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/sfg/ - Space flight general
My eternal hate for Boeing awakens an anger I did not know I possess
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>> No.12169820

CARBON FIBER
SOLID BOOSTED
HYDROLOX
STARSHIP

>> No.12169828
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Why is it so aesthetically pleasing?

>> No.12169829

>>12169828
>>12169344
Ten kilowatts of power for two days is 480 kilowatt-hours. If you're using batteries as energy dense as whatever Tesla uses for their power wall things, you're gonna need a ~4000 kilogram battery.
Just use the 200 kg solar array, retard. This isn't Ksp with its batteries full of helium and pixie dust.

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hahaha rocket factory go brrrrr

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uuuuh...guys?

>> No.12169837

>>12169820
Carbon fiber wrapped center core 540 inch solid motor, two hydrolox boosters, hypergolic upper stage, nuclear thermal third stage that uses pressurized helium gas propellant

>> No.12169838
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For the sake of not dying from boredom here the continuation:
it's 2025 and for some reason
>Zimbabwe
and
>Venezuela
have a spacerace. Both countries have no significant change of course in economy or wealth to this point,
but there is an unshakable desire in beating the respective other nation both politically and socially through all social groups. which is just one by then.
There is no outside help for the sake of the world being inclined to watch the firework.

What happens?

>> No.12169841

>>12169834
>steel just isn't viable as a rocket construction material guys

>> No.12169842

>>12169828
Idk but I've always found the Cygnus to be beautiful. I think if it were a smooth capsule it would look worse. The characteristic rectangles mixed with the kapton foil and solar arrays make it look iconic in a way

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>>12169834
>My ancestors :)

>> No.12169851

>>12169835
Read: he wants everyone to hivemind with neuralink so that everyone with a sub-135 IQ becomes a pacified, brainless drone while everyone else mentally orders the lower caste aroudn and lives like demigod trillionaires.

>> No.12169852

>>12169842
BRUH

>> No.12169853
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K I N O
I
N
O

>> No.12169854

>>12169835
Yeah this is old. I have two theories, but it might just be me trying to cope. a) he's just saying this to get people to like him, or b) he's an egalitarian star trek socialist, wherein he really just wants everyone to be treated equal and to have basic human needs if the government can supply it. But he knows it's unrealistic. You can bet your ass he isn't a bernie socialist who wants to drain money from people. I think he's trying to say "I am a socialist in a perfect world"

>> No.12169858

>>12169820
Hey uh, has anyone tried hydrogen fuel and dinitrogen tetroxide oxidizer yet?

>> No.12169860
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>>12169835
NATIONAL SOCIALISTIC ROCKET FACTORIES EMPLOYING THOUSANDS

>> No.12169866

LIQUID
OZONE
OXIDIZER

>> No.12169877

>>12169866
It's not funny anymore, barely has ever been and just lowers the threads quality. please stop.

>> No.12169878

>>12169866
When are we finally gonna get hydrazone (N2H4 + O3) bipropellant engines? Not to be confused with hydrozone

>> No.12169880
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>>12169853
P O W E R S L I D E
O
W
E
R
S
L
I
D
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>> No.12169883
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>>12169866
>tfw no tape-drive or layered-ablative-ducttape-shielding
You go to hell

>> No.12169885

>>12169877
It isn't funny anymore, but you're acting like some self moderating reddit nigger lmao

>> No.12169887

>>12169829
the shuttle orbiter didn't even need 10 kilowatts. all i can find on cygnus is that it draws less than 850W which would give you a 157kg battery. if you'd played more ksp then maybe you'd have enough of a grasp to stay on the right order of magnitude.

>> No.12169892

TIL "red oxygen" was a thing, ROX/FOOF/Li rockets when

>> No.12169894
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>>12169885
Nobody replied to your garbage over the last 3 or so threads. At some point you must notice that nobody wants you doing this and it's not somehow becoming really original if you spam it enough. And don't tell me you're not doing it for the attention. Great muhreddit counter btw. That rlly showed me and shit.

