There is no reason to wear a mask. Debate me. >protip: you can't

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Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:47:34 2020 No.12243056 [Reply] [Original]

There is no reason to wear a mask. Debate me.
>protip: you can't

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:51:41 2020 No.12243068 File: 45 KB, 828x822, wqqs0rw1ant41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:52:59 2020 No.12243073 >>12243068 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:53:08 2020 No.12243074 >>12243068 >no facts >no data >no RCTs >just an instagram cartoon The ABSOLUTE STATE of maskies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:54:11 2020 No.12243080 >>12243056 People only see half of my ugly face

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:57:11 2020 No.12243090 >>12243056 ITT: you can't win an argument with a fools prove me right t. OP

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:07:34 2020 No.12243120 >>12243056 http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:10:43 2020 No.12243135 >>12243129 of course not sweetie, thinking is soo hard

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:15:58 2020 No.12243161 >>12243148 Arguments like that are probably hot shit in pol, not here. Go back.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:24:03 2020 No.12243182 >>12243074 >>no facts >>no data >>12243129 >i can't be bothered to read facts or data see >>12243090 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:25:11 2020 No.12243187 >>12243056 Two reasons, you smell like shit and I want to avoid talking with you. What do I win?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:25:47 2020 No.12243189 >>12243182 HAHAHAHHAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS /unthread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:26:44 2020 No.12243194 >>12243120 http://markcrispinmiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/An-Evidence-Based-Scientific-Analysis-of-Why-Masks-are-Ineffective-Unnecessary-and-Harmful-10-12-2020.pdf BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:27:10 2020 No.12243195 >>12243120 https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&location=Germany&location=US

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:29:39 2020 No.12243201 >>12243194 >>12243195 Yeaah, based on results, I'm going with the German one.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:36:53 2020 No.12243219

>>12243056
My thing, is if you want to wear a mask it should be for all the pollutants in the air from fossil fuels.
To just BS around and COVID the situations is weird, it is sketchy in a biological attack kind of way, because you dont see the same energy had for people smoking anymore, personal choice, or abortion, personal choice.....so whats with the masks? why would a chick that gets an abortion because she fucked some random dudes, give a shit about you wearing a mask? The whole psychology of life is wacky.
In an oxygen deprivated kind of way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:37:34 2020 No.12243222 >>12243120 >economics, political science, economy statistician >no real medical or science expert on this study yea sure

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:39:11 2020 No.12243225 >>12243056 >it hides some of my ugly face >makes me less likely to get kicked out of places >makes me blend in a bit more 3 decent reasons right there

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:40:13 2020 No.12243228 >>12243219 >the pollutants in the air from fossil fuels. These regular masks that are worn against corona aren't gonna help you much with that. You need the one with the filters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:40:24 2020 No.12243230 Not wearing a mask is a total Chad move and makes chicks wet their panties.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:50:22 2020 No.12243262 >>12243056 To conform and avoid confrontation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:54:44 2020 No.12243281 >>12243068 Probability that this image came from a reputable source - %0

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:55:34 2020 No.12243285 >>12243056 To make your neighbor feel at ease, basically civic courtesy.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:57:45 2020 No.12243294

Why do you think surgeons wear masks, anon? The inside of the mask prevents the surgeon from coughing or drooling on the patient, whereas the outside of the mask protects the surgeon from ingesting blood or bacteria. The same applies to the surgical masks we wear now.

In Japan, people wear masks as part of their culture when they get sick, and it's something that was thought of as being unnecessary in the West for ages. But now, we're all wearing masks for the same reason. While the flu may not be as contagious as COVID-19, on a crowded train it makes no difference.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:59:57 2020 No.12243300 >>12243068 they had the opposite info graph at the start of this shit and the mask is rated for virus 3 time the size of covid. It does nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:00:59 2020 No.12243306 >>12243294 >we're all wearing masks speak for yourself cuck. They also don't have sick days in Asia so that is why they wear the mask because the are expected to work while sick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:07:25 2020 No.12243330 >>12243225 correct

>>	El Arcón Sat Oct 17 19:19:59 2020 No.12243359 >>12243056 >reason sometimes the store won't let you in

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:21:45 2020 No.12243366 >>12243306 >They don't have sick days in Asia You realise Asia is a continent and not a country, right? Even if you mean Japan, I'm sure there's legislation mandating sick days in some form. >This is the average IQ of /sci/

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:22:33 2020 No.12243371

>>12243300
>opposite info graph at the start of this shit
in January, before this shit got serious but we could see it on the horizon, the CDC came to the white house and warned we wouldn't have enough masks or tests for everybody and they NEEDED to use the defense production act. Trump and the White House responded to the CDC with (and I'm paraphrasing here) "don't worry, we have a plan for the mask shortage, we'll just tell everyone not to wear masks, and save them all for the doctors and important people"

Members of the CDC insisted telling people not to wear masks was a bad idea, and some insisted so much that THEY GOT FIRED for it. Remember, this was happening way back in January before we even had covid in the US. They were planning this shit this badly before it even began!! And yes, there are records of people being fired over this and lawsuits are playing out in the courts about it even as you read this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:34:08 2020 No.12243413 >>12243285 >>>12243056 (OP) >To make your neighbor feel at ease, basically civic courtesy. they are not a true neighbour if they support the foreign invasion. Until that is taken care of all those social mores go out the window

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:54:55 2020 No.12243459 >>12243219 >In an oxygen deprivated kind of way. Is your lung capacity 50ml

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:02:38 2020 No.12243478 >>12243366 this fag has never worked there. Go work there and try to call in sick. See how your boss reacts

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:21:41 2020 No.12243534 >>12243056 strangers giving you shit for not wearing it is a pretty good reason imo

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:33:58 2020 No.12243569 >>12243056 I can hide my ugly face without looking weird

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:41:24 2020 No.12243584 >>12243056 Kids are gonna grow up to be retarded adults because of oxygen deprivation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:43:54 2020 No.12243587 >>12243534 Why not just grow a spine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:44:49 2020 No.12243589 >>12243584 >source: my ass

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:45:53 2020 No.12243593 >>12243587 projection, the post

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:50:00 2020 No.12243601 >>12243589 No, but I'm glad you asked >https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/10/07/one-of-europes-leading-neurologists-claims-masks-are-dangerous-explains-why/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:51:36 2020 No.12243603 >>12243593 So despite having a spine, you are still afraid of strangers giving you shit? Perhaps you should grow a pair of balls then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:53:53 2020 No.12243606 >>12243601 Collective-Evolution is a woo-mongering clickbait website. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Collective_Evolution

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:54:44 2020 No.12243609 >>12243056 90% of the time I forget there's even this whole thing going on until I walk in a store

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:54:57 2020 No.12243610 File: 36 KB, 635x219, snowflake.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12243603 >triggered

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:02:05 2020 No.12243621

>>12243606
Look at her credentials.
https://www.topdoctors.co.uk/doctor/margareta-griesz-brisson
>Dr Margareta Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD, is one of Europe's leading consultant neurologists who is based on Harley Street in London. She is the Medical Director of The London Neurology & Pain Clinic, where she currently sees patients.

It's published on plenty other sites as well.
>https://geopolitic.org/2020/10/17/brain-damage-from-masks-cannot-be-reversed/

>https://theplantstrongclub.org/2020/10/09/covid-19-masks-are-a-crime-against-humanity-and-child-abuse-global-research-testimony-of-virologist-dr-margarite-griesz-brisson/

>https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/10/09/brain-damage-from-masks-cannot-be-reversed/

Here is the actual video of Dr Margareta Griesz Brisson explaining all of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ah0Ar3Xu8k

glad we sorted it out

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:02:52 2020 No.12243627 >>12243587 it's not about being afraid, but about preventing a conversation with idiots as much as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:03:38 2020 No.12243630 >>12243584 Either that or they grow stronger lungs

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:04:04 2020 No.12243631 >>12243610 >triggered by the guy who lets strangers tell him what to do sure...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:06:39 2020 No.12243636 >>12243630 At the expense of some brain cells. Kids have developmental windows in their brains that if they miss, they are gonna suffer the consequences for the rest of their lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:07:41 2020 No.12243640 >>12243627 I usually do that by ignoring people. No mask required.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:13:02 2020 No.12243651 >>12243621 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Margareta+Griesz-Brisson nothing but a quack

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:14:19 2020 No.12243653 >>12243640 zoomers are invulnerable to being ignored. They just become more aggresive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:15:34 2020 No.12243656 >>12243651 >She is not on wikipedia therefore quack LOL Anon, your debating skills a next level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:17:18 2020 No.12243657 >>12243656 anyone worth their salt would be in Wikipedia, she's just another snake-oil salesman

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:18:33 2020 No.12243664 >>12243584 Ah yes, because people get permanent brain damage from holding their breath

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:21:32 2020 No.12243675 >>12243664 No, but for recycling their C02 continuously for 10 hours everyday

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:23:32 2020 No.12243682 >>12243657 Anon, you are not gonna go very far in life... That's all I can say at this point

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:24:55 2020 No.12243692 >>12243080 This is true. Uggos should wear masks as a matter of course

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:27:36 2020 No.12243700 >>12243056 Because the sooner everyone gets it within 3 months of each other, the sooner we go back to normal?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:22:53 2020 No.12243821 >>12243675 Almost as if theres a process that makes you breathe faster if you have low blood oxygen

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:34:08 2020 No.12243843 >>12243821 Still takes toll on your neurological development.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:03:01 2020 No.12243921 >>12243056 I wouldn't go robbing any banks if I were you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:23:43 2020 No.12243999 >>12243056 I have ugly teeth. Masks have been good for my self esteem. Hope they stay forever.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:30:47 2020 No.12244026

>>12243068
there is no obvious difference in deaths and cases between countries and regions that have or don't have mask mandates, just look at sweden for example, despite the fact that nobody wears a mask there their daily deaths graph looks almost identical to some us states that had masks and lockdowns

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:35:10 2020 No.12244038 >>12243262 This, 90% of people just wear one to avoid getting looks or being harassed by masktards, the other

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:35:43 2020 No.12244043 >>12243413 What do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:59:45 2020 No.12244107 >>12243843 Cite ANY source

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 00:53:56 2020 No.12244304 >>12243074 >facts >data IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 00:55:36 2020 No.12244308 >>12243225 t. cuckold

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 00:57:52 2020 No.12244314 >>12243294 Japs also don't fuck or reproduce is that something we should do?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 00:59:17 2020 No.12244319 >>12244314 You should consider it since your brain is about as wrinkled as bowling ball

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 00:59:17 2020 No.12244320 >>12243371 they deserved to be fired for overreacting, like it or not Trump's retardation was right and it is just a flu

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:01:54 2020 No.12244329 >>12243999 t. woman

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:15:49 2020 No.12244370 >>12244107 Already did >>12243621

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:23:57 2020 No.12244399 >>12243068 I love retards who wear a diaper on their face makes it easy to see who is an NPC

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:25:59 2020 No.12244407 >>12243161 arguments like this are probably hot shit on reddit you should stay there and never come back

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:26:46 2020 No.12244410 >>12244370 Where is all the people with brain damage if this were true

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:27:29 2020 No.12244413 >>12243189 damn my tranny hormones are fucking with my double digit IQ again. that was /thread guys my bad

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:34:15 2020 No.12244443 >>12244410 It causes an underdevelopment of their brain when you force children to wear it for several hours every day. Also, there are reports of people complaining from headaches due to the use of masks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:36:26 2020 No.12244449 >>12243999 I don't think they'll be outlawed

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:42:40 2020 No.12244463

>>12244449
Many states, including ones that currently require wearing a mask, have laws the prohibit wearing masks. These date back to when the KKK was still a real thing and later law enforcement liked keeping the law on the books so it was easier to see people's faces. Obviously it is selectively enforced, especially in the winter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:48:04 2020 No.12244482 >>12244413 HAHAHAHA DISREGARD THAT MY TRANNY HORMONES MAKE MY MOODS SWING ALL OVER THE PLACE I STILL SUCK COCKS /UNTHREAD

