.12275071 >>12275066 get a less pussier crew

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:10:10 2020 No.12275074 >>12274912 >>12274924 >>12274925 you wont be seeing anything in the void of space. that said the ship would already have glass windows im just opposed the giant glass finger nail

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:11:41 2020 No.12275078 >>12275074 >you wont be seeing anything in the void of space. wrong, you would be able to see the void of space.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:12:58 2020 No.12275082 >>12275074 >you wont be seeing anything in the void of space. >the earth and moon slowly becoming dots in the distance, mars slowly coming to dominate the view >the fucking milky way

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:13:14 2020 No.12275085

>>12275074
One thing garrett reisman taught me is that his favorite experience on station was staring into the void at the stars. Reason being was you could actually distinguish their colors, and they don't twinkle. They are more pointlike and clear, unlike anything you can experience on the surface of Earth.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:14:35 2020 No.12275088

>>12275007
It's also worth noting that Apollos design was finalized before Gemini got underway so it was always going to be a less capable craft by comparison. The only real advantage it had over Gemini was cabin space which admittedly is pretty big advantage when you're talking about sending multiple people on a 2 week trip to the Moon

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:17:03 2020 No.12275093

>>12275000
>You don't have to ban jews necessarily just handle it like Singapore does, make any talk of race or class warfare sedition

asians are more jew proof unlike whites who can be easily be quilted and blacks who are easily manipulated by said jews due being overly emotional children.

even if you had a law to ban talk of race or class they (jews) would find some way to introduce social strife. For mars it could simply be tension between certain academic fields or why did one set of colonist get the better plot of martian soil to set up their habitat.
The marxists who infiltrated america couldnt win on wealth because america was largely prosperous across classes due to economic mobility so they used racial tensions.
they are masters of divide and conquer

t. not white

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:17:28 2020 No.12275095 >>12275056 >millenniums millennia*

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:18:45 2020 No.12275099 >>12275095 leave me the fuck alone

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:19:51 2020 No.12275102 >>12275099 No, fuck you, anon. Come here, let me hug you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:21:06 2020 No.12275106 >>12275078 so you stare out of the giant window to just see black. >>12275085 there are already windows im talking the big section.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:22:02 2020 No.12275107 >>12275102 I'm getting mixed signals. >>12275106 >so you stare out of the giant window to just see black. Isn't that what happens when you look out your own window anyway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:23:18 2020 No.12275110 >>12275106 >so you stare out of the giant window to just see black. Hell yeah I just want to sit back and stare at the cosmos forever

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:25:34 2020 No.12275115 >>12275107 >I'm getting mixed signals. No, I'm sending the right signals.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:26:51 2020 No.12275119

>>12275110
Someone asked a good question a few threads back and didn't get a good answer so I will ask it again and add on to it: When you are on your way to Mars-say halfway... away from the Earth and your ship pointed away from the Sun-will you be able to see every single star akin to being at Hawaii with zero light pollution? I imagine the view will be fucking awe inspiring

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:32:40 2020 No.12275129 File: 105 KB, 1940x1097, bory.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is it that most BO news we hear comes from Tory Bruno?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:33:26 2020 No.12275130 >>12275119 You could be right next to the Earth and just turn the ship away and get a higher quality view than anywhere on the surface

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:34:45 2020 No.12275134 >>12275119 dud you not read my fucking post? >>12275085

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:36:12 2020 No.12275138 File: 148 KB, 768x767, download-1583327893.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275119 Not an astronomer so I can't answer for sure but since there's no other major source of light I don't know why that wouldn't be the case

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:36:18 2020 No.12275140 >>12275129 Bc oldspace got jeffrey by the mf ballsack bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:37:57 2020 No.12275143 >>12275130 >just turn the ship away and get a higher quality view wastes precious thruster fuel for a view >10million miles later we dont have enough thruster left to evade lads, well at least the view was nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:39:54 2020 No.12275148 >>12275143 Have you considered not being a little bitch?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:40:04 2020 No.12275150 >>12275143 How much RCS fuel do you think it takes to induce and then arrest a slight spin

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:46:37 2020 No.12275165 >>12275002 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2QaVpyLCvw Wait for the Synth at 2:30

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:47:54 2020 No.12275169

>>12275134
That doesn't really answer the question. The ISS benefits from having the Earth to create shade. During Mars transit all you have is your spacecraft, so the question is whether or not the limiting magnitude changes depending on the size of the object that's blocking the sunlight

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:49:28 2020 No.12275171 >>12275134 Oh shit no I didn't see it >>12275169 I thought the Earth would actually fuck up the view, would it not? As in, it would reflect a fuckload of light especially in LEO and block out stars you would otherwise see in deep space

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:50:32 2020 No.12275175 File: 402 KB, 1011x1024, space_hubble_repair.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275002 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaLe1ZZ97S0

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:52:17 2020 No.12275183 >>12275169 Shade is shade mate it's fucking space, you think the sun is going to reflect off of the nothing? You'll be facing away from the sun anyway due to solar radiation.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:03:34 2020 No.12275221

>>12275183
What you mean the nothing? If you're going to Mars you're going to be inside a relatively large stainless steel cylinder, and if you're doing an EVA for some reason your helmet will be reflecting some light. Are you saying if you looked in the direction of the sun while eclipsing it with a perfectly sized vantablack circle all the stars would be as bright as the ones in the opposite direction?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:07:23 2020 No.12275229 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHzEiOXxNc NASA's moon announcement. They found water molecules on sunlit lunar surface. Presumably this makes non-polar areas more sustainable for manned exploration than previously thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:08:01 2020 No.12275232 When is the moon announcement?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:09:13 2020 No.12275237 >>12275232 right now >>12275229

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:10:19 2020 No.12275243 File: 27 KB, 397x408, 1478035663522.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275229 Truly a happening worth a weeks worth of hype

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:10:26 2020 No.12275244 >>12275229 >They found water molecules on sunlit lunar surface. Didn't we already know this? Certain craters get sunlight, the water begins to evaporate, but then they get shaded again and the water returns. Or am I a brainlet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:10:29 2020 No.12275245 >>12275237 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:11:28 2020 No.12275249 File: 18 KB, 258x387, The-naked-sun-doubleday-cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275243 Where you find water you find life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:11:59 2020 No.12275251 Why does it sound like a early 20th century radio broadcast. Also, SpaceX should really consider developing a LOX/LH2 engine now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:12:58 2020 No.12275254 >>12275251 >Why does it sound like a early 20th century radio broadcast. NASA can't into online outreach

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:13:37 2020 No.12275257 >>12275251 >SpaceX should really consider developing a LOX/LH2 engine now. >hydromeme lol, nope

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:13:59 2020 No.12275260 >>12275254 YouTubers have better mics. Barely takes $200

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:14:43 2020 No.12275264

>>12275221
>If you're going to Mars you're going to be inside a relatively large stainless steel cylinder
... which is reflecting light AWAY from you. It could be as bright as you like, what does it matter to the viewer? At most you might see a slim glimmer of light at the edge, but that isn't in view of the windows and thus wouldn't contribute any significant glare either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:15:16 2020 No.12275268 >>12275243 Doesn't NASA make these kind of "groundbreaking" announcements all the time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:15:42 2020 No.12275271 >>12275257 Jeff Origin will dominate cis-lunar, they already have two H2 engines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:16:23 2020 No.12275272 >"we don't know if these water molecules are usable for humans" >spends half the time talking about artemis

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:16:30 2020 No.12275273 >>12275229 With how common water is seeming to be, we're probably going to find ice deposits all over the place and maybe even liquid pockets in the warmer deep crust.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:17:01 2020 No.12275275 >>12275268 Everytime they find further proof of previous Martian oceans it's always "BREAKING NEWS: NASA ANNOUNCES MARS USED TO HAVE WATER ON ITS SURFACE"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:17:03 2020 No.12275276 File: 32 KB, 936x702, 615497AC-8988-4A93-8203-A5DBC04C54CE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thoughts on the LSL?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:21:05 2020 No.12275291 >>12275264 bro think about it...it reflects off all the dust man. cant see through the murky sea of space

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:21:10 2020 No.12275292 >>12275276 Stick an Ares-1 upper stage on the SRB and you've got yourself a winner

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:21:36 2020 No.12275294 >>12274985 Gemini more versatile?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:21:37 2020 No.12275295 >>12275276 Would be fun watching it grunt itself into a slow RUD on the launchpad. Almost like Elvis Presley dying on the shitter from an aneurism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:21:52 2020 No.12275297 >discovery channel reporter >asks the question that was just answered

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:22:33 2020 No.12275299 >>12275291 Right so you're just a troll, bit odd to draw it out so much then

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:22:55 2020 No.12275301 >>12275271 jeff cant even dominate the stratosphere with hydrolox

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:22:59 2020 No.12275302 File: 476 KB, 1267x1670, l101_websitesticker.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GOODNESS PERSISTS

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:24:11 2020 No.12275304 >>12275299 no im a different anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:24:40 2020 No.12275308 Jeff Foust is the man. Always asking good questions.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:24:46 2020 No.12275309

>>12275271
Hydrogen may have a slightly better specific impoulse than let's say methane, however you need a HUGE volume of it stored at ridiculously low temperatures.
You need huge tanks to store it, wich have a certain mass to them, wich eats into your mass delta-V budget.
Effectively lowering your effective specific impulse.
Methalox/Propalox are better here than hydrogen, while beeing cheaper and easier to handle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:25:31 2020 No.12275312 >>12275297 Pretty sure they're all sitting there on hold without listening on another line. This happens every time

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:25:36 2020 No.12275313 File: 22 KB, 817x1264, retard troll attempt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275291

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:26:58 2020 No.12275317 >>12275309 No CH4 ISRU on moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:28:26 2020 No.12275325 >>12275317 No H2 ISRU on the moon for the forseeable future either...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:28:31 2020 No.12275326 >>12275251 Why would you waste resources into developing one of the least worthwhile bipropellant rocket engines?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:28:35 2020 No.12275328 >>12275317 Nip satellite found significantly more carbon emissions from the moon than solar winds could for. Never say never. We haven't even scratched the surface of what the moon holds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:28:43 2020 No.12275329 >>12275302 more like nrol lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:29:35 2020 No.12275331 >>12275325 You should dream a little bigger, darling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:29:37 2020 No.12275332 >>12275328 *could account for.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:31:32 2020 No.12275336
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>>12275331
>You should dream a little bigger, darling.
Shipping methane from Mars untill fusion becomes a thing and we can produce He^3 on the moon and hydrogen from jupiter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:32:02 2020 No.12275337 File: 81 KB, 800x535, 800px-President_Obama_speaks_at_Kennedy_Space_Center.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275328 >We haven't even scratched the surface of what the moon holds. But anon, we've been there before

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:32:33 2020 No.12275340 >>12275336 Ok not that big

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:34:29 2020 No.12275345

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/19/eaba1050.full
KAGUYA carbon emissions paper. There is carbon on the moon. We don't know where it comes from, we don't know how much. What do we do know now is that there's far, far more than can be deposited there by the sun and micrometeorites as formerly believed.

>>12275337
Yeah, in the same way a kid visited the beach for 5 minutes with a little plastic bucket and a little plastic rake 50 years ago. That does not make that kid an expert on marine life in his middle age when he reminisces about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:34:57 2020 No.12275348 >>12275340 Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:35:32 2020 No.12275350 >>12273868 is the Falcon Heavy getting upgraded? IIRC it could use a larger fairing, among other things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:35:37 2020 No.12275351 >>12275348 Something I can see in my lifetime

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:35:40 2020 No.12275352 >>12275313 it wasnt trolling it was sarcasm

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:37:24 2020 No.12275360 >>12275317 >ISRU on the moon ALUMINUM HYBRID ROCKETS

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:37:30 2020 No.12275362 >>12275350 It's getting a longer fairing for future DOD launches, but that's the only upgrade in the cards. All of SpaceX's launcher R&D is going into Starship.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:39:36 2020 No.12275366 File: 2.97 MB, 480x480, 1586553577574.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275276 >8 historic RS-25s in the drink AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:39:52 2020 No.12275368 How long is it sunlight in the lunar poles?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:40:05 2020 No.12275370

>>12275350
>is the Falcon Heavy getting upgraded?
F9 had a design freeze, they are all in on Starship now.
>IIRC it could use a larger fairing, among other things.
Yes, it could use a larger faiting and upper stage, but realisticly, that's not realy worth it for SpaceX as it's not economicly viable, pulls away ressources from starship and F9 (non heavy) can launch pretty much anything the market demands.
>>12275351
It's a step-by step thing, ISRU isn't going to happen in the next 10 years anyway, untill then all fuel is launched from earth, so methane/propane is about the best fuel for chemical rockets.
Later we might get martian IRSU and fusion going, but that's far in the future, probably the 2040s or later.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:40:54 2020 No.12275375 >>12275364 Woah it's getting a coffin? Fitting for a rocket that was dead on arrival. Only 2 operational missions in years? Bet Elon wishes he had cancelled it the first time. Wonder what convinced him otherwise, he tried to can it thrice lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:41:18 2020 No.12275378 >>12275366 Do you really think that would even launch considering that 2x SRBs = 70% of the thrust at launch? That shit would shake itself apart like Elvis on the shitter.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:41:26 2020 No.12275379

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-27/water-molecules-discovered-on-moon-using-nasas-flying-telescope/12806148

NASA press conference topic confirmed

"To find out, Dr Honnibal and her colleagues booked a flight on NASA's Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy (SOFIA) in 2018. SOFIA is a souped-up 747 aeroplane with a telescope inside it that can collect infrared light from above the clouds; in this case, it used an attachment focussing on wavelengths in the 5 to 8 micron range. Water molecules reflect light at a wavelength of 6 microns. "This is unique to molecular water because it requires two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen," Dr Honniball explained.
"Hydroxyl, with only one hydrogen atom, cannot make a 6 micron spectral fingerprint."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:42:23 2020 No.12275380 >>12275375 dangerously based post

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:42:35 2020 No.12275382 >>12275366 we gotta brainstorm how to cancel it before this happens. we have to save our heritage. imagine if some politician decided to burn our founding documents

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:42:39 2020 No.12275383 >>12275378 >2x SRBs = 70% of the thrust at launch? fucking hell, I didn't know it was that bad. Hydrogen engines are an embarrassment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:42:51 2020 No.12275384 Why do they ask the same questions again and again in the conference >>12275370 I think i would disagree with you on the lunar timelines. Colorado school of mines are working on prototypes right now. I think it's possible by Artemis 5 or 6.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:43:45 2020 No.12275391 >>12275379 I figured it would be something water related

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:43:45 2020 No.12275392 >>12275375 inb4 the coffin gets used once and is expended

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:44:58 2020 No.12275398 >>12275383 Hydrogen engines are the equivalent of 0.7 liter 3 cylinder super efficient shitters they put in those microcars. Fuck all thrust, lots of mileage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:46:02 2020 No.12275401 >>12274901 Add this to the list of /sfg/ trigger words along with aliens, basedbeans, niggers, and Joe Biden

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:47:49 2020 No.12275407 >>12275401 You forgot depots and hello babies

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:49:03 2020 No.12275410 >>12275375 Come to think of it, I don't think Elon ever said why. He did say he tried to cancel it three times, was it Gwynne who convinced him not to? I vaguely remember something like that

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:49:15 2020 No.12275412
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https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/ula-chief-says-the-be-4-rocket-engines-turbopump-issues-are-resolved/

>With turbopump issues “sorted out,” BE-4 rocket engine moves into production

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:50:38 2020 No.12275415 >>12275412 related https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/23-oct-2020/broadcast-3594-tory-bruno-ceo-ula

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:50:41 2020 No.12275416

Well I guess this is the reason for that 'big announcement' tomorrow..

https://www.space.com/water-on-moon-shadow-cold-traps-discovery

"Water on the moon is more common than scientists thought, with pockets of ice hiding in shadowy regions of "eternal darkness," some as small as a penny, new studies reveal.
Scientists have been finding signs of water on the moon since 2009 and, in 2018, confirmed the presence of water ice on the lunar surface. Now, researchers in two new studies have not only further confirmed the presence of water on the moon, but also found that the lunar surface could be harboring plentiful patches of secret ice in "cold traps," regions of permanently shadowed spots on the moon. "If you can imagine standing on the surface of the moon near one of its poles, you would see shadows all over the place," study author Paul Hayne, assistant professor in the Laboratory of Atmospheric and Space Physics at CU Boulder, said in a statement. "Many of those tiny shadows could be full of ice."

