/sfg/ - Space Flight General: Martian Moss Edition

[Anonymous No.12230879]

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[Anonymous No.12230885]

>>12230879
first for methalox airbreathing linear aerospike spaceplanes

[Anonymous No.12230887]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.12230888]

>>12230879
First for Yenisei

[Anonymous No.12230889]

>>12230885
delet this

[Anonymous No.12230890]

Environmentalism is antienvironmentalism. Nature should be left to struggle on its own so that natural selection culls the unfit.

[Anonymous No.12230896]

>>12230889
delete it yourself hullo man

[Anonymous No.12230904]

>>12230888
Checked, how many more decades until this rocket flies?

[Anonymous No.12230908]

>>12230888
Checked for things that will never happen

[Anonymous No.12230909]

How much pushback will nasa get when it tries to put a SMR like kilopower into space? So far they seem not to get too much about the rtgs on rovers and probes, but this is,much bigger

[Anonymous No.12230931]

>>12230909
depends on how good their marketing spins it

[Anonymous No.12230932]

>>12230681
>fuck it looks so scifi but what are they gonna use it for?
Apparently it's a test platform for space radiators (those unfolding things). If everything will work as intended, we will have space ships that use nuclear power and ion engines to move around. TI've read somewhere that this one will have enough fuel to last 10 years of constant work.

[Anonymous No.12230935]

>>12230909
About tree fiddy.
It's hard to say, most greenfags need some kind of cause to feel good about themselfs&get attention.
So it all depends on one of them finding out about it and throwing a shitfit, and then the media jumping on it.
On the goverment side i think there wont be much of a problem.

[Anonymous No.12230945]

>>12230935
>10 years of constant trust
Alpha centauri exploration sats when?

[Anonymous No.12230970]

[Anonymous No.12230987]

>>12230970
would've been quicker

[Anonymous No.12230990]

Cryogenic Fluid Management Technology Demonstration
NASA and industry partners have developed and tested numerous technologies to enable long-term cryogenic fluid management, which is essential for establishing a sustainable presence on the Moon and enabling crewed missions to Mars. Implementation of the technologies in operational missions requires further maturation through in-space demonstrations.

Eta Space of Merritt Island, Florida, $27 million
Small-scale flight demonstration of a complete cryogenic oxygen fluid management system. As proposed, the system will be the primary payload on a Rocket Lab Photon satellite and collect critical cryogenic fluid management data in orbit for nine months. The small business will collaborate with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, NASA’s Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, and NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

Lockheed Martin of Littleton, Colorado, $89.7 million
In-space demonstration mission using liquid hydrogen – the most challenging of the cryogenic propellants – to test more than a dozen cryogenic fluid management technologies, positioning them for infusion into future space systems. Lockheed Martin will collaborate with Marshall and Glenn.

SpaceX of Hawthorne, California, $53.2 million
Large-scale flight demonstration to transfer 10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant, specifically liquid oxygen, between tanks on a Starship vehicle. SpaceX will collaborate with Glenn and Marshall.

United Launch Alliance (ULA) of Centennial, Colorado, $86.2 million
Demonstration of a smart propulsion cryogenic system, using liquid oxygen and hydrogen, on a Vulcan Centaur upper stage. The system will test precise tank pressure control, tank-to-tank transfer, and multi-week propellant storage. ULA will collaborate with Marshall, Kennedy, and Glenn.

[Anonymous No.12230996]

>>12230879
Where is the OC?

[Anonymous No.12231006]

>>12230990
>Large-scale flight demonstration to transfer 10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant, specifically liquid oxygen, between tanks on a Starship vehicle. SpaceX will collaborate with Glenn and Marshall.

[Anonymous No.12231010]

I'm just gonna leave this here.
https://youtu.be/ctkvNHkwJmQ

[Anonymous No.12231011]

>>12230990
Shelby must be apoplectic.

[Anonymous No.12231018]

>>12230990
link

[Anonymous No.12231023]

>>12231018
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/solicitations/tipping_points/2020_selections/

also some smaller grants for ISRU stuff

[Anonymous No.12231025]

>>12230990
The age of the Depot has arrived.

[Anonymous No.12231033]

>>12231011
Fuck Shelby.

[Anonymous No.12231050]

When will the Martian independence wars happen? Imagine killing the Terran ambassador by hiding explosives beneath their landing pad.

[Anonymous No.12231061]

>>12231050
Earth comes first, we will crush you jelly babies and smash your wives turned comfort women pelvises into dust.

[Anonymous No.12231070]

[Anonymous No.12231072]

>>12231006
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.12231074]

>>12231061
Yeah come after us into the hills it’ll go real well
*Afghan noises*

[Anonymous No.12231075]

>>12231070
Could the K-1 ever have worked?

[Anonymous No.12231078]

How astronauts dont get deaf from launch?

[Anonymous No.12231083]

>>12231075
nk-33s wouldn't have been as reusable as merlins and they probably would have blown up at least once antares-style. there's no reason it couldn't have worked though.

[Anonymous No.12231085]

>>12231078
Headphones.

[Anonymous No.12231089]

>>12231078
if all goes well the loud end of the rocket is pointed directly away from them

[Anonymous No.12231090]

>>12231074
>nukes you from orbit

[Anonymous No.12231093]

>>12230879
>commas
Jesus Christ, that was hard to read. My inner English teacher kept twitching.

[Anonymous No.12231100]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1316417597257129985


NOOOO NOT THE DEPOTS

DELETE THIS
CANCEL THIS

[Anonymous No.12231102]

>>12230890
To a degree. I'm in favor of preventing extinctions through direct human impacts like deforestation. But if, say, an eruption is going to happen and wipe out some ultraspecialized flower, that flower has fucked itself and I don't care.

[Anonymous No.12231105]

>>12231100
OoOOOOoOOOOOOoOOoOOOOoOOOO

[Anonymous No.12231119]

>>12230896
Don't think I won't do it

[Anonymous No.12231135]

>>12231100

[Anonymous No.12231136]

Are these COPV's the same ones that used to be on the outside of the rocket?

[Anonymous No.12231144]

>>12231102
>To a degree. I'm in favor of preventing extinctions through direct human impacts like deforestation

Deforestation is a selection pressure. Life that fails to cope with the selection pressure must die.

[Anonymous No.12231150]

>>12231136
Those are bootyfull my mane

[Anonymous No.12231155]

>>12231105

[Anonymous No.12231157]

>>12231136

[Anonymous No.12231182]

>>12231136
I'm pretty sure the other COPVs are still where they always were, they're just covered by aerocovers now. No idea what the ones in the skirt are for.

[Anonymous No.12231201]

are there materials that are used for nuclear fuel found on the moon?

[Anonymous No.12231208]

>>12231100
NATIONALIZE!

[Anonymous No.12231215]

>>12231136
Is this sn8? Damn she looks pretty

[Anonymous No.12231220]

>>12231201
Well, there's that's theoretical Helium-3, but besides that, not that we know of.
Not like we've really done much digging there though.

[Anonymous No.12231222]

Martian ascetic monasteries when?

[Anonymous No.12231224]

>>12231215
Starship is a pretty rocket. She’s a 6’5 busty volleyball player with silver hair and pale skin.

[Anonymous No.12231228]

>>12231136
I can and will fap to this

[Anonymous No.12231230]

I'm going to CLOOOOOOOSE

[Anonymous No.12231236]

>>12231182
Considering their location, maybe they (some) are part of a landing system? There aren't enough pixels to tell, but maybe they will control some new landing legs, but the flip-out crush style that we've seen already will be there as backup if the new system fails.

[Anonymous No.12231238]

>>12231201
Is there an album of these anywhere? Cracks me up every time I see this weird combo

[Anonymous No.12231243]

>>12231230
I assume this is for moving sn8 back to the pad and doing a static fire?

[Anonymous No.12231250]

>>12231224
Hopefully she'll hope by Sunday if the static fire happens by friday

[Anonymous No.12231251]

>>12231236
I was thinking something related to hydraulics, but we already know the fins are 100% electrically actuated and the previous landing legs didn't have anything similar. Maybe the need to relight the engines requires more hardware?

[Anonymous No.12231252]

waiting for cost-plus to post the new video

[Anonymous No.12231254]

>>12231224
Hopefully she'll hop by Sunday if the static fire happens by friday

[Anonymous No.12231255]

>>12231243
SN8 is on the pad already. Presumably its for either a wet dress rehearsal or potentially full on static fire.

[Anonymous No.12231258]

>>12231251
>we already know the fins are 100% electrically actuated
SpaceX says they are electric? I just haven't heard about that, but I haven't been paying attention. I guess we'll have to see what it looks like on the pad when it's ready to go to really figure it out.

[Anonymous No.12231259]

>>12231254
they'll still need to attach the nosecone before a hop. if everything goes right they could hop by the end of next week.

[Anonymous No.12231260]

>>12231254
they're gonna do a pretty extensive static fire campaign i heard so probably not sunday

[Anonymous No.12231265]

>>12231255
Damn, I've been distracted for a couple weeks now. Last I heard they did the cryo test then rolled it back for stacking.

[Anonymous No.12231266]

https://youtu.be/kRO_07nEi8g
Discuss

[Anonymous No.12231273]

>>12230970
>render so old it predates octoweb and super draco
neat

[Anonymous No.12231275]

>>12231252
Here it is! It's a quick video on the Falcon 1 this time:

https://youtu.be/EinKX4IHKNk

[Anonymous No.12231282]

>>12231266
takes an unnecessary amount of space for cargo, the whole point of starship is that separate cargo and crew starships will exist

[Anonymous No.12231283]

How useful would a 1500 tonne payload to LEO capable partly reusable launch vehicle be in today's economy, particularly using some shuttle hardware?