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:58:26 2020 No.12244517 >>12244463 I never had a problem with the fact that most people are simple minded until now. Like, the way people allow themselves to be controlled is just surreal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:53:45 2020 No.12244624 >>12244517 making me depressed as fuck

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 03:08:31 2020 No.12244657

>>12244517
Part of it is due to the cultural obsession with virtue signaling. Masks are a very visible way of signaling that you're virtuous. Notice that hand washing was a big deal initially but has been almost completely forgotten. This is because you don't walk around with a visible sign of your washed hands which makes it completely worthless for signaling virtue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:07:23 2020 No.12245933 >>12243621 So basically she has no evidence that masks are actually dangerous, she just assumes they will be? Better tell people who live at higher elevations that they're permanently brain damaged.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:09:16 2020 No.12245934 COVID is good because it kills old people and fatties.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:09:32 2020 No.12246122 >>12245934 scientifically speaking, it's pretty based

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:28:38 2020 No.12246177 >>12243056 >There is no reason to wear a mask Can’t get identified by the NSA from the cameras all around the city

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:27:56 2020 No.12246399
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>>12243262
overall this, they are most likely useless against a virus, Corona is between .05 and 0.2 microns in diameter only a mask with filter can protect you. Also i think mask will hurt us in the long run, especially kids, I had to do some stuff in the sun at 30 degrees(86F) with the mask , after an hour, I was nauseous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:31:53 2020 No.12246409 >>12243056 is this the Amelie girl?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:42:25 2020 No.12246442 >>12243056 If smart people and scientists tell you to wear it then shut the fuck up and wear it, you dumbfuck. you are not smarter than them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:43:32 2020 No.12246445 >>12243074 >anonymous dog is barking >complains about no facts no data >provides no facts no data to refute

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:45:12 2020 No.12246453 >>12244026 that doesn't mean shit. the swedes stay home and self quarantine more than other nations. you can only compare the effect of masks if you compare two countries with the same level of mobility.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:48:02 2020 No.12246462

>>12244443
>several hours every day.
the fuck are you talking about. thats insane. you are only supposed to wear it on a short and absolutely necessary trips, such as grocery shopping. if you need to be in a place that requires wearing it for several hours, then don't fucking go there, period. masks are for short trips only, by definition. damn you people are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:49:04 2020 No.12246468 >>12245934 >>12246122 yes your parents and grand parents. pretty fucking based.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:55:03 2020 No.12246490 >>12246122 >>12245934 would be more based if it mainly killed joggers

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:58:01 2020 No.12246501

>>12243056
I won't debate you because you're absolutely correct. At the start of the pandemic every single doctor and nurse in the world was saying that masks can potentially be useful for people who are sneezing or coughing uncontrollably, but that everyone wearing them regardless of symptoms is foolish.
They universally agreed that people should focus on social distance, washing hands, and not touching their face, also citing that wearing a mask all day promotes more face touching and general uncleanliness because of the need to adjust the mask and the fact that people were never replacing or washing their masks.
But then, one day, the government decided to make masks a requirement in public in response to complaints that the government wasn't doing enough to manage the spread of the virus. OVERNIGHT ALL MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS SUDDENLY CHANGED THEIR MINDS AND SAID MASKS ARE NECESSARY FOR EVERYONE.
It's a fucking political stunt, security theater, and people literally going back on their scientifically-backed beliefs because "Well, if the government is mandated then it must be good! Time to make retroactive rationalizations to confirm what we're being told to do is right!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 16:07:36 2020 No.12246531 >>12246501 /thread

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 16:21:49 2020 No.12246590

>>12246501
>"Well, if the government is mandated then it must be good"
Yes. why not? Do you think they just want to fuck with you because you look funny wearing a mask? It is not the govt it is the science that mandates it. It is a fucking pandemic. Damn you people are retarded.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:00:07 2020 No.12246732

>>12246590
>It is not the govt it is the science that mandates it.
No, you're fucking wrong. All the medical science we have shows that people wearing masks don't do shit to limit the spread of contagious illnesses. Studies have been done for decades comparing western countries where mask-wearing is not common to eastern countries where mask-wearing is common practice, and those countries don't show any appreciable difference in transmission rates despite the fact that they culturally promote habitual mask use during these very types of situations and have done so for a very long time.
Again, all the doctors were saying just a few months ago that wearing masks in response to any pandemic is unnecessary and potentially more harmful than not wearing masks. You can go on the CDC's own website right now and find articles that state wearing masks does nothing to prevent the spread of influenza. It wasn't until AFTER the governments started mandating mask use that the medical science magically started "supporting" the use of masks. It was a political move from the start and it's in the government's interest to propagandize the supposed effectiveness of masks because their whole goal is to reduce the hysteria and convince people that they're taking action against the pandemic. It's theatrics for the gullible, not real science.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:03:08 2020 No.12246743 >>12243056 You must be beautiful, post pictures.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:05:15 2020 No.12246750 >>12246501 >At the start of the pandemic every single doctor and nurse in the world You mean western doctors, because that isn't true at all for recommendations in Asia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:09:57 2020 No.12246772 >>12246732 so all govts are tyrannical, and have the same agenda of enslaving their people, the west, the east, 1st world, 3rd world, north korea, europe, americas, all run by the same illuminati pushing buttons from the same dark room.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:18:25 2020 No.12246797

>>12246772
Nope, don't put words in my mouth. The governments were all being called out as incompetent and for having poor response to the pandemic so they mandated masks to save political face because it's a highly visible and enforceable measure that makes people feel like someone is doing something. It wasn't done because the science supported it or because it's medically beneficial, but because it was the easiest way to take the heat off from the increasingly angry and hysterical citizens who needed to be pacified.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:24:17 2020 No.12246819 >>12246590 Based >>12246501 Put your mask on NOW.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:35:25 2020 No.12246863 >>12243056 first they're making us wear masks, then they're taking away our guns and making us live in an orwellian dystopia

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:47:47 2020 No.12246905

>>12246732
>All the medical science we have shows that people wearing masks don't do shit to limit the spread of contagious illnesses

Wrong. One study was posted above, there are many others. Sars-cov-19 spreads riding on water droplets that get filtered by medical masks

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:52:07 2020 No.12246918 >>12246905 >Sars-cov-19 spreads riding on water droplets that get filtered by medical masks this, holy fuck i thought this was a science board

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 17:55:33 2020 No.12246934 >>12246905 >>12246918 People aren't wearing medical masks, they're wearing cloth masks.

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I will never understand why /pol/ schizo see the use of a fucking mask as subversive??.
I could understand, discuss, and even agree with some of the issues and rational arguments against many current agendas and policies that lobbies and NGOs are promoting in the world (abortion, identity politics, 3rd wave feminism, lgbttifhgjx; ?$s%j++, blm, internet censorship and surveillance, etc etc). But a fucking mask!? Damn clown world upon us!

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>>12246918
>Sars-cov-19 spreads riding on water droplets that get filtered by medical masks

Depending on humidity in the air any waterdroplet between 60 and 120 micrometers will evaporate in a few seconds, before it falls to the floor(lower humidity lets bigger droplets evaporate, increasing seasonal transmission outside of summer months). These remnant nuclei of the droplets(under 5 micrometer in size, contaning phlegm, proteins, enzymes, bacteria and viruses in various mixes and ratios) remain suspended in the air and travel with turbulence and air streams.

Dependent on particle size an N95 mask still let through 5% of particles. A surgical mask is virtually N0, it doesn't act as a proper filter as it forms no seal and thus airstreams bypass it. Also due to redirecting the airflow from breathing, coughing and sneezing upwards, the droplet dispersion have a longer time window to evaporate in before falling to the floor, giving a realistic mechanism where they WORSEN airborne transmission.

These droplets can be formed in great numbers simply by breathing. There's individual variation.

N95s appear to at first glance help due to having a high filtration rate. But the studies don't agree with that.

Probably because aerosols can deposit on eyeballs and find their way into the nasal cavity from there. and being N95 masks and thus still letting through a significant amount of the hundred million particles that end up hanging around after some breathing among other people. The sheer particles with a high infectivity amount overwhelms the decently high filtration rate.

It's like dressing your soldiers in full body armor suits that just leaves a tiny face opening, because your lab test against pistols showed spectacular effectivity. Then you send them out on a no-mans land to charge straight against enemies who have full-auto airburst frag grenade launchers as standard equipment.

You want masks that stand a chance of preventing infections: full face N100.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 18:50:12 2020 No.12247199
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>>12243195
Next time use cases per million people, comparing the amount of confirmed cases is just stupid. USA has four times bigger population than Germany. Still, Germany handled the virus better.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=DEU~USA&region=World&casesMetric=true&interval=daily&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 01:01:46 2020 No.12248205 >>12243068 thats literally a picture anyone can make lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 01:21:37 2020 No.12248248 >>12243056 Your mouth doesn't stink You don't spit when you speak Half of your ugly face is hidden Less microbes are inhaled by you, so your immune system has more of a chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 01:23:54 2020 No.12248253 >>12246966 this has been explained many times at this point you are just showing that you are too retarded to understand an 80 IQ conspiracy theory lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 01:26:43 2020 No.12248259 >>12246934 Both are effective against droplets.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 01:36:14 2020 No.12248270

>>12247199
it's even worse - test need to be fast
24h reply time, 48h is barely acceptable
if it takes more than that, it's useless as far as limiting the pandemic from spreading.
the infection chains get too unwieldy to manage with slow test results
US has no penalty for slow results, they pay full price no matter how old the test result is. Elsewhere in the world 48h is the max allowed if the lab is to get money.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 01:46:23 2020 No.12248288

>>12246462
not that anon, but some people are required by their state and their employers to wear their masks at all times when working

my company hasn't shut down at all during the pandemic and Washington State started mandating masks, so I have to wear one for ten hours a day doing physical labor (aircraft mechanic). I can confirm anecdotally that even a clean cloth mask will occasionally give me a headache and accompanying nausea, on top of the usual "god damn I'm burning up and short of breath with this thing on"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 02:08:55 2020 No.12248317 >>12243080 Finally, somebody gets it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 02:12:27 2020 No.12248327 >>12246462 They are talking about breathing breaks for children in school in Ireland. Some workplaces demand that their employees wear it all the time.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 02:17:40 2020 No.12248333

>>12245933
Yeah lets discard the statements from the head of Neorology on a medical clinic.
People living in higher altitudes adapt but we don't know the toll it takes on their neurological development.
Also they are not constantly recycling their CO2.
In many countries airline pilots can retire earlier and they receive compensation for working several hours into a cabin in which the pressure altitude is of 8000 ft, since it does take a toll on your organism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 02:20:05 2020 No.12248340 >>12248259 Not talking to people who are neurotic about this also works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 02:21:32 2020 No.12248342 >>12246590 Imagine unironically believing this. Imagine being cuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 02:33:36 2020 No.12248353 File: 96 KB, 491x567, redditor falling apart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12243161 >Arguments like that are probably hot shit in pol, not here. >Go back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:08:04 2020 No.12248403 >>12243187 >you smell like shit and I want to avoid talking with you Underwear plus pants can't even contain farts, why would a little piece of cloth over your face keep you from smelling a stinky person?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:10:02 2020 No.12248406 >>12243228 Cloth is a pretty good filter, that is why you use them to keep coffee grit out of the liquid. It just has pores that are too large to filter such a small virus like corona.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:11:50 2020 No.12248407 >>12248406 Well good thing corona spreads by larger droplets, not individual virions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:11:53 2020 No.12248408 >>12243664 Isn't that why kids aren't allowed to play the pass out game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:13:18 2020 No.12248414 >>12244410 on reddit advocating for masks and thanking health workers for their sick dance moves

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:15:19 2020 No.12248417 >>12243285 I literally hate my neighbors and pray for their demise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:16:20 2020 No.12248419 >>12244410 China