"In the other study, researchers led by Casey Honniball, a NASA Postdoctoral Program Fellow at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, studied water on the moon using data from NASA's SOFIA (the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy) airborne telescope.
Previous work identifying water on the moon was based on a spectral signature (the distinct "barcode" that scientists use to identify materials, which is reflected as a function of wavelength) that didn't distinctly show whether the target was water or hydroxyl bound to minerals on the lunar surface. "

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:51:32 2020 No.12275417 File: 1.18 MB, 2400x1080, Screenshot_20201026-095116_YouTube.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's your shuttle derived heavy lift launch vehicle bro https://youtu.be/Il4xDpx4rJk

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:55:23 2020 No.12275425 >>12275417 Why does NASA hate shuttle c? Because it looks like some shit the Russians might come up with?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:55:59 2020 No.12275428 >>12275417 this shuttle was shit. Why is there this obsession with deriving launch systems from such a flawed base?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:56:31 2020 No.12275429 File: 124 KB, 602x843, Shuttle-C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275417 That's what SLS should've been.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:56:43 2020 No.12275430 >>12275417 Was this even reusable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:56:46 2020 No.12275431 >>12275428 It sounds good to congress I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:57:45 2020 No.12275435 >>12275375 >3 Falcon Heavy launches in two years Oldspace would consider that a wild success

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:57:46 2020 No.12275434 >>12275425 Because it would've replaced the Shuttle and ended manned spaceflight for NASA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:58:53 2020 No.12275437 >>12275407 newfag here, what are hello babies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:59:03 2020 No.12275439 File: 257 KB, 2400x1350, ula_smart_system.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275430 http://www.astronautix.com/s/shuttlec.html The engines were recoverable SMART style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:59:12 2020 No.12275440 >>12275431 fucking congress of all things shouldn't be determining how humanity gets to space. Screw them. How does one change the way this works? What would a properly functioning system look like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:59:52 2020 No.12275442 >>12275434 That’s a broad sweeping generalization that doesn’t make sense or answer my question. Okay. Why did NASA hate the shuttle c when it was choosing a program to replace the shuttle

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:00:32 2020 No.12275445 File: 108 KB, 1041x673, NASA_1969_Future_missions.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275440 >What would a properly functioning system look like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:00:49 2020 No.12275447 File: 39 KB, 400x565, F-1B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember that they took this from you

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:00:52 2020 No.12275448 File: 514 KB, 221x231, 1572431991653.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275439 >SLS can't even do this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:02:07 2020 No.12275450 >>12275416 We should seriously whip out a rover and send it there for drill samples. Should not be that expensive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:04:32 2020 No.12275458 >>12274901 Or just use those long panes of windows the 2018 BFR had? Cameras could be placed in the front for a front view.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:04:33 2020 No.12275460 File: 10 KB, 480x360, 1601598000048.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275448 Well at least the SRBs are reusable.. oh wait, they aren't LMAO

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:05:03 2020 No.12275462 >>12275445 >>12275440 A purely left-wing government untainted by the cancer of the right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:06:09 2020 No.12275464 >>12275462 Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:06:58 2020 No.12275467 >>12275038 Blood doesn't flow right so no

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:07:30 2020 No.12275468
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>>12275442
>Why did NASA hate the shuttle c when it was choosing a program to replace the shuttle
Shuttle C came before the Shuttle needed replacing, but a technical reason for not resurrecting it could be payload limitations. Whatever payload the Shuttle C have to carry must fit in a payload bay off the side of the tank. That bay is limited in size due to aerodynamic and load limits, and thus limits how big the payloads can be. Shuttle C was expected to carry 45t to LEO and maybe that can increase to 60t, but that's still below the most basic version of SLS. The bay could be redesigned to be placed on top of the tank, but that would require the tank to be redesigned and that's already along the SLS development path. At that point it would be simpler to go for a pure traditional stack of a rocket rather than this weird side-cart rocket configuration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:07:31 2020 No.12275469 >>12275435 Our standards are higher (I'd hope)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:07:32 2020 No.12275470 >>12275462 That time of day again

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:08:54 2020 No.12275474 >>12275143 >what are reaction wheels

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:10:11 2020 No.12275479 >>12275462 If you said the opposite the npcs would just mindlessly nod and say "based"

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:10:21 2020 No.12275481

>>12275448
>>12275460
Reminds me of when I attended a public presentation about the SLS back in 2018. Just before they opened the floor to questions from the audience the presenter said in an annoyed tone "Before you ask, no, the SLS will not be reusable nor will we redesign it to be reusable."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:11:29 2020 No.12275483 File: 90 KB, 750x613, Bizarro 5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275276 Same energy

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:11:37 2020 No.12275484
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>>12275450
Shouldn't be but it will be

>>12275481
At least the conversation has shifted I guess. The more pressure on oldspace the better.

>>12275462
have to go deeper than that my man

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:11:49 2020 No.12275485 >>12275474 It would take reaction wheels like 3 days to turn a Starship around. It's not like KSP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:12:11 2020 No.12275486 Two party systems suck. But so do multi party ones because they devolve into people voting one trick parties like greens and nationalists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:13:50 2020 No.12275491 Don't reply to the faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:15:07 2020 No.12275495 File: 434 KB, 1181x855, Space_Is_Hard.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275450 >Should not be that expensive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:15:14 2020 No.12275496 >>12275486 Democracies don't work if people are uneducated, which most people are. Voting should be done by the top 10% smartest and best educated people in the society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:16:03 2020 No.12275498 >>12275276 >SLS = solid liquid solid >LSL - liquid solid liquid w o w e e

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:16:22 2020 No.12275499 >>12275485 True, but they would be good for stuff like well, looking at earth. There's plenty of room for larger reaction wheels, you could even have crew maintain said wheels by having indentations for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:17:36 2020 No.12275502 >>12275496 Democracies don’t work outright. That’s why 100% of democracies are oligarchies, usually of the plutocratic kind.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:18:33 2020 No.12275505

>>12275440
>What would a properly functioning system look like?

A ladder of monetary prizes for various spaceflight achievements. Think $100 million for an orbital launch, $1 billion for lunar landing etc.

Then let the results speak for themselves, no bureaucracy involved.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:19:18 2020 No.12275507 >>12275448 It could, it just needs $20 billion dollar extra for development cost and 7 years in development time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:20:11 2020 No.12275509 >>12275505 Also add, no milestone rewards until said milestones are achieved. That needs to be clarified for oldspace.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:23:05 2020 No.12275519

>>12275440
>What would a properly functioning system look like?
CRS or Commercial Crew.
>firm fixed price contracts
>multiple vendors
>NASA doesn't meddle with the design unless it impacts astronaut safety
Compare Dragon to the Shuttle for price per seat to LEO, or Falcon Heavy to any oldspace rocket for price per kg to LEO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:23:58 2020 No.12275522 Popularity is the worst thing that ever happens to something on the internet. All the smart people start getting sick of the bullshit, and the retards start to run the asylum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:25:30 2020 No.12275526 File: 2.21 MB, 4400x4600, Lunar_module_ascent,_Apollo_17,_Dec_1972-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Today in history: >1968 – The Soyuz 3 mission achieves the first Soviet space rendezvous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:26:57 2020 No.12275530 >>12275383 >>12275378 Astonishing. Each and every time I hear more about the Shittle it just gets worse and worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:27:20 2020 No.12275533 File: 3.32 MB, 250x250, space_falcon_9_landing.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Report and ignore all /pol/itical posts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:27:39 2020 No.12275537 File: 1.49 MB, 801x800, smug_Gene_Cernan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275526 >post is solely about a Soyuz rendezvous >uses image of an Apollo rendezvous

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:31:04 2020 No.12275549 >>12275467 I could totally get it up in space

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:33:33 2020 No.12275560

Don't you guys see the implications of the water announcement? They hint at it in the first guy's talk- NASA doesn't want to go to the lunar south pole. If they can find ANY water in the sunlit area (as they have) they have an excuse to just go there since it's easier than the rectum halo orbit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:33:50 2020 No.12275561 >>12275460 Even the booster on the Ares 1-X test was recoverable

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:34:01 2020 No.12275562 >>12275491 Oops.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:35:20 2020 No.12275566 File: 113 KB, 1910x1000, 5a385ca8160000563fcf1f4c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275522 >and the retards start to run the asylum

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:36:14 2020 No.12275570 >>12275533 Even political posts that are directly related to spaceflight matters?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:36:27 2020 No.12275571 >>12275533 you need to go back

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:36:40 2020 No.12275572 >>12275491 I'm doing it right now ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:37:25 2020 No.12275573 >>12275530 You could make a fucking 5 hour long documentary over what went wrong with SLS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:37:33 2020 No.12275574 >>12275570 If it's actual policy and budget discussion that's cool. If it's "No nigger or jews in space" or "ZOMG femboy hooters on first starship xDD" just ignore it and report.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:38:50 2020 No.12275578 >>12275574 I know which one of those I'm in favor of!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:39:07 2020 No.12275580 >>12275574 >No nigger or jews in space >ZOMG femboy hooters on first starship xDD there is literally nothing wrong with either of these posts

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:39:22 2020 No.12275582 Any updates on the Artemis Accords?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:41:47 2020 No.12275589 >>12275582 ESA members still dragging their feet

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:42:47 2020 No.12275591 File: 16 KB, 290x348, 1581976218769.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275587 >think of the lunarians!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:42:50 2020 No.12275592 >>12275587 >Caring about and sharing the opinions of literal whos Twitter nobodies represent ~2% of the american population at best. They are not representative or worth giving attention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:42:59 2020 No.12275593 File: 153 KB, 860x602, 599-5991841_crying-pepe-png-transparent-png.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275587 why cant people just be proud of this achievement

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:45:31 2020 No.12275606 File: 31 KB, 840x560, anrgy_musk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275587

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:46:33 2020 No.12275608 >>12275589 Don't the accords have a "you snooze, you lose" clause?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:46:37 2020 No.12275609
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>https://launcherspace.com/

The smallsat space is quickly becoming crowded. That's cool though as it indicates maturity of the field. The day that Starship-tier solutions become crowded will be a good one. The age of the Space Shuttle had far too little competition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:47:25 2020 No.12275611 >>12275593 because it's racist, you fucking bigot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:47:36 2020 No.12275612 >>12275592 You're the reason why biden will win. We need to fight these bots to secure human spaceflight. If we lay down they win, DONT YOU GET IT?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:47:48 2020 No.12275613 >>12275580 No, the latter post is gross.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:48:23 2020 No.12275616 File: 355 KB, 512x572, 1603343398797.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275587 Why does this keep happening? What drives a person to such a mentality?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:48:31 2020 No.12275617 >>12275587 Kill all communists

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:48:31 2020 No.12275618 >>12274325 This motherfucker single handedly makes NSF unwatchable save for the daily updates

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:48:41 2020 No.12275619 >>12275608 idk i hope so

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:48:47 2020 No.12275620 >>12275592 >Caring about and sharing the opinions of literal whos Jim Bridenstine is NASA admin

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:50:23 2020 No.12275623 >>12275587 You must feel so accomplished finding retarded posts on twitter anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:50:57 2020 No.12275624 File: 71 KB, 592x675, 1599990763924.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275587 eh, there always must be some group that's anti-space. When one group fades another comes to take their place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:51:11 2020 No.12275625 >>12275592 Reminder that even during the Apollo era the majority of Americans were against spaceflight

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:51:19 2020 No.12275626 >>12275623 it's literally the first fuckin reply under Jim's post you retard nigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:52:20 2020 No.12275633 >>12275587 dont listen to the trolls anon, i appreciate u spreading the word

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:53:51 2020 No.12275637 >>12275617 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:54:13 2020 No.12275638 SpaceX next Falcon 9 launches: 31/10: NROL 108 (National Reconnaissance Office) 05/11: GPS III 04 (Space Force) 10/11: Sentinel 6 (NASA/ESA) 15/11: Dragon Crew-1 (NASA/JAXA)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:54:40 2020 No.12275640 >>12275612 >making up fantasies about Biden cancelling spaceflight to defend that retard Trump kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:55:10 2020 No.12275641 >>12275624 Alice here has the right to take it easy on the fucking donuts but she ain’t doin’ that any time soon. Bitch probably consumes more water and sugar and flour every week than there is water on the moon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:55:52 2020 No.12275645 >>12275587 It may be a shock to you but the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about space

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:56:51 2020 No.12275646 >>12275640 Remember when Obama cancelled all immediate plans beyond LEO in order to save a buck? And then signed the SLS into law to keep shuttle contractors and congressmen happy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:57:23 2020 No.12275648 >>12275645 Huh! Mild shock. The general public is actually so dumb, twitter just gives them a stage to talk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:00:18 2020 No.12275655 >>12275640 Trump is the greatest president we've had since Lincoln, maybe ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:02:04 2020 No.12275658 File: 2.57 MB, 1328x897, RollsRoyce_RZ2_rusty.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275646 Lost interest in spaceflight when that happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:02:29 2020 No.12275661 >>12275641 Does kooking at fat people ever make u hungry? I just imagine making some bacon strips out of em. you could feed so many mars colonists with 1 obese woman

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:03:41 2020 No.12275665 >>12275646 and it's about to happen again under the guise of muh pandemic

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:04:09 2020 No.12275668 >>12275645 No one's shocked big guy. Don't let the twitter retards bother you this much

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:07:34 2020 No.12275677

Alright am I crazy or wasn’t there a planned Asteroid Capture mission under Obama?? I remember this very vividly- I’m pretty sure it got really close to happening before getting canned.
All the concept art I remember seeing was Orion with an asteroid attached. If this is true then it begs the question: would this mission even have happened yet had it gotten funded?? SLS wasn’t ready 4 years ago and it STILL isn’t ready today. I suppose you could have launched it on a FH or Delta or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:09:19 2020 No.12275686 File: 119 KB, 863x587, 8gm4y7d5m2t41.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apologize

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:10:16 2020 No.12275688

>>12275677
>Alright am I crazy or wasn’t there a planned Asteroid Capture mission under Obama?
Yes, but that was only chosen because Obama didn't want NASA to go to the moon or Mars. He even made an offhand comment like "the moon? we've been there already". NASA was incredibly reluctant to do it, and only worked on it to humor the president. Once Obama was out of the office the whole thing was quietly dropped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:11:20 2020 No.12275693 >>12275686 Starship is more real than Block 1B, why isn't it on the chart? Block 2 is pure paper rocket.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:11:23 2020 No.12275694
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>>12275677
We have the capability. SLS is real. We have prioritized the mission to the 2050’s on a cost-plus budget! That will be $20 billion please

