/sfg/ - Space Flight General.

[Anonymous No.12267581]

Starlink edition.

Previous: >>12264820

[Anonymous No.12267594]

>>12267581
first for left wing is objectively right
and right wing objectively wrong

related to rocketry because right wings think rocketry shouldnt be distributed, but anything the world makes owes it to the working poor

objectively force elon musk to buy a starship to each poor coutnry to make up for their facist evil sexually represed mistakes and help the good pretty objectively good peopels

[Anonymous No.12267598]

shit first post do it over

[Anonymous No.12267600]

>>12267594
weak bait and reported.

[Anonymous No.12267601]

Next Starlink launch scheduled at 11:31 EDT today. The one after that is scheduled to fly in November.

[Anonymous No.12267603]

HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12267606]

>>12267598
non related to spaceflight you right winger

heres how space related posting looks:

rockets fly fast sideways to stay in orbit

now you try

[Anonymous No.12267609]

>>12267594
>derailing a thread before it has even started

[Anonymous No.12267614]

>>12267600
>this is innefective at triggering me
>MOMMY MOMMY TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME I CANNOT STAND TO EVEN LOOK AT IT MUCH LESS DEBUNK IT REEEEE

please post stuff related to space

the soviet union was a very prominent actor in the development of spaceflight, its contributions are often unknwon because of less press in the western world

[Anonymous No.12267617]

>>12267609
it wouldn't derail if people didn't answer it

[Anonymous No.12267618]

>>12267594
Left wing thinks we shouldn't bother with space travel at all because people need more gibs.

[Anonymous No.12267624]

>people responding to the bait for any reason
cmon guys

[Anonymous No.12267625]

>>12267606
No, rockets just coast while constantly falling. Flying has nothing to do with orbit except getting there.

[Anonymous No.12267629]

Assuming SN8 actually survives the 15km flight, what happens next?

[Anonymous No.12267631]

>>12267594
Incredibly and undeniably based

[Anonymous No.12267634]

>>12267594
moar gibs

[Anonymous No.12267639]

>>12267603
31.december maybe

[Anonymous No.12267642]

>>12267625
wrong. starship is a lifting body

try again retard

[Anonymous No.12267649]

>>12267629
SNine and probably SNuper Heavy soon (tm).

[Anonymous No.12267652]

>>12267598
first for space mommy

[Anonymous No.12267656]

>>12267624
Yeah idk why sfg seems so susceptible to trolls. It's funny sometimes but this bait is so obvious and low quality how could anyone bring themselves to reply (unless they're double trolling)

[Anonymous No.12267659]

>>12267652
are there any pics of her in a swimsuit?

[Anonymous No.12267662]

>>12267603
Waaaay before Starship practically beats the shit out of an actual SLS model in performance.

[Anonymous No.12267665]

>>12267642
everything is a lifting body you inbred.
Starship is just a very very shitty lifting body.
It's like calling a hat a helmet because it slows the bullet a little bit

[Anonymous No.12267671]

>>12267642
It's not generating any lift in space.

[Anonymous No.12267676]

>>12267603
after we replace all three engines that got brapped to death 600 times per second. at least 2 weeks, probably 4

[Anonymous No.12267681]

>>12267662
Thanks doc

[Anonymous No.12267682]

>>12267634
How can one be so ignorant?

[Anonymous No.12267684]

>>12267629
nothing, the whole project gets cancelled, elon sells his company and becomes a turnip farmer. Next human flight beyond LEO will be by the SLS in 2045.

Nah jk, they will maybe make one or two more jumps with it but probably just take it apart and examine it. If this test flight goes well then the whole projects bottleneck becomes super heavy, yes you can still test out a few things and they probably keep on testing with the next couple of SN because theyre not just gonna stand idle while super heavy gets constructed. They will probably make some more similar hops, altitude doesnt change much in this case, you could maybe send one filled to the brim to study that, you can test it at higher velocities by performing a mid flip burn and landing back at the same spot or send it on a suborbital trajectory to land at the sea and marginally test the heatshield, maaaybe even make some sort of raft landing.

But the thing is, if this maneuver works, its trivial that they can get the thing to orbit without a chance of returning it, the problem becomes getting it to orbit and back. So basically you need superheavy, which you cannot churn out as easily as you do starships. So basically superheavy will become the bottleneck. Bookmark this post

[Anonymous No.12267686]

>>12267676
>asemble your starship with 3 engines that are supposed to last for 1000 flights
> test them for 10 seconds to see if they work
>ok they work, lets switch them out for new ones for the flight
>new ones explode because you didnt test them

boy this isnt the ONLY reason why you cant have a rocket company but it sure is a big one

[Anonymous No.12267702]

You fuckers need to stop daydreaming about useless shit and focus on how to solve the real world problems we face on earth we can talk about mars once poverty is solved.
This is no time to waste resources on useless things, the world needs fixing now.

[Anonymous No.12267705]

>>12267684
>which you cannot churn out as easily as you do starships.
Why not? It's just more of the same.

[Anonymous No.12267706]

The combination of page 1 and euro hours just eviscerates the average IQ, huh?

[Anonymous No.12267710]

>>12267686
Im confused by this post, are you recounting events or posing a hypothetical?

[Anonymous No.12267712]

>>12267705
its bigger and you have only one place to assemble it, i know you never worked a real job and think "lel just do it" but complications do actually complicate things.

[Anonymous No.12267715]

>>12267710
Does the pope shit in the woods?

[Anonymous No.12267719]

Grug likes watching fire stick go up
Grug worried new chief take fire stick
Grug dream of stars

[Anonymous No.12267721]

>>12267715
If the pope shits in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Anonymous No.12267722]

@12267702
>>r9K

[Anonymous No.12267724]

>>12267702
Let’s start by bulldozing mansions

[Anonymous No.12267726]

>>12267719
Ugg also dream of stars
Grug fren

[Anonymous No.12267730]

>>12267702
https://youtu.be/oL2B-AAnsHo

[Anonymous No.12267734]

What oxidizer to use for vegetable oil?

[Anonymous No.12267739]

>>12267656
We've been getting an influx of new people who aren't used to the bait.

[Anonymous No.12267741]

>>12267702
I suppose this fat jew is giving away all his wealth to help fix inequalities right ?

[Anonymous No.12267743]

>>12267702
space travel incentivizes the economy, sparks inovation, creates jobs and gives hopes and dreams to the worker class. If it can't do those things it does not deserve to exist.

All humanity is built by all. A kenyan flute player makes a catchy tune, his little brother extracts the diamonds for an ipad.
Elon musk designs his space travelship while inspired by that tune, ilke it or not its part of ac ulture, youre not the same if you listen to different cultures, so if youre in a culture you basically owe it everything because its egotistical and mad to think that youo can not be part of a culture and still exist withotu ati. So were all in this together and spaceflight should be all inclusive for all races, like ray bradbury wanted

[Anonymous No.12267744]

>>12267712
>its bigger and you have only one place to assemble it
As opposed to starship which has how many assembly facilities?
And "Just do it" Is the attitude that drove almost every single achievement in space thus far, not that that was even relevant to what I was asking of you, but you just wanted to have a go because you're a dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.12267747]

>>12267702
>the world needs fixing now
Spoiler: The world will always be shit that's falling apart. People will always be dying every single fucking day.
There will always be inequality no matter how much equity you inject into your utopian dystopi.

And a massive fuck you for making me respond to your obvious bait because fuck you I'm mad at people like that fucking rich ass cunt who is never going to spend a dime of his money to make anything better, he's only going to demand that everyone else does.

[Anonymous No.12267748]

About an hour to go.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2gbVgTxLgN0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Anonymous No.12267749]

>>12267748
motherfucker
https://youtu.be/2gbVgTxLgN0

[Anonymous No.12267750]

>>12267739
good. Romantization of the past is shit. 4chan was always shit. It was filled with literal pedophiles who never achieved anything trying to be as nasty as possible and thinking that because some genius are also nasty then they are also somehow geniuses.

Hard work, patience, good manners, tolerance of all genders and a deep respect for human rights are unironically objectively good things and the fact that these "oldfags" think that is even 0.001% not the case is staggeringly idiotic pathetic and evil on their part.

Space travel is driven by constructive will to create and make pretty things for all mankind not petty stupid destructive desire for bad things

[Anonymous No.12267751]

>>12267634
>dude-weed-lmao guy doesnt understand spaceflight
How is this surprising?

[Anonymous No.12267752]

>>12267749
Eh, it works anyways. If you use the /embed/, you get a full screen view without the cancer youtube interface in the way.

[Anonymous No.12267755]

>>12267747
>Spoiler: The world will always be shit that's falling apart. People will always be dying every single fucking day.
it's considerably worse in the xx century, yes i know we have like medicine and shit. But in order to have that half of the world population is living in conditions that could be said to be worse than that of a medieval serf

[Anonymous No.12267757]

>>12267741
His money would barely make a dent , the billions the government wastes on space programs would.
>>12267743
>space travel incentivizes the economy, sparks inovation, creates jobs and gives hopes and dreams to the worker class
So does building housing projects, maybe not the sparking of innovation but who cares when there are people dying on the streets? It will still help the economy, create jobs and give hope to the working class in that they will be taken care of in the future.
And you end up with more than just a shitty rocket, you have houses and infrastructure at the end of it.

[Anonymous No.12267759]

>>12267755
Ten countries in the world stands for the vast majority of gibs to all those poor countries. I happen to come from one of those which is the very top.
That country has a population of barely 5 fucking million.

I'm tired of hearing rich fucking cunts whine about me not doing enough. If it was up to me, it would all be cut because it's not fucking working. All it does is prop up dictators and make people addicted to it.

[Anonymous No.12267762]

posting sexy pic

[Anonymous No.12267765]

>today, anon visits the internet for the first time!

[Anonymous No.12267766]

>>12267757
>So does building housing projects, maybe not the sparking of innovation but who cares when there are people dying on the streets?
Space flight costs literal cents compared to a social housing programs. Both are needed, the R&D benefits cannot be understated, most modern computers come from the apollo program, do you think it was worth it?

[Anonymous No.12267772]

>>12267762
looks like it was taken from a spy satellite, if anyone but the us had such good quality in their spy satellites

[Anonymous No.12267775]

>>12267757
>His money would barely make a dent , the billions the government wastes on space programs would.
still it would help hundreds and send a strong signal !
aren't the jews always so eager to lead the world into progress ?

[Anonymous No.12267778]

>>12267757
OMGGGGG YOU JUST HATE SCIENCE IS THAT IT?? When we go to Mars you are gonna be BANNED from Mars Base Alpha you hater. Cant stand ppl like you

[Anonymous No.12267787]

>>12267778
>we
who's we?

[Anonymous No.12267793]

>>12267787
Every sfg poster but you

[Anonymous No.12267799]

>>12267757
>the billions the government wastes on space programs would.
No, it wouldn't. The US annually spends $735 billion on its various social programs. NASA's annual budget is $22.6 billion. Adding NASA's budget to the social programs budget would increase the amount of spending available on social programs by barely over 3%.

Think about the amount of homeless and starving in the US right now. Do you honestly think that 3% would help them in any meaningful way? Do you think that getting an extra 3% is worth forcing thousands of highly skilled engineers into unemployment and crippling America's space infrastructure worth it?

[Anonymous No.12267800]

>>12267749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8K0HrAS3fU

Mission Control audio for those interested by the way. There were some people unaware in last launch thread that this was a thing.

[Anonymous No.12267804]

Where's that Zubrin poster when you need him...

[Anonymous No.12267817]

>>12267800
I think they just said they were go for prop load

[Anonymous No.12267820]

>>12267739
All it takes is a few typical /sci/zos to notice the /sfg/ threads. Have you looked at the catalog page?

[Anonymous No.12267821]

>>12267817
I was in the kitchen, but yes. That was indeed what they said. That's in line with the launch timeline for a typical F9 launch.

[Anonymous No.12267826]

>>12267634
>I am actively trying to avoid casting white people
>trying to shift culture towards degeneracy
>anti-spaceflight
Holy fuck shit /pol/ was right about these fuckers

[Anonymous No.12267830]

Anyone got a webm of the first Falcon 9 landing?

[Anonymous No.12267831]

>>12267821
Thats a good sign because the weather is only 60% chance to launch

[Anonymous No.12267836]

>>12267649
SH seems a bit too fragile

[Anonymous No.12267838]

>>12267831
Nah, they always load propellant even if it's a 40%. This is bog standard. Doesn't mean jack shit.

[Anonymous No.12267841]

>>12267826
/pol/ is always right

[Anonymous No.12267843]

>>12267841
Readibg through the thread, it's clear there are wumaos about. China wants to discourage, lol.

[Anonymous No.12267849]

>>12267843
Baizuo is the term you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.12267850]

>>12267836
It's steel.

[Anonymous No.12267856]

>>12267841
the saddest words of tongue and pen

[Anonymous No.12267859]

>>12267850
All the prototypes failed at the weld joints

[Anonymous No.12267860]

>>12267684
Superheavy would be easier than starship, the only difficulty is working with all those engines, or even producing them fast enough for each test

[Anonymous No.12267862]

>>12267860
28 engines worth of plumbing is anything but "easy".

[Anonymous No.12267863]

>>12267681
This is SpaceX, not Dr. Bigelow.

[Anonymous No.12267865]

>>12267862
>28 engines worth of plumbing is easy
I agree.

[Anonymous No.12267871]

>>12267865
Bet you can't even deal with the plumbing from a fucking toilet on your own.

[Anonymous No.12267873]

>>12267862
They already do it with falcon 9, why would you assume they can't with superheavy?

[Anonymous No.12267874]

>>12267702
wtf, i just watched the 40-year-old virgin with him in it and had some good laughs, i hate learning what those actors are like in real life

[Anonymous No.12267875]

>>12267871
ok bro you got him. just go home bro, come on bro

[Anonymous No.12267878]

>>12267862
>28 engines worth of plumbing

[Anonymous No.12267880]

>>12267873
they put 28 raptors on a single falcon 9 ? holy shit that's insane. i was under the inpression theyve only ever made 50 raptors in histry

[Anonymous No.12267882]

>>12267873
Over 3 times the complexity and more complex engines.

>>12267878
Oh yes, totally the same. Those are 3 cores, they are not sipping from the same tank.

[Anonymous No.12267886]

it's fucking happening

[Anonymous No.12267887]

>>12267878
It's just 3 falcon 9 strapped together. youre talking all on a single booster? well, it's not that easy in rocketry

[Anonymous No.12267888]

>>12267880
It's the same problem retard, they have experience designing and installing multiple engines on a single vehicle, pretending that it's different is dimwit behavior

[Anonymous No.12267891]

>>12267886
What in the fuck is that bros? What the hell is goin on in there BROS??

[Anonymous No.12267892]

>>12267882
>Oh yes, totally the same. Those are 3 cores, they are not sipping from the same tank.
It's in the same ballpark. They have the experience and they have the means to test the systems. They can work out how to do 28 engines.

[Anonymous No.12267893]

>>12267887
>well, it's not that easy in rocketry
based
where my #boldenbros at?

[Anonymous No.12267894]

>>12267892
>It's in the same ballpark
It's not even the same fucking ballgame.

[Anonymous No.12267897]

>>12267893
always watching

[Anonymous No.12267898]

>>12267880
cool it with the reddit snark bro, it makes you sound like a fag
>mmmmphhh it's almost as if
>maybe JUST MAYBE
>last time i checked

[Anonymous No.12267904]

>>12267892
>>12267888
Hey jew cock sucker, I want you to go fuck yourself. After that, go read up on a little diddy called N1. Iwon't spoil what happens LOLOL

[Anonymous No.12267906]

>>12267894
How is it not?

