/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.12270471]

This was the only space-related picture on my work laptop edition.

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[Anonymous No.12270477]

YEET

[Anonymous No.12270478]

>>12270471
Also, how many Starlink satellites does the most recent launch put us up to? I've totally lost track.

[Anonymous No.12270480]

>>12270471
>tfw made new thread but an endless captcha kept me from posting it
I am sick of crosswalks and motorcycles and traffic lights lads

[Anonymous No.12270485]

If it looks like a water tower, then it's probably a water tower :)

[Anonymous No.12270487]

>Here's your space station bro

[Anonymous No.12270490]

>>12270485
So it's definitely an XM-64-II then.

[Anonymous No.12270491]

>>12270485
Why would you post a water tower in a spaceflight thread?

[Anonymous No.12270492]

>>12270480
I'm sorry that Alphabet's algorithms think you're more exploitable for their machine learning datasets. I haven't needed to identify a bridge in weeks.

[Anonymous No.12270493]

>>12270487
>Here's your space station bro

[Anonymous No.12270497]

>>12270471
I'm actually honored that some of you guys saved and repost the OC I've made for this general (I made the original graphic explaining how Falcon Heavy launching a series of dirt-cheap hypergolic kick stages can get 50 ton payloads into low Lunar orbit for a few hundred million dollars less than a single SLS flight, which only gets ~20 tons orbiting the Moon. I also drew that crying th*nderfoot with the Boosters landing behind him lmao).

[Anonymous No.12270498]

>>12270490
This thing looks like a an aerospace version of the picture designed to simulate a stroke in the visual cortex

[Anonymous No.12270500]

>>12270487
Why are those Starships in those box frames? Did the guy who rendered this not know that Starship can support its own weight hanging from its nose?

[Anonymous No.12270502]

>>12270497
>claiming credit for anything
fuck of fag

[Anonymous No.12270503]

>>12270500
it spins at 1g I think

[Anonymous No.12270506]

>>12270497
/sfg/ seems pretty loyal to its indigenous memes. I'm the one who used your graphic for the shitpost that's in the OP.

[Anonymous No.12270507]

>>12270503
And?

[Anonymous No.12270511]

>>12270492
I'm not sure what happens when I keep giving them wrong answers and passing, but it makes me laugh.
Sure that telephone pole is a chimney, good job captcha you got it right.

[Anonymous No.12270513]

>>12270493
Here is your space station bro.

[Anonymous No.12270514]

Thinking about those merlin engines...

[Anonymous No.12270515]

>>12270513
I’m gonna be honest, Mir’s space trucker shanty town aesthetic was pretty cool. Reminds me of the Nostromo.

[Anonymous No.12270516]

>>12270511
I’m forced to select mailboxes as parking meters to proceed sometimes. It’s kinda funny.

[Anonymous No.12270517]

>>12270506
>>12270515
Imagine a 70s ISS made from Mir parts and MOLs.

[Anonymous No.12270522]

>>12270517
Why not a Skylab-Salyut?

[Anonymous No.12270523]

I love our locally produced memes

[Anonymous No.12270530]

>>12270523
I'm Situ Meme Utilisation

[Anonymous No.12270532]

>>12270517
This, but launched by Titan Barbarian.

[Anonymous No.12270537]

>>12270477
ha cha cha chaaaaa

[Anonymous No.12270538]

Why hasn't there been any updates on the tiles?

[Anonymous No.12270540]

>>12270538
big oof, bet you those tiles got shook the fuck up 600 times per second

[Anonymous No.12270545]

>>12270538
What update do you want? That image shows that they had a bunch of different mounting methods, some failed catastrophically and some remained perfectly intact. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the update is "we're going with the method that worked".

[Anonymous No.12270557]

>>12270522
Ooh yeah that'd be cool.

>>12270532
>QUINTUPLE TITAN first stage
>still only 45 tons to LEO
This puts into perspective how much better RP-1/LOX is than hypergolics.

[Anonymous No.12270559]

>>12270502
It's okay my son I still love you

[Anonymous No.12270562]

>>12270503
Starship can be lifted by the nose on Earth, which is at 1g

[Anonymous No.12270566]

>>12270557
>This puts into perspective how much better RP-1/LOX is than hypergolics.
Actually hypergolics can get 90% of the Isp performance as kerolox, and at greater bulk density. The problem is that America's hypergolic fueled engines tended to be shitty; the Soviets on the other hand actually had some decent high-TWR high-pressure hypergolic engines.

[Anonymous No.12270571]

>>12270557
I suspect that this project was the result of a desire to use the fuckton of LR-87s laying around after the Titan II missiles were decommissioned as opposed to an efficient launch vehicle proposal.

[Anonymous No.12270574]

betrayers of human kind are focused on the space instead on earth.

[Anonymous No.12270577]

>>12270574
fuck urf
simple as

[Anonymous No.12270579]

>>12270574
Burn the Earth, leave it behind

[Anonymous No.12270582]

>>12270577
>>12270579
>make inhabitable planet, habitable
makes no sense

[Anonymous No.12270584]

>>12270545
that's sn8 post static fire

[Anonymous No.12270585]

>>12270532
How the fuck did this thing have more liftoff thrust than a Saturn V but could only put 45 tons into orbit?

[Anonymous No.12270587]

>>12270582
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can’t take the sky from me.

[Anonymous No.12270592]

>>12270585
2nd stage uses an LR-87 as well. Specific impulse actually kinda matters on upper stages.

[Anonymous No.12270595]

>>12270587
i'm not taking the sky away from you or the other ones
if humanity can't get along on this place, what makes you think that we'll be in harmonic environment together on some other planet?

[Anonymous No.12270606]

>>12270585
Hitting something really hard for a minute doesn't matter if the second stage is a light inefficient push

[Anonymous No.12270612]

>>12270595
There's no historical, cultural, or ethnic ties to land or a region on the moon or Mars, people who move there will have a roughly similar reason for going there, kind of like how post colonial countries are all massive compared to their European counterparts, people won't have a reason to fight, and will probably view being martian in a similar way to "being American" martian nationalism

[Anonymous No.12270616]

>>12270612
also they'll all be Americans anyway.

[Anonymous No.12270624]

>>12270616
That too, the only space program with a feasible, short and long term Mars plan, that is currently being developed is SpaceX, NASA doesn't even have a solid plan, just far off concepts that have been produced and canceled since the 70s
Roscosmos, China, and lmao ESA basically have no long term plans for Mars at all

[Anonymous No.12270630]

>>12270571
no, there's only one titan in that mess, the four outside boosters are all the big solids

[Anonymous No.12270633]

>>12270595
Space is stupid huge. Once you get the resource problems smoothed out (which is mostly a matter of momentum), massive populations can thrive independently for centuries on the various planets and moons before clashing. By that point, something akin to O'Neill cylinders will be a thing, so if planets start feeling crowded there will still be plenty of other places to go to.

There's also the bit about how civilization and the sciences typically make huge leaps whenever a pressure release valve opens up and releases all the ambition bottled up by red tape and rusty old bureaucratic structures. Spacefaring is the only way to open such a valve in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.12270639]

>>12270630
Actually, there’s 6 LR-87s in the vehicle. 5 on the first stage and 1 on the second.

[Anonymous No.12270641]

>>12270639
Did they consider using more LR-87s?

[Anonymous No.12270644]

I see there are road closures starting on the 28th, is that potentially going to be the hoppening or are they expected to do another static fire or something?

[Anonymous No.12270646]

I'm rewatching The Expanse and noticed something interesting - the rockets in MCRN power armor run on N2O4/Hydrazine. Alex apologizes to Bobby for the ship not having any on board to refuel her suit since the ships thrusters don't use it.

[Anonymous No.12270658]

>>12270646
The power source for the MCRN recon armor is never really stated but apparently it's insufficient for magnetiplasma RCS or whatever

[Anonymous No.12270661]

>>12270633
>By that point, something akin to O'Neill cylinders will be a thing, so if planets start feeling crowded there will be plenty of things to drop on them
fixed

[Anonymous No.12270662]

>>12270641
Yes, one proposal included tankage made from melted down LR-87s.

[Anonymous No.12270663]

>>12270658
It's just magic high density batteries. We see battery charge warnings on several HUD shots and Bobby talks about recharging it a couple of times.

[Anonymous No.12270685]

Most based space company coming through.

[Anonymous No.12270742]

>>12270685
based on what

[Anonymous No.12270793]

>>12270487
>>12270493
>>12270513
Thanks, I appreciate each of your efforts to expand humanity's reach into the cosmos.

[Anonymous No.12270795]

>>12270742
We're getting Moon wi-fi anon.

[Anonymous No.12270797]

>>12270795
excuse me

[Anonymous No.12270798]

>>12270742
hello newfag
remember to write your IP in the name field to get access to exclusive content and get free karma!

[127.0.0.1 No.12270802]

>>12270798
sick! thank you

[182.241.107.220 No.12270805]

>>12270802
kek, amazing this is mine, didn't know about the menu popup

[Anonymous No.12270806]

I wish I could meet Robert Zubrin but I'm afraid of if he might get mad at me. Or maybe worse what if he smells? then for the rest of my life i would have a stinky idol...

[your IP No.12270808]

>>12270798
Nigga, what the fuck is an IP?

[Anonymous No.12270810]

>>12270806
>what if he smells?
Every picture I’ve ever seen of him makes me think he smells like cheap cologne.

[Anonymous No.12270811]

>>12270574
nuke the earth and all its tree huggers
nature exists to be conquered

[Anonymous No.12270813]

>>12270808
it's some r*ddit shit. ignore the troll

[Anonymous No.12270820]

>>12270810
"Hair tonic and cheap brandy" as from the lyrics of a local cult band from my parts.

[Anonymous No.12270824]

>>12270806
Don't be shy, anon

[Anonymous No.12270825]

>>12270820
>Hair tonic
It’s clearly not working, Robert. Just accept it and shave it off already.

[Anonymous No.12270828]

>>12270825
It's a song about a less than successful elderly bar lion.

[Anonymous No.12270837]

>>12270828
i love secondhand lions

[Anonymous No.12270851]

Russia is building THE TUG!
>https://tass.com/science/1201289

It has a 1 MW nuclear reactor. This can tug stuff cheaply up to GEO, and even Moon and Venus.

I yold you guys nuclear was the way to go.

[Anonymous No.12270855]

>>12270851
Russia "builds" lots of paper rockets. They never materialize though.

[Anonymous No.12270859]

>>12270855
imagine if NASA claimed that all of those bullshit paper rockets they drew up were being worked on

[Anonymous No.12270881]

>>12270538
>>12270540
I'll be very happy if, after the first orbital test and reentry w/ successful landing, they have a couple of different mounting methods bolted on and a few of them survived perfectly intact

[Anonymous No.12270884]

>>12270859
Ivan you don't have to be angry

[Anonymous No.12270885]

>>12270881
if they've gone orbital and reentered, then the TPS has succeeded

[Anonymous No.12270890]

>>12270884
I'm pointing out how much bullshit the Russian propaganda machine is

[Anonymous No.12270893]

>>12270885
Hah good point actually

[Anonymous No.12270929]

spaaaaaaaaaaace
they're really launching them, huh

[Anonymous No.12270986]

>>12270522
Wow, lewd.
Skylab is a slut.

[Anonymous No.12270995]

>his soul is still chained by gravity

[Anonymous No.12271024]

>>12270995
>jellybaby cope because earth's gravity would kill him.
I really wonder what kind of defects will emerge in the first generations who are born&grow up in low to zero G.
Probably best to do a test run with monkeys first.

[Anonymous No.12271033]

>>12270517
Imagine the life threatening technical problems, life support issues, and constant mechanical and electrical problems
Imagine the fire hazards

[Anonymous No.12271035]

have some shuttle kino

https://youtu.be/mo-c2hk_hQg?t=15

[Anonymous No.12271042]

>>12270487
>no hub
Great, now put in KSP and try to dock with it while it's spinning.
>>12270516
Some of those "parking meters" also have address numbers on them. Also apparently the word "ONLY" is a crosswalk.

