/sfg/ - Space Flight General.

[Anonymous No.12259198]

Space barge edition.

Previous: >>12255763

Updates:

-SN8 gets a nosecone.
-Soyuz-MS16 has landed.

[Anonymous No.12259203]

>>12259198
imagine an aircraft carrier but with rockets

[Anonymous No.12259205]

>>12259203
You don't have to imagine!
Papa Jeff will do it next year!

[Anonymous No.12259207]

>>12259205

[Anonymous No.12259210]

>>12259207
My uncle works at 'Origyin.
He told me "those spacex folks are in sn8 still can't orbit, our first mission will go to orbit!".

[Anonymous No.12259211]

>>12259198
Hello, welcome to /sfg/. I want to thank you all for coming

[Anonymous No.12259213]

>>12259210
So it's going to RUD on the pad.

[Anonymous No.12259216]

Rockets are big

[Anonymous No.12259219]

>>12259211
Shave that comb-over. Gross

[Anonymous No.12259220]

>>12259210
SpaceX lost three Falcon 1s before finally succeeding. Imagine losing three New Glenns o_o

[Anonymous No.12259222]

>raptor is more advanced and complex than BE-4
>BE-4 is still unusable for rockets due to it eating turbopumps
How is this possible?

[Anonymous No.12259223]

>>12259210
The only thing that's gonna get into orbit are my sides when new glenn goes suborbital just like the rest of jeff who's rockets, except into the ocean this time.

[Anonymous No.12259229]

>>12259219
You may not like it, but this is what peak Mars colonialism looks like

[Anonymous No.12259231]

>>12259216
I hate Atlas V Starliner so much.

[Anonymous No.12259236]

>>12259223
they might be forced to detonate the c4

[Anonymous No.12259240]

Brain-computer interfaces should be banned in space. Preserve human dignity

[Anonymous No.12259245]

>>12259240
Suisei no Gargantua was right
Fuck gene mods
Fuck brain computer interfaces
Simple as

[Anonymous No.12259247]

a few points of order:
1. Starship is a spaceplane
2. subchilled Propane is the way and the light
so anyway I work at Publix
We just discoed basically all of the meatless meat products on the shelves (Dr. Praeger's, Quorn, No Evil, Gardein, etcetera). Read: we're throwing them in the fucking trash because they aren't selling. Just thought you guys would find that enlightening. Also, Publix will be the first grocery store on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12259257]

>>12259247
>spaceplane
Doesn‘t generate lift. Not a Spaceplane. Might as well call it a Spacezeppelin at that point.

[Anonymous No.12259259]

>>12259257
>doesn't generate lift
false

[Anonymous No.12259263]

>>12259259
false

[Anonymous No.12259272]

>>12259216
I just realized Crew Dragon is already the second biggest manned launch vehicle after the Shuttle and Starship will be the new record holder.

[Anonymous No.12259276]

>>12259272
wrong, you're forgetting about the Apollo program

[Anonymous No.12259297]

>>12259276
Crew Dragon is bigger than the Apollo CM by pressurized volume.

[Anonymous No.12259300]

>>12259297
Yeah, but it had a bigger launch vehicle.

[Anonymous No.12259301]

>>12259297
are we talking about launch vehicle size or capsule volumes

[Anonymous No.12259305]

>>12259272
>hasn't heard about x-77
>hypersonic e2e used by military since the gulf war
sucks to be a civilian

[Anonymous No.12259315]

>>12258447
Per Peter Beck's Twitter, to pay off RocketLabs 180 million capital cost they need 12 more launches at ~7.5 million. Can RocketLab be profitable without recovery?

[Anonymous No.12259319]

>>12259301
Pressurized volume. Buran doesn't count since it never flew with crew.

[Anonymous No.12259321]

>>12259319
incorrect, we can talk about that now if you want but the original post was about "the biggest manned launch vehicle"

[Anonymous No.12259333]

>>12258651
if nasa's budget had beed slashed further its very likely than we would have got something like this

[Anonymous No.12259342]

what do you think starship's glide ratio is?

[Anonymous No.12259353]

>>12259342
>glide ratio
fake news, not a real number for hypersonic vehicles

[Anonymous No.12259354]

>>12259198
it's a shame those rockets that get you to mars also give you the range to nuke anyone on the planet. happy future deleted.

[Anonymous No.12259358]

space is fake
nothing is happening

[Anonymous No.12259370]

>>12259353
why? even in hypersonic you have drag and lift
>>12259342
Anyone have a starship model? I can try putting it into CFD

[Anonymous No.12259371]

>>12259370
it's a fucking tube bro

[Anonymous No.12259372]

>>12259371
with the flaps

[Anonymous No.12259376]

>>12259247
>Starship is a spaceplane
and skydivers are birds
>we've done this before

[Anonymous No.12259380]

>>12259210
SpaceX has been doing orbital launches for a literal decade.

[Anonymous No.12259382]

[Anonymous No.12259384]

>>12259354
That capability has been relatively widespread since the 1960s.

[Anonymous No.12259388]

>>12259382
>bigger
>less than half the payload
The power of hydrolox is staggering.

[Anonymous No.12259417]

>>12259382
If I filled a superheavy/starship up with RP-1, slapped merlins to the brim, and launched in an expendable configuration, would I be able to yeet anything wherever I damn well please? Come to think of it what could a starship do in expendable mode? If we had an emergency imminent impact event could we send a starship to go intercept it asap?

[Anonymous No.12259418]

What are my odds of going to space in my lifetime?

I’m 25, in training to be a pilot, but don’t have my bachelor’s (yet)

Any idea on what steps I should take to possibly get there?

[Anonymous No.12259421]

>>12259418
https://youtu.be/FEV5r8jdBvQ

Eat sleep space

#astronaut

[Anonymous No.12259426]

>>12259417
expending Super Heavy roughly doubles your payload to LEO, from ~100-150 tons to ~300-350 tons
it doesn't improve your ability to throw things beyond earth orbit or to higher orbits, just refuel in LEO and you can put 150 tons on the way to Mars complete with delivery vehicle

[Anonymous No.12259435]

>>12259418
Get a ticket to Mars

[Anonymous No.12259438]

>>12259418
No, but seriously. Going to space isn’t as much of an accomplishment as it used to be imo. With commercial space becoming a thing and all.

[Anonymous No.12259443]

>>12259418
if you want to go to space, and either have the money, or professional education in a STEM field, and want to actively go to space, it's guaranteed if starship is successful

[Anonymous No.12259446]

>>12259443
Mars ain’t big enough for the both of us, pal

[Anonymous No.12259448]

>>12259443
Here’s a question for you guys that I can’t seem to find much information on.

When Starship is successful, is the plan to have captains or pilots on board, even if they’re just there to monitor shit?

[Anonymous No.12259451]

>>12259448
nobody knows yet
I recommend keeping an eye on the commercial Dragon launches that are upcoming

[Anonymous No.12259462]

>>12259257
Can...
Can we make Spacezeppelins a thing?
Someone call Elon.

[Anonymous No.12259464]

>>12259462
yeah that's how Venus would work if anybody were ever stupid enough to want to go there

[Anonymous No.12259470]

>>12259354
brainlet take.

[Anonymous No.12259473]

>>12259470
correct, why drop fancy gadgets when you can drop rocks

[Anonymous No.12259486]

>>12259222
SpaceX has a little more experience and their way of development is ridiculously fast and destructive.
Blue Origin on the other hand is about as conservative in their research and development as oldspace.

But to be fair:
It's a little more important for SpaceX to have Raptor ready to test Starship than it is for BE to get their engine ready.

[Anonymous No.12259531]

>>12259486
Blue pee

[Anonymous No.12259532]

>>12259531
Where is it stored?

[Anonymous No.12259539]

SSTO HYDROGEN ZEPPELIN WITH HYDROGEN ROCKET ENGINES.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE!

[Anonymous No.12259563]

>>12259531
ok do we need to be so immature? seriously

[Anonymous No.12259573]

>>12259486
Assuming Bezos doesn't like giving away money for the fun of it it looks to me like BO's strategy is self-defeating in the face of SpaceX's rapid progress - going so slow surely just means that SpaceX will continue to out innovate them and gobble up contracts because they can actually launch now and will always be able to do so in future at lower cost. Right? Surely even if they launch Kuiper sats they'll be eating higher costs than Starship? Will government contracts be enough?

[Anonymous No.12259577]

Why are the starship flaps not made of solid titanium or steel like the gridfins are. Looks like a metal sheet covering some wooden planks, they don't look like they can handle the drag

[Anonymous No.12259580]

>>12259577
Last i remember they're aluminum

[Anonymous No.12259593]

>>12259486
I'd say it's more important for BO to get their engine ready, they're supposed to be selling it to third parties after all.

[Anonymous No.12259610]

why is the Osiris news all over like it has never happened before? Jaxa already did it twice with their hayabusa probes

[Anonymous No.12259640]

So, Ariane 6, Vulcan, SLS, and New Glenn were supposed to fly this year and didn't. Poggers?

[Anonymous No.12259644]

>>12259577
>solid steel flaps
lol no
they're obviously not done yet though, i'm assuming they will be internally pressurized or something to keep the skin from buffeting

[Anonymous No.12259654]

>>12259644
Why not, aircraft wings have a solid profile?

[Anonymous No.12259659]

>>12259644
Fag, they will have heat tiles on the bottom side

[Anonymous No.12259663]

>>12259644
Also the new Shepard has solid metal for those little flaps on the bottom

[Anonymous No.12259683]

>>12259659
yeah, I wasn't talking about that though, I was talking about the core structure.
>>12259663
much like the gridfins those don't go through orbital re-entry and are purely for terminal guidance, not with a secondary purpose of providing lift in the hypersonic regime like the starship fins.

[Anonymous No.12259691]

>>12259683
they dont provide lift

[Anonymous No.12259700]

>>12259691
dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.12259704]

>>12259198
Are there any videos of octograbber in action? We get to see booster landings on the drone ships, but never the octograbber running out and grabbing on.

[Anonymous No.12259709]

>>12259700
I ran a CFD sim, ain't no lift buddy. Lift bro on suicide watch. Score 1 for drag team

[Anonymous No.12259713]

>>12259709
>Lift bro on suicide watch
elon's doing fine

[Anonymous No.12259719]

>>12259321
>the biggest manned launch vehicle
>Buran
>never flew manned

[Anonymous No.12259739]

Beam me up

[Anonymous No.12259767]

>>12259739
I wonder what he's up to

[Anonymous No.12259771]

>>12259767
cost plus plus

[Anonymous No.12259816]

>>12259640

[Anonymous No.12259817]

>>12259610
Idk protect budget from new administration. Sure is a good thing tho.

[Anonymous No.12259844]

>>12259610
that reminds me, Ryugu samples are landing in australia on Dec 6th. what if it brings the contagion?

[Anonymous No.12259861]

>>12259610
Because NASA does not want to be relegated to a fucking agrarian satellite society if there's a change in administrations. So they're making a big deal of everything happening right now.

And quite frankly, it is the first time a US built satellite has done it. So they get to have a few whoops and cheers.

[Anonymous No.12259873]

>>12259610
Sample return missions will never not be cool

[Anonymous No.12259901]

>>12259640
>Poggers?
Die.

[Anonymous No.12259909]

>>12259640
>Poggers?
Reddit?

[Anonymous No.12259917]

>>12259640
>Poggers?
Based.

[Anonymous No.12259924]

>>12259640 (You)
>Poggers?

[Anonymous No.12259927]

Preggers?

[Anonymous No.12259932]

>>12259640
>Poogers?
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.12259941]

>>12259640
>Poggers?
Indeed

[Anonymous No.12259947]

>>12259640
You need to go back.

[Anonymous No.12259954]

>>12259418
>What are my odds of going to space in my lifetime?
You know, I've been having dreams where I go to space. Maybe that's our calling.

[Anonymous No.12259956]

>>12259216
god the starliner is ugly

[Anonymous No.12259964]

>>12259956
you couldn't've made it more phallic if they tried

[Anonymous No.12259972]

>>12259964
It's not even how phallic it is; falcon heavy is just like that but pretty. It's just straight up shitty looking desu.

[Anonymous No.12259981]

Blue Pee on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.12259982]

>>12259382
>>12259388
is the Delta IV heavy peak oldspace?

[Anonymous No.12259990]

>>12259981
That's what happens when you piss on my wife. Guess what JEFF, I'M PISSING ON THE FUCKING ORBIT YOU SUBORBITAL RETARD

[Anonymous No.12259994]

>>12259382
>0 tons to LEO
oof

[Anonymous No.12259996]

>>12259207
nigga looks like the original elmer fudd

>>12259486
And speaking of BO and the other companies that don't do shit, what exactly is their process? I know that SpaceX is all for testing and blowing things up ASAP and making fast incremental changes based on how exactly it blows up. What does BO do? Run a gorillion models for a few decades before building shit?

[Anonymous No.12260006]

>>12259996
after the gorillions of tests, build a couple of artisan prototypes, don't build another one for 10 years while you slowly test them in increments of 5% of expected baseline performance every few months

[Anonymous No.12260007]

>>12259996
>What does BO do? Run a gorillion models for a few decades before building shit?
Wait for SpaceX to build something, make a cheap ripoff in China, brand it as an AmazonBasics Rocket.