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>>12169892
I unironically feel like Methane is the future and we don't really need to research into anything else in the future, except maybe ion drives and fringe EM Drive research.

>> No.12169899

>>12169854
c) he's been so busy his entire adult life that he's just now getting into a political compass meme phase that most NEETs complete by their mid-20s

>> No.12169900

when is someone going to say "fuck it" and use the really spicy fluorine fuels with the crazy good isps?

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>>12169894
>GOD FORBID 2-4 OF THE 600-800 POSTS IN MY PRECIOUS THREAD BE ABOUT SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.12169915

>>12169838
doubt that Vuvuzela still exists in the 2025's

>> No.12169931
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First for Saturn Multibody

>> No.12169934

>>12169931
saturn v with an electron upper stage when?

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>>12169903
Jesus Christ what's wrong with you?

>> No.12169940

what ethnicity is Zubrin? He's got to be Italina, he's named Robert and he's going bald and he's got about two inch thick of chest hair jungle

>> No.12169941

>>12169854
>You can bet your ass he isn't a bernie socialist who wants to drain money from people
He's gotten pretty savage once or twice while mocking Bernie this year, it was great

>> No.12169942

>>12169900
Expensive and more problems

>> No.12169946

>>12169835
He has proclaimed himself a nationalist several times, and supports certain aspects of socialism.
So it seems like he's some kind of national... socialist?

>> No.12169948

>>12169941
Well cause bernie is a fucking retard who appeals to the lowest common de(commie)nator so he shamelessly attacks Elon for being rich for absolutely no reason. Musk is probably one of the few billionaires who puts his money to good use, wants the planet to be clean, etc. but breadline bernie singles him out so musk basically calls him a retard lol

>> No.12169950
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>>12169915
It just slips beneath the waves. Or the In"Cuba"tor gets it.

>> No.12169962

I for one like the all caps posts

>> No.12169970

>>12169962
okay samefag.

>> No.12169971

>>12169896
chemical rockets will be fine for the next 40-50 years for deep space travel and fine for the next 200+ years (at the very minimum) for escaping gravity wells

>> No.12169972

>>12169828
It's the closest thing we have to an orbital shipping container. The aesthetic is something like "space industrial" rather than gorillion dollar special programs. If SpaceX didn't exist, Antares/Cygnus would be the template for space trucking.

>>12169829
A 10kw@1AU solar array is enough for the 10cm plasma magnet sail.

>> No.12169973
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>>12169900
methane/flox is absolutely the forbidden fruit for interplanetary probes. 400+ ISPs with minimal boiloff worries. nasa contracted a bunch of studies on it up through the mid-70s but they could never bring themselves to pull the trigger.

>> No.12169975

>>12169962
your opinion is bad and wrong

>> No.12169977

shipping containers in SPACE when
launching one of these bad boys on superduperheavy when

>> No.12169979

>>12169851
Doesn't sound to bad desu. I also don't think brave new world is a dystopia judging by its ending.

>> No.12169981

>>12169948
>lowest commie denominator

>> No.12169984

>>12169973
>methaflox
I wonder how the accessible the fluorine resources are on Mars

>> No.12169985
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>>12169977
shit

>> No.12169988

>>12169977
You could only get like two ISO containers inside a Starship.

>> No.12169990
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>>12169985
Dear ships have become ugly...

>> No.12169991

>>12169973
>that massive increase in payload with a high Isp kickstage

>>12169984
With all the perchlorates in regolith I'd assume Mars has SOME fluorine near the surface.

>> No.12170001

>>12169991
the increase is not from a high-isp kickstage, the increase is from Centaur, one of the best upper stages of all time

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>>12169977
/diy/ in here !

>> No.12170022

Rate my dipole drive spacetug. The tug body is based on Cygnus but I can't draw for shit.

>> No.12170024
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>>12170022
dammit forgot image

>> No.12170025

>>12170022

Nice job not actualy uploading your image you idiot. Double so for speed posting on one of the slower boards you fucking faggot.