[Anonymous No.12267907]

>>12267893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptPdlVAwFg

[Anonymous No.12267913]

>>12267904
>muh N1
Every time. Do rusfags really how fucking primitive their shit was and is?

[Anonymous No.12267914]

>>12267859
Two prototypes have survived flight, one blew up because of a quick disconnect failure, and at least 2 have failed because they purposefully pushed them until there was a failure.
Its not all bad welding.

[Anonymous No.12267915]

>>12267891
Only thing I can think of is scaffolding for the super heavy booster. Slide the rings in top, then you have full access to everywhere you need to weld.

[Anonymous No.12267916]

First for Tesla sexbots

[Anonymous No.12267917]

M U S I C

[Anonymous No.12267918]

>>12267913
realize*

[Anonymous No.12267919]

>>12267898
To be honest, I particularly enjoy intellectual conversations. It's clear you like to be stupid so next time i wont bother replying. you give sfg a bad name

[Anonymous No.12267920]

>>12267886
>Photoshop
>Takes photo of computer screen

[Anonymous No.12267922]

>>12267916
Shitposting from Mars must suck with the huge time delay.

[Anonymous No.12267923]

>>12267904
N1 had less to do with plumbing and more to do with insufficient test of engines (No static fire tests, low quality control)

[Anonymous No.12267925]

Starlink Livestream starting

[Anonymous No.12267926]

>>12267913
>not an argument
Wow, thanks for this post retard

[Anonymous No.12267928]

>>12267919
i'm not even the person you were talking to, take your pills fagit

[Anonymous No.12267929]

>>12267915
seems complicated, but i guess that's the best way to do it

[Anonymous No.12267930]

WHERE THE FUCK IS LAUNCH ANON

[Anonymous No.12267931]

>>12267923
They also had a problematic engine control system. Computers weren't the Soviet's strength.

[Anonymous No.12267936]

>>12267878
god that octaweb configuration is so sexy

[Anonymous No.12267939]

My heartbreaker crush is back for me to swoon over once more. God I love this woman, seeing her next to that Falcon 9 makes me erect.

[Anonymous No.12267942]

>>12267926
You never had an argument to begin with. Russians failing at something because they're braindead commies who deserve the rope is par for the course.

[Anonymous No.12267943]

>>12267939
thats my wife you're talking about buddy

[Anonymous No.12267944]

i'm mad that she still has a job, MAD

there should be no road to redemption for dumb instagram thots like her

[Anonymous No.12267946]

>>12267878
How many rockets do they actually own right now? The one that they're about to fire is one out of how many? One out of one?

[Anonymous No.12267947]

>>12267942
You are clearly very new here

[Anonymous No.12267949]

>>12267939
hope you have a girly body she's a lesbo

[Anonymous No.12267950]

Weak... The SJW woman with warning hair is hosting again.

[Anonymous No.12267951]

>>12267949
fake news

[Anonymous No.12267954]

>>12267946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_first-stage_boosters

Looks like they have 11 block 9.

[Anonymous No.12267955]

>>12267946
I don't know if they have it published, but its at least 6, most likely many more.

[Anonymous No.12267958]

Jessi i want to slid right into. i dont even care that she is a lesbo, i will change her based on my cock. i will soar into the stars with her in our generation ship. we will populate the galaxy

[Anonymous No.12267959]

>>12267947
Sure I am Rogozin, I'm so new I've seen you faggots make the same N1 posts thousands of times and yet you never learn how invalid it is. Do you not have the mental capacity to learn, or are you new?

[Anonymous No.12267960]

>>12267950
Calm down. She's not spewing SJW nonsense. She's just hosting the launch.

[Anonymous No.12267961]

>>12267800
Are they filming from really far away or is that a static picture?

[Anonymous No.12267962]

>>12267944
she never got in trouble for that stunt, or did she?

[Anonymous No.12267963]

Major incel vibes guys. Go get laid to blow of some steam

[Anonymous No.12267964]

>>12267961
Computer 3D map. Shows trajectories once we're off.

[Anonymous No.12267970]

>>12267961
Anon.. I...

[Anonymous No.12267971]

Aposematism.

[Anonymous No.12267972]

>>12267959
>no u
Nah, this is definitely your first thread. it's ok thoughet me teach you. N1 was actually the Soviet moon rocket. It blew up a buncha times. Just like your precious Starship jajaja

[Anonymous No.12267975]

Go for launch!!!

[Anonymous No.12267978]

[Anonymous No.12267983]

so that boca chica gal fucks a nigger? Disgusting race traitor whore

[Anonymous No.12267985]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12267989]

Just me or was there serious abnormal wobble at t+0:28?

[Anonymous No.12267991]

>>12267983
lmao calm down hitler

[Anonymous No.12267993]

>>12267983
thats maria pointer, not bocachicagal.

[Anonymous No.12267994]

>>12267972
retarded spic

[Anonymous No.12267995]

>>12267991
kek all you eggheads whorship a nigger fucking bitch. wtf is wrong with all of you

[Anonymous No.12267997]

>>12267989
I thought I saw that as well, but I believe it was just the camera shaking.

[Anonymous No.12267999]

>>12267983
>american
checks out

[Anonymous No.12268001]

>>12267995
>>12267991
I'm so glad I grew out of my /pol/ phase

[Anonymous No.12268003]

>>12267983
>>12267995
What do you want?

[Anonymous No.12268002]

>>12267993
are you sure? its what came in google

[Anonymous No.12268004]

don't give that pol man (you)s. Leave him alone he seeks attention

[Anonymous No.12268007]

>>12267995
we love our african americans

[Anonymous No.12268008]

>>12267849
Wumaos larping as baizuo

[Anonymous No.12268009]

>SPACE MOUSE SPOTTED

[Anonymous No.12268010]

>spacex still having issues with stage 2 cameras, even after delaying the mission and throughouly inspecting the vehicle
Spacex is finished bros, guess I'm a Boing shill now

[Anonymous No.12268013]

This troll has been shitting up several /sfg/ threads, mods should do something about it if they even give a fuck about /sci/
And hes larping both as right and left fag.

[Anonymous No.12268015]

>I'm so glad I grew out of my /pol/ phase

>don't give that pol man (you)s. Leave him alone he seeks attention

[Anonymous No.12268018]

>>12268009
I saw it, you can kinda see the green screen too

[Anonymous No.12268020]

Don't make me take this out.

[Anonymous No.12268022]

>>12268003
i literally just googled for the first time "boca chica gal" and that is what i first saw in google image search

[Anonymous No.12268023]

>>12267997
it wasn't the regular side-to-side shaking you normally see though, looked like it was noodling from the rear up for almost two seconds.

[Anonymous No.12268029]

>>12268013
dont know who that is, i just wanted to share my surprise at how that bitch fucks a nigger

damn you americans are disgusting

[Anonymous No.12268034]

> that camera shake
> my heart

[Anonymous No.12268035]

That booster is done for, it will have to be retired.

[Anonymous No.12268036]

>>12268020
>The Forbidden Horn Section Instrument

[Anonymous No.12268037]

>>12268013
This, anon thinks he's being funny but all he's being is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.12268038]

>>12268029
i think love is a miracle

[Anonymous No.12268039]

it's a shitposting kinda day huh?

[Anonymous No.12268041]

>>12268039
N

[Anonymous No.12268042]

>>12268029
I went back and looked, definitely looks like the tail is shaking a bit

[Anonymous No.12268045]

>>12268038
its not love

she looks old so I guess she divorced her husband and has now middle life crisis

[Anonymous No.12268048]

>>12268038
i think you're a miracle anon

[Anonymous No.12268050]

>>12267983
go back

[Anonymous No.12268051]

>>12268034
>mrw

[Anonymous No.12268056]

>>12268042
whut?

>>12268042
reread my post, i am literally shocked, not trying to be funny

[Anonymous No.12268057]

>>12268035
Why you say that? It does look like it came down pretty hard, and had a lot of exhaust and flame around the engines.

[Anonymous No.12268058]

>>12268015
>soijack poster
checks out

[Anonymous No.12268059]

>>12268041
1 Heavy

[Anonymous No.12268060]

>>12268034

Yeah, for a second there, I thought the booster crashed but it apparantly nailed the landing just fine. SpaceX needs some sturdier camera mounting to avoid the heavy shakes.

[Anonymous No.12268063]

>>12267970
What stops them from using a gas-generator-powered quadrotor just to film it from really far away? They can stay in air for literal hours

[Anonymous No.12268065]

>>12268050
>>12268056

[Anonymous No.12268066]

Dance?

[Anonymous No.12268068]

>>12268059
MY GOODNESS

[Anonymous No.12268069]

>>12268002
This is Mary.
https://twitter.com/_TomCross_/status/1137424575896141824/photo/2

[Anonymous No.12268071]

>>12268057
>came down pretty hard
if it's standing up straight, it didn't come down that hard
unless every single crushcore shat itself uniformly, which i find unlikely

[Anonymous No.12268072]

>>12268059
>T H I C C
>H
>I
>C
>C

[Anonymous No.12268073]

>>12268059
And that's just the second stage.

[Anonymous No.12268074]

>>12268057
Any tiny crack that might have formed = booster is now a pipe bomb

[Anonymous No.12268075]

>>12268059
Literally tell me why this cant work, bc I never get a good argument from anyone

[Anonymous No.12268076]

>>12268063
The waves are static..

[Anonymous No.12268077]

>look at me I can make dumb posts on /sfg/
Third-world fag

[Anonymous No.12268079]

>>12268060
>SpaceX needs some sturdier camera mounting to avoid the heavy shakes.
I don't think it's a camera issue, but an antenna issue.

[Anonymous No.12268080]

>>12268039
D

[Anonymous No.12268081]

>>12268059
envision the aroma

[Anonymous No.12268084]

>>12268074

[Anonymous No.12268085]

>>12268077
>look at me I can make dumb posts on /sfg/
literally me

[Anonymous No.12268087]

>>12268057
The cameras glitched out from something, most likely the exhaust from the landing burn. What you saw on the screen was distortion and not anything the booster was actually doing.

[Anonymous No.12268089]

>>12268069
cute

[Anonymous No.12268095]

>>12268080

[Anonymous No.12268097]

Lads

Is anyone good at quaternion rotations? I can't understand the solution guide to a problem involving them. Wondering if anyone here could give it a look

[Anonymous No.12268098]

they shook the camera a bit to make the routine landing more exciting :3

[Anonymous No.12268100]

>>12267972
Of course you’re a spic

[Anonymous No.12268101]

>>12268084
Those things seem to fail catastrophically with even minor defects. Loose nut? Explodes. Valve is a little bit sticky? Can't turn the engines on. Valve is less sticky than it's supposed to be? Whole thing explodes. I wouldn't put astronauts on that one booster.

[Anonymous No.12268102]

>>12268079
did you watch the video dumbass? the camera was shooketh

[Anonymous No.12268103]

>>12267993
Aren't they the same?

[Anonymous No.12268107]

>>12268101
Retard

[Anonymous No.12268112]

>a noise
>NOO THE FORBIDDEN RESONANCE
>routine landing
>NOO IT'S GOING TO EXPLODE
Are these people on suicide watch? They should be.

[Anonymous No.12268113]

>>12268101
I think SpaceX knows what they are doing.

[Anonymous No.12268115]

>>12268101
>Those things seem to fail catastrophically with even minor defects.
This isn't the 1950s anymore. Rockets today are more sturdy than that.

[Anonymous No.12268116]

>>12268101
i have a loose nut that's about to explode if you konw what i mean

[Anonymous No.12268117]

>>12268113
Which is why they'll either retire that booster or blow it up to test something

[Anonymous No.12268119]

>>12268087
I mean after the camera stabilized, you can see the exhaust around the engines, and fire around 50% of them. I don't really think the booster is fucked after that guy revealed to a be a retard though. Still strange the landing seemed a bit more violent then others.

[Anonymous No.12268122]

>>12268115
>Rockets today are more sturdy than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAymWDiBRc

[Anonymous No.12268126]

>>12268117
Why the fuck are concern trolls so mind numbingly retarded? It was just a camera issue.

[Anonymous No.12268129]

>>12268101
How many rockets have you seen actually explode in flight?

[Anonymous No.12268131]

>>12268122
>rocket uses russian engines
>blows up
hmmm suspicious

[Anonymous No.12268136]

>>12268122
SLS foreshadowing

[Anonymous No.12268137]

>>12268129
>How many rockets have you seen actually explode in flight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBe-9PKRitw

As you can see, this one tumbled over and exploded because it landed too hard

[Anonymous No.12268139]

>>12268131
literal 40 year old soviet engines

[Anonymous No.12268148]

>>12268122
That was when the Antares used engines built in the 70s and were stored in a warehouse for decades. The engines it uses now are newer and much more reliable.

[Anonymous No.12268152]

>>12268137
That one tumbled over because the landing leg had a mechanical issue that prevented it from locking out, which let it fold in when the rocket's weight pressed on it. "Too hard" had nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.12268157]

>>12268137
>"this one tumbled over and exploded because it landed too hard"
>According to SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, one of the Falcon 9’s legs failed to lock as it touched down, causing the rocket to topple in a “hard landing”. The cause may have been ice buildup during liftoff.

[Anonymous No.12268159]

>>12268148
t. Northrop Grumman employee

[Anonymous No.12268160]

>>12268152
>That one tumbled over because the landing leg had a mechanical issue that prevented it from locking out
And what do you get when you land too hard: mechanical issues

Booster is retired.

[Anonymous No.12268163]

>>12268126
>600hz

[Anonymous No.12268165]

I see this is just going to go in circles.

[Anonymous No.12268167]

>>12268119
Nothing atypical about any of that. You're getting baited by some dude freaking out at his own shadow.

[Anonymous No.12268170]

>>12268160
Did you even read the video description? The mechanical issue was attributed to ice buildup during launch, and not due to the landing.

[Anonymous No.12268171]

>>12268165
thats what orbits tend to do

[Anonymous No.12268172]

i hate this board so much 2bh

[Anonymous No.12268178]

>>12268163
Seems like shills are really starting to worry

[Anonymous No.12268183]

>>12268170
>and not due to the landing
I'm stating that now this one booster has mechanical issues and will have to be retired

[Anonymous No.12268186]

when the fuck will people learn to NOT RESPOND TO FUCKING SHITPOSTERS
IT'S NOT HARD YOU FUCKING RETARDS

[Anonymous No.12268190]

>>12268137
>Not even a full thrust falcon
>Not even a block 5 falcon
>2016

[Anonymous No.12268192]

>>12268172

[Anonymous No.12268193]

>>12268183
But not because of the engine.

[Anonymous No.12268196]

No comfy rocket talk today I guess

[Anonymous No.12268199]

This is why we need separate launch threads. In our time of need, launch bro was no where to be found

[Anonymous No.12268203]

[Anonymous No.12268204]

>>12268178
spacex shills and stans will have to explain to me that raptor was fixed last year when it very clearly is not. musk doesnt want to give a in person update on starship bc the static fire was a complete failure

[Anonymous No.12268211]

>>12268203
What's burning up at the bottom?

[Anonymous No.12268212]

>>12268199
it's saturday, i bet he was sleeping in and missed the announcement

[Anonymous No.12268213]

>>12268193
This thread needs to be blessed.

[Anonymous No.12268215]

>>12268213
Did they bless the N1?

[Anonymous No.12268216]

>>12268213
Meant for >>12268196

[Anonymous No.12268220]

Alright lads, post 'em.

[Anonymous No.12268223]

>>12268211
Probably a combination of reentry heating and leftover propellant in the engines getting burnt out.