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:20:01 2020 No.12248424 >>12246177 They can still use temperature, gate detection, body geometry, and a host of other biometric and pattern detection techniques, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:21:03 2020 No.12248426 >>12246442 These are the same people who tell you to cut your baby's dick off for no real reason while saying if you cut some flaps of a female infant you are torturing them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 03:59:12 2020 No.12248474 >>12248288 that's because you're probably a fatass, retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 04:07:57 2020 No.12248487 File: 9 KB, 153x203, fatality_rate_COVID19.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12243068 >>12243090 >>12243080 >>12243056 >>12243120 >>12243164 >>12243187

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 04:09:44 2020 No.12248491 >>12243068 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 04:29:16 2020 No.12248525 >>12248253 Lol, that 80 IQ reading compression tho...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 06:08:35 2020 No.12248699 >>12248491 >>12243120

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 06:25:41 2020 No.12248720 >>12243056 I wear masks out in public to protect other people from any covid I may be possibly carrying in my breath

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 16:02:29 2020 No.12250137 >>12243068 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 16:03:46 2020 No.12250142 >>12243300 The virus will reside and are transmitted within droplets which are larger than the pores of the mask.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 16:05:07 2020 No.12250144

>>12248720
The WHO said months ago that all their studies showed asymptomatic individuals are not spreading the virus. Of course, governments were pissed at them for saying that and undermining the mask mandates so it was immediately recanted and never brought up again even though it's fucking true.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 16:13:43 2020 No.12250175

If western societies weren't so full of niggers, dirty arabs, antifa-faggots, irresponsible retards and self-righteous fucks like OP, we would have solved the Covid issue a long time ago like in Japan and South Korea.
I don't even care anymore, just burn this "civilization" down to the ground. My only regret is for the few innocent people who acted responsibly and who'll pay the price of stupidity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 16:21:25 2020 No.12250204 >>12243056 >There is no reason to wear a mask. Debate me. To don't get fined Wow, that was easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 16:25:32 2020 No.12250214 >>12248699 tl;dr

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 17:37:47 2020 No.12250477

>>12248333
>Yeah lets discard the statements from the head of Neorology on a medical clinic.
Let's indeed. If I'm not allowed to dismiss one doctor, why are you allowed to dismiss the majority of doctors who disagree with her? My biggest complaint isn't her questioning the use of masks, it's that she's stating as a fact that they'll cause irreversible brain damage without providing supporting evidence.

>People living in higher altitudes adapt
That conflicts with her argument. Her claim is there is no adaption, you simply stop feeling ill, which allows the damage to continue silently. Studies based on longevity show that living at altitude is likely beneficial, at least to a certain point. I haven't seen any evidence that surgical masks reduce oxygen levels to the point of oxygen deprivation.

>Also they are not constantly recycling their CO2.
What makes you think masks block CO2 from escaping?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 17:39:29 2020 No.12250479 >>12243371 I am literally shaking

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 18:03:32 2020 No.12250550 >>12243371 Trump also tried to prevent international travel from China and its neighbors who were being affected by the virus only to have it all shut down by Democrats who called it racist, isolationist, and extremist.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 18:17:29 2020 No.12250593

>>12250550
>Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did
>Genetic analyses have shown that the large epidemic that unfolded in New York was linked to travelers from Europe.
>more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.

Too little and way too late. By the time Trump tried to ban travel, the virus had a foothold in the US. It's like locking the doors after the horses have left the barn.

The travel ban was political kabuki theater because they knew they acted too late but needed to create an appearance of doing something. Blaming the dems in this way is a strawman tactic that only worked because they appeared to disprove of the ban when they tried to pointed out the obvious futility of it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 18:33:25 2020 No.12250647

>>12250593
>Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did
Because the Dems were preventing Trump from doing it by literally calling it racist and cockblocking it. Democratic representatives were going as far as encouraging people to gather in Chinese neighborhoods for Chinese New Year celebrations and saying that being afraid of coronavirus is stupid.
>Genetic analyses have shown that the large epidemic that unfolded in New York was linked to travelers from Europe.
Because Europe was late to the game in blocking travel to and from China, too. Remember when Italy had "Hug a Chinese Day" in response to racism related to "overreactions" over coronavirus? Because I do, it unfolded similar to what happened in the US: People who were pro-travel-restrictions were called racist for the longest time. Europe woke up before the US did, but neither reacted fast enough because of stupid "anti-racist" bullshit.
>more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.
I'll certainly make no excuses for the incompetence of the government, since that was always the problem from the start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:10:40 2020 No.12250730 >>12243056 it makes people feel safe.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:40:07 2020 No.12250810

>>12250730
A false sense of security is often more dangerous than a bit of fear/insecurity. If you know that there's a certain danger you'll act in a more cautious way to avoid it and ultimately remain safe from the danger. If you think the danger is completely alleviated when it isn't you won't behave as cautiously and you'll be more likely to fall victim to that same danger.

Case in point:
>people who think that social distancing no longer applies when they wear a mask
>people who think they can cough and sneeze into the open air instead of their sleeve because they're wearing a mask
>people who think they don't need to wash their hands as often (or ever) because they're wearing a mask

In my anecdotal experience, ever since the mask mandate went into effect everyone has actually been taking fewer of these other important precautions because they think everyone wearing a mask negates the need. I'd rather have everyone maskless and cautious than masked and reckless.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 20:27:54 2020 No.12250951

>>12247065
>
>Full face N100

That's what I wear when I have to venture out, with P100 filter cartridges though. I might look strange but IDGAF, I definitely do not want to risk any COVID-19 related neurological damage. If I become a brainlet I'm pretty much fucked as I need to be on point mentally for my profession.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 20:40:52 2020 No.12250984 >>12250730 muh fee fees not a good enough reason

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 23:39:43 2020 No.12251385

>>12250477
>Let's indeed. If I'm not allowed to dismiss one doctor, why are you allowed to dismiss the majority of doctors who disagree with her?
Becuase the masks don't protect agains the viruses. The most effective masks are only effective agains particles at least 3 times the size of the virus.
There is no discourse, about this topic. You only have insitutions telling you to wear the mask and anyone who says otherwise is censored. Those doctors saying you should wear a mask are not putting their credentials and credibility on the line, you don't even know their names. You only head that "the CDC says this, the WHO says that" and anything that points their flaws is for the most part censored.
The main doctor who is a proponent of most of the measures in place is Fauci, who was involved in some really shady shit relating to the HIV virus and stems to make a lot of money from the measures in place resulting from this pandemic.
>irreversible brain damage without providing supporting evidence.
Do you know any kind of brain damage that is reversible?
>That conflicts with her argument. Her claim is there is no adaption, you simply stop feeling ill, which allows the damage to continue silently. Studies based on longevity show that living at altitude is likely beneficial, at least to a certain point. I haven't seen any evidence that surgical masks reduce oxygen levels to the point of oxygen deprivation.
The oxygen intake is less. A lesser oxygen intake through your developmental years results in underdevelopment. It doesn't mean they will be retarded, just not up to their full potential.
I just explained to you how there is regulation in place that recognizes the adverse effects of spending extended amounts of time in an high altiture enviroment. You just decided to gloss over it because you don't wanna concede you are wrong.
About the evidence of masks and suboptimal oxygen intake here is a video:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-RjFFhBl8

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 23:43:51 2020 No.12251391

>>12250477
>>12251385
>What makes you think masks block CO2 from escaping?
The video i posted above shows how the oxgen concentration in the air you inhale is reduced.
It's not that the CO2 gets trapped. It's that it doesn't escape immediatelly, part of it gets concentrated on the inside of the mask while you go for another breath, thus forcing you to recycle it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 23:56:31 2020 No.12251422

>>12251385
Ahh, and most doctors understand the bullshit about this virus, otherwise they wouldn't be signing an open letter urging people to not shut down the blm protests.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 00:25:35 2020 No.12251489 >not having your gf/ wife wear your mask like a diaper all night, filling it with farts Braapmask is the only way to go. It’s like my morning coffee.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 01:03:01 2020 No.12251597 >>12243056 N95 or bust, everything else is useless

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:38:24 2020 No.12251936 >>12243230 People look at me like im holding a gun

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:39:36 2020 No.12251942 >>12243653 Zoomers have no balls, their scowl is easy to ignore

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:42:17 2020 No.12251947 >>12246442 Ill give you scientists but 'smart people' has become a propaganda tool of the left. Well really they both are but scientists are hit and miss. Remember when they said the protests were not a covid concern?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:42:20 2020 No.12251948 File: 327 KB, 696x602, 1550752863489.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12244399 i can smell the grease and dorito dust through the screen

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:44:08 2020 No.12251952 >>12250204 What shithole do you live in where you get fined? I live in Portland and police dont look twice at me.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:52:02 2020 No.12251967

>>12243056
>disease is spread through bodily fluids like mucus and saliva
>wear a mask that prevents spittle from landing on another person when you talk and snot when you sneeze
>reduce the likelihood of infection
It really doesn't take a degree in biology to figure this one out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 04:01:51 2020 No.12251979 >>12243068 This has been thoroughly debunked by independent fact checkers. Nice try.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 04:07:56 2020 No.12251990 >>12251967 >disease is spread through aerosols Fixed that for you

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 04:47:47 2020 No.12252056

>>12251385
>The main doctor who is a proponent of most of the measures in place is Fauci, who was involved in some really shady shit relating to the HIV virus and stems to make a lot of money from the measures in place resulting from this pandemic.
Fuck off with this shizo shit.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-RjFFhBl8 [Embed]
Jesus fucking Christ. I'm so tired of MAGA conservative retards.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 05:25:29 2020 No.12252107

>>12246918
>>12248259
Have you normally coughed directly into people's faces?
That's not how science works:
summer --> lot of sun --> warm
winter --> little sun --> cold
day --> lot of sun --> warm
night --> little sun --> cold
So, the sun must be the driving factor for climate change.
You need to make a study for _at least_ one season to see if masks work, and the ones I've read that did this (before politics made "masks work" a dogma), didn't conclude to have seen a statistical significant effect.
What we see now, 30'000+ articles on pubmed only, is, in my opinion, just bullshit "science", done for the fame and reputation, not the knowledge.
This anon gets it:
>>12246501
>>12246732
>>12246797
exactly this!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 05:53:50 2020 No.12252140 Friendly reminder, antimaskers were the same people shilling a potentially harmful drug (HCQ), but refuse to use unharmful masks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 06:49:50 2020 No.12252257 >>12252140 reminder that masks weren't recommended until people like you wanted to feel like you did something important

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 07:00:37 2020 No.12252281

>>12243120
>>12243194

Yeah, i'm going to go with the published study performed by multiple doctors that uses neutral language and facts, as opposed to the one self-published by a single doctor who comes across as absolutely seething and who uses purposefully divisive language despite his opening statement saying thats exactly what the problem is

>>	saged Tue Oct 20 09:37:32 2020 No.12252568 >>12243056 There is no reason not to kill yourself. Debate me. >protip: you can't

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 12:29:45 2020 No.12253058

>>12251385
>Becuase the masks don't protect agains the viruses. The most effective masks are only effective agains particles at least 3 times the size of the virus.
>There is no discourse, about this topic.
There doesn't need to regarding what you just said because it's bullshit. Not only do we know the viral particles need to hitch a ride on droplets which are much larger, but we know that masks block both droplets and the particles that are on the droplets.

>Do you know any kind of brain damage that is reversible?
1. Yes, people make recoveries after brain injuries, so it's definitely capable of some repair.
2. She never proved the initial claim that there's brain damage in the first place. She just glosses over it like it must be a fact.

>The oxygen intake is less. A lesser oxygen intake through your developmental years results in underdevelopment. It doesn't mean they will be retarded, just not up to their full potential
So why are kids living at high altitudes not turning brain damaged?

