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/sfg/ Spaceflight General Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:28:08 2020 No.12225205 [Reply] [Original]

Deep Space Transport edition

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>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:29:16 2020 No.12225209 syntin chads rise up

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:29:22 2020 No.12225210 File: 361 KB, 776x609, HwJMiKS5KsGQ276Edd7y6Z.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Buran!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:30:25 2020 No.12225214 UPDATES: -All 3 Raptors installed on SN8 -Rumors that F9s are grounded due to faulty gas generator parts in new Merlins -Ex-cosmonaut Maxim Suarev trolls Roscosmos on twitter -Soyuz MS-16 set to launch to ISS tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:30:26 2020 No.12225215 File: 2.57 MB, 1280x720, 1580260315358.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225205 I tried to start a new thread but I got seven layers of captcha "please select the crosswalks" I'm glad you got it covered anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:30:32 2020 No.12225216 File: 1.17 MB, 1200x1200, hypermaracas.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225205

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:32:59 2020 No.12225225 >>12225215 axiom is cool but why is the new station so tiny

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:33:58 2020 No.12225229 >>12225205 Fucking based edition

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:35:18 2020 No.12225234 File: 80 KB, 512x384, unnamed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225216 TOO FAST ANON >>12225225 I'd rather a small station launched quick then a medium sized station launched over 20 years

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:35:23 2020 No.12225235 File: 39 KB, 575x425, ssf9112.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225225 Because the ISS was overbuilt compared to what it should have been and solar panels are more efficient today than they were in 1998

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:35:56 2020 No.12225237 >>12225225 It's not designed around the existence of Starship so they're planning in using existing commercial rockets for now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:36:40 2020 No.12225241 >>12225215 Wtf why did they streak Harmony at the end? Lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:37:11 2020 No.12225244 fucking fuck somebody just make a good electricity generator we can throw into space already I don't care if it's fission or fusion or a goddamn coal plant just give me a big power supply to fuck around with

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:38:18 2020 No.12225247 File: 46 KB, 665x381, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SLS is a death machine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:39:17 2020 No.12225250 >>12225244 Honestly all you need are big reactors on moons and planets and you can probably get away with fuel cells and beamed power for the rest.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:39:43 2020 No.12225255
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>>12225235
>the NASA shuttle management bureau went out of their way to overdesign space station freedom so it would take as much shuttle launches as possible
we could of have a station very rapidly to counter the soviets

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:41:37 2020 No.12225264 >>12225244 State-of-the-art solar panels give you 6.7 kW/kg vs. 150 kW/kg for the 10 kWe kilopower reactor NASA was looking at.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:42:03 2020 No.12225266 >>12225241 dont worry about it just look away

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:43:51 2020 No.12225269 lunar aluminox hobby rockets when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:44:15 2020 No.12225272 File: 143 KB, 1120x617, CC89E807-1CA0-4885-A22A-57ED974F5DB3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225247 Wtf October Sky dude is based?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:45:34 2020 No.12225277 >>12225269 Aluminox LESS orbital surfboard racing league.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:45:55 2020 No.12225278 >Palaszewski & Bennett mention 1950 film ROCKETSHIP X-M, in which propellants are "atomic hydrogen and ozone." when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:46:50 2020 No.12225280 >>12225264 >10 kWe kilopower So an RTG? Kilopower is a fucking meme. 1MWe steady output please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:48:11 2020 No.12225285 bros imagine how much more fun model rockets would be on the moon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:51:53 2020 No.12225292 >>12225234 but it's gonna be like 10 years before they detach and they havent launched a single module

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:52:17 2020 No.12225294 >>12225285 Could... could you get a model rocket to orbit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:52:42 2020 No.12225295 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O97dPDkUGg4 Only 8 hours until the new shepard does a launch

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:52:57 2020 No.12225296
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SLS will fail critically on Artemis 1 because Boeing didn't do integration testing for SLS or Starliner and we saw how fucking well that went, but there isn't time to add integration testing and still make 2024

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:53:19 2020 No.12225297 >>12225295 *years

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:54:13 2020 No.12225298 >>12225294 if you mean use model rocket motors, no, the ISP is too shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:54:36 2020 No.12225299 >>12225296 The implication from Hullo seems to be that they are going to go for it anyways because it is unmanned. So likely yes something will go wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:54:36 2020 No.12225300 >>12225294 not one of the store-bought ones that only go up a couple thousand feet

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:55:01 2020 No.12225305 >>12225280 wat is sufficient to charge my nintendo switch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:55:25 2020 No.12225307 >>12225299 >SLS detonates on the pad >Richard Shelby commits suicide by two shots to the back of the head

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:56:34 2020 No.12225311 >>12225305 39 watt, specifically

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:57:47 2020 No.12225312 >>12225299 imagine being slated astronaut for artemis 2. nuts of steel

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:58:51 2020 No.12225314 >>12225311 so i should be ok

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:59:19 2020 No.12225315
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>>12225307
In all honesty this is what I see happening:
>Something will go wrong. Maybe not something critical, but there will be a major error. We will see a tweet along the lines of "grounds crew are working to diagnose the problem"
>NASA will try to justify it but they will be pissed. Jim will be passive aggressive but call it a success
>Boeing will be petty and pull the most passive aggressive press release known to man:
"We here at boeing believe in testing. We asked NASA for more time to test but the launch schedule was unmovable. This is why delays need to happen and funding must always be secured for more tests to ensure the safety of the first woman and next man on the moon"

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:59:56 2020 No.12225317 >>12225294 with a good sized composite motor sure, you only need like 1.9km/s and no atmospheric losses to worry about the regular estes black powder shit wouldn't work, but you could still get some pretty good heights with them

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:00:05 2020 No.12225318 >>12225314 You can charge modern portable eelectronics with a stationary bike.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:02:03 2020 No.12225324 >>12225318 only if you have legs

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:02:29 2020 No.12225325 >>12225324 just push the pedals with your hands or your tongue or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:03:36 2020 No.12225328 >>12225315 Holy fuck if boeing tries to turn it around on NASA we might actually see Jim enter his final form

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:04:18 2020 No.12225329 >>12225325 i am an intellectual sir, not a beast of burden

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:04:53 2020 No.12225331 >>12225325 Trillion dollar idea: sex doll that generates electricity from humping it

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:05:51 2020 No.12225334 >>12225328 There's no way, Boeing has lost the benefit of the doubt long ago, to the point where the cash for OFT reflight came out of their own pocket

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:10:01 2020 No.12225345

>>12225328
>Jim goes in front of Congress and says Starship is further ahead in development that SLS and that Boeing has become a habitual failure, and that funding should be shifted to ensure continuity of American superheavy lift capabilities from American Soil carrying American Americans to new Americas around the America System.

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Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:20:38 2020 No.12225381

I have an idea. It’s probably shit but hear me out. What if SpaceX flew cargo to the moon on an expendable Starship? Still make Superheavy reusable, but put like 3 vacuum raptors on Starship and add a nice payload fairing and BAM you have like 40 tons to a trans lunar injection at a cost of under $50 Million.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:26:33 2020 No.12225396 >>12225381 it's not an absurd suggestion, but lunar reentry is probably going to be an easier problem to solve than tanker refueling is. especially for unmanned starships, they can just make as many aerobraking passes as they want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:38:38 2020 No.12225420 File: 340 KB, 750x1334, 79B245A5-0D8C-4800-8BA8-658E598CD9D0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder: fuck twitter

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:39:19 2020 No.12225423 >>12225247 Is he still working at NASA?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:43:13 2020 No.12225430 >>12225420 What are the libs afraid of now? What's the worst the new chick could do

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:47:12 2020 No.12225438 >>12225430 Make it so that your state gets to decide whether you can legally kill your baby

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:50:43 2020 No.12225441 File: 25 KB, 389x550, 1524030761189.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If SpaceX internally expects to achieve $500k per ticket to Mars by 2050, shouldn't Starship be retired by then? Feels like 18m variant would come online by that point

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:53:33 2020 No.12225446 >>12225438 Won't happen, and if it does, literally who gives a shit. Move to a different state. It's not worth crying over. Won't have to worry about any of this shit once male contraceptives show up

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:56:16 2020 No.12225449 >>12225441 >$500k per ticket to Mars by 2050 Wait, is that inflation adjusted?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:02:58 2020 No.12225465 >>12225449 no clue

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:06:26 2020 No.12225467

>>12225234
I periodically see stuff about inflatable stations, but nothing seems to get launched. Bigelow has been tooling around for longer than Falcons have been flying, and still not put anything in orbit.

Shit, thinking about inflatables is reminding me of Exo, and I hated that book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:07:54 2020 No.12225468 >>12225449 Inflation won't rise above a couple percent for the foreseeable future. But you could get to $500k with stonks pretty quickly.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:09:28 2020 No.12225470

>>12225272
Literally the only two things Obama ever did regarding guns were:
1. ban from National Parks
2. universal background checks
both of which didn't pan out. Millions of people mindgamed themselves into giving an industry already flush with cash even more, and donating to the most corrupt and self dealing organization after FIFA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:11:10 2020 No.12225474 >>12225470 Biden's self proclaimed gun czar is a full unapologetic confiscationist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:12:08 2020 No.12225477 >>12225467 wot? bigelow has had an i flatable attached to the iss for over 4 years. doesnt change the fact that their management wont accomplish shit. sierra nevada x axiom ftw

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:13:37 2020 No.12225479 >>12225474 biden will accomplish jack shit as president. it would never pass congress

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:15:17 2020 No.12225483 >>12225477 Sierra Nevada is based they are the epitome of "we have cool stuff but keep getting cucked". Like they can't catch a contract to save their life. But their inflatable module mockups look cool

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:18:35 2020 No.12225490 File: 112 KB, 750x500, snc deflate hab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225483 Here's your module bro

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:20:27 2020 No.12225495 >>12225490 They’re missing the obligatory giant american flag on the wall

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:21:25 2020 No.12225501 File: 110 KB, 900x675, 8a10xoqrgyu31.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225490 lmfao it runs deep

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:21:59 2020 No.12225502 >>12225468 The value of a dollar would still be cut nearly in half at that rate in 30 years, and someone not fucking up and spiking inflation is a big if. Memory of the late 70s and the hyperfocus on keeping inflation down is fading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:24:28 2020 No.12225506 >>12225483 maybe nasa knows something we dont. maybe snc is a big nothingburger....what does snc even do in the meantime? how are they alive???