>> No.12170026

>>12169990
kino*
container ship aesthetics are BASED

>> No.12170039

No more ballistic village tests
https://spacenews.com/chinese-long-march-launch-tests-grid-fins-for-safely-future-reusability/

>> No.12170042

What exactly is the contradiction in physics that prevents us from going directly from energy -> force? Like I feel like there HAS to be some way to directly convert energy into some sort of thrust. You're telling me that even if I had a magical cold fusion reactor that pumped my spaceship full of enough energy for a city, I can't get thrust unless I burn propellant and throw it out the back? And there is nothing we can do about it?

>> No.12170047

>>12170039
anon this article is from July of last year

>> No.12170050

>>12170042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPgS8eDO8v0

>> No.12170051

>>12170042
yeah you need something to push off of
certain wacky concepts push off of things like the Earth's magnetic field or the solar wind or the sun's light or use a flashlight

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SNC had another part of their reusable spaceplane come in

>> No.12170065

>>12170042
If you can accelerate without pushing off other matter you can use a pair of thrusters pushing a rotor to get infinite energy. Pretty much all of physics is predicated on the assumption you can't pull energy out of your ass like that.

>> No.12170070

>>12169973
>Saturn V Centaur for astronomical speed yeeting
I didn't know my dick needed this, but it does

>> No.12170071

>>12170042
You could use your magical ultra energy source of power a photon rocket

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>>12170042
a fission fragment drive would directly use the nuclei from a reactor for thrust instead of transferring the energy to a different propellant, but your thrust would be microscopic

>> No.12170076

>>12170071
*to

or i guess maybe to power a space warping technology that uses the fabric of reality as reaction mass.

>> No.12170078

>>12169815
Why? Boeing is pretty based

>> No.12170083

>>12170042
just use a flashlight for thrust
imagine the isp

>> No.12170084

>>12170076
How hard is it to stretch spacetime. Can it only be done with matter? Only matter?

>> No.12170085
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https://spacenews.com/op-ed-celestial-property-rights-how-we-can-achieve-a-new-commerce-fueled-space-age/

>Modern international trade is largely privately governed. There is no international super-sovereign, after all: if traders have a dispute, their only recourse is arbitration. Yet international commerce works quite well, and the majority of it is based on a self-enforcing body of private law dating back to the High Middle Ages. Celestial capitalists have the same option.

>Celestial capitalists

i like this concept a LOT

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>>12169853
>Ares fags

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>>12170089
>not appreciating the Ares I so much that you tack on some GEMs for good measure

>> No.12170122

>>12170085
>Tense negotiations between nuclear-armed merchants

>> No.12170130
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>>12170122
>tfw you bring a shipment of ultrapurified deuterium to the Titanites to fuel their fusion reactors and get to spend a few days flying around like a bird in that dummy thicc atmosphere, before boarding your SSTO fusion rocket for a leisurely journey back to your home in a martian space station

>> No.12170141

>>12170130
Titan colonies will be intrinsically cozy as fuck. Everything will be warm for survival, the food will be good to keep morale up, the view will be unmistakably incomparable to anywhere else. I want to go bros

>> No.12170142

>>12170085
God, I can't wait to move to the Moon, relinquish my national citizenship, and operate my mining and trade corporation as a truly free human being.

>> No.12170151

>>12170141
think of how much energy you could save if you lowered the temperature by five degrees repeat times 4

>> No.12170164

>>12170141
SSTO on titan is soooooo easy as well, and the atmosphere is literally 3% rocket fuel. It's a stupidly awesome place to live.

>> No.12170179

>>12170141
>all energy sources intrinsically more efficient because you can liquid methane cool EVERYTHING
>superconductors everywhere

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>>12170179
>>12170141
>>12170130
>Several hundred lakes and seas have been observed, with several dozen estimated to contain more hydrocarbon liquid than Earth's oil and gas reserves. The dark dunes that run along the equator contain a volume of organics several hundred times larger than Earth's coal reserves.

aw yiss

>> No.12170214

>>12170204
imagine the smell

>> No.12170222
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>>12170204
Y'all saying there's oil in them hills?