[Anonymous No.12260015]

>>12259990

[Anonymous No.12260025]

If we pooled our resources and autism together, how long would it take us to build a fully functional heavy lift rocket if we divided up into teams working on different aspects of the rocket. Teams for engine, avionics, life support and body, if possible we make one for a small nuclear propulsion/power reactor for it
We just sit and watch, why not make our space autism a reality?

[Anonymous No.12260032]

I don't think it's been mentioned yet here, but pic related happened overnight. 10:53 UTC. A couple thrusters were tested.

>>12259981
I'm mad that SpaceX was even allowed to be in this position. Not that SpaceX should've been stopped, but their competition should've actually tried competing. If Starlink and Starship are successful, they deserve what's coming to them.

[Anonymous No.12260041]

>>12260032
So where’s the brain of SN8? Like I know SN5 and SN6 could control themselves, I thought that the nose is “dumb” and is hooked up to the core. Actually what type of computer do you think they’ve got running Starship?

[Anonymous No.12260042]

>>12260032
Sweet, it will be great when somewhere between probably SN15 and SN20 they move on to the LOX/CH4 common propellant RCS.

[Anonymous No.12260044]

>>12260042
>LOX/CH4 common propellant RCS.
what are the benefits to doing this? Weight savings?

[Anonymous No.12260048]

>>12260044
Yep, no extra tanks, no hypergols, simplified plumbing since they're just hooked into the autogenous pressurization system, and propellant commonality so you don't need any alternate supply line to manufacture your RCS propellant.

[Anonymous No.12260051]

>>12260025
I don't think you could crowdsource a suborbital rocket, much less a heavy lift one. Rockets require lots of steady ahrd work and money, something that crowd source projects seriously lack.

[Anonymous No.12260058]

>>12260051
If open source PS3 emulation is possible, we can make open source rockets

[Anonymous No.12260059]

>>12260041
Maybe the nose has independent control systems, or maybe they hooked it up to somewhere on the ground (perhaps even the rest of SN8) to test. I don't really know anything about avionics though.

[Anonymous No.12260060]

>>12260058
>Blue Origin PR campaign; “You wouldn’t download a rocket...”

[Anonymous No.12260064]

>>12260042
>LOX/CH4 common propellant RCS
Has that been confirmed? Seems like we'd get some indication of engine testing for it, and it is feasible that a chemical RCS system could end up being undesirable due to dry weight despite the cold gas thrusters' severely shitty ISP.

[Anonymous No.12260074]

>>12260064
Could you use LOX or CH4 as cold gas, instead of inert gas like nitrogen?

[Anonymous No.12260075]

that painted nosecone looks kinda cool actually

[Anonymous No.12260077]

>>12260058
No. One of those is entirely virtual, and you can share code in seconds. For a rocket you'd need to be shipping massive parts all over the world to different anons to work on.

[Anonymous No.12260079]

>>12260075
Second coat helped a lot.

[Anonymous No.12260084]

>Morgan Stanley now values SpaceX at $101 billion
And they're just getting started. Trillion dollar company soon.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1319240279207997453

[Anonymous No.12260088]

>>12260074
CH4 would get you a bit better ISP over N2 so if cold gas was the path I would go with that

[Anonymous No.12260092]

Bridenstine likely to be ousted from NASA next year.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1319248220338458624

[Anonymous No.12260093]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChlVExhlJlE
52 minutes to scrubtober starlink launch stream

[Anonymous No.12260094]

>>12260075
Your image makes the paint job look better than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.12260095]

Is Berger off his rocker or is Big Jim really gonna get the axe soon? I don’t understand- even the liberals like him. Why fire him?

[Anonymous No.12260096]

>>12260092
>>12260095
>one of the most universally beloved NASA administrators among democrats and republicans alike has little chance to keep his job
i'm mad

[Anonymous No.12260098]

>>12260092
Another reminder to never get excited about government space, alongside Space Force being a retirement home for oldspace rubes (which everyone should have expected).

[Anonymous No.12260104]

>>12260095
Because he's a republican and you change out the political appointees when the president's party changes. It's just how politics goes.

If a second-term Trump axes him then the only reason is going to be that he pissed off BOING too much.

[Anonymous No.12260105]

>>12260095
>>12260096
Why would this be the case?
>getting work done
>no complaints
>bi-partisan approval
"Yep time to remove this functional cog from the well-oiled machine" said nobody with any sense.

[Anonymous No.12260109]

>>12260092
Nooooo

[Anonymous No.12260110]

>>12260105
The left wants to remove anything associated with Trump. Expect a banana republic soon.

[Anonymous No.12260112]

>>12260105
Because he didn't pick Boeing to build HLS, and only give contracts exclusively to them

[Anonymous No.12260113]

>>12260104
>he pissed off BOING too much.
Pissing off BOING also means pissing off their stable of lobbyists and in turn all of the politicians affected by them so that's actually feasible

[Anonymous No.12260114]

>>12260077
Ok pal, I'll see you in 20 years when i'm 3d printing rockets i downloaded from github.

[Anonymous No.12260115]

>>12260092
But why. Seriously. Why. Nobody is giving any reasons for this whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.12260119]

>>12260094
Oof. Looks like if I had tried to paint it.

[Anonymous No.12260121]

>>12260115
Personally I think Berger is just crazy here. But there were talks a couple of weeks ago about some uber-republican guy possibly replacing him. I don't wanna pre judge anyone but Jim is awesome and this proposed new guy looks like a total slimeball. I'll try to see if I can find a source/article

[Anonymous No.12260123]

>>12260115
>Nobody is giving any reasons for this whatsoever.
In the case of a Trump re-election I imagine it's mostly down to backroom handshakes and promises rather than any merit of ability

[Anonymous No.12260124]

>>12260115
Berger has sources in the Trump campaign, but we plebians really don't have hard evidence. maddening

[Anonymous No.12260125]

>>12260119
It's pretty crinkly (old build?) so it's kind of lipstick on a pig regardless

[Anonymous No.12260127]

>>12260110
They all need the bullet then
>>12260112
Boeing needs the bullet too

[Anonymous No.12260130]

>>12260115
As the others have said, assuming it's true, either he'll be torn down for being from trump or replaced for political capital.

[Anonymous No.12260133]

>>12260124
Why would Eric Berger, a space reporter and a democrat, have sources within the Trump campaign? I like the guy's work but he's not infallible. All the Shelby memes are funny but Berger tries to make it sound like Shelby and Wicker, two republican senators, were responsible for SLS at a time when democrats controlled the senate.

[Anonymous No.12260137]

>>12260121
Berger was my source on that....mentioned it on the Planetary Podcast i think

[Anonymous No.12260138]

>>12259990
I've come to make an announcement: Jeff Who's a bald-ass motherfucker. He pissed on my fucking girlfrend. That's right, he took his Amazon fuckin' blue dick out and he pissed on my fucking girlfriend, and he said his dick was "THIS BIG", and I said "That's disgusting!" So I'm making a callout post on my Twitter dot com. Jeff Who, you got a small dick! It's the size of this walnut except WAY smaller! And guess what? Here's what my dong looks like!
That's right, baby! All chrome, no blue, no pillows, look at that, it looks like two balls and a bong!
He fucked my girlfriend, so guess what, I'm gonna fuck the Earth! That's right, this is what you get, my SUPER STARLINK PISS!
Except I'm not gonna piss on the Earth, I'm gonna go higher. I'm pissing on MARS! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT, OBAMA? I PISSED ON MARS, YOU IDIOT! You have 23 hours before the piss DRRRROPLLLETS hit the fucking Earth! Now get out of my fucking sight, before I piss on you too!

[Anonymous No.12260139]

>>12260092
Why does the president want to oust bridenstein

[Anonymous No.12260141]

>>12260110
Yeah but even the left loves Jim. Honestly one of the top 10 anime redemptions; when he came into office people hated him because he was a climate change denier. Now it seems people adore him EVEN if they hate artemis because drumpf man bad. Hell, liberals currently like him more than Bolden. Quite amazing really... Trump would be a fool to give him the boot just because he owes someone else a favor or two

[Anonymous No.12260143]

>>12260124
>>12260133
>>12260137
Is there really no paper trail on this claim besides Berger?

[Anonymous No.12260148]

>>12260141
>Trump would be a fool
yeah about that

[Anonymous No.12260149]

>>12260133
Maybe indirect sources. He knows friends of Jeff DeWit (ex NASA CFO, left NASA, hated Jim, now COO of Trump's 2020 campaign), and maybe talks to Jeff himself for all we know.

[Anonymous No.12260152]

>this is the guy /sfg/ is trusting for reliable political analysis

[Anonymous No.12260153]

On the plus side, Jim will likely be hired by SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12260154]

>>12260141
>Hell, liberals currently like him more than Bolden.
Of course, Bolden just sat around and made excuses for why so little was happening, but Jim tried to get as much moving as possible even trying to light a fire under SLS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptPdlVAwFg

[Anonymous No.12260156]

>>12260152
Let me guess he is jewish

[Anonymous No.12260157]

Post YFW Trump owes you a favor and you'll be administrator next.
For real though, Berger has lots of sources directly in the Trump campaign. This is the guy rumored to take over. Jeff DeWit. This is probably HUGELY wrong but everyone on the spacex subreddit is saying it probably has something to do with SLS and its costs, which would be one of the biggest fuck-you's to Jim ever. And the ultimate reason to hate SLS

[Anonymous No.12260158]

>>12260143
Love him or hate him, Berger does get his share of insider info. If some anons did a little digging themselves there might be some other sources

[Anonymous No.12260161]

>>12260141
>Trump would be a fool to give him the boot just because he owes someone else a favor or two
Agreed, hopefully he realizes this already. It'd do him good to keep Jim around and keep pushing publicly for Artemis, even if the landing is outside his second term.
The man wants a legacy for his ego, we want a new moon landing, I think there's room for compromise here.
>>12260152
Mulch this dude

[Anonymous No.12260162]

>>12260025
I agree anon, let's 'kin do it. I proposed a 4ASS patch as a fundraising idea some threads back and got not a single You

[Anonymous No.12260164]

>>12260157
Is DeWit pro-SLS?

[Anonymous No.12260165]

>>12260152
Would be nice if the Bridenstine replacement meme was started by Berger just to make people think their was no positive aspects to a Trump re-election

[Anonymous No.12260169]

>>12260152
We obviously dont trust his politics, we should also be skeptical of his claims. What does he have to gain by saying DeWit is replacing Jim?

[Anonymous No.12260172]

>>12260157
>Trump fires Big Jim
>"It's that SLS rocket. It was a bad deal. A very bad deal. I don't like bad deals. So I looked at Jim and said we need you gone! Never do a deal that bad. We need to cancel it right away."
I would shit my pants if this is the reason. Jim blatantly does not like Boeing and would probably cancel SLS if it didn't cause political suicide and an hero the entire artemis program. Everyone and their mother knows SLS is horrible but is in too deep to be killed. Like what is jim supposed to do?? He inherited a bad situation

[Anonymous No.12260174]

>>12260152
He's a little shrew but any information telling me to be pessimistic about the government only reinforces what I already believe

[Anonymous No.12260176]

>>12260169
He gains access to DeWit for inside info by telling people that DeWit is a big shot who they need to start sucking up to. It's normal DC rumormongering. It may be true but I see no reason to believe it at this point.

[Anonymous No.12260177]

>>12260165
Nice. Berger hates the white man

[Anonymous No.12260184]

>>12259573
It depends on how ruthless bezos is. He could sell launches to lose money, or even give them away.

[Anonymous No.12260189]

>>12260172
>Everyone and their mother knows SLS is horrible but is in too deep to be killed
Not everyone. There are still plenty of people of think SLS is the way to go for spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.12260194]

>>12260189
Who, where, how, why

[Anonymous No.12260204]

OH FUCK I OVERSLEPT. launch thread going up in a minute

[Anonymous No.12260208]

>>12260105
Since when did logic and sense run NASA or the government for that matter?

[Anonymous No.12260209]

>>12260064
Musk literally reconfirmed it on twitter today

[Anonymous No.12260210]

>>12260092
not buying it. Lib media for whatever reason has a tendency to go batshit retarded when it comes to anything even orbiting trump. It's shocking how many ""BOMBSHELL"" stories over the past 4 years have turned out to be 300% bullshit.

I'll keep this post in mind but it's probably more corp media rubbish

[Anonymous No.12260218]

>>12260208
Long ago... briefly

[Anonymous No.12260223]

>>12260092
>"The meeting was not public and was conducted under the Chatham House Rule"
>Chatham House Rule
Because heaven forfend that the public should be allowed to know what the fuck kind of policies they're voting for, right?

[Anonymous No.12260226]

>>12260152
Everything he said was objectively true tho. Apollo killed 3 men in a hideously incompetent test due to overwhelming arrogance, and women and nonwhites were shut out of the program for many years.

[Anonymous No.12260227]

>>12260194
Oldspace fans who disagree with privatization of spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.12260228]

>>12260209
Oh good. Miniraptor when?