>I just explained to you how there is regulation in place that recognizes the adverse effects of spending extended amounts of time in an high altiture enviroment.
Can you post the regulation? Are you sure it's related to the oxygen and not the fact that they're exposed to large amounts of radiation on a daily basis?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 12:47:37 2020 No.12253100 File: 179 KB, 750x936, stop-arnold[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hold the fuck on. Are there seriously people arguing wearing a mask will cause permanent brain damage? For real?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 12:55:24 2020 No.12253117

>>12243068
Are these numbers based on a study? If so, which? Why isn't it sourced in the image? How big was the sample size? Which masks were used? How accurately could they measure the onset of a COVID-19 infection? Was a control group used? Is this literally just someone making up numbers to get us to wear masks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 12:56:48 2020 No.12253122 File: 125 KB, 1400x1000, Bape-Color-Camo-Shark-Mask-Red.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12243056 What if you like the aesthetics?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:13:27 2020 No.12253177

>>12243621
>“The rebreathing of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen depravation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus, that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive. The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of the reaction time – reactions of the cognitive system.
Notice how she just says that masks cause oxygen depravation as fact. Where does she get this from?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:15:40 2020 No.12253188

>>12253058
>but we know that masks block both droplets and the particles that are on the droplets.
So we can just not talk to other people faces and problem solved?

> Yes, people make recoveries after brain injuries, so it's definitely capable of some repair.
I'm afraid you don't know how the brain works. Recovering from brain damage means getting another part of your brain performing the function that used to be assigned to the damaged part. I'd rather not have any damaged parts at all.
>So why are kids living at high altitudes not turning brain damaged?

It works kinda like malnutrition. If you deprive someone from the nutrients they need to grow, they are not gonna show signs of trauma in their bodies, but they will not grow to be ass tall or as strong as they could've been.

>Can you post the regulation? Are you sure it's related to the oxygen and not the fact that they're exposed to large amounts of radiation on a daily basis?
What country do you live in?
I know this because I work in the aviation industry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:17:26 2020 No.12253194 >>12253177 From her experience, from people reporting headaches and from things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-RjFFhBl8 I assume

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:18:41 2020 No.12253199 >>12252056 >Fuck off with this shizo shit. >Don't believe what you see with your own eyes. I'm sure there is a study out there that can explain it differently.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:20:58 2020 No.12253214 >>12253194 >>12253199 Have you literally never heard of pulse oximeters?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:21:40 2020 No.12253218 >>12253122 The 2020 equivalent of flame shirts.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:22:22 2020 No.12253223

>>12253058
>There doesn't need to regarding what you just said because it's bullshit. Not only do we know the viral particles need to hitch a ride on droplets which are much larger, but we know that masks block both droplets and the particles that are on the droplets.
There is actually quite a bit of debate in the scientific community as to whether COVID-19 is actually a droplet or aerosol transmission. Not that anyone would draw your attention to it, because aerosol transmission would indeed mean that masks are entirely ineffective. You can search for "COVID-19 aerosol" and find scientific papers on the matter as well as articles of scientists disagreeing over the transmission methods. It's far from a closed case like you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:22:43 2020 No.12253225 >>12243056 Rape. Robbery. There's two reasons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:25:23 2020 No.12253236 >>12253100 In the states that require wearing a mask at all times including outdoors and in your own car, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:28:13 2020 No.12253248 >>12253214 Do you really don't know the difference between blood oxygen saturation and oxygen concentration in air, and the implications of such? See how uneducated you are in this topic?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:29:35 2020 No.12253253 >>12253100 >>12253236 And obviously for the workers who have to wear a mask for their entire shift, which means 40+ hours per week of oxygen reduction for 8-10 hours at a time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:29:45 2020 No.12253256 >>12253225 >Rape. Robbery. I've been wondering when are we gonna start seeing a spike in those.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:36:44 2020 No.12253294 >>12250951 >"The thing he didn't realize was that he already was a brainlet."

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:38:09 2020 No.12253300 I think it's funny that when you go into a bank or a liquor store, the security guard stops you and tells you to put ON a mask. For everyone's safety. The world we live in today, huh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:39:28 2020 No.12253302 there really isn't anymore, no one is staying home anymore, it is like wearing socks during a gangbang, lmao good luck

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:39:57 2020 No.12253304 >>12253236 >in your own car It's hermetically fucking sealed! We're still supposed to believe that politicians are getting their advice from doctors, right?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:42:40 2020 No.12253316 >>12253248 >and the implications of such? Let's hear it

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:44:20 2020 No.12253324 >>12253300 >>12253304 Things are getting distopian pretty fast. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vivlf6vTx9w

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:49:53 2020 No.12253344

>>12253316
When you have a lower oxygen availability, your body has to spend more energy to maintain proper oxygen saturation. The oxygen that would othrewise be dedicated to the functioning of other orgains such as the brain is now being used to enable you to keep breathing more heavily and keep you heart pumping faster.
That mean less oxygen available for the brain functions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:55:11 2020 No.12253368 >>12253344 Just curious, have you ever read a physiology book?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 13:58:47 2020 No.12253383 >>12253368 Yes, also a few neuroscience books, some articles about the homones pertaining to the nervous sytem, etc Also, I have read some biochem, virology and immunology. I'm pretty well versed in this topic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:12:27 2020 No.12253437 >>12253383 >I'm pretty well versed in this topic. Obviously you're not because you would know that the body literally does the opposite of what you're claiming. Stop larping.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:13:29 2020 No.12253442 >>12253188 >So we can just not talk to other people faces and problem solved? Droplets spread pretty far. Why is it so egregious to wear a mask while doing shopping for 20 minutes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:14:39 2020 No.12253445 >>12253437 no, I'm afraid it doesn't sorry

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:15:19 2020 No.12253448 >>12253445 Well I guess doing labour intensive work or working out cause brain damage guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:16:20 2020 No.12253453 >>12253442 sure, if you are screeching. but if it's a concern to you, just keep your mouth shut. >Why is it so egregious to wear a mask while doing shopping for 20 minutes don't wanna impair my breathing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:18:21 2020 No.12253463 >>12253453 It doesn't impair your breathing you retarded magatard

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:22:36 2020 No.12253491

>>12253448
I've said plenty of times, that what it does is cause an underdevelopment in chindren's brain if they have to wear the mask for several hours.
>Well I guess doing labour intensive work or working out cause brain damage guys.
this is why i made a point to mention reading about hormones pertaining to the neurological system. I'm not gonna get into that becuase then this discussion is gonna get very lengthy but I just wanna point out, you lack the amount of knowledge required to have a relevant opinion on this.
but let me ask you this.
When you are doing labor intensive workouts you are not trying to fill out excel spreadsheets or solving equations, are you?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:23:09 2020 No.12253494

>>12253188
>So we can just not talk to other people faces and problem solved?
Potentially, yes. There's still aerosols to be concerned about, but I would take distance over a mask if it was either/or.

>Recovering from brain damage means getting another part of your brain performing the function that used to be assigned to the damaged part.
What is neurogenesis and BDNF? It certainly doesn't sound permanent to me, not that I recommend going and getting brain damaged, but it's quite capable of some recovery. That's not really the part I'm arguing over anyway, because discussing the degree of injury prior to proving there is any injury seems superfluous.

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/when-damaged-the-adult-brain-repairs-itself-by-going-back-to-the-beginning

>It works kinda like malnutrition. If you deprive someone from the nutrients they need to grow, they are not gonna show signs of trauma in their bodies, but they will not grow to be ass tall or as strong as they could've been.
I won't argue that it isn't a possibility, in fact I'm open to it, what I'm arguing is for evidence rather than stating something as a fact. I've never seen anything showing that kids growing up at higher elevations end up with below average brain development, nor have I seen any evidence that people wearing masks end up with dangerously low levels of hypoxia.

>I know this because I work in the aviation industry.
I'm in the USA and have never heard of anything of the sort. I even attempted to google it. I found papers from multiple countries discussing hypoxia in aviation, but none mentioned anything about permanent damage or early retirement, just that it's something to be aware of even below 10k feet in terms of how it affects performance.

Btw, I have a pulse oximeter and have measured my oxygen throughout the day wearing a mask for 4-5 hours straight and a total of 8 hours (never removing it except for lunch). I've never seen my oxygen saturation fall below 98%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:25:07 2020 No.12253501 >>12253463 It does, calling me a magatard is not gonna change how physiology works. I don't even vote in US elections. I'm not even american.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:26:23 2020 No.12253511

>>12253223
I believe it can aerosolize under certain conditions, but it seems to be far less contagious than other true airborne diseases, so I seriously doubt aerosols as being the primary means of spread. Even in conditions that can cause aerosol spread, masks are associated with less severe disease. They likely do block some of the aerosols, though obviously not enough to prevent infection, but reducing severity of disease is just as important.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:27:48 2020 No.12253521

>>12253344
>The oxygen that would othrewise be dedicated to the functioning of other orgains such as the brain is now being used to enable you to keep breathing more heavily and keep you heart pumping faster.
Kek. Okay, I'll start measuring my resting heart rate to go with my pulse oximeter readings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:29:18 2020 No.12253528 masks are literal modern day clamping lol hahaha they clamp u the minute you leave the womb the clamp you through mind fuckery now they have you clamp yourself MMMMMM CO2

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:31:11 2020 No.12253539

>>12253494
>What is neurogenesis and BDNF?
It's kinda like when you loose you thumb and they replace it with a toe. You are not getting your thumb back.

>I won't argue that it isn't a possibility, in fact I'm open to it, what I'm arguing is for evidence rather than stating something as a fact. I've never seen anything showing that kids growing up at higher elevations end up with below average brain development, nor have I seen any evidence that people wearing masks end up with dangerously low levels of hypoxia.

Sure, that's a fair assessment. Do you really wanna make that experiment on your children, so you can have the illusion that they are protected from a "virus" that has a 99.99% survival rate?
>I'm in the USA and have never heard of anything of the sort.
It's not permanent damage. Pilots can keep working for as long as their medical is valid. I'm not not sure about the US regulation but in my country, pilots earn compensation for spending several hours at an 8000ft cabin altitude, since it's know to take a toll on the body.

>Btw, I have a pulse oximeter and have measured my oxygen throughout the day wearing a mask for 4-5 hours straight and a total of 8 hours (never removing it except for lunch). I've never seen my oxygen saturation fall below 98%.
I talked about this here >>12253344

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:31:17 2020 No.12253540

>>12253442
>Why is it so egregious to wear a mask while doing shopping for 20 minutes
Why do you so casually dismiss the fact that there are millions of workers being forced to wear masks for work 8 hours per day, 40 hours per week, many while engaging in physical labor that necessitates better oxygen flow for optimal health and safety? These are the people for whom it's a real problem and it's all part of the very same mask mandates. Not even doctors and nurses wear masks that much (pre-COVID, anyway).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:33:57 2020 No.12253555 >>12253539 >pilots earn compensation for spending several hours at an 8000ft cabin altitude, since it's know to take a toll on the body. as well as being entitled to an earlier retirement relative to other professionals.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:39:49 2020 No.12253583

>>12253491
Don't you see the flaws in your own argument? It's fundamentally flawed because masks literally does not deprave the brain from oxygen. Masks doesn't cause hypoxia. It doesn't even cause hypercapnia. So how exactly can you claim people are getting brain damage?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:43:40 2020 No.12253605

>>12253539
>It's kinda like when you loose you thumb and they replace it with a toe. You are not getting your thumb back.
Or like you burn your thumb, and it heals entirely. It depends on the damage, and we don't know the damage yet because there's no proof of damage.

>Sure, that's a fair assessment. Do you really wanna make that experiment on your children, so you can have the illusion that they are protected from a "virus" that has a 99.99% survival rate?
I'm going with the lack of evidence of brain damage from living at elevation to mean masks are likely safe, along with medical workers using them for decades and decades. On the other hand, we have little evidence to show that there won't be long term damage from this particular virus, and we do have evidence that even mild cases showed heart inflammation 6 months after infection. I feel like I know more about the safety of masks than the long term effects of COVID-19.

>I talked about this here >>12253344
I'm not buying it. I know what increased respiration and heart rate feels like due to raised oxygen needs. I'm not noticing any of that while wearing a mask, nor am I noticing cognitive impairment. We shouldn't have surgeons performing surgery that could cost someone their life if masks are such a detriment to brain function.