>> No.12170238

bros
why dont we just burn air for fuel?

>> No.12170251

https://www.quora.com/Can-we-create-structures-for-providing-artificial-gravity-on-Mars?share=1
I love the contrast between the number one answer, which is direct,intuitive,and dives into the practicalities of making a system for getting into the rotating structure, and the number two,which is dripping with condescension despite being fucking wrong.

>> No.12170346

>>12170051
>you need something to push off of
Wich is why rockets don't work in space, there is nothing to push against.

>> No.12170353

How I am supposed to pray on Mars? Do I just look in the direction of Earth since that’s where Mecca is?

>> No.12170366

>>12170353
just do the math

>> No.12170367

>>12170366
Is Earth visible in the Martian sky like Mars and Venus are visible here?

>> No.12170388
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>>12170353
your god can't help you now.

>> No.12170390

praise the sun like the rest of us

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>>12170353
>praying to earthnoids
oh no no no

>> No.12170405

>>12170353
>>12170390
Earth will never be further than 36 degrees from the Sun in the sky, so if you just face sunwards then that'll do; it's a pretty good precision all things considered.

>> No.12170468

>>12169887
850W over how much time?

>> No.12170526
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>>12169940
russian jew

>> No.12170531

>>12170526
>Zubrin demonstrates his dreams of Shelby, colorized

>> No.12170555
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>>12169835

>> No.12170637

So basically starship wants to be what the space shuttle intended to be, a cheap space truck, with the added bonus of being able to go to mars.

but, correct me if im wrong, isnt the main reason its being done this way is to bypass the political problems of dealing with a larger project?

so wouldnt mars and moon missions eventually be made of LEO assemblied crafts with the cheap starship spacetruck?

also, how/when would the first europa/outer planets manned mission look?

>> No.12170646

>>12169835
He's got some pretty bizarre economic opinions that frankly don't square with what seem to be his practical real world philosophies. He's a businessman, but historically socialism squares very badly with economic productivity in the long run, sure resource redistribution can produce temporary productivity booms (Early Commie and NatSoc countries) but in the end it becomes increasingly burdensome to the nation and strangulates it's economic productivity (USA after 70+ years of socialism). He's got strong ambitions and figured out ways to make the money to fuel them, but he also supports UBI, the kind of economic project which does nothing but make people comfortable subsisting off of government checks, basically an even more encompassing version of the horrible welfare and social security systems already existing in the US.

>> No.12170652

>>12169835
he just does whatever pr consultant tells him. You have to be a special kind of idiot to believe that anything any corporation owner does is done for any other reason that isnt to earn money.

>> No.12170657

>>12170637
>reddit spacing

>> No.12170661

lunch thread
>>12170660

>> No.12170664

>>12169851
>implying everyone under 135 IQ isn't a brainless drone already

>> No.12170702

>>12170085
This seems self evident. States are founded on violence, mercantile organisations are founded on voluntary interaction. Obviously conflict between them would be non-violent, as opposed to states which frequently start wars to prop up the popularity of their current leader.

>> No.12170717

>>12170652
ok pedo guy

>> No.12170724

>>12169896
Antimatter-catalyzed fusion is the way
Better yet, beam-powered ram-augmented antimatter catalyzed fusion for interstellar missions.

>> No.12170743

>>12170702
Violence is manly and good.

>> No.12170750

>>12169835
Sounds like fascism to me.
Nationalize.

>> No.12170760

>>12169838
Closest they get to space is climbing a mountain without being mugged to death.