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:11:50 2020 No.12275698

>>12275646
The Presidents don't care about what goes on at NASA. Those politics are within congress and are not controlled by left-right bullshit. I do remember that it was during the Obama years that they were fighting to give more funding for commercial crew and to develop the fuel depot project that was tanked by Shelby the republican. Same goes for the reason the SLS is alive to this day.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:12:02 2020 No.12275700
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>>12275677
The Asteroid Redirect Mission was this weird makework cope program in order to give SLS something to do
>send a craft to an asteroid
>have it pick up a bolder
>bring the bolder back to lunar orbit (???)
>send a couple astronauts up there to get some samples
Thankfully it was reworked into Gateway and Artemis under Trump. I know they're not perfect but at least they're something

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:12:16 2020 No.12275702 File: 55 KB, 900x810, smug_anime_girl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275686 >SLS variants beyond Block 1

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:14:30 2020 No.12275708 >>12275686 why tf is new glenn's tli payload so bad? makes no sense

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:16:25 2020 No.12275715

>>12275698
>The Presidents don't care about what goes on at NASA.
I think Trump is the first one to ever do so. It strokes his ego massively to have space accomplishments happen under his reign and constantly mentions landing people on the Moon and Mars at rallies

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:16:45 2020 No.12275717

>>12275708
I think it makes sense. It’s just a strange rocket in a weird middle ground between F9 and FH. I think the general consensus here on /sfg/ is that their “New Armstrong” rocket will literally just be new glenn with a third stage for direct lunar TLI but much much more capability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:18:00 2020 No.12275721 File: 476 KB, 270x203, 1592972156783.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275460 Can we get a /sfg/ risitas video dabbing on the SLS? Please? Pretty please?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:19:11 2020 No.12275724 >>12275708 I'm guessing that Glenn is in reusable mode and FH is in expendable mode?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:19:22 2020 No.12275725 bezos will die before new armstrong happens

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:21:03 2020 No.12275728 >>12275495 The hardest thing about space is me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:21:18 2020 No.12275729 >>12275725 Jeff Who doesn't die though. He reverts pack to a pupa form to be reborn.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:21:38 2020 No.12275730

>>12275715
>I think Trump is the first one to ever do so
lol no. All he's done is to take the clout from the Obama era commercial crew program and SpaceX's success. Everyone knows Artemis is just another reason to keep SLS alive and at most will accomplish an ego flagplant with no permanent presence.
Since Apollo not a single administration has had the will to fund serious or meaningful crewed space exploration missions. It's been the same with Constellation, SLS and now Artemis, all fluff. SpaceX and BO are the ones with meaningful plans to do space exploration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:21:45 2020 No.12275733 File: 241 KB, 1288x1717, 1598327160579.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275686 I don't even want to see a graph that charts cost per Kg payload

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:22:29 2020 No.12275736 >>12275573 I could write a five fucking volume book about what went wrong with the SLS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:23:51 2020 No.12275740 >>12275448 Neither can ULA, because they dropped SMART.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:24:58 2020 No.12275745 >>12275740 that wasn't very smart of them

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:25:05 2020 No.12275746 >>12275733 Jesus christ. This is why I love Colored Mask. I need one with Saturn V as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:25:30 2020 No.12275747 >>12275745 Gotta keep them engine manufactures in business, it's the American way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:25:54 2020 No.12275752 >>12275740 Supposedly they'll reintroduce it to Vulcan once it starts flying.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:26:20 2020 No.12275753

>>12275693
Starship has zero payload to the Moon in the most common single launch configuration, its a LEO achored vehicle similar to STS. Incomparable a system designed for deep space exploration such as the SLS that has been built around the idea to send the first woman to the Moon and maybe even Mars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:26:33 2020 No.12275754 >>12275733 >Block 2 Implying that shit will ever fucking exist since it relies on boosters that will never exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:27:51 2020 No.12275760 >>12275740 >dropped ACES >dropped SMART What the fuck haven't they dropped

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:28:10 2020 No.12275761 >>12275740 >we'll ebect the enbines from bear orbit and gatch them with belibopters :DD fug

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:28:14 2020 No.12275762 >>12275760 Cost plus contracts and lobbying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:28:16 2020 No.12275763 >>12275753 >Starship has zero payload to the Moon in the most common single launch configuration, its a LEO achored vehicle similar to STS and orbital refueling doesn't count because?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:28:37 2020 No.12275766

>>12275754
Idk if Block 2 is mandated by congress, but if it isn’t, I assure you SLS will get shelved as soon as it does the bare minimum required by law. Hopefully it won’t launch europa clipper either. I cannot imagine a world where SLS exists when starship is flying

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:29:19 2020 No.12275771 >>12275760 Results over rhetoric!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:30:15 2020 No.12275772 >>12275766 >I cannot imagine a world where SLS exists when starship is flying You better believe it because if you are burger you'll literally pay to see it and for many years to come.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:31:00 2020 No.12275776 >>12275754 >>12275733 >>12275686 yeah that chart starts looking real shit when you discount the non-existent versions. So after ridiculous time and cost you get a sack of shit that depends on future improvements that will likely never happen.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:31:06 2020 No.12275777

>>12275766
>However, this competition was planned for a development plan in which Block 1A would be followed by Block 2A, with upgraded boosters. NASA canceled Block 1A and the planned competition in April 2014.[80][81] Due to this cancellation, it was reported in February 2015 that SLS is expected to fly with the original five-segment SRB until at least the late 2020s. This decision was vindicated as a later study found that the advanced booster would have resulted in unsuitably high acceleration.[82] The overly powerful booster would need modifications to Launch Pad 39B, its flame trench, and Mobile Launcher, which are being evaluated.[80]
Block 2 is dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:31:34 2020 No.12275779 >>12275753 If orbital refueling doesn't count, than anything past SLS Block 1 doesn't count (and Delta IV too) because those rockets will never leave the pad

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:32:36 2020 No.12275782 >>12275777 WITNESSED

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:34:17 2020 No.12275788 >>12275779 A lot of people will be veeeeeery happy with that turn of events.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:37:39 2020 No.12275803 >>12275779 Hydrogen first stage rockets were a mistake

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:38:31 2020 No.12275810 >>12275313 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:43:12 2020 No.12275820 >>12274365 Yeah lets optimize it away we can use cameras and vr goggles. While at it we can even drop the entire rocket thing and sell a vr app instead! Imagine the excitement and how many children will be interested in STEM!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:43:20 2020 No.12275822 >>12275803 Seriously, what the fuck is the obsession with hydrolox first stages?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:44:16 2020 No.12275823 >>12275708 That's probably just for the 2-stager. They'll surely add a BE-7 upper stage that can substantially increase the TLI throw weight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:44:56 2020 No.12275824 >>12275822 It dates back to in situ space fuel and ssto spaceplanes.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:45:14 2020 No.12275828

>>12275609
Honestly the most interesting thing about these guys is their fast metal 3d printer. I'm not an expert in that field, but it seems like they have a uniquely good printer for metal. Probs will get bought out and have their printer tech thrown into orbit for orbital manufacturing of big dumb metal objects.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:46:28 2020 No.12275830 File: 136 KB, 1440x810, 1591004927399.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275587 >was discovered via a flying telescope sick

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:46:58 2020 No.12275833 File: 42 KB, 800x450, oogaboogaaa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Grug dream of stars

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:49:17 2020 No.12275837 >>12275833 Star far away give many berry to boing!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:50:42 2020 No.12275843 >>12275837 berry-plus agreement good for boeing! me tells them, ‘need more time for oragne tank!’

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:51:43 2020 No.12275847 >>12275833 grug think berry cave up good berry cave up help go places

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:52:42 2020 No.12275850 File: 85 KB, 529x775, get em zubrin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275366 fishes love that shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:54:18 2020 No.12275855 >>12275850 Honestly I feel like Zubrin would be willing to make shit up and pull facts out of his ass just to get retards to shut up. Love the man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:54:40 2020 No.12275857 >>12275850 >Mariana Trench >pictures of artificial reefs People know what the abyss is right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:56:04 2020 No.12275862 >>12275336 >we can produce He^3 on the moon Never >hydrogen from jupiter Hydrogen from water ice from Callisto. First gas giant to be mined for fuels will be Uranus, because it has the lowest escape velocity.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:56:28 2020 No.12275866

Heres a question I've been wondering about, how much greater would our deep space capabilities be if we could manufacture big dumb items in space. I mean lets say we have an asteroid we are mining and we have tons of iron we can use to build just pure structural elements or other items that don't require complicated manufacturing techniques. How much could that improve our ability to explore deep space in the near term(10-20 years).

I guess lets say we can build big trusses or big heavy tanks, would it actually be taken advantage of form craft or only be used for space stations?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:57:13 2020 No.12275867 File: 360 KB, 750x729, 3D0EC464-7BA3-48FB-957E-05963A387756.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh noooooo baguettebros who could have seen this happening??? https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1320798926140821511?s=21

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:57:45 2020 No.12275873

>>12275366
I get that the circlejerk is that SLS bad, but I'm just not seeing it with the crying over muh SSMEs. We have plenty of them already, there are plenty in museums. Did any of these engines fly on particularly noteworthy or historic missions? None of you know. None of you actually care. It's just an excuse to go into histrionics over a dumb rocket that's given you much better reasons to oppose it already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:59:32 2020 No.12275884 >>12275866 Earth's gravity well is a real bitch. Any means of bypassing it would yield huge advances.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 14:59:47 2020 No.12275885

>>12275873
Yes. It’s just funny as fuck. It doesn’t intrinsically bother me, but it irks me because SLS has been delayed so many times THEY ALREADY HAVE MADE A BACKLOG OF NEW ENGINES. So they don’t even HAVE to use the shuttle ones. But they are required to

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:00:09 2020 No.12275888 >>12275717 >It’s just a strange rocket in a weird middle ground between F9 and FH wtf no NG is supposed to be much stronger then FH which can only do about 30 tons to leo reusable compared to the 45 tons to leo of NG

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:01:09 2020 No.12275890 >>12275867 Does ESA have any hope going forward? The biggest thing they had going for them was the commercial launch market which they have lost a massive share of

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:03:35 2020 No.12275896

>>12275884
I mean yeah thats obvious, but I guess what I'm wondering is like lets say we can build these heavy and strong items. What are the actual use cases where we can launch something into space and actually build a structural element that synergizes well. A 30 metric ton wrought iron super tank isn't much use for a probe with a single vacuum merlin or raptor. Or assembling a probe around a wrought iron body in orbit probably poses more chance for failure than just using more expensive lighter materials on earth. I'm not trying to be a pessimist its just that bitch in logistics is in the details.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:03:50 2020 No.12275898 >>12275850 Based Zubrin, defender of space.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:04:45 2020 No.12275901

>>12275890
They have no hope it literally takes them 20 years to build things and get it to orbit
>>12275888
If I’m wrong i’ll take it back but I could have sworn it was less capable than FH. It’s just confusing because these rockets have reusable and expendable modes and wikipedia shows all the data randomly. I’ll look into it when I get back from the grocery store

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:05:17 2020 No.12275903 >>12275890 No. There is no hope on this continent.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:08:25 2020 No.12275912

>>12275890
Arianespace know they are fucked up it is why they are lobbying hard for european "block buy" aka the EU or whatever buys N rockets and keeps buying them to make sure the vital expertise is retained. They want subsidy based literally on boingo/lm/ula's assured access to space for national security model.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:11:25 2020 No.12275919 >>12275592 ~2% and louder than the other 98% put together. Threat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:12:15 2020 No.12275922 >>12275760 They haven't dropped delta IV stages into the ocean yet

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:12:52 2020 No.12275923 >>12275896 anything that's large enough to not fit into modern payload fairings would be a start. anything that takes advantage of square-cube law like large wrought iron habitats and antennas would be extremely useful.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:14:14 2020 No.12275927

>>12275867
I'm surprised that Ariane 6 is taking so long. It's effectively just Ariane 5 with simpler tooling, new boosters and engines, and a fresh paint job. It don't even have the "we're building the rocket rocket that will fly" excuse that SLS has.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:20:21 2020 No.12275942
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>>12275592
Every single journalist, celebrity, Tech CEO, and politician uses twitter bro, even if they're a minority of the country, people with systemic power use twitter, and are vocalizing their negative opinions about spaceflight
Seth Rogan may be a retard, but he's a retard with 8 million twitter followers talking about spaceflight with open hostility, which his millions of fan may reciprocate, and that can influence future legislation in regards to space

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:22:47 2020 No.12275950

>>12275923
Ooh, I did not think of antennas that would be a good one. Maybe, large structural trusses and just complimentary add-ons to existing craft. Like workdays, could just be bolted to the side of a starship for the purpose of turning into a satellite maintainer ship. Or big bays for big ship maintenance that could be bolted to the ISS or other space stations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:23:38 2020 No.12275954 >>12275942 If a President he liked was proposing Artemis he'd be full-on "DUUUDE SPACE HAHA WHO WANTS TO SMOKE UP THERE BRO?" about it. What a two-faced cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:24:59 2020 No.12275960 >>12275927 >just Ariane 5 with simpler tooling, new boosters and engines In other words, a new fucking rocket. Tanks are the complex parts, son.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:26:42 2020 No.12275963

>>12275942
The internet is not real. Opinions that people acquire from the internet are quickly shed for the new hot opinions to have. Most of all, ideas that form on social media will never result in large scale real world action. 99% of people who like or share a tweet will never lift a single real world finger to take action on those tweets. It's all just piss in an ocean of piss, and you are much better of ignoring it.

This applies even more when it comes to space flight, where there is no company that needs to appeal to public opinion. SpaceX will continue building rockets regardless of what washed up weed smoking junkies say on twitter.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:28:32 2020 No.12275973 >>12275942 >being so gullible an believing the GOP's bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:31:24 2020 No.12275980 >>12275973 The GOP is serious. Trump touts space travel as one of his issues whereas Biden completely ignores it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:31:26 2020 No.12275981 >>12275686 FH TLI has enough Delta V as an expendable rocket to launch an Orion stack to the moon, and FH is a flight proven rocket

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:32:37 2020 No.12275983
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>>12275942
Seth Rogan is a fat gay retard saying retard things because orange man bad. If the Democrats had made an identical tweet he'd be all "fuck YEAH science the SHIT out of space!! Epic NdgT moment!!!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:33:33 2020 No.12275986 >>12275942 Be glad that private spaceflight is catching on. SpaceX or Blue Origin don't and shouldn't care what some guy who has made his career around weed jokes says about spaceflight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:33:39 2020 No.12275987 >>12275980 Not at all. It's funny seeing you people cheer for SLS when the orange clown touts it. If you think NASA is sending people to Mars by 2024 you have to be legitimatley retarded.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:35:13 2020 No.12275992

>>12275963
> ideas that form on social media will never result in large scale real world action
How are you this naive? It's not 2005 anymore. The big social media companies know how powerful they are which is why they're going all-in on censorship and artificial promotion

> there is no company that needs to appeal to public opinion
They don't "need to" but it's beneficial to have more people on your side no matter what. Elon regularly advertises job openings on Twitter so obviously he sees a benefit in that regard at least

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:42:42 2020 No.12276014 >>12275987 >It's funny seeing you people cheer for SLS when the orange clown touts it. It's not cheering for SLS you retard. It's cheering for an administration that cares if only a little bit about space more than just "Earth Science Missions"

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:42:56 2020 No.12276015
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>>12275980
>Trump touts space travel as one of his issues
If you mean taking credit for a mission done by SpaceX and organized during the Obama admin then yes.
I know you're an edgy teenager so I understand why you'd fall for such transparent cheap pandering. I also bet you believed Newt Gingrich when he talked about moon bases.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:43:54 2020 No.12276017

>>12275992
>The big social media companies know how powerful they are which is why they're going all-in on censorship and artificial promotion
Big companies do this because it helps them sell products. SpaceX (Or any rocket company) does not sell products to average consumers, so the opinion of the average consumer on twitter means nothing.