I was thinking something along the lines of:

>12 RS-25 engines in an octagonal configuration
>8 strap-on SRB's
>main stage self-recovers with parachute-assisted retropropulsive landing

[Anonymous No.12231289]

>>12231283
No real use. It would be fucking kino though. How much would that even cost?

[Anonymous No.12231295]

>>12231265
You must be thinking of SN7.1 which was destroyed. They don't test vehicles before stacking them

[Anonymous No.12231296]

>>12231266
Same energy

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E

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P

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O

[Anonymous No.12231313]

>>12231306
The Space Depot
How Spacers Get More Done

[Anonymous No.12231315]

>>12231306
>>12231313
>>12231311
>>12231310
>>12231308
NOOOO STOPPPP

[Anonymous No.12231317]

>>12231313
You fucking nigger we were so close reeeeee

[Anonymous No.12231319]

>>12231313
Nationalize this man!

[Anonymous No.12231320]

>>12231315

[Anonymous No.12231321]

>>12231201
Yes, thorium and uranium are both on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.12231328]

>Dolphin sex SSTO when?

[Anonymous No.12231329]

next hop when

[Anonymous No.12231347]

>>12231023
>SSL Robotics of Pasadena, California, $8.7 million
>Develop a lighter and less expensive robotic arm for lunar surface applications, in-orbit servicing, and terrestrial defense applications.
Uh ohhhh goodbye canada!! byebyeee

[Anonymous No.12231359]

>>12231347
Oh no Canadabros we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.12231375]

>>12231328
What's lesbians sex like?

[Anonymous No.12231386]

>>12231375
I assume it's like trying desperately to scratch an itch you cant reach.

[Anonymous No.12231387]

>>12231238
just search some combination of "demon core" and "anime" or whatever and make your own album

[Anonymous No.12231407]

>>12231328
a man needs sauce for this

[Anonymous No.12231445]

>>12231387
>>12231201
So these are the balls of steel Duke Nukem was telling about...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvL-WGcoBis

[Anonymous No.12231450]

>>12231375
nonexistent

[Anonymous No.12231461]

>>12231407
Lockheed Martin company page

[Anonymous No.12231466]

>>12231258
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1309943983733272576

[Anonymous No.12231468]

>>12231375

[Anonymous No.12231483]

>>12231468
That'll be a yikes from me

[Anonymous No.12231490]

>>12231375
Fingering, pussy licking, toys

[Anonymous No.12231495]

>>12231483
In the mars empire there wont be place for /u/
All martians will be required to make strong offspring.

[Anonymous No.12231497]

This is the space flight general, please leave all gay topics at the door.

[Anonymous No.12231505]

>>12231495
>strong offspring
Yeah, scientifically speaking

[Anonymous No.12231507]

Why is the Delta II so aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.12231508]

>>12231328
>>12231375
>>12231386
>>12231407
>>12231461
>>12231450
>>12231468
>>12231483
>>12231490
aanyways is there anything cool happening this week?

also zhenzou

[Anonymous No.12231514]

>>12231507
I mean it's way better than its inbred little brother

[Anonymous No.12231524]

>>12231514
Why's it so fucking FAT

[Anonymous No.12231536]

>>12231514
Delta III is cute no bully :(

[Anonymous No.12231546]

>>12231524
iirc because it was a delta ii that was redesigned to take the centaur upper stage which was fatter than the original core

[Anonymous No.12231575]

DEPOT CONTRACTS!!!!

Cryogenic Fluid Management Technology Demonstration
NASA and industry partners have developed and tested numerous technologies to enable long-term cryogenic fluid management, which is essential for establishing a sustainable presence on the Moon and enabling crewed missions to Mars. Implementation of the technologies in operational missions requires further maturation through in-space demonstrations.

Eta Space of Merritt Island, Florida, $27 million
Small-scale flight demonstration of a complete cryogenic oxygen fluid management system. As proposed, the system will be the primary payload on a Rocket Lab Photon satellite and collect critical cryogenic fluid management data in orbit for nine months. The small business will collaborate with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, NASA’s Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, and NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

Lockheed Martin of Littleton, Colorado, $89.7 million
In-space demonstration mission using liquid hydrogen – the most challenging of the cryogenic propellants – to test more than a dozen cryogenic fluid management technologies, positioning them for infusion into future space systems. Lockheed Martin will collaborate with Marshall and Glenn.

SpaceX of Hawthorne, California, $53.2 million
Large-scale flight demonstration to transfer 10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant, specifically liquid oxygen, between tanks on a Starship vehicle. SpaceX will collaborate with Glenn and Marshall.

United Launch Alliance (ULA) of Centennial, Colorado, $86.2 million
Demonstration of a smart propulsion cryogenic system, using liquid oxygen and hydrogen, on a Vulcan Centaur upper stage. The system will test precise tank pressure control, tank-to-tank transfer, and multi-week propellant storage. ULA will collaborate with Marshall, Kennedy, and Glenn.

[Anonymous No.12231607]

[Anonymous No.12231629]

Cool fact: Starship is about as big as the Saturn V second stage.

[Anonymous No.12231630]

>>12231607
Fuck man I kinda wish we got Eyes Turned Skywards...

I remember reading the entire wiki for it back in Sophmore year Track Practice. I remember making a fan fiction about Elon making a “Falcon 7” using the Saturn Multibody tooling in an alternate alternate timeline. Good times good time.

[Anonymous No.12231652]

>>12231461
I'm cold turkey since 12 days and this gives me an erection.

[Anonymous No.12231660]

We need to have IRL speedruns to the ISS. Surely we can do better then 3 hours?

[Anonymous No.12231695]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seFc_Od2eKE
DOCKING NOW

[Anonymous No.12231721]

>>12231629
Yep, and yet the Starship has a much greater wet mass as well as a smaller dry mass.

[Anonymous No.12231755]

>>12231629
Cool fact, the Starship is not some anemic fucking hydromeme 2nd stage and the first will have twice the thrust of the Saturn V first stage.

[Anonymous No.12231778]

>>12231660
you could do it in as little as 1/2 orbit but it would mean a massive circularization burn not far from the station, which is probably considered dangerous

[Anonymous No.12231799]

>>12231721
are we sure on that? the s-ii had a dry mass of 36 tons. current estimates for the full starship stack are 120t and i'd guess more than 1/3 of that is in the second stage due to tiles and the payload fairing.

[Anonymous No.12231812]

>>12230990
>Demonstration of a smart propulsion cryogenic system, using liquid oxygen and hydrogen, on a Vulcan Centaur upper stage. The system will test precise tank pressure control, tank-to-tank transfer, and multi-week propellant storage. ULA will collaborate with Marshall, Kennedy, and Glenn.
ACES?

[Anonymous No.12231813]

>don't have any actual criticism of hydrolox so you have to resort to calling it hydromeme

[Anonymous No.12231825]

>>12231813
Big tanks that are clearly compensating for something

[Anonymous No.12231827]

>>12231799
>current estimates for the full starship stack are 120t
Current estimate dry mass for the second stack is 120t.

[Anonymous No.12231833]

>>12231827
*second stage. I haven't had a good night sleep in over a month. Excuse my brain farts.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1177066483375058944

[Anonymous No.12231848]

>>12231813
We've had so many many criticisms of it so many times that's its not even worth engaging with people like you so it's easier to just call it hydromeme.

[Anonymous No.12231853]

>>12231813
A legitimate issue with using hydrolox is that hydrogen is incredibly volume intensive. So if your vehicle design size is limited in some way, then other fuel selections might offer better payload capacity than hydrogen even though the on-paper performance of hydrogen is superior. This is due to other fuels being more dense and thus able to pack more propellant which boosts the mass ratio enough to compensate for lower specific impulse.

[Anonymous No.12231860]

>>12231813
Same with calling Tim Dodd Estronaut

[Anonymous No.12231866]

>>12231813
>it's too fluffy
>tankage requirements are dumb
>embrittles things
>it's gay
>I hate it

[Anonymous No.12231867]

>The Ruskie mission control feed is 4:3 VHS quality

[Anonymous No.12231874]

>>12231860
Dude he is the physical embodiment of soijack

[Anonymous No.12231884]

>>12231813
Everyone knows the problems with hydrolox idiot

[Anonymous No.12231900]

>>12231860
t. tim dodd
he overreacts to things and has a very childish way of presenting. thats where the name comes from

[Anonymous No.12231903]

>>12231813
see >>12231853
It has no fucking business being used inside a gravity well. For a high energy mission outside a gravity well, it's fantastic stuff. But as a first stage? It's a fucking albatross, a millstone around our collective necks that has ensured that we've spent around 50 years doing nothing but fuck around in low earth orbit.

Yeah, we have some pretty legit criticism regarding hydromeme and the uses it's being put to.

[Anonymous No.12231906]

>>12231874
>Makes bucketloads of money doing what he loves and being a space nerd
>Got to meet Big Jim
>Interviewed Musk twice
>Has Musk's ear on Twitter
>Wife and kids
Yeah sure he's a soijak. He's way cooler than you or anyone else on /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12231914]

>>12231906
He’s a soijack and less cool than an African tribesman
Real men have huge bulging muscles and fight wars

[Anonymous No.12231968]

>>12231812
Centaur V, which is kind of a half way step between the Atlas Centaur stage and ACES.

[Anonymous No.12231969]

>>12231906
he's divorced and i don't think he has kids

[Anonymous No.12231976]

>>12230831
>can't elon have picked a different place around the area?
Can't you look at it on Google Maps first? It's literally the farthest south road in Texas, there's no other place to pick. There was just that one boomer encampment. Go farther north and you have to deal with people on both sides instead of just one. Go farther south and it's Mexico.