[Anonymous No.12260229]

Launch thread >>12260221

[Anonymous No.12260231]

>>12260223
>"Also participating were two former senior NASA officials—Mike French, chief of staff under Bolden, and Doug Loverro"
Small fucking wonder they keep everything under wraps. Voting for this shit is a vote for the swamp.

>>12260229
Just as my notification for mission control audio went off on my phone, good man.

[Anonymous No.12260232]

>>12260226
>women and nonwhites were shut out of the program for many years.
but the media told me a black woman cranking out computation did all of the work??

[Anonymous No.12260234]

>>12260092
Don't you FUCKING DARE.

[Anonymous No.12260236]

>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST GET RID OF BIG JIMERINO, HE WANTS TO KILL SLS HE WANTS TO MAKE NASA GREAT AGAIN NOOOOOOO
>I DONT CARE IF HES A CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER
>I DO T CARE IF SLS IS ALMOST OR IF BOEINGS HLS WAS SUPERIOR I HATE BOEING REEEEE
>HE WAS SO GOOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.12260237]

>>12260092
I guess Big Jim ain't gonna be so Big anymore... heh... take that you job haters !!

[Anonymous No.12260239]

>>12260234
>>12260236
Look at the fucking state of the democrat shit.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/senior-space-officials-met-to-war-game-biden-administration-space-policy/

Bolden?
Loverro?

[Anonymous No.12260243]

>>12260229
Wait, again? Didn't they launch last week too? SpaceX is really picking up the pace.

[Anonymous No.12260244]

>>12260226
Women in the workforce is unironically bad for them though.

[Anonymous No.12260251]

>>12260243
They got a big backlog thanks to kung flu and engine issues.

[Anonymous No.12260271]

>>12260239
Shouldn't be a surprise. Biden administration is a continuation of the DC establishment train which includes oldspace. Obama, Bush, whatever. Republican/Democrat makes very little difference. They all rule the same.

[Anonymous No.12260276]

>>12259981
Where does that put musk at now? 140+ billion?

[Anonymous No.12260277]

>>12260232
You know what i mean.

[Anonymous No.12260285]

>>12260271
For starters, Bolden is a fucking retard. SLS IS REAL THEY'RE BUILDING IT DOWN AT MICHOUD IT AIN'T THAT EASY IN ROCKETRY!
And then there's Loverro, who just got caught with his dick firmly lodged in the cookie jar handing information over to Boing who weren't even half-assing their bids.

These people are going to send space exploration back to the fucking stone age.

[Anonymous No.12260293]

>>12260251
This is one of the reasons why I like SpaceX. Any oldspace launch provider would relax when they have a backlog because those are guaranteed launches. SpaceX doesn't relax because they want to get as many launches done as they can.

[Anonymous No.12260302]

>>12260285
>Bolden is a fucking retard. SLS IS REAL THEY'RE BUILDING IT DOWN AT MICHOUD IT AIN'T THAT EASY IN ROCKETRY!
He changed his stance lately. https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/former-nasa-administrator-says-sls-rocket-will-go-away/

[Anonymous No.12260304]

>>12260285
>>12260271
>>12260239
Biden and Harris are being coached by literal Boeing shills lmao

[Anonymous No.12260305]

>>12260276
That would put him right below ol' Jeffery in net worth ($188 billion) and above current second richest man in the world Bernard Arnault ($113 billion).

[Anonymous No.12260306]

>>12260285
Bolden flipped on SLS recently, though it's probably still best to keep him away from NASA.
NASA under Biden is fucked if Loverro is on the team though. It shows Biden doesn't care if oldspace has a back door into NASA.

[Anonymous No.12260308]

Why is the f9 about to launch all white? I thought they stopped using that scheme with Full Thrust

[Anonymous No.12260309]

>>12260293
Starlink is going to be their breadwinner. Launch market is one thing, but being able to spin off an IPO with just the service from a fleet of satellites your main company owns is something you want up and running asap.
Especially if you want a lot of liquid assets to fund developments of your new rocket and a future Mars colony.

>>12260302
>>12260306
Well of course he fucking flipped. One rocket flew and the other is rotting foam standing in a test stand at Stennis. That doesn't make him smart, that means he has two functional eyes.

[Anonymous No.12260319]

imagine is sn8 sat on a launch mount waiting 4 years for a static fire

[Anonymous No.12260321]

>>12260308
Maybe the parts they had in storage had that paint scheme? It doesn't go any faster or slower or have more or less thrust depending on the paint scheme after all. They're not Orks over at SpaceX despite what Boing might think of them.

[Anonymous No.12260325]

>>12260319
If Starship was being developed by oldspace we'd be lucky to see any construction begin on it by the late 2020s

[Anonymous No.12260326]

>>12260319
Can't they at least throw a tarp over it, what the shit
It's like that house with a broken car in the front yard, the owner swears he'll get it running one of these days but the neighbors all know that car will never move under its own power

[Anonymous No.12260331]

>>12260319
I wonder how the foam smells after sitting that long

[Anonymous No.12260334]

Boca Chica is something else
https://twitter.com/SpacePadreIsle/status/1319274703463170048

[Anonymous No.12260343]

>>12260321
>They're not Orks over at SpaceX
>>12260334
hmm

[Anonymous No.12260345]

>>12260331
Money, old cologne, and desperation.

[Anonymous No.12260348]

>>12260343
That's just some argon being transported.
If they were Orks, they'd be painting their rockets red with racing stripes and flames.

[Anonymous No.12260351]

>>12260321
Red objectively makes it go faster, x2 increase in velocity if you paint flames on the side.

[Anonymous No.12260352]

>>12260304
gotta source for this? I don't pay much attention to this crap but if they're in bed with boing I'd like to know about it

>>12260309
I've heard that Starlink is going to be used to more or less gouge wallstreet. They've spent billions on fast connections between financial centers before, laying fiber optic cables across the ocean. Well, starlink is faster because light travels better through a vacuum than glass. So if starlink exceeds existing financial connections traders will have no choice but to use it or be at a disadvantage to those who do. Then that money can go into starship/mars/whatever. It's a brilliant plan.

and yeah, boldon is just going with the flow. Favor is moving against SLS so he's jumping on the train

[Anonymous No.12260353]

>>12260334
Plot twist: Starship was actually a brewery this entire time and that was the first of Elon's Atomic Piss beer to be flavor tested.

[Anonymous No.12260354]

>>12260352
>I've heard
Speculation is a hell of a drug and I don't mean in stocks.

[Anonymous No.12260356]

>>12260351
>x2 increase in velocity if you paint flames on the side
ULA is onto something with Vulcan

[Anonymous No.12260361]

>>12260352
Dude loverro is under investigation for boeing relatedcorruption

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/14/21369377/nasa-doug-loverro-human-spaceflight-criminal-probe-boeing-wsj

[Anonymous No.12260364]

>>12260334
>using a fork lift to carry over supplies so Mexicans can weld together your hyper advanced fully reusable rocket on the beach
lmao Fuck oldspace

[Anonymous No.12260367]

>>12260356
I bet ACTUAL flames work even better. Holy shit ULA was ahead of the game all along.

[Anonymous No.12260373]

>>12260361
>hey you know that guy who broke protocol to try to bring in an underperforming contractor illegally?
>yeah lets have him work on our space policies

[Anonymous No.12260376]

>>12260325
Oh god let's pretend starship was being built by oldspace. Let's ASSUME they somehow decided to use methalox and stainless steel. I think we would STILL be seeing nothing but wind tunnel tests on twitter with maybe three engines just now being shown off, except they would be 3D printed half scale "models" that could fire for two seconds

[Anonymous No.12260386]

>>12260373
The swamp must flow.

[Anonymous No.12260392]

>>12260386
>flow
Burn

[Anonymous No.12260393]

SCRUBBED

[Anonymous No.12260396]

>>12260392
Well, yes. But I was trying to make a point as to what these people are trying to accomplish.

[Anonymous No.12260409]

>>12260236
Why yes, I don't care about his personal beliefs. Oh yes of course I want the SLS project to be made defunct and cancelled as quickly as possible to mitigate wastefulness. Why yes of course, I do hate BOING! How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.12260415]

>>12260319
>building all that just for static fire test
Fuck Old Space!!

[Anonymous No.12260431]

>scrubx

[Anonymous No.12260444]

>>12260409
Love me Boeing

Love me sis

Simple redneck trash I am

Love me star wars I do

[Anonymous No.12260447]

>>12260364
>using fork lift

[Anonymous No.12260460]

>>12260231
FUCK THESE RATS

[Anonymous No.12260461]

>>12260447
>using industry standard moving equipment
>bell isn't covered
>plumbing isn't wrapped into foam and blankets
>bells looks to be scared and scuffed from handling
>all they did was serran wrap the intakes
this is the most advanced engine ever built, fuck oldspace babying engines like they'll break if you blow on them

[Anonymous No.12260463]

>>12260447
Compare that to how the RS-25 is moved.

[Anonymous No.12260465]

>>12260156
Berg
er

[Anonymous No.12260468]

>>12260463
Lmao imagine if it bumped or scraped the cuck box while they were stowing it.
>Uh oh guys our ten million dollar surface finish is scratched, looks like it will be another six months till the engine is ready!

[Anonymous No.12260470]

>>12260226
>In celebration of this dead man's birth day, let me be the one to tell you he was a good white male unlike the shitty white males he worked with

>what? Everything I said line by line was true

[Anonymous No.12260471]

>>12260463
Can't help but feel bad about those old people.
SLS is a dead end but those workers don't know that.

[Anonymous No.12260473]

>>12260447
>Engine intended for thousands of flights and quick turnarounds

>>12260463
>Engine intended for "reuse" through extremely expensive refurb, except they're just going to drop them in the drink.

I know which one I'd trust, the one that can actually withstand a bit of rough treatment.

[Anonymous No.12260474]

>>12260463
Expendable $2 million box to move it from room 1S5429A to 2BAL13D (across the parking lot)

[Anonymous No.12260475]

>>12260463
The red and white colorscheme and how tidy the engine looks is so sexy

[Anonymous No.12260476]

>>12260471
I'm sure they're aware. They're not oblivious to the technical issues that they have to deal with. Why do you think they're dragging their heels with it?

[Anonymous No.12260477]

>>12260471
Oh no they're very much aware.
Angry astronaut did an interview with two apollo workers in huntsville recently and they shit talked SLS in it.

[Anonymous No.12260481]

>>12260468
>cuck box
>"NOOOOOO I WANT TO RETIRE TO A MUSEUM!! DON'T PUT ME IN THE KEK BOX AGAIN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAA"

[Anonymous No.12260480]

>>12260092
1) literally who
2) offers no reasoning
3) trying to predict trump

Honestly, it's the last one that most disqualifies this prediction

[Anonymous No.12260482]

>>12260476
Some employees post on a forum i visit. They are convinced Orion won't be cancelled and that Starship will take a long time to be human rated.

[Anonymous No.12260483]

>>12260468
>>12260474
You guys are obviously exaggerating but shit like this actually happens

[Anonymous No.12260491]

>>12260482
Orion is honestly a decent capsule. Unless/until Dragon gets a proper service module or Starship gets human rated it's the best choice for beyond-LEO stuff.

[Anonymous No.12260497]

>>12260223
Sounds like a bunch of people roleplaying a job they hope they get hire, too pathetic for me to care

[Anonymous No.12260499]

>>12260483
I refuse to believe

[Anonymous No.12260500]

>>12260483

[Anonymous No.12260505]

>>12260497
Well, if they win, it's more than just a larp.

[Anonymous No.12260507]

>>12260500
I love the two guys standing there looking at it like “well it ain’t MY problem...”

[Anonymous No.12260508]

>>12260500
Hope they had insurance

[Anonymous No.12260509]

>>12260481
>RS-25, it's four years since your assembly, time for your ocean crash landing!
>Yes honey.

[Anonymous No.12260517]

>>12260507
>"Weeeell, good thing we're unionized"

[Anonymous No.12260519]

>>12260463
>we need two full-time technicians to put the engine in the box, and also five other full time employees to stand around and do nothing

[Anonymous No.12260520]

>>12260507
POV: your job security is in a constant state of probability and the wave equation collapsed too fast that day

[Anonymous No.12260525]

>>12260500
What do they do when that happens?
Do they put it back up, repair whatever visible damage there is and hope for the best?

[Anonymous No.12260530]

>>12260500
Imagine being the fucking retard who took the bolts out of the baseplate without bothering to tell anybody.
Imagine being the fucking retard who skipped over checking to make sure the baseplate was properly secured.
>"Oh we can skip the baseplate check, you know they always report it whenever they do anything"
>CLANG
And this is lockmeme, the aerospace company which is supposedly less incompetent than BOING!

[Anonymous No.12260532]

>>12260525
Yeah they did fix it, it cost 135 million in repairs, 30 of which Lockheeb paid and the rest of the bill was footed by you good sir, the taxpayer!

[Anonymous No.12260533]

>>12260530
Am I the only one here that actually likes lockheed? I'm pretty sure they are the only reason ULA doesn't FUBAR every launch.