[Anonymous No.12271064]

>>12271024
>growing up in zero-G
That's not how rotating habitats work...

[Anonymous No.12271113]

>>12270595
>if humanity can't get along on this place, what makes you think that we'll be in harmonic environment together on some other planet?

Founder effect. Statistically, only the best and brightest will go to space, retards will stay down here.

Also, space is big enough so that when two groups cannot get along they can separate.

[Anonymous No.12271231]

>>12271035
Cowboy bebop is kino but the shuttle stuff made me twitch. They fly around all over with no fuel tank! Spooky how they predicted Columbia tho..

[Anonymous No.12271249]

How would you feed a martian colony?

- Wolffia globosa grown in water fertilized by human waste to feed fish like tilapia (they won't be growing a lot btw) is a given.
- Chocolate will be worth its own weight in rhodium since it has to be shipped. Sweets in general will be pretty expensive but I believe there are algae that can make sucrose just like cane, so maybe there will be some fish-fat-based chocolate in Mars.
- No beef.
- No pork either
- Definitely bugs.
- People would probably have to be recycled, but not directly as that carries the risk of CJD.

Give me algae that can be used as sources of carbohydrates.

Do the rest, /sfg/.

[Anonymous No.12271259]

>>12270485
How much more powerful than the Saturn V is the final BFR supposed to be? Will the first stage burn cow farts?

[Anonymous No.12271260]

>>12270851
God I wish they would. The only thing which will get the US to relax space nuke regulation is if other countries are threatening to beat us to it. So much shit could be done in space if we simply had more than just fucking s*lar panels to work with.

[Anonymous No.12271261]

>>12271259
more than 2x thrust, yes

[Anonymous No.12271264]

>>12271261
>more than 2x thrust
Simply by having a higher chamber pressure and 2020's metallurgy to handle the pressure?

[Anonymous No.12271267]

>>12271249
Hydroponics&aquaphonics that produce vegetables and fish.
Chickens can live in pretty shitty situations and still be very productive.
In vitro meat is a option too.
Bugs should only be used to eat up waste and then be fed to the chicken&fish.
Fuck eating bugs.

[Anonymous No.12271275]

>>12270806
He's actually a giga-autistic man with the most Jewish/nasal voice I've ever heard. It's so bad my Jewish friends find him grating to the point you can't stand listening to him.

Also inb4 you disagree and he storms off.

Fuck you zubrin Mars direct is retarded and if moon direct is so good why did NASA use lunar rendezvous. Enjoy having your dream ship the sls get turned into Gibs for Lockheed.
Also he owns a patent for storing oxygen and nitrogen as nitrous oxide. Lmao

[Anonymous No.12271278]

>>12271249
Aren’t mushrooms good

[Anonymous No.12271287]

>>12271278
What would you grow them on?

>>12271275
>Also he owns a patent for storing oxygen and nitrogen as nitrous oxide. Lmao
I'm going to make a patent for storing oxygen and iron as iron oxide

[Anonymous No.12271297]

>>12271264
F-1 wasn't particularly efficient, they kinda brute forced shit for Apollo. But yeah, modern material science and modeling goes a long way to making FFSC work well

[Anonymous No.12271303]

>>12271275
I woke up to THIS fuckin post?

[Anonymous No.12271305]

>>12271275
>why did NASA use lunar rendezvous
to give SLS a reason to exist

[Anonymous No.12271319]

>>12271264
*onions face*
>but chickens have to eat 10x the calories to produce the same amount of meat as bugs

Then we will produce 10x the calories.

Long term, a successful colony will have immense industrial capacity for simple things like water pumps, harvesters, water tanks and all things needed for hydroponics. Early on producing enough energy will be a problem, but if you can pull off IRSU you're getting a massive amount of power from somewhere, and that it probably a nuclear reactor.

[Anonymous No.12271328]

>>12271231
they clearly have a fuel tank in the cargo bay at 2:40 anon...

[Anonymous No.12271329]

>>12271035
Kino. Could the Shuttle have actually done a small suborbital trajectory with that internal bay fuel tank, excluding obvious structural integrity issues and the never-designed-for horizontal take off? Strictly asking about mass, thrust and propellant required to do so. I've seen a lot more absurd space stuff I think

[Anonymous No.12271335]

>>12271328
Not enough to orbit tho. Maybe it's just suborbital, but I remember writers said it was SSTO

[Anonymous No.12271337]

>>12271319
>but chickens have to eat 10x the calories to produce the same amount of meat as bugs
Why would you kill the chickens? Use the eggs. How many calories are there in a chicken? How many calories can a chicken generate by laying eggs? Eggs are 155 calories / 100g, entire chicken is about 239 calories / 100g. A chicken will lay 250 eggs in a year. Raising chickens just for slaughtering them would be very wasteful.

[Anonymous No.12271345]

>>12271329
the shuttle as built was designed for a center of mass beneath the orbiter. SSMEs didn't have the gimbal authority to handle an internal tank afaik. it wouldn't be impossible to modify one to fly, although i'm not sure about the mechanics of actually getting it off the ground. hydrolox JATO is an extremely silly idea, although it looked cool.

[Anonymous No.12271349]

>>12271249
Mars doesn't need meme crops. Just run fiber optic light collectors at 2x density and plant anything you could possibly desire.

[Anonymous No.12271352]

>>12271345
God that would be hard fucking core. Perhaps in half a century when spaceflight may become as widespread and perfected as atmospheric flight some people will build Shuttle clones and do stuff like that just because they can and have money to spend.

[Anonymous No.12271364]

>>12271042
>>no hub
>Great, now put in KSP and try to dock with it while it's spinning.
That was the point of the design, the outer tracks counter-rotate, the body is actually stationary, docking is done in the middle.
I think it's pretty clever, problem with it like most small/mid-sized stations is the distinct lack of a purpose which would justify the cost of producing and maintaining it.

[Anonymous No.12271386]

>>12271364
>docking is done in the middle.
What, on the tracks? Where there is at least half a gee outward force? Even if they counter-rotate you still have to somehow get from one frame of reference to the other without falling off. At the very least the tracks should be on the inside of the ring so when they stop counter-rotating so you stay on them while you get to the door.

[Anonymous No.12271392]

>>12271337
So i looked it up.
>Up to 6 weeks a meat strain bird will consume up to 11,100 calories total, which equates to 264 calories average per day.
Thats not that bad, martians will have all the chicken tendies they can eat.

[Anonymous No.12271396]

>>12271364
Wagon wheel design is more efficient for incoming vehicles to dock at the station without having to expend propellants.

[Anonymous No.12271398]

>>12271386
You're completely misreading it, I'll just link the relevant bit of the dude's video (not the original poster or a shill for somewhat cringy spacex commentator #145, but for context): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAUAhELGO_4&t=6m30s

[Anonymous No.12271403]

>>12271392
Chickens can survive on calories not fit for human consumption, too. They're not as energy-efficient as fish but they're useful for lots of other reasons.

[Anonymous No.12271415]

>>12271403
Only problem is with mass produced chickens living in tight spaces is they are pumped full of antibiotics to keep them from dying from diseases.
And this is on earth with a free fresh suply of air, in a place where they keep breathing the same filtered air it will be even worse.

[Anonymous No.12271420]

>>12270890

Yeah lemme know when JWST goes up lmao

[Anonymous No.12271424]

>>12270110
What the fuck is version 6, and what were the first 5 versions?

[Anonymous No.12271435]

>>12270616
>>12270624

Hopefully not

[Anonymous No.12271436]

>>12271403
>but they're useful for lots of other reasons.
Companionship. Pet chickens would be common in Mars.

[Anonymous No.12271446]

>>12270497
>Falcon Heavy launching a series of dirt-cheap hypergolic kick stages
Wouldn’t this mostly put the new Glenn out of business?

[Anonymous No.12271447]

>>12270497
>I also drew that crying th*nderfoot with the Boosters landing behind him lmao).
Post this one please

[Anonymous No.12271454]

Can you make steel from martian soil? Looks like you should be able to sinterize it into steel with enough heat

[Anonymous No.12271457]

>>12270644
Probably another static fire

[Anonymous No.12271458]

>>12270851
I hope it happens, a nuclear tug would be glorious for TLI assuming you can refuel the reaction mass in LEO.

[Anonymous No.12271464]

The way I see it, you'd have to reduce the iron in iron oxide with carbon, which you'd also have to reduce. I wonder if this can be done simply by blowing martian air onto the iron oxide dust while you shine a very strong laser on it. CO2 can be thermolysed. Where would the O2 go? How do you capture it so that it does not try to bind to iron? I'm guessing a 3d printed structure from martian soil would look like pic related. Would it be airtight? Maybe. What kinds of structures will we need in Mars? Lots of tanks, I believe. Are there iron oxide-based ceramics?

[Anonymous No.12271470]

>>12270471
Make people jealous, put second tea pot in orbit between earth and mars.

[Anonymous No.12271474]

>>12271424
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/10/the-continued-evolution-of-the-big-falcon-rocket/

[Anonymous No.12271486]

[Anonymous No.12271511]

bros...this is so cool

[Anonymous No.12271517]

>>12271511
Can't wait to see a half dozen of these things belly-flop as they figure out landing.

[Anonymous No.12271520]

>>12271454
What's sintering supposed to accomplish here? Genuinely asking 'cause I don't know anything about ore processing. From what I've read it seems to me like the most promising thing to do with martian iron oxides is to electrolyze them.

[Anonymous No.12271521]

>>12271517
>Can't wait to see a half dozen of these things belly-flop as they figure out landing.
And /sfg/ will still say that my idea of testing the principle with scale models is wrong because muh stresses

[Anonymous No.12271523]

>>12270264
>and can easily handle the few hundred degrees it would warm up to during a reentry).
I've always wondered this: how do they avoid cooking the crew while the outside gets so hot? Just insulation? This is apparently a solved problem but I've never known the exact answer.

[Anonymous No.12271528]

>>12271520
>What's sintering supposed to accomplish here?

Iron oxide powder -> solid steel. There's probably going to be a lot of glass too since there's a lot of sand under all that rust in mars.

[Anonymous No.12271531]

>>12271511
wonder what it will look like in 5-10 years

[Anonymous No.12271538]

>>12271521
I see the advantage of full scale testing but I also know they can't make engines fast enough and they aren't cheap.
Maybe a 1/3rd scale with a single engine would be the way to go.

[Anonymous No.12271539]

>>12271528
>Iron oxide powder -> solid steel
I don't think that's how that works. You're talking about an intermediate process, sintered iron oxide isn't even iron, let alone steel which requires further processing.

[Anonymous No.12271541]

>>12271521
time is more valuable than cost per prototype. do we have any clue what each article costs, including engines?

[Anonymous No.12271551]

>>12271539
>I don't think that's how that works
That's how sintering works, you take a powder and turn it into a solid with heat.

>sintered iron oxide isn't even iron
The sintering process would turn iron oxide into iron. Steel is just iron with carbon, which I believe can also be produced by smelting in CO2 atmosphere at a high enough temperature


>>12271541
>time is more valuable than cost per prototype
Is it faster than build a full-sized 747 than a miniature of it?

[Anonymous No.12271552]

>>12271464
Use the O2 for breathing and for rocket oxidizer

[Anonymous No.12271553]

>>12271521
I guess they could make a 1/3rd scale 3m prototype using Merlins, but since they only really have one single manufacturing center for Starships I think at this stage scale prototypes would just be sucking off resources from full scale prototype manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.12271554]

I was thinkin, maybe the engines they hooked up to SN8 (that they are now replacing) have been worn down by testing. In an effort to save some cash they plugged the poor performing/battered raptors.