[Anonymous No.12232009]

>>12231813
>leaks
>low density means high volume which means high dry mass; also means hydrogen tankage will never be cheap to construct like SS because the dry mass penalty would be too high
>insulation is more dry mass, not to mention another expense and another point of failure
>embrittlement limits long term lifetime if you wanted to design around a reusable architecture
"hydromeme" is just a shorthand for the fact that chemical hydrogen rocketry has been discussed to death and consistently found wanting

[Anonymous No.12232044]

>>12231969
Divorced? What happened lol wasnt he married a couple years ago?

[Anonymous No.12232063]

>>12232044
>wasnt he married a couple years ago
That's the case with the vast majority of divorced people, yes.

[Anonymous No.12232073]

>>12231906
>wife and kids

Nope he got divorced (she probably cheated on him with gigachad and took half his shit) and has no kids. Children are the only metric of success, reproducing is the point of life.

[Anonymous No.12232094]

>>12232063
kek

[Anonymous No.12232100]

>>12232073
Elon has 7 children, and they're all sons.
Jeff who only has three sons lmao

[Anonymous No.12232105]

>>12232100
well the first died of SIDS.

[Anonymous No.12232117]

>>12230990
IT'S

FINALLY

FUCKING

HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.12232123]

>>12232105
Low-energy, SAD

[Anonymous No.12232134]

>>12231976
>It's literally the farthest south road in Texas, there's no other place to pick.
wrong, they could have put it on the road right here

[Anonymous No.12232138]

>>12232117
>that upper stage burning directly towards the depot
Oh shit, who let Shelby into space?

[Anonymous No.12232139]

>>12232117
scientifically speaking, what flavors of mtn dew should we stock in the depot?

[Anonymous No.12232140]

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[Anonymous No.12232162]

>>12232139
Why hasn't anyone shopped this yet??

[Anonymous No.12232165]

>>12232134
that's way too close to densely populated areas man. BC is the perfect location

[Anonymous No.12232170]

>>12232165
bro think of the dv savings

[Anonymous No.12232174]

someone angered the beast

[Anonymous No.12232180]

>>12232174
Fake edit of his pinned tweet, but entertaining nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.12232192]

I'm gonna explain the hydrogen meme.
Will all things being equal, having higher Isp is better. That's why eggheads always think hydrogen = best propellant. However, nothing is equal between a hydrolox engine and a hydrocarbon engine.
First off, hydrogen is about 1/7th the density of methane, and 1/10th the density of kerosene. This means that in order to carry the same propellant mass, a hydrolox stage is going to be much larger. Being larger is bad for two reasons; Physically larger vehicles cost more the build, and being physically larger while carrying the same propellant mass means you're reducing the wet-dry mass ratio and thus losing performance. In fact not only are the tanks physically larger, they need to be thicker and stronger as well, because of hoop stresses.
A knock on effect of being low density is that in order to get the same mass flow rate, an engine needs to be physically larger. Therefore hydrolox engines tend to have worse TWR, further decreasing stage performance.
Yet another factor that hurts hydrolox engine performance is the requirement to use hydrogen embrittlement-proof alloys. The best possible engines use the best available alloys, but the best alloys are usually not embrittlement-proof, meaning your components cannot be run as hard or cannot be as light as they otherwise could be. A hydrolox engine that can run forever without eve getting embrittlement is certainly possible, it'd just be lower thrust/lower TWR/lower pressure than a non-hydrolox engine can be.
Hydrolox has one decent use case; orbital maneuvering tugs. In this application TWR is fairly irrelevant, plus there's no atmosphere in orbit so the Isp of the propellant can be fully taken advantage of. Hydrolox could also make sense for launching off of low gravity zero atmosphere worlds with lots of water to feed ISRU propellant production.

[Anonymous No.12232207]

>>12232073
literal nigger logic

[Anonymous No.12232212]

>>12232192
lol

[Anonymous No.12232232]

>>12232192
why the fuck does skylon use hydrogen

[Anonymous No.12232234]

Sierra Nevada Corporation of Madison, Wisconsin, $2.4 million
Develop demonstration-scale hardware that uses methane and concentrated solar energy to extract oxygen from lunar regolith. The hardware could be tested on a commercial lunar lander to prove a full-scale production plant's viability using this process.

[Anonymous No.12232235]

>>12232158
>nuclear power on a propellant depot
>manned living spaces on a propellant depot
for what purpose

[Anonymous No.12232238]

>>12231778
just circularize behind the station

[Anonymous No.12232239]

>>12232235
for the space gas station attendants
the future is oregon

[Anonymous No.12232242]

>>12232207
I’m sorry reality triggers you, sterile failure.
Study evolution.

[Anonymous No.12232255]

>>12232232
Skylon, Shuttle and Venture Star are all the worst offenders when it comes to falling for the hydrogen meme. They all choose a flight profile which is very difficult to achieve, because they believe they can rely on Hydrogen's performance to make up the difference. However, hydrogen's performance beyond simple Isp is shit, and therefore all of these vehicles are either stillborn or never live up to their development goals.

[Anonymous No.12232258]

>>12232234
they're gonna waste methane to make hydrogen? why

[Anonymous No.12232270]

>>12232192
If I was designing a water ISRU orbit-to-orbit rocket I would just use it as remass for a nuclear or electrothermal engine architecture that's more efficient. Don't see any reason to go with chemical when you don't need huge TWR anyway and water is much nicer for storage

[Anonymous No.12232276]

>>12232192
nothing wrong there but fuel density is irrelevant compared to overall propellant density because of the different mix ratios. hydrolox is ~43% the density of methalox and ~35% the density of kerolox.

being able to launch unfueled centaurs that fill up in orbit is going to allow for some massive probe yeeting. if i see anyone complaining that we're getting hydrolox depots the bullying will be severe.

>>12232238
i think the bigger worry is that you'd have the spacecraft moving around pretty fast near the station and if you fuck up you're risking a collision at 30 m/s or more

[Anonymous No.12232277]

>>12230990
I hope SpaceX calls the LOX transfer mission Operation Bagel.

[Anonymous No.12232278]

>>12231230
>I'm in trial this whole week and will be too busy/desperate for sleep to stay up for the tests
Damn it all to hell

[Anonymous No.12232285]

>>12231320
The word based is ruined in my brain. All I saw was "Based Depot" and had thoughts of a raging Shelby.

[Anonymous No.12232286]

>>12231607
what is the big turd that wraps around the end of the engine bell

[Anonymous No.12232287]

>>12232276
yes, you would have big burns near the station, but there would be no appreciable risk if you choreographed your dance correctly (unlike say how I play KSP, which involves huge suicide burns directly towards my target)

[Anonymous No.12232292]

>>12232286
exhaust duck

[Anonymous No.12232294]

>>12232286
Generator exhaust iirc.

[Anonymous No.12232296]

unmanned ISS speedruns when?

[Anonymous No.12232299]

>>12232270
I generally agree, however there are still use cases for hydrolox chemical propellants. More specifically, any situation wherein TWR actually does matter at least a little, such as transferring between moons of a gas giant planet, hydrolox engines would be a better fit for the same reasons hydrocarbon engines are better for launching from higher gravity worlds like Earth.
I think that large hydrolox depots in stable orbits around icy moons will definitely make sense as we spread out through the solar system. I also think that simpler water depots will accompany them, as we get better power supply options and better electric thrusters using water as propellant.

[Anonymous No.12232308]

>>12232286
gas generator exhaust, it did the turd-like wraparound because the exhaust got sent through the engine bell to cool it. that's why the f1's plume looks so dark - the fuel-rich generator exhaust is surrounding the true engine plume

[Anonymous No.12232314]

>>12232286
The gas generator exhaust manifold, which allows the cooler gasses from the GG to form a barrier layer between the lower nozzle extension of the engine and the super hot main combustion chamber gasses.

[Anonymous No.12232316]

>>12232285

[Anonymous No.12232318]

>>12232316
based

[Anonymous No.12232322]

when?

[Anonymous No.12232323]

>>12232316
Kek

[Anonymous No.12232324]

>>12232316
BASED ON WHAT?
>on ACES
BASED ON WHAT?!
>on ACES

[Anonymous No.12232326]

>>12232316
Thank you based depot

[Anonymous No.12232339]

Is there any reason besides the new space race to have hope for the future?

[Anonymous No.12232343]

>>12232339
no

[Anonymous No.12232344]

>>12232299
Hydrolox ISRU requires melting cryogenic ice, electrolyzing it into gases, chilling those gases into liquid form, and storing them in propellant tanks. Think about what the equipment for doing that onboard a spacecraft does to your mass budget. You'd probably be better off using microwave electrothermal thrusters so you can keep liquid water around as propellant and have a much simpler (lighter!) process for extracting thrust from it.

If you've got depots orbiting the gas giants, then shit yes hydrolox is king for Oberth burns to escape velocity.

[Anonymous No.12232354]

>>12232192
You forgot the temperature thing. LH2 is very near absolute zero. It is way below the melting temperature of O2, and O2 snow = bad. It can clog pipes, then decide to explosively oxidize something. So not only does the LH2 have to be insulated, the LOX also has to be insulated from it, for even more extra weight.
Methane and oxygen are liquid at similar temperature ranges, so they don't need insulation between tanks and can share a bulkhead wall.

[Anonymous No.12232360]

>>12232339
I want to see a mushroom cloud before I die, so there's that.