[Anonymous No.12260537]

>>12260525
they had to re-qual every system, it cost another $135m

[Anonymous No.12260539]

>>12260519
>if only there was a faster and better way to do this
>lets hire a sixth full time employee to stand around
>surely that will fix things

[Anonymous No.12260541]

>>12260471
>>12260477
poor souls
imagine working for years on a great space project just for some stupid politicans cancalling or changing it. then starting to work again on something which uses the leftover parts of your previous project and watch the cycle repeat

[Anonymous No.12260545]

>>12260533
the lockmart parts of ULA are less fucky than the boeing parts
but they're still expensive and slow, they just aren't also incompetent on top of that

[Anonymous No.12260547]

>>12260533
Lockheed is ambitious but what bothers me is that they make billions of dollars a year but never do anything “just because”. They wait till they get money from the government. Their lunar lander plan was cool but if they had drive they’d build it anyways NASA be damned.

[Anonymous No.12260550]

>>12260507

[Anonymous No.12260551]

>>12260533
The Atlas V is pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.12260552]

>>12260532
>you good sir, the taxpayer
jokes on you, I'm not American

[Anonymous No.12260554]

>>12260541
Dude I remember visiting Kennedy SC during the Constellation program. Imagine those poor fuckers having to tear down the models of the Ares I and V. They still have some Altair stuff in 2018

[Anonymous No.12260557]

>>12260551
Why does one SRB have two nozzles?

[Anonymous No.12260558]

>>12260551
>Russian engine
how unamerican

[Anonymous No.12260564]

Is it possible to have low-heat aerocapture and reentry from Earth orbit if the object in question has a retarded-low ballistic coefficient? Picture a gigantic ball of loosely-crumpled platinum foil that's been refined from an asteroid and needs to be brought to the surface without a reentry vehicle.

[Anonymous No.12260565]

>>12260557
it doesn't, there are 3 SRBs

[Anonymous No.12260566]

>>12260557
That's a separate SRB behind it.

[Anonymous No.12260567]

>>12260551
>asymmetric SRBs

[Anonymous No.12260569]

>>12260533
Martin-Marietta had an awesome aerospace division before Lockheed bought them. Ran the Titan program and had acquired Atlas. Produced one Robert Zubrin too. I like to think they're the real brains behind the operation at Lockheed but I don't know how it goes.

[Anonymous No.12260572]

>>12260567
>not drifting off the launchpad

[Anonymous No.12260573]

>>12260533
They're OK, obviously they've done some great high end aircraft work and a slew of other military stuff, but they're still animated mostly by the principle of getting as much pork from the government as possible, like Boing! And like Boing! they have in recent decades started substantially overcharging and overrunning deadlines on their projects.
Give them some more time and they'll end up as bad as Boing! is now.

[Anonymous No.12260577]

>>12260573
Exiting the commercial airliner market entirely in favor of more government pork was a bad sign.

[Anonymous No.12260578]

>>12260569
My favorite ex Martin-Marietta employee, you ask? Why it's pic related of course!

[Anonymous No.12260586]

>>12259462
BEHOLD:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az7DEwG68A

[Anonymous No.12260591]

>>12260569
before the ULA merger, Boeing had their Delta engineering team at Huntington Beach, CA, and Lockheed Martin had their Atlas engineering team in Centennial, CO. During the merger, the Huntington Beach office got shut down and the employees were allowed to move to Colorado if they wanted, or find a new job. Not many of them decided to move

[Anonymous No.12260596]

>>12260557
>He doesn't know about the 411 launch configuration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQqiCMp6WPY
[MUFFLED EUROBEAT INTENSIFIES]

[Anonymous No.12260598]

>>12260075
>>12260094
this is KINOOOOO

[Anonymous No.12260603]

>>12260586
>Manned entry into Venus with an origami balloon and Pagasus style SRB drop vehicle
Absolutely terrifying

[Anonymous No.12260606]

>>12260596
Get in faggot, we're powersliding to orbit

[Anonymous No.12260610]

>>12260598
>GIANT CREW MOONSHIP with the NASA worm on a white coat of paint
How will SLS ever recover?

[Anonymous No.12260613]

>>12260598
>the worm on starship

[Anonymous No.12260616]

>>12260598
The Big Jim seal of approval, fuck yes

[Anonymous No.12260619]

>>12260598
UHHHH HULLO BASED DEPARTMENT????

[Anonymous No.12260624]

>>12260598
>This is what all SLS contractors fear

[Anonymous No.12260630]

>>12260616
>mfw Trump wins and Elon invites him to the presentation
>Trump announces SLS is cancel

[Anonymous No.12260632]

>>12260603
if something fails you are literally falling into hell itself
but apart from that it has to be an awesome feeling to fly through the clouds of an alien world in your (acid proof) airship

[Anonymous No.12260638]

>>12260533
F-35 is my only reason to hate Lockheed, otherwise they are ok

[Anonymous No.12260639]

>>12260598
>They'll go with the classic white paint scheme after all.
I COOM

[Anonymous No.12260640]

>>12260598
Somewhere Dan Goldin is seething

[Anonymous No.12260646]

>>12260639
I think this is a mock-up of HLS starship using SN6

[Anonymous No.12260647]

In the future Musk should build a crawler but it moves starship pieces fast as fuck down the road, just to flex on oldspace and their gay slow speed

[Anonymous No.12260655]

>>12260598
>they're actually going for the moonship mockup
>Starship may be painted to protect from corrosion after all
I AM FULLY ERECT

[Anonymous No.12260657]

Lol they're swapping out the raptor ahahaha
600hz bros, we werent too cocky after all

[Anonymous No.12260661]

>>12260647
CyberElephant

[Anonymous No.12260663]

>>12260598
>Nasa worm
<3

[Anonymous No.12260664]

>>12260655
>spacex completes their artemis lander before everyone else

[Anonymous No.12260665]

WAIT
GUYS
NASA SAID THEY HAVE A MAJOR MOON ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY
AND ELON IS PUTTING THE WORM ON SN8
IS IT HAPPENING?
ARE WE ABOUT TO SEE STARSHIP WIN THE ARTEMIS LANDER SELECTION?

[Anonymous No.12260666]

>>12260598
I got chills when I saw this.

[Anonymous No.12260667]

>>12260646
I do legitimately hope they paint SS/Superheavy, I know most Anons like the bare steel look, but I will never betray the Apollo era black/white paint scheme. No American spacecraft after Saturn V will ever look right to me unless it shares that color palette.

[Anonymous No.12260671]

>>12260665
>ARE WE ABOUT TO SEE STARSHIP WIN THE ARTEMIS LANDER SELECTION?
That would be one hell of a quick selection process

[Anonymous No.12260673]

>>12260665
>Jim knows he is on the way out, he is approaching his final days
>Fuck it just give all contracts to SpaceX and make it an irreversible decision so they at least get all the money

[Anonymous No.12260674]

>>12260671
It's the only one that's hopped yet.

[Anonymous No.12260676]

>>12260647
No, it moves entire starships across the land at the speed of a PANZERKAMPFWAGEN

[Anonymous No.12260677]

>>12260051
look up copenhagen suborbitals

[Anonymous No.12260680]

>>12260667

[Anonymous No.12260682]

>>12260481
better than being sent on a suicide mission

[Anonymous No.12260683]

>>12260665
>>12260673
It will probably be downselected to two winners. We all love SpaceX, but it's always good to have a backup.

[Anonymous No.12260686]

>>12260665

[Anonymous No.12260688]

>>12260657
Welp. How many more static fires are we gonna see before the hop?

>>12260665
The announcement is on Monday.

[Anonymous No.12260691]

>>12260683
If they announce Starship and ALPACA, and throw out national team's gay lander, I will quite literally bust a nut

[Anonymous No.12260692]

>>12260665
b-but my suborbital rockets and baloon mockup lander! THIS IS UNCOMPETATIVE I WILL SUE ELON CANNOT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH ACTUAL DELIVERY OF A PRODUCT!

[Anonymous No.12260694]

>>12260691
Let’s think about this logically. Starship is reusable, and Alpaca only throws away aluminum cans. National Team shits out it’s lander on every flight.

Why do they call it Alpaca, again?

[Anonymous No.12260695]

>>12260688
two- redo of first campaign, then with headers

[Anonymous No.12260698]

>>12260694
Backronym for Autonomous Logistics Platform for All-Moon Cargo Access

[Anonymous No.12260701]

>>12260694
>Why do they call it Alpaca, again?
Blame the space industry's hard on for obtuse contrived acronyms

[Anonymous No.12260702]

>>12260665
The moon announcement has something to do with discoveries from the Sofia detector. That plane they got going high up.

[Anonymous No.12260704]

>>12260692
HOLD ME PIKACHU

[Anonymous No.12260705]

>>12260702
What could it be? Water on moon?

[Anonymous No.12260711]

>>12260705
It's probably something like that, found something that might be a big concentration of water or something that appears to be a concentration of magnetic forces that offer better shielding than other spots on the moon or something in that vein.
Because they are hinting at it having effects on long term stay on the moon. Stupid to speculate too much anyways.

[Anonymous No.12260717]

>>12260711
Why do they hold these huge press releases then?

[Anonymous No.12260719]

>>12260717
It's stupid to speculate until they've actually held the press conference.

[Anonymous No.12260732]

>>12260711
Eric berger already told us the announcement. Confirmation of water molecules on moon south pole

[Anonymous No.12260736]

>>12260732
Ah, is that all? Hardly news. We knew there was water ice there.

[Anonymous No.12260745]

>>12260736
we've never actually detected water molecules

[Anonymous No.12260746]

>>12260732
>Confirmation of water molecules on moon south pole
But we already knew this? Is this a situation like on Mars that whenever they find more evidence of former surface water they hold a big press release about it and all the news outlets post crazy stories of how NASA "just" discovered Mars used to have an ocean?

[Anonymous No.12260748]

Now he's just flexing on Roscosmos lmao
https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1319301157215367178?s=20

[Anonymous No.12260750]

>>12260667
just think of it as the old school Mercury/Atlas color scheme

[Anonymous No.12260753]

>>12260748
YES Nautilus bros. We will attach inflatable habs and a spinning ring and dock starships to it

[Anonymous No.12260754]

>>12260732
That's nice and all but we need other resources to be found too like massive sulfur, salt, or iron deposits.

[Anonymous No.12260755]

>>12260745
>irrefutably prove there is water ice
>detecting water molecules
is there much of a difference?

[Anonymous No.12260756]

>>12260657
OHNONONONO

[Anonymous No.12260757]

>>12260755
not really, which is why it's gay

[Anonymous No.12260758]

>>12260754
This looks like a comfy Martian apartment block, just needs more wall and less sheet.

[Anonymous No.12260763]

>>12260680

[Anonymous No.12260767]

>>12260755
>>12260757
I think it's more for normies who follow NASA's twitter and instagram accounts but don't follow autistic spaceflight reporters. If they see an announcement they will get excited and it will increase support for artemis. Plus I bet they get bored doing paperwork all day its probably just Jim wanting to give himself something fun to do

[Anonymous No.12260770]

>>12260754
how practical is pressurizing deep martian subterranean habs?

[Anonymous No.12260775]

>>12260657
>>12260756
it's unclear if they're swapping it out or not. It's still sitting out there as of now. Currently surrounded by people. The inspection seems to be over so we'll know soon if it's going back up or getting swapped

[Anonymous No.12260778]

>>12260767
>If they see an announcement they will get excited and it will increase support for artemis.
But hyping up something so arbitrary will have the opposite effect. It'll just reinforce the idea that space is boring

[Anonymous No.12260786]

>>12260775
it's over, you've lost. 600hz gang RISE UP!
concern troll? more like concern TRUTH

[Anonymous No.12260787]

>>12260138
Gold

[Anonymous No.12260788]

>>12259342
It literally cannot glide

[Anonymous No.12260797]

>>12260519
I see America still maintains some British cultural traditions

[Anonymous No.12260800]

I’m surprised something as small as Ryugu could be orbited.

[Anonymous No.12260803]

>>12260788
some nigger keeps repeating that it's a lifting body, we have to stop him

[Anonymous No.12260810]

>>12260803

[Anonymous No.12260817]

>>12259342
it's similar to the glide ratio of an obese skydiver using their arms to steer themselves

[Anonymous No.12260818]

>>12260800
Anything can be orbited

[Anonymous No.12260823]

>>12260810
Thanks for turning in your book report on time. You receive an F

[Anonymous No.12260826]

[Anonymous No.12260829]

>>12260810
The Lockheed Mars lander is even less of a spaceplane than Starship

[Anonymous No.12260832]

>>12260701
>hard on for obtuse contrived acronyms
Also know as HO-FOCA

[Anonymous No.12260841]

>>12260810
Ahem

[Anonymous No.12260845]

>>12260810
Skylon makes my iron the big iron

[Anonymous No.12260846]

>>12260770
more pratical than terraforming

[Anonymous No.12260852]

>>12260829
The plan was genius actually. Although it uses shekeldyne engines, it was a good moon lander proposal that would slowly be upscaled and then have protective shielding built over it. It's a lander in disguise as a starship but it's cool as fuck. If they ditched the hydrogen they could pull out more room for crew and cargo

[Anonymous No.12260858]

>>12260826
kek

[Anonymous No.12260862]

>>12260826
Build it in KSP

[Anonymous No.12260864]

>>12260852
Hydrogen requires huge tanks right? If they swapped to superchilled methalox how much room would they save?