Can you post what country you're from and the regulation you're talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:44:41 2020 No.12253611 >>12253583 This is like saying it's okay to deprive your children of protein and fat as long as they don't starve to death or get physically ill. It'll still harm their development and stunt their growth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:45:57 2020 No.12253615 >>12253611 >This is like saying it's okay to deprive your children But they're not being deprived of anything thing! That's the whole point.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:47:30 2020 No.12253624

>>12243068
The 70% is big enough to consider other problems of requiring massive mask use. Mostly that many times people don't understand the 70% and so feel like they are immune now and ignore other important recommendations like social distancing. It really isn't that fucking hard but let it to the medio to make this shit partisan and for every retard to fall for the bait.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:47:39 2020 No.12253628

>>12253605
>along with medical workers using them for decades and decades.
Medical workers never used to wear masks for entire shifts at a time every single day. The longest period of time a medical professional would wear a mask would be in an operating room, and guess what? Operating rooms are designed to have higher than normal air exchange and higher than normal oxygen levels to account for everyone wearing masks for those extended periods so they don't experience negative side effects. Your average retail store or warehouse does not have such accommodations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:48:59 2020 No.12253635 >>12253611 You're again stating something as fact. Forget about potential damage, first you have to prove masks can even cause hypoxia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:49:58 2020 No.12253642 >>12243056 uncomfortable, mainly protects people I don't care about, it's funny to watch people get mad

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:52:27 2020 No.12253653 >>12253628 >Operating rooms are designed to have higher than normal air exchange and higher than normal oxygen levels to account for everyone wearing masks It has nothing to do with wearing masks anon. Literally nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:52:42 2020 No.12253656 >>12253615 But they are. That's what this discussion is about. That's the claim made by the doctor in this links >>12243621 They are being deprived from the optimal amount of oxygen that will allow them to develop to their full potential

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:52:59 2020 No.12253657 >>12253642 It's funny to see fat americans get angry at having to wear a mask to get their cheetos at walmart

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:53:21 2020 No.12253658

>>12253628
>Operating rooms are designed to have higher than normal air exchange and higher than normal oxygen levels to account for everyone wearing masks for those extended periods so they don't experience negative side effects.
No they're not. The level of oxygen is the same as outside air, what they have is increased air pressure to increase the air exchange rate, and it has nothing to do with comfort for the surgeon and nurses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:54:38 2020 No.12253665 >>12253658 >it has nothing to do with comfort for the surgeon and nurses Correct, it has to do with their health.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:55:57 2020 No.12253669 >>12253628 This is blatantly false. Fuck off schizo

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:56:11 2020 No.12253671 >>12253665 No, it has to do with maintaining a sterile environment for the patient and operating site.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 14:57:06 2020 No.12253674 >>12253665 It's for the patient.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:00:28 2020 No.12253684

>>12253605
>Or like you burn your thumb, and it heals entirely. It depends on the damage, and we don't know the damage yet because there's no proof of damage.
No, neurons don't heal like other cells do.

>I'm going with the lack of evidence of brain damage from living at elevation to mean masks are likely safe, along with medical workers using them for decades and decades.
It's fine, as long as you are ok with the possibility having an underdeveloped brain, if you are a child.

>On the other hand, we have little evidence to show that there won't be long term damage from this particular virus, and we do have evidence that even mild cases showed heart inflammation 6 months after infection. I feel like I know more about the safety of masks than the long term effects of COVID-19.
All of these cases have been accompanied by some other actually severe condition. The WHO had an explicit guideline to diagnose and treat based on symtoms alone. The pcr test itself is not meant for diagnosis. That was stated by the creator of the test. They haven't purified and isolated the virus, is hasn't even been sujected to what they call Gold standard in isolating a virus.

>I'm not buying it. I know what increased respiration and heart rate feels like due to raised oxygen needs. I'm not noticing any of that while wearing a mask, nor am I noticing cognitive impairment. We shouldn't have surgeons performing surgery that could cost someone their life if masks are such a detriment to brain function.

I'm not gonna argue about what you feel. But just so you know, even when you suffer severe hipoxia, you don't feel any less mentaly capable. And i'm talking about capping your potential, not performing at your current level.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:03:39 2020 No.12253697

>>12253684
>I'm not gonna argue about what you feel. But just so you know, even when you suffer severe hipoxia, you don't feel any less mentaly capable. And i'm talking about capping your potential, not performing at your current level.
Do you have any proof what so ever that masks cause hypoxia?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:07:32 2020 No.12253713

>>12253684
>It's fine, as long as you are ok with the possibility having an underdeveloped brain, if you are a child.
I'm not. I'm also not okay with them having potential long-term damage from a virus. Right now, I feel the virus is a bigger risk than a mask. You've provided no evidence they reduce oxygen in a meaningful way (but SARS-CoV-2 certainly can). Your fallback was airline pilots, but you haven't even given me the regulation you're talking about or the country it's in.

>All of these cases have been accompanied by some other actually severe condition.
No. Heart and lung inflammation have been found in completely asymptomatic patients. Does that mean it will cause long term damage? Maybe not. I'm personally not comfortable making the conclusion it won't with a virus that's been researched for less than a year.

>even when you suffer severe hipoxia, you don't feel any less mentaly capable.
Severe hypoxia usually causes a very noticeable disruption in cognitive function.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:11:17 2020 No.12253727 >>12246772 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:16:32 2020 No.12253746 you must clamp your face anon

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:19:11 2020 No.12253751

>>12253713
>Your fallback was airline pilots, but you haven't even given me the regulation you're talking about or the country it's in.
I'm not gonna dox myself. Aviation is a pretty small industry when it comes to it's workforce, i'm not gonna narrow it down further by giving away my country.
>No. Heart and lung inflammation have been found in completely asymptomatic patients.
You are overlooking the fact that the virus has not been purified and isolated, it's hasn't been subjected to the gold standard and you can basically manupulate the amounts of cycles of amplifications in the PCR test to the point where anyone tests positive.
Basically anything can be ascribed to this virus and anyone can get a positive diagnosis.

>Severe hypoxia usually causes a very noticeable disruption in cognitive function.
Noticeable to other people, but not to yourself.
Just google people dying from hypoxia in a hypobaric chamber. Of course i'm not suggesting that you'd get anything close to that by wearing a mask, it's just to show how your own judgement on your brain's level of performance is not reliable, especially if you are not putting peak demand on your cognitive skills.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:20:28 2020 No.12253754 >>12246966 Masks reduce empathy

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:21:37 2020 No.12253757

>>12253697
>Do you have any proof what so ever that masks cause hypoxia?
They give you a subotmial oxygen intake which equals to less oxygen for all of your brain functions. If to you that's not an hinderance that's because you don't rely on your congnition to that level.
In the case of children, it stunts their development.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:22:17 2020 No.12253760 >>12243478 they're the same kind of person who looks at total hours worked per week and conclude that Japanese office workers are less busy than American ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:31:41 2020 No.12253785 >>12243090 Why did the thread continue after this utter butt destruction?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:33:09 2020 No.12253790 >>12253757 So you literally don't have any. What a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:34:35 2020 No.12253795 >>12247199 >comparing the amount of confirmed cases is just stupid Nah, the more feeding ground for exponential growth, the worse. It is not unimportant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:35:44 2020 No.12253799 >>12253757 Apart from all the bullshit in that post; you should get your hamster lungs checked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 15:41:56 2020 No.12253817 >>12243068 Unless you have a probabilty concluded from a sample space taken on a random basis I'm gonna say you're just pulling it out of your rusty butthole licked everyday by your mother

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:00:01 2020 No.12253884

>>12253751
You're going to dox yourself by telling me the country you're speaking of? You realize that sounds sketchy, right? Why even mention it when you're not going to give me the opportunity to research it?

>Noticeable to other people, but not to yourself.
Anon, I have a family member on three liters of oxygen to maintain their oxygen saturation at 97%. Below 95%, their respiratory rate increases. Below 90%, they can no longer think clearly. Below 80%, they're barely coherent. They're well aware of when they're starting to struggle even at the milder levels. Severe hypoxia is very noticeable.

But I'm still not seeing how masks would reduce oxygen. We ordinarily inhale .5 liters per breath, and have an expiratory reserve volume of 1.2 liters. A typical mask is going to hold far less air than that, so the bulk of the air we inhale will be from outside of the mask, and the amount the mask could retain will be small compared to the ERV. It doesn't sound plausible to me, and it certainly doesn't sound plausible that it could cause issues without increasing respiratory and heart rates.

>>12253757
>If to you that's not an hinderance that's because you don't rely on your congnition to that level.
You're now at the point of just insulting people who don't agree with something that you're not providing any evidence for.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:12:36 2020 No.12253946

>>12253884
>Anon, I have a family member on three liters of oxygen to maintain their oxygen saturation at 97%. Below 95%, their respiratory rate increases. Below 90%, they can no longer think clearly. Below 80%, they're barely coherent. They're well aware of when they're starting to struggle even at the milder levels. Severe hypoxia is very noticeable.
You didn't wanna bother googling it, so I did it for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN3W4d-5RPo
>timestamp 1:45
This is what happens when you are going through hypoxia. In your mind you are functioning just fine, but to others it's clear you aren't

>But I'm still not seeing how masks would reduce oxygen. We ordinarily inhale .5 liters per breath, and have an expiratory reserve volume of 1.2 liters. A typical mask is going to hold far less air than that, so the bulk of the air we inhale will be from outside of the mask, and the amount the mask could retain will be small compared to the ERV. It doesn't sound plausible to me, and it certainly doesn't sound plausible that it could cause issues without increasing respiratory and heart rates.
This is the 3rd time I'm posting this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-RjFFhBl8

>You're now at the point of just insulting people who don't agree with something that you're not providing any evidence for.
How was that in insult?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:21:21 2020 No.12253988 >>12253946 >This is the 3rd time I'm posting this At some point we would hope you understood that the video you keep posting doesn't prove your point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:24:53 2020 No.12254001 >>12253988 So explain why the oxygen concentration in the air he was inhaling under the mask was 17% and not 21% like the when the straw was on the exterior.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:28:37 2020 No.12254014 >>12254001 It doesn't give you hypoxia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:35:26 2020 No.12254038 >>12254014 That's not what I asked. So you do agree that a mask decreases the oxygen concentration in the air you inhale?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:39:38 2020 No.12254062

>>12254038
No, because the are behind the mask is not a closed space. The room air will still be normal. You're not just breathing in what's behind the mask. The masks are not completely airtight. It's a red herring and irrelevant when the blood oxygen level is normal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:43:34 2020 No.12254075 >>12254062 So explain why the meter measuring the air under the mask was showing a oxygen concentration of 17% whereas for the air outside the mask it showed an oxygen concentration of 21%

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:45:49 2020 No.12254086

>>12253946
I feel like you're changing the argument now, because you said severe hypoxia and now you're showing a video of mild hypoxia.

The mask video doesn't show us much of anything since those monitors aren't intended for use in a confined spot like that. It's likely just picking up his exhaled air, which is coincidentally about 16%. Would be interesting for him to actually stick the monitor in his mouth (not at the corner) without wearing the mask, I bet it would still trigger the alarm since the device can't adjust fast enough to compensate for the difference between inhaled and exhaled air. Again, we retain 1.2 liters of air every time we exhale, how the heck is a mask going to significantly alter that amount? That doesn't seem logical, we're always retaining our own air, and we inhale enough air with each breath that we'd have to pull air from outside the mask. Increased CO2 would lead to hypercapnia, and I've yet to read of that happening while wearing a surgical mask.

>How was that in insult?
Sure, it's not an insult at all to say people must not notice because they aren't relying on their cognition. We're all just stupid pencil pushers, we couldn't possibly have to use our brains at work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:49:40 2020 No.12254095 >>12254075 I'm no expert on air quality measuring units so who the fuck knows. That said, 17% isn't even that low and would absolutely not cause brain damage because of hypoxia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:51:33 2020 No.12254101 >>12246399 86F? For about half an hour???LITERALLY HOW But yeah, in a mask my endurance took a big hit. We’re not required to wear one where I work for this raisin

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:51:40 2020 No.12254102

>>12254086
>because you said severe hypoxia and now you're showing a video of mild hypoxia.
No anon, I explicitly said you wouldn't get anything close to that for wearing s mask. I just mentioned it to show you can't rely on your judgement of your own cognitive skills to determine whether or not they are impaired by lack of oxygen
Why are you even in this board if you can't keep up with a simple conversation?