>it's beneficial to have more people on your side no matter what.
People are on space explorations side. They just aren't vocal on twitter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:44:28 2020 No.12276018 >>12276015 It's blatant partisan pandering but when the left is literally saying "take all Elon's money and give it to black kids for school lunches" the choice is simple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:45:24 2020 No.12276022 >>12276018 So naive

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:45:47 2020 No.12276024

>>12275901
>If I’m wrong i’ll take it back but I could have sworn it was less capable than FH. It’s just confusing because these rockets have reusable and expendable modes and wikipedia shows all the data randomly. I’ll look into it when I get back from the grocery store
no problem anon. wikipedia can sometimes show these numbers all over the place. the problem is as you assumed that FH is mostly shown with its maximum payload in expandable mode since 70 something tons sounds awesome. NG on the other hand isn't even supposed to launch in expandable mode like ever so there are no numbers for its expandable maximum payload. however for FH the reusable payload is about 30ish tons to leo so NG would definetely be much stronger.
of course it is all a big IF until NG actually flies. personally i find it a bit problematic anyways to compare existing and (currently) not existing rockets with each oter, but sometimes one has to

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:45:51 2020 No.12276025 >>12276017 >People are on space explorations side. Beyond Earth Orbit space exploration has been dead for nearly 50 years and the vast majority has not given a single shit

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:49:57 2020 No.12276031

>>12276014
Science missions are much more valuable than manned missions when they lack clear and meaningful purpose. I'm sure you can cobble up an ego driven flagplant on the Moon in the next 5 years, but that money could be much better spent on planetary science exploration missions who's results will be much more valuable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:51:07 2020 No.12276036 >>12276017 >People are on space explorations side. They just aren't vocal on twitter. Even when Apollo was going on people had open disdain for the program and its costs. That's why the last two were cancelled.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:51:39 2020 No.12276039

>>12276015
I won't disagree with you lmao. Of course he's gonna take credit for it- his ego is big and it looks good to tout those things at a rally. What you SHOULD give him credit for is putting Big Jim in charge (who is fueling spacex through some big contracts). Of course a liberal NASA administrator could always launch climate sats on a falcon 9... but Artemis is giving tons of money to Elon, not to mention the proposed E2E money that he might get from the department of defense through space force.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:52:39 2020 No.12276044 File: 83 KB, 1170x1080, 1603682845964.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276031 Alright I'll admit you had me going for a while

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:53:23 2020 No.12276046 >>12275987 2024 is a bit optimistic but 100% possible

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:53:45 2020 No.12276047 >>12276031 >but that money could be much better spent on planetary science exploration missions who's results will be much more valuable. How about manned science missions? A person can work much faster than a probe.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:54:17 2020 No.12276048

>>12276031
The Apollo program was just a bad example. Apollo 11 was purely for the flex and bringing rocks back was a byproduct because they were going there anyways. But after Apollo 11 the science got more and more important (culminating in Apollo 17 where a literal geologist was sent there). I think Artemis will be much more science-heavy, with geologists going there right off the bat. Aside from some low-g biology studies, geology is the most important science you can do on solar system bodies and I am super pumped that we will be getting boots back on the Moon and on Mars within our lifetime

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:54:21 2020 No.12276050 >>12276039 >liberal NASA administrator The last one was the one who pushed for more funding for SpaceX and wanted to do orbital refueling depots. As I've said before space funding and decisions are not driven by dem-rep politics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:54:25 2020 No.12276052 >>12275987 >Not at all. It's funny seeing you people cheer for SLS when the orange clown touts it Trump cheers manned space exploration in general, which is very good

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:55:25 2020 No.12276058 >>12276022 1. That's not an argument, retard 2. NASA literally ate shit under Obama, why would Biden be different

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:55:26 2020 No.12276059 >>12276031 >but that money could be much better spent on planetary science exploration missions who's results will be much more valuable. The results are worth exactly nothing, zero, unless people go there and exploit resources and live.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:55:30 2020 No.12276060

>>12276039
>proposed E2E money that he might get from the department of defense through space force.
Am I hallucinating or did someone state that certain E2E applications would be possible using ONLY the Starship 2nd stage? I swear I remember something about that.

Anyways, I'm all for SpaceX getting some of that comically massive military budget. Anything the expedite progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:56:23 2020 No.12276061 >>12276050 This is the first time I've seen someone speak in anyway highly of Bolden since he got the job

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:56:46 2020 No.12276063

>>12276047
Hence a meaningful, well planned manned mission, which every admin since Apollo has not had the will to fund. The public is generally resistant to large spending on space. Robotic missions will have to make due until SpaceX, which has the actual will to accomplish things makes progress on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:58:19 2020 No.12276069 >>12276059 >scientific knowledge is worthless

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:59:26 2020 No.12276073 >>12276063 >Robotic missions will have to make due until SpaceX You mean like the nearly 1 Billion dollar sample return mission that immediately started spilling it's spaghetti out into space?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:59:41 2020 No.12276075 >>12276069 >if not exploited and simply left to languish on the back pages of dusty textbooks yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 15:59:53 2020 No.12276077 >>12276060 No you are correct, you don't need SuperHeavy for E2E as far as I understand it. The sight of a Space Force starship landing and unloading MRE's will be kino as fuck

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:02:28 2020 No.12276082

>>12276077
>No you are correct, you don't need SuperHeavy for E2E as far as I understand it.
fucking nice. I imagine that not having to stack starship + superheavy would open up more launch points.

>The sight of a Space Force starship landing and unloading MRE's will be kino as fuck
would be incredible

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:02:41 2020 No.12276083 >>12276069 Scientific application without practical application is absolutely fucking worthless, yes. The location of ore deposits on Mars are pointless to know unless dudes are down there digging them up and putting them into blast furnaces

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:06:26 2020 No.12276089

>>12276058
As I've repeated here and in many threads, any given president has little agency over NASA, when the big decisions and funding bills are made by congressmen influenced by lobbyists.
Trump or Biden don't give a fuck about NASA and Trump taking credit for a mission that was planned and funded during the last administration is evidence of that.
Meanwhile congress just keeps appropriating more money for SLS in the guise of Artemis while giving some scraps to newer companies.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:09:51 2020 No.12276101
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Could a theoretical Falcon Heavy Centaur send a manned sample return mission to a near Earth asteroid more cheaply and quickly than a probe of equivalent sample capacity?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:10:32 2020 No.12276104

>>12276089
>Trump or Biden don't give a fuck about NASA
Trump is the one who got Bridenstine in there which already makes him a better president for space than the last 9. Plus he has continuously been questioning why NASA has been moving so slowly with SLS and tried to get them to push ahead and make Artemis 1 manned. Sure that wasn't the smartest idea but at least it shows that he gives some fraction of a shit about space shit

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:12:32 2020 No.12276109

>>12276104
Also Trump didn't gut NASA's flagship projects (except the asteroid mission but that was never going to fly) when he took office. He let them continue as NASA wanted them which is a huge thing given the history of programs dictated by presidents after Apollo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:17:43 2020 No.12276127 >>12276018 >everyone on the left thinks this Its funny how people will say that the small minority of twitter users don't represent the views of everyone, yet they think that these people represent the views of everyone on the left.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:19:31 2020 No.12276135 >>12276058 do you know what literally means? Because NASAs budget literally increased under Obama.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:20:19 2020 No.12276139

>>12276104
>>12276109
Artemis is yet another bill trying to give SLS something to do. You're too young to remember but we've been having this song and dance since Constellation.
I'm not going to excuse Trump for the shitshow he has caused or all the gutting he did to other science agencies and the EPA just because Jim was one of the few people he appointed who were not criminal or incompetent.
NASA always putters along as it's done after Apollo doing great science. Space has nothing to do in my decision on who to vote where there are much more pertinent things going on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:20:38 2020 No.12276142 >politics in /sfg/ You're gay

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:20:55 2020 No.12276145 >>12276127 Everyone on the left is a retard and should be shot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:21:36 2020 No.12276153 >>12276145 ok fascist larper kid

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Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:23:36 2020 No.12276161

>>12276031
I feel that manned missions offer indirect advantages. They're more challenging and thus inherently demand greater technological advancement to achieve. This has obvious advantages outside of a single mission or even space. The obvious example here are the Apollo missions. We got an absolute glut of tech that would have not happened if we settled on sending a dinky probe or rover.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/20/742379987/space-spinoffs-the-technology-to-reach-the-moon-was-put-to-use-back-on-earth
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/

I also believe that the psychological impact shouldn't be understated. Sending a rover does not have the same impact as sending a human. Frankly, humanity could use a pick-me-up now and a reminder that we can do great things.

>>12276089
as with everything all eyes are on the pres when people should be kicking congress' ass. Congress' comparative lack of scrutiny allows them to get away with all kinds of horseshit that a president never could.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:24:46 2020 No.12276170

>>12276059
>>12276069
>>12276075
>>12276083
Studying the universe and other bodies helps us understand our own even without colonization and mining

It's slowly acquired and expensive knowledge, and every fact we learn at best is tangentially related, but earth science is important for survival in the near future and it wouldn't be where it is today without examining space.

Does putting boots on mars help solve global warming at all? Probably not, but it would help us in the aggregate and there are plenty of other problems, existing and potential to where the answer could be yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:24:58 2020 No.12276172 >>12276153 ok communist larper kid

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:25:01 2020 No.12276173 >>12276159 cute tooter dude

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:26:16 2020 No.12276178 File: 112 KB, 772x956, 1599159869536.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Elon better fix the tiles because even if everything else works on starship, if the tiles fail, it's not flying

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:28:38 2020 No.12276187 >>12276178 Ok.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:28:51 2020 No.12276189 >>12276178 Just spray the hull with truck bedliner

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:30:03 2020 No.12276194 >>12276153 >>12276127 These are two seperate people.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:31:40 2020 No.12276200

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=937CktCsDW0
This is a NASA report on the progress of the Saturn V from the 4th quarter of 1966. The section about all the fuckups with the S-II is pretty entertaining. Apparently, they managed to drop a 10ft ladder on the LH2 dome, and it open up a massive crack. Sounds like giant hydrolox stages have always been a bitch to work with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:32:43 2020 No.12276204 File: 170 KB, 1000x750, 1588077999262.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/a-clockwork-rover-for-venus/ >NASA is working on clockwork tech for a venus rover just learned about this. That's fucking cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:33:39 2020 No.12276208 >>12276172 >>12276153 All communists and fascists should be executed, as well as anyone who thinks those are the only possible political views.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:34:28 2020 No.12276211 File: 254 KB, 900x559, Walter_HWK_109-509_A1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276198

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:35:40 2020 No.12276215 >>12276204 Reminds me of that one little Da Vinci robot that you could 'program' to make turns at specified intervals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:36:50 2020 No.12276219 File: 62 KB, 998x500, wm7fc7vebbb01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276204 Rad as shit. The type of engineering that has to go into Venus landers is neat

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:37:09 2020 No.12276221 >>12276208 I see you are a fellow radical centrist

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:40:02 2020 No.12276231 >>12276208 Based and grillpilled.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:41:04 2020 No.12276234 >>12276200 It's amazing that they continued on with the program while keeping their fast pace despite those issues.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:42:33 2020 No.12276240

>>12276170
>but earth science is important for survival in the near future

Nope. Climate change is not a threat of any sort. You’re genuinely a retard if you think you’re existentially threatened by it getting slightly warmer over the period of several decades or the sea level rising less than an inch annually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:43:51 2020 No.12276244 >>12276240 Doesn't sound like you're trusting the science anon

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:44:31 2020 No.12276248

>>12276234
A lot of that was the result of having sufficient political support to throw money at contractors in a way that NASA hasn't been able to do since then. I can't imagine the shitposting that would ensue if SLS had to use a painted steel spacer as a stand in for a stage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:44:37 2020 No.12276249 >>12276240 It will be though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:46:29 2020 No.12276255 >>12276249 Just move inland dummy, coastlines aren't permanent we just die too fast to notice them changing.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:46:37 2020 No.12276256

>>12276244
No honest scientist genuinely believes you will die because it’s 89’ Fahrenheit one day somewhere instead of the 82’ Fahrenheit it would have been in some impossible alternative dimension where humans never used fossil fuels. Green energy shills are retards who have no idea what they’re talking about and always will be until they concede nuclear reactors must take precedence over shifty windmills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:47:42 2020 No.12276262 >50 Raptors built now So it's about 1 every 2 weeks or so?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:47:47 2020 No.12276263 >>12276255 >the effects of climate change will only be warmer weather and slightly higher coastlines

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Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:48:35 2020 No.12276267

>>12276249
>it will be though.

Yeah. In 800,000,000 years when the Sun’s growing size and radiation causes climate change to the earth which makes life impossible on the surface. Man-made climate change is at best a minor change in conditions we can cope with by simply walking a few feet away from the shore and using air conditioning.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:50:04 2020 No.12276270 >>12276267 >>12276256 Why do you even come to /sci/ when you don't even know the basics of the effects and far reaching of rapid climate change?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:51:20 2020 No.12276274 >>12276270 Why do you bitch about shit unrelated to spaceflight in /sfg/

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:52:55 2020 No.12276279

>>12276263
Those are the effects of it being warmer overall, yes. One side effect, which is actually quite nice, is that the CO2 is making earth more lush.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

Billions of tons of carbon, which used to be utilized by living things, were locked away deep beneath the ground, but thanks to us, these carbon molecules can once more be utilized by glorious life, used to form plant matter, bacterial biomass, and flesh. We’ll eventually get a Jurassic Era Gaia world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:53:15 2020 No.12276280 >>12276240 I don't think, I just supposed we should act on the body of scientific knowledge as it is today, right or wrong. Unless you have a better idea, like your own opinion lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:54:13 2020 No.12276283 >>12276270 >Why don’t you listen to fearmongering nonsense grrr Prove that a slightly warmer world and a slightly higher sea level would kill people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:54:33 2020 No.12276286 >>12276256 >No honest scientists believes my strawman thanks for the info

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:56:44 2020 No.12276296 >>12276286 >my Strawman >>12276170 “But earth science is important for survival in the near future” So climate change isn’t actually a danger, and therefore we shouldn’t pay it much mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:57:31 2020 No.12276299 >>12276286 no such thing as an honest scientist tbf

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:57:47 2020 No.12276300

>>12276279
You are repeating verbatim tried climate change denial lies that are years old.
CO2 is not he only factor that affects plantlife. shifting rainfall patterns and the increased desertification of certain areas are much more detrimental to the ecosystem. Not only that but the terrestrial biosphere has a short residence time for carbon.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:00:18 2020 No.12276308

>>12276279
This, the really severe stuff like complete ocean acidification and mass biosphere dieoffs or deep ocean methane releases have historically only occurred immediately following the eruption of Bassalt Flood volcanoes, events which can take up to a hundred thousand years to finish from their initial erruptions and which burn off stores of deep coal, oil, and methane beyond human reach.
Most of the CO2 and methane released during that mass extinction is now either in the atmosphere currently or sequestered in the ocean and ice caps, and we know for a fact that even with CO2 levels at ten times their current state this sequestered methane will not be released again.
Life was never more abundant on this planet than it was when CO2 levels were around 4000ppm, Earth as of today is a fucking oxygen and CO2 starved lifeless iceball with our anemic 400ppm CO2 levels compared to previos geoloical periods.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:03:16 2020 No.12276318 File: 22 KB, 129x279, what does that even mean.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276300 >climate change denial He didn't deny anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:03:37 2020 No.12276320 >>12276262 I hope they one day come out and detail the progression of the engine. Would be very interesting to understand its evolution

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:04:52 2020 No.12276322

>>12276283
>Prove that a slightly warmer world and a slightly higher sea level would kill people.