[Anonymous No.12260871]

Thinking about thos beans...

[Anonymous No.12260874]

>>12260871
Go eat them then so you become a pathetic soiboy with big hips so the actual men can fuck you for recreation.

[Anonymous No.12260890]

>>12260864
Keep in mind though Methalox is heavy. They wanted a “light” lander. The lunar lander needs 40 tons of Hydrolox and the mars one needs 70 tons. They wanted to be able to refuel the thing with 3-4 EELV tankers (Lunar) and 6-8 EELV tankers for the Mars design.

Methalox is cool but it’s kinda heavy and has 100 seconds lower isp. You have to understand Lockheed’s viewpoint here.

[Anonymous No.12260895]

raptor is being lifted and taken back under SN8. You have to squint like fuck but it's workable to tell what's going on.

[Anonymous No.12260914]

>>12260871
Will those beans grow up to be baseduzes?

[Anonymous No.12260937]

>>12260841

[Anonymous No.12260947]

>>12260841
that's the ugliest piece of shit i've ever witnessed
seems like the combination between a whale and a

[Anonymous No.12260953]

>>12260947
jew

[Anonymous No.12260960]

>>12260937
>no rubbing hands
What a waste

[Anonymous No.12260996]

>>12260841
It looks like a hammerhead corvette from star wars

[Anonymous No.12261004]

>>12260754
God salt mines are fuckin kino

[Anonymous No.12261009]

>>12260817
Bingo. A ratio less than one is still a ratio.

[Anonymous No.12261021]

>>12260598
That's the ticket!

[Anonymous No.12261022]

>>12261004
based

[Anonymous No.12261060]

>>12260874
Beans are much more space efficient to produce than meat so you WILL join the estrogenized male faction if you wanna live on Mars or O'Neil cylinders.

[Anonymous No.12261063]

>>12261060
If beans caused estrogen to rise then Latin Americans wouldn't be the most chad people on the planet.

[Anonymous No.12261090]

>>12260852
The Mars lander looks so good unshielded.
Did their plan call for a two-stage lander to evolve into a single-stage lander? Why didn't they just start with the single-stage? Also, the Moon and Mars landers don't look to have much in common.

[Anonymous No.12261093]

Is this 600hz thing the same as the oscillation problems on the Saturn V ad the Shuttle engines?

[Anonymous No.12261102]

>>12261093

[Anonymous No.12261112]

Engine's on its way back towards the the construction site
Also they're moving the nosecone

[Anonymous No.12261128]

Looks like nosecones has been damaged or something.

[Anonymous No.12261129]

>>12261093
Only SpaceX knows.

[Anonymous No.12261130]

>>12261090
I believe they switched their first proposal to a single-stage but it was too late. NASA gave them the axe early. It's a good lander to compliment Orion- but much like Orion it's pretty much going to be rendered obsolete by Starship

[Anonymous No.12261131]

>>12260598
Wait is this real or a shop

[Anonymous No.12261133]

Korone weighs in on the NASA logo argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG1EZMcCJZY

[Anonymous No.12261134]

>>12261090
They proposed the single stage lunar lander first, then downsized it to the 2 stage one to meet the 2024 deadline. Also the mars lander is not (supposed) to be unshielded. The diagram just shows that it’s guts are the same as the other two landers.

[Anonymous No.12261137]

>>12261128
Looks fine to me. I think they're prepping to lift it.

>>12261131
It's real

[Anonymous No.12261140]

>>12261130
>NASA gave them the axe early.
Lockheed never submitted it for HLS though. They partnered with Blue Origin before then.

[Anonymous No.12261141]

>>12261133
>worm nasa: put men on moon
>meatball nasa: blew up two shuttles
>worm nasa again: putting men on mars

[Anonymous No.12261145]

>>12261141
apollo was during meatball nasa and challenger was during worm nasa, dummy

[Anonymous No.12261146]

>>12261141
>worm nasa: put men on moon
>meatball nasa: blew up two shuttles
I think you might wanna check up on your history there friend

[Anonymous No.12261151]

>>12261141
They literally got rid of the worm because it was on two shuttles that killed astronauts and they didn't like the association lmao

[Anonymous No.12261153]

>>12261060
>Muh space

Space won’t be a huge issue on Mars so I dunno why you’re so obsessed with that, bitchboy. Stop being a faggot.

[Anonymous No.12261156]

>>12261133
The meatball is okay for some applications, but the worm is simple, bold, and iconic. If Big Jim reinstated it as the primary logo with the meatball as a situational substitute, I'd be so happy.

[Anonymous No.12261157]

>>12261131
Starship is real. You've seen it down at Boca Chica. We're building the booster stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand.

[Anonymous No.12261158]

>>12261063
Phytoestrogens act like estrogen, they don’t cause native estrogen to rise.

[Anonymous No.12261160]

>>12261157
>We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the rocket.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.12261161]

Gonna be real fun to watch the 600hz fags come up with excuses when it turns out they're just taking the Raptors off to reinstall the thrust sim for a nosecone pressure test and they're gonna reinstall the same ones immediately afterwards.

[Anonymous No.12261164]

>>12261140
They proposed it before the HLS competition and got ignored.

[Anonymous No.12261167]

>>12261160
>We have all the engines done, some of which have already performed test flights
FTFTFY

[Anonymous No.12261170]

>>12261141
>>12261151
you people need to get your nasa logo history sorted

>meatball: 1959-1975
>worm: 1975-1992
>meatball: 1992-2019
>worm/meatball: 2020-

[Anonymous No.12261176]

>>12261151
They actually got rid of the worm because of this one autist

>On Friday 22 May 1992, Goldin announced unexpectedly that the "worm" logo would be replaced by the traditional NASA blue "meatball" logo. It had been replaced in 1975 by the NASA red "worm" logo. By 1997, Goldin had started a largely successful campaign within NASA to eradicate the "worm". He would become infuriated and vulgar whenever he would see a "worm" logo that was not replaced.

[Anonymous No.12261178]

>>12260826
Needs moar boosters.

[Anonymous No.12261181]

>>12261170
Bro when do you think the two shuttle disasters happened? The fucking worm got abandoned because the shuttles were grounded. We weren't flying shuttles in the god damn 50's

[Anonymous No.12261183]

>>12261153
Just because Mars has a lot of land doesn't mean you can make your settlement as big as you want. Each square meter will need electricity, shielding etc. even if the base is underground and you got the walls for free.

Also stop with muh masculinity bravado, you sound like a broken record. Actual alpha males don't need to shout how manly they are at every opportunity. It shows insecurity. You're probably one of those autists who got bullied at school or was raised in a dysfunctional family so you started larping as a macho man to compensate. Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.12261184]

>>12261176
Can I get an early life check on this guy

Wormbros indicated again

[Anonymous No.12261187]

>>12261184
>(((Daniel)))
>(((Saul)))
>(((Goldin)))
Yep, every single time.

[Anonymous No.12261189]

>>12261176
Someone should check in on him. He must be seething.

>>12261181
>Bro when do you think the two shuttle disasters happened?
1986 and 2003?

[Anonymous No.12261200]

>>12261176
But why did he hate it?

[Anonymous No.12261201]

>>12261184
>Born in the Bronx, NYC

Oy Vey.

[Anonymous No.12261206]

>>12261022
I think I would like living underground, even if I would miss the sun.
It's like huge underground stations, I find them comfy

[Anonymous No.12261210]

>>12261189
>1986 and 2003?
Fuck nevermind I am an fag
>>12261200
Probably autism or something not even kidding

[Anonymous No.12261215]

IT‘S STAKKENING!

[Anonymous No.12261216]

>>12261183
>Just because Mars has a lot of land doesn't mean you can make your settlement as big as you want. Each square meter will need electricity, shielding etc. even if the base is underground and you got the walls for free.

You NASA brains try to over complicate everything. Just put a metal tube or box in a trench and bury it. You can install overhead lights with the same technology and difficulty it requires to put a lightbulb in my shed. Water can be recycled infinitely in the sealed habitat so that isn’t an issue either. Starships can bring tens of tons of the stuff and more can be found locally.

[Anonymous No.12261217]

>>12261183
>Soiboy projection

Lol. Stop eating phytoestrogens

[Anonymous No.12261221]

>>12261216
Literally free real estate

[Anonymous No.12261229]

>>12261221
I’m pretty sure there’s some outdated nonsense agreements preventing truly claiming areas there but that’ll probably go away with time to meet demands.

You think Starship would bring water as blocks of ice or as liquid?

[Anonymous No.12261230]

>>12260236
>>I DONT CARE IF HES A CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER
He isn't though. He changed his position based on evidence presented to him by NASA. He's literally exactly what we want, a rational person in a position of power, willing to change his stance on things based on reality rather than remaining adamant on his worldview because of emotions.

[Anonymous No.12261231]

>>12261229
Ice is less dense than water and would be energy intensive to keep it frozen, so liquid

[Anonymous No.12261232]

Lads...

https://www.mtdmfg.com/news/lockheed-martin-to-transfer-its-satellite-launch-operations-to-shetland-space-centre/

[Anonymous No.12261234]

>>12261229
ideally water is stored in cylindrical tank surrounding sleeping quarters for rad protection desu

the radiation meme is even more of a meme when you take into account water shielding

[Anonymous No.12261237]

>>12261232
Musk leaves for Mars, Lockheed leaves for Scotland. WTF

[Anonymous No.12261238]

>>12261216
I don't think your points really disagree with his.
None of this leaves you with a situation where expanding habitable space is simply trivial, it's still a considerable effort, which means you're going to want to use it efficiently.

[Anonymous No.12261243]

>>12261237
Props to Lockheed, Scotland is a much harder place to live than Mars

[Anonymous No.12261245]

>>12261217
No actual alpha male ever posted on 4chan about his superiority to soiboys. Get better at larping.

[Anonymous No.12261252]

>NASA preforming a dress rehearsal for SLS's launch next year
IT'S HAPPENING BROS
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1319363658250702849

[Anonymous No.12261253]

>>12261021

[Anonymous No.12261254]

>>12261238
It’s a considerable effort to make a building of any kind. You could still create areas of considerable volume in the space of a day to perform aquaculture in.

[Anonymous No.12261257]

>>12261252
>https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1319363658250702849

SLS launch in 2030 confirmed!

[Anonymous No.12261260]

>>12261252
More like a crossdress rehearsal lol. Because SLS is for trannies

[Anonymous No.12261262]

>>12261245
Go the gym, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12261264]

>>12261200
Literally and unironically because he's a Jew. The meatball is an aspirational symbol of reaching for the stars. The worm is a word in fancy fonts optimized for branding.

>>12260236
Trump will win. Jim will not leave. You will never be a real girl.

[Anonymous No.12261265]

>>12261252

[Anonymous No.12261268]

>>12261021
>>12261253
Never thought I'd see Withnail & I posted in this place of all places.
/sfg/ truly is the most patrician of threads.
This calls for some Gin. Cin cin.

[Anonymous No.12261269]

>trump will win

[Anonymous No.12261271]

>>12261269
Pence is up there practicing.

[Anonymous No.12261272]

>>12261260
We don't want it either.
t. trannies

[Anonymous No.12261275]

>>12261272
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.12261277]

>>12261269
The last time lightning struck that building Trump won the 2016 Illinois primary.

[Anonymous No.12261279]

>>12260748
>reduce the amount of propellant needed by 90%
That's an odd way of saying you can increase payload mass by 10x.

[Anonymous No.12261280]

>>12261269
giant V for victory

[Anonymous No.12261286]

>>12261252
Holy shit only a year until they finally manage to launch a rocket built on shuttle tech they've had for 30 years!

[Anonymous No.12261289]

>>12261279
The extra mass will be inflatible habs so you're not stuck in a starship for months. Yeah starship is big but what if you could have access to a whole laboratory with rooms and an artificial gravity ring. It could be a shuttle that ferries starships out to desmos and brings empty cargo starships back to Earth

[Anonymous No.12261297]

>>12261286
Yeah about that, get ready for delays.

[Anonymous No.12261300]

>>12261289
Von Braun envisioned nuclear thermal ferries to Mars. We must not let his dream die wormbros

[Anonymous No.12261312]

>>12261300
Nerva is cool and I think it’ll be necessary for places like Jupiter/Saturn but I seriously think it’s not needed for Mars.

[Anonymous No.12261314]

>>12261279
With manned missions you really want to crank up the delta-V budget so you can do round trips between Earth and Mars within one launch window. Send the cargo on slow boats like Starship.

>>12261300
Nuclear electric beats nuclear thermal on Isp by multiple orders of magnitude. You just need a light enough reactor and a scalable enough thrust system (read: not fucking ion drive). Use something like pic+links related that gets ~1N/kW even without superconducting magnets and has much better Isp than solid core NTR and wire it up to a plain ass 20MWe reactor. There's 2kN of thrust with no practical Ve limit at ~4 tons of propellant a DAY.

https://physics.anu.edu.au/cpf/sp3/hdlt/
http://www.researchcareer.com.au/archived-news/testing-ground-set-for-plasma-jar-to-the-stars

[Anonymous No.12261315]

>>12260748
Electric "propulsion"

[Anonymous No.12261323]

>>12261314
Oh, and it can use water vapor or CO2 gas as propellant, so you don't need to spend gorillions of dollars on noble gases. Imagine NASA being able to sell the public on "hey let's bottle up all the CO2 and SEND IT TO SPACE" as a climate change gambit.