Now explain to me why in the other video the meter showed an oxygen concentration under the mask of 17% while outside the mask it showed 21%

The monitor is being used precisely when your nose and mouth are.
They are showing the oxygen concentration in the pocket of your from which you are inhaling

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:53:34 2020 No.12254112 >>12254102 >Now explain to me why in the other video the meter showed an oxygen concentration under the mask of 17% while outside the mask it showed 21% Why does it matter when it obviously doesn't impact your blood oxygen level?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:53:47 2020 No.12254113

>>12254086
>It's likely just picking up his exhaled air, which is coincidentally about 16%.
I thought you where going to mention a scientific study but you are just giving me a loosely guessy reason of why I shouldn't believe what I am seeing
Sorry anon, that's no good enough

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:54:49 2020 No.12254117 >>12254112 First explain what I asked, let's not get all over the place

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 16:57:27 2020 No.12254125

>>12254095
>That said, 17% isn't even that low and would absolutely not cause brain damage because of hypoxia.
That's e enough to trigger the alarm and I don't wanna spend hours inhaling air with low oxygen %, much less am I gonna have my kids potentially stunting their development because of that

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:00:28 2020 No.12254144 >>12254125 In that case don't move to Denver.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:01:16 2020 No.12254148

>>12254102
>No anon, I explicitly said you wouldn't get anything close to that for wearing s mask.
Oh, so you didn't say this:
>>12253684
>But just so you know, even when you suffer severe hipoxia, you don't feel any less mentaly capable.

>Now explain to me why in the other video the meter showed an oxygen concentration under the mask of 17% while outside the mask it showed 21%
I already did explain it. Why would it magically stop at 17% if it's caused by air retention? The oxygen we exhale is always lower than the oxygen we exhale. If the mask is causing retention, then we'd inhale less oxygen each time, and exhale less oxygen each time. The number wouldn't just stabilize like that, it would continue to fall and you'd pass out. The meter is picking up exhaled air and doesn't have enough time to adjust for the inhaled breath. Even when he removes it from under the mask, you can see how slowly it adjusts to the ambient air. When he did the first test without the mask, he's breathing right past the meter, he should have placed it in his mouth so the meter would detect his exhaled breath. If the small amount air that a mask retains is dangerous, then we should all be dead from the much more substantial amount of air that we retain in our respiratory tracts after every exhale.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:31:24 2020 No.12254274 >>12254112 wait why is that obvious?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:32:14 2020 No.12254276

>>12254148
>Oh, so you didn't say this:
I did also say this:
>>12253751
>Of course i'm not suggesting that you'd get anything close to that by wearing a mask, it's just to show how your own judgement on your brain's level of performance is not reliable, especially if you are not putting peak demand on your cognitive skills.

>I already did explain it. Why would it magically stop at 17% if it's caused by air retention?

You didn't seriously asked me this did you?
This is what pisses me off. I assume people are able to meet a minimum baseline of intelligence but more often than not I realize what a mistake it was.
It's not magic. Can't you just think for a moment? Try using your brain???
When you exhale air, with a mask, the region under the mask forms a pocket of air. That pocket of air will be made out of the air you exhale, before it's completely released in the open. That air you exhale still has oxygen, but at a lower concentration. The 17% is the oxygen concentration of the air you exhale mixed with some of the air under the mask.
> The meter is picking up exhaled air and doesn't have enough time to adjust for the inhaled breath.
He leaves the meter there for a while, measuring that pocket of air. The reading doesn't fluctuate, it reaches then it stays at 17% while under the mask. Not a delay of adjustment.
>he should have placed it in his mouth so the meter would detect his exhaled breath.
The point of the meter is measuring the air going in, if anything, placing the meter slightly on the side would help give it a higher % of oxygen.
> then we should all be dead from the much more substantial amount of air that we retain in our respiratory tracts after every exhale.
No, that's just stupid as fuck, doesn't even warrant a response. You are not recycling the air in your tracts

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:32:36 2020 No.12254278 >>12253657 I have to wear a mask all day at work and on public transportation to/from, and get dirty looks for not wearing it other places

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:38:07 2020 No.12254298 >>12254274 Stick a pulse oximeter on your finger and you'll find out

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:41:02 2020 No.12254305 >>12254298 Do that while running a marathon. You'll get the same reading. Doesn't mean you should spend all day feeling like you are running a marathon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:41:22 2020 No.12254307 >>12254298 Is it really obvious if it requires me to go buy medical equipment to verify

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:44:59 2020 No.12254322 >>12254307 youtube dot com mask pulse oximeter wa la

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:47:34 2020 No.12254338 >>12254322 dont avoid my reply >>12254305

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:48:23 2020 No.12254343 >>12254322 What's the reason people feel more out-of-breath when they wear masks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:49:18 2020 No.12254350 >>12254343 Psychological.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:51:42 2020 No.12254360 >>12254350 What science are you basing this on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:52:39 2020 No.12254364 >>12254350 nah, that be more like your hysteria over this "virus"

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:53:22 2020 No.12254370 >>12254360 Physiology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 17:59:53 2020 No.12254398 >>12254370 This is the what the science behind this pandemic ordeal looks like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:03:58 2020 No.12254413 >>12254398 People think they are choking when you stick a tube (i.e. bronchoscopy) down their throat as well even if their vitals are completely normal. It's just the way it works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:06:10 2020 No.12254419 >>12254413 LOL, you felt the need to reply to this one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:09:39 2020 No.12254436 >>12254419 sue me

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:10:15 2020 No.12254440 >>12254436 How about you just reply to me here >>12254305

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:11:30 2020 No.12254444 >>12254440 >comparing wearing a mask is like running a marathon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:12:23 2020 No.12254450 >>12254444 You are the one talking about the o oxymeter as the litmus test. I just proved you wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:13:58 2020 No.12254458 >>12254450 What are you even on about

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:16:03 2020 No.12254477 >>12254458 It's pretty clear you can't understand

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:39:39 2020 No.12254552 >>12254477 It's also pretty clear what anon was talking about, if you stick an oximeter on someone who's been running, they will not show lower oxygen levels despite being out-of-breath. Is their out-of-breathness psychological?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:50:28 2020 No.12254579

>>12254276
>That air you exhale still has oxygen, but at a lower concentration. The 17% is the oxygen concentration of the air you exhale mixed with some of the air under the mask.
And you'll inhale it again, yes? And then you'll exhale even less oxygen. Rinse and repeat. It wouldn't magically stop at the level that we exhale air at when at 21% ambient oxygen. That tells you the device is only reading the air that's being exhaled and not the new incoming air.

>The reading doesn't fluctuate, it reaches then it stays at 17% while under the mask.
Exactly, because it can't adjust to every breath, so it's not giving an accurate reading. Not surprising, because the device is meant to be used it much larger areas without major oxygen fluctuations.

>The point of the meter is measuring the air going in, if anything, placing the meter slightly on the side would help give it a higher % of oxygen.
The point is we're all exhaling air at a lower percentage than what we inhaled. He places it at the corner of his mouth without the mask on to show what it's measuring, but that's a bullshit comparison, because it's measuring ambient air and not his breath. If he places it in his mouth so it's forced to calculate his exhaled air (the same as it does with the mask), you would see the oxygen level drop.

>You are not recycling the air in your tracts
So you're telling me the air that's remaining in the mouth, sinuses, and esophagus after an exhale isn't being pulled back into the lungs? I'd love for you to explain that to me.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:53:21 2020 No.12254588

>>12254276
Also, since you work in the super secret airline business that you can't discuss, I thought you might like this study. Even at simulated 5k feet at 17.61% oxygen (rather than sea level 21%), masks caused no adverse effects.

https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2554&context=publication
The COVID-19 pandemic has required people to take new measures to mitigate the spread of the communicable
virus. Guidelines from health organizations, government offices, and universities have been disseminated.
Adherence to these guidelines cannot be more critical for flight training. This study explored the effects face masks
had on CO2, heart rate, respiration rate, and oxygen saturation while wearing a face mask at an oxygen level
simulated to 5,000 feet. Thirty-two instructor pilots (IP) volunteered to participate in the study. IPs spent 90 minutes
in a normobaric chamber while wearing a cloth face mask or a paper face mask. Participants were measured before
entering the chamber, at the 15-minute mark, at the 45-minute mark, at the 90-minute mark, and after exiting the
chamber where they briefly removed their mask for a final measurement. No differences were found between type
of face mask. Wearing face masks did not present any potential health or safety issues for the IPs. However, IPs did
report moderate dislikes (e.g., comfort, issues with fatigue, restriction of movement) of wearing face masks.
Although face masks may be a nuisance, it does not appear to create any health or safety issues at a simulated
altitude of 5,000 feet

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:55:08 2020 No.12254594

>>12254298
Already posted about this. I wear a mask 8 hours at work with it off only for lunch, and my pulse oximeter never reads less than 98%. The explanation I got from another anon is that my brain is actually starving of oxygen while the rest of my body is magically fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 18:56:26 2020 No.12254601 Asians run around with masks all the time and nothing happens. Why is anyone even arguing with that fucking troll? I ran 5 km two days ago with a mask on and three sheets of kitchen paper in there and I'm fine. Go see a doctor with your hamster lungs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:00:46 2020 No.12254616 >>12254305 Are you suggesting masks lower oxygen saturation, or that marathons don't? Endurance athletes can experience large drops in oxygen saturation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:02:11 2020 No.12254625 >>12254588 if it causes fatigue isn't that a sign of adverse health effects?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:03:48 2020 No.12254633 >>12254616 have you seen videos on youtube where people read their saturation after wearing a mask for 8 hours?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:06:19 2020 No.12254648 >>12243056 OP, brainlets belong in >>>/b/ not /sci/ I suggest you go there and stay out of /sci/

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:09:17 2020 No.12254666

>>12254625
Sure, and I suppose conferences are health adverse because I often feel drowsy during them.

Seriously, there's no control, you couldn't even really have one because the experimental group would know they're wearing masks, and their subjective level of fatigue was still pretty low despite wearing a mask and being at simulated 5k feet.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:09:36 2020 No.12254668

>>12254579
>And you'll inhale it again, yes? And then you'll exhale even less oxygen. Rinse and repeat. It wouldn't magically stop at the level that we exhale air at when at 21% ambient oxygen.
No, that would be the case if the mask was sealed, but since it isn't you just have a delay in the air that's exhaled being released into the open, that delay is what causes you to recycle some of the air you just exhaled, thus breathing air with lesx O2 %
>That tells you the device is only reading the air that's being exhaled and not the new incoming air.
No it's reading the pocket of air air from which you inhaled. It's not entirely the air you just exhaled but has a good chunk of it.

>That tells you the device is only reading the air that's being exhaled and not the new incoming air.
>but that's a bullshit comparison, because it's measuring ambient air and not his breath.
Which statement do you wanna go with?

>So you're telling me the air that's remaining in the mouth, sinuses, and esophagus after an exhale isn't being pulled back into the lungs? I'd love for you to explain that to me.
Not after it completes the inhale/exhale cycle.