This isn't the prevailing hypothesis. It's that the earth is in a warming feedback loop and will be a lot warmer in 2100

It's like if there was a greater than 50% chance a devastating asteroid was going to strike earth and you asked "prove that a near miss would kill people".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:05:49 2020 No.12276325 >>12276300 It's not that simple either, sure some places will desertify but others will become wetter, some even that were pretty dry before hand. Theres also the warming of the arctic that makes life far more lush up there than current day.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:07:32 2020 No.12276335

>>12276256
>Green energy shills are retards who have no idea what they’re talking about and always will be until they concede nuclear reactors must take precedence over shifty windmills.

I agree with this

But I also think that oil shills that think climate change is natural need to concede climate engineering must take precedence over the national debt

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:07:35 2020 No.12276336

>>12276308
This is completely irrelevant since the current planet has a different oceanic and continental configuration and our ecosystem has evolved in a cooler planet for millions of years. Simply putting more CO2 into the atmosphere will not cause the earth to revert back to the Cretaceous, it will cause extinction as we're observing right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:07:42 2020 No.12276337 >>12275587 A rat done bit my sister Nell. (with water on the moon) Her face and arms began to swell. (and water on the moon)

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:08:12 2020 No.12276338

>>12276300
>CO2 is not he only factor that affects plantlife. shifting rainfall patterns and the increased desertification of certain areas are much more detrimental to the ecosystem.

Yet, the world has gotten significantly greener almost everywhere. You can clearly see where desertification is taking place in NASA’s satellite data, but overall the trend is quite positive.

This reminds me of the claim that climate change will make there be more tornados, and models predict more tornados, but actual empirical data shows no evidence of this.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/346/6207/349.full

It also reminds me of the claim that climate change will make there be more droughts, but actual empirical data shows that it makes it rain more and more intensely, at least in America, so for Americans, droughts aren’t that big of a concern.

https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/heavy-downpours-increasing

Which is obvious because, if it’s hotter, water will evaporate quicker, accelerating the rate of the water cycle. Seems like a useful way to supplement irrigation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:08:22 2020 No.12276341 >>12276318 Climate change is treated pretty similarly to the holocaust these days. If you don't unquestionably accept the official narrative 100% you're labeled a denier

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:09:06 2020 No.12276344 >>12276325 >Theres also the warming of the arctic that makes life far more lush up there than current day. anon those processes take hundreds of thousands of years

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:10:25 2020 No.12276346 [DELETED]

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>>12276050
NOOOOO SPACE EXPLORATION HAS TO BE BASED AND REDPILLED AND DA FRICKEN LIBKEKS AND NIGS AND (((JOOS))) HAVE TO HATE IT!! MY WORLDVIEW WILL COLLAPSE IF PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME POLITICALLY DONT HATE MY EPIC HOBBY!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:11:10 2020 No.12276351 >>12276344 Only if you consider only forests to be lush. Very productive scrubland can spread very quickly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:11:29 2020 No.12276353 @12276346 (you)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:11:31 2020 No.12276354 >>12276346 Speaking of Jews, why the fuck does Israel launch stuff into retrograde orbits?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:12:01 2020 No.12276355

>>12276338
The greening of the plants it pretty irrelevant when the ecosystem will go into turmoil and major ecosystem changes kick in.
>if it’s hotter, water will evaporate quicker, accelerating the rate of the water cycle. Seems like a useful way to supplement irrigation.
Cute, but what this actually does is a positive feedback loop with CO2 since water vapor is a powerfull greenhouse gas

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:12:30 2020 No.12276356 >>12276145 Don't you have a zoom class to attend?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:12:42 2020 No.12276357 >>12276354 Dump the rocket stages in the Med rather than over the middle east

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:13:34 2020 No.12276359 File: 221 KB, 1240x786, 4F3ADF72-2BAC-4102-8925-B754D79CC95D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276240 >Climate change is not a threat of any sort. You can go back to your containment shithole now, your time discussing science is over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:14:16 2020 No.12276362 >>12276341 >using classic climate change denial lines from infamous shill Patrick "I can drink Roundup straight out of the bottle and be fine" Moore Not a climate denier

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:15:01 2020 No.12276366 >>12276346 >>12276356 >>12276359 is this one person catching up on the thread and replying to old posts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:15:08 2020 No.12276367 >>12276355 Man you're talking to a retard when this argument gets trotted out. More water vapor also means more clouds, and clouds reflect sunlight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:15:10 2020 No.12276369 >>12276355 >hotter temps >more water vapor >more clouds which reflect like 90% of solar radiation back to space >no more warming until it cools back down Checkmate climautists

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:15:12 2020 No.12276370

>>12276355
>noooo don’t let evolution happen

Ecosystem upsets are pretty irrelevant to us as long as we can keep growing plants and rearing critters. The appeal of environmentalism is largely sentimental.

> Cute, but what this actually does is a positive feedback loop with CO2 since water vapor is a powerfull greenhouse gas

Not a naked factor, because clouds increase albedo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:15:29 2020 No.12276371 File: 17 KB, 508x608, E00F9F45-A4D4-4D87-8C76-E6AE2F6A702F.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276283 >Prove that Venus is uninhabitable >Prove that 2+2=4 >Heh, I really showed (((him)))

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:16:33 2020 No.12276372

>>12276346
It's true that democrat administrations have gib gloves on for space exploration though

I think trump tying space in the public consciousness to the military with the space force was the best thing he ever did for it. "strong military" will always have space at the hip. For decades conservatives will cry NOOO DONT WEAKEN US IN SPACE YOU HATE AMERICA

Of course the left hates space now because its a trump policy, but remember they hate everything trump does and their thoughts don't go any further, so once he's out of office they will quickly forget about it. Instead of the space budget being flatlined every administration it'll pump in and out with a republican president.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:16:37 2020 No.12276373 >>12276325 Permafrost doesn't become black soil just because it's warmer outside, retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:16:50 2020 No.12276374 Speaking of clouds, have you seen the really whispy ones that Triton has? I’m surprised a moon with such an incredibly tenuous atmosphere even has them

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:17:15 2020 No.12276376 >>12276373 It does become soil though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:17:58 2020 No.12276378 >>12276366 seethetarded brainlet

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:20:13 2020 No.12276382 File: 9 KB, 120x120, 1482391707225.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >seethetarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:20:30 2020 No.12276383 >>12276373 >no pests >no weeds >just fertilize and plant seeds Perfect

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:22:24 2020 No.12276389 >>12276354 It would sour political bonds to drop rocket stages on your neighbors

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:23:05 2020 No.12276390 >>12276383 Aren’t there dead petrified forests in Antarctica still laying around visible?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:24:07 2020 No.12276396 >>12276389 Ah. I guess Russia gets away with it in Kazakhstan because the stages fall in Kazakhstan still

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:24:51 2020 No.12276398
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>>12276374
>have you seen the really whispy ones that Triton has?
Never knew about that. Neat
>Before Voyager 2 arrived, a nitrogen and methane atmosphere with a density as much as 30% that of Earth had been suggested. This proved to be a great overestimate
Reality once again is disappointing

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:25:31 2020 No.12276399

>>12276372
Space was always tied to the military, that's one of the big problems. People think we're going to get le epic space marines shooting da evil Chinese when in reality it's just going to be more spy satellites from the NSA launched atop garbage shitrockets from bloated defense contractors like Boeing and Lockheed. The more civilian demand there is for space, the better the missions, the better the rockets, and the better the science.
> Of course the left hates space now because its a trump policy
Not really. People spout the "well why spend money on rockets when people are hungry here" line because they're dumb and think it makes them sound deep and intelligent but that tendency is nothing new. People have been saying it since before the moon landings. The truth is 95% of people don't give two shits about space, left or right, and you can pour as much money as you want into NASA as long as you keep people happy on other fronts. If there wasn't a pandemic and mass unemployment, nobody would care about Trump saying he's gonna build a moon sandcastle.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:26:29 2020 No.12276401
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>>12276367
>>12276369
>>12276370
>ignoring that the forcing from the CO2-Water vapor feedback loop is greater than the cloud albedo forcing
This really basic climate science shit. Why do I have to keep hearing about this on /sci?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:26:46 2020 No.12276403

Imagine basing your opinion on scientificly informed policy based on how well you can hash it out with fags on a chinese basketweaving forum

Your opinions on science could only matter in the days when you could do every single important experiment in your garage, and not a day after. Believe scientific consensus or don't, but don't act like you're qualified to opine on this shit.

Yeah, the scientists can be wrong. But don't pretend armchair climate science is intellectual rigor and you can't be fooled lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:26:47 2020 No.12276402 >>12276383 Are you retarded? Or just intentionally trying to derail the thread because you're a faggot?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:28:49 2020 No.12276406 >>12276401 Nice error bars on cloud albedo faggot

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:28:57 2020 No.12276407

>>12276399
Meant to include
>Look at SpaceX. They're doing so well because they got into this with the goal of civilian missions to space (colonizing Mars), not because they wanted to squeeze some more defensebux from the airforce
At the end of the first section

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:28:59 2020 No.12276408 >>12276403 I'm an actual climate scientist so I am qualified though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:28:59 2020 No.12276409 >>12276403 Okay but can we all agree that people who say shit like “Earth will be on fire” should be whacked on the head?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:30:18 2020 No.12276411 File: 2.91 MB, 1920x1080, 51DDBEF4-1F90-4767-B6E3-337D78E7EBB8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can SöyX fags compete with a beast like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:30:35 2020 No.12276412 >>12276401 >water vapor is anthropogenic >>>/out/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:30:47 2020 No.12276413 >>12276354 They dont want to give missile technology (rocket stages) to their arab neighbours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:30:59 2020 No.12276414 File: 2.88 MB, 1920x1080, FalconHeavy_boosters_landing.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did you guys see this live? What were your thoughts at the time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:31:19 2020 No.12276415 >>12276408 no you're not retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:32:42 2020 No.12276418 >>12276414 "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HOLY FUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIT THIS IS SO COOL!!!!!!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:33:06 2020 No.12276422 >>12276411 >RUDs on pad due to excessive hull vibration

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:33:30 2020 No.12276424 >>12276411 >the 2X year old booster

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:33:48 2020 No.12276426 File: 39 KB, 200x275, paptimus scirocco.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275862 >he doesn't get the reference

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:34:39 2020 No.12276429 >>12276411 >1.000001 TWR

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:34:52 2020 No.12276430 >>12276414 >they put the same camera on twice didn't they And they did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:35:14 2020 No.12276431 File: 117 KB, 1024x576, uh oh sticky.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276414 coom

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:36:23 2020 No.12276433 >>12276378 So yes, it's one worthless poster making empty responses to every post. You could just, not do that, and we'd all be better off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:36:56 2020 No.12276437 >>12276412 Who said it was? What kicks off the feedback loop? Magic or anthropogenic emissions?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:37:38 2020 No.12276439

>human life and resource exploitation is literal cancer, we're the worst, don't dare allow us to despoil dead rocks
>if you don't spend your entire GDP on protecting as many starving africans as possible you're the great evil
How does the left hold these beliefs simultaneously? I love the Earth, which is why I hate T*rrans who would never leave, extracting its resources until the last one chokes to death on their hellish dustball. There's nothing "humanitarian" about being a fucking squatter.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:38:39 2020 No.12276444

>>12276399
I might break this by just asking one question though, after people stopped giving a fuck about the moon, what was driving spending in space? Had the military not been interested I think we wouldn't have hardly anything at all.

I guess you're right that those reactions are so old that it's impossible to give trump credit for them. But that it definitely a left wing reaction because their psychology is all about disaffected groups.

I don't know about giving a shit, but I live below the bible belt and no one is opposed to anything space here and they aren't worried about how much it costs either. It's just background noise and they seem to assume NASA is working on everything and they take progress for granted. Maybe they are too distracted with the budget being spent on social problems and slackers to realize space has been getting the shaft.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:39:53 2020 No.12276447 >>12276439 >How does the left hold these beliefs simultaneously? Cognitive dissonance. The USSR fed all sorts of cancerous ideas into western leftists in the Cold War.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:40:21 2020 No.12276449 [DELETED]

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What is even the point of SpaceX?
With all the money that went into useless junk like Falcon 9/Falcon heavy and the flying watertower, we could have SLS block 2 and orbital fuel depots now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:40:46 2020 No.12276450 File: 74 KB, 1009x1024, uranus devastated massive object.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12275862 >First gas giant to be mined for fuels will be Uranus "BRAAAAAAAAAAAAP"

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:41:04 2020 No.12276452

>>12276409
I think people need to learn the concept of entertaining an idea without "believing" in it. It's required to live in a world that survives on expert opinion that the average person can't possibly verify its veracity. The best you can do is make sure your civilization's experts are impartial and have the resources they need.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:41:06 2020 No.12276453

>>12276371
Venus released all the carbonate in the crust at once as CO2. There are literally hundreds of orders of magnitude difference between anything humans can do on Earth and what happened to Venus. The harder you try to look smart, the stupider you look.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:41:45 2020 No.12276455 >>12276449 >SLS >Fuel Depots these two cannot exist within the same reality

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:41:58 2020 No.12276457 >>12276449 Orbital fuel depots have been sabotaged for decades BECAUSE of SLS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:42:40 2020 No.12276460 File: 17 KB, 236x314, uranus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276450 φανταστείτε τη μυρωδιά

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:42:49 2020 No.12276462 >>12276449 many will hate this brave anon for this post because it's the truth

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:44:33 2020 No.12276463 >>12276453 Poor Venus is so like Earth but had geological problems

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:44:33 2020 No.12276464 File: 42 KB, 1003x900, 234908234098234089.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276411 >compete with breasts like these?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:44:42 2020 No.12276465 >>12276411 >Payload to LEO - 25 tons.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:45:01 2020 No.12276467
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>>12276449
>>12276462
I know it's trolling but I'll post this any time I can.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20170008895
>The most significant improvement, beyond even the improvements of 2-3X times reviewed to here, was in the development of the Falcon 9 launch system, with an estimated improvement at least 4X to perhaps 10X times over traditional cost-plus contracting estimates, about $400 million vs. $4 billion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:45:51 2020 No.12276471 >>12276463 We should probably spend more time studying how an Earth like planet FUCKING EXPLODED FROM THE INSIDE OUT but I guess that's less important than black school lunches

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:46:57 2020 No.12276473 >>12276411 >payload capability roughly 20-21 tons, depends on whether Jeb ate a heavy breakfast or not

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:47:21 2020 No.12276476 File: 122 KB, 728x546, Download (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276455 They could coexist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:47:24 2020 No.12276477 >>12276414 The shot of both rockets landing is probably one of the most iconic videos of the decade. Decades from now people will be using that clip on documentaries about the second space race

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:48:47 2020 No.12276481 >>12276437 >Who said it was? Then why did you post that pic if you knew it was irrelevant? >What kicks off the feedback loop? Nothing "kicks it off" anon, it always works >>12276369

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>>12276477
The idea of launching a car into or it is disgusting, and a waste of money and resources for an advertisement, and some billionaires vanity project
That money could have gone to thousands of better ventures

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:49:44 2020 No.12276484 >>12276476 no>>12276457 fuck SLS and all it represents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:50:34 2020 No.12276486 File: 113 KB, 728x546, Download (3).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276482

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:50:41 2020 No.12276487 >>12276483 You joke but I remember the actual kvetching about how Elon launching his car was "polluting space"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:51:01 2020 No.12276488 >>12276471 This

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:51:42 2020 No.12276490 File: 426 KB, 1730x2000, FalconHeavy_USAFlag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276477 >the second space race Is it going on right now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:52:18 2020 No.12276492 Any of you fellas watchin the Wernher von Braun Memorial Symposium?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:52:28 2020 No.12276493

>>12276483
yes we should defend all the technological project, as they are little more than vanity projects(I mean who needs anything more than food and water to live anyway,what a waste of resources) and give money to whatever the poor people of the month are in order to do the world some good.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:52:30 2020 No.12276494

>>12276401
>>ignoring that the forcing from the CO2-Water vapor feedback loop is greater than the cloud albedo forcing
Climate models have consistently over-estimated water vapor's forcing effect which is why they all objectively fail at predicting the future.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:53:07 2020 No.12276497

>>12276477

>about the second space race

There´s a race going on? I only see one racing and the rest playing catchup at best, cruising at worst.