[Anonymous No.12271555]

>>12271521
You're talking about a bunch of different factors that scale at different rates with size so yes, it is still wrong.
>>12271538
Actually if you follow the engine production it's much faster than is being consumed by prototypes, most of the engines testing is independent. Until they start testing full scale superheavies they're not engine constrained on prototype testing.

[Anonymous No.12271557]

>>12271551
im not arguing with you on miniatures, im not an engineer

[Anonymous No.12271562]

>>12271554
yeah that makes sense, they'd sabotage their most advanced prototype in order to save some money

[Anonymous No.12271563]

>>12271551
>That's how sintering works, you take a powder and turn it into a solid with heat.
Solid iron oxide isn't metallic iron though. From what I'm reading the process is simply to make an intermediate material for iron/steel production.

[Anonymous No.12271566]

>>12271249
Set up tons of space stations in Martian orbit dedicated to farming whatever the Martians like.

[Anonymous No.12271568]

>>12271553
>I guess they could make a 1/3rd scale 3m prototype using Merlins
That's the idea

>but since they only really have one single manufacturing center for Starships I think at this stage scale prototypes would just be sucking off resources from full scale prototype manufacturing.
Still to this day there are a lot of baby boomers who think that prototyping itself is a waste of time. When they're in charge of production they tend to make large batches straight away that are either wasted because the product does not work (how would they know without a prototype?) or end up costing a lot more because of all the adjustments to the process that need to be made to accomodate.

They know how to make the full-sized thing. Making a smaller-sized thing right now will save them time and resources. If they go full baby-boomer about it, they're not going to make it.

[Anonymous No.12271569]

>>12271563
>Solid iron oxide isn't metallic iron though
Jesus fucking christ, what do you think heat does to iron oxide? How do you think iron is produced?

[Anonymous No.12271574]

>>12271562
If these were the best Raptors they could find, SpaceX has major problems. They clearly didn't survive shutdown, which they'll have to if they want to relight in flight

[Anonymous No.12271579]

Elon entertained the idea of a mini starship test article on F9 and was eventually convinced it was a dumb idea, but /sfg/ knows best

[Anonymous No.12271580]

>>12271579
He'll change his mind soon enough

[Anonymous No.12271581]

>>12271555
Interesting that engine production is picking up, still I couldn't see them replacing a lost first stage without waiting for engines.

[Anonymous No.12271583]

>>12271568
>They know how to make the full-sized thing. Making a smaller-sized thing right now will save them time and resources. If they go full baby-boomer about it, they're not going to make it.
What would a small scale prototype find that a normal scaled one wouldn't?

[Anonymous No.12271585]

>>12271574
Go back to spouting baseless shit in labpadre's chat thanks

[Anonymous No.12271590]

>>12271569
Not through sintering, which is just the use of heat to compactify the oxide into a solid to be processed?

[Anonymous No.12271592]

>>12271583
>What would a small scale prototype find that a normal scaled one wouldn't?
If the skydiving steering works at all.

[Anonymous No.12271594]

>>12271585
Seething NSF paypiggy

[Anonymous No.12271596]

>>12271585
>no argument
I thought as much. You're probably the same guy who thinks 600hz isn't real. Well it is, and it's coming for you

[Anonymous No.12271597]

>>12271590

[Anonymous No.12271598]

>>12271592
The 9 meter diameter prototypes can figure that out too, while at the same time giving SpaceX manufacturing experience for the final version which the small sized prototypes can't necessarily do.

[Anonymous No.12271599]

>more shills
When will the shills just go back to making flat earth threads on pol and x

[Anonymous No.12271605]

>”This is Red Mars Radio and I’m your host, Mr. Red Sand, and I’ve got some news for you.”
>”The Senator known as Shelby, said to be Boeing’s top field promoter, once took an overperforming NASA rocket program by nationalizing it in full view of everyone, and had 1/10s of its rockets cannibalized by the other 9/10ths. And you thought your boss was a pain.”
>Now, I’m gonna play one of my very favorite songs for you...”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRa0KZsGhc

[Anonymous No.12271608]

>>12271597
> According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the sintering process converts fine-sized raw materials, including iron ore, coke breeze, limestone, mill scale, and flue dust, into an agglomerated product, sinter, of suitable size for charging into the blast furnace.
I don't know what to say to you dude, you seem convinced that an solidified agglomerate of powdered oxide is the same as a metal ingot which strikes me as a bit of a reach.

[Anonymous No.12271610]

I'm acing for space horror here. What are some good movies and novels?
I love Alien, Event Horizon and Pandorum. I was deeply disappointed by Prometheus and found Covenant worse than Avatar even... so I'd like to pass on overly pretentious stuff as well as goofy junk. You can still mention it, but mark it accordingly.
Audiobooks are very welcome as well.

[Anonymous No.12271615]

>>12271610
Apollo 18? It's not outstanding or anything but it's a serviceable horror flick and fits your criteria I think.
Otherwise maybe Moon? Not exactly horror though.

[Anonymous No.12271616]

>>12271610
>trouble with the gyroscope
Kek

[Anonymous No.12271618]

>>12271610
Moon (2009)

[Anonymous No.12271620]

>>12271608
>I don't know what to say to you dude, you seem convinced that an solidified agglomerate of powdered oxide is the same as a metal ingot which strikes me as a bit of a reach.

What metal ingot? Heat iron oxide in co2 atmosphere. If there's enough heat, CO2 breaks into CO and O2. Oxygen from iron oxide binds to CO. You're left with metallic iron and O2. This is how they hope to 3d print things from moon and mars dirt. Now, you may not end up with metallic iron, but with random ceramics, which should be fine too. Ceramics are just oxides.

[Anonymous No.12271621]

>>12271511
I’m guessing that tent next to the OLP is temporary and will just be used to store stuff for construction... right?

[Anonymous No.12271625]

>>12271610
Europa report COULD be your thing but i didn't like it very much.
I think you have seen all the good ones, sci-fi horror is both not a very lucrative or popular genre of cinema. Almost All the movies on that genre were major box officer disasters.

[Anonymous No.12271626]

>>12271620
My only exception to your post was that the process of sintering doesn't do what you were describing and now you're changing the subject completely after vociferously defending the point. If you want to concede it and just point out that you could use the process to make useful materials independently of that, I have no problem with that, and it has nothing to do with what I said.

[Anonymous No.12271627]

>>12271621
I would say of course but these are the same guys that test rockets so close to the fuel farm they blow the lids off tanks when they cato...

[Anonymous No.12271629]

>>12271626
>sintering doesn't do what you were describing
Sintering is just heating powder so that it binds to itself, it's how PTFE articles are produced. I'm using it as a generic term. Direct metal laser sintering doesn't leave you with a compressed powder thing, it leaves you with a solid metal part. I believe that it can be done with metallic oxides leaving you with solid metallic parts.

[Anonymous No.12271634]

In todays launch:

A Soyuz 2.1b carrying a Glonass-K1 satellite. Replacing a Glonass-M that has reached EOL.

[Anonymous No.12271635]

>>12271629
Direct metal laser sintering doesn't use unprocessed ore as feedstock, it uses metallic powder that's already been purified.

[Anonymous No.12271637]

>>12271599
>why isn't sfg a safe space from people I disagree with
go breastfeed on mars bro

[Anonymous No.12271638]

>>12271634
I love Glonass, it's GPS with the spying being done by someone that doesn't have any authority over me.

[Anonymous No.12271640]

>>12271634
How does Glonass compare to the US GPS? Are they both functionally identical?

[Anonymous No.12271643]

>>12271635
>Direct metal laser sintering doesn't use unprocessed ore as feedstock,
I said: I believe it can be done with oxides. There are people researching this subject right now. Stop being dense.

[Anonymous No.12271647]

>>12271625
>Europa report COULD be your thing but i didn't like it very much.
The ending was kind of cool but yeah overall it felt like a made-for-TV movie. Not the worst way to waste 90 minutes though.

[Anonymous No.12271656]

>>12271415
just dont send up diseased chickens lmao.

[Anonymous No.12271662]

>>12271640

Glonass is functionaly identical to GPS in that has global coverage and that is managed by the military. Many devices that can use GPS, also can use Glonass.

The Glonass constellation will get an upgrade in 2026 with the introduction of the Glonass-V satellites.

[Anonymous No.12271663]

>>12271640
Glonass is actually more accurate at high longitudes but GPS is more accurate everywhere else. Glonass is still good enough to use for navigation.

[Anonymous No.12271683]

>>12271615
>>12271618
As a matter of fact I watched Moon just last week, but wasn't including it for not being exactly horror, but rather existentialist. But to everybody who didn't see it yet, yea great suggestion.

Will check out Apollo18, I wanted to watch it but with all the Apollo based movies being named like they are it must have slipped through my net.
Contributing something myself, Red Planet, Mars and Mission to Mars are all bad and only something if you get really desperate. Not horror, but isolationist enough to have a similar feel. Leviathan is a good Alien clone underwater and I loved watching it after playing SOMA (there are some decent naval horror films like Ghost Ship 1980.
If you're really hammered there are some good cut ups of Dead Space on the youtube but I suggest preparing by staying awake for 48 hours, bingewatching the 3 mars movies and consuming a con siderable dose of the poison of your choice.
The shortfilm "Orbit" isn't my cup of tea but it's only 7 minutes and also available on youtube.
I wish Star Wars Republic Comando would have gotten a horror movie spinoff based on the Acclamator class level.

[Anonymous No.12271689]

>>12271643
"I think someone's researching it" is a pretty far cry from "this is what it does". You're just going through a drawn out cope to eliminate the step of the entire blast furnace that's actually used to accomplish what you're thinking of.

[Anonymous No.12271690]

>>12271683
>Red Planet, Mars and Mission to Mars
#I meant "Stranded"

[Anonymous No.12271694]

>>12271511
The way I cope with being British on /sfg/ is to imagine this endeavour as motivated by the same spirit that we had here between 1700-1850 or whatever, back when the possibilities were endless and with resources, ingenuity and labour the country leapt ahead into the future. Starship is the most important and best thing happening on earth today if you ask me and I'm boring everyone I know trying to convince them of this.

[Anonymous No.12271695]

>>12271663
>Glonass
how does galileo compare to glonass and gps?
And whatever the chinks are making.

[Anonymous No.12271697]

>>12270497
Wow this post is Gold!

[Anonymous No.12271704]

>>12270513
What happened to the bottom right panels?

[Anonymous No.12271707]

>>12271704

A Progress collided with the Mir, resulting in that damage. AFAIK, I believe that damage never got fixed.

[Anonymous No.12271709]

>>12271704
Progress M-34 happened.

[Anonymous No.12271725]

>>12270805
I wish this wasn’t just counter trolling

[Anonymous No.12271732]

>>12271637
It’s really fucking annoying when people repeatedly put forth an opinion and never respond to any criticism to it

[Anonymous No.12271744]

This jello baby theme needs to quietly die. Humans can just lift weights. Normal people that aren’t you exercise.

[Anonymous No.12271747]

Lol, all you SpaceX fans are going to SEETHE when sn8 crashes on Brownsville and kills people and musk is arrested. SpaceX has never made it into real space like NASA has. Only kiddie low earth orbit. Haha

[Anonymous No.12271757]

>>12271747
They hated him because he told the truth

[Anonymous No.12271760]

>>12271352
it would be a dream to have a yard full of spaceships behind your home or somewhere else

[Anonymous No.12271762]

>>12271747
Who cares where they go down?

[Anonymous No.12271763]

>>12271747
While you are wrong about SpaceX never getting out of LEO, I am worried SN8 will cause serious damage to the production site.

[Anonymous No.12271765]

>>12271744
>just have the baby benchpress run on a treadmill haha

[Anonymous No.12271767]

>>12271695
Galileo is a little bit less accurate than military GPS
BUT Galileo isn't intentionally crippled for civilians, so it is more accurate in actual use
Beidou is comparable to civie GPS or Glonass in China, but elsewhere it's worse because it's actually 3 smaller constellations rather than one big constellation like GPS

[Anonymous No.12271768]

>>12271762
>>12271747

[Anonymous No.12271769]

>>12271747
Nope, SpaceX won't kill a single person until Dear Moon when it skips off the atmosphere during reentry and we all get to watch the live stream of them floating into the void.