[Anonymous No.12261325]

>>12261312
Even a minimal NERVA Jupiter/Saturn manned mission would have a LEO mass of >1000 tons. For missions out there I think you almost have to have Orion-tier ISPs.

[Anonymous No.12261327]

>>12261323
Climate change is the fakest issue in the world

[Anonymous No.12261329]

>>12261327
Yes it is, but it's also rabidly believed in by the most anti-space segment of the population. Trolling them with their own delusions to fund proper plasma thruster R&D is justice.

[Anonymous No.12261331]

>>12259593
>I'd say it's more important for BO to get their engine ready, they're supposed to be selling it to third parties after all.
It's important for them to finish them, but since they are selling to ULA, beeing on time isn't THAT important for them.
Their only alternative would be to hire yet another oldspace company that takes even longer for 10x the money.
So no big deal, their rocket isn't ready anyway, so why hurry?
Meanwhile SpaceX needed Raptor ASAP to do the first Hopper and go through enough itterations to get it to work well enough for the longer and longer flights like the upcoming 20 km hop.

[Anonymous No.12261336]

>>12261327
I mean I could see NASA selling this to the general public. Plus most (if not all) petroleum companies are beginning to shift to carbon capture and storage. It will be a huge industry in a few decades, if not earlier, and that means they would process the CO2 for you and be able to sell it directly.

[Anonymous No.12261338]

>>12261331
ULA is relying on government pork to survive and they have a limited amount of RD's left. SpaceX haven't started selling Starship launches yet, have they?

[Anonymous No.12261339]

>>12259982
No, that's SLS.

[Anonymous No.12261341]

>>12261331
>beeing
STOOPID STOOPID

[Anonymous No.12261342]

>>12260895
DOOMERS BTFO

[Anonymous No.12261344]

>two raptors departed from pad
hmmm idk about you guys, but i'm thinking not a successful static fire lolol

[Anonymous No.12261346]

>>12261329
>elon
>right of center

[Anonymous No.12261349]

>>12261314
You seem to know way more about this than me. Can you help me interpret this- as in, is this even realistic? What the fuck is a "gain"? Also 1,000 kW seems like a fucking meme. Doesn't the ISS generate like at max 90kW with those big ass panels? Could you somehow tap the power of your fusion reaction from the engine?

[Anonymous No.12261350]

>>12261346
It’s not a logical possibility to be a capitalist billionaire and not be right wing.

[Anonymous No.12261351]

>>12261346
woke is synonymous with leftism because actual sensible leftists didn't drive the woke cretins out

[Anonymous No.12261353]

>>12261331
Why don't ULA just buy Raptors?

[Anonymous No.12261355]

>>12261344
One raptor was removed from the vehicle. The one they brought out in the van was also taken back for some reason.

[Anonymous No.12261356]

>>12261350
>he still thinks "wings" are real and matter
I didn't expect 30IQ takes on /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12261359]

>>12261351
>actual sensible leftists

[Anonymous No.12261362]

>>12261356
starship has wings and they generate lift

[Anonymous No.12261363]

>>12261349
Fusion gain is the Q people keep talking about, energy out divided by energy in. Q > 1 is necessary for a fusion power plant. The baseline variant requires Q = 20 so the assumption is you'll be getting most of your power from the reactions themselves, probably with a capacitor bank for that first shot from a cold start. Given those gain assumptions, it's a very realistic design.

[Anonymous No.12261364]

>>12261359
communists are wrong and communism is a failed ideology but at least stalin put trannies in camps

[Anonymous No.12261368]

>>12261289
>Yeah starship is big but what if you could have access to a whole laboratory with rooms and an artificial gravity ring
It would be much more expensive.

[Anonymous No.12261369]

>>12261252

>Send a mobile launcher (without a rocket) to a lauchpad

That'll be $2,000,000,000 plus tip.

[Anonymous No.12261374]

>>12261368
>It would be much more expensive.
It would also reduce microgravity driven atrophy so your astronauts could do more useful work on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12261375]

>>12261338
I know, so they will buy BE engines no matter what as they have ZERO other options for methalox engines as SpaceX certainly isn't going to sell them any and that would be a PR nightmare.
And it's not like Jeff has an issue with ULA doing worse...

[Anonymous No.12261377]

>>12261374
Just spin Starships lol

[Anonymous No.12261378]

>>12261363
https://youtu.be/tHSOmOu61b0
This is the best video I found on it. Only problem I could imagine would be designing a way to get your "pellet" to shoot out and have it be a predictable size so each pulse gives you equal thrust
https://youtu.be/FIz_X5J_w_E
Also someone's KSP build of the thing

[Anonymous No.12261381]

>>12261341
English isn't my first language, so excuse some spelling and grammar misstakes.
>>12261353
That's admitting defeat.

[Anonymous No.12261384]

>>12261342
maybe not. The raptor (apparenlty SN39) seemed to go back under/behind SN8 but from what I can tell never went back up. And now we have pictures of aforementioned SN39 and a newly arrived raptor (SN36) both on a flatbed... to be moved to the production site together? https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1319359687486328833

I don't fucking know. Best to just wait for official word.

>>12261346
deviating from lib dogma is "right" these days, even if by all other accounts you're a bleeding heart leftist. Ironically, clamping down on thought like this is a traditionally conservative behavior. At a fundamental level the parties are switching. See: it being libs and only libs putting forth that idiotic argument that we shouldn't spend on space until our problems down here are fixed.

[Anonymous No.12261383]

>>12261377
9m is too small for axial spin gravity so you'd have to tether them and tumbling-pigeon them in pairs.

>>12261378
>Only problem I could imagine would be designing a way to get your "pellet" to shoot out and have it be a predictable size so each pulse gives you equal thrust
They're literally premade pellets wrapped in lithium foil. That's a job for your ground team on Earth.

[Anonymous No.12261387]

>>12261368
Not really though. With the proposed launch price of Starship you could build it pretty quickly for pretty cheap. the main engine assembly could be done in two launches. Then just send up SNC habs and a rotating ring. Plus you would really only need one ferry, maybe three or four eventually. If it cuts down your travel time, propellant needs, and gives you the ability to have gravity it's a much better option than the tether meme

[Anonymous No.12261391]

>>12261349
>>12261363
>Q > 1 is necessary for a fusion power plant
Actually that's in the ideal case where energy conversion ratios are 100% efficient. Q = 1 just means your plasma produces a megawatt of energy if you put in a megawatt of thermal and electrical power. With conversion losses included, to achieve break-even fusion (ie a reactor that can power itself perpetually if fed fuel), you need a Q factor between 3 and 5. If you have Q>5 you can do fusion rocket engines, with low thrust but high Isp. The higher the Q factor you can achieve beyond 5, the higher the thrust you can get by increasing mass flow, but the Isp stays about the same. A duel phase fusion rocket engine with a really high Q factor could use excess power generated by the fusion process to power electrical systems that let you microwave your exhaust plasma to even higher temperatures; basically you feed the plasma more of its own energy and achieve higher temperatures, increasing Isp.

Anyway, what the other guy was talking about was an electric plasma engine, not a fusion engine. You'd power it using a megawatt scale thin-film solar array, not nuclear power, because nuclear power can't achieve an electrical power to mass ratio superior to that of solar until you're out beyond Jupiter.

[Anonymous No.12261392]

RIP braaaptor....puts us back at least another week for static fire campaign. Fix your shit Elon

[Anonymous No.12261401]

>>12261391
Hmm so if you had an unlimited budget and were told to build some sort of ferry with a big ass engine on the back, what would you use? You have to use tech that would allow us to build it right now.

[Anonymous No.12261402]

>>12261392
Source?

[Anonymous No.12261403]

>>12261252
But will it include a static fire test?

[Anonymous No.12261410]

>>12261402
They carried SN39 away on the flatbed, NSF forum

[Anonymous No.12261411]

>>12261401
>some sort of ferry
How large are we talking about here? For a small crew mover I'd do something like pic related with CO2 HDLTs instead of Xenon thrusters. For something bigger, I'd use Pratt&Whitney's Triton trimodal design, fed with methane instead of LH2, and paired with HDLTs instead of ion thrusters.
>LANTR
>NTR
>electric power Brayton cycle

[Anonymous No.12261421]

>>12261391
That's not entirely correct, if you have Q=1, you have 2 MW (mostly) thermal output for every 1 MW of power input.
So if you manage to convert that thermal output into electricity at an efficiency of greater than 50%, you're producing power.
Given that the hot side of the thermal machine practicly is only limited by the boilers melting point, it could actualy reach that kind of efficiency, even if it is in several stages.

[Anonymous No.12261425]

>>12261403
The team at NASA and Boeing are confident they can reach that milestone by early 2024

[Anonymous No.12261432]

Which one was it?

[Anonymous No.12261435]

ETA until nosecone?

[Anonymous No.12261444]

>>12261387
All that shit is more expensive than just sending Starships.
Why would any of that stuff you said cut down on travel time or propellant needs?

[Anonymous No.12261446]

Does anyone else like watching these old shuttle crew recap videos? I think they're comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYeoh_ekyVs&ab_channel=InternationalAstronauticalFederation

[Anonymous No.12261450]

>>12261351
>actual sensible leftists

Lol.
I’ll concede the Soviets were pretty badass, because it was basically just the Russian empire in disguise.

[Anonymous No.12261454]

>>12261374
Muscle atrophy is a solved issue.

[Anonymous No.12261456]

>>12259532
Can't believe no one has said "in the blue balls" yet.

[Anonymous No.12261459]

>>12261432
I thought the bottom right one looked a bit bent in the bell when he first posted this

[Anonymous No.12261460]

>>12261432
POV: starship is about to sit on you

[Anonymous No.12261465]

>>12261460
Wet Ass Raptor.

[Anonymous No.12261467]

>>12261446
nerd

[Anonymous No.12261469]

>>12261141
even though you were BTFO, here's space shuttle challenger

[Anonymous No.12261474]

>>12261401
I would buy a fleet of Starships

[Anonymous No.12261475]

>>12260826
Why is this so funny to me?

[Anonymous No.12261477]

>>12261446
This one is uber comfy
https://youtu.be/SNSnt_tO7Oo

[Anonymous No.12261479]

>>12261421
>So if you manage to convert that thermal output into electricity at an efficiency of greater than 50%, you're producing power.
Enjoy your million square meters of ten kelvin radiators I guess

[Anonymous No.12261480]

>>12261475
The core stage has a TWR under 1 so this would actually have less thrust than the actual SLS and be unable to fly.

[Anonymous No.12261483]

>>12261454
This, and so is bone atrophy. The solution is powerlifting for half an hour instead of ten million hours of cardio.

[Anonymous No.12261485]

>>12261477
>>12261446
Thanks, I will now watch all of these.

[Anonymous No.12261487]

>>12261480
>It's actually moving ass-first in that picture after being air dropped by this thing

[Anonymous No.12261489]

>>12261487
>six engine 1000 seat flying jet boat trimaran
Who do I have to kill to fund this thing?

[Anonymous No.12261496]

>>12261483
>>12261454
The only real remaining issue is the circulatory system, but it seems totally manageable for <1 year long missions. Even then for all we know 0.1g would be enough to eliminate the issue so even a slowly rotating habitat may be enough to completely solve the issue. If we ever get back to the fucking moon then we'll know for sure.

[Anonymous No.12261498]

>>12261487
Either that has three cockpits because the artist was lazy, or much cooler, it has a central cockpit and then two PANORAMIC SKYLOUNGES, one on each outrigger

[Anonymous No.12261503]

>>12261479
With an aluminium oxide boiler, you can reach go well beyond 2000 Kelvin on the hot side, in space you can reasonably archive 200 Kelvin on the cold side.
That would result in a Carnot efficiency of 90%.
Real efficiency is obviously not anywhere near as good as that, but getting 50% wouldn't exactly be impossible.

Combined cycle powerplants for example allready reach 63% thermal efficiency with a much higher temperature at the cold side.

[Anonymous No.12261504]

>>12261129
Damn. Those problems back then were a huge wrench in those projects

[Anonymous No.12261514]

>>12261496
>The only real remaining issue is the circulatory system, but it seems totally manageable for <1 year long missions.

Doesn’t even matter once you get to Mars. It’s only 6-8 months to get there.

[Anonymous No.12261517]

>>12261514
I agree that's its not a major issue, but it would be nice if half of your colonists didn't show up with impaired vision. If the issue doesn't get addressed it doesn't mean we have to stop colonization, but it is something to hopefully figure out once we've got regular flights going.

[Anonymous No.12261524]

https://youtu.be/c5Mir9LC3PY

HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.12261527]

>>12261524
>happening
more like scrubbed because of a little breeze

[Anonymous No.12261532]

>>12261524
ITS HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.12261548]

>>12261524
THANK YOU PAYPIGGIES

[Anonymous No.12261550]

>>12261346
It means economically liberal you dumb fuck. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.12261552]

>>12261446
>giant piss icicle growing out of the side of the orbiter
holy shit

[Anonymous No.12261554]

>>12260041
They use pic related, I'm not even joking

[Anonymous No.12261556]

so, when big jim gets fired from nasa, will elon hire him as a liaison person for spacex with nasa?