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:26:03 2020 No.12225511 >>12225474 Biden won't be able to do any more than Obama did, because the Democrats aren't going to reach supermajority numbers that would enable them to override Republican opposition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:26:26 2020 No.12225512 >>12225501 Blue Testicle wet workshop when?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:28:49 2020 No.12225519

>>12225506
Their biggest proposal was dreamchaser, which in all fairness wasn’t that bad. But spacex had too big of a deal to pass up and they “had” to go with boeing as well so that left no money for crewed dreamchaser. But they gave them a contract for a few cargo resupplies with an unmanned dreamchaser. Basically sierra nevada was blue balled because they made it pretty deep into the commercial crew selection process

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:30:58 2020 No.12225523 >>12225519 SNC and SpaceX being neck and neck would be much more interesting than SpaceX blowing Boing the fuck out

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:31:58 2020 No.12225525 File: 308 KB, 1100x778, 1555376494745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can anyone recommend a good, comprehensive source for learning about spaceflight?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:32:03 2020 No.12225526 REPLENISHABLE COW PISS AIRLOCKS

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:32:32 2020 No.12225528 >>12225523 Believe it or not, Boeing's participation legitimized the program in the eyes of Congress.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:33:24 2020 No.12225531 >>12225528 I know

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:33:36 2020 No.12225532 >>12225526 i so badly want to breastfeed bros

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:34:49 2020 No.12225537 >>12225523 There's talk of recompeting isnt there?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:35:09 2020 No.12225538

>>12225523
SNC having a bright future would be healthy for aerospace overall. Dreamchaser could opt to launch on a falcon heavy and thus bring money to both companies... I really really hope they specialize in inflatable habs in the future and launch a fuck load of them on starship. It would really supplement ISS and gateway and could provide lots of living space for the ride out to Mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:35:34 2020 No.12225540 >>12225470 "Universal background checks" is code for no private sales, gifts, or passing down family heirlooms without a government record of both parties. It's more objectionable than the machine gun ban.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:36:22 2020 No.12225544 >>12225525 >no shower

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:37:25 2020 No.12225546 >>12225540 Cry more, the salt is delicious.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:37:51 2020 No.12225547

>>12225538
I personally and firmly believe that there is absolutely no place in space for spaceplanes unless they have at least 6 km/s of delta v without any drop tanks or staging
if all you want is a capsule, go build a fucking capsule you dipshits god fuck I need a drink

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:38:35 2020 No.12225551 >>12225544 just pee in the sink retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:38:53 2020 No.12225553 >>12225540 but anon isn't it ILLEGAL for the ATF to keep those records???

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:40:52 2020 No.12225557 >>12225551 But that won't clear your eyes.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:41:01 2020 No.12225558

>>12225547
Yeah dreamchaser would have been cooler had it been ready in like 2000-2010 to immediately replace the shuttle for a while. Could have launched crew and cargo separately like they do with the capsules. But it is what it is. SNC have done more than blue origin and I don’t know HOW they have stayed in business over the years (I think they get defense contacts too? I’m not sure). Either way they should probably shift their focus on supplementing starship with habs and technology because ain’t no way you are going to compete with starship and stay in business 10 yrs from now

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:41:03 2020 No.12225559 >>12225446 But then liberal states would get more nog babies polluting the streets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:41:14 2020 No.12225561 >>12225553 Those are the stores' sale records. The background checks go through the FBI and are computerized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:41:22 2020 No.12225563 >>12225544 What would that be useful for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:42:22 2020 No.12225565 >>12225525 Literally the only tech stopping us from having shit like this is reactionless drives. Fuck I want it so bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:44:28 2020 No.12225571 >>12225525 Kerbal Space Program.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:44:50 2020 No.12225572 >>12225565 No, the problem is power supplies. If you can generate arbitrary amounts of energy you can use high thrust photon rockets.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:48:56 2020 No.12225581

>>12225572
>high thrust photon rockets.
what in the god damned.....with PERFECt collimation you get one newton of thrust for every 300 mw of power. It works,but it's not "high thrust". You're almost always better going with hydrogen as a reaction mass desu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:49:17 2020 No.12225582 >>12225581 just use more power problem solved

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:50:50 2020 No.12225586 >>12225581 >ARBITRARY AMOUNTS OF ENERGY

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:52:17 2020 No.12225590 >>12225581 yeah but where are you going to get hydrogen just use your arbitrary energy gun to solve the problems

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:53:49 2020 No.12225591 >>12225582 >>12225586 i like your spirit,but there's wisdom to decoupling power generation from the craft https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330497100_Breaking_the_Tyranny_of_the_Rocket_Equation_with_Photons

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:55:22 2020 No.12225594 300 kilometers per second is what we need.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:56:52 2020 No.12225598 >>12225594 I have a spicy SRB to sell you

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:58:38 2020 No.12225602 >>12225594 300 kilometers per second per second*

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:58:48 2020 No.12225603 >>12225594 have you considered infinite Starship refueling ladder

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:58:56 2020 No.12225604 File: 426 KB, 1440x2560, Screenshot_2020-10-12-23-58-30.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225591 So it's an emdrive proposal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:00:01 2020 No.12225605 >>12225604 no, the photon source and the primary mirror will throw themselves apart

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:01:19 2020 No.12225610 >>12225604 hhahahaha nah this guy is an actual researcher and not a weirdo tinkering hackfraud

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:06:53 2020 No.12225618 >>12225241 Snitches get stitches. Mind your own business.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:25:53 2020 No.12225660 File: 673 KB, 1915x1079, Screenshot_20201013-002538_YouTube.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's your IAC 2020 bros https://youtu.be/xIXj7FwBzsI

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:28:22 2020 No.12225664 File: 277 KB, 1902x1080, 20201013_002801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225660 the gang's all here!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:30:19 2020 No.12225669 >>12225664 >>12225660 look at how happy Big Jim is in that thumbnail he's having the time of his life

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:32:12 2020 No.12225675 >>12225669 look at his style, polka dot meatbols

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:33:48 2020 No.12225681 >>12225660 jesus christ can we please ban frenchoids from trying to speak english my ears are physically bleeding

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:34:58 2020 No.12225683 >>12225660 is it just me or is the audio quality fucking horrendous? i cant hear my boy rogozin

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:36:04 2020 No.12225687 >>12225683 they muted Rogozin because they knew he wouldn't have anything interesting to say

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:38:55 2020 No.12225693 >>12225681 Their women all need to know English to understand their customers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:40:28 2020 No.12225700 >>12225660 nippon speaks quite well, epic based

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:42:32 2020 No.12225705 >>12225664 >>12225660 >rogozins office bruh

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:44:47 2020 No.12225708 >>12225525 Wikipedia will get you a very long way. Astronautics and RussianSpaceWeb will fulfill your autism. If all else fails, unironically, /sfg/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:47:34 2020 No.12225721 File: 2.23 MB, 4272x2848, index.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it begins

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:49:00 2020 No.12225727 >>12225525 KSP for basic orbital mechanics KSP with RO/RP1 for more autism and space history wikipedia

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:49:29 2020 No.12225729 >>12225693 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:53:08 2020 No.12225741 >>12225660 chinese translator girl is cute CUTE!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:55:10 2020 No.12225746 >>12225721 I'm CONING

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 03:55:48 2020 No.12225748 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1315804075099787264 thanks, Elon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:07:29 2020 No.12225773 >>12225741 Uh oh she got the hook mid translation. Immediately replaced by some hag....i hope she is ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:08:32 2020 No.12225778 If Gateway ever gets built, SpaceX should paint the Dragon XL bright purple and get a sponsorship deal. >NASA SpaceFood presented by Bad Dragon XL - for all those hard to reach orbits

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:10:11 2020 No.12225786 >>12225778 >hilarious and original they should paint it rainbow and shove it up your ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:11:12 2020 No.12225789 File: 233 KB, 287x713, 1524015889734.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225748 You are welcome

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:28:13 2020 No.12225846 Kessler was a hack fraud

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:30:13 2020 No.12225853 >>12225846 I'm going to k-bomb this anon's orbit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:31:55 2020 No.12225858 >>12225853 You will do nothing of the sort

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:32:12 2020 No.12225859 >>12225786 *Boeing's ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:34:33 2020 No.12225865 >>12225846 I’m not sure about that. However, if I hear one more space “enthusiast” claim that Kessler syndrome is some sort of inevitable apocalyptic crisis, I’m gonna lose my mind. It’s like they watched Gravity and assumed it was a documentary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:38:02 2020 No.12225874 >>12225865 That's kinda what I was getting at in fewer words lol

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:39:51 2020 No.12225878

>>12225846
No, it's a thing to be concerned about. But it's also been absorbed into pop culture in a massively exaggerated form, and now we've got a bunch of barely knowledgeable people who don't realize that mitigation is already taken into account with almost every launch, freaking the fuck out over smallsat constellations designed to passively deorbit themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:40:43 2020 No.12225881 >>12225874 I especially love the reddit comments that paint starlink as some sort of ticking time bomb.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:41:33 2020 No.12225883 >>12225881 it's not a time bomb, it's a remote mine

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:43:57 2020 No.12225891 >>12225881 laser links can blind pilots

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:48:19 2020 No.12225897

>>12225891
>laser blinds pilots
>this causes 2 planes to collide in midair
>debris somehow gains enough energy in the collision to get thrown into a lofted suborbital trajectory
>debris impacts multiple satellites in LEO, sending exponentially more debris into various eccentric orbits
>space is now inaccessible for centuries
Starlink needs to be stopped before it’s too late.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:49:00 2020 No.12225898 >>12225897 what if Starlink falls on a black inner-city child