[Anonymous No.12271770]

>>12271762
Everybody who isn’t an elongated muskrat cultist (most people) will care when SpaceX’s reckless soviet style Research and Development program takes American lives.

[Anonymous No.12271771]

>>12271744
seething jello boi

[Anonymous No.12271776]

>>12271763
SN8 won’t cause serious damage to the production site because it’ll crash land in Brownsville. But he boca China villagers will finally get their land back when Elon is arrested and SpaceX goes bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.12271777]

>>12271747
Lazy

[Anonymous No.12271778]

>>12271770
Less reckless than the Apollo program or Soviet manned missions, at the moment.

[Anonymous No.12271779]

>>12271771
Aha. Haha. I agree with you, these SpaceX fans seriously think they will be able to cope with low gravity. Ahaha. Ha ha.

[Anonymous No.12271780]

>>12271776
i now your a troll but still, you do realize they are going to do this test over the sea right?

[Anonymous No.12271784]

>>12271337
>an entire chicken is 300 cal.
Jesus Christ I thought summer was over

[Anonymous No.12271786]

>>12271778
SpaceX already took the livelihood of dozens of Americans when they invaded boca chica. Soon they’ll take the lives of dozens of Americans and it’ll all be over for this reusability fantasy. Haha.

[Anonymous No.12271793]

>>12271780
>you do realize they are going to do this test over the sea, right?
They will fail to crash SN8 into the sea (and will crash it into Brownsville) like they failed to launch that Israeli satellite, AMOS.

[Anonymous No.12271797]

>>12271786
And that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.12271799]

what about this general seem so attractive to trolls?

[Anonymous No.12271800]

>>12271780
You know he's being a fag but you engage him anyway

[Anonymous No.12271804]

>>12271113
>Also, space is big enough so that when two groups cannot get along they can separate.

this is why certain aspectss oppose space colonization. They thrive off of tension, no or lower internal tension means they have no purpose in live

[Anonymous No.12271805]

>>12271797
I agree haha. Dozens of Americans need to be sacrificed so that all future funds can go to SLS.

[Anonymous No.12271807]

>>12271780
No they're not. Also learn to spell

[Anonymous No.12271809]

>>12271800
>noooo you have to have my viewpoint or you’re a shill
Go choke to death on phantom-phosphines on your imaginary Venus dirigible

[Anonymous No.12271810]

>>12271770
>implying that NASA is any better
>Apollo 1 disaster
>WE'LL LEARN FROM THIS AND IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN
>it happened again. Multiple times
>nearly lost another shuttle right after challenger because management was AGAIN being shitheads.
SpaceX's track record is one of the best in the business at the moment. But it only takes one instance of hubris leading to one miscalculation to ruin it all. So it's probably inevitable because humans gonna human but it'll be interesting to see how long they can hold out.

[Anonymous No.12271813]

>>12271799
It started with legit oldspace fanboys and then oldspace shilling become a thing, since then /sfg/ has always been a bit fucked.

[Anonymous No.12271816]

>>12271784
how did you get
>entire chicken is 300cal
from
>239cal/100g

[Anonymous No.12271819]

>>12271810
Apollo 1 and space shuttle disasters were soviet sabotage, they don’t count.

[Anonymous No.12271820]

Can someone link me Sh*lby getting mad at Propellant Depots? I couldn't find anything online and I'm trying to explain to a friend why I have a burning hatred of him.

[Anonymous No.12271821]

>>12271807
>Also learn to spell
I dont give fuck, english isnt my first language.

[Anonymous No.12271824]

>>12271813
There were legitimate oldspace fans on sfg?

[Anonymous No.12271826]

>>12271809
(you)

[Anonymous No.12271830]

>>12271776
>>12271763
either way, success or failure, the 1st true flight is going to be very entertaining. I can't wait.

[Anonymous No.12271831]

>>12271809
there is no viewpoint, it's just trolls responding to trolls

[Anonymous No.12271833]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/rocket-scientist-says-that-boeing-squelched-work-on-propellant-depots/

>"We had released a series of papers showing how a depot/refueling architecture would enable a human exploration program using existing (at the time) commercial rockets," Sowers tweeted on Wednesday. "Boeing became furious and tried to get me fired. Kudos to my CEO for protecting me. But we were banned from even saying the 'd' word out loud. Sad part is that ULA did a lot of pathfinding work in that area and could have owned the refueling/depot market, enriching Boeing (and Lockheed) in the process. But it was shut down because it threatened SLS."
Why are they so corrupt bros?

[Anonymous No.12271836]

>>12271826
Ahqhahhaa muahqhgaqh hahaha ahahhahqhaha ahhhha hhhahq SpaceX is finished ahahhaha hahaha more (you)s ahahaha.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.12271837]

>>12271805
it's about time we embraced ritual sacrifice to power our machines.

[Anonymous No.12271838]

>>12271824
Yeah, when SpaceX was crashing boosters constantly there were plenty here basically saying "of course they are shit, ULA has decades of experiance".

[Anonymous No.12271841]

>>12271599
>knowing what goes on those boards
Shiggy dig

[Anonymous No.12271842]

>>12271838
I wonder where they are now.

[Anonymous No.12271843]

>>12271833
it's all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.12271855]

>>12271820
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/rocket-scientist-says-that-boeing-squelched-work-on-propellant-depots/

It was a function of him wanting to protect SLS, even though the Augustine report concluded that commercial EELV-derived launchers + depots would also be a valid path forward post-constellation. Berger only mentions him specifically but there were almost certainly other congressmen involved in it.

[Anonymous No.12271861]

BE4 is now fixed, but Raptor hungers for turbopumps. How did this happen frens?

[Anonymous No.12271865]

>>12271861
Musk is a liar and fraud. Bezos and Tony Burno does honest work.

[Anonymous No.12271870]

>>12271769
>SpaceX won't kill a single person until Dear Moon when it skips off the atmosphere during reentry and we all get to watch the live stream of them floating into the void.

That’s physically impossible.

[Anonymous No.12271871]

>>12271833
Because they have been saying "we can do it in 5 years for 1 billion" and getting away with taking 20 years and 15 billion for so long they never considered those times might come to an end.
Worse part is the same people that say the goverment needs to not spend money on public education of universal healthcare will have no problem bailing ULA out when their own mismanagement bankrupts them.

[Anonymous No.12271875]

>>12271865
You hate to see this

[Anonymous No.12271877]

>>12271765
Have the baby wait till 10 years old run on a treadmill and lift weights... there you’ve been spoon fed.

[Anonymous No.12271880]

>>12271870
If you are saying they will return to earth you are correct, they could however enter a 6 day orbit and only drop their perigee a little each time.
Also I was joking.

[Anonymous No.12271883]

>>12271877
this is unethical

[Anonymous No.12271885]

>>12271610
Marooned is a bit of a weird movie but it has excellent acting and a commitment to realism. Has some really effective tense scenes. Also features a Block I CSM.

[Anonymous No.12271888]

>>12271799
It’s a somewhat faster thread on a blue board? I thought all of 4chinz was like this

[Anonymous No.12271893]

>>12271816
You eat the chicken 2 years into its life when it stops laying eggs, egg head.

[Anonymous No.12271895]

>>12271249
>Sweets in general will be pretty expensive
doubtful...there are many simply plants and even grasses(cane is a grass) that produce sugar. sugar beets come to mind, of course the issue is water needs.Also Remember there will be a bunch of bio and chem ph'ds in mars colonies. so im sure even simple things like alcohol (vodka) will be produced im sure the russian martians will make that.

Once you can grow fruit trees you can extract the sugar from them. Chocolate is a different issue of course though i think people wont care about chocolate as much they care about coffee. Coffee will be like diamonds.

[Anonymous No.12271896]

>>12271893
what did that have to do with my post, are you a bot?

[Anonymous No.12271898]

>>12271883
No it isn’t. All kids should be forced to exercise and people who don’t exercise should be shot.

[Anonymous No.12271900]

>>12271287
one you make the first trees grow you take the wood chips from that and use that are mushroom food.

[Anonymous No.12271901]

>>12271833
Between this and dropping the DC-X to work on venture star, which was the dumber decision?

[Anonymous No.12271903]

>>12271337
Doesn’t matter. Chicken is tasty.

[Anonymous No.12271904]

>>12271896
...wait you aren't one?

[Anonymous No.12271905]

>>12271885
I watched this for the first time this month and really enjoyed it, the lack of any real score gives it a sort of documentary vibe I felt. The last third was surprisingly gripping, and the setup for the rescue launch was genuinely pretty awesome.

[Anonymous No.12271906]

>>12271895
Sweets and any concentrated sugars should be banned.

[Anonymous No.12271907]

>>12271898
I disagree, I think we should maximize leisure

[Anonymous No.12271908]

>>12271883
he just threw it a pole into the water.jpg

[Anonymous No.12271910]

>>12271907
Leisure should be minimized. Ease makes people into lazy shithead retards without any virtues like bravery or toughness.

[Anonymous No.12271914]

>>12271910
There is virtue in being gentle and kind

[Anonymous No.12271916]

>>12271907
>>12271910
No. They should view exercise as leisure.

[Anonymous No.12271919]

>>12271910
>>12271914
I don't know if I hate the carebear or the edgebro here more but I'm pretty sure neither of you are going to mars

[Anonymous No.12271921]

>>12271916
>>12271910
>>12271914

Hot take: Leisure should be seen as exercise.

[Anonymous No.12271923]

>>12271919

[Anonymous No.12271925]

>>12271919
They're both right and their struggle will follow us all to Mars. Duality of man will persist.

[Anonymous No.12271927]

>>12271349
the issue is meat protein. fish and fowl will be the main staples. Mostly fish though as they are easier to grow and maintain and more ecologically productive. also i do imagine slugs will be eaten. you can carry millions of slug eggs in a vial.
large scale animals like beef wont be around before forever and will be highly expensive.

i can imagine people carrying dogs and cats,build only once theyve been completely screened. Evens stuff ticks and fleas can introduce a level of complexity into your eco system.

[Anonymous No.12271928]

>>12271921
Hotter take: exercise should be seen as leisure.

[Anonymous No.12271929]

>>12270485
>>12270491
Looks more like a grain silo to me.

[Anonymous No.12271934]

Good meme format but can someone make it say something more relevant and less gay?

[Anonymous No.12271938]

>>12271916
Exercise is partially recreational and releases fun brain chemicals, but also requires exertion.

[Anonymous No.12271946]

>>12271903
>chicken is tasty
I'm willing to be there isn't a single person in this thread who has ever eaten plain chicken with no seasoning at all.
Chicken doesn't taste good, it just absorbs flavours well and cooks easily. That's why people say everything tastes like chicken; because it doesn't taste like anything.
Plus chicken breast is full of estrogen (natural, and artifical growth hormones if you're American) so it'll give you bitch tits.

[Anonymous No.12271947]

>>12271919
>The developed philosophical theme of asceticism is edgy

[Anonymous No.12271953]

>>12271934

>Admitting being a furry by proxy.

What a degenerate faggot you are.

[Anonymous No.12271955]

>>12271927
>also i do imagine slugs will be eaten

I like eating grubs. Can we do grubs?

[Anonymous No.12271956]

>>12271934
>nasa want a meeting
>it's about a round of funding
>ULA get less than they ask for
>you actually get funding
>it's less than the cost of the test they want

[Anonymous No.12271958]

>>12271319
>My rocket is only 10% as efficient as as yours
>I'll just make 10X the rocket fuel. Think of all the jobs I'll create.
Meat is the hydrolox of food.