[Anonymous No.12232363]

>>12232344
good luck taking off from any moon bigger than phobos with a water plasma drive though. to get any useful thrust out of that you'd have to have so much electrical power that i'm not sure you'd be any lighter than doing electrolysis.

[Anonymous No.12232389]

>>12232344
>>12232363
I think the solution is to do depots from day one - the first missions are a series of inert payloads with some RCS thrusters launched from Mars via Starship and a high energy kickstage. You could use something like NASA's design for NEA ice mining robots to collect water for processing. With the practice from Starship refueling it should be possible to have the modules self-assemble into a depot. Then when the crewed ship arrives they can just do a final systems check, fire up the reactor, and start making hydrolox to go home.

[Anonymous No.12232398]

>The worst effects of a Soviet high-altitude test occurred on 22 October 1962, in the Soviet Project K nuclear tests (ABM System A proof tests) when a 300 kt missile-warhead detonated near Dzhezkazgan at 290-km altitude. The EMP fused 570 km of overhead telephone line with a measured current of 2,500 A, started a fire that burned down the Karaganda power plant, and shut down 1,000 km of shallow-buried power cables between Tselinograd and Alma-Ata.

based

[Anonymous No.12232406]

>>12232316

[Anonymous No.12232409]

>>12232322
Wouldn't the best anti-satellite weapon just be a laser?

You could overheat the satellite and disable it with no debris

[Anonymous No.12232415]

>>12232409
lasers are hard

[Anonymous No.12232417]

>>12232409
Beam collimation and targeting are the weaknesses, particularly trying to punch through an atmosphere. ASAT missiles are cheap compared to multi-GW mobile ground based lasers.

[Anonymous No.12232418]

>>12232339
The upcoming world war will finally kill off Russia and break up China, finally cementing the undisputed global domination of the USA.

[Anonymous No.12232420]

doing high altitude tests again when?

[Anonymous No.12232422]

>>12232354
Many hydrolox stages share tank walls, that's not difficult.
I didn't forget the temperature thing, I just don't think it's really much of a problem, especially for large orbital depots and surface-to-orbit shuttle craft for icy moons.

[Anonymous No.12232424]

>>12232418
>implying a racist country running the world is a good thing

[Anonymous No.12232429]

>>12232418
>undisputed global domination of the USA.
You mean Israel, goy?

[Anonymous No.12232433]

>>12232420

[Anonymous No.12232436]

>>12232424
>>12232429
Oh it's this time of day again

[Anonymous No.12232440]

>>12232409
you need a whole lot of wattage to make lasers viable. when we seriously studied ASAT lasers for SDI in the 80s they had to be powered by a nuclear explosion. particle beams are probably closer.

[Anonymous No.12232444]

>>12232436
You can't just say these things in [CURRENT_YEAR]+4

[Anonymous No.12232448]

>>12232406
ASS TO ASS

[Anonymous No.12232450]

>>12232444
>+4
+8*

[Anonymous No.12232455]

>>12232389
The solution is to work on ISRU from day one, not necessarily to do orbital depots from day one. The former is necessary in either case, while the latter only helps if you don't already have a vehicle with the delta V to launch and get back to Earth in a single stage. Since Starship has enough juice to get to a transfer to Earth when starting from Mars' surface with full tanks, it's not really any help to have it launch to orbit then refill from a depot (which itself needs dedicated propellant transfer launches from Mars) before going back to Earth. That being said, for going to Jupiter's moons or anywhere else similarly far, it would definitely make sense to park some Starships in orbit of the object with the first pioneering surface settlements to use as depots, because otherwise it's very hard to fit the entire return trip into Starship's delta V budget.

[Anonymous No.12232465]

>On July 25, 1962, a second attempt was made to launch the Bluegill device, but ended in disaster when the Thor suffered a stuck valve preventing the flow of LOX to the combustion chamber. The engine lost thrust and unburned RP-1 spilled down into the hot thrust chamber, igniting and starting a fire around the base of the missile. With the Thor engulfed in flames, the Range Safety Officer sent the destruct command, which split the rocket and ruptured both fuel tanks, completely destroying the missile and badly damaging the launch pad. The warhead charges also exploded asymmetrically and sprayed the area with the moderately radioactive core materials.

>Although there was little danger of an accidental nuclear explosion, the destruction of the nuclear warhead on the launch pad caused contamination of the area by alpha-emitting core materials. Burning rocket fuel, flowing through the cable trenches, caused extensive chemical contamination of the trenches and the equipment associated with the cabling in the trenches.

>The radioactive contamination on Johnston Island was determined to be a major problem, and it was necessary to decontaminate the entire area before the badly damaged launch pad could be rebuilt.[18]
this but with a manned mission instead?

[Anonymous No.12232475]

>>12232455
We're talking about missions to the gas giants here. Starship Mars ISRU working and Mars colonies building their own rockets is sort of a baseline assumption.

[Anonymous No.12232482]

>>12232344
>>12232363
I don't think it needs to be entirely one or the other. One of the first things you do on settling a planet/moon should be an indigenous booster platform and ISRU system for that. Useful places share the trait of not being as tyrannical as earth, so these can be done with whatever is the cheapest, easiest available fuel and materials locally available. Let your orbital stages do what they do best, so that they can be optimized for that task.

[Anonymous No.12232486]

>>12232296
>Speedrun to space

[Anonymous No.12232497]

Who benefits?

[Anonymous No.12232513]

>>12232497
>Who benefits?
Literally nobody.

[Anonymous No.12232519]

>>12232513
*certified space grade radiation hardened electronics manufacturer hand rubbing noises*

[Anonymous No.12232521]

>>12232465
Fucking hell not even Nedelin armed test rocket wirh nuke.

[Anonymous No.12232530]

>>12232232
Probably because it's lightweight enough to allow it to take off.

[Anonymous No.12232542]

OwO
https://twitter.com/ivan_mks63/status/1316260282256240640?s=19

[Anonymous No.12232550]

>>12232542
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.12232558]

>>12232363
You can use tethers to harvest electrical potential from the planet's magnetosphere.

[Anonymous No.12232563]

look at that testosterone bros

[Anonymous No.12232565]

>>12232558
>harvesting Jupiter's magnetosphere
this is suicidal, you know that right

[Anonymous No.12232567]

>>12232563
>Sergei and Sergei

[Anonymous No.12232575]

I can't wait for Elon to tweet the word "depot" again

[Anonymous No.12232578]

redpill me on the volga upper stage and 17D64 engine

t. can't find shit about it even on runet

[Anonymous No.12232579]

>>12232565
Gotta light the fission torch SRB somehow.

[Anonymous No.12232582]

>>12232436
If you're going to spew jingoistic garbage expect to get met with political replies.

[Anonymous No.12232593]

>>12232579
you can just use a smaller SRB for that

[Anonymous No.12232615]

>>12232582
faggot

[Anonymous No.12232618]

>>12232615
nigger

[Anonymous No.12232624]

I like how Jupiter hurling gigantic lightning bolts around in mythology has some basis in scientific fact with Jupiter's monstrous magnetosphere and atmospheric storms.

[Anonymous No.12232641]

>>12232565
no, it's necessary

[Anonymous No.12232642]

Anyone here watch Anton Petrov’s videos?

[Anonymous No.12232647]

>>12232642
yeah he puts out a crazy amount of original content

[Anonymous No.12232651]

>>12232578
Don't worry about it anon

[Anonymous No.12232666]

>>12232578
https://wikimili.com/en/Volga_%28rocket_stage%29

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/04/vostochny-maiden-soyuz-launch/

[Anonymous No.12232668]

>>12232642
not since he felt the need to stick his face into the video like its a fucking twitch gaming stream

[Anonymous No.12232671]

>>12232578
okay I found a magazine article with a bit of info about it (http://www.samspace.ru/download.php?file=/upload/iblock/0d4/Novosti_Kosmonavtiki.pdf)), apparently 2.9kN thrust with 307s isp and it's new version of 17D61/17D62 from yantar/ikar propulsion module for soviet spook shit
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19386.0 has some pictures of 17D62 engine debris and russian sources od development of the engines, but I have only skimmed over them yet because reading russian makes my head hurt

[Anonymous No.12232688]

>>12229045
Delivered

[Anonymous No.12232709]

>>12232688
Standalone Starship Ika, please. I have shitposting to do.

[Anonymous No.12232735]

I dont care about astronauts. If they come back from Mars weak and feeble, fuck them. They knew what they signed up for. We should not be working to mitigate the pain, we should send it into overdrive. Great deeds are forged of suffering

[Anonymous No.12232744]

>>12232688
That anon here, arigatou. The panelling is a nice touch too.

[Anonymous No.12232749]

>>12232671
novosti kosmonavtiki changed their forum software and broke the links from the NSF thread, but fixed the link and there is a bunch more info here
https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/index.php?topic=8343

[Anonymous No.12232755]

>>12232749
some good pics

[Anonymous No.12232765]

>>12231050
I imagine Martian colonies will be basically ignored for ~150 years until they grow to the point that they start having interests that conflict with the homeworld's. After that, it'll basically be a matter of waiting until trade disputes escalate and the legal system fails to contain tensions.

Anyways, since there's not really a means of projecting power across interplanetary gulfs, I figure it'll go pretty well for the Martians if they don't turn it into a rock-throwing contest. Of course, that doesn't mean all of Mars would get independence at once or even be politically united. Geopolitics still applies on Mars, after all. Or would that be Areanpolitics? You get the point.

>>12232139
The Label flavors. Oh, how I miss their overly sugary taste.