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:52:42 2020 No.12225903 File: 493 KB, 750x426, 1588665938353.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225898 I'll buy starlink stock

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:54:58 2020 No.12225907 >>12225897 This is what happens when we let neo-nazi elon run rampant in the sky. fucking nazi scum

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:56:19 2020 No.12225910 >>12225898 The risk is simply too great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:58:08 2020 No.12225916 Introduciiiiing THOMAS ZURBY and the KATHEY LEUGER CREW https://youtu.be/2e8wAIFKvNA

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:03:17 2020 No.12225932 File: 21 KB, 980x1100, 55067c949eb021ce8feba80e172a900d.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ALPACA on the moon!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:04:32 2020 No.12225935 >>12225883 That’s got me thinking. How much delta v does each individual starlink sat have once it’s in orbit? If it’s got enough, the whole constellation could be used as a pretty handy ASAT weapon for low-orbiting imaging satellites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:05:40 2020 No.12225938 >>12225935 or you could just blow them all up and create Earthnoid prison

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:06:54 2020 No.12225942 >>12225932 This is by far the best HLS concept (starship is cool, but really out of the scope of what NASA wants for Artemis). I really hope Dynetics doesn’t get fucked over in the down select.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:08:42 2020 No.12225945 >>12225942 Dynetics was ranked the highest of the three if you read the NASA decision report Starship was "best value" and Blue Balls was "tru$ted heritage National Team"

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:11:31 2020 No.12225952 >>12225938 just make sturdy rockets dumbass. and dont ever spew that popsci shit at me again

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:12:24 2020 No.12225954 >>12225952 just steer your Starlinks into any vessel attempting to leave Earth

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:13:51 2020 No.12225956 >>12225952 Armor plated, solid-launched, Orion-powered space cleanup ships when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:14:26 2020 No.12225959 >>12225954 ok faggot, you wanna pull that shit? talk to the hand

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:15:05 2020 No.12225960 >>12225956 just nuke it bro

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:16:38 2020 No.12225965 >>12225954 So brilliant pebbles, but instead of defending against ICBMs, it’s meant to stop the Earth-bound peasantry from polluting space with their mediocrity? I like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:19:45 2020 No.12225969 >>12225954 starlink with bomb pumped xray laser intersatellite communication links when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:22:16 2020 No.12225973 Why don't they just glue the starlinks together so that if they hit something they don't break into a million pieces?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:22:46 2020 No.12225976 Will there be a black person on dearmoon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:25:28 2020 No.12225980 >>12225721 Nosecones still look like shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:28:30 2020 No.12225986 >>12225980 Yeah. I’m curious how janky the actual production model starship is gonna look. They keep looking more and more like real launch vehicles with every iteration, but it’s still weird to see welded steel on something that’s supposed to fly.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:30:27 2020 No.12225992

>>12225980
Blame elon, he's so "proud" of how shitty it looks. get a load of the difference in gradient between cone an rest of fairing. frankly it's fucking embarrassing. also it's too pointy and warped as fuck with welds. they will NEVER put windows in that piece of shit, no structural integrity. they wont put a port in the nose either bc it opens right into the header tank. some big ol retards building this thing hurrhurr. it's unconscionable

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:32:07 2020 No.12225998

Why does that oxygen thief Bezos even exist? BO lander is a joke it's like he had an engineer put together a draft five minutes before meeting with NASA so he could scoop up those sweet billions without having to do anything. Why the fuck did they give him money?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:33:12 2020 No.12226000 >>12225965 Brilliant Plebbles

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:34:31 2020 No.12226002 >>12225992 I'm sure they'll smooth down the joints and give it a paint job bro calm down. They're literally still testing the tanks and engines it's still a prototype.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:36:21 2020 No.12226007

>>12225998
It's funny you say so bc it's so true. Why tf does BO need ANY government money. Since when does he care about operating at a loss? Truth is, BO can't finish a project to save their lives. They could never built a rocket on their own, so the sell to ULA. They could never build a lander on their own so they get oldspace. The LARPing with the boat and mission control and factories is just sad. Kill yourself Jeff, you're a laughing stock

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:38:07 2020 No.12226009 File: 152 KB, 2000x1334, why-pays-be-jerk-like-jeff-bezos.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226007

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:39:08 2020 No.12226010 >>12226007 bald people are still people be nice to the guy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:39:55 2020 No.12226011 >>12226002 >paint job you want paint? five million dollar please, paint is extra

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:40:11 2020 No.12226012 >>12225998 It feels like Jeff is only in it for the fame? or maybe to feel like a real spaceman. Either way, he's a child in a musky world

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:42:17 2020 No.12226017 fuck Earthnoids

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:42:47 2020 No.12226019 there is NO legitimate reason for leaving earth

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:43:04 2020 No.12226021 >>12226012 He's just half assing it. Amazon pushes the retail side of the house on borderline death marches for Prime Day and Q4, for everyone from warehouse wagies to senior SDEs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:45:43 2020 No.12226026 >>12226021 Bezos doesnt need full involvement in amazon to be successful anymore. It's a juggernaut with its own drives. Jefferson has NOOOO excuse for half assing space. BO doesnt have the talent, doesnt have the drive, and doesnt have God.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:46:22 2020 No.12226027 >>12226019 your soul is weighed down by gravity and thus you cannot fly

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:46:39 2020 No.12226029 >>12226011 Musk will create a rocket that paints itself mid launch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:47:33 2020 No.12226030 >>12226026 Blue Origin's soul is weighed down by gravity too oldspace is the definition of weighed down by gravity >>12226029 no

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:47:38 2020 No.12226032 >>12226026 Bezos is still very much personally involved with Amazon retail. He leaves AWS mostly alone and that works out great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 05:53:50 2020 No.12226041 >>12226032 Jeff Benos will never succeed in space, new shepard will scrub again and/or RUD on the pad. He should get a wig to fix that goofy head of his.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 06:02:37 2020 No.12226054 >>12225980 Might be hard to force the steel into the shape without machinery.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 06:05:12 2020 No.12226059 >>12226054 Maybe they’ll switch to a bigass stamping for a single-piece nose one at some point. Welds are fine for cylindrical barrel sections, but they don’t seem particularly efficient for more complex geometries.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 06:08:33 2020 No.12226065

>>12226054
I see no evidence they will ever change that. It's not just doing it by hand, shaping hard, cold rolled stainless is not something Elon is interested in due to the impracticality, hence the origami Cybertruck. It will always be an approximated cone made out of plates and anon will seethe forever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 06:12:43 2020 No.12226072 File: 48 KB, 620x178, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] good quotes from ESA addendum: fuck you Obama

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 06:50:15 2020 No.12226148 >>12225581 >take photon rocket >set up mirror at launch site >bounce photons back and forth >INFINITE THRUST

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 07:41:09 2020 No.12226246 We should use Ducats as the currency on Mars

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 07:47:22 2020 No.12226260

>>12226072
It really is. The Apollo missions are such outliers in the historic progression of technology. Sending people to another WORLD, grabbing a few rocks, driving around on a dune buggy. Then we stop doing it after the public gets bored with it and funding dries up. SIKES

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:04:19 2020 No.12226290

>>12226072
Eh, it still reflects a fundamentally broken policy in space exploration. The moon isn't a museum whose purpose is to be learned from, sure that's one aspect of it, but if you don't intend to use it as a staging ground it isn't worth going. Hence, lacking any plan for colonization and utilization, we stopped going.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:25:21 2020 No.12226327 We should have huge mines on the moon digging up cool minerals

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:27:24 2020 No.12226328 >>12225247 >Homer Sneed

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:30:13 2020 No.12226331 >>12225525 Kerbal Space Program and Scott Manley channel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:44:51 2020 No.12226346 >>12226327 We should have a fuckhuge McDonalds light add on the moon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:49:10 2020 No.12226349 >>12226346 Hell yeah, and a Sumerian temple to the Old Gods.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 08:49:45 2020 No.12226352 File: 445 KB, 2048x1536, KZeoS5MwTwKS48fkNvETqV.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] America's ORIGINAL reusable booster launching in 45 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O97dPDkUGg4

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:07:01 2020 No.12226378 File: 808 KB, 1280x546, 7CijEcO1x.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is his leadership so visionary, /sfg/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:16:30 2020 No.12226389 File: 289 KB, 750x750, elon musk + gwynne shotwell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >BO shills on main stream: 0 >BO shills on estronaut's stream: Many

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:21:46 2020 No.12226395 File: 284 KB, 1200x900, ops.meme_.nba_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225272 >republicans >more freedom

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:23:40 2020 No.12226398 >>12225778 they will dock there themselve to paint their logo and commit the first property degradation in space

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:24:16 2020 No.12226399 >>12226395 Yes. ???