[Anonymous No.12261557]

>>12261524
>2 hours of a crane sitting in place
>happening
And yet I can't turn it off just in case it moves an inch

[Anonymous No.12261559]

>>12261548
Honestly I don't blame them for making money of streams, good way to ensure a quality stream and constant coverage. at least they aren't doing a "members only" stream and their commentary can be muted if needed.

[Anonymous No.12261566]

>>12261557
I wonder how many suicidal millenials now have something to look forward to just because of Musk

[Anonymous No.12261567]

>>12261556
Thats a step down for him probably.

[Anonymous No.12261578]

>>12261554
they're using raspberry pi, idiot

[Anonymous No.12261585]

Shotwell's notes

[Anonymous No.12261586]

>>12261578
Only for the cam. For everything else it's a Naze32 from Aliexpress

[Anonymous No.12261593]

>>12261585
https://youtu.be/CogwACFEzFU?t=1474

~25 minutes into the vid

[Anonymous No.12261594]

>>12261585
oooh, starship trash collector version

[Anonymous No.12261598]

>>12260826
Extraordinarily accursed.

[Anonymous No.12261605]

MOVE YOU FUCK

[Anonymous No.12261620]

Axiom has successfully completed the System Requirements Review for Axiom Station and our first spacecraft module. This review with NASA marks the next major milestone on the road to the world's first commercial space station.

>We are on to the primary design phase.
https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1319354840946966529

[Anonymous No.12261621]

>>12261594
That's pretty much the first step to real life anime version of Planetes.

[Anonymous No.12261622]

>>12260092
If this nigger has a good amount of sources within the administration, why hasn't he said anything about the relationship between Jim and Trump? If there were any issues, we would have heard something by now. Trump doesn't replace people unless he has an issue with them, or they themselves voluntarily step down.

[Anonymous No.12261628]

>>12261585
>nooo don’t help our country’s military

What sort of traitor thinks like this?

[Anonymous No.12261631]

>>12261628
libs hate military

[Anonymous No.12261634]

>>12261585
is shotwell /ourguy/? she seems competent, and only does minimal lip service to the touchy issues to keep the retards at bay

[Anonymous No.12261636]

>>12261631
Why?
Too masculine for them?

[Anonymous No.12261638]

>The reason why going up is hard is because of gravity pulling the rocket down.
Sideways component has no such problem. You can reach any sideways velocity (ignoring speeds approaching speed of light) with relative ease since literally any applied force results in acceleration, and there's no opposing force to cause deceleration.
So orbital velocity is really unimportant. Orbit is full of satelites - there's nothing impressive about their orbital speed, the only impressive part is getting them up there.

/biz/ has some wild takes, this guy was trying to justify his investment in virgin galactic lol

[Anonymous No.12261639]

>>12261634
She's /ourmommy/

[Anonymous No.12261643]

>>12261634
I think she even refused some feminist award a while back, really Based.
I read that here, no source, anybody have it?

[Anonymous No.12261642]

>>12261636
They think its too much money spent on military and not enough on social injustices. A zero-sum game to them. They don't realize there's a bigger picture, our military is great for our economy and our economy allows us to combat social injustices. Weak economy cannot do much. Weak military cannot protect our economy.

[Anonymous No.12261648]

>>12261585
>Starchomper space trash division
Gonna be fucking KINO

[Anonymous No.12261652]

Redpill me on the header tanks in Starship.
What are they for?

[Anonymous No.12261654]

>>12261642
>They think its too much money spent on military and not enough on social injustices

lol. The strength of the US military is what prevents international conflicts abroad and keeps Russia and China from constructing a bigger hegemony than they already have.

[Anonymous No.12261655]

>>12261652
Landing and only landing. They're also safe from boil off thanks to having extra insulation just from the fact that they're their own tanks inside of Starship.

[Anonymous No.12261656]

>>12261652
landing reserve fuel

[Anonymous No.12261665]

>>12261628
Wasn’t there a poll that showed most SpaceX employees are Bernie-bro’s?

[Anonymous No.12261671]

>>12261654
A lot of libs unironcially would rather live under President Xi than trump

[Anonymous No.12261674]

>>12261654
Unfortunately(or fortunately) there's a current undercurrent of isolationism with regards to global geopolitics within the younger generations. I suspect this is due to lack of understanding of whats really happening in the world. The younger people are not exposed to the evils of communism and the totalitarian government. All they instead see is cheap clothes/electronics. I fear that in 10-20 years, the people might want to kow tow to China instead of fight back if they decide to attack on Taiwan/India/Japan.

[Anonymous No.12261675]

>>12261671
Xi woulf put them to camps for degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.12261677]

>>12261675
More likely they'll be used as propaganda mouthpieces to change western perception.

[Anonymous No.12261683]

We need a nuclear powered mini ship that can go from LEO/ISS to Moon/Gateway.

It will never go down to surface for efficiency's sake.

[Anonymous No.12261685]

>>12261677
Can't keep public perception of CCP with trannies, pedos, faggots and niggers.

[Anonymous No.12261687]

>>12261677
That's what they're doing now though.

[Anonymous No.12261688]

>>12261671
No they wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.12261693]

>>12261674
The Chinese putting Muslims in cages or some shit is probably the west’s best bet to cater to Zoomers into fighting china

[Anonymous No.12261696]

>>12261683
I've seen some anons in the past argue that crewed Starship would be something like that if NASA is scared of bellyflopping with humans on board.
So the plan would be:
Dragon to orbit and dock with Starship

[Anonymous No.12261697]

>>12261683
>Delta Flyer
Know what else happens in the Delta quadrant?

[Anonymous No.12261699]

>>12261665
Bernie-outs. You'd think they'd know better than to expect solutions to come from senile boomers.

[Anonymous No.12261702]

>>12261688
I see you’ve never talked to a ChapoCel

[Anonymous No.12261703]

>>12261683
>nuclear cislunar ships
The military requested proposals from businesses for this very thing earlier this year.

[Anonymous No.12261710]

>>12261432
>Are you looking up my skirt Anon?

[Anonymous No.12261719]

>>12261620
Sounds like they're doing this very by the book. SMAD, in particular.

[Anonymous No.12261721]

>>12261696
I assume they will take orion straight to gateway, starship will launch autonomously to gateway, and once that's over with they will reuse starship over and over again on the moon and astronauts will take orion back to Earth

[Anonymous No.12261728]

>>12261703
And those only make sense if you have DEPOTS.

[Anonymous No.12261732]

>>12261696
Lunar Starship would never do Earth reentry anyway, it's going to live either in space or on the Moon permanently.

[Anonymous No.12261733]

>>12261721
The versatility of starship makes me horny.

[Anonymous No.12261734]

Where do you go from sugar rockets?

[Anonymous No.12261739]

>>12261593
Interviewer looks like a prep school version of MC Ride.

[Anonymous No.12261742]

What kind of price do you guys think liquid oxygen could fetch per ton in LEO?

[Anonymous No.12261752]

>>12261742
That depends entirely on demand. Right now it's worthless.

[Anonymous No.12261753]

>>12261742
about three fiddy

[Anonymous No.12261755]

>>12261742
$2-$10M

[Anonymous No.12261757]

>>12261733
I mean it's kind of funny because Starship could in theory launch with astronauts, land on the moon, and return to Earth. Like imagine telling von braun in the 60's that the LEM could be your rocket, your lander, AND your return vehicle. He would go all freundschaftsbeziehungen on you with your bearings of amazing news

[Anonymous No.12261760]

>>12261734
According to this general, CIF3.

[Anonymous No.12261762]

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1319396588293222400
This will be kino as fuck

[Anonymous No.12261768]

>>12261734
Lightcrafts

[Anonymous No.12261772]

>>12261742
whatever the cost for transportation to LEO is plus some nominal fee

[Anonymous No.12261777]

>>12261762
All you fucking virgin assholes calling alcohol "degenerate" just got BTFO

[Anonymous No.12261778]

>>12261734
Ethanol

[Anonymous No.12261782]

>>12261671
China would kill them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

[Anonymous No.12261788]

>>12261734
Adhesive tape upper stages.

[Anonymous No.12261789]

>>12261777

[Anonymous No.12261790]

>>12261777
>alcohol
>degenerate
Alcohol has been a part of spaceflight since the beginning.

[Anonymous No.12261792]

>>12261782
What the fuck? This is absolutely based. I think I actually, unironically, have started liking China recently. I don't romanticize them or anything- and there are certainly a ton of degenerates- but people like Xi seem pretty based

[Anonymous No.12261796]

>>12261734
rubber and nitrous

[Anonymous No.12261800]

>>12261789
A long time ago there was an argument in this general about alcohol in space. How to transport it, how fun it would be to make it on Mars, the easiest type to make, using it for rocket fuel etc. There was a small but loud minority who were convinced that alcohol in all conceptual forms was degenerate and that smart people like Musk would not allow alcohol on Mars
>>12261790
Wasn't there an early Soyuz mission that had an anomaly and when the astronauts got out they gave them vodka and a cigarette to calm their nerves?

[Anonymous No.12261810]

>>12261790
Lmao it looks like the same cameraman booked it to london to capture the aftermath

[Anonymous No.12261811]

>>12261800
>A long time ago there was an argument in this general about alcohol in space. How to transport it, how fun it would be to make it on Mars, the easiest type to make, using it for rocket fuel etc. There was a small but loud minority who were convinced that alcohol in all conceptual forms was degenerate and that smart people like Musk would not allow alcohol on Mars
What fa bunch of fags. Vodka fermented from algae will be a Mars classic.

[Anonymous No.12261818]

>>12261559
it's not a quality stream with their shit commentary and superchats. they should at least provide a parallel stream with ambient audio and no commentary

[Anonymous No.12261829]

>>12261734
APCP

[Anonymous No.12261831]

>>12261790
If I ever make it to Mars, I'll be doing experiments with both fermentation and distillation in a shed. I know column stills.

[Anonymous No.12261834]

>>12261818
just mute their audio and play some construction and wind noises in another tab

[Anonymous No.12261835]

>>12261800
>>12261811
Not necessarily fags. Alcohol is for degenerates in general. The less you drink, the less degenerate you become

[Anonymous No.12261837]

>>12261760
Only nice ions

[Anonymous No.12261842]

>>12261835
>not drinking your lunar booze responsibly

[Anonymous No.12261845]

andre you nut haha

[Anonymous No.12261851]

shieet my steam was like 20 mins behind for some reason

[Anonymous No.12261853]

>>12261834
the only acceptable construction noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng5NA-j7y7A

[Anonymous No.12261856]

>>12261811
Booze is the easiest luxury you can make though.

[Anonymous No.12261864]

>>12261777
alcohol is degenerate tho

[Anonymous No.12261866]

>>12261853
based based BASED

[Anonymous No.12261875]

>>12261818

Just mute and listen to this in the background: https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/

[Anonymous No.12261881]

>>12261762
Imagine being one of the choosen few, but being so lonely that you end up drinking all the way to Mars

[Anonymous No.12261893]

>>12261881
>being so lonely that you end up drinking
Describes my life. Where do I sign up?

[Anonymous No.12261902]

>>12261628
What sort of traitor supports our military which is only ever deployed for Israel?

[Anonymous No.12261910]

reminder

[Anonymous No.12261911]

>>12261893
They should pair you up with a GF instead

[Anonymous No.12261912]

>>12261585
Warmongering cunt

[Anonymous No.12261915]

>>12261910
What is this for again?

[Anonymous No.12261917]

>>12261912
sneed

[Anonymous No.12261918]

>>12261697
>Neelix is not only a pedo but also racist
lmao

[Anonymous No.12261919]

>>12261915
looks like the gateway supply contract

[Anonymous No.12261923]

>>12261917
Kike

[Anonymous No.12261924]

>>12261762
>name tbd
i propose "gayniggers from outer space", to pay homage to a classic work of science fiction, in line with elon's naming practices

[Anonymous No.12261925]

>>12261910
>boeing
>lowest suitability
i think they meant 4th highest? lmao

[Anonymous No.12261928]

>>12261915
I can't find the exact document, but it's for evaluating who would provide for the Gateway Logistics Services.

[Anonymous No.12261932]

>>12261910
I bet they suggested they launch cargo on the fucking SLS or something.

[Anonymous No.12261936]

>>12261923
daed arab

[Anonymous No.12261937]

>>12261910
Would SNC have been flying the dreamchaser out to the moon for this?

[Anonymous No.12261938]

>>12261912
I've seen this type of plot in movies so many times

[Anonymous No.12261942]

>>12261634
I think I am in love with her bros. I dream about her sometimes. She's so smart and beautiful.

[Anonymous No.12261944]

IT'S ACTUALLY HABBENING

[Anonymous No.12261945]

>>12261932
better than flying people i guess

[Anonymous No.12261947]

>>12261945
Yeah, but not at $2bn a pop.