[Anonymous No.12232770]

You should be able to answer this

[Anonymous No.12232777]

>>12232770
*fwoooosh*

[Anonymous No.12232778]

>>12232770
>do you get scared that your space shuttle might get lost?
well they lost two so far and didn't seem to fussed either time

[Anonymous No.12232779]

>>12232777
kek

[Anonymous No.12232782]

>>12232778
To be fair they did cancel it after the second time

[Anonymous No.12232788]

>>12232765
I can't fucking wait to secretly fund lunar insurgencies with Earth's own money that they'll pay me for moon titanium.

[Anonymous No.12232792]

>>12232788
Nah, the Moon's close enough to actually be within the same economic/political sphere as Earth. Don't expect lunar independence to pan out.

[Anonymous No.12232797]

>>12232792
>Don't expect lunar independence to pan out
It worked in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

[Anonymous No.12232804]

>>12232792
I could definitely see it working out mostly because force projection from earth to the moon would be ridiculously expensive and thus any moon based insurgency would have a massive advantage.
Of course I don't expect a push for lunar independence to come to blows anyway, A peaceful independence like that of australia, new zealand or canada is much more likely.

[Anonymous No.12232813]

>>12232797
Mike's up there. He'll go back to the way he was... one of these days...

[Anonymous No.12232816]

>>12232792
The tunnels run deep, anon.

[Anonymous No.12232839]

>>12232709
>>12232688
Starship Ika-chan is cute
CUTE!

[Anonymous No.12232844]

>>12232765
but rock throwing contests are my favorite

[Anonymous No.12232846]

>>12232792
The biggest issue with the moon isn't proximity but resource dependence. It just can't survive without huge amounts of imported materials. Potentially that could come from an industrialized Mars as or more easily than earth, but it won't stand on its own.

[Anonymous No.12232847]

>>12232804
I get what you're saying: but also keep in mind that the Moon is NOT supportive of complete sustainability. Yeah it will be a pain in the ass to send a police or military force to squash an uprising. But if people are dumb enough to rebel on the Moon and declare independence from Earth all the government has to do is embargo them and they will all die out

[Anonymous No.12232852]

>>12232847
>>12232846
you can't say that sort of thing when we haven't even properly prospected the moon

[Anonymous No.12232861]

>>12232847
Why can't they trade with any other country? Like lets say america gets the moon and then the moon declares independence which america responds to with an embargo.
By the time we have moon colonies, china will definitely have the capability to do translunar injection and I'm sure the chinese would love to curry favor with a former american colony. Whats stopping the moon from trading exclusively with china?

[Anonymous No.12232862]

>>12232847
>>12232846
unless there's a substantial infrastructure built up in LEO and GEO that's become dependent on lunar hydrogen and the loonies think they can hold out for long enough to get earth governments to yield

[Anonymous No.12232863]

>>12232852
I study planetary science lmao. I focus on Mars but I know a great deal about the Moon. A hypothetical sci fi uprising COULD be possible in like 100 years maybe, but no way in hell it could happen in the next 50. Not even on Mars (which is capable of self-sustainability theoretically)

[Anonymous No.12232866]

>>12232861
>Why can't they trade with any other country? Like lets say america gets the moon and then the moon declares independence
Literally why would they even bother? Being an American territory gives them a free ASAT shield and a guarantee of tariff free access to the US market in exchange for a bunch of federal stuff that doesn't really apply day to day on the moon anyways.

[Anonymous No.12232874]

>>12232861
Haven't considered it. It could be likely. But if China wanted to support a random USA moon colony rebellion the US would just throw a shit load of tariffs on them and get all their western partners to do the same.
>>12232862
This is also true. The moon would have to be HUGELY economical though. As in they specialize in something (or more than one thing) that a) just can't be done on Earth, and b) is so far along that it is an integral part of the USA's economy. Which likely won't happen for 100+ years.

[Anonymous No.12232875]

>>12232862
I mean...they'd presumably know that Earth has ample stocks of fucking water, right? I don't think you could really embargo Earth on Hydrogen or Oxygen.

[Anonymous No.12232877]

>>12232866
because america bans being a gamer in 2067

[Anonymous No.12232878]

>>12232866
Why the fuck did america bother to declare independence from britiain when being a british territory gave them free army protection and guaranteed access to the entire market of the british empire in exchange for a bunch of imperial stuff that doesn't really apply day to day over in north america?

[Anonymous No.12232882]

>>12232878
When it worked like that the colonies were happy to remain such. It was only when the British government started actively interfering in the thirteen colonies and not granting them the same rights as the English and Scottish that the revolution happened. The Constitution's enumerated powers clause goes a long way towards preventing that sort of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12232883]

>>12232875
if you have a well-developed industry on the moon then it can get stuff into LEO cheaper than earth can though. yes, earth COULD do the same job, but it might not be worth the trouble.

[Anonymous No.12232885]

>>12232874
>US would just throw a shit load of tariffs on them and get all their western partners to do the same.
Yes and as we all known, this is a full proof strategy that instantly causes the country in question to break and accept american hegemony, thus immediately ceasing all hostile acts against american interests.

[Anonymous No.12232892]

>>12232885
It's working on Iran.

[Anonymous No.12232895]

>>12232770
1. crushed opium poppies
2. your mom
3. no
4. like im getting fucked in the ass
5. that you can write
6. everytime i ride in a boeing rocket i cry
>and can we visit you at nasa
no fuck you

[Anonymous No.12232897]

>>12232770
>what fuel does a spaceship use
you have your options of LNG, gasoline, hydrogen, or cancer juice
equally important is the other half of a fuel cycle, the oxidizer
you have your options of liquified vital breath of air, bone hurting juice, swift red death, and the fizzy stuff they use to clean wounds except turned up to 11
>what should I study to become a part of NASA
be a US citizen first, scrub
>is it true that it rains diamonds on Jupiter
it also rains fuck you so it doesn't matter
>how does it feel when you get blasted off in a space shuttle?
very loud for a few minutes and then very quiet
you are very heavy while it is loud
>what is the most fascinating thing that you have discovered yet?
just how corrupt the US Congress is
>do you get scared that your space shuttle might get lost
No, the space shuttle knows where it is because it knows where it isn't
>can we visit you at NASA
no, the Chinese Pneumonia Death still exists

[Anonymous No.12232904]

>>12232878
Because the British wanted the colonies to keep exporting cheap natural resources and importing their finished goods like a good little mercantilist cog, while the Colonies wanted to import relatively cheap goods from other sources and sell their resources in more profitable markets. Which caused tensions when the British attempted to enforce their mercantilist system, which escalated further when they started messing around with the legal structures of the colonies themselves.

What I'm saying is that I agree with you. If Earth powers treat hypothetical Lunar colonies like glorified resource extraction hubs instead of as integral parts of their nation whose needs have to be met they will be in for a rude awakening in like 200 years, once those colonies develop into something substantial.

>>12232883
My point is that I'm not sure that if a terrestrial power would blink first if their moon colonies tried embargoing them on hydrogen of all things.

[Anonymous No.12232907]

>>12232892
>working

[Anonymous No.12232912]

>>12232777
>spend last three days writing a paper on the future of US counterinsurgency policy
>finally finished, come to 4chan
>see this

[Anonymous No.12232917]

>>12232897
Ah yes, the good old "Liquid Cancer+Bone Hurting Juice". Never fails to turn the entire launch pad into a CBRN hazard.

[Anonymous No.12232920]

>>12231524
America

[Anonymous No.12232923]

>>12232917
no, nobody has ever launched a bone hurting juice rocket
typically they go with liquid cancer and swift red death

[Anonymous No.12232932]

>>12232923
I mean, if you get the spicy nitrogen on you it will probably also hurt your bones, along with everything else.

[Anonymous No.12232937]

could an orion pusher plate be assembled in orbit or does it need to be a monolithic structure? if you can assemble segments together then starship could do a 40m diameter

[Anonymous No.12232938]

>>12232932
I wish the spicy nitrogen would stay in its can

[Anonymous No.12232943]

>>12232937
You really, really, really want it to be a solid monolithic structure since it has to shield you from literal nuclear bombs. This is why using the Orion itself to boost into orbit is the best way to get these things going.

[Anonymous No.12232945]

>>12232937
There's no reason you can't weld that shit in space.

The real redpill is making the segments on Mars where there's plenty of iron and getting into orbit is cheap as fuck, and then assembling prefab segments in orbit.

[Anonymous No.12232947]

>>12232938
>"No."

[Anonymous No.12232949]

>>12232862
As long as Mars is developed to an equivalent extent (and I unironically believe Mars will be developed faster than the Moon), all the T*rrans have to do is bring them to the negotiating table and suddenly the Moon is in a bidding war. The existence of a third party with the essential things the other two lack (easy access to orbit vs. terra, resource availability vs. luna) is a big monkey wrench in any conflict.

[Anonymous No.12232962]

>>12232937
The plate is pretty fucking thin and there's not much heat transfer so I imagine it would be possible to rig something up, but you would need to do some better calculations than me to figure out the forces it would experience and what joining methods would work. Ablation isn't a problem if you spray it with a bit of oil before each shot, but the plate has to be able to take ~50000g maximum acceleration during the shot without splitting apart. Probably it would be fine with some good welding, but I dunno much about metallurgical black magic.

[Anonymous No.12232997]

>>12232907
It is though. Not perfectly, but it works. Crush their balls a little bit and they have to give in to some demands. Having the USA and other western allies rallied against your own country is a real fucking predicament to be in

[Anonymous No.12233007]

Odorously speaking, what propellant has the most pleasant smell?