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:26:44 2020 No.12226404 File: 35 KB, 474x641, OIP(3).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225328 Jim's final form is The Mountain (Dew)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:28:30 2020 No.12226405 >>12226399 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:28:31 2020 No.12226406 >>12226352 in b4 another scrub.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:29:59 2020 No.12226407 File: 50 KB, 1024x464, New Logo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225778 Take a Chance

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:30:05 2020 No.12226409 >You feel like you're going to space But you're not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:30:25 2020 No.12226411 >>12225345 >Congress says its racist, sexist and transphobic to spread America, we should cut funding and move funds to mandatory sex change of children and importing yong black and muslim males from Africa and Middle East.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:31:18 2020 No.12226413 >>12226409 But you FEEL like it. No one cares if they're going to space or not, they just want the feeling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:31:53 2020 No.12226416 T MINUS 5 MINUTES

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:32:38 2020 No.12226417 File: 100 KB, 461x1024, 1595616216905m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226411 Why does this shit stay rent free in your seething head?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:33:42 2020 No.12226419 >>12226416 It's gonna scrub a dub dub

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:34:17 2020 No.12226420 HOLD HOLD HOLD

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:34:19 2020 No.12226421 HOLD AT T-3:02

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:34:35 2020 No.12226422 >on hold

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:35:21 2020 No.12226423 HOLD OFF WE'RE GOING TO SPACE T-2:20

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:35:37 2020 No.12226424 >>12226420 >>12226421 >>12226422 nvm

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:35:41 2020 No.12226425 >>12226411 Yes, please import more Muslim men who want to kill trannies, fags, and atheists. I fully support this motion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:36:21 2020 No.12226427 love the pad noises

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:36:33 2020 No.12226428 >>12226425 They will only start killing them after killing all straight white males.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:36:37 2020 No.12226429
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>>12225525
Now this is comfy as fuck.
Also, purely hypothetically speaking, how would one go about designing long-term space habitation with Starship in mind as well as creating a company based on such a thing?
>>12226009
Why the fuck does his left eye always do that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:36:42 2020 No.12226430 >>12226405 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:37:39 2020 No.12226432 File: 337 KB, 1920x1080, brave_jBrKopaIJj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GODSPEED NEW SHEPARD

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:37:43 2020 No.12226433 >>12226428 You’re delusional.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:37:50 2020 No.12226434 File: 19 KB, 739x415, 9291E38D-B438-4C19-9B8E-73137A76016D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What percentage chance is there that #DearMoon will launch on time?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:38:04 2020 No.12226436 liftoff!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:38:42 2020 No.12226438 >altitude in ft

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:38:45 2020 No.12226439 File: 252 KB, 1920x1080, brave_jo77SL5wAB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] APOLOGIZE

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:38:46 2020 No.12226440 >>12226434 0%. Non-whites will destroy western civilization by then We are doomed and humanity will never go to space

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:39:17 2020 No.12226442 >>12226439 ONLY WHEN IN ORBIT CUNT

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:39:29 2020 No.12226443 So what would have happened if challenger never exploded, and the mission was a complete success?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:39:53 2020 No.12226444 A FUCKING SOUNDING ROCKET

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:41:46 2020 No.12226449 >>12226442 >>12226444 >sfg SEETHING because blue is crossing the karman line while elon's stuck fixing his broken gas generators

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:42:26 2020 No.12226452

>>12226443
Literally nothing until the next RUD happened. The shuttle actually had a good success rate in terms of launches (133/135) which is even better than Falcon 9 at the moment. However, all of its launches were manned, so any failures that ironed out things to improve on costed the lives of the crew.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:42:33 2020 No.12226453 >>12226449 Dude, if I want to cross the karman line, I don't need a fucking stumpy hydrolox tub.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:42:50 2020 No.12226455 >>12226449 >Blue Origin shill SEETHING because they’ve never launched anything to orbit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:42:57 2020 No.12226456 Sub orbital! >You're now an astronaut my friend! The absolute state of BO.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:44:51 2020 No.12226461 >>12226449 >0kg to orbit capability

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:45:35 2020 No.12226462 File: 514 KB, 1920x1080, brave_Ia0icTx4FG.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] LOOK AT THAT STABILITY!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:46:18 2020 No.12226464 MUSK WHO??

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:46:54 2020 No.12226466 she sounds legit scared of failure

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:47:35 2020 No.12226467 >tfw no qt gf who gets over excited over rocket landings

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:48:02 2020 No.12226470 >>12226466 Bezos will harvest her organs if it fails

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:48:10 2020 No.12226471 File: 458 KB, 1920x1080, brave_NW4Yri6nj1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A BEAUTIFUL, REFLECTIVE MOMENT

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:48:51 2020 No.12226472 >>12226407 someone really did it

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:49:31 2020 No.12226473 File: 371 KB, 1920x1080, brave_gsCiyezOAi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM BLUE ON ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL MISSION AMERICA'S PROVEN REUSABLE LAUNCHER

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:49:51 2020 No.12226474 >>12226462 >Imagine wasting all that fuel hovering instead of doing a hoverslam

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:51:41 2020 No.12226478 File: 356 KB, 1500x1120, 215825860.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soviet Energia and N1 transporter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:51:42 2020 No.12226477 gradatim ferociter

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:52:33 2020 No.12226479 >>12226473 Wasn't it supposed to have thrusters to slow its landing down instead of just slamming into the ground?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:52:48 2020 No.12226480
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Anything interesting about the Falcon 1 you guys want said? I looked into the Aggregat 12 and Tsyklon and foreign rockets are more research intensive, german rocket program is probably better as a full length vid, Tsyklon will come later though.

Which exact rocket did Elon want to buy when he went to Russia? I just keep seeing ICBM.

Here's my last vid:
https://youtu.be/DCEhQAgeVlM

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:53:51 2020 No.12226481 >>12226479 They do, look at a soyuz landing, it's a very similar look. They fire for a split second.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:53:58 2020 No.12226483
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>>12226443
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canceled_Space_Shuttle_missions#Canceled_due_to_the_Challenger_disaster

15 missions planned for 1986, including the first Vandenberg launches and Ulysses and Galileo on shuttle-centaur. Hubble too.

If they hadn't lost all the commcercial/DOD payloads it would have continued flying 10-15 times a year and once they started building Freedom it probably would have gone over 20.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:54:27 2020 No.12226484 >been a rocket company since 2000 >still no orbital rocket >20 years of pissing about

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:55:58 2020 No.12226487 >>12226072 Space Terra Nova expedition?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 09:57:38 2020 No.12226490

>>12226480
>Which exact rocket did Elon want to buy when he went to Russia? I just keep seeing ICBM.
You could ask him on twitter, interesting questions actually have a halfway decent chance of getting his attention. Plus, it gives him a chance to poke fun at Russia which he seems to enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:00:39 2020 No.12226496 >>12226480 Most likely Rokot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:01:22 2020 No.12226497 I want to shit on Blue but at the same time they are most likely the dude who are gonna get me to space. Starship hasn’t flown yet and until I see ticket prices and timelines I’m not considering it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:02:00 2020 No.12226498 >>12226497 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:04:22 2020 No.12226501 >>12226497 Ok Jeff

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:04:33 2020 No.12226502 >>12226490 https://twitter.com/CostPlusContent/status/1316016063591579650?s=20 Done, I wish he was like tory. Sad that he's popular with normies, I'd love to chat with him on twitter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:07:45 2020 No.12226506 >>12226498 >>12226501 Seriously. Even Virgin tells us “Yeah it’ll cost X amount of dollars” and their vehicle is flying now (Same with Blue). Starship hasn’t flown yet and we don’t know when it will be fully cost optimized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:07:58 2020 No.12226507 >>12226502 Tory's whole online persona is a corporate makeover to copy Musk. We know what his real persona is like, we know what the execs at ULA talk behind the backs. There are recordings of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:09:00 2020 No.12226508 >>12226506 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:11:10 2020 No.12226511 https://www.businessinsider.com/musks-spacex-partners-us-military-to-deliver-weapons-by-rockets-2020-10 Is this Starship or new vehicle?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:12:18 2020 No.12226512 >>12226511 >businessinsider LOL

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:12:42 2020 No.12226513 I may be a SpaceX fanboy, but even I can't deny that that was one smooth landing. Besides, competition is always good.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:12:44 2020 No.12226514

>>12226507
Is tory like that though? I've asked him personal questions and he has replied 100% of the time, even at 5am lmao. It's nice that his twitter feed is available and he can see everyone's question as opposed to Musk who could tweet out "ASDF" or something and get thousands of likes in 2 milliseconds- anything you want to ask Musk will forever get drowned out unless you are lucky enough to ask him about Tesla at an IAC conference lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:14:00 2020 No.12226520 >>12226514 Tory's trying to build out his brand image, his corporate image. But failing because everyone knows the game he's playing. Only retards fall for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:14:37 2020 No.12226521 >>12226513 New Shepard is a good vehicle. I would’ve followed it immediately by a “stretched” New Shepard with a dedicated second stage, and then new glenn

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:15:00 2020 No.12226522 File: 188 KB, 560x315, 1538138098203956_560_373.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How viable are the chinese startups?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:15:02 2020 No.12226523 >>12226507 Who cares, as long as he does it and isn't lying idgaf. Could you link the recordings?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:17:02 2020 No.12226529 >>12226522 Not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:17:08 2020 No.12226530 >>12226522 with gov money maybe. But it's possible. Haven't heard of landspace. Lots are just scams for foreign investors though I'm sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:17:15 2020 No.12226531 >>12226507 Holy shit redpill me on this. What did he do?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:17:41 2020 No.12226533

>>12226523
>Who cares
People in the space industry/defense industry are typically more conservative type. Not conservative politically, but conservatively as in their thinking approach. More cautious to trust, more sympathetic to geniune feeling. The opposite is true for more liberally minded who are trusting of others regardless of circumstances, don't care about genuine feelings but care more about outward appearances.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:21:54 2020 No.12226539

>>12226531
Not him personally but one of the ULA execs who got fired for a leaked audio recording of them saying what the corporate really thought about space industry, as well as their congress hearing shortly after about competition with spacex where he said "we can't compete with spacex" in many words. Do online search, you'll find it somewhere

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:24:34 2020 No.12226544 File: 1012 KB, 1449x1600, spacejaks.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:25:41 2020 No.12226546 >>12226544 triggered blue employee

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:25:43 2020 No.12226547 >>12226544 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:26:07 2020 No.12226549 >>12226544 So blueball posters are a real thing huh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:26:12 2020 No.12226550 https://soundcloud.com/user-556604054/ula-seminar The leaked audio from ULA. >>12226544 This but non-facetiously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:26:53 2020 No.12226551 >>12226544 But Anon, what if I told you that I'm excited for both?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:34:24 2020 No.12226561 File: 177 KB, 767x750, 1588787046541.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226544 keep crying, baby!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:35:44 2020 No.12226564 >>12226544 >1 suborbital ship in 20 years >multiple prototype in 1 year thats on the brink of suboribital in few weeks Being a Blue Origin employee must be hell