>>12276483

The car literaly was a mass simulator. Instead of a concrete or metal block, a car with the same weight.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:53:28 2020 No.12276499

>>12276484
>SLC engines have the highest specific impulse of their class
>uses the most advanced technology
>built on much improved and proved cutting edge technology
>fuck SLS and all it represents.
So fuck space exploration and technological progress?
How about no!
>inb4 orange rocket bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:54:20 2020 No.12276502 >>12276499 >>SLC engines have the highest specific impulse of their class For a hydrolox first stage that's like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded. >>inb4 orange rocket bad In during.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:55:09 2020 No.12276504 File: 1.65 MB, 1920x1080, SpaceManGun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How excited are you for Crew-1 Mission?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:55:13 2020 No.12276505 >>12276490 Allegedly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billionaire_space_race

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:55:39 2020 No.12276506 >>12276471 Yeah bro, the federal budget is a linear binary between "black school lunches" and "colonizing space". If only we had committed based and redpilled genocide against the racial groups that annoy you we'd be landing on Jupiter by now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:55:55 2020 No.12276508 >>12276499 >50 year old hydrolox engines and fucking solid boosters >ADVANCED AND CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY lol ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:56:38 2020 No.12276510 File: 236 KB, 664x471, msedge_TyavajsMGC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OH BOY THEY UNHOOKIN HER

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:56:51 2020 No.12276511 >>12276506 You sound perturbed anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:56:59 2020 No.12276512 >>12276499 Yeah, SLS improves upon the Shittle by throwing away the engines instead of reusing them...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:57:04 2020 No.12276513 >>12276502 The advantage of a higher specific impulse over engines burning kerosene or cow farts is huge indeed. That's why it's the ideal fuel for any rocket, like for example SLS or Delta IV heavy.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:57:07 2020 No.12276514
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>>12276506
Look at the amount of money the US spends on entitlements (eurphemisim for gibs). Look at how much the US spends on NASA. We could unironically have colonized the solar system with half the money we spend on the spic-nig cycle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:57:46 2020 No.12276515 >>12276514 Sadly true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:58:39 2020 No.12276518 >>12276506 >Yeah bro, the federal budget is a linear binary between "black school lunches" and "colonizing space". If you took a chunk out of the welfare budget and put it in NASA, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:59:43 2020 No.12276522 File: 2.11 MB, 5568x3712, dsc_2923orig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276499 this thread is starting to get based >greenrun soon fellow SLSbros

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:00:18 2020 No.12276526 >>12276508 These modified SSME engines still have amongst the highest specific impulse of any first stage engines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:00:42 2020 No.12276527 >>12276499 >orange rocket bad this but unironically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:01:25 2020 No.12276528 >>12276526 And they'll be thrown out like a fucking condom with every launch, because "space is hard". That's a regression from Shuttle, which itself was a deeply flawed launch vehicle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:01:50 2020 No.12276531 >>12276506 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:01:52 2020 No.12276532 >>12276522 >greenrun soon fellow SLSbros >2014 >soon

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:02:19 2020 No.12276533

>>12276504

Fairly, it means less pressure on Roscosmos to not fuck up Soyuz launches and gives options should problems arise. I can remember the scare after the Soyuz MS-10 failed, people were worried that the ISS would have to be abandoned.

The opposite for Shitliner though, that piece of shit IS a threat to the ISS itself.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:02:30 2020 No.12276535
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>>12276514
Most "entitlements" are for social security and Medicare, retard. We could fund space exploration much easier by simply diverting a small percentage of the military budget into NASA.
>b-but muh welfare queens!! m-muh epic /pol/tard infographs!!
>>12276511
Not an argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:02:45 2020 No.12276538 >>12276362 Nobody has any idea what you're talking about you schizo loon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:03:22 2020 No.12276539 >>12276510 That took a while.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:03:45 2020 No.12276542 >>12276531 >I don't know how government spending works but I saw a facebook meme about a brown guy getting a free iPhone once, clearly this is the greatest barrier to societal progress

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:03:53 2020 No.12276543 File: 275 KB, 480x271, bobendoug.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276504 very

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:04:12 2020 No.12276545 >>12276542 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:04:28 2020 No.12276546 File: 30 KB, 640x360, sls-70mt-dac3-prelaunch-night-cam-r3-uhr2-640x360.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276532 >2014 oh fugg we're making progress faster than i thought. nothing less from boeing i suppose :)

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:05:19 2020 No.12276550
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>>12276499
>>SLC engines have the highest specific impulse of their class
>>uses the most advanced technology
>>built on much improved and proved cutting edge technology
>Took 10 years to materialize from designs from the 70s
>Still horrifically inefficient and expensive
>Not a single piece of the rocket is reusable
>advanced

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:05:20 2020 No.12276551 File: 162 KB, 700x764, 6C64A032-39EE-48DD-B746-214B0538BD40.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276545 >Yes

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:05:21 2020 No.12276552
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>>12276535
Do you think normal, well adjusted people have a multiple gigabyte folder of poorly drawn caricatures of their chosen boogeyman?

Social security was an unconstitutional failure that won't pay out for anyone younger then 50, and Medicare spends the vast majority of it's funding on diabetic niggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:05:32 2020 No.12276554 >>12276528 Quite the opposite, they learned from the shuttle that re-using the orbiter/booster/engines isn't cost effective.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:06:23 2020 No.12276555 File: 175 KB, 1360x868, B8867668-3111-42B8-A559-C129F88F3459.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276552 >Do you think normal, well adjusted people have a multiple gigabyte folder of poorly drawn caricatures of their chosen boogeyman?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:06:24 2020 No.12276556 >>12276551 This user appears to be an automated spambot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:06:49 2020 No.12276558 File: 34 KB, 480x480, smug boeing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276546 things are finally looking up for us boeingers

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:06:53 2020 No.12276559 >>12276550 If these engines are as bad as you claim, please show me a first stage engine with a higher specific impulse than these.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:07:02 2020 No.12276561 >>12276533 >people were worried that the ISS would have to be abandoned. I remember that. That was fairly close to the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. I was spooked that we'd have no one in space for the anniversary. Thankfully that didn't happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:07:23 2020 No.12276562 File: 2.38 MB, 1738x1043, Reliant_Starship_in_LEO.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276550

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:07:36 2020 No.12276563 >>12276556 And/or "this post is extremely low quality" Spamming/flooding too, since he keeps dumping his soijacks like a 5 year old.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:08:28 2020 No.12276566 >>12276559 >Muh ISP Why make incredibly advanced and expensive engines when you're going to throw them away after a single use?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:08:50 2020 No.12276569 Stop replying to the retard talking about "Muh social programs" he is either a troll or mentally challenged either way giving him attention only brings down the quality of this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:08:57 2020 No.12276570 File: 2.09 MB, 1920x1920, hvtet9to7xp51.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276554 Returning boosters is absolutely cost effective, Shuttle was just a terrible architecture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:10:25 2020 No.12276575 >>12276555 No, I don't. Which is why I struggle to see you as human, much less capable of an argument with any merit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:10:53 2020 No.12276577 >>12276554 No. Reusing spacecraft/boosters/engines isn't cost effective if you intentionally inflate operating costs to have as many jobs as possible. It does work if more lean spending practices were used.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:10:57 2020 No.12276578 >>12276554 Imagine coping like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:10:57 2020 No.12276579 File: 16 KB, 300x243, zubrin_300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i just wanted to say i love all u /sfg/ anons even though you act mega retarded a lot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:11:15 2020 No.12276581 >>12276566 >>12276570 Because recovery and re-certifyication these engines has turned out to be more expensive than just building new engines. At a certain scale engine manufacturing gets a lot cheaper and we have these engines collecting dust anywy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:11:15 2020 No.12276582 >>12276569 >everything else is painfully ironic SLS/hydrolox shills Not sure that's any better

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:11:52 2020 No.12276583 >>12276510 Are they? I can't tell if the cables are slack or not

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:12:03 2020 No.12276584 [DELETED]

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>>12276552
>Social security was an unconstitutional failure
Retarded cuck
> that won't pay out for anyone younger then 50
Because of decades of conservatard cuts trying to undermine the most successful government program in history
>Medicare spends the vast majority of it's funding on diabetic niggers.
Medicare by definition spends all of its money on retirees, the overwhelming majority of whom are white you smooth brained retard.
>NOOOO THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GO TO THE MOON IS IF GRANDMA HAS TO WORK AS A WALMART GREETER TO SURVIVE!! WE CANT JUST NOT GIVE BOEING ANOTHER BILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT TO BLOW UP ARAB CHILDREN!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:12:43 2020 No.12276589 >>12276575 What the fuck are you doing, you don't reply to it retard. Soijackers are below bots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:13:11 2020 No.12276591 >>12276581 >Because recovery and re-certifyication these engines has turned out to be more expensive than just building new engines. Only if recovery and refurbishment were done across as many states as possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:13:17 2020 No.12276592 >>12276556 >>12276563 >mad cus bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:13:40 2020 No.12276594 >>12276581 You have to be batting... this has been proven false already. BY ACTUAL LAUNCHES, RECUPERATIONS AND REFURBISHINGS DONE BY SPACE X

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:14:18 2020 No.12276596 >>12276589 >>12276575 >>12276569 >>12276563 >>12276556 obsessed samefag

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:14:23 2020 No.12276597 File: 77 KB, 693x448, 141881-full.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] please stop fighting, we're family bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:14:54 2020 No.12276598 12276592 >zoomer speak retard troll comfirmed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:14:58 2020 No.12276599 File: 53 KB, 1009x810, 1603317844005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276584 Give it a rest man

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:15:01 2020 No.12276601

>>12276581
Then it just seems that the rocket is flawed to the core, incredibly expensive with no way to reuse even a single piece.
It's just far more likely that SLS will be replaced as soon as Starship becomes human rated, if it even has to, when you could just use the dragon to transport the crew to the Starship

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:15:30 2020 No.12276602 >>12276497 He should have just launched a cage full of leftists as a mass simulator. Maybe next time?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:16:18 2020 No.12276606 This thread is so fucking easy to troll...

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:16:33 2020 No.12276608 >>12276597 I would sell you all out for my own Oneyl cylinder in a heart beat.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:17:06 2020 No.12276612 >>12276599 not an argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:17:43 2020 No.12276617 You know what I'll check back in on what space is doing later I absolutely have better things to do than watch this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:18:08 2020 No.12276619 >>12276612 you don't deserve one

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:18:11 2020 No.12276620 File: 156 KB, 970x728, Super_MOD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why was it so cute?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:18:46 2020 No.12276621 File: 147 KB, 642x522, PngItem_5991841.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276617

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:18:58 2020 No.12276624

>>12275730
who gives a shit, other politicians could have done what they did and cut programs but he publically pushes it.
Youre you going bitch and cry when biden kills space force and the chorus of idiots grows louder to shelf NASA for more gibs.
fucking idiot

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:19:10 2020 No.12276625
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>>12276481
The feedback loop is hardly irrelevant.
Anthropogenic CO2 gets the planet hotter allowing for more water vapor to be in the atmosphere getting it hotter. The accelerating feedback loop is happening because we're actively making the planet hotter. It's a result of the properties of CO2 and water but we're the ones precipitating that effect.
>>12276494
Why do you people think you can wilfully lie about well established things and not get called out? Are you all children? I love spaceX but these threads attract too many retards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:19:14 2020 No.12276626 File: 14 KB, 560x191, 145t13451.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276596

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:20:45 2020 No.12276632 >>12276625 >zero sources >unlabeled axes ok retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:21:58 2020 No.12276636 >>12276611 This thread would be rather boring without some occasional trolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:22:26 2020 No.12276638 >>12275983 >dude its just some weirdos who want to be called xer and non binary get made national policy under the threat of jail time cuz of hate speech. idiots like you never take shit seriously then wonder why the world is getting more retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:22:43 2020 No.12276639 >>12276632 Do you have a mental disability? It's right there in the image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:23:54 2020 No.12276644 >>12276625 >charts stop in 2000 Let's see some more recent data.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:24:34 2020 No.12276648 >>12276619 refer to >>12276612

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:25:23 2020 No.12276654 >>12276535 >Just give up on controlling China and Russia instead of giving less free money to useless retirees

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:25:39 2020 No.12276655 >>12276638 yeah 16 year old tumblr users are the ones in charge of Congress you're right

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:26:18 2020 No.12276657 File: 314 KB, 1536x1244, 1593431038024.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276644

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:26:25 2020 No.12276658 >>12276551 >Trying to push the old Chinese guy wojak still

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:26:51 2020 No.12276659 >>12276644 It clearly goes past 2000 retard

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:27:53 2020 No.12276665

>>12276355
>The greening of the plants it pretty irrelevant when the ecosystem will go into turmoil and major ecosystem changes kick in.

so what is the solution ultimately, the climate nuts are essentially talking about locking the climate of the earth FOREVER.
I simply dont see how that is a feasible long term solution.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:27:55 2020 No.12276666 >>12276654 >he thinks "controlling Russia and China" is possible or desirable fuck off neocon shill

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:28:16 2020 No.12276667 >>12276657 https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20200109/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:29:05 2020 No.12276670 >>12276644 Yes the 100-year ongoing exponential temperature increase that correlates to human greenhouse emissions might have completely flattened in the last 20 years for some reason, we need more data, good point anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:29:12 2020 No.12276671 >>12276657 Why are they so inaccurate and shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:29:38 2020 No.12276673 File: 421 KB, 1440x720, A5728E9B-697E-494E-9248-8FDAB9823E0C.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276658 cope, it's what you look like and you know it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:30:13 2020 No.12276675 >>12276670 Please never use the word “exponential” again

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:30:50 2020 No.12276677 >>12276675 I will continue to use it exponentially

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:32:38 2020 No.12276681 >>12276486 >>12276482 wouldnt you need to have a much much large set of fuel depots to make sense. I mean i guess depending on the space economy it will expand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:33:07 2020 No.12276684 >>12276673 GO back to /pol/ or /lefypol/ you nigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:33:23 2020 No.12276686 >>12276673 Whatever helps you sleep at night

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:37:21 2020 No.12276697
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>>12274197
in the anime planetes you had a group who were anti-space-

per the manga/animes wiki:
Space Defense Front is a terrorist organization that believes mankind is exploiting space without first curing global problems such as mass famine and the widened socio-economic divide on Earth.