[Anonymous No.12233012]

>>12232878
>tfw high taxation with zero representation

[Anonymous No.12233017]

>>12232962
i'd be worried about the faults catching higher peak temperatures and losing strength too

[Anonymous No.12233018]

>>12232997

[Anonymous No.12233022]

>>12233007
B-Stoff

[Anonymous No.12233026]

>>12232938
But random villagers need their dose of spicy nitrogen

[Anonymous No.12233028]

>>12233007
hydrazine, try it sometime

[Anonymous No.12233031]

In 2006, researchers at Cornell University invented[24] a new surgical procedure to implant artificial structures into insects during their metamorphic development.[25][26] The first insect cyborgs, moths with integrated electronics in their thorax, were demonstrated by the same researchers.[27][28] The initial success of the techniques has resulted in increased research and the creation of a program called Hybrid-Insect-MEMS, HI-MEMS. Its goal, according to DARPA's Microsystems Technology Office, is to develop "tightly coupled machine-insect interfaces by placing micro-mechanical systems inside the insects during the early stages of metamorphosis".[29]

The use of neural implants has recently been attempted, with success, on cockroaches. Surgically applied electrodes were put on the insect, which were remotely controlled by a human. The results, although sometimes different, basically showed that the cockroach could be controlled by the impulses it received through the electrodes. DARPA is now funding this research because of its obvious beneficial applications to the military and other areas[30]

In 2009 at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Micro-electronic mechanical systems (MEMS) conference in Italy, researchers demonstrated the first "wireless" flying-beetle cyborg.[31] Engineers at the University of California at Berkeley pioneered the design of a "remote controlled beetle", funded by the DARPA HI-MEMS Program.[32] This was followed later that year by the demonstration of wireless control of a "lift-assisted" moth-cyborg.[33]

[Anonymous No.12233046]

>>12233018
God dammit you've replied to me like five times in the last 5 days with that god damn jebediah retard thumbnail image lmao

[Anonymous No.12233065]

>>12232804
Violence is better

[Anonymous No.12233075]

>>12233065
"What are we going to do, throw rocks at them."
"Yes."

[Anonymous No.12233080]

>>12233075
Supreme Chancellor of Earth Brianna Wu has been preparing for this for a lifetime.

[Anonymous No.12233082]

So tonight's SN8 test is just a wet dress rehearsal right?

TFR wasn't posted.

[Anonymous No.12233083]

What’s with upper stages loitering in orbit for decades?

[Anonymous No.12233097]

>>12233083
Not enough fuel to get down on its own

[Anonymous No.12233115]

>>12233083
Starship hasn't been up to scrap them yet

[Anonymous No.12233138]

>>12233083
Haunted houses in space.

[Anonymous No.12233141]

>>12233083
the Soviets and the USDoD did a lot of space littering

[Anonymous No.12233147]

>>12233141
But muh one poo asat test its all their fault

[Anonymous No.12233196]

>>12232709
Starship-Ika de geso!

[Anonymous No.12233208]

>They JUST put the engines on and they're already doing a static fire
What the FUCK. If this thing does its 15km hop before Crew-1 I will shit my pants

[Anonymous No.12233219]

>>12233196
VERY nice
>>12233208
it's almost like things don't take a million years when you're not burdened by the infinite paperwork of a government project

[Anonymous No.12233228]

>>12233208
SOON

[Anonymous No.12233244]

>>12233219
>it's almost like things don't take a million years when you're not burdened by the infinite paperwork of a government project
seveneves space development rate when?

[Anonymous No.12233246]

>>12231100
I'm screwed.

[Anonymous No.12233254]

>>12233208
SLS STILL hasn't done a full static fire yet

[Anonymous No.12233258]

>>12233018
I seriously hope KSP2 gives the kerbals more facial expressions. I for one would love to see Bob making faces like that when docking ships ass to ass while Valentina rolls her eyes.
>>12233196
Get her absorbed by the Big Gete Star, and only then will she be a complete Starship.

[Anonymous No.12233260]

>>12233258
is Ass 2 Ass possible in vanilla

[Anonymous No.12233262]

What is some good /sfg/ literature? I read Arrival by Ryk Brown, it's a pretty good story about people arriving on a habitable world and relearning planetary life after having spent their entire lives in orbit.

[Anonymous No.12233265]

>>12233262
at least the first half of seveneves is extremely /sfg/pilled, haven't finished the rest of it yet

[Anonymous No.12233271]

BIG
ROAD
MOBILE
DONGS

SpaceX > Korean People's Army Missile Forces > Rocketlab > Oldspace

[Anonymous No.12233272]

Are we likely to get a static fire tonight?

[Anonymous No.12233276]

>>12233271
TRAIN
MOBILE

[Anonymous No.12233277]

>>12233258
i know they'll never do it but it'd be awesome if they added some life support functionality where they could throw tantrums if they're hungry or too cramped

[Anonymous No.12233279]

>>12233276
North Korea's new gigadong Hwasong 16 is the largest road mobile liquid fueled missile in history. Because nobody was mad enough to put a Titan or Satan on a truck.

[Anonymous No.12233282]

>>12233277
I kinda hope they pull a bannerlord, just make the game a lot more modding friendly and actually release some good mod tools and the base game being half baked isn't a problem

[Anonymous No.12233286]

it almost certainly burns N2O4 and UDMH btw so imagine if they hit an overpass

[Anonymous No.12233318]

>>12232770
1. Liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen mix.
2. Chemical engineering.
3. That's just a theory, although it does have some interesting science behind it.
4. Like fastest roller coaster you've ever seen!
5. As a young man I did some exploring and discovered the pleasures of anal play.
6. No, the stars will guide me back home.
Just as you eagerly waited for this reply, I'm eagerly waiting for you lads and lasses to come to Kennedy Space Center so I can pound your asses!

Regards,
Forthright J

[Anonymous No.12233321]

Did anyone even care that BO launched a suborbital dildo again?

[Anonymous No.12233329]

>>12233321
yeah there was some funny trolling about it a couple of threads back

[Anonymous No.12233334]

>>12233321
Besides joking and trolling, not very much. I think everyone wants BO to do something at least, but it's generally just disappointing

[Anonymous No.12233339]

Will the new glenn ever happen?

[Anonymous No.12233344]

>>12233339
>2040
>new bobndoug comes out

[Anonymous No.12233346]

https://twitter.com/LeoLabs_Space/status/1316410780552699909
*whoosh*

[Anonymous No.12233347]

>Virgin Galactic suborbital test scheduled for Oct. 22
>Alan Stern will be the first researcher to fly aboard it
>he'll be testing a "low light level camera to determine how well space astronomical observations can be conducted"
https://www.swri.org/press-release/stern-nasa-funded-commercial-space-flight-human-tended-experiments
About as useful as green bean cuttings on the ISS.

[Anonymous No.12233349]

>>12233347
*bumps the self destruct lever*

[Anonymous No.12233353]

>>12233347
prediction: he dies

[Anonymous No.12233356]

>>12233353
Hopefully not since he's one of the more widely known people in the space community.

[Anonymous No.12233357]

>>12233353
dangerously clairvoyant

[Anonymous No.12233358]

>>12231230
these overpressure letters and road closures are fake shit to try and harass me to leave. i aint leavin boca chica village. this is my dream home and you cant force me to leave

[Anonymous No.12233359]

>>12233358
based

[Anonymous No.12233363]

>>12233358
SpaceX: Boca Chica is too dangerous to live in.
also SpaceX: We're going to be setting up a resort in Boca Chica for customers to live in.

[Anonymous No.12233372]

>>12233358
>you cant force me to leave
Well....

[Anonymous No.12233376]

>>12233363
*employees but yes

[Anonymous No.12233401]

>>12233353
dubs and he does

[Anonymous No.12233408]

>>12233401
singles and he reaches 80km but it explodes and he gets launched to 100km and finally gets his astronaut wings

[Anonymous No.12233426]

>>12233408
you already get astronaut wings at 80km though

[Anonymous No.12233428]

who has that virgin galactic trolley problem meme saved

[Anonymous No.12233431]

Depots

[Anonymous No.12233433]

>>12233408
F

[Anonymous No.12233445]

>This thing will have its first service flight in the same year man will land on mars
Why does it take less time to design, build and launch an interplanetary rocket than it does a fucking airliner that just goes a little faster?

[Anonymous No.12233449]

>>12233445
Dampening sonic booms is hard

[Anonymous No.12233452]

orbital coal planets fueled by space trains from titan when?

[Anonymous No.12233456]

>>12233452
We can ship our coal to space. That will provide alot of carbon to carbon poor regions like the Moon.

[Anonymous No.12233462]

>>12233445
>>12233449
This. Any asshole with 1950s infrastructure can build a supersonic plane, the problem is making one that's quiet enough to fly over populated areas.

[Anonymous No.12233466]

>>12233462
imo, boom

[Anonymous No.12233500]

>>12233445
>>12233449
>>12233462
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_sonic_boom_tests
yearly reminder
>tfw you will never get to supersonically shitpost oklahoma every day

[Anonymous No.12233516]

>>12233428
bump, somebody post it or else it's lost to time

[Anonymous No.12233519]

>>12233516
I made it but deleted the copy on my computer. I also forget what the filename was else I'd just try and find it in the archive

[Anonymous No.12233532]

>>12233519

[Anonymous No.12233541]

>>12233532
looks a bit smudgy

[Anonymous No.12233546]

>>12233541
Saving fresh OC memes as Jpg with high compression means they appear more authentic

[Anonymous No.12233555]

I know the shuttle was a bit unsafe, but just remember all the cool stuff we put up there with it!

[Anonymous No.12233558]

>>12233555
like what? some solid rocket motors?

[Anonymous No.12233563]

>>12233558
Those all landed in the ocean.