[Anonymous No.12268227]

>>12268199
>>12268212
i like how no one can be bothered to click a few buttons to make a new thread, so we need a designated guy in charge of it

[Anonymous No.12268228]

>>12268186
You can instead report them and get their posts deleted like what just happened

[Anonymous No.12268230]

>>12268220
What consumed the gas?

[Anonymous No.12268231]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12268232]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12268234]

>>12268227
He gets a lot of info like weather and launch details. I didn't have the time, and didn't want to half ass it.

[Anonymous No.12268237]

>>12268220
dislike and okay are literally the same color.
t. colorblind faggot

[Anonymous No.12268238]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12268243]

>>12268228
>report them
cowards way out

[Anonymous No.12268245]

>>12268230
make america gassy again

[Anonymous No.12268251]

>>12268231
>>12268238
why hate on saturn? literally the only planet with a cool ring around it

[Anonymous No.12268253]

>>12268215

No, in Soviet times there were none to bless the rockets. If a priest blessed the N1, we might've seen Soviets on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.12268259]

>>12268251
Because it's a kike planet stealing the solar system's jewellery.

[Anonymous No.12268261]

>63rd successful recovery
Jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.12268264]

>>12268253
>based americans read book of genesis in lunar orbit and hold communion on the moon
>cringe soviets blow up their churches and suppress religion
the soviets never had a chance without god on their side

[Anonymous No.12268267]

>>12268261
how can anyone even compete at this point

[Anonymous No.12268271]

>>12268231
>luv 'jup
>luv me moon
>luv mars
>ate earf
>ate venus
simple as

[Anonymous No.12268273]

>>12268267
NASA can if they get their shit together and started playing hard with their contractors.

[Anonymous No.12268277]

Solar sails when?

[Anonymous No.12268278]

>>12268220
Some of these moons I just don't even think about so they're grey, surprised Mars' dinky little asteroid-moons got passed over since some of these are similarly minor but at least the ones around Mars could be useful.

[Anonymous No.12268282]

hey, why did gwynne get deleted :(

[Anonymous No.12268289]

>>12268220
MINE EVERYTHING UNINHABITABLE

[Anonymous No.12268290]

>love urf
>ate space
simple as

[Anonymous No.12268299]

[Anonymous No.12268301]

uggghhhh I'm gonna DEPLOY

[Anonymous No.12268302]

>>12268278
They’re much bigger then the asteroid moons of mars and most of them are believed to have subsurface oceans.

[Anonymous No.12268304]

Is Bezoz ever gonna go to orbit? How soon? Could he steal elon's market? srs replies only

[Anonymous No.12268312]

>>12268304
>Is Bezoz ever gonna go to orbit?
Yes, when he stacks all the money that represents how much Amazon is worth into a green space elevator.
>How soon?
When Amazon becomes a super monopoly.
>Could he steal elon's market?
Yes, after perfecting the Alexia-209 Fulfillment Droids to forcefully take over SpaceX before it can move its office to Deimos.

[Anonymous No.12268313]

>>12268282
?

[Anonymous No.12268314]

>>12268304
He only has a chance of stealing elon’s Market share if new Glenn launches before starship

[Anonymous No.12268318]

Do people really reply to obvious bait still?

[Anonymous No.12268319]

>>12268302
Having a subsurface ocean is starting to get old hat, a combination of an ocean and signs of activity (geysers, salts and shit) is what does it for me. Once you get out to Ceres and beyond everything has water ice anyway so a dead ocean isn't anything that huge.
Speaking of which Ceres and Vesta definitely should've been on there.

[Anonymous No.12268322]

>>12268304
After musk surpasses him in net worth. So around 3 years

[Anonymous No.12268323]

>>12268304
No he's a swindler who stole millions of dollars and has no intention of providing what he promised. He may or may not build a rocket for his own business purposes but that's it.

[Anonymous No.12268331]

New Glenn will fly once a year if that.

[Anonymous No.12268332]

>>12268304
>Is Bezoz ever gonna go to orbit?
I hope so. Only because I like the idea of having multiple Super Heavy Launch Vehicles operational at the same time

[Anonymous No.12268336]

>>12268304
The way things are going New Glenn is going to be behind schedule despite being severely unambitious, which is sad. The entire point of 'muh gradatim ferociter' was that they would be slow but consistent - instead, they are neither. Gonna say orbit '22, regular mission flights '24. No chance of stealing any marketshare because a fully reusable vehicle, which is the baseline he would need to compete, is even further away.

[Anonymous No.12268339]

>>12268336
>instead they are slow but inconsistent* they're still slow kek, I braindumbed

[Anonymous No.12268341]

>>12268304
the real question is, how deep in the hole is blue origin? theyve been operating at a loss in the billions and over 2 decades. does the business case even close??

[Anonymous No.12268347]

>>12268336
>'muh gradatim ferociter'
I remember the hype a couple years back was that this philosophy meant Blue Origin was about to make exponential progress starting right around now

[Anonymous No.12268352]

>>12268347
Why do they even get to be part of the "national team"? why does the USG give them development $$$? SpaceX didnt get shit till they made orbit

[Anonymous No.12268353]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12268355]

>>12268353
are u thinking about making a ring world anon?

[Anonymous No.12268357]

>>12268352
>SpaceX didnt get shit till they made orbit
As it should be. The aerospace industry puts too much value in concepts rather than useable hardware.

[Anonymous No.12268358]

>>12268353
belter scum

[Anonymous No.12268360]

>>12268352
Because Lockheed was closer to having an Ascent Stage ready and Blue Origin was supposedly closer to having a Descent Stage ready. Compare them to Masden and SpaceX, and either trying to compete individually was doomed.

[Anonymous No.12268361]

>>12268355
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12268381]

>>12267886
this is so fake lol

[Anonymous No.12268385]

Subnautica colony hanging from the ice ceiling above the Europa ocean when?

[Anonymous No.12268394]

Finally got around to watching Angry Astronaut and I can't stand the dude. His persobality is super creepy, and content is generally pretty poor quality. I guess if you're into speculation and shit

[Anonymous No.12268401]

>>12268172
this general is the best thing on the board by far

[Anonymous No.12268429]

>>12267734
nitrogen tetroxide

[Anonymous No.12268434]

>>12268401
/sf/ board when?

[Anonymous No.12268439]

>>12268434
never ever, we will have the space elevator board instead

[Anonymous No.12268440]

>>12268434
When SpaceX lands humans on Mars maybe, so probably 2026.

[Anonymous No.12268444]

69m starship . is it possible ?

[Anonymous No.12268450]

>>12268440
I really doubt space travel will ever get popular enough to warrant a board within our lifetimes.

[Anonymous No.12268452]

>>12268439
Based realistic optimist.

[Anonymous No.12268454]

>>12268039
It's the weekend, nigga.

[Anonymous No.12268460]

>>12267581
I thought that was a giant CPU cooler

[Anonymous No.12268463]

>>12268450
That would be the case if all we had was old space, but starship will quite literally change anything, even if it is 10x as expensive and 10x less cadence then claimed.

[Anonymous No.12268468]

>>12268463
Imagine the look on the average rube's face as they start to realize
>"you mean all you have to do is make a big tube and put rockets on the bottom? What the fuck has been taking NASA so long then?"

[Anonymous No.12268486]

>>12267702

[Anonymous No.12268485]

>>12268341
Blue origin is a pet project of bezos, he doesn't care if it goes into the red.

[Anonymous No.12268507]

Old space shills got BTFO by SpaceX every weekend.
Wow

[Anonymous No.12268508]

>>12268434
>/sf/ board is made
>10% of the threads are shitting on SLS and Boing!
>rumors of big jim shitposting in such threads
>regular discussions on how to optimize the volume for an inflatable orbital masturbatorium
>the DIY rocketry general always has a ten page safety guidelines doc in the OP
>anons still blow off their fingers trying to make a propanos slurry
>aerospace engineering porn threads galore
>someone actually makes it to orbit with a frog
>endless speculation on how space culture will develop as it happens right now
>a thread about the first SLS launch had to get pruned within the first 15 minutes
imagine

[Anonymous No.12268514]

>>12268486
cringe

[Anonymous No.12268517]

>>12268486
Based

[Anonymous No.12268519]

>>12268508
I think we'd finally have a board slower than >>>/po/

[Anonymous No.12268522]

>Operation: get off this planet before regressive leftists ruin it and or China starts WW3 over Taiwan
Do we have a shot? I'm almost more worried about China than domestic problems right now, they're saber rattling REALLY HARD about an invasion of Taiwan, and Deutsche Welt did a great investigative piece on it.
https://youtu.be/VkuNWDG3yNM

[Anonymous No.12268534]

>>12268514
>>12268517
Basinge

[Anonymous No.12268541]

>>12268220
>'ate mars
>'ate da belt
>'ate protomeme
>'ate wurm'oles
>luv da URF
nuf said

[Anonymous No.12268543]

>>12267702
fuck off Karen.

[Anonymous No.12268556]

Stop replying to the troll.

[Anonymous No.12268558]

>>12268508
>a thread about the first SLS launch
2060 then

[Anonymous No.12268559]

>>12268534
BAZINGA

[Anonymous No.12268560]

>>12267702
You're more than welcome to solve poverty yourself. The rest of us who, don't care about what other countries on Earth choose to do with their own right to self determination, will stay focused on the final frontier.

[Anonymous No.12268563]

>>12268556
no :^)

[Anonymous No.12268575]

>>12268251
>he doesn't know about the cube

[Anonymous No.12268576]

>>12268486
Unequivocally based and astropilled

[Anonymous No.12268580]

>>12268508
Imagine it’s 2040 and you have anons on mars posting on /sf/

[Anonymous No.12268590]

>>12268580
>Vanguard probe to Alpha Centauri from Mars has launch day pushed back two weeks due to dust storm
>"OH NO MARSBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY"

[Anonymous No.12268591]

Yey

[Anonymous No.12268604]

>>12268514
Kys faggot

[Anonymous No.12268606]

>>12268522
Taiwan being invaded successfully is fairly unlikely, especially now that China has pissed India off. India could piss in China's cereal by interdicting China-bound oil tankers off their coast and in the Indian Ocean and China couldn't do shit about it.

[Anonymous No.12268609]

>>12268522
If a war with China started within the next few years, that'd be the ideal time to do it. Their retarded highway isn't done yet. Russia is in no state to invade anything that isn't basically third world. China has no navy and basically no air force. India is absolutely mad dogging to go into a fight against China. Japan and Korea's anti-China sentiments are at an all time high. China is still incredibly reliant on Australia and the US. Should they invade Taiwan, it'd be an easy victory that would completely shake the Chinese government up. A lot of Xi's power comes from aggressive posturing, if that gets slapped down hard during the first real military action in 70 years, they'd be looking real shitty.

[Anonymous No.12268611]

>>12268604
It’s interesting how these shills never have any legitimate response

[Anonymous No.12268629]

>>12268580
>"marsanon here we just grew our first cucumber here!"
>post pic of it up your butt with timestamp or it didnt happen

[Anonymous No.12268632]

>>12268611
A response to a fucking nigger saying "cringe"? I hope you get a ride on Starliner.

[Anonymous No.12268636]

>/intp/ is on a 3 minute delay to allow light to travel between mars and urf
>the jovian moon fags then join in

[Anonymous No.12268640]

>>12268632
No, I was talking about the faggot who implied space exploration was cringe and we should focus on urf

[Anonymous No.12268646]

>>12268636
At least the jovifags aren't FUCKING FEATHERS. Most of the nonsense shitposting in /intp/ are from oniellfags posting from their Amazon Internet Cultural Enrichment Cages(tm).

[Anonymous No.12268664]

>>12268640
i do find the angry righteousness shtick cringey

[Anonymous No.12268670]

>>12268640
Welp, I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.12268672]

damn, Bennu got rekt

[Anonymous No.12268673]

>>12268514
seething cringe liberal doomer larper. cope more.

[Anonymous No.12268675]

/sfg/ should help China design a rocket to compete with Starship

>100% hypergolic fuels
>cavea B RCS
>precision engineered villages to provide the maximum cushioning on stage landing
>order it with stainless steel, but accept whatever steel the chinese firms supply, regardless of quality (with predictably hilarious results)

[Anonymous No.12268685]

>>12268675
>order it with stainless steel, but accept whatever steel the chinese firms supply, regardless of quality (with predictably hilarious results)
pic rel

[Anonymous No.12268686]

>>12268675
nice try CCP

[Anonymous No.12268688]

>>12268673
sometimes i wonder is people are even speaking english when i see this.

[Anonymous No.12268695]

>>12268486
How is is this mess of memes and insults going to convince anyone? You're not going to change anyone's mind by calling them a faggot or retard.

[Anonymous No.12268703]

>>12268688
Conservatives are like text prediction AIs.Thery don't actually think or have free will.

[Anonymous No.12268706]

>>12268688
that's just proto-martian

[Anonymous No.12268712]

>>12268695
if you're not open to having your mind changed by someone calling you a dumb faggot, you're probably a dumb faggot who wouldn't be swayed by a well reasoned argument anyways

[Anonymous No.12268727]

>>12268703
Sneed

[Anonymous No.12268738]

Today in history:
>1851 – William Lassell discovers the moons Umbriel and Ariel orbiting Uranus.
>1911 – Orville Wright remains in the air nine minutes and 45 seconds in a glider at Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina.
>1946 – A camera on board the V-2 No. 13 rocket takes the first photograph of earth from outer space.
>1957 – The United States Air Force starts the X-20 Dyna-Soar manned space programme.
>1960 – A ballistic missile explodes on the launch pad in the Soviet Union, killing over 100 people.
>1963 – An oxygen leak from an R-9 Desna missile at the Baikonur Cosmodrome triggers a fire that kills seven people.
>1998 – Deep Space 1 is launched to explore the asteroid belt and test new spacecraft technologies.
>2007 – Chang'e 1, the first satellite in the Chinese Lunar Exploration Program, is launched from Xichang Satellite Launch Centre.
>2014 – The China National Space Administration launches an experimental lunar mission, Chang'e 5-T1, which will loop behind the Moon and return to Earth.

[Anonymous No.12268749]

>>12268738
>1957 – The United States Air Force starts the X-20 Dyna-Soar manned space programme.
Never forget what they took from us

[Anonymous No.12268758]

>>12268749
Dynasoar was really cool but if built it would have just been a Titan launched manned version of X-37B. We'd rarely hear about it's missions, and it would spend most of the time taking pictures of Soviet infrastructure. Maybe NASA would manage to get an airframe or two for their own purposes, but it wasn't big enough to replace Gemini or Apollo.

[Anonymous No.12268762]

>>12268749
No, Dynasoar a shit, Big Gemini was stolen

[Anonymous No.12268766]

>>12268758
Dynasoar is one of those projects where practicality doesn't factor into my love for it. It's just cool as hell. If the X-37B had a sick design then I'd probably be unreasonably hyped for that too
>>12268762
Big G is based too and NASA should never be forgiven for choosing the shuttle over it

[Anonymous No.12268773]

>"Any planet that symbolizes anger, war and rampant male sexuality deserves to be blown up"

Hate to say it, but I kinda agree.

[Anonymous No.12268778]

Anyone who replies to trolls ought to be banned.

[Anonymous No.12268786]

>>12268762
>they took this from us

[Anonymous No.12268788]

>>12268786
>one guy manning the space-rudder in the back

[Anonymous No.12268789]

>>12268786
Unironically could a better manned spacecraft have been designed in the 20th century?
>carries boatload of people
>carries boatload of cargo
>partially reusable
>no overambitious design flaws

[Anonymous No.12268803]

>>12268789
>could a better X have been designed with hindsight
I went through a tank sperg phase and learned that the answer is always yes, using perfect hindsight you can always do better than actual engineers did with the materials of the day

[Anonymous No.12268828]

>>12268789
but HL-42 was designed in the 20th century anon...