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:36:18 2020 No.12226565 >>12226544 >been going longer than SpaceX >gets a billion dorra/yr stipend to exist >has put 0kg in orbit This is the second most promising company in the space industry, and that's fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:41:22 2020 No.12226570 >>12226550 http://www.alternatewars.com/SpaceRace/SpX_ULA_Brett_Tobey.htm Transcript. VP of ULA thinks SpaceX is fake, I can guarantee you that almost everyone of his peers in the company(Tory Bruno) share the same opinion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:43:24 2020 No.12226577 >>12226544 Blue origin is cool, fuck the haters

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:45:58 2020 No.12226582 File: 548 KB, 1139x808, blue origin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226544 (((you)))

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:58:01 2020 No.12226597

>>12226570
he was likely correct that spacex was losing money in early 2016, although saying they were losing a quarter of a billion dollars on every launch was just silly. he wasn't saying spacex was fake, just that they were operating on a business model completely unlike what aerospace was used to. it's obvious he didn't expect them to have the success they had so quickly but he never says they weren't going to be successful. if anything it looks more like he's trying to get his audience to take them more seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:58:53 2020 No.12226602 File: 127 KB, 1024x870, James_McDivitt_Gemini.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226544 >a fucking feather

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 10:59:37 2020 No.12226607 >>12226597 He says its cheaper to throw away a rocket than to burn extra fuel and reuse it. The guy's an idiot.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:07:55 2020 No.12226633

>>12226607
They didn't fly a reused booster until more than a year after he said that though. It wasn't an absurd idea at the time that they were going to have much more trouble relaunching cores than they ended up having.

He was wrong and it sounds dumb today, absolutely, but for an oldspace guy talking in 2016 this is about as good as you were gonna get. Most of the guys he was talking to thought SpaceX was a ponzi scheme that was going to be out of business in 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:11:36 2020 No.12226646 >>12226522 Extremely viable, since they will get stolen blueprints from every western company.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:12:10 2020 No.12226648 >>12226646 kek you aren't wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:12:50 2020 No.12226651 >>12226646 Evidently space engineering is a bit harder than just stealing blueprints or else the chinese would've already landed on the moon by now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:14:00 2020 No.12226653 >>12226633 >Most of the guys he was talking to thought SpaceX was a ponzi scheme that was going to be out of business in 5 years. some people still think that

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:14:24 2020 No.12226655 >>12226651 Uh anon I...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:14:54 2020 No.12226657 >>12226655 Landed people on the moon I mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:17:27 2020 No.12226666 >>12226633 Rocket fuel cost less than 1% of rocket. How the fuck is burning extra fuel ever going to cost more than throwing away entire rocket? Fuel prices haven't changed that much.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:18:43 2020 No.12226671

>>12226657
Oh well they have intentions to do so. I kind of hope they do make it- only because it will cause a huge yellow fever throughout congress and everyone might be willing to throw unlimited gooberment money at commercial space (specifically SpaceX and blue origin). I think congress is at LEAST smart enough to know that SLS is a jobs program and won't compete with the chinese for a moon program long term. Plus jim would then openly shit on SLS and say starship is the best option

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:22:57 2020 No.12226688 >>12226671 Anon, that's not what yellow fever means. Please don't tell me you think US segregation was caused by jungle fever.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:23:05 2020 No.12226689

>>12226666
because we had already done a reusable rocket with the intent of dramatically lowering launch costs in the shuttle and it was a failure. people just kinda assumed reusability was a meme after that until elon knocked them upside the head with reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:23:23 2020 No.12226690 File: 7 KB, 320x206, space_shuttle_launch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226666 (checked) My guess is that they were still going with Shuttle mentality where the refurbishment would cost as much as making a new vehicle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:24:03 2020 No.12226694 >>12226666 lost payload capacity likely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:25:24 2020 No.12226698 >>12226671 >I think congress is at LEAST smart enough to know that SLS is a jobs program and won't compete with the chinese for a moon program long term. I wouldn't put it past them to assume that the landing was a fluke and to continue porking along.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:27:40 2020 No.12226701 Holy shit what is the ISP of the Merlin 1A, some say 245, some say 275.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:28:00 2020 No.12226705

>>12226689
>>12226690
So this is why Musk always talks about first principles instead of reason through analogy. Analogy only gets you to proper direction if the framework is same. Soon as a disruptive approach/idea comes through, you have to abandon old assumptions and start from scratch to get accurate conclusions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:28:46 2020 No.12226707 >>12226666 But if you don't throw away the rocket, how the fuck are you gonna charge the government cost plus for a new one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:29:21 2020 No.12226708 File: 345 KB, 1195x922, merlin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226701

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:30:06 2020 No.12226712 >>12226701 http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_2/United_States_1/Falcon-9/Merlin/index.htm >>12226708 Kek I was just about to post it. Seems too detailed to be fake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:31:53 2020 No.12226715 >>12226707 Hilariously enough this was arianespaces logic for not perusing reusability. Of course they couched it in terms of jobs but the subtext was clear.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:32:19 2020 No.12226716 >>12226688 Black pussy is great

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:35:34 2020 No.12226722
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>>12226715
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/05/ariane-chief-seems-frustrated-with-spacex-for-driving-down-launch-costs/
>Charmeau said something telling about why reusability doesn't make sense to a government-backed rocket company—jobs.
>"Let us say we had ten guaranteed launches per year in Europe and we had a rocket which we can use ten times—we would build exactly one rocket per year," he said. "That makes no sense. I cannot tell my teams: 'Goodbye, see you next year!'"
>he says the Ariane Group can't make a reusable rocket because it would be too efficient.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:36:24 2020 No.12226724 >>12226716 But is it the best?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:40:06 2020 No.12226733 >>12226722 Well, the obvious solution is to find more than 10 things to launch in a year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:40:09 2020 No.12226734 >>12226715 There's actually nothing hilarious about it. Most of the aerospace industry operates that way, Arianespace only accidentally stated it one time.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:40:53 2020 No.12226736
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>>12226395
>>12226405
Your internal stereotype is informed mostly by incorrect memes, a problem many people seem to have all across the political spectrum in regards to social views, beliefs, race, etc.
>"bUt ThE oThEr sIdE baAaD!"
So never talk to them, only hate, only fight/kill. See how mad that sounds?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:43:12 2020 No.12226742 >>12226736 Please stop politics posting before this thread goes off the rails.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:44:42 2020 No.12226745 File: 186 KB, 900x687, JWST.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226733 newspace probe development when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:45:20 2020 No.12226746 >>12226724 To me, yes, as long as it’s natural and hairy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:46:40 2020 No.12226752 >>12226734 >accidentally But nah it's actually really fucking funny watching delusional people deny reality, always has been

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:53:18 2020 No.12226767 >>12226722 Why not re-invest the costs of the other 9 rockets into R&D? Then your workers have something to do for the rest of the year, and you can write it off on taxes because you cut into your profits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 11:55:36 2020 No.12226773 >>12226767 Because Arianne is a jobs program spread over 15 countries. Making any changes takes 15x as much effort as making any changes to SLS would take.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:04:39 2020 No.12226800 >>12226773 Yeah, because SLS having contractors in every single FUCKING state is so much easier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:04:59 2020 No.12226803 when is the next starship hype presentation again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:07:06 2020 No.12226806 >>12226803 In ~2 week

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:17:10 2020 No.12226835 >>12226800 At least the states have a somewhat unified identity of being American. The countries of Europe have a long and strong history of being independent from each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:19:54 2020 No.12226843 >>12226835 >The countries of Europe have a long and strong easy tiger

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:20:03 2020 No.12226844 >>12226773 And SLS is different? How many states are involved in building that shitpile?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:22:55 2020 No.12226849 >>12226844 >How many states are involved in building that shitpile? https://www.nasa.gov/specials/ESDSuppliersMap/ yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:23:05 2020 No.12226851 BO webcasts sound like they're trying to sell you stuff (which is the case but still) Also a rocketcam would be nice

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:27:06 2020 No.12226866

>>12226722
>Asked about how the Ariane 5 compares to lower-cost alternatives on the market today, such as SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket, Stefano Bianchi, Head of ESA Launchers Development Department, responded with a question of his own. “Are you buying a Mercedes because it is cheap?”
> Ranzo, sitting nearby, chimed in and referenced the India-based maker of the world’s least expensive car. As he put it, “We don’t sell a Tata.”
Pity poor ESA - the best they can muster at this point is shittalking

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:27:07 2020 No.12226867 >>12226803 Postponed to December.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:27:37 2020 No.12226869 >>12226849 Arkansas-Walmart... never forget >>12226851 They do one fucking suborbital test after 20 years and their twitter goes crazy about “precision Moon landings with lunar technology aboard new shepherd”

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:32:00 2020 No.12226885 >>12225511 >what are executive orders

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:34:52 2020 No.12226889

>The founding member nations that have signed the Artemis Accords, in alphabetical order, are:

>Australia
>Canada
>Italy
>Japan
>Luxembourg
>United Arab Emirates
>United Kingdom
>United States of America

Once the ISS deorbits is that gonna be the end of the Russian manned program?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:35:48 2020 No.12226892 >>12226889 Based Luxembourg

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:35:55 2020 No.12226893 >>12226889 >Once the ISS deorbits is that gonna be the end of the Russian manned program? Not if they start cooperating with China.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:35:59 2020 No.12226895 File: 8 KB, 225x225, 3C77A635-040E-434A-A517-36315A94F229.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12225586 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:36:11 2020 No.12226896 >>12226869 >>They do one fucking suborbital test after 20 years and their twitter goes crazy about “precision Moon landings with lunar technology aboard new shepherd” Imagine a world without SpaceX...