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>>12170750
yes, any talk socialism is very UNAMERICAN. Elon is clearly UNPATRIOTIC and must be removed to save more jobs

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Benus sample redurn wenn :DD

>> No.12170841

>>12170222
Da

>> No.12170846
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Soyuz carrying a bunch of sats went into orbit earlier

>> No.12170848

>>12170346
lol weak bait

>> No.12170850
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Starlink launch is in an hour livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8Z2yPyTnc

>>12170846

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The US Army thinks it can use Starlink's signals as a navigation system to complement GPS, but unjammable and with 10 times the accuracy of GPS
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/28/1008972/us-army-spacex-musk-starlink-satellites-gps-unjammable-navigation/
https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.12334

>>12170850

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>>12170858
>Musk face when

>> No.12170860

>>12170850
Starlink launch thread >>12170660
NSF stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9CtVlAvGYk

>> No.12170862

>>12170859
This is what investing feels like

>> No.12170867

>>12170042
>>12170084
>Anon tries to reject the ultimate redpill of spaceflight: there is no free lunch.

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>>12170042
What if instead pushing rocket you push space?

>> No.12170876
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>>12170874
Technically possible, but very hard. There are a few groups working on this right now. Pic related.

>> No.12170881

>>12170874
Alcubierre drive

>> No.12170906

>>12170858
The way things are going SpaceX is going to be a major cornerstone of the military. Makes me pretty optimistic about the regulatory atmosphere going forward.

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Have a bad feeling bout this one
I am usually not wrong
its gonna crash i know it

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>>12170913
Anon...

>> No.12170930

>>12170913
youre wrong and this will serve as a proof that not even at this youre good in life

>> No.12170939

>>12170913
It's probably going to be scrubbed due to weather

>> No.12170946

>launch is currently a no go
>waiting until the last minute just in case
SCRUB X

>> No.12170949

>>12170012
LEO balloon hooks when

>> No.12170957

So if weather was such a problem why didn't they make the rocket not a fucking twig

>> No.12170968

S C R U B B E D

>> No.12170970

>>12170957
Look up the "Rocket equation"

>> No.12170975

>>12170970
Look up my dick equation

>> No.12170981

>>12170970
how is that supposed to help me? dumbass

>> No.12170985

>>12170981
You are beyond help you stupid bastard.

>> No.12170994

>>12170985
um lol nope, retard

>> No.12170996

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/28/1008972/us-army-spacex-musk-starlink-satellites-gps-unjammable-navigation/

Starlink may serve as a alternative to GPS via software patch that's more accurate than current consumer GPS by wide margins. Current GPS gives users ~few meters of accuracy. Starlink is expected to give users ~few centimeters of accuracy. On top of this, its more resistant to signal jammers due to higher arc range

>> No.12171014

>>12170970
Rocket equation has nothing to do with weather, are you slow?

>> No.12171021

>>12171014
Dumb. He's saying SpaceX made a trade between all round robustness v mass efficiency/timeline/cost/etc

>> No.12171034

>>12170996
>more resistant to signal jammers due to higher arc range
What is that supposed to mean? Starlink signal is harder to jam because it's orders of magnitude stronger than GPS and more directional.

>> No.12171045

>>12171014
If they add more mass to withstand stronger weather conditions, it reduces mass of payload, and increase fuel requirements.

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>>12170957
The diameter of the Falcon 9 was determined by the method of transporting the stages. To put more propellant into those stages, SpaceX had to make them longer and longer. To make the stages wider, then the company would have to invest in a more expensive way of moving stages which would drive up costs.

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>>12169828
Can't really point my finger but there is something attractive about the shape.

>> No.12171078

>>12171075
You must be at least 18 yo to post on this website.

>> No.12171087

>>12170367
Yeah, of course. From Mars, Earth will appear brighter than Venus. Also you'd be able to see Earth's Moon as well, as a much dimmer point of light nearby.

>> No.12171088

>>12169835
That's an example of absolutne shit opinions on politics and society. But Musk is Musk. A lucky retard.

>> No.12171095

>>12170637
>but, correct me if im wrong, isnt the main reason its being done this way is to bypass the political problems of dealing with a larger project?
No, it's because just using Starships and propellant transfer gets the job done, and you can do it for far less cost, faster.
>so wouldnt mars and moon missions eventually be made of LEO assemblied crafts with the cheap starship spacetruck?
Why would we use the cheap space truck to assemble a gigantic and expensive orbit-only vehicle to go to Mars when the cheap space truck can go to Mars on its own?