[Anonymous No.12268853]

https://spacenews.com/spacex-reaches-100-successful-launches-with-starlink-mission/

[Anonymous No.12268879]

>>12268828
>dream chaser gets sidelined and pushed into cargo carrying when STARLINER gets all the funding it needs
There's no justice

[Anonymous No.12268884]

>>12268879
Doubly retarded because the main advantage of dream chaser is that it can land at any old airport. The cargo version doesn't take advantage of this at all.

[Anonymous No.12268888]

>>12268853
How many launches are from this year alone?

[Anonymous No.12268890]

>>12268828
Bor-4 smol no bully

[Anonymous No.12268892]

>>12268879
It was such bullshit that SNC even went to the US Government Accountability Office over it

>Ralph White, the GAO's managing associate counsel, announced that NASA "recognized Boeing's higher price but also considered Boeing's proposal to be the strongest of all three proposals in terms of technical approach, management approach and past performance, and to offer the crew transportation system with most utility and highest value to the government."

[Anonymous No.12268903]

>>12268892
would a sized up dream chaser be a better option for E2E transport than starship with the ability to land on airports?

[Anonymous No.12268923]

>>12268892
Boy that quote ain't aged well

[Anonymous No.12268925]

https://youtu.be/ESQ1bKd7Los

Discuss.

[Anonymous No.12268928]

>>12268925
>Discuss.
No.

[Anonymous No.12268931]

>>12268675
Separate one-off landing engines. No need for reusable nonsense. Landing software is people. The landing sim they trained on is made in unity using real-world experimental data from prototypes.

[Anonymous No.12268932]

>>12268695
it's like that because I got it off of 4chan from years back

[Anonymous No.12268935]

>>12268925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MJgqTerw9o

Discuss

[Anonymous No.12268940]

>>12268892
>NASA "recognized Boeing's higher price but also considered Boeing's proposal to be the strongest of all three proposals in terms of technical approach, management approach and past performance, and to offer the crew transportation system with most utility and highest value to the government."

[Anonymous No.12268947]

>>12268940
>past performance
The only thing that mattered and matters to this day. Enjoy your financial scraps, muskrat.

[Anonymous No.12268953]

>The failure during a test of the X-33's complex, multi-lobe composite-structure cryogenic hydrogen tank was one of the main reasons for the cancellation of both the X-33 and the VentureStar
*ahem*
FUCK CARBON FIBER
AND FUCK HYDROGEN

[Anonymous No.12268960]

>>12268953

Imagine a Venturestar on methane or propane with carefully designed and built aluminium tanks.

[Anonymous No.12268967]

>>12268960
Then Congress would reject it because they were dead set on cancelling it and forcing the project to use technology that has been demonstrated not to work is a good scape goat.

[Anonymous No.12268970]

>>12268508
>anons still blow off their fingers trying to make a propanos slurry
This reminds me.

I built myself ball grinder to make propellant and everything went fine while I was grinding things separately but then I had a brilliant idea born by troubles in mixing the oxidizer and fuel - what if i ground them TOGETHER!? Lo and behold approximately quarter kilogram of rocket candy powder being ground to microns using... steel balls taken from bearings.

The shed was gone and for days I could find ball bearings embedded into various objects ganging from trees, walls, and even a particularly thieving cat whose lives clearly ran out at that dramatic moment.
Good thing it was eastern europe and in the middle of nowhere. If I go back to DIY'ing my own rocket to orbit I'll make sure to follow some basic guidelines next time.

TLDR: steel makes sparks

[Anonymous No.12268976]

>>12268903
No, it's a disadvantage. The biggest limitation Starship would have on it where it can put down is proximity to populous areas due to sonic booms, same would apply to a spaceplane. If you don't have a runway with an acceptable standoff distance you're SoL or at least have a construction project on your hands, SpaceX can just put a barge where they want it.

[Anonymous No.12268990]

>>12268970
>I was grinding things separately but then I had a brilliant idea born by troubles in mixing the oxidizer and fuel - what if i ground them TOGETHER!?
>The shed was gone
>I could find ball bearings embedded into various objects ganging from trees, walls
>and even a particularly thieving cat

[Anonymous No.12268995]

>>12268925
>soiboi has reddit opinions
>disbuss
why would i faggot?

[Anonymous No.12269014]

>>12268892
The government would have been way better throwing starliner money at SNC. Had a crewed dreamchaser been made it would at least be better than starliner and already have made it to orbit and might have even delivered the flag. Also the money could have gone into uncrewed dreamchasers to phase out the FUCKING EXPENSIVE x-37

[Anonymous No.12269017]

>>12268925
Anon you're doing it wrong, you're meant to post a twitter screenshot of somebody who's opinions have 0 actual reason to be given the time of day. Everyone seeing it will be able to read it fully and get angry at it, while almost no one here is going to spend 15 minutes to watch the video to see what they should be angry about.

[Anonymous No.12269022]

>>12269017
You sound upset anon

[Anonymous No.12269023]

Is Starship going to end up heavier or lighter using steel? I know that steel is heavier than other materials but I also know that it has some advantages- such as it requiring a less bulky heat shield.

[Anonymous No.12269026]

>>12268970
holy shit my sides

[Anonymous No.12269029]

>>12268220
>no pluto
into the fucking trash

[Anonymous No.12269028]

>>12268879
I pray for a future where SNC gets to build a runway at Boca for a mega astrodome in texas. Fuck brownsville they can learn to live with the sonic booms. Peak future would be SNC-SpaceX-Armadillo Aerospace working in harmony to BTFO political government oldspace (although I'm pretty sure Carmack officially killed armadillo, but SNC is still alive)

[Anonymous No.12269037]

>>12269029
my dick is bigger than pluto for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.12269040]

>>12269028
>Armadillo Aerospace

[Anonymous No.12269042]

>>12269037
Don't give a shit, it's still a planet to me.

[Anonymous No.12269043]

>>12268953
FRIENDLY REMINDER
They picked this over the DC-X/Delta Clipper, even though this was significantly more expensive, and had no working prototype, Because "We like landing like airplanes more :) "
We could have had a completely reusable, vertically landing SSTO by 1999 to replace the space shuttle

[Anonymous No.12269044]

>>12268970
>TLDR: steel makes sparks
ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No shit it does.

t. ex. industrial worker

[Anonymous No.12269045]

>>12269042
based pluto chad

[Anonymous No.12269047]

>>12269017
> you're meant to post a twitter screenshot of somebody who's opinions have 0 actual reason to be given the time of day. Everyone seeing it will be able to read it fully and get angry at it
How about we do the opposite of that?

[Anonymous No.12269049]

>>12269043
someone redpill me on the clipper. Could it really pull SSTO off while carrying a reasonable payload? How would it survive reentry?

[Anonymous No.12269052]

>>12269047
wtf trump likes space?
#DefundNASA

[Anonymous No.12269055]

>>12269040
Based company with the potential of SpaceX but the owner considered it more of a hobby than a future. Carmack was too busy chasing asian poon to focus on escaping to the stars

[Anonymous No.12269058]

>>12268970
based retard

[Anonymous No.12269063]

>>12269043
>>12269049
If it has "SSTO" in the name it should not be taken seriously. Next question?

[Anonymous No.12269065]

>>12269023
Elon has stated that steel is the lightest option for a reusable spacecraft. Everything else requires more TPS and insulation mass. The only exception may be titanium alloys but those are a nightmare to work with and very expensive, so don't hold your breath on any titanium-body launch vehicles.

[Anonymous No.12269066]

>>12268773
>anger, war and rampant male sexuality
Stop anon! I can only get so hard

[Anonymous No.12269067]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12269071]

>>12269055
>Carmack was too busy chasing asian poon to focus on escaping to the stars
An understandable and based folly. But what else did they have going for them besides some rinky-dink landers?

[Anonymous No.12269075]

Window port cutting test on the left?

[Anonymous No.12269079]

>>12269049
It was essentially shaped like a giant reentry vehicle for a nuclear warhead and it would've dived nose-first through the upper atmosphere before flipping itself upright and landing.

>>12269065
Dyna-soar would've been titanium and it was the preferred option for most early shuttle concepts for the same reason, but it was just too expensive and they were discouraged from using it because there were worries about a titanium shortage in the aerospace industry too.

[Anonymous No.12269080]

>>12269063
They picked a reasonable SSTO for the x-33, which was also an SSTO, just a lot more expensive and they failed to make the prototype model, even though DC-X already demonstrated vertical landing being viable over landing like a plane
They were practical considering the economics of spaceflight, and limitations of computers in the 90's

[Anonymous No.12269089]

>>12269071
Aside from being an absolute autistic genius, he was arguably more loaded than Musk when he started the company. I think it was always a "side project" for him though- and he doesn't have the business savvy Musk has. Nor did he care to hire anyone like Shotwell to help do anything with the company. Those dinky landers were pretty great for their time and had some really fucking good software that could decide how to autonomously land

[Anonymous No.12269091]

>>12269075
could be rcs and gridfins for superheavy too

[Anonymous No.12269094]

>>12269067
which countrys flag is this?

[Anonymous No.12269097]

>>12267799
I’ll answer you for him since he left.

Oh wow anon, I am such a fucking Moron . Thank you for setting me straight.

[Anonymous No.12269105]

>>12268970
That's not making me feel comfortable building a hybrid motor. Still gonna do it though.

[Anonymous No.12269110]

>>12269049
If the final design were big enough to achieve a ~91% propellant mass ratio with maximum payload it could reach orbit. If I go ahead and assume a 0.5% payload mass ratio, that means for a 20 ton payload capacity you'd be looking at a vehicle that weighed 340 tons dry with payload and 4000 tons wet with payload.
Just for reference, hydrolox has a bulk density of 280 kg/m^3, which means to carry 3660 tons of it we'd need a combined total useful tank volume of 13,072 cubic meters. That's a shitload of volume for a vehicle that can only mass 320 tons dry after adding thermal protection coatings and engines.
So yeah, SSTO Delta Clipper would probably have never happened, though it still had a better chance of happening than SSTO Venture Star.
A two stage to orbit reusable launch vehicle based on the Delta Clipper concept would have worked fine though. The thing is, if you imagine how they'd optimize a TSTO Delta Clipper, its design would rapidly converge with Starship, simply because Starship is already built using smart decision making for eliminating cost, complexity, and useless mass.

[Anonymous No.12269132]

what do you guy's think this is? It looks like a water tower to me

[Anonymous No.12269136]

>>12269132
A VTOL water tower

[Anonymous No.12269137]

>>12269132
A weather balloon or a digital artifact

[Anonymous No.12269142]

>>12269132
Clearly a prop in attempt to invite investor money. All experts in the field are fully aware the US already heavily invests in its own heavy lift rocket and isn't interested in starting secondary projects. Heavy lift rockets are impossible without heavy government support due to the extreme financial requirements and zero commercial use.

[Anonymous No.12269153]

>>12269132
>Crane still attached
So when does it stand on it's own?

[Anonymous No.12269154]

>>12267961
it's KSP

[Anonymous No.12269155]

>>12269132
It's a new brewery.

[Anonymous No.12269156]

>>12269110
>~91% propellant mass ratio
That strikes me as optimistic number, seems to me like it's based on spherical cow numbers (constant ISP, ignoring gravity and aero losses) and reality is actually more harsh.

[Anonymous No.12269158]

>>12269132
sometimes a water tower is just a water tower :)

[Anonymous No.12269159]

>>12269079
>It was essentially shaped like a giant reentry vehicle for a nuclear warhead and it would've dived nose-first through the upper atmosphere before flipping itself upright and landing.
actually a pretty cool solution

and shame about titanium having great stats but just being generally unavailable.

[Anonymous No.12269163]

>>12268394
I watched one video and he came across badly. Very much into himself and really opinionated but not in a humorous or enlightening way, just amateurish and crumby.

[Anonymous No.12269164]

>>12268318
Metal Gear?!

[Anonymous No.12269167]

>>12269142
Kek

[Anonymous No.12269169]

>>12269163
There's nothing more uncharismatic than a person who's not an expert talking as if they are

[Anonymous No.12269172]

>>12269156
Yes. I gave it super optimistic numbers just to humor the concept. Even with that optimism the vehicle still sucks, 4000 tons liftoff mass for 20 tons of payload to LEO (and of course no ability to go beyond LEO).

[Anonymous No.12269177]

>>12269172
clearly the answer is to make it even bigger

[Anonymous No.12269208]

>>12268970
I was in Poland for NYE one time and lordy Lord it was fucking mayhem at 12pm. Mass drunkenness obviously, nutters letting off rockets from their hands, random people setting off racks of display fireworks as if its a backyard roman candle. You maniacs know how to have a good time

[Anonymous No.12269211]

>>12269169
Yeah I should have added tedious and charmless to boot

[Anonymous No.12269219]

>>12269047
wtf I hate space now

[Anonymous No.12269224]

>>12269159
Titanium is also aids to work with

[Anonymous No.12269229]

>>12269132
Navaho Heavy upper stage

[Anonymous No.12269233]

>>12269075
Hnnnnnng these new segments look fucking TIGHT.

[Anonymous No.12269235]

>>12268970
I could never for the life of me ignite rocket candy powder with sparks, even huge ass ones from a lighter. In the end I still decided against the idea though because I was pretty sure I won't like the result in the off chance it ignites.

[Anonymous No.12269242]

If you stick one of these on top of a V2 could you get it into orbit?

[Anonymous No.12269244]

>>12268703
in my experience it is liberals who talk like that though

[Anonymous No.12269246]

>>12269242
probably not but it would be cool

[Anonymous No.12269250]

I predict sn8 will stick the landing, but the upper half will collapse off the lower tanks and cause an explosion when the header tank hits the ground

[Anonymous No.12269252]

>>12269242
I don't think a V-2 could carry an Me163. The Komet is over 4 times the designed warhead weight of the V-2 when fueled.

[Anonymous No.12269254]

>hey guys if we put an x-1 on a redstone rocket could it get to orbit???

[Anonymous No.12269258]

>>12269254
this question but unironically

[Anonymous No.12269263]

>>12269254
Just use three Navajos.

[Anonymous No.12269264]

>>12269254
I feel like most early career RSS attempts end up being something like this.

[Anonymous No.12269268]

>>12268947
Okay but the problem for Boing! is that the past decade of performance for their government contracts has been abysmal. Hence why they're now being rejected from everything, lander contracts, resupply contracts, it's more Noeing than Boeing.

[Anonymous No.12269271]

Why the fuck do liberals always say they want to have some gay Star Trek federation? I want a mix of the Great crusade era imperium from WH40K without the state atheism and the corrino imperium from dune

[Anonymous No.12269272]

Could it be scaled up to Raptor size?

[Anonymous No.12269274]

>>12269252
A V2 had a max thrust of 25 tons for it's own mass of 13.5 tons, minus the 2 ton payload is 11.5 tons. A fully fueled komet is slightly less than 9 tons. So that gives our komet V2 around 20 tons of weight, so it can indeed just about get that off the ground.

[Anonymous No.12269276]

>>12269272
That’s pressure fed, right?

[Anonymous No.12269277]

>>12269254
>>12269264
X1 cockpit has a service ceiling of 75km in RP1 now to prevent that, you'd need the X15 cockpit. Which you totally can get into orbit on an Atlas or Navajo cluster.

[Anonymous No.12269278]

>>12269250
I don't know, but the upper half looks to be pretty heavily reinforced. No balloon tanks here.