[Anonymous No.12233565]

>>12233563
no, the inertial upper stage, anon

[Anonymous No.12233571]

>>12233541
only have the automatically compressed version saved in chat logs, it just adds to the authenticity and provenance

[Anonymous No.12233582]

slavs getting sober and stopping embezzlement long enough to make TEM a real thing when?

[Anonymous No.12233591]

>>12233582
I'm afraid the heat death of the universe will occur before that happens

[Anonymous No.12233619]

[Anonymous No.12233662]

>>12233619
Gonna tweet this at emily lakdawallawally

[Anonymous No.12233665]

holy fuck if they don't come up with a more optimized save file method for KSP2 i am going to SNAP

[Anonymous No.12233689]

>>12233582
do the burgers and chinks have any equivalent projects?

[Anonymous No.12233698]

>>12233689
not that I know of
would be cool as fuck if they ever managed to finish development and get it into mass production like they planned, but unless their industry seriously improves I have my doubts about it ever being launched

[Anonymous No.12233701]

>has flight computer programmed in New Delhi time
>fucks up insertion burn and has to land in New Mexico
easily the funniest Boeing fuckup in years.

[Anonymous No.12233703]

>>12233698
>be the first to innovate and prove a technology and potentially lead an industry for it
that's added motivation to get it done at least

[Anonymous No.12233704]

>>12233701
I like the part where they reprogrammed the thing mid-flight when they realized that the service module separation commands were faulty and could've damaged the heatshield.

[Anonymous No.12233705]

>>12233701
what the fuck is that ring with the holes around the SM

[Anonymous No.12233706]

>>12233705
I believe it's an aero surface to keep the thing stable in an abort.

[Anonymous No.12233707]

>>12233701
>>12233704
you people just wait
boeing will come form behind and cum in spacex's ass
shelby wills it

[Anonymous No.12233709]

>>12233701
the whole thing just looks like a retard designed it. fucking cheese graders and shit, disposable nose

[Anonymous No.12233711]

>>12233706
First read that as
>to keep the thing stable in orbit
and almost pooped my pants

[Anonymous No.12233713]

>>12233707
I actually wouldn't mind this happening. Competition is always good.

[Anonymous No.12233716]

>>12233709
>disposable nose
That's a good thing. Think of all the delta-v savings they get by not lugging around that extra 2 kilos of carbon fiber.

[Anonymous No.12233720]

Starship is pretty huge compared to airliners

[Anonymous No.12233721]

disposable carbon fiber isogrid capsules when?

[Anonymous No.12233730]

>>12233720
What the fuck is that 747/A380 bastard child?

[Anonymous No.12233735]

>>12233704
Literally the definition of
>WE’LL DO IT LIVE- FUCK IT
>>12233698
What exactly is the TEM? Whatever it is it looks cool as fuck

[Anonymous No.12233738]

>>12233735
https://beyondnerva.com/2020/01/29/transport-and-energy-module/

[Anonymous No.12233739]

>>12233730
It has the same overall dimensions as a 747 so I just used it in the render because it looked cool

[Anonymous No.12233750]

Static fire happening tonight or nah?

[Anonymous No.12233758]

>>12233720
If your second stage isn‘t hindenburg sized, you can‘t talk shit.

[Anonymous No.12233762]

>>12233704
>they reprogrammed the thing mid-flight
I'm old enough to remember when something fucked up on the first dragon docking to station and spacex had to reprogram it midflight, begging nasa to trust them
>dont worry we got this, honest
>please just let us dock
should have never trusted them. they're gonna get our astronauts killed

[Anonymous No.12233778]

>>12233758
>hindenburg sized
>41.2 m diameter
Make it so.

[Anonymous No.12233783]

>>12233758
>>12233778
Imagine the mass fractions

[Anonymous No.12233784]

okay bros we use liquid nitrogen all the time for burning off warts and shit right
what if we use liquid oxygen instead?

[Anonymous No.12233785]

[Anonymous No.12233795]

[Anonymous No.12233800]

>>12233571
>>12233546
>These artificially faded memes are bad for the environment, just wait for your memes to get a worn effect naturally!

[Anonymous No.12233802]

>>12233784
Warts will burn much faster

[Anonymous No.12233810]

>>12233802
how do i make some liquid oxygen at home

t. have itchy wart on finger that keeps coming back every few years even after I had it burned with nitrogen when I was 12

[Anonymous No.12233812]

>>12233445
The fuck is that ugly piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.12233817]

>finish removing all my debris so save file is less than 25 fucking mb and only takes 15 seconds to switch buildings instead of 2 minutes
>now solar panels are bugging out and attach offset way in the air away from surface and can't reminder what I did to fix it last time I had this problem
god fuck why couldnt you mexicans just make a game thats not pure jank

[Anonymous No.12233832]

I wish there were more images of Earth from Moon. Considering the fact that the Earth is so much bigger, it would be an incredible view.

[Anonymous No.12233845]

>>12233532
Why was Virgin even allowed to continue operating after that debacle? No software failsafe against pulling the level at an obvious wrong time, retard pilot, no pressure suits at 50k ft. holy fuck

[Anonymous No.12233847]

>>12233845
space is hard
everyone makes mistakes :(

[Anonymous No.12233848]

resuming nuclear testing but on the moon when?

[Anonymous No.12233850]

>>12233845
>No software failsafe against pulling the level at an obvious wrong time
I don’t have a problem with that one. The lack of pressure suits on an experimental high altitude aircraft is dumb, though. I get that they’re trying to go for a shirtsleeve environment for passengers, but it just seems unsafe to take that risk during flight testing.

[Anonymous No.12233852]

>>12233848
When we get kilopower generators and Moonship working so proper moonbases can be built.

[Anonymous No.12233857]

>>12233852
ok well it needs to hurry up
i want to walk outside see nuke flashes on the moon through my own eyes

[Anonymous No.12233859]

>>12233845
To be fair

I wouldn't expect my highly skilled test pilots to pull the yeet lever at mach 0.8 either

[Anonymous No.12233860]

Is anyone watching SN8? What's the status? I don't see anyone around the pad.

[Anonymous No.12233861]

>>12233860
if there's no nsf stream, that means nothing is happening. go back to bed

[Anonymous No.12233862]

>>12233852
Kilopower is shit stop shilling it.

[Anonymous No.12233864]

>>12233857
>nuke tests above surface on the near side of the moon
I can already hear the radio astronomers screaming.

[Anonymous No.12233869]

>>12233864
Just goes to show you that we need more telescopes. I heard astronomers have to fight hard just to get put on a months long waitlist to use a telescope.

[Anonymous No.12233872]

>>12233864
I mean they can have the far side of the moon all to themselves, problem solved

[Anonymous No.12233887]

>>12233845
>>12233532
He was actually ordered to unlock it at 1.4 mach. Even at 0.8 mach, the feather overextended and overpowered the actuators. It ultimately couldn't handle the loads.

Mike did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.12233894]

>>12233887
the problem wasnt the speed, it was that he unlocked it before going transonic. big mistake, mike absolutely did something wrong

[Anonymous No.12233906]

>>12231136
ai upscaled by yours truly

[Anonymous No.12233917]

>>12233906
IM GONNA COOOM

[Anonymous No.12233926]

I've watched a lot of videos reviewing the idea of Starship is an Earth to Earth transportation system. My personal conclusion is there is a use case for rapid delivery of cargo to distribution centers and military installations but no real viability for it as a passenger taking vehicle. It will be far too loud, spaceports will have to be built too far from population centers and after all of the refueling, loading of passengers and waiting for a launch window, there WILL be a time saving versus jets but nowhere near as little a 30 minute journey. I don't mention cost or safety because both of those are things that will improve. Feel free to disagree, I really want to believe it's possible but I'm just not seeing it.

https://youtu.be/KuRu1CP6sOM
https://youtu.be/fnTjLGxgmKE
https://youtu.be/j4KR4-TN-Yo

(Yes one of them is Thundertard but I seriously cannot disprove his arguments on this one)

[Anonymous No.12233929]

>>12233926
It'll be the fastest way to travel long distances on the Moon. Once you have a spaceport set up and can fuel Starships there, everyone else is FINITO.

[Anonymous No.12233938]

>>12233926
Before I read that you watched Athletesf00t's video, I wrote this weak bait:

Poor redditor. If only you had watched Thunderf00t's complete debunk of E2E. Prepare to feel reaaaally stupid, Phil Mason is about to serve up a harsh cup of reality

followed by a link to the video.

[Anonymous No.12233943]

>>12233929
We already decided we're using trains

[Anonymous No.12233950]

>>12233926
I hate agreeing with thunderfag but yes I don't see this happening either. I believe most of the problems could be ironed out but the two big things for me are the noise and the psychological barrier. Look at the re entry boom diagrams on that environmental report reaching across the gulf of Mexico and it seems laughable this will be allowed anywhere within a few hours of a city. The other thing is convincing normies to get on a rocket, no matter how safe it might actually be, the (correct) perception of a giant fuel air bomb pushing you at several g is way outside the comfort zone of most people.