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:37:11 2020 No.12226899

>>12226889
Idk of the russia-china alliance is a meme but there are only 2 options: russia’s manned space program fades into obscurity... or they work with China to get to the moon. I guess they COULD build a new space station and fuck about in LEO until the end of time but honestly that would be so retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:39:08 2020 No.12226902 >>12226889 Russia/EU gonna partner with China. Russia/EU thinks US is bad.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:39:51 2020 No.12226903
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>>12226899
>1969, soviets can't make it to the Moon because of their own incompetence
>2024, russians can't make it to the Moon because of their own incompetence
Everything has changed, but nothing has changed really

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:40:00 2020 No.12226904

>>12226896
>im so excited for SLS
>it took a while but the wait was worth it
>there is no other way to do it faster due to the technologies of super heavy rockets being too advanced
>that launch was so cool! cant wait to see it launch again two years from now

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:47:09 2020 No.12226915 NROL-44 getting delayed again means Starlink 13 on Sunday morning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:51:38 2020 No.12226925 >>12226904 >He's not excited for the unannounced maiden launch of Long March 9 20 years from now that will be filmed on a flip phone

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 12:59:20 2020 No.12226941 >>12226889 New Zealand, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal confirmed to support Russia

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:04:11 2020 No.12226951
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Looks like someone beat SpaceX to the punch. Will SpaceX end up trying to buy them out?
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/start-up-wants-to-do-carbon-capture-on-stale-indoor-air-turn-it-into-fuel

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:05:26 2020 No.12226952 >>12226951 They produce 1mL of liquid methane a second.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:06:06 2020 No.12226956 >>12226951 Sabatier is an exothermic reaction, it's the easy half compared to electrolysis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:09:26 2020 No.12226965 >>12226889 >UAE signs the Artemis Accords They're making alot of moves in space lately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:10:56 2020 No.12226971 >>12226742 Amen

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:14:30 2020 No.12226982 File: 60 KB, 671x421, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] They seems seriously about E2E idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:17:09 2020 No.12226991 >>12226982 >tfw musk makes orbital drop shock troopers a reality /OUR/ /FUCKING/ /GUY/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:18:22 2020 No.12226999 >>12226991 How will the NSF flower children cope? not even kidding

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:24:51 2020 No.12227020 File: 137 KB, 2132x704, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/US_TRANSCOM/status/1316060127519154177

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:28:11 2020 No.12227031 File: 61 KB, 1593x628, spaceracecoldwar2.0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12226941 Alright, let's get to drawing out sides. Any that I can fill out for certain one way or another?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:28:32 2020 No.12227033 >>12227020 I wonder how much of this was due to Elon and Shotwell reaching out to the DoD? It would be very impressive if they did nothing and the military is just watching the development of SS and getting super horny about possible new toys

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:28:42 2020 No.12227034 >>12226512 I love how the dumbfuck writer tried to jazz up a cargo delivery service by vacillating with calling it a weapons delivery system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:29:11 2020 No.12227036 >>12226999 Checked They will just have to learn to cope. Do you want to have boots on mars? Do you want asteroid mining within 30 years? Then let musk have some of that military contract dollar.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:32:45 2020 No.12227050

>>12226965
They're long on money and oil, short on land and time. Space investment is as good an option as any to carve out a niche for themselves. Also it helps they're an absolute monarchy with some of the higher ups being giant nerds - Arabsat 6a (the first commercial Falcon Heavy payload) has an amateur radio repeater because some minister wanted it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:34:27 2020 No.12227055 >>12226885 And we're back to Obama not doing anything despite all the panic. It's just scare tactic marketing that gun nuts keep falling for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:34:49 2020 No.12227056 >>12227031 Team blue: Canada, Japan, Australia, UK, Brazil, India

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:40:27 2020 No.12227078 >>12227020 >>12226982 I'll believe it when I see it tbqh

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:44:45 2020 No.12227084 File: 204 KB, 960x536, rocket map.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227031 Idk why my image compressed so much but hopefully you get the gist

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:45:46 2020 No.12227086 >>12227084 Fuck, the UAE is supposed to be orange

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:48:00 2020 No.12227095 >>12227034 J*urnalists get the rope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:48:27 2020 No.12227097 File: 62 KB, 1593x628, spaceracecoldwar2.0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227084 >>12227086 I've got it open and am just adding as needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:49:41 2020 No.12227099 >>12227084 >>12227097 Nippon truly is greatest ally

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:50:46 2020 No.12227103 >>12227099 Unironically

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:53:07 2020 No.12227109
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>>12227020
This is the coolest thing in my life. This must have been what 80s kids thought of the Harrier.

But, uh, why is the Air Force talking about operating Starships? Are they still being pissy about the Space Force? Let them have their fucking toys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:53:47 2020 No.12227113 Have you guys seen the video where Hillary coughs up green slime

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:54:27 2020 No.12227118

>>12227097
You missed the hilarious Mexico-Argentina Space Agency which I wish all godspeed to because it'll be funny if it works

>>12227113
That's so 2016, have you seen the second video of Biden forgetting where he is and saying he's running for senate? He did it again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:54:49 2020 No.12227121 >>12227109 That’s like saying the Army shouldn’t use cargo planes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:55:23 2020 No.12227123 >>12227113 Based oort cloud poster. Wait until you hear about starship

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:57:14 2020 No.12227130 >>12227118 I mean if we're gonna mention that then you should also do the african space agency centered on cairo

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:57:21 2020 No.12227131

>>12227118
Jeez, I'd hate to have a president who trips over his words and gets lost all the fucking time. Imagine a president who constantly goes off on tangents of false information and forgets what he was saying in the first place. The wourd would think that guy is an idiot!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:57:42 2020 No.12227132 >>12227118 >He did it again. I knew he did it once a few months ago. I feel kinda bad for him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:57:57 2020 No.12227133 Is there any hope for Russia and ESA? Or will they fade into irrelevance as space becomes dominated by burgers, chinks, and poos?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:58:47 2020 No.12227135

>>12227121
The Airforce DOES say that. Official American doctrine is that all fixed wing aircraft are Air Force, even if the Army want them. That's why the Army spent so much money developing helicopters as CAS and logistic platforms.

The Airforce just decided they wanted to have their cake and eat it too by keeping X-37B and now Starship from the Space Force. Doctrine SHOULD say that anything above the Karman Line belongs to the Space Force, but that hasn't been established yet and the Air Force is clearly pushing against that.

Remember, every single branch of the US military has had it's own space program at some point, including the Navy, and often competing (ie Vanguard vs Redstone)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:58:49 2020 No.12227136 >>12227131 I think it’s a broader problem with a political system and society arranged in a way that people are a million years old by the time they are president/rich.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:58:52 2020 No.12227137 >>12227132 Don't care, still voting Biden

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:00:30 2020 No.12227140 >>12227137 >still voting Harris ftfy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:00:41 2020 No.12227141 >>12227137 Have fun with higher corporate taxes hurting all private space companies and lower NASA funding

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:02:29 2020 No.12227149 >>12227141 Why the fuck are the democrats so against nasa? You'd think they'd be all for it since they're always on about being on the right side of history

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:04:38 2020 No.12227159 File: 3.15 MB, 2014x2166, political_compass_space.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227149 Progress is racist. We must all be brought down to the same level to achieve true equality.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:04:41 2020 No.12227160

>>12227149
Broadly speaking, they aren’t, and the decrease in funding is relatively minor, but would rather shift focus to earth observation missions rather than something like Artemis, Mars, asteroid redirections, etc, and only provide enough funding to progress other missions at a snail’s pace and maintain the ISS

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:05:49 2020 No.12227163 >>12227109 Starship will be commercial spacecraft, so nothing stop Space Force from use it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:07:26 2020 No.12227170
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>>12227163
The Air Force might claim that it has wings and therefore is Air Force exclusive. US procurement and doctrine is fucked. The Army couldn't buy fixed wing aircraft even if they wanted them, but the Marines can because the Navy can.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:08:00 2020 No.12227174 >>12227159 Man that photo of a fat black lady with the sign about the hungry is hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:09:47 2020 No.12227181 >>12227174 As if random bums deserve free money

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:11:10 2020 No.12227186 >>12227170 Hahahah it's like brothers arguing over presents on christmas morning or something. I think the fact that it goes to space intrinsically makes it space force material. Fuck the air force

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:11:18 2020 No.12227187

>>12227170
Yeah but couldn't the space force also claim that because it is primarily a space vehicle that it's therefore their jurisdiction?
Has this stuff even been laid out yet? I know theres drama between the space and air forces over who gets the X-37b lately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:11:24 2020 No.12227189 >>12227174 The annoying part is that gibs and tanks are already the majority of the American budget. Taking money from space exploration is ridiculous because it's one of the smallest line items in the budget.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:11:47 2020 No.12227193

>>12227149
Every time you see the American left standing in the way of something they ostensibly support, whether an armed working class, nuclear power, space programs, etc., realize that was probably implanted in the movement by Soviet or Chinese spies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:12:33 2020 No.12227194 >>12227159 The propane question in the center makes me laugh every fucking time

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:12:54 2020 No.12227198 >>12227186 but...space force is the air force

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:13:36 2020 No.12227200 >>12227187 >has this stuff been clearly laid out and defined yet No, which imho is why the Air Force is seeing exactly how much the Pentagon will let them get away with (ie keeping X-37B means future Air Force spaceplanes are still on the table)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:15:12 2020 No.12227206 >>12227193 Sounds plausible. Those memes would serve their interests if spread in the populace of a rival, like throwing corpses with the plague over a city wall.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:15:19 2020 No.12227207 >>12227198 See >>12227200 Space force want to do a lot of projects themselves but air force wants gooberment money and thus is trying to block projects from them

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:17:21 2020 No.12227213 >>12227207 please refer to them as chair force

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:21:36 2020 No.12227232
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im sorry bros, but IAC sucks monkey fuck this year. everyone is so robotic and stiff, audio quality is shit, it's framed so retarded, no giant TED stage, no booths

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:21:49 2020 No.12227233

>>12227189
NASA budget slash had in general little to do with spending concerns, and more to do with Nixon detente police and public apathy. Conversely, NASA heyday budget wise was during LBJ social programs driven Great Society, and budget concerns haven't been a serious political issue with american public or government since 1980.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:23:53 2020 No.12227239

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1316081057788198915

>In a virtual presentation today, @torybruno laid out his vision for a "Strategic Propellant Reserve," calling for storage of liquid hydrogen and oxygen at depots between the Earth and Moon. This would enable sustainable in-space transportation.