[Anonymous No.12269281]

>>12268778
You can get banned for riling up the schizos on /a/ and /u/

[Anonymous No.12269283]

>>12269271
Star Trek includes validation of all their gay politics through unlimited free energy and free shit.

[Anonymous No.12269288]

>>12269277
X-15B on a Navajo cluster remains my favorite idea of the early space race
>pilot had to eject from the craft prior to landing and the craft would then crash so it wasn't even reusable

[Anonymous No.12269289]

>>12269271
>they want wimpy 24th century pre-Dominion War Federation
>but not the based 23rd century post-Klingon Federation

[Anonymous No.12269291]

Imagine being the maniac to propose an x-15 strapped to 3 titan first stages
>>12269268
>Past decade
Lmao you mean last 30 years of dev work right?
The last exclusively Boeing made rocket, the Delta III, exploded twice with satellite payloads for its first 2 test flights, and partially failed it's third flight with a dummy payload, by launching into the wrong orbit, then the program of was cancelled, in that time they par made a rocket through ULA that's not complete shit, but expensive, failed to test fire SLS, and delayed that test fire for 6 years, and failed building a capsule, that currently still hasn't been successfully tested lmao

[Anonymous No.12269292]

>>12269281
Normalfags not welcome on /a/. Keep out niggers

[Anonymous No.12269295]

>>12269289
Realistically, I wonder what the geopolitics of the 23rd century will be

[Anonymous No.12269299]

>>12269271
because liberals enjoyed it when it felt like the US was running the world and imposing our values through the UN after 1945 and they assumed that the natural course of history was to progress toward a unified world government. the federation was a projection of that belief.

Carter even said on the voyager plaque that he wanted Earth to join the space UN.

[Anonymous No.12269302]

>>12269295
Trying to guess that would be like someone from the early 1800s trying to guess what we're like now
>if only they knew how bad things would really be

[Anonymous No.12269303]

>>12269075
>porta-shitter right next to the new parts

[Anonymous No.12269305]

>>12269288
tbf that's how Vostock worked too

[Anonymous No.12269307]

sadly you are right

[Anonymous No.12269308]

>>12269289
>>12269295
IT WILL BE GLORIOUS

[Anonymous No.12269312]

>>12269252
Sooo... V2 Heavy?

[Anonymous No.12269316]

>>12269302
>Starship nosecone is processed
>1865, Jules Verne

[Anonymous No.12269318]

>>12269295
>geopolitics
Who cares. System politics will be what it's about.

[Anonymous No.12269320]

Elon should put a GoPro and some lights in the starship fairing for the 15km hop

[Anonymous No.12269321]

>>12269292
/a/ is reddit at this point

[Anonymous No.12269322]

>>12269318
Bullshit, the only way that geopolitics stops being relevant is some gay one world government thing, which will naturally occur on colonized planets but isn't happening on Earth. The question is whether China has become the dominant superpower or is going through another warlord period after getting it's ass kicked.

[Anonymous No.12269323]

>>12269305
the whole advantage of spaceplanes is their usability. It's funny because it just shows how desperate the US was at the time
>Oh fugg sputnik just went up what do we have?
>just stick some cruise missiles together and throw that new high altitude research plane on it
>landing from orbital speeds? we'll figure that out later

[Anonymous No.12269331]

>>12269323
>shows just how desperate the US was at the time
my point is that the Soviets weren't under nearly as much time pressure but still decided to give Gagarin a parachute and a good luck note instead of actually designing a landing system

[Anonymous No.12269330]

>>12269322
The us itself right now is on a path to stagnation or collapse honestly. And I disagree with you on colonized planets automatically becoming global governments

[Anonymous No.12269332]

>>12269322
If the US stops being the sole global superpower, China isn't gonna be able to usurp that position. Instead, things will collapse into a multi-polar world order like pre-WWII. The conditions that led to America dominating the planet after 1945 are unlikely to ever be repeated.

[Anonymous No.12269337]

>>12269332
I agree. Although I don’t see Russia Balkanizing/collapsing like America and china, I don’t see it having the power projection capacity to become a superpower.

[Anonymous No.12269340]

>they think the US is about to deteriorate from its position as global superpower when it's poised to become the sole proprietor of the first cheap ride to space
Good luck fuckers, we're in for part 2

[Anonymous No.12269342]

>>12269340
More likely, an independent Texas becomes the nation with cheapest access to space in 15 years.

[Anonymous No.12269343]

>>12269330
Not sure about the US collapsing, it's been through worse than what is currently happening and only seems shaky in the weak minds of those who have no hindsight or historical literacy, but I definitely agree with colony worlds not forming uniplanetary governments.
Of course, in the short term that would be the case simply because there would be insufficient people to form more than one government, but once their populations start to swell they'll become factious just like here on Earth. Colonists on other worlds will still be human after all, it is in our nature to form teams and gangs and factions as soon as populations get to certain sizes.

[Anonymous No.12269346]

>>12269332
>a new Concert of Nations period
Fuck it why not, full send.

[Anonymous No.12269350]

>>12269308
dont make me knife you

[Anonymous No.12269351]

>>12269331
Vostok could have landed people in the capsule but the Soviets were too spooked to try it

[Anonymous No.12269352]

>>12269337
An American Civil War in the modern era would almost certainly not lead to balkanization (or even a single major secession as seen in 1861). The political divisions that drive the current partisanship are almost exclusively urban vs rural as opposed to regional. Blue cities surrounded by red small towns and wilderness don't exactly lend themselves to separation.

[Anonymous No.12269360]

>>12269242
What the fucks the point of that tiny ass propeller on the front?

[Anonymous No.12269364]

>>12269360
It dampens any sharp gusts of wind so that they don't damage the hull of the plane

[Anonymous No.12269365]

>>12269360
https://www.enginehistory.org/Propellers/Seppeler/SeppelerProp.shtml
>This propeller directly drives a 2,000 watt, 24 volt, direct current generator to charge the 20 amp-hour storage battery secured in the nose of the aircraft.

[Anonymous No.12269367]

>>12269295
Depending on whether or not chinese dominate the world/solar system in the next 50 years, we might see a shift from european/american sci-fi to an auhoritarian conformist/corrupt future from china controlling the larger solar system

[Anonymous No.12269369]

>>12269360
Apparently it’s a ram air turbine meant to provide electrical power for the aircraft.

[Anonymous No.12269370]

>>12269352
There are larger regional differences then you believe, and the political spectrum is much more divided in America then just “right vs left”. There are whole regions of America that are wholely leftist, even in the countryside, and if you took a right winger from Utah/southern Idaho and the southeast they’d probably have many disagreements. Combined with the fact that once America collapses into a state of war, one faction completely reuniting it would potentially require fighting and winning against a decades long insurgency in an area much larger then modern Syria or even Vietnam, and I don’t see one faction reunifying america once things are through.

[Anonymous No.12269375]

>>12269342
they would be completely dependent on California for their engines

[Anonymous No.12269377]

>>12269370
>once America collapses into a state of war
You sound pretty certain lmao. Anyway, having lived in rural areas all over the country, I think I can authoritatively say that a rancher in California has more in common with someone in the rural south than anyone 50 miles away in LA. Hell, I saw more confederate flags on display in rural Utah than I have in parts of Georgia.

[Anonymous No.12269378]

>>12269365
Thanks

[Anonymous No.12269379]

>>12269375
SpaceX and Tesla are moving over to Texas.

[Anonymous No.12269382]

>>12269377
Still, you don’t think Mormons in Utah will jump at forming Deseret, or nationalists in the south reforming a confederacy? Also, my scenario is assuming a civil war occurs. If it doesn’t I see America stagnating and becoming a Brazil 2.0.

[Anonymous No.12269393]

>>12269382
I lived in rural Utah for a year. Mormons are probably the only demographic group in the country that’s sufficiently organized and regionally-concentrated to secede if they wanted to. However, they’re also some of the most patriotic fuckers in the country, and given the fact that they’re all over the US military and intelligence establishment, it’s honestly more likely that Mormons take over America than leave it.

[Anonymous No.12269399]

>>12269393
Good luck convincing the rest of the country to live under a Mormon theocracy. Rather, they would use their positions in the government to make it easier for an insurgency at home.

[Anonymous No.12269400]

>>12269393
Mormons are admirable. It’s a good meme, in the literal Dawkins sense.

[Anonymous No.12269403]

>>12269399
>Good luck convincing the rest of the country to live under a Mormon theocracy

Mormon-Muslim theocracy running death camps for atheists when?

[Anonymous No.12269404]

>>12269291
to be perfectly candid I don't think humans should be riding in something made by boeing

>Delta III
lord the reasons for these losses are something else:
>software adapted from the Delta II caused a guidance failure during first-stage flight
>The second stage engine experienced a pressure anomaly and rupture
>apogee was 2,710 km lower than the targeted 185 × 23,404 km
If I remember right multiple rockets have been lost to copy-pasting code from an older rocket

[Anonymous No.12269407]

>>12269322
>which will naturally occur on colonized planets but isn't happening on Earth

I doubt that. Different factions and cultures setting up colonies won’t necessarily be willing to “unite”.

[Anonymous No.12269408]

>>12269403
Next year hopefully

[Anonymous No.12269409]

>>12269403
Oh yeah I forgot. We might see a literal jihadist organization form in Minnesota if a civil war breaks out

[Anonymous No.12269412]

>>12269337
>Although I don’t see Russia Balkanizing/collapsing like America and china, I don’t see it having the power projection capacity to become a superpower.

Putin would reform the USSR in wars of conquest given the opportunity

[Anonymous No.12269414]

>>12269399
It wouldn’t take the form of an overt Mormon theocracy. It’d be Mormons using their outsized governmental influence, well developed militia network, and regional unity to influence an unstable America towards their interests.

[Anonymous No.12269415]

>>12269403
>>12269399
The Mormon Church is both rich and fanatical enough to buy a bunch of Starships and fuck off to Mars on their own.

[Anonymous No.12269417]

>>12267581
people need to start worrying about the growing anti-space sentiments coming from the progressives. Remember how we joked about SJWs and not they are infiltrating everything, well please stop joking about these anti-space ppl.
I can almost bet these people will start to come out against fusion soon the closer we are to cracking it.
They seem hell bend on making sure people dont goto space and escaping their misery.

[Anonymous No.12269419]

>>12269417
Don't worry once Trump wins we can go back to not caring about what these literal whos think

[Anonymous No.12269420]

>>12269370
>There are whole regions of America that are wholely leftist, even in the countryside
no there aren't lol. You are obviously a foreigner making bad assumptions from bad data.

[Anonymous No.12269424]

>>12269409
I’ve never understood why Christians and Muslims are seemingly so at-ods when their worldviews are much more similar to eachother’s than they are to modern materialistic atheism, a creeping corruption which has no place for religious tradition. Team up and stomp on it.

[Anonymous No.12269430]

>>12269424
Muslims believe that Christians have the devil inside them. Kind of a hard thing to reconcile

[Anonymous No.12269433]

>>12269420
Look at precinct maps of the 2016 election, then look at New England and the southwest, retard.

[Anonymous No.12269441]

>>12269067

[Anonymous No.12269453]

This thread is too depressing so posting good engines. Starting with an AJ10.

>>12269404
>If I remember right multiple rockets have been lost to copy-pasting code from an older rocket
Sloppy copy paste is the natural result of not giving your software team enough time and manpower early on and then pushing them to meet unrealistic deadlines.

>>12269417
>Remember how we joked about SJWs and not they are infiltrating everything
They were infiltrating everything starting in the 1950s because they are the successors of Soviet spies and McCarthy did nothing wrong. Trump rallying his base around space expansion is enough to make half the country ignore any criticisms of space expansion on raw tribal reflex, which is exactly what we need right now. Mocking them, and the SJWs, is a necessary first step in combating them.

[Anonymous No.12269455]

>>12269430
The Quran states that Christians and Jews are “people of the book”, and should be allowed separate non-Shariah courts based on their own holy texts.

"Let Christians judge according to what We have revealed in the Gospel"-Quran 5:47

[Anonymous No.12269459]

>>12269433
Democrat isn’t necessarily leftist.

[Anonymous No.12269463]

>>12269453
Here's an RS-25. Despite all the faults with the SLS, the engines certainly aren't one. I just wish they were pushing a second stage instead of sea level hydrolox.

[Anonymous No.12269466]

>>12269419
You still have to worry about the people in media and influential positions that share the same mentality. Those people hold power longer than 8 years. Trump can only slow them down for so long.

[Anonymous No.12269468]

>>12269433
I have lived in both places. >>12269459 is correct. Rural Democrats are either black, brown, or corrupt union voters. They are not in any way true believer commies.

[Anonymous No.12269469]

>>12269463
If cost is a factor, and it absolutely should be, R25 can never be called a good engine

[Anonymous No.12269472]

>>12269466
There’s a timeline out there in the ether somewhere, kinda like the “Red Son” Superman comic, in which Elon Musk sets up shop with Communist China.

[Anonymous No.12269476]

>>12269469
The problem with the RS-25 is that it's all prototypes. There are no attempts to streamline and compact these engines like SpaceX did with the Merlin engine.

[Anonymous No.12269482]

>>12269400
Yeah, they’re some of my favorite people. The proportion of Mormons that are hardworking, honest, and at least minimally educated seems to be higher than any other group in America. Their religion is a bit loopy, but that’s none of my business.

[Anonymous No.12269483]

>>12269476
I mean why would you need to. It's design worked fine the first time and the government is buying it so you could get away with charging millions and millions and making it as complex as possible because you're getting that sweet money either way

[Anonymous No.12269485]

>>12269466
>Trump can only slow them down for so long.
By that point it will be too late. Starship will be running and hopefully, with any luck, SLS will have made a flight or 2

[Anonymous No.12269491]

>>12269463
Here are sea level and vacuum Raptors being prepared for Starship.

[Anonymous No.12269492]

>>12269472

More realisticaly would be Elon Musk settling down in Russia and teaming up with an oligarch or two.

>>12269331

My favourite part of Gargarins flight is that he had to use a farmers phone to call Moscow that he landed safely but the farmer mistook him for an alien. lol.

[Anonymous No.12269498]

>>12269455
You're delusional or naive if you believe Muslims are in any way tolerant of Christians and especially Jews

[Anonymous No.12269501]

>>12269498
Jews and Muslims working together against Christians goes back to Moorish Spain.

[Anonymous No.12269509]

>>12269472
Elon setting up shop in China would be sugoi, no cucked regulations and bullshit to hold them back, full speed ahead.

>u wan launch peoporu on numbah wan testo fright?
>OK here 10 virragers

[Anonymous No.12269512]

>>12269468
I have family in New England and have lived there for several years, they are socially liberal champagne socialists often.

[Anonymous No.12269513]

Can the people who discuss religion please move over towards >>>/his/ and make a thread there? I thank you beforehand for doing this and keep /sfg/, /sfg/.

[Anonymous No.12269514]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12269518]

>>12269501
I think something MIGHT have changed since then. Though I also have no doubt that Jews are working with Muslims against Christians these days when it suits.

[Anonymous No.12269519]

>>12269509
I read that in rucka rucka ali's voice

[Anonymous No.12269523]

>>12269513
/sfg/ has always been an offtopic disaster when there is nothing happening.

[Anonymous No.12269524]

>>12269453
nice. I'm kinda new to this stuff so I'm unfamiliar with engines outside the big ones like F1, RS-25, Raptor, etc. What was good about he AJ10? Just a reliable hypergolic engine?

Speaking of hypergolics, is it true that China is more into them? Think I heard that before but I'm not positive.