[Anonymous No.12261949]

>>12261944
L I N K

[Anonymous No.12261950]

[Anonymous No.12261951]

>>12261949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

[Anonymous No.12261952]

>>12261944
no, bro. turn the stream off bro. you already gave nsf your life savings. this is a disease, addiction is a disease, i will support you any way i can. i love you anon

[Anonymous No.12261954]

>>12261952
>Watching NSF giggle like little girls at terrible jokes when you can just have LabPadre on mute 24/7

[Anonymous No.12261956]

>>12261777
Men who drink heavily are more likely to experience:

erectile dysfunction
low testosterone levels
low libido

It’s thought chronic alcohol misuse damages the Leydig cells in your testes, which are responsible for testosterone production. Alcohol may also interfere with the release of LH, FSH, and GnRH.

[Anonymous No.12261957]

>>12261947
>killing astronauts at $2billion a pop
>just oldspace things

[Anonymous No.12261959]

>>12261950
S

T

A

C

C

[Anonymous No.12261962]

STACK STACK STACK

[Anonymous No.12261963]

>>12261959
S T A C C

[Anonymous No.12261964]

kino

[Anonymous No.12261966]

>>12261951
This deserves gregorian chant in the background or some shit

[Anonymous No.12261970]

oh fuck it's swaying a little

[Anonymous No.12261972]

Inb4 stack scrub

[Anonymous No.12261973]

IT'S STACKENING

[Anonymous No.12261974]

ITS ACTUALLY HAPPENING WHAT DO WE DO BOEINGBROS?

[Anonymous No.12261975]

[Anonymous No.12261977]

>>12261974
Sharpshooters are already standing by.

[Anonymous No.12261978]

>>12261956
>chronic alcohol misuse damages the Leydig cells in your testes, which are responsible for testosterone production
You're talking drinking heavily every day for months on end to get to this level of damage

[Anonymous No.12261981]

why is america so great and so bad at the same time?

[Anonymous No.12261984]

WE'RE SO CLOSE

[Anonymous No.12261985]

>>12261981
FREEDOM

[Anonymous No.12261987]

>>12261981
Freedom to succeed, freedom to be a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.12261988]

>>12261956
>erectile dysfunction
>low testosterone levels
>low libido
Finally some peace and quiet

[Anonymous No.12261989]

>>12261981
The American people are great but the American government is run by lizards

[Anonymous No.12261990]

>>12261981
Progress rarely happens in the absence of adversity

[Anonymous No.12261992]

I swear to god if they don't fold the fucking fins out the instant they get it stacked I'm gonna be putting in an order to ULA.

[Anonymous No.12261994]

>IT'S ALL COMIN' UP MILLHOUSE

[Anonymous No.12261996]

>>12261856
Weed is pretty fucking trivial to grow and a Mars colony will have nothing if not hydroponics

[Anonymous No.12261997]

>>12261981
Great because guns

Bad because jews

[Anonymous No.12261999]

could still be a scrub, don't get your hopes up

[Anonymous No.12262005]

S T A C C

[Anonymous No.12262010]

[Anonymous No.12262011]

>>12261999
DID SOMEBODY SAY SCRUB

[Anonymous No.12262012]

>>12261999
>>12261984
>>12261970
>>12261964
>>12261963
>>12261962

these images are more powerful than i could have ever imagined

[Anonymous No.12262015]

starship is long

[Anonymous No.12262016]

>>12261585
I want to marry Shotwell she is such a cool person

[Anonymous No.12262017]

>>12262012
Just wait until Elon tweets out an up close photo by the end of the night. You know he's gonna.

[Anonymous No.12262021]

>>12262012
They're powerful because they show progress in an era of stagnation.

[Anonymous No.12262033]

>>12261951

[Anonymous No.12262035]

CLOSE THE FUCKING GAP ELON

[Anonymous No.12262036]

>>12262033
kek

[Anonymous No.12262038]

Welder here, reckon if I show up to boca on a tourist visa I can get then to hire me and green card me. I'm white btw.

[Anonymous No.12262045]

>>12262010
Ok no way that thing fits 100 people to Mars. 20-30 maybe.

[Anonymous No.12262046]

it looks so fucking precious, i really hope it doesn't get destroyed during first flight lol

[Anonymous No.12262048]

So how far can starship go without superheavy? Can it make it to leo?

[Anonymous No.12262049]

>>12262038
Can't be much worse than the mexicans currently working on it.

[Anonymous No.12262050]

>>12262045
18m version will.

[Anonymous No.12262051]

>>12262045
anything over 12 would be overkill for the first landing

[Anonymous No.12262052]

>>12262045
Yeah I've trying saying that for some time. It's a literal fucking stardineship even with 20-30.

[Anonymous No.12262055]

>>12262045
100 was ITS, ~30 has been the assumed number for a long time now.

[Anonymous No.12262057]

THE GAP HAS BEEN CLOSED!
WE HAVE STACK!

[Anonymous No.12262058]

>>12262048
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1076613555091234816

[Anonymous No.12262060]

>>12262045
You're underestimating both the size of that nosecone and also the efficiency of volume in zero g. Granted I doubt they'll ever do 100 for anything more than Earth to Earth flights, but it is way more spacious than it looks. 30 seems more reasonable for early colonization flights though.

[Anonymous No.12262062]

>>12262045
>>12262052
>>12262055
Its fucking huge, look at the people next to it. I did a few scribble plans a while back and you can absolutely fit ~100 coffin hotel style single bunk rooms in there with three decks to spare.

[Anonymous No.12262063]

>>12262057
YOU FOOLS! IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WATER TOWER!

[Anonymous No.12262067]

>>12262062
>~100 coffin hotel style single bunk rooms
Yeah ok, now fit food and everything else these people need, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.12262068]

>>12262062
>single bunk rooms
You don't even need bunks, look at the "bedrooms" on the ISS. It's literally just big enough to "stand" in and tape a laptop to the wall in front of you.

[Anonymous No.12262069]

>>12262062
That's the thing, nobody wants to sit in a coffin for 3-6 months in the middle of space.

[Anonymous No.12262073]

>>12261928
What I want to see is a Dragon3/SuperDragon which is basically a dragon capsule but instead of the hollow trunk it's got a pressurized cargo, propulsion and power section somewhat like a bigger cygnus. Instead of the superdracos drawing propellants from tanks inside the capsule though they draw them from tanks at the rear of the vehicle, making the capsule section more spacious. The superdracos could then fire in the puller configuration providing all of the propulsion it needs, no new engines required. It would be a logical evolution of Dragon2 which is already it's own completely autonomous spacecraft, except this vehicle would not be reentering the atmosphere, it would be used for stuff like shuttling large crews or cargo around LEO or from LEO to LOPG.
It would be roughly 25-30 tons with 10-15 of those tons given over to cargo, maybe 4x16m in dimension with close to 60m^3 of fully pressurized internal volume and it ought to be designed extremely robust with a multi-year lifespan before any significant maintenance.
For projects too big for oldspace but too small to justify a Starship, or to serve as the core and propulsion system for new private space stations or other composite space vehicles, and really just to expand the functions of Falcon Heavy to justify it's existence.

[Anonymous No.12262074]

Senator Shelby, the time has come. Initiate nationalization order 66.

[Anonymous No.12262075]

>>12262062
Now throw in life support and storage.
The kino solution is to understock them and just send more at once and fill the sky with simultaneous burns.

[Anonymous No.12262078]

>>12262062
>but...but....muh colonial cruiseline
honestly everyone bitching about being packed tight should look at history. it isnt a colonization effort until people are dying during the journey from dysentery

[Anonymous No.12262079]

so when is Elon's space X presentation? Is it going to happen before or after FLOP?

[Anonymous No.12262083]

page 10 someone make a new thread

[Anonymous No.12262085]

new
>>12262082
>>12262082
>>12262082

[Anonymous No.12262086]

>>12262050
>18m version will.
There's no chance in hell a 18m version would survive reentry

[Anonymous No.12262091]

>>12262069
boo fuckin hoo, did the pilgrims enjoy wallowing in shit for months on end???

[Anonymous No.12262098]

>>12262086
??

[Anonymous No.12262109]

>>12262067
Fatten them up before they go and have them fast for three months, no food supplies needed. Recycle water.

>>12262069
Ngmi urfer

[Anonymous No.12262111]

>>12262109
Yeah, let them eat one another maybe? These aren't Chinese rockets, son.

[Anonymous No.12262121]

>>12262111
You can fast indefinitely so long as you have fat reserves retard, an extra 20kg or so a person would let them do three months without food. This isn't rocket science, people on /fit/ do it all the time.

[Anonymous No.12262128]

>>12262058
Cool so if it works it'd effectively be the first SSTO? Even if it's not used as such.

[Anonymous No.12262143]

>>12262128
No.

[Anonymous No.12262171]

>>12262143
What's the first then?

[Anonymous No.12262173]

>>12262171
This is not a SSTO by any fucking measure.

[Anonymous No.12262192]

"There are decades when nothing happens, and there are weeks when decades happen"

[Anonymous No.12262201]

I CAN'T HANDLE ALL THIS KINO

[Anonymous No.12262210]

OLD SPACE OLD SPACE WHAT YOU GONNA DO
WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN STARSHIP COMES FOR YOU

[Anonymous No.12262226]

>>12262173
I mean if it is capable of getting to orbit in a single stage doesn't that make it an SSTO?

[Anonymous No.12262230]

>>12262201
Chinese are convulsion trying to figure it out, Ivan is trying to cope, Boeing is trying the last knot on their noose, Jeff is writing a black lives matter manifesto to distract attention away, Korea has given up and will not even try to go for reusable landers, Ariane is envious but is at least trying to catch up, India is taking notes, UAE is counting their money trying to see what they can put in the payload fairing... am I missing anyone?

[Anonymous No.12262246]

>>12262230
RocketLab took Elon's "shipping containers with outboard motors" joke literally, and is transitioning to sell Photon as an outboard motor for your Starship launched payloads.

[Anonymous No.12262253]

>>12262246
Lmao peter beck is honestly in a gray area between "yeah I'm fucked" and "it is what it is". He knows the writing on the wall is there but he is at least doing what he loves. I have respect for him

[Anonymous No.12262269]

>>12262253
Moving from rockets to payload servicing with Photon is infinitely more of an actual business plan than anyone else has. I'd buy RocketLab stock if it was public. What's ULA's plan, ignore Starship and hope it goes away?

[Anonymous No.12262272]

>>12262226
It's not. Fully loaded it has less thrust than mass.
It has roughly 2.7 million pounds of thrust and weighs roughly 2.9 million pounds fully fueled. They can't use the vacuum raptors to lift with.

[Anonymous No.12262276]

>>12262272
just put some SRBs on it

[Anonymous No.12262279]

>>12262272
>they can't use the vacuum Raptors to lift
But we've seen them firing at sea level and they don't do any worse a job of it than the RS-25.

[Anonymous No.12262280]

>>12262276
How about you stick some SRBs on yourself and fire yourself into the sun?

[Anonymous No.12262290]

>>12262276
that makes it not an SSTO and kinda defeats the purpose because refueling and refurbishing Superheavy is going to be way cheaper than two 5 segment solids

yes, that does mean SLS could fit on top of Superheavy and that it would work better than conventional SLS

[Anonymous No.12262291]

>>12262279
>We've seen it on a test stand
>That's totally the same as it lifting a rocket

[Anonymous No.12262294]

>>12262272
I'm not talking about what they currently have on the pad. I'm talking about the actual completed Starship vehicle. Elon claims it will be able to get to LEO alone, albeit with no payload.

[Anonymous No.12262295]

>>12262291
>the nozzle knows the difference between pushing against a concrete wall and pushing against the bottom of a rocket
forces experienced by the nozzle shouldn't be different

[Anonymous No.12262297]

>>12262295
The time it runs will be different.

[Anonymous No.12262301]

>>12262290
>that makes it not an SSTO
just don't drop the empty boosters, bam it's a SSTO

[Anonymous No.12262303]

>>12262297
as it runs the Starship will rise through the atmosphere, decreasing the excess forces from overexpansion suffered at sealevel

[Anonymous No.12262311]

>>12262303
Congratulations, you understand expansion. You do not however seem to understand the difference between a short run on a bench and full launch though.

[Anonymous No.12262345]

>>12261483
>>12261496
This. Even a ring producing like 0.05 Gs will probably be enough, as there will be a "down" for the blood to go.

[Anonymous No.12262390]

>>12262311
>Rapvac hasn't demonstrated a full length firing
Valid
>therefore Rapvac can't be used for a Starship to take off without Superheavy
Does not follow from the first statement

[Anonymous No.12262444]

>>12262269
ULA's plan is basically to lobby their way into government contracts, typically by amending the launch requirements to fit some obscure niche that SpaceX can't cover. (Vertical payload integration, strange orbits, and "reliability") But SpaceX is onto them, building their own vertical payload structure and hiring an army of lobbyists to fight them. Starship is being totally ignored by everyone, the hope being that its landing sequence doesn't work. They might be right, as the whole "belly flop until within the sound barrier, then flip 90 degrees and hope to god your engines relight" strategy is untested and very dangerous looking.

[Anonymous No.12262483]

>>12262444
>the hope might be that the landing sequence doesn't work
Use gimballed Raptors to flip over at 10km, fall ass first and hover slam. Less efficient than the aerodynamic belly flop but it should be easier.