[Anonymous No.12271960]

>>12271946
>I'm willing to be there isn't a single person in this thread who has ever eaten plain chicken with no seasoning at all.
Cool what do I win

[Anonymous No.12271967]

>>12271946
>(natural, and artifical growth hormones if you're American)

Hormones in chicken are specifically banned in America. Studies on the topic of estrogen levels in chicken meat in the US suggest that the elevated levels of estrogen are due to the fact the chickens eat a lot of soi.

Ain’t that funny?

[Anonymous No.12271970]

>>12271958
>hating on hydrolox
Come on now, it's good for TMI and if we can limit boiloff it might make for a decent TLI tug. That said the hydrolox lander meme is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.12271971]

>>12271927
>quadruple the size of the first colonies just so anon can have his tendies

[Anonymous No.12271972]

>>12271958
Meat=hydromeme
Beans=methane
Getting your energy directly from the sun=Emdrive

[Anonymous No.12271973]

>>12271971
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12271977]

>>12271953
>hating on the most based fetish
Once elon makes catgirls you won't get one.

[Anonymous No.12271979]

>>12271958
Meat also tastes better than the alternative and doesn’t make you gay.

[Anonymous No.12271984]

>>12271967
>source: my ass

[Anonymous No.12271985]

>>12271979
You have to be pretty weak and gay in the first place in order to judge your worth by the food you eat.

[Anonymous No.12271989]

>>12271984
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29581465/

[Anonymous No.12271990]

>>12271799
Goyim know, must subvert.

[Anonymous No.12271994]

>>12271985
You have to be a paid subversive agent to advocate for people to eat beans high in phytoestrogens.

[Anonymous No.12271996]

>>12271985
>>12271994
Here we go again, every fucking thread.
Both of you fuck off to /ck/ or something instead of doing this all over again, assuming you're not the same faggot replying to himself like a retard.

[Anonymous No.12271997]

>>12271994
so what if I am?

[Anonymous No.12271998]

>>12271977
>Yes, I regulalry fap to furry porn and I sleep with my Krystal daki every night, how did you know?

[Anonymous No.12272001]

>>12271998
What’s a daki?

[Anonymous No.12272002]

>>12271946
Boiled chicken thighs are delicious you fucking asshole

[Anonymous No.12272004]

>>12271799
It's full of conservatives

[Anonymous No.12272007]

>>12271946
>I'm willing to be there isn't a single person in this thread who has ever eaten plain chicken with no seasoning at all.
sup faggot
>Chicken doesn't taste good
use better quality meat lol

[Anonymous No.12272011]

>>12272002
water is a seasoning

[Anonymous No.12272012]

>>12271996
Hear no soi. See no soi. Speak no soi.

[Anonymous No.12272017]

>>12272011
Water is not an herb or spice or salt. It can’t be seasoning

[Anonymous No.12272018]

>>12271994
>making up conspiracies rather than admitting you might be mistaken

[Anonymous No.12272020]

>>12272011
Wh*toid detected

[Anonymous No.12272023]

>>12272018
It’s a proven fact that soi contains a lot of phytoestrogens which interact with your estrogen receptors.

[Anonymous No.12272025]

Why is metallic hydrogen a big deal for space travel?

[Anonymous No.12272027]

[Anonymous No.12272031]

Guys it's not like pressurized space, energy, food, soil, air, or payload mass will be limited on Mars. Anon needs his tendies because he read that beans will turn him into a girl. Because that's what space exploration is about right?

[Anonymous No.12272037]

>>12272023
>scam study made by scientists paid off by the meat industry =/= proven fact

[Anonymous No.12272044]

>>12272025
Metallic hydrogen has a theoretical Isp of 1,700s while being much denser than liquid hydrogen meaning smaller / lighter tanks.
For now it's a pipe dream as we are not even close to using metallic hydrogen as a propellant but if we can it'll be about as good as chemical rockets can be.

[Anonymous No.12272045]

The anon/s who argue every day about meat and beans here deserves to be shot and turned into mulch for plants so at least they can be of some use.

[Anonymous No.12272050]

>>12272044
metallic hydrogen is too dangerous for spaceflight, you cant throttle

[Anonymous No.12272054]

>>12271971
I mean what the fuck do you want retard, to have people living in two aluminum cans and maybe one more can will land every two or three years? With the technology available a Mars colony ought to expand explosively, with substantially more habitat being added round the clock and major shipments of bulk materials arriving at two year intervals.

[Anonymous No.12272060]

>>12272037
>I presuppose any study that conflicts with my pre-existing beliefs to be fake

Wow. You’re not worth engaging with lol

[Anonymous No.12272062]

>>12272050
Why are you talking about the viability of controling the flow of something we don't even know the physical properties of?

[Anonymous No.12272065]

>>12272031
>Guys it's not like pressurized space, energy, food, soil, air, or payload mass will be limited on Mars

They won’t. Starships are supposed to land hundreds of tons of material before the first people show up.

[Anonymous No.12272072]

>>12271024
just spin bro

[Anonymous No.12272074]

>>12272062
No, he's right. I just performed a thought experiment and tried to throttle a metallic hydrogen engine in it. Didn't work.

[Anonymous No.12272084]

>>12272025
It’s supposed to have better ISP and density, but it’s doubtful it can even be used due to its instability.

[Anonymous No.12272085]

You wouldn't be so easy to troll if you all weren't such massive insecure pussies.

[Anonymous No.12272093]

>>12272054
>major shipments of bulk materials arriving at two year intervals.
I hope I live to see an entire fleet of starships travel. Would look incredible.

[Anonymous No.12272095]

>>12272093

[Anonymous No.12272097]

>>12272095

[Anonymous No.12272103]

>>12271799
They always get responses here no matter how little effort they put into their bait

[Anonymous No.12272111]

>>12272095
>1000 ship departure fleet
Holy shit he's really going for it

[Anonymous No.12272113]

>>12272095
How would the people get onto the starships if they’re already in orbit waiting to go? Would they have to transfer from one starship to another?

[Anonymous No.12272123]

what kind of industries could mars support that would offer benefit to those on earth? I see support for Mars trending down over time unless Mars contributes something in return.

[Anonymous No.12272124]

>>12271838
/sfg/ has only been a thing since hopper was first getting built, that wasn't exactly the time where spacex was constantly crashing boosters.

[Anonymous No.12272129]

>>12272113
It's conceivable that the majority of starships thrown at Mars would be cargo-only and you just launch a few passenger ones during the window.

[Anonymous No.12272131]

>>12272111
>>12272095
>>12272093

Imagine looking out the window and seeing hunderds of other Starships flying in formation towards Mars.

[Anonymous No.12272138]

>>12272129
I think Elon said 10 cargo starships for every crew starship in a tweet. So probably 1000 crew starship departures to mars won’t happen until the 2040s at the earliest

[Anonymous No.12272142]

This might have been asked before but what's stopping a Mars-bound Starship colonist from punching/drilling a hole through the Starship hull or window and depressurizing the whole thing since it's thin metal (4mm I think) Obviously professional astronauts wouldn't do that but if you want to transport a million people to Mars eventually you'll get one crazy/retarded person who will try it.

[Anonymous No.12272143]

>>12272129
Right, on top of ample supplies you'd want triple/quadruple/+ redundancy for a lot of things, which would require quite a large number of ships if the plan is to be able to support a large and ever growing population.

Over time as the critical mass of equipment and industry builds up on Mars, the ratio of cargo:people would begin to shift until eventually it's mostly people.

[Anonymous No.12272146]

>>12272095
You know what to do

[Anonymous No.12272150]

The Space Force released their patches for their major organizations yesterday. These people really love deltas and the color grey.

[Anonymous No.12272153]

>>12272113
Although as far as I know it hasn't been discussed, loading people independently from a separate ship seems like a reasonable choice to me. They will already need multiple tanker missions for each ship, so 1. this would not be a bigger infrastructure burden than refueling itself and 2. it would allow more flexible timelines in cases of refuel interruptions

[Anonymous No.12272160]

>>12272150
Chevrons are so overused but I guess the airforce has a monopoly on wings.

[Anonymous No.12272161]

>>12272150
>Space Force
>Not XCOM
Never going to make it

[Anonymous No.12272163]

>>12272150
>space delta 4
>patch isn’t even orange

[Anonymous No.12272172]

>>12272150
Space bears meet space hydras.

[Anonymous No.12272179]

>>12272142
A small hole wouldn't be catastrophic and pressure monitoring systems would catch its presence almost immediately.

Besides that, especially early on the only people going to mars will be selected for mental stability and resilience, not unlike the selection process used for staffing nuclear submarines, greatly reducing the chance of destructive lunatics making it onboard.

Later down the line when it opens up for more average individuals, Starship will no doubt have evolved to be built with more failsafes to prevent passengers from doing stupid things.

[Anonymous No.12272182]

>>12272138
>1000 crew starship
Thats like 10k starships that need to be launched to fuel all of that.

[Anonymous No.12272187]

>>12272150
Supposedly they just had the first class of Space Force recruits arrive for basic training down here at Lackland AFB.

[Anonymous No.12272188]

>>12272124
I was talking about these.
https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ

[Anonymous No.12272189]

>>12272142
I mean what's stopping someone from depressurizing an airliner or sinking a cruise ship? Space terrorism will happen eventually, and in that scenario it would make more sense for the terrorist to land on Mars and then fuck shit up there.

[Anonymous No.12272192]

>>12272150
>LARPing meme

[Anonymous No.12272194]

>>12272172
>unitl
Fuckers couldt even check spelling. Space is canceled.

[Anonymous No.12272196]

>>12272011
This is quality bait

[Anonymous No.12272201]

>>12272188
And that was before /sfg/ became a thing in early 2019, a few weeks after it was the Boca Chica water watch thread.

[Anonymous No.12272202]

>>12272150
>Orbital Warfare
WEW

[Anonymous No.12272205]

>>12272201
water *tower* watch thread

[Anonymous No.12272208]

>>12272172
Space bears would mean something to a gay guy.

[Anonymous No.12272214]

>>12272201
Really? I was on the imageboard that you get banned for naming from 2014 to 2019 and there were constant rocketry threads there. I assumed that was the case here too but apparently not.

[Anonymous No.12272220]

>>12272208
>get to be one of the few people to go to Mars on a Starship
>get bunked up with a space bear

[Anonymous No.12272227]

>>12272179
Yeah that makes sense. Thanks for putting my concerns at ease.
>>12272189
Cruise ships don't explode if you drill a hole through them, and their hulls are far thicker than spaceships. As for airliners, they can land, even in the water, if something goes wrong.

I was just concerned because on Starship, people will have their own private rooms, and if I stay in my room and spend 3 days cutting a big hole on the side, nobody would know until it was too late.

[Anonymous No.12272234]

>>12272220
Honestly, the first colony ships should have a few traps/twinks on board to relieve the sexual tension of the all-male crew. You can't bring women because they're just a liability.

[Anonymous No.12272239]

>>12272227
>"Hey we have a loss of pressure in hab-suite 18, check the cameras."
>"Was that retard trying to cut his way out?"

[Anonymous No.12272245]

>>12272227
Sealing leaks is space isn't a big a deal as most think, even if the ship is pressurized to sea-level that is only a 14 psi difference, in reality it'll be more like 10 psi.

[Anonymous No.12272249]

>>12272062
it's a solid fuel numbskull

[Anonymous No.12272253]

>>12272249
Link?

[Anonymous No.12272254]

>>12272239
>cameras in personal bunks

[Anonymous No.12272258]

>>12272227
>I was just concerned because on Starship, people will have their own private rooms, and if I stay in my room and spend 3 days cutting a big hole on the side, nobody would know until it was too late.

That's why you design each room door to be able to serve as an airlock. If Joebob has that strong deathwish, just seal off the room and let it depressurize. The rest of the ship cruises on unimpacted.

[Anonymous No.12272259]

>>12271260
there's no regulation against fission reactors in space. US has a ground proven space reactor already(Kilopower).