[Anonymous No.12269526]

>>12269514
Based Jool-colored Jupiter

[Anonymous No.12269528]

>>12269523
that applies to all generals

[Anonymous No.12269529]

>>12269523
It’s not a huge issue. The discussions here seem to be relatively level-headed even when off-topic.

[Anonymous No.12269534]

>>12269529
Embracing off-topic posting is the first step to becoming /kspg/

[Anonymous No.12269537]

>>12269534
and?

[Anonymous No.12269538]

>>12269518
The Sunni states in the Middle East, particularly the gulf states, all support israel

[Anonymous No.12269539]

>>12268220

[Anonymous No.12269542]

>>12269534
Embrace the /kspg/

[Anonymous No.12269543]

>>12269485
You're still thinking in the short term. Building a self sustainable colony anywhere is still a long ways down the road. You will need constant supplies from earth just to support it. What happens when the anti space sentiment goes unchecked and you have people boycotting or targeting the companies that supply all the materials?

[Anonymous No.12269549]

>>12269292
Don’t worry nobody wants to browse that shit.

[Anonymous No.12269550]

>>12269526
'ate urf, simple as.

[Anonymous No.12269552]

>>12269537
>>12269542
I mean the mess that the actual thing became, not kspposting which is at least mildly space-related and a good entry point

[Anonymous No.12269554]

I know how to get us off the topic of religion!

[Anonymous No.12269555]

>>12269417
>Gorman
Every
Single
Time

Yes, they are hell bent on us never escaping them.

[Anonymous No.12269559]

>>12269543
>What happens when the anti space sentiment goes unchecked and you have people boycotting or targeting the companies that supply all the materials?
Realistically? We will bitch about them but they will achieve nothing. When was the last time a boycott did anything? Now multiply that by "fuck you" because the public doesn't move the needle an inch on anything in the supply chain as it's all either vertically integrated, coming from an aerospace partner, or industrial bulk goods.

[Anonymous No.12269564]

super heavy stacking when

[Anonymous No.12269570]

>>12269555
Your careless J-dar is an embarassment to anti-semitism.

[Anonymous No.12269575]

>>12269543
Don’t delude yourself. Space travel is deeply embedded in the military-industrial complex.

[Anonymous No.12269579]

>tfw Uranus will forever be the most bullied planet
Also how does /sfg/ pronounce Uranus?
>Your-anus
>Urine-us
>You-ranus

[Anonymous No.12269582]

>>12269575
and thats a good thing

[Anonymous No.12269583]

>>12269579
Nep-tune is how I've always said it

[Anonymous No.12269594]

>>12269579
Oar-Onos

[Anonymous No.12269596]

>>12269582
Of course it is.

[Anonymous No.12269597]

>>12269579
>Your-rectum

[Anonymous No.12269604]

>>12269579
Use lube

[Anonymous No.12269611]

>>12269518
Its not so clear cut. there is a difference in sunni and shia muslim that isnt discussed. For instance its the sunni's you should be worried about all the terrorists have pretty much been sunnis who practice a branch of it called wahabbism. The shia and sufi are the chill ones who typically work with christians and other religions

btw the working "theory" behind why sunni work with jews is that the Saudi royal family are crypto jews.

anyway if you look at Shia, they get along more with christians. lebanon and syria are examples.

[Anonymous No.12269618]

I love spaceflight give me pics of the most complex rocket engines ever built

[Anonymous No.12269619]

>>12269579
honestly we should just rename that planet. Could be planet obo for all i care. Or just give change how its spelled to give it its proper pronunciation.

Oranös

[Anonymous No.12269620]

>>12269618
Sent ;)

[Anonymous No.12269622]

>>12269579
>heres ur anus bro

[Anonymous No.12269631]

>>12269622
what were they thinking????

[Anonymous No.12269636]

>>12269524
The AJ10 is a good, reliable upper stage hypergolic. It was the Apollo CSM main engine.

[Anonymous No.12269650]

>>12269579
just fucking rename it to Caelus.
Even now Uranus is misspelt as it's actually spelt Uranos.
Even the fucking mesopotamian name for Uranos "Anu" would be better

[Anonymous No.12269654]

>>12269619
correct

[Anonymous No.12269656]

>>12269636
It was also the orbital maneuvering engines on the shuttle and the upcoming engine for Orion

[Anonymous No.12269663]

>>12269650
>Anu
CHEEKI BREEKI

[Anonymous No.12269667]

>>12269650
>>12269663
Forevermore /sfg/ will refer to the 7th planet from the Sun as Anu, for the meme

[Anonymous No.12269669]

>>12269650
>>12269654
>>12269663
if we can fucking change pluto from being a planet to being a dwarf star we can modify the name of a planet not like there is a Your-anus consortium on earth who would question that move.

[Anonymous No.12269671]

>>12269650
>anu(s)

[Anonymous No.12269674]

[Anonymous No.12269677]

>>12269671
fuck it just name it romula to satisfy the trekkies.

[Anonymous No.12269679]

>>12269667
the glorious Anusfg

[Anonymous No.12269681]

>>12267886
that's the rgvaerial photo
https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1320106916081815553
are you leaking these from an early release anon?

[Anonymous No.12269683]

>>12269674

Mysterious concentric circle scaffolding. The current enigma of Boca Chica.

[Anonymous No.12269687]

>>12269674
Clearly just a water tower. Don't be delusional /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12269690]

>>12269674
Prepping the moulds for your mom's custom order dildos

[Anonymous No.12269699]

>>12269579
Kah lus

[Anonymous No.12269700]

>>12269674
Scaffolding for the ring sections? Each with one section for the outer diameter, one for inner.

[Anonymous No.12269703]

>>12269674
What are they building inside?

[Anonymous No.12269707]

>>12267581
seriously how would this make /sfg/ feel

[Anonymous No.12269710]

>>12269674
metal gear

[Anonymous No.12269711]

>>12269703
Mini starships. They decided against the elevator to access the star bar.

[Anonymous No.12269713]

>>12269703
SuperHeavy!

[Anonymous No.12269715]

>>12269707
Great, can you imagine how much (BRAND) would pay to have their logo on another planet? The amount of money they'd pay for space advertisement would probably end up being much more than the grants NASA has given out so far.

[Anonymous No.12269717]

>>12269707
Like we should have sprung for a 4ASS sponsorship patch even if it's only 10cm^2.

[Anonymous No.12269722]

>>12269703
The Super Heavy booster for starship
the longboi needs a long building

[Anonymous No.12269723]

>>12269711
Get this man a heavy lift booster to stage off of

[Anonymous No.12269725]

>>12269707
Looks pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.12269727]

>>12269579
Anus.

[Anonymous No.12269729]

>>12269707
I'm happy with any source of funding for space exploration

[Anonymous No.12269731]

>>12269715
>can you imagine how much (BRAND) would pay to have their logo on another planet?
I can imagine brands paying a lot for the privilege but at the same time I can't see how such a thing would be an effective marketing tool

[Anonymous No.12269733]

>>12269707
As long as they don’t go overboard. The last thing I want to see are spaceships that look like soccer kits

[Anonymous No.12269734]

>>12269731
they are advertising to the moon people and funding expeditions

[Anonymous No.12269736]

>>12269731
The first Moonship landing will be in history books for a thousand years. Imagine all of those students being reminded of (BRAND). The value proposition of the advertising is proportional to your company's perceived longevity.

[Anonymous No.12269738]

>>12269707
Part of me would die in side but that part of me would also shut up so long as it meant faster progress

But I don't think that this is going to happen any time soon. Rockets would have to reach airliner levels of safety, otherwise companies will wimp out. No one wants to be the 1st to sponsor an exploding rocket. Especially if humans are aboard.

[Anonymous No.12269747]

>>12269731
Would you rather drink MARS cola or gay ass moom pepsi?

[Anonymous No.12269751]

>>12269736
Okay but companies don't tend to last hundreds of years much less thousands. Coca Cola or Disney probably could get away with it but imagine if Apollo 11 was sponsored by BurmaShave lol

[Anonymous No.12269752]

>>12269736
I mean does anyone remember Pizza Hut sponsoring the launch of the ISS core module outside of space geeks?

[Anonymous No.12269757]

>>12269747
>moom pepsi

[Anonymous No.12269767]

Luna is going to have a larger tourist economy than Mars, prove me wrong
>lower gravity = more fun
>days instead of months travel time
>days instead of months of radiation exposure
>dearMars isn't a thing
>resort might be visible from Earth during the lunar night, acting as a positive feedback cycle of brighter resort -> more free advertising-> more guests - brighter resort
>Jeff Bezos is still richer than Elon

[Anonymous No.12269768]

>>12269751
>but imagine if Apollo 11 was sponsored by BurmaShave lol
They're still around, or at least the name is.

[Anonymous No.12269769]

>>12269752
>>12269707

There's also Soyuz-TM11. Featuring Sony on a Soviet Soyuz.

[Anonymous No.12269775]

>>12269747
any astronaut going to mars is going to bring a mars bars and either pepsi or coke that is 1000% a given. not only that but the branding opportunities for manned space industries are obvious.

>some astronauts is going be on a video taking a sip from a coke can as they are making videos.

think about it what are astronauts going to wear on the moon or mars when they are relaxing.
>be on another planet talking to earthers
while wearing a nike long sleeve shirt and nike sneakers around the base.
you damn well know that shit would be sold out on earth for weeks.

branding is the first obvious thing that will be commercialized about space.

[Anonymous No.12269781]

>>12269747
Dr. Bepis

[Anonymous No.12269784]

>>12269781
ids breddy fuggin good :DDDD

[Anonymous No.12269792]

>>12269775
Absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.12269797]

>>12269775
>branding is the first obvious thing that will be commercialized about space.
The first obvious thing to be commercialized about space is the launch market which has already happened

[Anonymous No.12269798]

>>12269767
Mars will have literally zero tourist economy until it takes less then 3 months to get there, and it’ll be more of expedition type trips taken by eccentric rich people. The moon will have a huge tourist economy as soon as upper middle class people can afford a once in a lifetime trip.

[Anonymous No.12269804]

>>12269798
Short of Orion-class ships on "orbits are for babies" trajectories, it will never take less than 3 months to get to Mars. It's also not necessary to reach that mark to generate a tourist economy. That's also not really the problem - a cycler with artificial gravity could make a decent cruise vessel, it's the mandatory two year stay in between that ensures anyone there has a real purpose for being there.
Which is a good thing, tourism is a ghastly economy.

[Anonymous No.12269813]

>>12269804
Fuck you’re right, yeah mars will never have any tourist economy until we don’t have to deal with Hohmann transfers, so probably not for a hundred years at the earliest.

[Anonymous No.12269816]

how about this question: how will human anatomy change if left on Mars for multiple generations?

[Anonymous No.12269819]

>>12269816
Leave that to the Mars rats that will have to live with it

[Anonymous No.12269824]

>>12269816
baby proonting

[Anonymous No.12269834]

>>12269816
maybe 0.38g is fine

[Anonymous No.12269835]

>>12269813
Yeah, the only tourism Mars will get at the start is native Martians visiting scenic sites.
>>12269816
Possible, but it may also be the case that 1G rotohabs in orbit may be used to prevent significant gravity adaptations. After all, it's cheap to go to low Mars orbit compared to LEO.

[Anonymous No.12269836]

It’d be cool to have a space hotel orbiting the L2 Lagrange point, since you’d always have the sun’s light blocked by the moon, so you’d just see dark space in any direction you looked.

[Anonymous No.12269841]

>>12269816
There will be a divide between those that continue to do their reps and are closer to tall, fit earthlings, and those who allow themselves to degenerate and become lanky belters.

[Anonymous No.12269844]

>>12269816
>tfw a couple centuries after Mars colonies get established any Terran would be a chad if he ever went to Mars
Can't wait for my great great grandkids to go bully Martians

[Anonymous No.12269845]

>>12269836
L2 would be a port, the hotels would be a side effect. A fucking sounding rocket has enough delta V to reach Deimos from there.

[Anonymous No.12269849]

>>12269836
>so you’d just see dark space in any direction you looked.
sounds great

[Anonymous No.12269855]

>>12269816
Martians(and just about everyone not raised on either Earth or Venus) will be tall, lanky motherfuckers that would probably need a 1 year long steroid fuelled bodybuilding regime before they can get anywhere close to something with a 1g surface gravity.

[Anonymous No.12269860]

>>12269855
Assuming at least that orbital rotohabs aren't used for having children and physical conditioning. It is much easier after all to get to the orbit of any of the other small rocky bodies in the solar system, compared to Earth. Starships after all can SSTO easily to LMO or LLO and back, so as long as propellant manufacturing is reliable there's no issue establishing much larger permanent orbital infrastructure.
I could easily see extraplanetary colonists spending as much of their lives on fast spinning stations as they do groundside.

[Anonymous No.12269861]

>>12269855
>>12269816

Why not raise the childeren in O'neill cylinders orbiting Mars and when they are 18-25, allow them to live on Mars itself?

[Anonymous No.12269865]

>>12269861
Why are you so afraid of the idea of people adapting to living on other planets?

[Anonymous No.12269866]

>>12269861
Just make them wear lead vests

[Anonymous No.12269868]

>>12269816
>>12269813
yeah i dont see mars becoming a tourist destination for decades. It will basically be ivy league universities on another planet.
>>12269819
taller humans no doubt
until we know the full implication of 1/3 g on human fetus development best to have the mother live on a 1g simulated habitat.

ultimately the whole fate of humanity maybe to just be to live on oneil cynliners and leave bodies like mars untouched...unless we just say fuck it and become machine hybrids with nano machines that can correct for any abnormalities in space.
>>12269834
would the children born on mars be able to come back to earth

[Anonymous No.12269872]

>>12269868
>until we know the full implication of 1/3 g on human fetus development

Harmless. Frog embryos develop without problems with zero gravity.

[Anonymous No.12269878]

>>12269865

I dont like the idea that the descendents of Martian humans wouldnt be able to go to Earth because of the gravity here. Earth should be able being visited by all Humans no matter from which planet or solar system they come from.

Earth is the cradle of Humanity, it should be something sacred and accesible to all Humans.

[Anonymous No.12269882]

>>12269878
Belters would just say adults don't fit in cradles anymore.

[Anonymous No.12269883]

>>12269860
>>12269861
O'neill cylinders might be A- expensive to build, and B-not offer any real advantage to the human body other than than keeping it closer to the Earth baseline.
Honestly Musk/Nasa/Xi will just sent rats, dogs, goats, monkeys and shit to space to test the what happens when they get pregnant in space.

[Anonymous No.12269884]

>>12269878
>I dont like the idea that the descendents of Martian humans wouldnt be able to go to Earth because of the gravity here

They can park in orbit and spend a while adapting to the higher gravity conditions via rotating habitats, just like how people stay near Everest for weeks before climbing it so their lungs adapt to the lower oxygen levels.

[Anonymous No.12269888]

>>12267930
Sorry I was out of service range. Just now reading this thread. I supremely apologize to all anons. This is the first launch thread I’ve missed in... 4 years? For Falcon 9 / FH.

It will not happen again! Now to scroll through the rest of this thread...

[Anonymous No.12269892]

>>12269878
Yeah I don't necessarily disagree that just sounds kind of gay

[Anonymous No.12269900]

>>12269878
>implying we dont have nanoengineering to make us all hyperhumans that can survive in jupiter gravity

[Anonymous No.12269901]

>>12269816
Unknown, but I suspect taller people as the weaker gravity leads to less compression of the bones. But as a result, travel to Earth might lead to complication.

[Anonymous No.12269903]

>>12269841
muscle stimulation suit like a dunes stillsuit.
>>12269865
probbably afraid of us human braching out in a seperate evolutionary path, however that isnt worry as even a wolf and breed with a dog and thats after many thousands of years

he fears the pleiadians
.