>>12254588
>Also, since you work in the super secret airline business that you can't discuss, I thought you might like this study. Even at simulated 5k feet at 17.61% oxygen (rather than sea level 21%), masks caused no adverse effects.
How many months/years did the subjets spend in that enviroment and what were the parameters that they used to compared against the control group?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:10:20 2020 No.12254671 >>12254633 For exercise or for masks? I call bullshit on the masks unless they're wearing respirators.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:10:52 2020 No.12254673 >>12254666 >Sure, and I suppose conferences are health adverse because I often feel drowsy during them. So fatigue is not an adverse effect? Is it good or bad the feel fatigued serevel hours a day everyday?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:13:07 2020 No.12254680 >>12254666 Are you suggesting mask-induced drowsiness and conference-induced drowsiness are caused by similar phenomena?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:14:09 2020 No.12254684

>>12254671
For masks. Some guy earlier in the thread was arguing that masks can't cause oxygen loss because there are Youtube videos of people wearing a mask and using a pulse oximeter. But what about long-term mask use, like how endurance runners can experience low oxygen?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:14:12 2020 No.12254685 >>12254594 >the body will cut off oxygen to the most important organ to the point of permanent brain damage with slight drops in oxygen levels Hate to break it to you but I think that anon might be a little off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:15:05 2020 No.12254688 >>12254680 That's just the kind of reasoning they have to resort to in order to justify this.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:15:40 2020 No.12254689

>>12254668
>Which statement do you wanna go with?
Both. You're clearly not getting it. He's measuring ambient air without the mask and not placing the sensor in a position that could even detect his exhaled breath. I've seen multiple people use these same devices as proof, and none of them are blowing directly on the sensor without the mask to see what would happen.

>Not after it completes the inhale/exhale cycle.
That's a yes, you're saying it will be inhaled again. You're always taking back in some of your exhaled air.

>How many months/years did the subjets spend in that enviroment and what were the parameters that they used to compared against the control group?
Feel free to write the people who did the study, maybe you can also ask them to provide the regulation you were talking about earlier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:16:50 2020 No.12254692 >>12254680 Are you suggesting they couldn't be drowsy for reasons besides the masks? Is your fatigue at a 1 for the entire day, all the time?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:22:07 2020 No.12254710

>>12254684
Well endurance athletes have significant drops in oxygen saturation and by most accounts, aerobic exercise is healthy. To suggest that masks, which aren't causing drops in oxygen saturation, are managing to damage organs as some have stated seems like a huge stretch.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:22:20 2020 No.12254712

>>12254689
No, dude, I don't even know what to say at this point.
The kind of stuff I keep seeing in this thread to convince you to not believe what you see.
The meter is measuring the o2 % in the pocket of air under the mask. It's as simple as that. What you are sugesting is as if there was a sealed chamber in the corner of his mouth and another different on right out of his mouth. Like, calling this stupid doesn't even begin to cover it.
Let this be warning of those wondering if they should wear a mask or not or whether or not they should make their kids wear one.
This is the kind of people telling you it's fine and that you should just do as you are told.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:22:49 2020 No.12254716

>>12254692
Yes. You need to sleep better anon. I assume when the authors of the study wrote
>However, IPs did report moderate dislikes (e.g., comfort, issues with fatigue, restriction of movement) of wearing face masks.
they were noting a correlation between mask-wearing and self-reported fatigue

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:24:23 2020 No.12254728

>>12254710
You're missing my point and attributing things to me that I never said like "organ damage".
Short-term exercise does not register on an oximeter, however long-term exercise may
Short-term mask use does not register on an oximeter.
Is it possible that long-term mask use does? Has this ever been tested?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:25:04 2020 No.12254733 >>12254689 >Feel free to write the people who did the study, maybe you can also ask them to provide the regulation you were talking about earlier. Got it! it's a useless study

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:27:02 2020 No.12254738 >>12254712 When someone is wearing a mask and has a 98% saturation are those numbers fake?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:29:38 2020 No.12254748 >>12254738 There are at least 3 iterations through this argument in the thread.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:31:57 2020 No.12254756

>>12254712
You're still not getting it, and in fact these videos have been debunked by people who actually understand how those devices work. The device is perfectly measuring exhaled air that is being trapped while not measuring the incoming air, which is giving a false reading. I don't know how many more ways I can explain it.

>>12254716
>they were noting a correlation between mask-wearing and self-reported fatigue
Yup. Too bad there's no group that didn't wear masks as a comparison, which I already mentioned. Don't you think sitting in an enclosed chamber at 17% oxygen might be a little boring, causing fatigue? At this point you're having to argue over something that's subjective because the objective numbers aren't agreeing with you.

>>12254728
>Short-term exercise does not register on an oximeter
Not sure where you're getting that from, exercise can drop oxygen saturation in a hurry, within minutes. Meanwhile I've worn a mask for 8 hours with no drop. If I'm not being damaged by exercise that's clearly lowering my oxygen saturation, then why should I be concerned about a mask that isn't?

>>12254733
Yes, and your made-up regulation isn't useful either.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:35:19 2020 No.12254767

>>12254738
Apparently oxygen saturation isn't a valid measure. When it clearly drops (during exercise), it's not bad at all, but when it doesn't drop while wearing a mask, it means we're experiencing brain damage because our bodies are willing to starve the most important organ to feed everything else.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:36:17 2020 No.12254771

>>12254756
>You're still not getting it, and in fact these videos have been debunked by people who actually understand how those devices work.
Feel free to link this debunkings but I'm pretty sure it goes like what you say next
> The device is perfectly measuring exhaled air that is being trapped while not measuring the incoming air, which is giving a false reading.
Like, at this point I think you have down syndrome. I'd appreciate if there is a physicist in the thread who could explain the mechanics of gases. I simply don't have to patience or the will to keep indulging this retardation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:38:15 2020 No.12254773 >>12254771 >Feel free to link this debunkings but I'm pretty sure it goes like what you say next I'll happily do that once you provide this regulation you've been talking about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:41:23 2020 No.12254787 >>12254767 >because our bodies are willing to starve the most important organ to feed everything else. you're thinking of your body like it's a thinking being in its own right

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:42:09 2020 No.12254792

>>12254771
>>12254773
You know what, I won't even make you provide it, since you won't, and I can actually prove my own point.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/video-presents-flawed-test-on-masks-oxygen-levels/

MSA Safety, the manufacturer of the device used by Neff — an ALTAIR 5X Multigas Detector — also told us that there are issues with using the device for such a test.

“Although the ALTAIR 5X detects the ambient levels of oxygen, carbon monoxide and other gases, it is not designed for the use shown,” Samantha D’Uva, a spokeswoman for the company, said in an email. “It is a portable gas detector designed for applications where there is a need to detect potentially hazardous or combustible atmospheres in factories, rooms, work areas, and confined spaces much larger than the area inside a face covering.”

D’Uva continued: “When used to sample the air behind a face mask, the wearer’s exhaled breath would displace oxygen and subsequently put the ALTAIR 5X into oxygen alarm. The same thing would happen if you simply exhaled into the sample line. Due to the response and recovery time of the oxygen sensor, combined with the small space inside of the mask, the readings would not have time to reset before the next exhalation, resulting in a continuous alarm.”

That's exactly what I said. Why do none of these videos show a test without a mask where the person exhales directly onto the device? The alarm would go off, but then they wouldn't be able to claim it's the fault of the mask.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:42:53 2020 No.12254795

>>12254773
https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2019/01/29/flying-above-5000-cabin-altitude/
>In summary, when a pressurized piston or turboprop aircraft is in the high 20 flight levels and operating just as it was designed (cabin altitude of 10,000–12,000 feet), the pilot’s body is only being supplied with half the oxygen available at sea level. This, in turn, triggers the Bohr effect, further decreasing the amount of oxygen available to the brain and heart, which if the pilot is of mature age, are already compromised due to the narrowing of blood vessels. … Given this physiologic reality, is it really safe for pilots with grey hair and some common health issues such as elevated cholesterol, high blood pressure, and possible arterial narrowing, to operate pressurized aircraft at their highest legal altitudes with cabin altitudes? The answer is probably not. But, if the pilot is willing, some steps can be taken to lower the physiologic risk to a more acceptable level, and it involves the use of supplemental oxygen.

This is an article talking about the effects that high cabin altitude has on pilots

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:43:14 2020 No.12254797

>>12254756
>If I'm not being damaged by exercise that's clearly lowering my oxygen saturation, then why should I be concerned about a mask that isn't?
The oxygen saturation is bad for your body though, just not emergency-inducingly bad and the negative effects are outweighed by the positive effects of the exercise. Not so much with masks

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:45:48 2020 No.12254802 >>12254797 so we have 321 posts now and there's literally been nothing posted to suggests masks reduce oxygen saturation

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:49:17 2020 No.12254812 >>12254802 there's the fact that many people feel more out-of-breath after e.g. going up a flight of stairs wearing a mask than they normally would It might not have happened to you but it's a very real phenomenon.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:50:27 2020 No.12254815

>>12254792
>D’Uva continued: “When used to sample the air behind a face mask, the wearer’s exhaled breath would displace oxygen and subsequently put the ALTAIR 5X into oxygen alarm. The same thing would happen if you simply exhaled into the sample line. Due to the response and recovery time of the oxygen sensor, combined with the small space inside of the mask, the readings would not have time to reset before the next exhalation, resulting in a continuous alarm.”
The problem is that you are inhaling that>>12254792
>the readings would not have time to reset before the next exhalation, resulting in a continuous alarm.”
If the reading is not reseting it means the % is not chaging for the meter. If it's not changing for the meter it's not chaging for your nose.
If what you are saying is true, we would see the % going up at some point as the air being inhaled and then having a delay to drop again.
What was stated makes no sense becuae it implies the meter can immediately pick up a variation as the O2% drops but not as it incrieses (which should be the case as you inhale, if his claim was true)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:51:58 2020 No.12254824 >>12254795 >The best solution to recognizing the gradual onset of hypoxia is to wear a pulse oximeter anytime the cabin altitude is above 5,000 feet. Oh no no no anon.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:52:04 2020 No.12254825

>>12254797
Doses of mild hypoxia may actually be beneficial.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073945/
Intermittent hypoxia (IH) is most often thought of for its role in morbidity associated with sleep-disordered breathing, including central nervous system pathology. However, recent evidence suggests that the nervous system fights back in an attempt to minimize pathology by increasing the expression of growth/trophic factors that confer neuroprotection and neuroplasticity. For example, even modest (“low dose”) IH elicits respiratory motor plasticity, increasing the strength of respiratory contractions and breathing. These low IH doses upregulate hypoxia-sensitive growth/trophic factors within respiratory motoneurons but do not elicit detectable pathologies such as hippocampal cell death, neuroinflammation, or systemic hypertension. Recent advances have been made toward understanding cellular mechanisms giving rise to IH-induced respiratory plasticity, and attempts have been made to harness the benefits of low-dose IH to treat respiratory insufficiency after cervical spinal injury. Our recent realization that IH also upregulates growth/trophic factors in nonrespiratory motoneurons and improves limb (or leg) function after incomplete chronic spinal injuries suggests that IH-induced plasticity is a general feature of motor systems. Collectively, available evidence suggests that low-dose IH may represent a safe and effective treatment to restore lost motor function in diverse clinical disorders that impair motor function.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:53:54 2020 No.12254831 >>12254815 You're literally arguing with the people who manufactured the device and explained how it's meant to be used and the flaw in how it's being used in those videos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:55:34 2020 No.12254837 >>12254815 It's fucking irrelevant what that device measures when we can literally measure the blood oxygen levels. How hard is it to understand?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:56:29 2020 No.12254839

>>12254824
Why do I need to keep going over what I already said.
>>12253751
>Just google people dying from hypoxia in a hypobaric chamber. Of course i'm not suggesting that you'd get anything close to that by wearing a mask, it's just to show how your own judgement on your brain's level of performance is not reliable, especially if you are not putting peak demand on your cognitive skills.