[Anonymous No.12272264]

>>12272234
The trap meme is Jewish subversion

[Anonymous No.12272267]

>>12272234
You can, you just have to sift a lot more candidates than you would the men for the right attitude. I don't thing you're going to get good results with completely homogeneous crews, you should have a good 50/50 split all weeded strictly based on a combination of applicable skills, professionalism, and emotional stability.
Wouldn't shock me if they end up having to sift a thousand applicants just to find one packer who can handle it.
Turn SN8 into a sealed test environment and lock them in for three months to see if they can hack it.

[Anonymous No.12272270]

>>12272234
That's who we'll feed the onions to

[Anonymous No.12272271]

>>12272254
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12272278]

If you could name a Starship then what would the name be?

[Anonymous No.12272279]

>>12272278
Hitler did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.12272280]

>>12272234
just jerk of bro.
You want the first men on mars to be gay?

[Anonymous No.12272284]

>>12272214

Rocketry threads sure, but not a general. So the original point may still be valid but not for /sfg/ specifically.

[Anonymous No.12272288]

>>12272278
4ASS “White Man’s Burden“

[Anonymous No.12272291]

>>12272280
It's not gay to fuck a trap if they wear girl clothes

[Anonymous No.12272295]

>>12272278
the "109 countries"

[Anonymous No.12272297]

>>12272291
Keep telling yourself that faggot

[Anonymous No.12272298]

>>12272291
Yes it is

[Anonymous No.12272299]

>>12272278
So Much For Subtlety

[Anonymous No.12272303]

>>12272227
Why would a skilled worker spend a quarter of a million dollars, successfully lie their way through a battery of psychological tests, pass all the involved training and smuggle a drill in broad just to kill themselves and 30-100 others? It wouldn't even damage the program overall since one ship out of hundreds would be a drop in the bucket. And all that is assuming they don't just seal off the room until someone can find a roll of duct tape to fix the leak.

[Anonymous No.12272306]

>>12272278
Take That, Pedo Guy

[Anonymous No.12272309]

>>12272303
ULA snipers

[Anonymous No.12272315]

>>12272278
"Jeff Who?"

[Anonymous No.12272316]

>>12272278
Fuck Boing

[Anonymous No.12272319]

>>12272298
>>12272297
I'm straight so anything that gets me hard is a female by definition, even if she has a penis.

[Anonymous No.12272321]

>>12272253
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6326/715

[Anonymous No.12272323]

>>12272309
By that point SpaceX will just be able to buy off the ULA snipers with their Starlink profits and have them serve as point defense against the Space Wolves.

[Anonymous No.12272324]

>>12272319
What a beautiful landing, I haven't seem mental gymnastics like that in years.

[Anonymous No.12272328]

>>12272278
4ASS Zubrin's Folly

[Anonymous No.12272336]

>>12272278
big chungus ;)

[Anonymous No.12272343]

Anyone got that pic of the big sfg derived rocket?

[Anonymous No.12272346]

>>12272336
that'd be an orbital freighter name, not a launch vehicle.

[Anonymous No.12272348]

>>12272321
>https://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6326/715
Interesting, we'll have to see if it's meta-stable.

[Anonymous No.12272349]

>tfw you're a gay astronaut on a trip to mars
>tfw just you, four other guys, and a tiny capsule for 8 months

[Anonymous No.12272350]

>>12272278
Aelita

[Anonymous No.12272351]

>tfw ywn huff jixuans sweaty armpits

[Anonymous No.12272356]

>>12272346

[Anonymous No.12272362]

>>12272343
Which one?

[Anonymous No.12272366]

>>12272362
your favorite one, anon

[Anonymous No.12272385]

>>12272343
This whole general fetishizes large rockets.

[Anonymous No.12272394]

>>12272323
>space wolves larp
Nothin personell

[Anonymous No.12272405]

>>12272349
Why the fuck does it take 8 months? Why can't we figure out a way to strap more rockets on that bitch and get there quicker?

[Anonymous No.12272407]

>>12272405
It's not that easy in rocketry

[Anonymous No.12272410]

>>12272351
incel board is that way
>>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.12272411]

>>12272405
Chemical rockets are exhaust velocity limited. You need electromagnetic propulsion and either a gorillion solar panels or a nuclear reactor to go really fast.

[Anonymous No.12272415]

Not a single update on the Glonass launch. Any Vlad's care to look out the window?

[Anonymous No.12272418]

>>12272385
Don't kink shame me, just give me the space chode

[Anonymous No.12272427]

>>12272405
It’s 6 months not 8

[Anonymous No.12272429]

Let’s design an efficient nuclear reactor for a heavy lift rocket for thrust and power, preferably without spewing radiation everywhere

[Anonymous No.12272432]

>>12272429
>nuclear reactor
>thrust and power
Nope, you want thrust and power you go the Project Orion route and just nuke everything. If you want something like NEVA it's going to be low thrust but glorious ISP for upper stages.

[Anonymous No.12272434]

>>12272427
and musk has spoken about future Starship revisions (probably larger ones) bringing that number down to 3-4 months. Not bad at all for the distance covered.

[Anonymous No.12272439]

>>12272432
*NERVA
fug

[Anonymous No.12272445]

>>12272429
Start with high temperature MSRs, they were designed for exactly these kinds of applications. They're light, more inherently safe than any LWR/PWR, and energy dense. They need not be very large either, at least compared to power grid reactors, 10-20 tons and in the range of 1-4MW/th should be more than enough for most space applications and for powering nuclear-electric drives.

[Anonymous No.12272452]

>>12272410
>talking about female anatomy preturbs me
Reddit is back the way you came

[Anonymous No.12272455]

>>12271638
The satellites don't know where you are.

[Anonymous No.12272458]

>>12272095
seems like too many starships. that would be what, 1000 starships waiting in orbit, probably another 100+ doing the refueling in orbit, and he'd need double that 1000 starships for the second batch while the first ones return, so at minimum ~2100 starships in his fleet. Meanwhile google told me there are < 30k planes active in the world, and there are lots of plane manufacturers and they're cheaper to make, maintain, everything

[Anonymous No.12272461]

>>12272455
True.

[Anonymous No.12272464]

>>12272445
Yeah a 4MWth/2MWe reactor weighing 10-20 tons would be great. At that point all you need is some better superconductors for making the drive systems less power hungry.

[Anonymous No.12272469]

>>12272434
i can see starship tankers becoming bigger to lower the amount of fuel trips needed to fuel a 9meter starship.

[Anonymous No.12272470]

>>12272458
The high numbers of starships are required to boostrap colonization on a reasonable timeline. Downsizing too much is going to drag the process out several decades longer due to the transfer window.

[Anonymous No.12272471]

>>12272097
ITS is one of the sexiest things i’ve ever seen. I hope we get to see this style of landing leg for the 18m+ versions should they ever be built

[Anonymous No.12272476]

>>12272452
go back to tumblr pham

[Anonymous No.12272482]

>>12271833
Imagine committing treason against the human race for a buck lmao

[Anonymous No.12272501]

>>12272469
surely if they just make the entire thing a giant tank it wouldn't take THAT many trips to top a Starship off. Right?

[Anonymous No.12272502]

>>12272470
I just don't see how it can be payed for, Elon could probably afford a small fleet, but I don't think starlink is going to be making as much money as a lot of people hope. I believe the onyl way you'll see a fleet of that scale is if the US government commits to mars colonization and funds it (which they might if china makes real progress)

[Anonymous No.12272512]

>>12272502
That's what Starlink is for. They've got big defense contracts rolling in now too which will also help pad out their coffers.

[Anonymous No.12272513]

>>12272502
Maybe the best way is to make it a global initiative. I think everyone would be on board with seeing a fleet head off to mars. That said, I wouldn't trust China to be in on it.

[Anonymous No.12272518]

>>12272512
I genuinely like how Elon is playing the long game. Starlink should be a big money-maker to fund more essential ventures.

[Anonymous No.12272520]

>>12271709
Was that from an automatic docking attempt?

[Anonymous No.12272524]

>>12272464
That and a changeup of radiator materials and coolants, using weak-ass aluminum radiators with glycol or ammonia aren't going to cut it, I'd already discussed earlier radiators using thin walled inconel or Alloy-N pipes and carbon fiber fins. LS-VHTR reactors can push temperatures up towards 1400C in the hot loop.

[Anonymous No.12272527]

>>12272502
Starship (if as cheap as claimed by musk) will take over the entire private market.
And more companies who before could not afford it will want their own prive sats too now.
It will create a new market, hell, university's could probably buy a shareride on a starship to launch their own sats.

[Anonymous No.12272532]

>>12272502
>I don’t believe starlink will make as much as the Wall Street economists that spend millions on predictions think it will
I think you’ll be wrong
>>12272513
A global initiative would literally never work. It’d just get bogged down and become an ITER 2.0.

[Anonymous No.12272534]

>>12272471
They'll probably have to be smaller, more like the leg pods on Moonship than ITS, but agreed, I like the conformal aerodynamic landing gear pods.

[Anonymous No.12272537]

>>12272527
>It will create a new market, hell, university's could probably buy a shareride on a starship to launch their own sats.
More than that, I think we'll see universities collaborating to put their own research stations in orbit.

[Anonymous No.12272541]

>>12272537
Universities spread Marxism and should be banned from space

[Anonymous No.12272542]

>>12272520
No, the automatic docking computer at the time failed, and the station crew tried to dock the spacecraft using remote control and simple instruments outside of the spacecraft. They misjudged the speed and distance of the craft and it struck the station.

[Anonymous No.12272546]

>>12272534
What's with the giant spotlights on top?

[Anonymous No.12272547]

>>12272455
Galileo is even better. That constellation doesn't know where you or it is.

[Anonymous No.12272551]

>>12272546
Those are supposed to be the vernier rockets for landing, so the main drives don't have to be fired straight down into the regolith.

[Anonymous No.12272553]

>>12272541
Sure, but at the same time a lot of unie's make a lot of money on research&experimental tech.
They can act as commies but are capitalist as fuck down to the core.

[Anonymous No.12272554]

>>12272546
Landing engines are placed up high, regular raptors would be too powerful and annihilate the moon as it attempted to land.

[Anonymous No.12272558]

>>12272502
>don't think starlink is going to be making as much money as a lot of people hope
If they can make it faster than existing trans-Atlantic connections then the financial sector will pay enormous sums to use it to glean a trading advantage. I mean, shit, they've already dropped billions on trans-Atlantic fiber optics in order to save a few milliseconds. Starlink would be a no-brainer.

[Anonymous No.12272568]

>>12272554
>annihilate the moon

[Anonymous No.12272589]

>>12272502
>don't think starlink is going to be making as much money as a lot of people hope
By Microsoft's count, the US alone has around 162 million people with low quality or no internet access. Obviously not all of those will convert into Starlink subscribers, but the unserved market is immense.

[Anonymous No.12272605]

>>12272589
If Starlink performs as advertised it's going to drain American cities dry as telecommuters move to quieter, safer, cheaper paces to live.

[Anonymous No.12272610]

Does Artemis HLS have another round of qualifications, or are all three proposals basically confirmed? I would hate to see Lunar Starship knocked out of the competition

[Anonymous No.12272612]

I'm actually curious, how will all the alt-righters in here cope with the first person on Mars probably being a minority and the whole colony being hyper-progressive and diverse?

[Anonymous No.12272615]

>>12272227
Starship will probably have the same kind of wall material in the pressurized area lining the walls as Crew Dragon.

[Anonymous No.12272619]

>>12272605
NIGGERS AND CITYFAGS STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY COMFY RURAL NEIGHBOURHOOD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.12272624]

>>12272619
dont forget jews

[Anonymous No.12272627]

>>12272612
>and the whole colony being hyper progressive and diverse
Good thing it’ll cost 25000 dollars to get to mars and mars will require a lot of working class people.

[Anonymous No.12272629]

Are there planets around that formed around the very first stars which are purely hydrogen and helium?