IT'S HAPPENING

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:25:25 2020 No.12227244 File: 108 KB, 640x480, orbital-propellant-depot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227239 b-bros...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:25:33 2020 No.12227246 >>12227239 Fucking BASED, someone get the suicide hotline ready for Shelby

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:26:38 2020 No.12227254 File: 34 KB, 548x566, 2yqiz6xk41k11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227239 Anything called a "strategic reserve" will get indefinite military funding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:28:28 2020 No.12227262 File: 305 KB, 1146x613, Uns9iB1Bli.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227254 looks like the strategy is to sell it as a national security issue too full video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5mPfbyzdF0

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:30:14 2020 No.12227267 >>12225234 >>12225235 retard, starship could literally launch a pressurized module with the internal pressurized space of the entire fucking ISS for under 10 million, axion have no excuse

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:31:51 2020 No.12227273
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Found out a lot more countries have space agencies than I realized.
>>12227239
>artificial gravity station 2028
>LEO settlement 2033
>crewed Mars missions 2034
>asteroid mining 2042
>Mars outpost 2044
>1100 people by 2050
NGMI
What horrendously slow ambitions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:32:14 2020 No.12227274 >>12227267 >axion have no excuse They have lots of former NASA employees. That will be their trump card.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:32:58 2020 No.12227276 >>12227273 Why are you breaking up Yurp? The YSA is a thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:34:11 2020 No.12227279 File: 39 KB, 320x240, ray_charles_laughing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227273 >poland >no space capabilities

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:34:40 2020 No.12227280 Bruno saying they want at least 2 years' worth of propellant in reserve so Mars missions could continue uninterrupted in a contingency.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:35:44 2020 No.12227282 File: 215 KB, 1210x600, F0zN4dA5oq.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227280 forgot pic

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:35:52 2020 No.12227283

>>12227274
Not him but he has a good point. They could buy a personal starship, and even if they are overcharged by a fuckton, they could just get it to LEO and suddenly you have more internal space than the ISS. I mean yeah they could launch their modules on a cargo starship and build their parasite station but it wouldn't make sense

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:36:12 2020 No.12227284 >>12227274 If you believe that axioM is anything other then another scheme to steal a shitload of taxmoney for nothing in return then your foolish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:36:54 2020 No.12227285 >>12227282 >shrek intro meme.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:39:51 2020 No.12227295 File: 3 KB, 97x116, 1375865520745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227282 >5000 tons of LH2/LOX chilling at NRHO

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:39:53 2020 No.12227296 >>12227273 isnt 2050 the spacex goal for a self sustaining martian colony 1 million strong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:40:58 2020 No.12227300 >>12227296 AFAIK 2050 is the goal for affordable tickets to Mars, which will be the start of the sustainable colony project, and that a million population won't come until much later

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:41:46 2020 No.12227304 >>12226072 they better fucking use it for rare earth metal mining

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:42:38 2020 No.12227309 >>12227300 Ok that makes more sense, I conflated the two. Still faster than whatever ULA tryna pull

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:43:27 2020 No.12227313 >>12225215 Why does it put the module on the top then immediately remove it and put it on the side? Why not just put it on the side to start with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:43:54 2020 No.12227315 >>12227262 That’s the best way to do it. Civilian government spaceflight is too corrupted by congressional interests to ever do the right thing. Meanwhile, the military has the budget and the focus to cut through bullshit if they see it as worthwhile.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:44:22 2020 No.12227316 >>12227282 Does the MT here refer to metric tons or megatons? I can never tell with you amricans

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:45:28 2020 No.12227320 Why does reddit love Tory Bruno so much? Do they like how his cock feels?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:45:43 2020 No.12227322 >>12227316 i'm assuming they aren't planning on needing 7 gigatons of hydrolox in 2050

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:47:52 2020 No.12227325

>>12226506
Starship will make access to space cheap enough that large space hotels with rotating segments for artificial gravity and even potentially lunar tourism for the upper class a thing within 30 years, ontop of Mars colonization (except Mars is less of a luxury tourist trip and more of going on the mayflower).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:49:57 2020 No.12227332 >>12227262 >colonization, settlement, manifest destiny are terms of oppression fuck this beyond earth pussy, we cant let this fuck define policy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:50:32 2020 No.12227333 >>12227325 Okay but when do I get an affordable stay at the middle class Royal Centripetal hotel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:52:48 2020 No.12227338 >>12227322 >new ULA interplanetary colony project, codenamed ACES HIGH

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:53:11 2020 No.12227339 >>12226582 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:56:15 2020 No.12227347 >>12227118 >Mexico-Argentina Space Agency that exists? oh wait MASA, yeah. Didn't know it was a collaboration

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 14:58:31 2020 No.12227353 >>12227347 https://contxto.com/en/argentina/latin-america-space-agency/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:04:56 2020 No.12227365 >>12227213 Spaz Force and Chair Force it is, then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:10:26 2020 No.12227383 File: 36 KB, 545x409, Right-Hand-Rule_starship.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Explain this, /sci/. I'm fine with Z, but I can't help but feel that the X and Y are in the wrong places!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:11:57 2020 No.12227388 File: 512 KB, 2048x1166, BA6D0588-7184-46EF-A724-331E4C2D426D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227213 So the space force wants to be rad, but the Air Force won’t let him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:13:00 2020 No.12227391 File: 124 KB, 600x626, 1594413265879.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227383 It's a convention in aerospace. It just is

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:14:23 2020 No.12227398 >>12227383 What's the problem? Roll, pitch, yaw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:14:24 2020 No.12227399 >>12226902 >Russia/EU gonna partner with China. Russia/EU thinks US is bad. Are they (the EU) fucking high? The US at its most jingoistic still looks like an angel compared to China/Russia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:15:01 2020 No.12227400 >>12227399 >Are they (the EU) fucking high? Yes. They've always hated or resented America's achievements.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:15:55 2020 No.12227406 >>12227399 The EU is pathetic, a far cry from their ancestors who built our civilization

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:16:44 2020 No.12227414 >canada has signed the Artemis accords >and will provide >drumroll >wait for it >ANOTHER >FUCKING >ARM

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:16:55 2020 No.12227415 File: 19 KB, 1056x116, fissionsrb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Would this work? Nuclear fission SRBs?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:17:32 2020 No.12227417

>>12227400
And on what kind of proof is this based?
EU is blowing up deals all over the place with china at the moment, it would be wierd that they let the CCP steal all their space tech with a partnership.
EU is already having a good laugh as it is with italy for getting assraped indirectly because of the belt&road project.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:17:40 2020 No.12227419 File: 231 KB, 1920x1080, K1kzpVYISOPK8OuvKJe9HhlTXigV7hxUnxOiHsbAngg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227414

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:17:55 2020 No.12227421 >>12227414 It’s a really good fucking arm though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:18:48 2020 No.12227423 File: 135 KB, 677x382, nuclearsrb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227415 Pic related

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:19:15 2020 No.12227427

>>12227417
>And on what kind of proof is this based?
The whole China debacle is because EU didn't want to follow the US. Now China's Uighur/Coronovirus is too big of a PR disaster that they'll finally listen to US's warning about Chinese threat to their networks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:19:40 2020 No.12227428 >>12227415 235 dust, not 238, it would work in theory and produce hilarious thrust and torch level ISP, but containing a continuous nuclear blast is handwaved away

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:20:13 2020 No.12227430 >>12227419 >canadarm 3 I don't know why I find this so funny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:20:39 2020 No.12227431 >>12226951 Do we even need electric vehicles if we can make carbon neutral or even carbon negative fuel using something like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:21:42 2020 No.12227435 >>12227415 There are a lot of improvements you can do on the SRB's. Just replacing the aluminum with beryllium should give it a quarter more punch or so at the price of slight increase in treatment complexity and launch pad operation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:22:04 2020 No.12227437 >>12227427 Pretty sure several EU nations were already suspicious about CCP involvment before corona&chink muslims death camps. Only retarded nations like italy sold their souls to the CCP and now they were punished hard for it with corona.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:22:16 2020 No.12227438 >>12227431 No, if you converted the world's fleet to Sabatier fueled LNG vehicles you wouldn't need battery electric

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:22:22 2020 No.12227439 >>12227239 >hydrogen fuel when will this meme end?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:24:03 2020 No.12227445 >>12227097 LONG LIVE THE ANGLOSPHERE

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:25:48 2020 No.12227449 >>12227123 By the time he hears about starship dear moon will have happened and SpaceX will have landed starships on mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:26:09 2020 No.12227451 Starship is a dinosaur lugging all its methane out of Earth's gravity well. ULA provides realistic hydrogen reserves beyond LEO. Good luck making LNG on the Moon, Elon (retard)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:26:20 2020 No.12227452 >>12226767 Why mess with something that works? All they need is government money and it'll work forever!