But did you read the part I posted on the greentext here >>12254795
You don't need to be going through hypoxia to have the high altitude enviroment taking a toll on your body.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:57:52 2020 No.12254846 >>12254831 Ok, so for some reason the device immediatelly picks up as the O2% goes down, but not when it goes up. Makes perfect sense... if you are an idiot.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:58:41 2020 No.12254848

>>12254839
>You don't need to be going through hypoxia to have the high altitude enviroment taking a toll on your body.
That entire article was about the dangers of hypoxia and that it's measurable using a pulse oximeter. Thus if the pulse oximeter reads normal, you're not in any danger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:58:55 2020 No.12254849 >>12254837 this again My God...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:59:46 2020 No.12254851 >>12254846 >Makes perfect sense... if you are an idiot. Kek. Yes anon, you know more than the people who made the device.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 19:59:57 2020 No.12254853

>>12254848
Read this part very carefully
>In summary, when a pressurized piston or turboprop aircraft is in the high 20 flight levels and operating just as it was designed (cabin altitude of 10,000–12,000 feet), the pilot’s body is only being supplied with half the oxygen available at sea level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:01:57 2020 No.12254856 >>12254849 How do you define hypoxia? Room oxygen levels?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:02:19 2020 No.12254858 >>12254851 Considering the device manufacturer decided o go out of their way to comment on that, which has nothing to do with their business, I'd say there is a chance they are not being super objective.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:02:33 2020 No.12254859

>>12254853
And? The danger is hypoxia, measurable with a pulse ox. If your oxygen isn't dropping, you're not hypoxic. Your argument has been that masks lower oxygen, but that it isn't reflected in oxygen saturation, which is absurd and your own article goes against what you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:03:21 2020 No.12254862 >>12254856 Why are you talking about hypoxia anyway?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:03:34 2020 No.12254863 >>12254858 >which has nothing to do with their business Misuse of their device has nothing to do with their business?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:04:23 2020 No.12254866 >>12254859 I never said you have to be hypoxic to have adverse effects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:04:51 2020 No.12254867 >>12254853 >piston or turboprop Oh anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:05:27 2020 No.12254868 >>12254863 If someone uses their device as a paper weight are they gonna make a video about that too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:07:51 2020 No.12254873 >>12254862 Because that's the medical definition of having an inadequate supply of oxygen which is what you've spent the whole thread arguing happens when you were a mask.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:08:01 2020 No.12254874

>>12254866
No, you're arguing it's starving the brain of oxygen while not being reflected in the oxygen saturation. That's ridiculous. The brain uses the same red blood cells as the rest of the body, how is it independently going to be starved when there's no drop in oxygen saturation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:09:04 2020 No.12254878 >>12254868 If they try to read the oxygen level of the paper, they might.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:10:37 2020 No.12254884 >>12254873 No, I never said you have to be hypoxic to be suffering adverse effects. read the thread again

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:11:40 2020 No.12254886 >>12254874 So you don't really now anything about neuroscience, unlike me. I understand your confusion now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:12:38 2020 No.12254890 >>12254884 Weren't you well versed in physiology?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:12:59 2020 No.12254892 >>12254878 A a piece of paper has an oxygen level, like the air being inhaled under the mask? Is that what you believe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:14:01 2020 No.12254895 >>12254890 That's why i'm refering you to my previous posts in the thread. I'm not gonna explain myself again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:17:31 2020 No.12254903 >>12254886 Really, that's what you're resorting to now? You can't prove your point so it's basically coming down to calling others stupid with no effort at all to support your claim?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:19:22 2020 No.12254908 >>12254903 I'm just tired. It's clear to me that unless i'm willing to write an encyclopedia in this thread people are not gonna change their minds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:20:24 2020 No.12254910 >>12254908 And I'd have to post detailed references too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:24:41 2020 No.12254922 >>12254874 Despite making up 2% of the body, brains commit 20% of oxygen consumption, so an obstruction to oxygen is going to disproportionately affect the brain

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:26:46 2020 No.12254929 >>12254922 But a mask wouldn't be considered an obstruction my /pol/tard friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:27:53 2020 No.12254933 >>12254922 >so an obstruction to oxygen is going to disproportionately affect the brain Which would be reflected in oxygen saturation. No hypoxia, no brain starvation, especially when the brain gets dibs on hemoglobin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:29:21 2020 No.12254938 >>12254929 Do us a favor, wear your mask to sleep a let us know tomorrow when you wake up how you feel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:33:07 2020 No.12254953 >>12254938 Slept on the airplane for 2.5 hours with a mask a week ago 2bh. I felt fine. Now I'm stuck in quarantine drinking beer and whiskey.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:33:24 2020 No.12254954

>>12254929
I mean obstruction in any sense, anything which results in results in cells receiving less oxygen.
>>12254933
acktually "no brain starvation, no hypoxia", converse doesn't hold.

Question for you two, if there was activity/condition that, while not causing a decrease in your oxygen saturation, caused your body to work harder to maintain that saturation. Is this thing bad for you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:34:19 2020 No.12254961 >>12254953 Sure, now sleep with the mask on and report back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:35:22 2020 No.12254965 >>12254961 for the whole 8 hours

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:37:24 2020 No.12254972

>>12254965
In fact, lets put this discussion to rest
Do this for the next month and tell us how you feel after. Tell us how you felt during the day, any adverse effects etc.
This should give us a very good idea of the long term effects of continuous mask use.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:37:52 2020 No.12254975

>>12254954
>if there was activity/condition that, while not causing a decrease in your oxygen saturation, caused your body to work harder to maintain that saturation. Is this thing bad for you?
Like moderate exercise and living at elevation? I'm going with a hard no, and even if I said yes, other than a really crummy video that the manufacturer disputed, you haven't proven masks force the body to work harder to maintain oxygen saturation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:39:15 2020 No.12254981 >>12254972 >This should give us a very good idea of the long term effects of continuous mask use. We already learned that with surgeons. It's fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:40:30 2020 No.12254986 >>12254975 What's an example of something that would prove that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:41:26 2020 No.12254990 >>12254961 >>12254965 Kek. Tell you what, I'll do that if you let someone with SARS-CoV-2 sneeze in your face.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:41:53 2020 No.12254993 >>12254981 Surgeons only spend a quarter of their work-time in the operating theatre

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:43:36 2020 No.12255000 >>12254981 No, they have schedules, rotations and an optimal enviroment to work. Do what I said sleep with a mask on for the next month. If you are right, this shouldn't cause you any harm and you'd be helping to convince people to wear the mask.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:45:49 2020 No.12255005 >>12254990 I don't wanna get the flu or herpes or meningitis. And that's just bad higiene. But I'll make a deal with you. I'm willing talk to someone who tested positive for this upclose with no mask, the same way i've always talked to anybody.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:46:47 2020 No.12255008 >>12255000 I already wear one 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, I've been doing it for four months, and I've had no issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:48:16 2020 No.12255013 >>12255008 But when you are sleeping you breathing rate goes down and your heart rate goes down. If there is adverse effects in wearing a mask, they will be amplified if you wear them while sleeping.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:49:26 2020 No.12255015 >>12255008 Have you exercised in a mask?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:51:46 2020 No.12255022 >>12255015 I run three days per week, which often involves getting near people, so I've been wearing a mask while doing so. Doesn't seem to be an issue.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:52:48 2020 No.12255026

>>12254954
>Question for you two, if there was activity/condition that, while not causing a decrease in your oxygen saturation, caused your body to work harder to maintain that saturation. Is this thing bad for you?
The beautiful thing about the body is that it has a remarkable way of adjusting/adapting. And despite what was claimed earlier the brain is not cut off or deprioritized. The brain needs fresh oxygen and fuel (glucose)and it has its very own well developed regulatory system to maintain proper supply.

That said, I was thinking about something along those lines earlier. COPD has chronic reduced oxygen supply, so it would be interesting to see if that would cause an effect on the brain in the long run. I don't know. But in COPD you have actual measurable lower oxygen levels, which are nowhere close to what we measure while wearing masks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:56:23 2020 No.12255035 >>12255022 >I had covid and I was fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:57:53 2020 No.12255042 >>12255026 The fact that the body maintains homeostasis very well negates the "if masks impeded your breathing then it would show on the oximeter" argument for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 20:58:55 2020 No.12255047 >>12255035 Lol, funny how it also works the other way around

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:00:32 2020 No.12255052 >>12255042 literally how

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:04:32 2020 No.12255068 >>12255052 Your body compensates for the impaired breathing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:10:57 2020 No.12255083 >>12255068 If there were significant compensatory mechanisms happening you would notice. No?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:13:05 2020 No.12255088 >>12255083 In general no, plus there are people who say wearing a mask makes them feel worse

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:18:41 2020 No.12255108 >>12255088 (you would) What someone say they feel is pretty subjective and nonspecific. Anyway. I'm off to bed. Despite our differences I appreciate the fairly civil discourse.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:22:46 2020 No.12255114

>>12255108
Doesn't matter if it's subjective or nonspecific, it's them noticing something. In general when something's wrong with you, you don't feel it as a precise scientific system, you just don't feel good. On the other hand, you might not notice anything, it's not as if you have complete body awareness.
Nighty night fren

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:27:16 2020 No.12255125 >>12255114 >what are phobias The body is not always the best messenger. >On the other hand, you might not notice anything, it's not as if you have complete body awareness True, but we have objective ways of measuring that everything is fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:37:16 2020 No.12255157 >>12255125 No we don't, we have ways of narrowing down probabilities of things being wrong but medical science is far from perfect. I don't buy into your strict mind/body dualism.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:48:25 2020 No.12255193

>>12255088
>In general no
Raised CO2 increases respiratory rate and heart rate. That's the compensatory mechanism.

>plus there are people who say wearing a mask makes them feel worse
Sure, and there's people who don't say that, and there's objective measures we can look at that show that for most people, there should be little or no risk. If someone feels awful wearing a mask, then I hope they're in a situation where they can minimize wearing one, but I'd also recommend they avoid catching SARS-CoV-2, because if a mask causes respiratory issues, then they're likely in a very high risk group.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:51:08 2020 No.12255201

>>12255193
>Raised CO2 increases respiratory rate and heart rate. That's the compensatory mechanism.
I never said anything about raised CO2. Is that an effect you think masks have?
> and there's objective measures we can look at that show that for most people, there should be little or no risk.
things besides pulse oximeters?

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:53:42 2020 No.12255204

>>12255201
>I never said anything about raised CO2. Is that an effect you think masks have?
If you're rebreathing gases based on your argument, that would include CO2, yes?

>things besides pulse oximeters?
Heart rate, respiratory rate, CO2 and oxygen saturation, blood pressure, bicarbonate.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:57:11 2020 No.12255210

>>12255204
>If you're rebreathing gases based on your argument, that would include CO2, yes?
wasn't me
>Heart rate, respiratory rate
Explain how we have looked heart rates and respiratory rates and shown that for most people there is little or no risk (also, risk of what?)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 21:58:44 2020 No.12255213 >>12255210 >wasn't me Oh good, so what's your reasoning against masks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 22:03:38 2020 No.12255229 >>12255213 They make me feel worse while I wear them, and I am dubious about their efficacy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 22:05:52 2020 No.12255237 >>12255229 Well I don't particularly enjoy wearing them, though I tend to forget I have one on after a while. I do think they're efficacious, but that's another issue for another time. Good night, anon.

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 22:12:51 2020 No.12255258

>>12255237
Night fren, I'm curious to know why you don't enjoy wearing them, although I don't wish to encourage insomnia. I think they are effective in a non-zero way, but it's such a small effect that it's outweighed by the inconvenience and various other costs, and are probably actively harmful if you don't follow proper hygienic protocol.

Anonymous Wed Oct 21 00:19:51 2020 No.12255558

>>12243621
This is garbage tier """arguments""'

https://www.volksverpetzer.de/corona-faktencheck/griesz-brisson-zerlegt/

>>12243651
Almost. She is speaking out of her ass and outside her field, all without evidence.

>>12243675
>exhaled CO2 is different than normal CO2
Up next, is your body consuming the right race of O2? Find out in aryan news 14

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 01:59:04 2020 No.12255747 File: 141 KB, 1024x684, 1573486230356.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >viruses are so small, masks don't block them from getting out >masks block CO2 from getting out Why are you feeding the troll again?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 03:37:39 2020 No.12255952 >>12243843 What about surgeons and dentists that have to wear masks for long periods of time as a part of their job?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 05:58:08 2020 No.12256175 >>12255952 Surgeons and dentists are typically neurologically developed by the time they've entered the career, plus they aren't wearing a mask continuously, the majority of their time is not spent in the operating room / dental zone

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