One of the reason i think these people with these ideas should not be considered a laughing matter. Eventually one day one of them will find their way unto a rocket platform and sabotage it and probably cause kessler syndrome on purpose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:38:53 2020 No.12276706 >>12276697 >We should take them seriously because uh an anime

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:41:04 2020 No.12276712

>>12276625
You're just repeating the same thing. Higher average temps will cause more water vapor and more clouds which will reflect excess solar energy back to space before it can be captured by greenhouse effect, thus stabilizing the temperature. There's no getting around this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:42:54 2020 No.12276717 >>12276712 If that were true, it should be readily observable in global temperature and that's not the case. Cloud albedo forcing is not as strong as greenhouse forcing.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:43:51 2020 No.12276718

>>12276706
They have fucked with space funding already. Their pull on politicians combine with the fall of the ussr made the space exploration dark ages happen. The "focus on earth first" people are even in this general made specifically for people who want to speak about space exploration.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:44:27 2020 No.12276720

>>12276706
im only give the example of what they can evolve into

you should take them seriously because these faggots control culture and politicians dont want to be against the culture. You see how many likes seth got. Just like you dont poll every simple person but a sample the same could be said of Twitter, it might not be America but its possibly a good representation of Americas mindset on certain things even if its just a mindset of a particular side a side who has enormous cultural power.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:47:24 2020 No.12276727 >>12276718 No they aren’t lol That’s trolls.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:47:34 2020 No.12276729

>>12276718
ppl like the anon youre responding to, honestly want to wait till its bad before they take it seriously, but by then it will be way way way too late.
Hopefully elon gets far ahead with starlink that he can tell these people to go fuck themselves and fund missions from china for all i care. Bezos taking his sweet time with blue origin worries me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:48:35 2020 No.12276733 >>12276727 WHY ARE YOU BEING THIS NAIVE?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:50:29 2020 No.12276736 >>12276720 No one uses Twitter

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:51:45 2020 No.12276741 >>12276733 Why are you so concerned with what retards say on Twitter lol The military-industrial-complex is your friend,

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:51:52 2020 No.12276742 >>12276736 Majority of people are ambivalent at best towards spaceflight regardless of their twitter usage

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:51:55 2020 No.12276743 >>12276717 >it should be readily observable It is, the temperature increase is pretty consistent with CO2 and not in actual runaway

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:52:04 2020 No.12276744 >>12276736 Laws are being put into place based on what Twitter says.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:52:09 2020 No.12276745 >>12276736 jesus christ youre a fucking moron

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:55:41 2020 No.12276754 >>12276736 delusional zionist ""social"" ""media"" owns an ever so growing amout of political and social leverage on the masses

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:56:39 2020 No.12276756 https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/10-facts-about-americans-and-twitter/ Stop worshipping Twitter shit lol

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:59:20 2020 No.12276760

>>12276745
He is right about that, only something like 20% of people in the US (the only important country) are on Shitter, but only 2% of that 20% post more regularly than perfunctory updates to their bio and relationship statuses. IE, the opinionated bitching retards are only a tiny fraction of the population.
What is true is that the people who RUN Shitter have enormous political power, regardless of the fact that their website is slowly dying.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:00:42 2020 No.12276762

>>12276720
>representation of Americas mindset on certain things
Twitter actively suppresses opinions they disagree with. They shut off the curation algorithms one day last year and the top three trends were Trump, America, Jesus, each with millions of posts. Things like the shit you're panicking about are the promoted opinions of the website owners, total astro turf.

>>12276744
wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:03:34 2020 No.12276767 >>12275271 How are they gonna keep all their cryo propellant from boiling off?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:05:41 2020 No.12276770

>>12276506
Unironically yes. As a geologist I would prefer a society that valued studying venus as an analog and giving me a badass job instead of focusing on muh climate satellites that waste money and do nothing, and stripping the rest of spaceflight budget into beggars and gypsies. The perfect society would be one where equality and respect is gained through science and exploration and the contributions you could provide- not through intrinsic “human value” which does not exist regardless of your skin color. No lives matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:07:52 2020 No.12276774 >>12276552 This post is fucking based

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:09:02 2020 No.12276776 File: 211 KB, 993x745, e5bb7658887578edc3521276a8cef5b4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276770 Based autistic rock man, here's a nice looking rock for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:11:18 2020 No.12276781 >>12276762 >wrong yup youre delusional

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:11:24 2020 No.12276782

>>12276506
>Yeah bro, the federal budget is a linear binary between "black school lunches" and "colonizing space".
If government entitlement programs were restricted to whites only the US would never run a deficit again at current taxation levels.
>If only we had committed based and redpilled genocide against the racial groups that annoy you we'd be landing on Jupiter by now.
Jupiter's moons by the 70s, every planet by now. Your attempt at sarcastic hyperbole actually understates the magnitude of theft we've suffered.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:11:54 2020 No.12276784 >>12276770 >agreeing to a retarded false dichotomy is smart because I say it is

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:13:29 2020 No.12276789
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>>12276776
Thanks fren I'm actually trying to calculate the stretch factor of some underground faults as we speak. I want to see the geology of Mars with my own eyes so so so badly

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:15:06 2020 No.12276791 >>12276776 Holy shit that’s beautiful

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:16:15 2020 No.12276794 >>12276784 >agreeing to a retarded false dichotomy is smart because I say it is Unironically yes

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:16:36 2020 No.12276795
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>>12276770
Geologist man, how did you get interested in the field?
When I took earth science back in high school I wanted to like it. I really did. But I just didn't care.
Then in college I steered clear of the class.

I want to like it but it puts me to sleep.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:17:30 2020 No.12276798

>>12276770
im hoping and praying for a pendulum swing in society. Alot of these anti-space people could be thanos snapped from existance and Not only would the earth improve but the tensions between races would likely improve as well.
They are that much a waste of oxygen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:19:36 2020 No.12276802 >>12276770 As a geologists myself you really should learn some empathy

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:19:51 2020 No.12276803

>>12276760
>only something like 20% of people in the US (the only important country) are on Shitter,
youre basically saying polling and surveys are pointless(bro you only polled 1000 random people not the entire population). Twitter is a sample set of society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:20:06 2020 No.12276806 >>12276781 >twitter obsessed newfag thinks anyone cares about his cancer Go back.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:20:38 2020 No.12276808
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>>12276789
Noice, I don't know much about geology but it's certainly more interesting than enviro-sci fags bitching about cars and "muh aminals, muh polar bears muhfugga". Geology might even be more relevant to climate science anyways, since much of Earf's GHG supply is locked up in rock and only released during flood volcanism, and flood volcanism coincides with almost all of the largest mass extinctions and major biosphere changes.
Speaking of which, I'd certainly like to know what in Mars' geology lends itself so incredibly well to the formation of ultra sized shield volcanoes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:21:00 2020 No.12276810 >>12276535 fags will try to argue but this anon is correct. It'd be a lot easier to just demand more military contribution from allies and start pulling bloated contracts away from LM, NG, Boing, etc. But that will never ever happen.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:21:23 2020 No.12276812

>>12276795
Umm my dad was a geology major but I grew up thinking it was gay. I finished all my science courses early in high school and senior year we HAD to still take a science course so I took geology because it was known as the blowoff course full of freshman. Ended up changing my fucking life. Jack Schmitt came in and gave a talk one day and it awoke some severe autism in my brain. It all depends on who teaches it really- the same could be said for any course. I had the worst chemistry teachers all my life but now I do mostly geochem and I really wish I got into it in high school. My teacher was just a really really smart guy who could communicate well. Every lesson was like being in front of sagan or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:21:30 2020 No.12276813 File: 80 KB, 550x638, 1603660514113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >all these edgy larpers wishing for genocide because they're not getting what they want

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:23:31 2020 No.12276818

>>12276803
Good samples require at the minimum at least 2% of a population group to yield clear results. 2% of 20% is not 2% of the entire US population, it's .004%. The entire politically active portion of Twitter that isn't shadowbanned or kicked from the site only represent even a fraction of the margin of error on population censuses, if they didn't have a """popular""" internet platform to whinge on which was publicly viewable, you would have difficulty verifying that these people even exist.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:24:15 2020 No.12276821
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>>12276812
Yeah, I guess people underestimate what a bad teacher does to you. My teacher was boring.
Do you have a masters degree? How far did you take your education? And what is your job?

You're always on here talking about how you want to meet him but you already have?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:24:24 2020 No.12276822
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>>12276784
It's not false at all though. The funny thing is that now they're beginning to demand reparations on top of what they've already been given over the past century or so. When that happens you can kiss even the meager amount of missions NASA cobbles together goodbye. Economic equality always comes at the expense of the productive group(s)

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:25:09 2020 No.12276825

>>12276802
It was more of an exaggerated take for comedic value lmao. NASA's budget is fine where it is although things like DoD money could and should be diverted to spaceflight, even if it's just like 0.0001%. I have empathy I just put on the mask when posting here sometimes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:25:53 2020 No.12276826 >>12276821 This guy votes for trump.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:26:21 2020 No.12276829 >>12276808 >Speaking of which, I'd certainly like to know what in Mars' geology lends itself so incredibly well to the formation of ultra sized shield volcanoes. No plate tectonics. Volcanos just keep cooming in place forever.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:26:39 2020 No.12276830

>>12276813
>less money to welfare program that do not seem to work in the long run, being instead diverted to R&D which will give us both new technologies and increase mankind's grasp into the universe as a whole.
>genocide
I keep falling for the bait this is the last one you fucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:26:50 2020 No.12276831 >>12276802 Empathy for people outside of your ingroup is a defect.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:27:03 2020 No.12276832

>>12276808
>Speaking of which, I'd certainly like to know what in Mars' geology lends itself so incredibly well to the formation of ultra sized shield volcanoes.
IIRC it's a lack of plate tectonics. If the Pacific plate wasn't moving then all those volcanic archipelagoes on Earth would just be really big single shield volcanoes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:27:52 2020 No.12276833 >>12276803 >youre basically saying polling and surveys are pointless Yes

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:28:08 2020 No.12276834

>>12276825
>NASA's budget is fine where it is although things like DoD money could and should be diverted to spaceflight, even if it's just like 0.0001%.
I know this is what most people want but I'd be worried that any serious increase in NASA's budget would ultimately end up being wasted on more bloated projects like SLS or JWST

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:28:55 2020 No.12276835 >>12276813 >Less welfare is genocide Weak bait.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:29:34 2020 No.12276836
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>>12276829
>>12276832
Shit. ffffFUCK plates for grinding up all the cool super-ancient geology. Magnetosphere ain't free, ocean floor gotta be litter'd with all the cool old plate formations.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:30:14 2020 No.12276837

>>12276821
I skipped my masters and I'm currently earning my phd. I know there's another anon who talks about wanting to meet him, he isn't me. I "met" him once but I haven't met him... aside from asking a question. I want to meet him as well and have a long talk about the best way to utilize my doctorate degree after I graduate

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:32:30 2020 No.12276842

>>12276837
>I skipped my masters and I'm currently earning my phd.
Fucking hell, good for you, anon.
I washed out of my masters program and ended up with a job not even slightly related to my field (computer engineering).
>. I know there's another anon who talks about wanting to meet him
Oh, sorry for assuming.
>best way to utilize my doctorate degree after I graduate
We're in the nuspace era. You might just get the Venus wish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:34:29 2020 No.12276846 >>12275609 365s ISP with Kerolox what? What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:37:08 2020 No.12276850 >>12276499 >Highest ISP Kind of pointless to brag about for a core stage that isn't powerful enough to lift off the ground without shit ISP solids lmao If you include SRBs into the formula for ISP suddenly that first stage is way less efficient

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:38:04 2020 No.12276851 >>12276822 >NOOOO LOCKHEED NEEDS ANOTHER CONTRACT TO DUMP SHIT INTO THE OCEAN YOU CANT TAKE THE MONEY FROM THEM >>12276826 No he didn't retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:40:07 2020 No.12276854 >>12276846 >365s ISP with Kerolox what? What the fuck? Oxygen rich combustion cycle with oxygen providing the regenerative cooling. It's probably an absolute nightmare from a metallurgy standpoint to make the engine work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:40:15 2020 No.12276855 File: 188 KB, 550x550, 1574273604626.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why did they make the raptor the size it is? Seems like SpaceX favors small engines while most others like big ones. What's the deal there?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:40:59 2020 No.12276856 >>12276846 They must be working at an extremely high chamber pressure. Merlin 1D-Vac hits 348s at 9.7 MPA, this engine must be up around 10+

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:41:34 2020 No.12276857

>>12276855
>why did they make the raptor the size it is? Seems like SpaceX favors small engines while most others like big ones. What's the deal there?

SpaceX is optimizing for packing density and chamber pressure for higher specific impulse and flow rates, without compromising on specific impulse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:42:13 2020 No.12276859 >>12276830 >that do not seem to work in the long run >if I ignore proof I win Social security is literally the largest welfare program in the country and has been wildly effective at eradicating Eder poverty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:43:39 2020 No.12276863 >>12276854 I guess it not being reusable makes things simpler. Just has to not implode for a few seconds

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:46:37 2020 No.12276875 >>12276859 Eliminate elders.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:46:42 2020 No.12276876 >>12276859 >Social security is literally the largest welfare program in the country and has been wildly effective at eradicating Eder poverty KEK

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:47:46 2020 No.12276879

>>12276855
>>12276857
SpaceX optimizes for reuse. And in order to reuse, you need to land, and in order to land, you need to balance thrust of the engine to throttling ability to weight of the rocket with the size of the engine with how many you can pack on a rocket.