[Anonymous No.12233977]

>>12233906
saw this on reddit

[Anonymous No.12233990]

okay bros, place your bets on which smallsat launch companies will survive

rocket labs - I think they will do fine, they have a pretty good position and they are diversifying a lot out of pure smallsat launch services
astra - not looking great, which is a shame because they have a pretty cool concept if they could just manage to stop fucking up

straolaunch/virgin orbit - I'm not real big on air launch, I can see it being useful in a few cases (like if they could sell it to israel, but I think jews would rather have a domestic system even without ITAR and all that shit), but I don't see it becoming a big thing. Virgin orbit at least has branson to pay the bills until he gets bored with it, but I don't think things are looking good for stratolaunch.

firefly - kinda interesting, but they still haven't managed to get anything flying and I don't see anything particularly compelling about their system. They are at least trying to get into lunar landers and shit too, but not sure how far along they are on that. I'd give them a maybe, overall they seem like off-brand rocket lab and further behind but they could conceivably pull through.

aevum - I can't find a whole lot about them, but they seem to be going for the airlaunch meme but with their own drone carrying the rocket instead of a 747 or something. It looks cool at least, and I think autonomous carriers would improve the airlaunch concept a bit, but the development costs and effort are going to be a lot higher than a regular launch. I don't know enough about their funding and resources to make a good judgement, but it does have a whiff of vaporware to me.

orbex - some interesting stuff from them and PROPALOX, they seem to be coming along fairly well but like firefly I don't see anything super special from them. I would rate them about the same as firefly, they don't have any projects other than the launch vehicle afaik but it looks less retarded than the firefly rocket

[Anonymous No.12233996]

>>12233977
An image is an image, Anon, it doesn't matter where it came from. Also, how would you now?

[Anonymous No.12233999]

>>12233428
>>12233516
Hey give us burgers time to wake up first. I found it the other day when sorting some of my images.

[Anonymous No.12234002]

>>12233943
>>>/n/

[Anonymous No.12234003]

>>12234002
superconducting maglev trains

[Anonymous No.12234008]

>>12234002
one day, /sfg/ will go on /n/, one day anons.

[Anonymous No.12234011]

>>12234008
the first time point 2 point happens I'm absolutely just moving the whole general to /n/

[Anonymous No.12234014]

>>12233977
i didnt take it from reddit, though upscaling is pretty easy to do. i'll take requests if you want

[Anonymous No.12234020]

>>12234002
>nigger
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.12234022]

>>12234020
"go back to the transportation board, which is entirely about trains"

[Anonymous No.12234023]

>>12233999
rip, no one has the original

[Anonymous No.12234030]

>>12233990
WILDCARD PREDICTION
each country can support their own state subsidized smallsat launchers. therefore, all of them will survive by being absorbed

[Anonymous No.12234049]

>>12234003
I mean maglev would be pretty easy on the moon I guess.

[Anonymous No.12234109]

>>12233926
yeah thundercuck is right on this
personally i also believe that stuff like that and the hyperloop are the reason why he began shitting on elon in the first place since he now thinks anything from him will never work and he has too much of an ego to change his mind about the rest

[Anonymous No.12234131]

in 12 minutes they can already start preparations for a static fire

[Anonymous No.12234136]

>>12234109
Thunderfag is wrong about everything he’s ever said

[Anonymous No.12234147]

>>12233990
>which smallsat launch companies will survive
For starters, you can eliminate all the companies that haven't successfully launched anything.
At this point in the smallsat game unless you already have working hardware or are bringing something wildly new to the party, you have no chance.

[Anonymous No.12234148]

>>12233906
>ai upscaler used brushstrokes to fill in "detail"
Anon...

[Anonymous No.12234157]

So SN8 is on the launch stand and prepping for a static fire, but the nose cone isn't installed.
Are they going to bring the nose cone to it, or drag SN8 back to a high bay to drop the nose cone on?

[Anonymous No.12234163]

>>12234148
depends on the image, but it's not quite brushstrokes. something different, almost glitchy

[Anonymous No.12234165]

>>12234157
nosecone after SF

[Anonymous No.12234166]

A Russian Tsyklon-B (Parus) satellite and Chinese stage might collide tonight https://www.foxnews.com/science/very-high-risk-2-pieces-of-space-junk-could-collide-reports.amp

[Anonymous No.12234168]

>>12234166
>faux news
sure pal

[Anonymous No.12234171]

>>12234168
Kys communist

[Anonymous No.12234172]

>>12234166
Not fox news, cite one of the orbital mechanics guru on twitter or LEOlabs themselves who brought this entire thing up in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12234177]

>>12234172
They're both cited in the article moron. Amazing how people's brains turn off when they see a website they dislike for totally irrelevant reasons

[Anonymous No.12234181]

>>12234177
it's almost like we've been talking about this for a couple of days now and posting a link to Fox News makes it abundantly clear that you're not from around here

[Anonymous No.12234184]

>>12234171
lol ok jew cock sucker

[Anonymous No.12234198]

>>12233990
All in one no one.
Why would you ever get 100 different rockets to do 100 different jobs when you could get 1 rocket to do 200 different jobs and for lower cost.

[Anonymous No.12234205]

>>12234181
If you spent 10 seconds skimming the article you'd have noticed that it literally consists of a few embedded tweets from the original sources and a few sentences paraphrasing what was in them. Getting this triggered over a fox news url is just sad

>we've been talking about this for a couple of days now
Guys, we've already been talking about SN8 and Blue Origin and the orbital refueling contract for a few days now so it's time to find some new topics cause anon here says so. If you keep talking about them that means you're new :^)

[Anonymous No.12234213]

>>12234205
>a literal repost of shit we already know from the MSM
fuck off
>bros why are you getting triggered by this MSM link bro bro bro
go suck the Jew cock somewhere else

[Anonymous No.12234218]

Now that we have that settled, is everyone enjoying IAC 2020 Cybertron Edition?

[Anonymous No.12234219]

>>12234166
>1000km altitude
That debris cloud will stay there for hundreds of years!

[Anonymous No.12234223]

>>12234218
no
also, post more youtube links please

[Anonymous No.12234229]

>>12234223
>>12234218
This channel seems to be good for new IAC uploads-
https://www.youtube.com/c/RawSpaceVideos

[Anonymous No.12234234]

>>12234136
so creationism is the truth?

[Anonymous No.12234238]

>>12234213
This general would be pretty dead if leaks of breakthrough research is all you think should be allowed. Everything else someone might post could qualify as "shit we already know". And you're aware fox is the only mainstream network not owned by jews right?

[Anonymous No.12234240]

>>12234219
this is why you do your staging at barely over 200 km

[Anonymous No.12234242]

>>12234184
Jews are cool

[Anonymous No.12234243]

>>12232575
I just want everyone to instead tweet "depot" at Shelby until he has a stroke.

[Anonymous No.12234244]

>>12234234
yes!

[Anonymous No.12234247]

>>12234243
hahaha depot lol

[Anonymous No.12234248]

>>12234218
Check out Jim at 12:45 for a surprise
https://youtu.be/3VrdzbBoi5U

[Anonymous No.12234252]

>>12234234
If evolution was true, we’d kill disabled people.

[Anonymous No.12234253]

>>12234247
If enough people do it, it can happen.

[Anonymous No.12234262]

>>12234248
That was just the Alcubierre drive spooling down.

[Anonymous No.12234263]

>>12234242
Based, we love our Jews here on /sfg/

>>12234252
Anon, I....

>>12234247
Elon is that u?

>>12234244
Based, and heaven is real

>>12234218
Yes, and based

>>12234184
Back off, this is a semite safe zone. Leave

[Anonymous No.12234268]

>>12234263
>Based, we love our Jews here on /sfg/
What do you gain from lying?

[Anonymous No.12234269]

>>12234263
>Based, we love our Jews here on /sfg/
>this is a semite safe zone.

[Anonymous No.12234276]

>>12234263
fuck off nigger

[Anonymous No.12234288]

You know what to do

[Anonymous No.12234295]

>>12234288
i'm not pulling your finger, jim.

[Anonymous No.12234300]

>>12234288
inshallah

[Anonymous No.12234312]

>>12234300
Y-yeah

[Anonymous No.12234320]

>>12234288
allahu akbar

[Anonymous No.12234329]

While searching up pics of Jim, I found an old one with Zurbuchen and Dewit. Dewit looks miserable for some reason....I don't like that guy bros

[Anonymous No.12234335]

>>12234329
Dewit is a soleless corporate stooge, Jim is a rocket farmboy with soul

[Anonymous No.12234336]

>>12234252
i never said we shouldn't kill the creationists

[Anonymous No.12234343]

>>12234335
/sfg/ movie night? let's watch astronaut farmer

[Anonymous No.12234345]

>>12231660
god the soyuz is a gorgeous rocket, the closest to a truly industrial looking space vehicle still launching

[Anonymous No.12234356]

>>12234268
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.12234360]

>>12234356
b-but zubrin is italian guys
please god just be italian
oooooh nononono

[Anonymous No.12234368]

>>12234268
Jim ((Bridenstein))

[Anonymous No.12234388]

>>12232642
Yup, good that he's not homeless any more, best news of october

[Anonymous No.12234411]

>>12234388
I enjoy the bite-sized actual science news style

[Anonymous No.12234527]

New thread
>>12234521
>>12234521
>>12234521
>>12234521

[Anonymous No.12234601]

>>12233990
I'd suggest the UK MoD might fund Skyrora and Orbex and even possibly VO as part of ensuring access to space along with the Scottish spaceport. Even just a cubesat launch capability is nice to have

[Anonymous No.12234651]

>>12233762
Is it supposed to be ironically funny?

[Anonymous No.12234679]

>>12233196
I LOVE HER. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.12234852]

>>12232139
Jim’s joy juice

[Anonymous No.12234882]

>>12233196
Five star post

[Anonymous No.12234946]

>>12232735
Larp somewhere else

[Anonymous No.12235034]

>>12234288
Put it in my ass daddy like a big rocket vroom swhoosh

[Anonymous No.12235137]

>>12234023
I can just remake it if you guys want. Already found the source images

[Anonymous No.12235139]

>>12234166
>Tsyklon-B
kek