[Anonymous No.12269906]

>>12269872
frog embryos lets see some frog fully develop to adult age.

[Anonymous No.12269907]

>>12269883
I'm not the guy who suggested O'neills, I was thinking more like multiple chained together large rotohabs. Imagine these, but stacked together so there are several pairs of counter-rotating rings. Construction would be done by loading large payloads onto Starships with magnetoplasma rocket propulsion busses that can actually achieve a low Martian orbit. Say 70 ton packs of construction materials and 30 tons of propulsion and power bus. They could be assembled in orbit by robots controlled in real time by the first generation of Martian colonists. Ideally by the time the first pregnancies occur ISRU for propellant manufacture will be in swing and the first generation of Martian children can be born in an environment of 1G.

[Anonymous No.12269911]

>>12269884
its not just bones its lungs and vascular issues as well.

[Anonymous No.12269912]

100 Successful Flights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_s_7iTydYU

[Anonymous No.12269913]

>>12269878
Having strong bones and muscles is important for much more than touching down on urf. Thus I have no doubt that this will be conserved, except in the case of whiney urbanites who will be the off-world equivalent of those whose souls are held down by Earth's gravity.

[Anonymous No.12269915]

>>12269906
They developed into tadpoles and swam around, then landed and developed into frogs.

[Anonymous No.12269916]

To all those guys that said Superheavy isnt hard to engineer, tell me: Why did Elon drop the number of engines from 37 to 28?

I swear to god if you say
>b-b-b-but higher thrust now
yeah, higher thrust for a couple seconds and then melts

[Anonymous No.12269918]

>>12269916
>b-b-b-but higher thrust now
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12269919]

>>12269916
>guys what's the reason for X
>but don't say the real reason because I refuse to believe that

[Anonymous No.12269922]

for superheavy hop, will it have 100 rolls of steel stacked on top or what

[Anonymous No.12269928]

>>12269916
actually he wanted 42

[Anonymous No.12269932]

[Anonymous No.12269935]

>>12268212
Not slept in; out in the middle of nowhere being a mandated event supervisor for a school club thing. COVID has messed up everything, blah. Did not check in the morning before I left if there was a chance of launch today!

[Anonymous No.12269937]

>>12269916
>higher thrust for a couple seconds
You do know what a first stage is, right?

[Anonymous No.12269938]

>>12269916
Engine efficiency increased.

[Anonymous No.12269946]

>>12269916
I don't think anyone here is going to deny that N1 syndrome is a serious concern for many-engine boosters. Uprating though will also obviously play a role in how many engines are used, after all, even if they end up only being two million a pop, Raptors alone will make up the largest portion of SS/Superheavy's manufacturing cost so using fewer of them will be beneficial, on top of the fact that it will also simplify the design and allow for a faster turnaround in manufacturing Superheavy thrust structures.
If I were you though I wouldn't scoff so much at uprating, Merlin 1D produced double the thrust of Merlin 1C and had more than 30% higher chamber pressure, if Raptor can be uprated by even half that degree it would represent an enormous improvement that would mean fewer engines would be needed in Superheavy.

[Anonymous No.12269948]

>>12269916
>To all those guys that said Superheavy isnt hard to engineer, tell me: Why did Elon drop the number of engines from 37 to 28?

Because they have higher projected thrust now lol

[Anonymous No.12269950]

>>12269922
Based on the weight of the mass simulator, more like 6-7 rolls

[Anonymous No.12269954]

>>12269907
my idea was for musk to build a bunch of empty starship cylinders, launch them on top of starship heavy and use those for sections for a rotating shape ship. 10 to 12 launches and you'd pretty much have your idea and it be a hell of of alot bigger and better than ISS and rotate.

[Anonymous No.12269957]

>>12269915
would you consider that a proper test?
come on have them develop into adult frogs for a full test

[Anonymous No.12269964]

>>12269579
Ooh-rah-noh

[Anonymous No.12269968]

HABBENING
>HABBENING
SPACEX SUPERSONIC JET 99.9% CONFIRMED BY ELON
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1320180525009571845

[Anonymous No.12269973]

>>12269954
The issue is that Starship doesn't quite have the delta-V to achieve a stable Mars orbit, it just belly slams straight into Mars' atmosphere to finish it's deceleration. I don't really see an issue using some form of magnetoplasma rocket bus deployed in LEO by Starships to carry large pallets of raw construction materials and balloon habitats to stable LMO for assembly. Starship isn't a universal vehicle after all, it seems best suited to either direct flight to reentry at Mars or heavy lift to LEO roles.
You could also assemble gargantuan cargo ships in LEO using Starships and sling them to Mars with nuclear propulsion or higher power Megawatt range nuclear electric drives, but projects that ambitious require significant relaxation of nuclear space technologies which unfortunately doesn't seem forthcoming.
Honestly, MPDs are severely underutilized right now, everybody is hung up on their slow acceleration, as if boosting hard for a couple minutes and then spending months coasting were any faster, when in fact MPD drives accelerating for weeks at a time would rapidly outpace bipropellant or even nuclear drives in terms of actual travel time to Mars and beyond. It's not like we're getting continuous 1G acceleration from anything bellow a torch drive anyways.

[Anonymous No.12269975]

>>12269968
Lets not go on tangent. Too many things on the works. Let the earthers get their shit straight.

[Anonymous No.12269977]

>>12269973
>The issue is that Starship doesn't quite have the delta-V to achieve a stable Mars orbit
Not even with full refuel in orbit + low payload?

[Anonymous No.12269978]

>>12269973
>The issue is that Starship doesn't quite have the delta-V to achieve a stable Mars orbit, it just belly slams straight into Mars' atmosphere to finish it's deceleration.
If you can aerobrake into a landing, you can aerobrake into orbit. It requires fuel that would have been used for landing, but Starship is already designed to refuel in orbit.
I'm not saying this to defend any particular concept because I didn't make the original post, I'm just saying this doesn't hold.

[Anonymous No.12269980]

>>12269968
>electric
>supersonic
Yeah, that's not happening.

[Anonymous No.12269982]

>>12269973
not talking about mars but earth LEO spinning space station using starship upper components. but anyway im guessing in the long long LONG term, you'd need a space station by earth and one by mars or some mid point.

[Anonymous No.12269984]

>>12269980
If you use electricity to store energy as carbon neutral methane, and then burn it, is it an electric vehicle?

Methalox SABRE would be cool.

[Anonymous No.12269985]

>>12269980
>Yeah, that's not happening.
.t Thunderf00t.

[Anonymous No.12269989]

>>12269978
is the butt to butt fuel matting not a bit risky.

[Anonymous No.12269991]

>>12269878
Fuck urf, we be dropping rocks soon inyalowda

[Anonymous No.12269992]

>>12269985
thunderf00t has never been wrong

[Anonymous No.12269994]

>>12269968
Elon has talked about electric jets many times before, he's also talked about how he has no intention to do it until the energy density makes sense. Kinda funny, for a subsonic shorthaul plane his upcoming battery tech seems perfectly viable and now he's talking about supersonic, but yeah this isn't happening any time soon. With all the look at methane production I think he should be looking at methane fuel cells.

[Anonymous No.12269995]

>>12269977
I don't think so, and you wouldn't want to use a Starship if you aren't slinging a heavy payload, but >>12269978 may also be right, I didn't think about using multiple aerobraking maneuvers to drop your AP to a desired level and then perform a short prograde burn to raise your PE back above the atmosphere. Still, an MPD tug would have a faster turn around time because of it's much greater ISP and continuous acceleration, besides, who better to be the first to mass produce electric propulsion.
Tesla is a great farm for experience in solar panel and power management system design at the very large scale.

[Anonymous No.12269996]

>>12269973
>The issue is that Starship doesn't quite have the delta-V to achieve a stable Mars orbit

Yes it does.

[Anonymous No.12269999]

>>12269989
Maybe the first time they ever do it. Inherently? No.

[Anonymous No.12270004]

>>12269973
>Honestly, MPDs are severely underutilized right now, everybody is hung up on their slow acceleration, as if boosting hard for a couple minutes and then spending months coasting were any faster, when in fact MPD drives accelerating for weeks at a time would rapidly outpace bipropellant or even nuclear drives in terms of actual travel time to Mars and beyond. It's not like we're getting continuous 1G acceleration from anything bellow a torch drive anyways.
It's the power supply. With the right superconductors, pic/link related can get close to 10N/kW, at which point you stop needing nuclear reactors for small vehicles except out past Mars.

https://physics.anu.edu.au/cpf/sp3/hdlt/

[Anonymous No.12270005]

>>12270004
How hard would it be to build this in a garage?

[Anonymous No.12270006]

>>12269968
>Elon decides to get energy density to the point where he can have electric aircraft
>Fuck it, why not have electric rockets??
>Creates a reactionless drive from the concepts in the von braun archives
The timeline is shifting bros. Can you feel it?

[Anonymous No.12270007]

>>12269989
They'll use protection.

[Anonymous No.12270008]

>>12269707
Kino Kapitalism.

[Anonymous No.12270025]

>>12269707
All it needs is some racing stripes and a big number 3

[Anonymous No.12270036]

Tory Bruno on BE-4 progress:

>"Yes, turbopump issue sorted out, full-scale flight configured engine on the test stand for quite a while now, building up a lot of test time. We're really, really happy with the desing of the engine. We're finishing up the fine-tuning and verification. The engine is performing better than asked for. The engine is looking good. The focus is beginning to shift towards production ramp-up, which is always a good moment in time in the development program, because that means the big technical stuff is behind you."

[Anonymous No.12270041]

>>12270005
In principle not hard. In practice you'd need the aussies' data about shapes and which frequency of RF goes with which propellant gas, and you'd need a way to keep the solenoids at 200K or lower or you'll cap out at about 0.1N/kW efficiency.

[Anonymous No.12270042]

Since they're reusable I hope that they treat Starships like water ships. I mean in the sense that new Starships will be christened and given a name. Maybe even be assigned captains that know that particular ship inside and out.

[Anonymous No.12270044]

>>12270036
That's good to hear.

[Anonymous No.12270046]

>>12270036
Cleared up faster than I expected, maybe BO will hit their timelines after all.

[Anonymous No.12270051]

>>12270036
Maybe if they get first stage reuse working and turn the second stages into orbital depots the Vulcan won't be shit after all.

[Anonymous No.12270057]

>>12270036
>states "the engine is good" in 5 separate ways
makes me a bit suspicious but it's probably fine

[Anonymous No.12270058]

>>12270051
>first stage reuse
.5th stage reuse

[Anonymous No.12270059]

>>12270051
Is the second stage of Vulcan methane or hydrogen?

[Anonymous No.12270067]

>>12270059
Hydrogen. It's Centaur almost-but-not-quite-ACES.

[Anonymous No.12270083]

>>12270051
Man it's so funny to see all these oldspace corporations like ULA and Arianespace scrambling to compete with the Falcon 9 despite the fact that Starship is on the way. In the words of Soviet engineer Oleg Gurko “Grab the problem by the throat and not the tail, or else you will always have the tail”.

[Anonymous No.12270087]

>>12270067
THICC centaur

[Anonymous No.12270090]

>>12270083
Lmao the funny part isn't that their market is being stolen by SpaceX, it's the part where Starship will open up a completely new launch market that was being priced out from existing by oldspace launch prices, and oldspace won't get a cut of that pie
Colleges, small companies, high schools, hobbyist, and other small organizations will have access to launch satellites into LEO, colleges will ble able to make space telescopes and launch them for cheap without worrying about weight tolerances on their telescope, and not worrying about weight saving will significantly lower the cost of making satellites

[Anonymous No.12270097]

>>12270090
Truly a blessed future is upon us lads. The one that the Shuttle promised in the 70s but could never deliver on

[Anonymous No.12270104]

>>12270083
They still don't believe it will even work. If they did they would be shelving their F9/FH competitors and transitioning, it would be cheaper than making an F9 competitor for much more payoff. The first orbital flight is going to make a lot of execs around the world shit themselves.

[Anonymous No.12270108]

>>12270104
>They still don't believe it will even work.
Not surprising. Remember the Boeing leak that said all the executives were convinced that Crew Dragon wouldn't work and that SpaceX would have to go to NASA for money thus opening the door for Boeing to request more money?

[Anonymous No.12270109]

Starship switched to ceramic tiles, but Elon hesitated to comment on regenerative solutions, citing ITAR. He qualified saying it "might" use transpiration in some areas.

What do you think bros, will we get a sweaty Starship?

[Anonymous No.12270110]

which one looks the best?

[Anonymous No.12270112]

>>12270110
A tie between the current version, and ITS

[Anonymous No.12270114]

>>12270110
for me its the version 10

[Anonymous No.12270115]

>>12270110
ITS no context

[Anonymous No.12270116]

Assuming we get ~6 or so SLSes that are already on order built before the program gets killed, and for political reasons they have to be launched, what would be the best use of them? Mars sample return would be nice, and some outer planets orbiters with high-quality imaging could be on the table too. 8.4m station modules could also work.

[Anonymous No.12270118]

>>12270108
>all the executives were convinced that Crew Dragon wouldn't work
the hubris. They've been too comfortable and unchallenged for far too long.

[Anonymous No.12270120]

>>12270115
*contest

[Anonymous No.12270122]

>>12270109
OH NO

[Anonymous No.12270123]

>>12270110
ITS will always be number one, after that it went to shit and has been slowly climbing back up. Most recent design changes judging from Elon's statements aren't represented here so the next best will be the one about to be presented.

[Anonymous No.12270125]

>>12270004
Yeah, with say a 4MW/th MSR reactor weighing say 20 tons (judging this based off of the weight of the couple experimental aircraft nuclear reactors and assuming some significant improvements) if you can get a solid 50% power conversion ratio you'd be looking at a continuous thrust of 20kN which is enormously high for a plasma rocket.
It might still not be anywhere near enough to provide thrust gravity except a very slow downward drift, but the important part is that it could massively slash transit times, massively increase maximum range for manned flight, and on top of that act as a large power supply for other projects.
One ship running at half or even a quarter maximum output could easily provide all the energy necessary for large scale space stations and construction projects in orbit.

[Anonymous No.12270127]

>>12270110
wonder what the design "coalesce" next week entails

[Anonymous No.12270128]

>>12268220
Simple as.

[Anonymous No.12270130]

>>12270122
Just bring a caulk gun with you

[Anonymous No.12270133]

>>12270109
>ceramic tiles

[Anonymous No.12270134]

>>12270118
>The hubris
I have no clue why Boeing execs are so full of themselves
Every rocket/capsule they've build alone since Delta II has failed, or been delayed basically indefinitely, and they're on fire due to designing a plane that literally flies I to the ground automatically

[Anonymous No.12270135]

>>12270109
I thought they were using pica-x?

[Anonymous No.12270137]

>>12270123
What could they possibly present? Can't be anything substantial

[Anonymous No.12270139]

>>12270110
ITS, it the platonic ideal of next generation rocket, but it can also be legitimately said that it's too ambitious for the current manufacturing capabilities of Earth. I still think it's completely within the realm of technological possibility, but it requires some more significant progress in composite manufacturing technology, and it would still pose some substantial problems compared to steel or aluminum hulled ships.
Steel has been such a good friend to humanity when it comes to making big things, I don't see any reason why we should part from it where rocketry is concerned.

[Anonymous No.12270140]

>>12270135
It's carbon ceramic non-ablative

[Anonymous No.12270142]

>>12270125
>20 tonnes

Cool, now add another couple of hundred tonnes you will need for radiators.