This is why that Russian "Original Rocket Do Not Steal" with it's engine layout as laid out in the plans will not work for one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:48:17 2020 No.12276880 >>12276876 Not an argument >>12276875 It'd be easier and much more cost effective to just eliminate you.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:48:30 2020 No.12276882

>>12276855
Small engines can (generally) produce higher ISP and don't have as much trouble with combustion instability, they are (generally) cheaper and faster to manufacture per-unit. If Raptor were equally complex but twice as large with twice the thrust it would have worse TWR because of the expansion of turbomachinery and it would cost more than twice as much to manufacture, as well as having substantial problems with supersonic flow separation and thus with bell resonance combustion instability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:53:26 2020 No.12276894 >>12276854 >>12276856 Imagine an expendable upper stage methalox engine pushing it to the maximum like this hnnnngh that'd be based as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:53:27 2020 No.12276895 >>12276859 >Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities is literally one of the largest investment firms in the country and has been wildly effective at providing returns to their earliest investors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:55:48 2020 No.12276900 >>12276895 >thing a is the same as thing z because i managed to put them in the same sentence

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:56:03 2020 No.12276903
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>Mfw kicked out of Uni Pre-Medicine program and now suspended for a week
Bro’s...becoming a doctor was my plan for going to space. What do I do now? I’m thinking about joining Air Force Space Command/Space Force and working with satellites or something instead.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:56:14 2020 No.12276904

>>12276855
Big engines = more gass moving fast through larger pieces of metal and tubes
Which introduces all sorts of problems with reuse and reliability
Also big engines have more thrust, which makes landing harder since empty rockets are light as fuck and don't need super powerful engines to land

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:57:28 2020 No.12276907 >>12276880 Not everything is an argument, you seething troll

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:58:29 2020 No.12276910 >>12276903 >>Mfw kicked out of Uni Pre-Medicine program and now suspended for a week What the FUCK did you do, anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:59:05 2020 No.12276911 >>12276900 Explain how social security is not a ponzi scheme protip: you can't

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:02:04 2020 No.12276917

>>12276910
I’m on the wrestling team. Anyways I was out walking when I heard someone say “HEY ANON!” Turns out its one of my friends. I walked up to him and we did that weird handshake thing and right after I said:
>”Goddamn you have some faggot hands you dago piece of Irish shit.”
We laughed about it and went our merry way. Little did I know that the head of the Gay alliance or some shit was right there (oops) and I got called into the Deans office a week later on charges of “Racism and Homophobia.” Funny thing is though that I’m fucking Mexican wtf?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:02:47 2020 No.12276918 >>12276917 what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:03:42 2020 No.12276921 >>12276910 TELL THEM YOU'RE GAY, they will 100% be less harsh if you lie and say you're gay/bisexual lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:06:15 2020 No.12276929 >>12276917 leave a resignation letter and call everyone there a niggerfaggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:06:16 2020 No.12276930 >>12276921 Lmao no but that’s a good idea. >>12276918 I legit got in trouble for not kneeling during the national anthem. My dad and brother are cops/veterans. Fuck you im standing. This is supposed to be a ((Catholic)) school too

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:06:25 2020 No.12276932 >>12276917 The fuck? I'm pretty gay myself and sometimes curse like that. Who gets genuinly offended about that shit to the point where people get kicked from university?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:06:52 2020 No.12276933 >>12276930 >This is supposed to be a ((Catholic)) school too How the fuck does a Catholic school not expel unrepentant sinners?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:08:28 2020 No.12276939 Theres no reason to not genocide South-America and turning it into a wildlife preserve.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:09:46 2020 No.12276941
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>>12276917
This is the office of the CEO of Racism, Homophobia and Based LLC, we're extremely impressed with your work Anon and would like to inform you that we're interested in a partnership.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:11:08 2020 No.12276945 >>12276911 >defend my deranged conspiracy theory or you're wrong >>12276907 kill yourself retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:11:49 2020 No.12276946 >>12276851 >No he didn't retard. He certainly appears on Fox news and shits on global warming a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:12:33 2020 No.12276948 >>12276917 >>12276930 >implying any of this happened and you're not a 28 year old NEET LARPing on an anime space girl website

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:12:50 2020 No.12276950

>>12276932
You haven't been in a university recently have you?
I dropped out earlier in life and I joined in recently to continue my education and it's crazy.
I fell sorry for you non fag gays, because the other ones are running people out of good ill fast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:13:34 2020 No.12276952 >>12276946 Gene Cernan is dead you retarded faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:13:52 2020 No.12276954 >>12276939 Please do it, and fast, it all needs to burn. >.t south american.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:16:36 2020 No.12276959
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>>12276948
Pic is me. I am just curious as to wheather or not doing Air Force SC or Space Force will get me closer to satellites or not.

>>12276933
This school is horrible politically correct. The only reason I went to college at all was to be a doctor. Also this college in particular was mostly paid off because
1) Good grades in high school
2) Great entrance letter
3) Minority student (lol)

Last I’m gonna talk about it because I don’t want to derail the thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:18:25 2020 No.12276962 >>12276959 hot. thanks for the jerk off material anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:19:33 2020 No.12276964 File: 3.16 MB, 2500x1686, CernanSchmitt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276952 ...t-that isn't Cernan.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:20:04 2020 No.12276965

>>12276950
>You haven't been in a university recently have you?
Due to 'rona it's all online now, but I'm not from the US and in a rather non-SJW field.
>it's crazy.
Where I live they just started to use weird words because normal words aren't inclusive enough somehow.
Though that language isn't english, so you might not have heared about that kind of crazy stuff...
>I fell sorry for you non fag gays, because the other ones are running people out of good ill fast.
The main problem I see is that the fags are the only realy visible gays, we normal gays/bisexuals are kind of invisible so people think we're the minority.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:20:37 2020 No.12276966 >>12276959 >no body hair >claims to be a minority but whiter than me what are you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:22:08 2020 No.12276972 >>12276917 If the school receives tax dollars they cannot suspend you. They can prevent you from joining programs but you still have free speech at college. You'll wanna get in touch with the ACLU - anonymously at first - see what they say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:22:36 2020 No.12276976 >>12276966 Mexicans are mystery meat

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:22:50 2020 No.12276977 File: 770 KB, 828x1613, 068F630B-8D3F-40DF-897C-152858200377.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276964 Wow you are retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:23:58 2020 No.12276980 >>12276977 Mate, read his name tag. It's clearly not Cernan. His eyes and hair aren't even the right color.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:24:14 2020 No.12276981 >>12276966 Ever heard of waxing? Body hair is degenerate

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:28:06 2020 No.12276994 >>12276959 >This is the person giving fit ess advice on /fit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:28:24 2020 No.12276995 File: 378 KB, 1357x628, Bodyhair_map_according_to_American_Journal_of_Physical_Anthropology_and_other_sources.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12276981 No thanks. People without body hair look weird.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:29:01 2020 No.12276997 Slow day eh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:29:39 2020 No.12277000 SN8 standing on it's own, has been for some time. Crane moving out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:30:15 2020 No.12277002 AAAAAA THEY ARE REMOVING THE NOSECONE!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:31:35 2020 No.12277006 >>12276857 >>12276879 >>12276882 >>12276904 thanks, anons. The points about smaller being better for landing, reuse, and the implications of larger turbomachinery in particular are great points.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:31:49 2020 No.12277009 >>12277002 we got too cocky SN8 bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:32:19 2020 No.12277011 >>12276981 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:32:56 2020 No.12277015 >>12277002 NOOOOO AHHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:36:26 2020 No.12277020 >>12277015 >>12277009 no...?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:36:43 2020 No.12277022

>>12277006
Just look at the re-entry procedure for the F9, 3 engines to slow it down re-entering the atmosphere to protect as well as slow it down, then one engine to land it. If F9 had 5 larger engines, they would need to be able to throttle much lower than the current ~40% possible on the Merlins.

It's all a balancing act.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:38:58 2020 No.12277028 >>12277000 >>12277002 the duality of anon hop imminent

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:39:12 2020 No.12277030 >>12276995 >most of the US is in the 56% band

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:39:12 2020 No.12277031 File: 44 KB, 593x601, 123514365.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12277020 I WANT CONE!!!!

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:40:16 2020 No.12277033

>>12277022
>It's all a balancing act.
imo this is the beautiful thing about rocket engineering. It's all a gigantic exchange of tradeoffs. No 100$% correct approach. The people who can navigate it all and do it well are extremely impressive.

>>12276917
Turn that woke shit against them and claim you were let go because they hate mexicans? Some places would probably run the story if you wanted to make them miserable. Yeah tho woke white people don't actually give two shits about minority wellbeing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:40:18 2020 No.12277034 >>12277030 Those numbers are for american indians.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:41:22 2020 No.12277040 >>12277034 Doubtful, considering that it's the same band the UK is in, and the higher body hair band in the northeast corresponds to the area of most Mediterranean immigration.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:44:16 2020 No.12277050

>>12277006
This >>12277022 and Merlin is notable for being able to throttle *really* deep for a primary engine, many large engines (notably the F1) had no initial throttling capability at all, or in other words, they operated at close to 100% power from the second of ignition. This is fine for expendable boosters because the engines aren't turning back on again or doing anything else, except slamming into the ocean at near-supersonic speeds. Reusable rocket engines are by the nature of their function required to be substantially more flexible in their regime of firing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:44:20 2020 No.12277051 >>12276959 pls post moar

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:44:45 2020 No.12277052 >>12277020 no nosecone means no hop no hop means no orbit no orbit means no hope its over /sfg/bros...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:49:57 2020 No.12277065 >>12277050 Sadly this means we'll never get those cheap F-1B boosters since even a cheap expendable rocket costs more than a reusable Starship stack flight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:54:09 2020 No.12277075 >>12277065 Don't lose hope, I'm sure some weave of parachutes could save an F-1B core stage if NASA really wanted it

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:55:17 2020 No.12277081

>>12277065
Well, if rockets get to really gargantuan sizes (like 18m Starship) then Raptors really won't be able to cut it anyone, so many of them would be needed for a first stage booster that even if they were 99.9% reliable the chances of one having a catastrophic failure would be close to guaranteed. At that point a new very large form factor deep throttling booster would need to be designed.
One benefit of improved manufacturing does seem to be a reduction in turbomachinery size, Raptor's pumps are quite petite and even if you increased it's size into F1 ranges, like the F-1B it's turbopumps would benefit in reductions to size and complexity thanks to modern manufacturing and material science. You'd probably need something like 24 F1 sized engines to hoist an 18m Superheavy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:55:48 2020 No.12277084 >>12273868 who knew /sfg/ was filled with so many homos

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:56:51 2020 No.12277087 >>12277084 Being gay for recreational purposes is superior.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:57:05 2020 No.12277089 >>12277084 I knew we had one when i saw you posting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:57:23 2020 No.12277091 >>12277081 >You'd probably need something like 24 F1 sized engines to hoist an 18m Superheavy. >24 F1 sized engines IMAGINE THE THROOST

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:58:04 2020 No.12277094 >>12277084 Based on todays shitshow it really doesn't surprise me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:58:09 2020 No.12277095 >>12277084 One more now that you're here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:00:24 2020 No.12277100 >>12276965 >we normal gays This is such bullish lol stop being an uncle Tom for the straights. They constantly flaunt their sexuality so why can't we?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:00:58 2020 No.12277102

>>12277091
It would be like an even bigger Nova, you might even be forced to use Kero/LOX for the first stage simply to achieve the raw thrust output needed to lift it, so it's first stage engines might be more like giant Merlins, as opposed to giant Raptors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:06:14 2020 No.12277114 Slow day since the raptors ate their turbopumps or pogo oscillation fucked them up

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:09:26 2020 No.12277120 >>12277114 They're reinstalled already and 600whos are on suicide watch

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:12:09 2020 No.12277125

>>12277100
Just letting you know that you personally disgust me and for what is worth I came to increasingly hate you fags exactly because of your "Public displays of affection" WHICH NOBODY ELSE DOES!!!! Deeptroathing people in the middle of the bus is not fucking ok. NO matter you preferences.
Keep your sexual acts to yourself and nobody gives a shit you disgusting abomination.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:12:43 2020 No.12277126

>>12277120
The sweet thing about Raptors is that they're built to be easy to disassemble and maintain, so even if one does chew up it's turbomachinery, they can just ship it back to the factory, rip the whole turbo assembly off, slap a new one on and it should be good to go. Old turbomachinery goes in a bin out back which Jeff Who? dumpster dives in to figure out how to build a MethaLOX rocket that doesn't suck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:14:18 2020 No.12277129 >>12277125 >no one kisses or holds hands in public Ok anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:15:35 2020 No.12277132 >>12277100 There is a difference between kissing your BF in public and running around in weird fetisch gear.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:15:51 2020 No.12277133 >>12277126 There was never anything broken on them to begin with and no one would have thought so if not for some NSF chicken littles

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:15:53 2020 No.12277134 >>12277126 Raptors are amazingly resilient. SN5’s raptor lives through a hurricane. Wtf?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:17:00 2020 No.12277137 >>12277125 There is a quite significant difference between two guys kissing and a blowjob in public, you moron.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:17:43 2020 No.12277140

>>12277129
Kissing and holding hands in public is not equivalent to wearing a leotard with thirty dildos glued to it and throwing money at underage boys doing stripper dances .
If all rainbow sexuality people did was kiss and hold hands in public like everyone else nobody would give a shit about any of you and would leave you alone. Just like how it is normal to talk to other people using your voice but it is abnormal to walk up to someone and scream directly into their ear at the top of your lungs. If you do the former everyone treats you normally, if you do the latter everyone will grow to hate your presence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:20:02 2020 No.12277146 >>12277140 The fuck are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:21:09 2020 No.12277148 >>12277132 >>12277137 Straights eat eachother out in public at the beach in spring break and Mardi Gras why is is only bad when some gay weirdos do it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:22:11 2020 No.12277154 >>12277137 Yeah, I'm sure you see scores of gays blowing eachother in public every day

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:22:16 2020 No.12277155 >>12277148 because gay people are gross

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:24:12 2020 No.12277158 >>12277148 Mardi-Gras is fucking nasty and I hate being subjected to it every year, the retarded shit that drunk and/or high tourists and locals get up to is just as objectionable as fag pride parades.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:24:39 2020 No.12277161

>>12277148
>why is is only bad when some gay weirdos do it?
Maybe that's only me, but I consider having sex in public more than a little weird regardless of it beeing between a man and a woman or two men.
>>12277154
Unless that "public" is the gay bathhouse or something, I have yet to see that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:31:07 2020 No.12277174 Just end this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:31:35 2020 No.12277176 >>12277084 >he thinks straightoids will exist in a space-faring civilization Men with men, women with women. Simple as.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:31:35 2020 No.12277177 a bloo bloo bloo

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:33:28 2020 No.12277181 >>12277125 have sex incel

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:33:34 2020 No.12277182 >>12277176 haha but like can you imagine wanting to be with both haha

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:34:00 2020 No.12277185 >>12277174 nah keep it going its been good so far

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:35:20 2020 No.12277191 >>12277158 Have you ever even been to a pride parade? The worst I've ever seen were shirtless guys wearing speedos. The Folsom street fair isn't a pride parade btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:35:21 2020 No.12277194 sexual preference is a jewish invention, testosterone makes you want to fuck everything including rockets

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:35:38 2020 No.12277195 STAGING ALERT: NEW THREAD: >>12277187 >NEW THREAD: >>12277187 NEW THREAD: >>12277187 >NEW THREAD: >>12277187 NEW THREAD: >>12277187

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:36:50 2020 No.12277201 >>12277182 Impossibly based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 22:08:08 2020 No.12277298 >>12276959 Nice titties

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 22:15:22 2020 No.12277312 >>12276966 Mexicans are either as crispy as taco shells or are as pale as tortillas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 22:20:55 2020 No.12277330 >>12277312 What do their buttholes look like?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 22:49:07 2020 No.12277389

>>12275896
>wrought iron
You know they don't make that anymore, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrought_iron#Decline
>>12276414
>What were your thoughts at the time?
"Someone fucked up and put one downward camera on both quarters."
They've done three so far right? I don't think the other two were as synchronized as this one, it's still one of the most kino things ever to happen with rocketry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:32:31 2020 No.12277483 >>12276981 Waxing is degenerate. Body hair is sexy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:48:38 2020 No.12277514 >>12276414 Yes and COOOOOM

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:50:28 2020 No.12277520 >>12276403 My public policy is to get the best of the best off planet and then drop rocks on earth until every remaining human is exterminated, so no I don't really care about muh science.

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