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:26:29 2020 No.12227455

>>12227428
Maybe copying the Nuclear-Salt-Water-Rocket's design would work? Because it's an SRB in a vacuum (because why would you use this at sea level) you need a propellant (like LOX). You could use water as the propellant, injecting it skillfully would "protect" the engine. In fact, why even "protect" the engine? Make it a fucking autophagic uranium-235 solid rocket torch-drive motor

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:28:39 2020 No.12227460

>>12227439
Hydrogen isn't bad in the vacuum of space- in fact it actually outperforms Methane in pretty much all aspects. It's just a meme when you use it on your first stage when you are still in the atmosphere (a la SLS and shuttle and every other rocket designed today)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:28:58 2020 No.12227462 >>12227438 I figured. Only place electrics makes sense imo is downtown driving and public transit/taxi cabs because of air quality and noise benefits.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:29:18 2020 No.12227463

>>12227451
Well I haven't visited the threads in a while so I find it quite enjoyable that now shitposters have moved the goal post to "lugging its methane out of the gravity well".
Although I thought it might not be possible, now I feel like I might just live long enough to see it moved somewhere around the Jovian system...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:29:40 2020 No.12227464 >>12227451 post hair, bezos

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:30:57 2020 No.12227467 >>12227455 You don't need a separate oxidizer for an SRB. An SRB contains both fuel and oxidizer (usually something like PTAB and ammonia perchlorate).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:31:25 2020 No.12227471 >>12227463 >10 refueling flights cope harder spacex stan

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:32:10 2020 No.12227473 >>12227451 You can easily make methane on just about every major body in the solar system except Luna so who cares? Titan has fucking oceans of methane.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:32:55 2020 No.12227474

>>12227283
>Not him but he has a good point. They could buy a personal starship
Poster here, they couldn't buy a personal starship because I doubt SpaceX would want to give up a starship that they could use to make more money or send cargo to mars, however Axiom COULD send literally tens of ISS sized (in terms of internal pressurized volume) modules for less then the cost of the Axiom station they're currently going to build.
>>12227300
>>12227309
Wrong, 2050 is the 1 million goal.
>>12227333
2035, 50000 dollars for a 3 day stay?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:33:23 2020 No.12227476 >>12227471 how do you think ULA will get 5000 tons of hydrolox to NRHO? how do you think the depot levels will be maintained? regular refueling flights on the cheapest available bulk launch vehicle, which ironically is Starship

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:33:28 2020 No.12227480 >>12227473 Ok go refuel on Titan bro, see you in 7 years

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:33:37 2020 No.12227481 >>12227467 So just make it autophagic then? Realistically containing a nuclear explosion is a stupid idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:33:53 2020 No.12227482 File: 187 KB, 1033x805, AngloStronk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227445 Anglo union when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:34:47 2020 No.12227487 >>12227476 Yeah with hydrogen, which actually exists on the moon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:35:16 2020 No.12227488 >>12227482 Why is Northern Ireland not Anglo?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:35:55 2020 No.12227492

>>12227473
>>12227480
There are probably large carbon reserves at least somewhere on the moon, especially considering its been continuously impacted by asteroids for billions of years with no weathering other then new asteroid impacts. I'm sure there are a few major carbonaceous deposits.
>>12227482
SOON

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:37:25 2020 No.12227498 File: 28 KB, 694x1034, estronaut pepe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The entirety of Canada's aerospace industry could be blown the fuck out by a boston dynamics arm with a nerualink interface lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:38:02 2020 No.12227503 >>12227473 you can easily make hydrolox on most moons, including phobos and deimos. that makes 3 bodies easier to reach than the closest hydrocarbon candidate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:40:27 2020 No.12227515 >>12227463 at least the dumb shit shitposters post creates discussion. better than derails, popsci, and musk sycophants

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:41:38 2020 No.12227520

>>12227482
When will Confederations stop being a meme to the world and be recognized for their true potential?
Also why didn't Teddy big stick his way through all of North America and turn the USA into a true island nation touching every inch of coastline in NA with the Panama Canal being fully under US control?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:42:06 2020 No.12227523 File: 178 KB, 750x469, 1475445513285.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227488 because northern ireland is IRISH

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:42:32 2020 No.12227526 File: 80 KB, 522x768, bezospikachu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227464

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:43:14 2020 No.12227531 >>12227520 teddy was no james k. polk

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:43:41 2020 No.12227532 >>12227523 Ireland is the africa of the anglosphere, and that's fucking counting south africa >>12227520 TR was an idiot lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:45:12 2020 No.12227537 File: 1.83 MB, 1920x1080, 1597956166718.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] that's a big fucking crane

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:45:59 2020 No.12227544 >>12227520 Didn’t wanna deal with integrating all the locals, probably. Same reason we let Mexico have the populated part of their country back after we conquered them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:46:37 2020 No.12227547 >>12227537 Come to think of it... How in the FUCK do they plan on liftin superheavy with some 20-30 engines? How will they transport it down the road? Tow it with a cybertruck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:47:16 2020 No.12227548 So how do you mine water on the moon? I know there’s ice but what about the dirt mixed in it or other volatiles

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:48:31 2020 No.12227555 >>12227548 same as saturn v

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:48:54 2020 No.12227557 >>12225525 http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/index.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:49:15 2020 No.12227560 File: 189 KB, 1024x669, 4668636140_be4ee78d4d_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227547 Ship this bad boy from Khazahstan as promotion to Borat 2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:49:22 2020 No.12227561 >>12227548 boil it

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:51:16 2020 No.12227568 >>12227560 Solid rockets of superior potassium fuel when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:51:18 2020 No.12227569 >>12227523 >Things people didn't say

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:52:26 2020 No.12227575 >>12227560 The blyatback mountain

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:53:15 2020 No.12227578 >>12227569 Nothing gets past you huh

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:53:49 2020 No.12227585 >>12227560 based based based based based

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:55:15 2020 No.12227593 File: 144 KB, 1024x848, 48e286842150aab881b28c621fc8250a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:56:52 2020 No.12227596 >>12227593 Too bad Russia was broke as fuck and didn’t quality control for shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:58:16 2020 No.12227606 File: 785 KB, 3264x2448, 50hc3tgvwxy31.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Decaying derelict space aesthetic is cool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 15:58:52 2020 No.12227609 >>12227437 Germany/France/Netherlands didnt like the US warning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:01:21 2020 No.12227615 >>12227609 If your talking about the 5G deal, they are all refusing huawei. And that was probably going to happen all along, even without the US telling the EU that it was a bad idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:04:26 2020 No.12227624 File: 2.61 MB, 3872x2592, 4713744092_6002f7b62f_4k.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:05:47 2020 No.12227631
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>>12227615
>they are all refusing huawei
AFTER Coronavirus/Uighur concentration camp got mainstream attention. That's what I said about them not wanting to listen to US's warning and instead trying to kowtow because "it triggers the US" raisons.

The same thing is happening with the Germany and Russian gas pipeline. Now there's lot of poisoning by Russian agents that gets lot of mainstream attention. German still wants to go the Russian route.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:05:52 2020 No.12227633 >>12227560 >>12227593 Those are the same?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:06:58 2020 No.12227638 >>12227631 pics related, satellite images caught the recent infrastruture built for military prison camps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:11:38 2020 No.12227661 >>12227537 600 ton looks like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:13:15 2020 No.12227666 File: 3.16 MB, 3872x2592, 4681494770_e338ff5529_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227633 Yes.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:14:01 2020 No.12227668

>>12227631
>AFTER Coronavirus/Uighur concentration camp got mainstream attention. That's what I said about them not wanting to listen to US's warning and instead trying to kowtow because "it triggers the US" raisons.
Looking in to the huawei option wasnt the same as actually picking them, and every EU nations secret service gave the same warnings, it's just that they could not brush it aside so easily because it was the cheapest option.
>The same thing is happening with the Germany and Russian gas pipeline. Now there's lot of poisoning by Russian agents that gets lot of mainstream attention. German still wants to go the Russian route.
Thats more of a problem of the greenfags in the EU wanting to close down all nuclear plants and the only other real option being gasplants, in that scenario only the russians have the capacity to supply the EU with enough gas.
You could argue that the greenfag movements in the EU are subsidized by lobby's who dont have the EU interests at heart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:15:37 2020 No.12227673 >>12227668 >Looking in to the huawei option wasnt the same as actually picking them They already had various levels of huawei tech embedded in their network infrastructure and continued to invest more over the years as US sounded the alarm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:19:04 2020 No.12227680 >>12227133 > by burgers, chinks, and poos? holy shit the future will be uniroically the Expanse

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:24:01 2020 No.12227695 >>12226708 holy shit the numbers just keep going up

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:26:30 2020 No.12227706 >>12227673 Yeah, not going to deny that there are several CCP spysystems in place in the EU, but it looks like they will replace those in the near future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:41:33 2020 No.12227738 >>12227631 holy crap why is china so based

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:46:39 2020 No.12227747

>>12227304
actually a good idea
there's no environment to poison on the moon lol
>>12227313
it might be a couple years in between those two actions
>>12227460
hydrogen only outperforms methane when you're involving staging
if you're doing single stage then methane is superior, always
propane is even better but whatever

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:51:18 2020 No.12227756 File: 260 KB, 1036x640, ss+(2020-10-13+at+03.26.19).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BOYS

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:55:29 2020 No.12227766 >>12227756 Shitty Boing logo, they got the arrow pointing the wrong way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:56:20 2020 No.12227769 File: 31 KB, 427x988, russian TSTO.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12227560 >>12227575 To, they need that for the Blyatback Booster

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:56:40 2020 No.12227773 T-9 hours, launch preparations require a new thread: >>12227767 >>12227767 >>12227767 >>12227767

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 16:58:27 2020 No.12227780 >>12227638 Based China. Wish more countries disposed of troublesome minorities

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 17:08:35 2020 No.12227819

>>12227668
>You could argue that the greenfag movements in the EU are subsidized by lobby's who dont have the EU interests at heart.
So your theory is Russia outpayed all the other fossil fuel lobbies, the car lobby and the nuclear lobby just to sell slightly more gas 60 years after they started their disinformation campaign?
Anyway, German anti nuclear campaigns were already a thing way before climate change was well understood and then they just never lost momentum. It probably helped that a lot of German nuclear projects were pretty ill-conceived and very poorly sold to the public.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 17:15:20 2020 No.12227849

>>12227819
Never underestimate how easy it is to make a radical do shit for you.
The green movements&anti nuclear agenda frontline is filled with retards who dont realize they are being used.
Just look at the whole Greta bullshit from last year, people ate that shit up, and that was just one girl with fetal alcohol syndrom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 17:56:32 2020 No.12228031 >>12227415 Just put them into orbit and use them as kick stages to send massive payloads to Mars. I don't know if you can make the experience survivable for people though.

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