[Anonymous No.12270143]

>>12270139
We need steel ITS

[Anonymous No.12270144]

>>12270118
>the hubris.
see >>12268892
Boeing have been jewing the US space program for years. It's great see them have to deal with genuine competition

[Anonymous No.12270147]

>>12270140
interesting. Sounds good for reusability but it better be superior to the shuttle's solution

[Anonymous No.12270150]

>>12270137
Legs will be different, SH base should be too

[Anonymous No.12270156]

>>12270110
version 7 by a mile

[Anonymous No.12270157]

>>12270147
Shuttle tiles had to be ridiculously low-weight and they sacrificed survivability to the point that the things could barely be handled, it's not the same

[Anonymous No.12270160]

>>12270143
That's what my hope is for 16m SS

[Anonymous No.12270164]

>>12270135
so are we getting a stainless steel starship or a completely black hex tile starship

[Anonymous No.12270165]

>>12270147
using steel means they can just bolt the tiles on, which is gonna take care of 90% of the problems the shuttle tiles had.

[Anonymous No.12270170]

>>12270160
18m

[Anonymous No.12270171]

>>12270170
60m

[Anonymous No.12270177]

1km starship

[Anonymous No.12270185]

>>12270165
Plus if a tile fails it’s not certain doom for Starship since there is steel underneath instead of aluminum like the Shuttle has

[Anonymous No.12270186]

tfw have starlink launch withdrawal

[Anonymous No.12270190]

>>12270170
whoop-c

[Anonymous No.12270191]

can we make a rocket that's 1km diameter but super flat like only 1m tall or somethin. pancake launch system or whatever

[Anonymous No.12270194]

>>12269878
dusters don't deserve to step foot on earth

[Anonymous No.12270195]

>>12270191
It'd be like 99% nosecone

[Anonymous No.12270198]

>>12270191
I call it "the dance floor"

[Anonymous No.12270199]

October 25 Soyuz Launch time: 1908:42 GMT (3:08:42 p.m. EDT)
Launch site: Plesetsk Cosmodrome, Russia
A Russian government Soyuz rocket will launch a Glonass K navigation satellite. The Glonass K satellites are upgraded spacecraft for Russia’s Glonass positioning and timing network. The rocket will fly in the Soyuz-2.1b configuration with a Fregat upper stage. Delayed from Aug. 6, late August, and Oct. 17. [Oct. 21]

[Anonymous No.12270203]

>>12270142
Even if we assume that we'll need five times the reactor's weight in radiators that's only 100 tons, and it should be considered that planned improvements for space radiators like using carbon fiber for the fin material and inconel or alloy-N for the heat pipes can substantially cut their weight (by up to 25-50% compared to aluminum radiators) and that a change to a higher specific thermal capacity coolant like liquid sodium could also further reduce their necessary size.
If the reactor and it's heat management system are 120 tons, with another 20 tons for power conversion equipment in the form of high efficiency stirling engines, say 20 tons for the plasma rocket and it's attendant cryocooling equipment, and 50 tons of reaction mass, you'd be looking at less than 200 tons for your total power/propulsion system.
This is compared to the 1300 tons of bipropellants a fully loaded Starship has to carry. Even if this speculative assessment is twice as optimistic as is realistic, you'd STILL be looking at saving 900 tons of mass that could be dedicated to cargo and expanded internal volume.

[Anonymous No.12270205]

>>12270199
>Delayed from Aug. 6, late August,
the absolute state of russia

[Anonymous No.12270207]

>>12270157
why was its light weight mandatory? Was increasing thrust really out of the question? Making it as fragile as it was was a mistake in retrospect.

>>12270185
true. The only reason Atlantis survived was because the tile fell of right over a bit of steel. Extremely lucky.

[Anonymous No.12270213]

>>12270207
>The only reason Atlantis survived was because the tile fell of right over a bit of steel.
Makes you wonder how the course of US spaceflight would have went if we lost another crew so close to Challenger

[Anonymous No.12270215]

>>12270213
The shuttle program would have probably been cancelled and called a dangerous failure, and some shitty SSTO would have replaced it 10 years later in the 90s

[Anonymous No.12270216]

>>12270207
Oldspace is autistically obsessed with thrust-weight ratios.
Trying to make everything as light as possible without structurally compromising the spacecraft. It’s one of the reasons the Shuttle tiles are so delicate since they’re so damn light

[Anonymous No.12270217]

>>12270207
shuttle already came in overweight and could never meet its design payload of 65,0000 pounds. any extra weight in the tiles would come straight out of the payload capacity.

[Anonymous No.12270222]

>>12269669
>pluto from being a planet to being a dwarf star
Pluto is not a 'dwarf star' you mong

[Anonymous No.12270232]

>>12270215
>some shitty SSTO
so pic related?

[Anonymous No.12270233]

>>12270036
what is BE-4's Isp, tory
tell us

[Anonymous No.12270234]

>>12270232
Yep, looks like some shitty SSTO to me.

[Anonymous No.12270237]

>>12270164
>>12270185
>>12270207
>>12270217


>so are we getting a stainless steel starship or a completely black hex tile starship
guys?

[Anonymous No.12270238]

>>12270109
It may get sweaty armpits.
That is to say, the areas of most concern are the joints connecting the drag flaps to the main body, so purging that space with gas may work for keeping plasma out, and if you're creating the purge gas by flowing cryogenic fluid out through pores in the steel then you're doing much better thermodynamically.
>imagine the sweaty starship anime girl

[Anonymous No.12270239]

>>12269707
Apollo program:
>one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind
Artemis program:
>this moon landing was brought to you by bud light

[Anonymous No.12270241]

>>12270133
The design has called for ceramic tiles since literally forever dude
ITS was gonna use ceramic tiles. Sweating methane was only an idea for a few month, over a year ago now. It turned out that it just wasn't necessary across the entire surface of the vehicle and it'd add too much mass and complexity to be worth doing.
Don't worry, Starship isn't using Shuttle tiles, it's using a much tougher material which can be mounted using bolts rather than needing glue on foam pads.

[Anonymous No.12270242]

>>12270213
>NASA engineers thought the damage was just an optical illusion of light and shadows, and as a result the crew was infuriated
nasa was also being jackasses. They learned nothing.

>>12270237
both

[Anonymous No.12270247]

>>12270135
No, no version of Starship has ever been designed to use PICA.
Elon said that manufacturing PICA has taught SpaceX a lot about how to efficiently produce TPS and how to design a good heat shield, but they aren't using a material that's designed to ablate for Starship because they'd need to replace it too often.

[Anonymous No.12270257]

>>12270203
Draw up the math for a Starship variant that can launch itself into orbit using a Super Heavy Booster and its own chemical engines, it just needs to get to orbit on its own with zero payload, propellants and other stuff can be added later.

[Anonymous No.12270259]

>>12270216
Not even, they're obsessed with Isp more than anything else.

[Anonymous No.12270263]

>They used glue to prevent the brightest of mankind from meeting a fiery demise
>They failed

[Anonymous No.12270264]

>>12270237
>>so are we getting a stainless steel starship or a completely black hex tile starship
>guys?
It's going to have a black belly and an exposed steel dorsal surface. Basically, heat tiles on one side, which needs to deal with conductive heating, and bare steel on the other, which only needs to handle radiated heat (this is possible because steel is very reflective of infrared light, and can easily handle the few hundred degrees it would warm up to during a reentry).

[Anonymous No.12270265]

MOAR HYDROLOGS :DDDDDD

[Anonymous No.12270266]

>>12270247
>PICA
What's it taste like

[Anonymous No.12270268]

>>12270266
Spicy chocolate mudcake

[Anonymous No.12270274]

>hop in anon, we're ready to fly on the challenger but we're waiting for you
what do you do?

[Anonymous No.12270277]

>>12270274
What's the ambient temperature?

[Anonymous No.12270282]

>>12270247
Every iteration of Starship until late 2018 was reportedly using PICA-X. SpaceX revealed MCT would require 18 tons of PICA, or 1/4 the mass of the second stage

[Anonymous No.12270286]

>>12270264
>starship flips the wrong way on reentry
>nothing personnel

[Anonymous No.12270287]

>>12270110
the functional one

[Anonymous No.12270290]

>>12270287
so none of them then

[Anonymous No.12270298]

>>12270203
In addition to this, assuming a ship with a total mass of 400 tons (90 tons of ship, 100 tons of payload, 210 tons of powerplant and propulsion), you'd get about a .05m/s acceleration with 20kN of thrust from the plasma rocket. This seems like very little, however if you burn for 172,000 seconds or about a 1.25 days you've already exceeded the 6-ish km/s necessary to achieve LMO from LEO by 2.6km/s.
In addition, if the plasma thruster consumes about .16g/h of reaction mass operating at 250w, at 1MW operating power it should consume about 650g/h, or for a burn time of 30h total 19.2 tons, multiplied by two to account for a 2MW drive and your total fuel needs to achieve 8.6km/s of delta-V (more than enough to get to LMO from LEO) you would need 38.4 tons of reaction mass. Now if you chop that reaction mass down to only what's necessary to reach 6km/s, enough to scrape into LMO with just a few hundred m/s to spare for any minor corrections, you'd need about 22 tons of reaction mass.

[Anonymous No.12270302]

>>12270290
Bros...spacex is finished

[Anonymous No.12270310]

>>12270287
based
beauty is derived from utility

[Anonymous No.12270315]

>>12270310
that sounds awfully communist to me sonny jim

[Anonymous No.12270322]

>>12270125
At 0.01g brachistochrone trajectories you can get to any planet in less than a year REGARDLESS of launch windows. Add some well shielded spinny habs and tank the thing up with whatever cheap gases are available on site (the HDLT works with CO2, so Mars ISRU is a layup) for the trip home and the system is ours.

[Anonymous No.12270323]

>>12270310
>beauty is derived from utility

[Anonymous No.12270330]

>>12270315
commies built the greatest rocket engine ever concieved

[Anonymous No.12270338]

>>12270322
Well, based on my back of the hand math here >>12270298 with a 50/50 split between propulsion and everything else you're looking at potentially 5x that. 50-100 tons of CO2 could put pretty much any feasible payload anywhere in the solar system in under a year. To really tax this system and make it spend more than a year chugging through the outer planets you'd have to assemble multi-hundred ton composite payloads in LEO.

[Anonymous No.12270344]

>>12270330
Commies didn't build Raptor

[Anonymous No.12270354]

>>12270344
>600 hurts per second
braaapter bros btfo

[Anonymous No.12270357]

>>12270330
how many commies made it to the moon again?

[Anonymous No.12270359]

>>12270354
How many RD 270s have flown?

[Anonymous No.12270369]

>>12270359
plenty of them in minecraft

[Anonymous No.12270401]

>>12270338
Also, in terms of Mars transit times, at .05m/s of acceleration with a total of 1.25 days of burning it would take somewhere in the ballpark of 53-55 days to reach LMO, less than half the time projected for an equivalent bipropellant rocket, and this is assuming you expend only the 22 tons of reaction mass needed to get 6km/s of delta-V. Since I included 50 tons of propellant in my mass fractions, you could easily double your burn time and get 12km/s of delta-V, making the transit time to Mars less than a month long at the optimal time and increasing the duration of the available transfer window by a huge amount. Mars could be at a distance which would make transfer with a conventional rocket impractically long and you could still easily make the trip on this rocket in a few months
The ONLY catch is that rockets like this will demand a compact, high energy density atomic power supply like MSRs, which, while optimized for aviation and space applications are not widely manufactured by any company currently existing, and which, as pieces of nuclear technology, may not even be allowed into space in the forseeable future.

[Anonymous No.12270404]

Is asparagus staging a ksp meme or could it actually work IRL?
I would love to research and develop this under the 4ASS brand
Unfortunately I don’t have a few billion to throw around

[Anonymous No.12270406]

Is there a sadder spacecraft failure from this century?
>tfw no kino pictures of mars from the surface of phobos
>tfw no phobos sample return

[Anonymous No.12270409]

>>12270282
>18 tons of PICA, or 1/4 the mass of the second stage
Can you point to that source?

[Anonymous No.12270413]

>>12270404
>Is asparagus staging a ksp meme or could it actually work IRL?
As far as I know it's a total meme to implement practically hence why it's never been done. Falcon Heavy was at one point going to use it

[Anonymous No.12270416]

>>12270401
just dont see starship being used for a while. Eventually people will invest in ion engines. How Quickly would that get us to mars.

also 1.25 days of burning arent you forgetting the fuel to land

[Anonymous No.12270420]

>>12270406
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinghuo-1
The sorry sods who paid for rideshare with Fobos-Grunt.

[Anonymous No.12270427]

>>12270420
It was on that day that the Chinese learned that if they wanted interplanetary science they had to do it on their own

[Anonymous No.12270428]

>>12270134
They run a (formerly) prestigious. company.
"Real-world results" are nothing compared to pedigree to them.

[Anonymous No.12270431]

>>12270404
It *can* work, it's just very difficult to get it to work right in a manner reliable enough to be trustworthy for unique expensive payloads like JWST or other specialist equipment or for humans.
Falcon Heavy was actually supposed to have crossfeeding at first, but when it was discovered that more extensive modifications would need to be made to all three boosters to make it work, they just decided to leave it out, presumably because FH was already going to be able to do what they wanted it to and adding crossfeeding would have just represented more sunk cost and dev time with no immediate benefit.
Asparagus is even harder than normal crossfeeding because you're not just feeding from boosters into the core, but from boosters 1 and 2 to the core as well as (assuming four boosters) boosters 3 and 4.
KSP makes it easy because stock KSP at least doesn't account for over-engineering increasing the likelyhood of individual component failure except as lag or game instability. IRL you'd have several potential catastrophic failure states introduced by asparagus staging that you don't have to worry about with normal solo boosters or even grouped crossfeeding boosters.

[Anonymous No.12270433]

>>12270416
You wouldn't ever use this to land on anything except small asteroids, it doesn't have the TWR. You'd use a separate lander which I would lump in with the cargo portion of the mass fraction.

[Anonymous No.12270463]

>>12270433
well the ion engines would solely be used to get up to mars faster. but the current configuration of ship design doesnt allow any of that,unless we build ships in space.

[Anonymous No.12270475]

New thread

>>12270471

>>12270471

>>12270471

>>12270471

[Anonymous No.12270488]

>>12270401
>The ONLY catch is that rockets like this will demand a compact, high energy density atomic power supply like MSRs, which, while optimized for aviation and space applications are not widely manufactured by any company currently existing, and which, as pieces of nuclear technology, may not even be allowed into space in the forseeable future.
Supplying the heat necessary to make a lot of power in space has never been the issue. The issue is the need for a very large surface area of low temperature radiators. Heat engine efficiency is based on the difference in temperature between the heat source and the heat sink. The radiators need to be cold, which means they need to be huge, because cold things radiate heat at a slower rate.
If you add us the mass of all the systems, a nuclear powered electricity supply in space will always weigh more than a solar power system until you go out beyond Jupiter (the nuclear power system will also be physically large, due to the large radiator panels, so it's not like you're saving in that area).

[Anonymous No.12270535]

>>12270409
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/10/the-continued-evolution-of-the-big-falcon-rocket/3/

[Anonymous No.12270740]

>>12269579
Oor-Ah-noose
It‘s German and means ancient anus.

[Anonymous No.12270931]

>>12269798
>until it takes less then 3 months to get there
Even if you get there fast, it's still going to be an entire synod before you can get back to Earth. Either over a year in space back or over a year on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12271008]

>>12270406
Phobos 2 :(

[Anonymous No.12271103]

>>12269916
You are a fucking fag, these people developed the most advanced engine available, do you think they can't attach 28 of those on a fucking booster?