[Anonymous No.12272630]

>>12272612
I don't really know what an alt-righter is, since the term never really seems to get well defined, but I've been to places like California, I've met people who would describe themselves as "progressive" or "diverse" and lived around them and worked with them, quite honestly I don't believe they'd cut it on some far flung outpost here on Earth where the oxygen is free and food is relatively plentiful, much less on Mars where every single survival necessity has to be worked for constantly.

[Anonymous No.12272632]

>>12272612
We will cope by laughing as any minorities kill themselves through tiny mistakes while EVA or are vented for not being able to be high trust individuals in the most high trust society that will ever have existed. Space is antithetical to diversity.

[Anonymous No.12272634]

>>12272612
Those aren’t the sort of people interested in difficult colonial life.

[Anonymous No.12272635]

>>12272612
based imagine the seething

[Anonymous No.12272640]

>>12272630
Alt right is anybody to the right of Ben Shapiro or other Jewish neoconservatives

[Anonymous No.12272643]

>>12272612
if it works it works. Caring about superficial bullshit is idiotic. I personally I think that progressive ideology only works within environments removed from reality, such as university administration or in affluent city populations. Luxury beliefs quickly fall apart in less privileged circumstances, such as mars. But if I'm incorrect about this that's fine by me. The important thing is that it Mars successfully happens.

[Anonymous No.12272662]

>>12272640
Oh, those losers are barely right wing compared to me so I guess I'm alt-right.

[Anonymous No.12272668]

>>12272612
In space no one can hear you REEEE

[Anonymous No.12272678]

>>12272612
By knowing your jewish fantasy will fail, if if even ever comes true. The worst that could be done is women.

[Anonymous No.12272685]

>>12272610
Only 1-2 providers will be selected, happens in spring

[Anonymous No.12272690]

>>12272662
Jupiter physique.

[Anonymous No.12272695]

>>12272690
Mythologically, too. Zeus was the ultimate chad

[Anonymous No.12272698]

How would the inevitable encounter with intelligent aliens in the near future alter our space ambitions?

[Anonymous No.12272699]

>>12272612
Mars needs plumbers, not african dance interpreters or gender studies professors.
So that shit won't come to pass.

[Anonymous No.12272702]

Guess where we're going boys!

[Anonymous No.12272706]

>>12272095
what a time to be alive lads

honestly i'm happy he'll be the richest man on earth soon

[Anonymous No.12272708]

>>12272702
YOUR ANUS

[Anonymous No.12272709]

>>12272699
I expect Marxist ideologues to appear on mars relatively quickly and demand 1 million Africans and trannies. Hopefully we will be able to deal with them swiftly and ruthlessly if need be, night of the long knives style.

[Anonymous No.12272710]

>>12272709
Night of the air lock.

[Anonymous No.12272712]

>>12272502
It's not just Starlink. If you haven't noticed he's also trying to build a factory to churn out rockets. They'll be much lower cost than anything oldspace could come with. More than half of the rocket (the first stage) can be immediately re-used and also doesn't need to be manufactured in large quantity. An oldspace rocket would throw a first stage away with every launch.

[Anonymous No.12272714]

>>12272685
Hmm unfortunately I don't see them going with 2 commercial companies. They will probably want one commercial and one oldspace. And considering the fact that they found ALPACA to be the most practical, combined with the fact that National Team is blue origin + oldspace (old AND new companies) and has Apollo-style architecture, I honestly see them kicking spacex out. But we will see what Jim does. If national team gets kicked out I will shit my pants and celebrate

[Anonymous No.12272716]

>>12272710
Lmao

[Anonymous No.12272718]

>>12272702
To the bank account after we let our timelines slip and ask for more cost plus money!

[Anonymous No.12272723]

>>12272714
It’s possible they’ll want national/alpaca for the early missions and lunar starship for later missions once they start building the base

[Anonymous No.12272724]

>>12272714
SpaceX already has a second Nasa contract to demonstrate orbital refueling outside of the HLS program. Even if Jim somehow decides to cut them they've still but Nasa bux. And that's not even accounting for DoD money.

[Anonymous No.12272728]

I want to hug zubrin, i want to tell him how inspired i am by him. i want to help make his dream real, i will not let him down

[Anonymous No.12272730]

>>12272724
And frankly it doesn't matter, SpaceX could keep development going for years without any external cash just due to the need for Starship to launch Starlink. Plus Musk could always sell 1% of his Tesla stock and that'd probably buy another year or two of development.

[Anonymous No.12272731]

>>12272723
>>12272724
I mean starship is happening regardless if they got absolutley 0 government money. Plus they are already delivering Gateway parts on falcon heavy plus the Dragon XL for cargo. I just want to see lunar starship win because a) it would be kino as fuck, and b) it means the possibility of having national team kicked out which would be fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.12272738]

>>12272731
To add on to this, starship is happening either way. At which point NASA would absolutely want to cash in on it. If Jim is around there is almost a 100% certainty that Starship will have an artemis logo and a worm slapped on it even if it is not selected in the first round

[Anonymous No.12272742]

>>12271521
how would spinning up a smaller operation to do the exact same thing be any more efficient

[Anonymous No.12272744]

>>12272730
It'd be totally stupid for NASA to not be on board in some capacity, even if it's just a token contract small enough to avoid alerting the politicritters.

[Anonymous No.12272746]

I wonder how much mars will be run by SpaceX. Considering Elon plans for a direct democracy, what happens if a majority vote to change the system, or even kick SpaceX out of governance?

[Anonymous No.12272750]

Daily reminder commercial spaceflight will be banned by the Joe Biden administration :)

[Anonymous No.12272751]

>>12272731
Honestly even if Starship somehow lost I still expect them to make some sort of lunar variant just to dunk on everyone else and open it up for tourism. HLS just makes that a high priority instead of a background goal.

[Anonymous No.12272753]

>>12272746
>I wonder how much mars will be run by SpaceX. Considering Elon plans for a direct democracy

He doesn’t. It’ll be like those corporately owned colonies you see in the Alien movies.

[Anonymous No.12272754]

>>12272750
Daily reminder joe Biden isn’t going to win after he promised to make 11 million illegals citizens and end the oil industry. He literally pissed off corporate elites and working class Americans at the same time.

[Anonymous No.12272756]

>>12271551
it would not transform the iron oxide back into iron, anon
iron oxide ceramic isn't the best material

[Anonymous No.12272757]

>>12272742
Just make a 1/2 scale Raptor bro, no problem. And make a full production line since you're gonna need dozens of them lmao.

[Anonymous No.12272760]

>>12272746
Elon HAS said Mars will be a direct democracy, but keep in mind this is likely only for the first few hundred people whom will all be scientists and engineers. Every "direct democracy" vote will be for things directly tied to the upkeep of the colony. Once you get people there like cooks and artists and liberals it will likely transition away from direct democracy. I guarantee you Elon was just speaking from the hip here. He does not have a plan for Mars politics nor does he need to consider it for another 10 years or so

[Anonymous No.12272762]

>>12272753
He’s said it’ll be direct democracy several times. I’d much prefer a corporate dictatorship but I don’t know...

[Anonymous No.12272768]

>>12272760
True, direct democracy will likely only apply up to the first couple thousand at most.

[Anonymous No.12272769]

>>12272762
Direct democracy with 100 or 1000 people isn't a bad thing. It's only as the colony becomes a full blown city that it will need to be reconsidered. At which point is hope they would just write their own constitution.

[Anonymous No.12272776]

>>12272760
Representative democracy, with every representative being geologists. Geofags always lean heavily one way or another on the political spectrum but love compromising with eachother. They are either stoners or oilmen but they find common ground over beer

[Anonymous No.12272781]

>>12272762
>He’s said it’ll be direct democracy several times

And? Elon Musk is a businessman.

[Anonymous No.12272782]

>>12272776
The perfect political system doesn’t exi-

[Anonymous No.12272783]

>>12272723
BO's lander and ALPACA cover similar mission profiles. You only need one or the other, not both. As you said, Starship is a different beast entirely and it doesn't really make sense for it to be competing under the same banner, but whatever.

>>12272724
Someone inside NASA is enuring that Spacex gets some cash. Good on them.

[Anonymous No.12272786]

>>12272612
>2020
>still believing the alt-right is real

[Anonymous No.12272787]

>>12272001

Short for Dakimakura. Hug pillow covers that usually have a female anime character laying on sheets with one side being clothed and the other being nude or in underwear in a suggestive position.

They are way too lewd for my waifu tho.

[Anonymous No.12272790]

>>12272783
I think between national team and alpaca, alpaca wins if bride stone is the admin and national team wins if he isn’t.

[Anonymous No.12272791]

>>12272787
That’s very depressing.

[Anonymous No.12272794]

>>12272786
don't be naive anon. they've been pulling the strings of us government for four years

[Anonymous No.12272799]

>>12272760
If you make everything transparent by law and have a functioning media that exposes secrets and is resistant to being compromised things could work out pretty well.

[Anonymous No.12272800]

>>12272787
>Censored nipples
>Uncensored asshole

[Anonymous No.12272804]

>>12272800
>Uncensored asshole

not sexual

[Anonymous No.12272810]

>>12272804
The female butthole is the most sexual thing on earth.

[Anonymous No.12272812]

>>12272810
Only if you are grandmaster anal slut like Siswet

[Anonymous No.12272822]

>>12272810
John Carmack, how did you find your way into our thread?

[Anonymous No.12272839]

>>12272822
Is Carmack into anal or something?

[Anonymous No.12272874]

>>12272762
>TFW no Enlightened Absolute Monarch of Mars
Unironically the best choice

[Anonymous No.12272875]

how the fuck are they going to transport the Super Heavy booster? Modular design that can be put together on-site? Ship it via cargo ship?

[Anonymous No.12272879]

X-33 Aerospike running on Methane Y/N?

[Anonymous No.12272882]

>>12272875
... a crawler or barge.

[Anonymous No.12272883]

>>12272875
>how the fuck are they going to transport the Super Heavy booster?
E2E

[Anonymous No.12272891]

>>12272875
Seems to be some doubt they will ever launch a fully engined heavy from boca chica (no plans for diverter) and a lot of talk about sea launch makes me think there's no plans to transport over land, they will just be constructed and put on a barge

[Anonymous No.12272907]

>>12272879
Big Y. A huge reason for the project's cancellation was the unholy idea of making a large carbon fiber hydrogen tank. Removing the hydrogen from the equation should simplify things significantly.

[Anonymous No.12272922]

>>12271345
I didn't realize the SS were design to ascend on such high AoA

[Anonymous No.12272923]

>>12272429
>preferably without being a fucking cuck
AUTOPHAGIC FISSION TORCH SRB

[Anonymous No.12272935]

>>12272839
High functioning autists somehow grow unhealthy fascination for humanoid excrement system.

[Anonymous No.12272941]

>>12272879
N, fuck SSTOs, and fuck aerospikes by extension because the only point of putting up with their tradeoffs is SSTOs.

[Anonymous No.12272943]

>>12272935
Curious. I’m mildly autistic and generally prefer anal.

[Anonymous No.12272951]

>>12272879
>>12272907
Methalox Venturestar with a BE-4 or Raptor tier linear aerospike engine would probably have at least 40 tons of payload to LEO.

[Anonymous No.12272968]

Redpill me on propylene.
Does the double bond give off more energy when broken compared to c-c single bonds?

[Anonymous No.12272970]

>>12272754
Bye bye orangutan

[Anonymous No.12272982]

>>12270471
0% chance Starship makes the HLS contract but I gaurante they’ll get at least a bit more money

[Anonymous No.12272983]

>>12272951
With anything short of a nuclear engine (which has its own issues) it wouldn't even put itself in orbit and land again, let alone carry payload. X33 was a paper rocket based on faulty assumptions and methane wouldn't fix it.

[Anonymous No.12273020]

>>12272875
Probably transport via ship since they're right next to the ocean.

[Anonymous No.12273036]

3.5x rescale is better than stock

[Anonymous No.12273055]

>>12273036
also Secondary tank separation confirmed

[Anonymous No.12273065]

>>12273036
>not playing with toy-scale

[Anonymous No.12273066]

>>12273036
legitimately asking, why would you do this instead of RSS/RO

[Anonymous No.12273076]

>>12273066
I want more challenge than the stock system, without the hassle of RO and RP-1

[Anonymous No.12273102]

>>12273076
>Mun mission in stock: maybe 30 minutes from the time I start the game
>Moon mission in RP1: 30 minutes of the game loading, then 10 hours of craft design, flight tests, redesign, flight test, avionics fuckery, life support fuckery, flight test, game crash, 30 minutes of loading, flight test, actual launch
understandable have a great day

[Anonymous No.12273119]

FAT FUCKING SCIENCE REWARDS

>>12273102
even here it took me like 3 fucking days of planning for this mission, just because it's the first manned interplanetary mission in the rescale, and I also have TACLife Support, so I designed those two cargo modules on the sides

[Anonymous No.12273142]

>>12273119
The kerbalism science system is kinda neat though. Instead of just "get to the biome and hit the button", you need to actually spend time in each biome for the science to work. It incentivizes longer mission durations, polar orbits, landers, etc.

[Anonymous No.12273155]

>>12273102
>play with RP-1
>can relate

I like needing to plan the whole program eg. needing a comms net before I can hit some inclinations or putting my ISS at hte moons inclination for easy resupply.
That said getting a good 50t to LEO rocket with '60s tech took me ~3 hours the other day.

[Anonymous No.12273156]

>>12272542
I read they were actually testing whether they could ditch the kurs autodocking system altogether in favor of manual controls. They undocked the progress that delivered cargo earlier and then tried to re-dock it manually. Except they somehow didn't account for it now being like 2 tons lighter without cargo and yeeted it towards station at sanic speed and the operator couldn't tell it was going too fast through the crappy remote control system camera until it was too late.

[Anonymous No.12273176]

>>12272762I like the constitution created by the 5 tribes before Europeans arrived in America - only men could hold office but only women could vote. Based on women could judge if men were assholes or not better than men (still true for today I think) but men would lead when necessary rather than just talk.

[Anonymous No.12273186]

>>12273176
I love this idea- also trannies automatically forfeit their right to vote or hold office or breathe the crisp recycled air as they will be thrown out the airlock

[Anonymous No.12273199]

>>12273156
Imagine if they hadn't fixed the same problem with the Starliner service module separation burn.

[Anonymous No.12273204]

>>12273199
What sound does starliner make when it crashes into the ISS?

[Anonymous No.12273206]

>>12270471
MECHANICAL YEET

[Anonymous No.12273211]

>>12273206
>2km/s launch velocity
So this is for suborbital throws, right?

[Anonymous No.12273219]

>>12273204
Hello, this is moors mutual launch insurance

[Anonymous No.12273224]

>>12273206
Hold on, I'll do you one better.

[Anonymous No.12273232]

>>12273204

[Anonymous No.12273233]

>>12273204
"Sir please do the needful and revert back."

[Anonymous No.12273241]

>>12273224
>Elbonian space program in RO/RP-1

[Anonymous No.12273243]

>>12273065
>playing with toy-scale rockets

[Anonymous No.12273249]

Why do human-carrying spacecraft not launch with only enough fuel to get to orbit, and water for all other manoeuvres?
You've got plenty of time and energy to synthesise fuel once you're in orbit, and carrying water instead of hydrogen+oxygen gives you all the benefits of LH2 without the drawbacks.

[Anonymous No.12273274]

>>12273249
because synthesizing hydrolox out of water is expensive in both mass required to do this and time and energy

[Anonymous No.12273280]

>>12273249
The energy and equipment budget for on-orbit electrolysis and chilling them to cryo temperatures is way more of a hassle than just shipping tanks of spicy bone cancer.

[Anonymous No.12273285]

>not mixing your own rocket fuel

[Anonymous No.12273296]

>>12273249
>I'll just store my H2 as water to save dry weight
>still need all of the dry weight for an ascent stage H2 tank, plus extra for the power supply, water tank, and weirdo electrolysis interstage
Don't see that coming out positive for your mass equation. If instead it was an orbit only NTR I could possibly see a use in electrolyzing water, running it on H2 and trying to find semi-useful ways to dump the oxygen (cold gas rcs, LANTR injection), but I'd rather just take the ISP hit and use the water directly in that case.

[Anonymous No.12273301]

>>12273296
what if you just used water in your NTR

[Anonymous No.12273309]

>>12273301
That's what I meant by using the water directly

[Anonymous No.12273311]

>>12273301
You technically could but why not just carry hydrogen. It's lighter so when you spit it through your reactor, it spits out a bunch of hydrogen (which is lighter than water, thus you get more bang for your buck).

[Anonymous No.12273318]

>>12273311
incorrect
methane, which dissociates into hydrogen and HC ions

[Anonymous No.12273325]

>>12273233
kek

[Anonymous No.12273335]

>>12273311
I like water for an NTR. Yeah it halves your ISP compared to H2 being more than ten times as dense, non-cryogenic, and not leaking do a lot to make up for it. Methane is also good, it's somewhere in between.

[Anonymous No.12273338]

I despise NTar

[Anonymous No.12273343]

What about coal powered rockets? Make it so finely powdered that it becomes micro-dust.

[Anonymous No.12273351]

>>12273343
Clean Coal fueled SRBs when?

[Anonymous No.12273362]

>>12273351
>>12273343

[Anonymous No.12273371]

>>12273285
why are you making rockets in prison bro

[Anonymous No.12273381]

>>12273371
He's going to fly himself to freedom

[Anonymous No.12273397]

>>12273371
Like 90% of the stuff in that picture could be used to make a shiv.
Anon would stab himself faster out of prison then use rocket to fly out or blow himself up

[Anonymous No.12273401]

>>12272278
Von Braun

[Anonymous No.12273413]

>>12273401
Spirit of Von Braun, or the USS Eisenhower are the only correct answers

[Anonymous No.12273430]

>>12272278
Final Frontier

[Anonymous No.12273434]

>>12272874
>Ywn be a Vanguard cartographer employed by Cyborg Emperor Musk to bring all Martian industry online and under his control so Mars becomes a beacon of knowledge and civilization across human controlled space

[Anonymous No.12273486]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKFBW6UoFH8&feature=emb_title

Noguchi Soichi made a Youtube channel.

[Anonymous No.12273497]

Racial homogeneity should be required in Martian cities

[Anonymous No.12273504]

>>12273486
FUCK he's talking about Elon Musksan but I don't speak japanese

[Anonymous No.12273519]

>>12273486
Fuck bros. How long until SpaceX inevitably turns into a unicorn company??

[Anonymous No.12273520]

>>12273504
I can undertan about 60% of what he says because of animu... but some subtitles would be nice.

[Anonymous No.12273523]

>>12273335
Water vapor would also probably work for HDLT propellant (since we know CO2 does), which means you can pass liquid water over your reactor as coolant and feed the steam to the thrusters for plasma dissociation and expulsion. Ice ISRU without the need for electrolysis is massively valuable.

[Anonymous No.12273527]

>>12273519
We got too cocky commercialbros

[Anonymous No.12273528]

>>12273486
The auto captions call him "色マスク".
It took me a while to figure out why he was talking about a colored mask.
>>12273520
>he hasn't been learning how to read moon captions quickly in vidya

[Anonymous No.12273536]

>>12273528
Where were you when colored mask saved Earth with his stock unicorn company

[Anonymous No.12273539]

UUUHHHUUUUUUUUUHUHHUUHUHGHGHHH

[Anonymous No.12273544]

>>12273539
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.12273554]

>>12273536
based iro-kamen

[Anonymous No.12273572]

>>12273554
I love that the Apollo guys are now cheering Elon on.

[Anonymous No.12273576]

>>12273523
When you're hurting more for thrust than ISP (ie basically any electrical thruster) it's a no-brainer imo

[Anonymous No.12273598]

>>12273211
>>12273206
How is this better than launching the same thing from a jet? You'd still need to be yeeting a Pegasus sized rocket, but now it's a Pegasus sized rocket built to survive the silly G loading involved in this contraption.

[Anonymous No.12273607]

>>12273206
>>12273598
Uh, did I enter some number wrong, or is this thing just built to turn rockets into a fine paste along the outer wall

[Anonymous No.12273614]

>>12273576
Also propellant availability.
>Space Racing League opens up
>ULA's "Razorback" is made with gram-autism and no expense spared, dominating all the short and medium range runs
>but it takes ten tons of xenon for a day of thrust, meaning it has to take lower energy trajectories when refueling depots are far apart
>4ASS's janky scrap heap "Cirno" with water vapor based HDLTs and a scavenged aircraft MSR hastily clad in shielding can run dick-wagging brachistochrone trajectories all the way to Pluto, blasting Eurobeat on wideband any time it overtakes another more expensive ship

[Anonymous No.12273617]

>>12273607
Nope lol 10k+ gees, imagine when they open that airlock as well, pretty sure it will just fucking explode.

[Anonymous No.12273634]

>>12273362
this is fucking wild

[Anonymous No.12273640]

>>12273362
tech level 0 coal dust powered ramjets in realism overhaul when

[Anonymous No.12273646]

>>12273519
SpaceX is now a Hectacorn. 100+B company

[Anonymous No.12273651]

>>12273607
In the ballpark of what an artillery shell feels axially, kek. At least they can feed it 155mm

[Anonymous No.12273652]

>>12273362
German autism strikes again
Main reason why they lost WWII

[Anonymous No.12273674]

Saw the Starlink train fly overhead tonight. Crazy shit. They looked like a big white line flying across the sky. They lose their brightness quick though. You get maybe 20 seconds to see them before they disappear.

[Anonymous No.12273692]

Dammit, Scott.
>HULLO-39

[Anonymous No.12273693]

>>12273692
Looks like a kids room.

[Anonymous No.12273704]

>>12273692
>Abaddon's Gate behind him
based

[Anonymous No.12273708]

>TBD
OH NO NO NO
OH NO NO NO NO NO
https://www.ulalaunch.com/missions/next-launch/delta-iv-heavy-nrol-44

[Anonymous No.12273715]

>>12273708
RESULTS

[Anonymous No.12273723]

>>12273715
OVER

[Anonymous No.12273727]

>>12273723
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.12273732]

>>12273486
>>12273519
>>12273528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2RprYNorZI
Ep 2

[Anonymous No.12273774]

>>12272923
Based and USSApilled

[Anonymous No.12273785]

please.. just.. let it end...

[Anonymous No.12273805]

Anyone notice that SpaceX is looking to hire a resort development manager?

[Anonymous No.12273807]

>>12273805
Yeah, they’re gonna turn Boca Chica into a non-shithole to attract talent (and potentially monetize the land with a resort in the process).

[Anonymous No.12273813]

>>12273708
This is not news, we knew they were indefinite on the range for a while

[Anonymous No.12273816]

>>12273607
They've spun up smartphones to full speed. You seriously underestimate the durability of some goods.

[Anonymous No.12273820]

>>12273807
Muskistan will grow larger

[Anonymous No.12273819]

>>12273813
It's been on the pad for two months (in four days) due to repeated hot-fire aborts. That's at least somewhat newsworthy.

[Anonymous No.12273822]

>>12273598
to start with, no need for a jet. I bet this may be a flop on Earth, but it will be solid on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.12273825]

>>12273805
yeah they are gonna to turn starship into an amusement part once elon tells his fans starship wont fly.
they use the stainless steel tubes to build water slides. SPACEX WATER SPLASH!!

[Anonymous No.12273845]

>>12273816
>some goods
>a rocket
unless they go pure solid with no moving parts (which would be neat) you have to deal with big tanks full of liquid

[Anonymous No.12273871]

Thread has staged.

Ignition:
>>12273868
>>12273868
>>12273868

[Anonymous No.12273890]

>>12273732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ANiPYdmAw
I lolled out loud