>> No.12171099

>>12170957
To make a tank longer, you just make more tank.
To make a tank wider, you completely rework your whole manufacturing process and redesign every part.

>> No.12171102

>>12170664
Yes, but they hurt themselves in their confusion without exterior control placed upon them.

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>>12171087
>Also you'd be able to see Earth's Moon as well
I didn't know that part, any pics that show it?

>> No.12171109

>>12171095
Its almost like, you know. Its not KSP, you don't just put humans inside a rocket and fly it to other planet after refueling in LEO.

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>>12171109
>you don't just put humans inside a rocket and fly it to other planet after refueling in LEO.

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>>12171120

>> No.12171132

>>12171109
We’ve had in orbit refueling since the 90s. The Russian segment does it a lot with hypergolics.

>> No.12171134

>>12171109
That's not an argument, though. I could just as easily say "This isn't Ksp, you can't just assemble giant rockets out of lego in orbit".
WHY would a large in-orbit-assembled spacecraft be either cheaper or more capable in terms of going to the Moon or Mars?

>> No.12171141

>>12171109
>you don't just put humans inside a rocket and fly it to other planet after refueling in LEO.
But you can just put humans inside a giant orbit-to-orbit rocket that was built in space and then fly it to another planet after refueling in LEO?
Clearly that's your argument, because how the hell else is the LEO-constructed vehicle gonna get its propellants?

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>>12171132
Don't tell Shelby about this.

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ZUBRIN
LIVES!

>> No.12171158

>>12169815
Looks like toilet roll

>> No.12171163

https://youtu.be/DhnBn_c9f8Q

>> No.12171188

>>12171163
Literally extreme levels of cope. The future is Starship putting thousands of cubesats into orbit at once at a cost of like $10,000 a cubesat

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Today in history:
>1889 – The General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) defines the length of a meter.
>1924 – The first aerial circumnavigation is completed by a team from the US Army.
>2008 – Falcon 1 becomes the first privately developed liquid-fuel ground-launched vehicle to put a payload into orbit.

>> No.12171236

>>12171151
why do u keep posting this

>> No.12171258

>>12171108
video cameras and microphones on mars rovers when

>> No.12171261

>>12171188
>$10,000 a cubesat
More like $50, at least in terms of launch costs.

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>>12171258
Perseverance has an on-board mic this time, doesn't it? Or is that just on the backshell/skycrane part? I know there's like 30 fuckin' cameras on the damn thing.

>> No.12171275

imagine being on mars with a pickaxe and a microscope

where would you go first? I'd try to find an area with layered sediment and start fossil hunting.

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>>12170874
I wish more people replied to me here >>12170084 because that's where I was going with this. I know black holes obviously have a shit load of mass and can send ripples in spacetime (I'm lucky enough to be 15 minutes away from one of the LIGO detectors so I hear a lot of talk about it)... but I have also considered the idea of a Kugelblitz- a black hole made of not mass but radiation, heat, etc. that acts the same as a black hole. Theoretically it creates an event horizon and warps spacetime as well. I just think this could offer some sort of way (even if it is just hypothetical) to utilize energy to warp spacetime without mass. And then of course you can try and think about unruh radiation and Rindler event horizons- but that's approaching quantum inertia which a lot of people look down on and laugh at. Either way I think the possibility of some sort of reactionless drive is within the realm of reality, we just haven't figured it out yet.

>> No.12171290

>>12171275
The bottom of the big ass trench. If there's fuzzy things it'll be there where the atmospheric pressure is the highest and temperature swings/uv the lowest.

>> No.12171300

>>12171275
Any complex life with hard tests that left behind fossils (assuming they existed) will be difficult to find. Your best bet would be to go near known water sources. Keep in mind though that if life was/is on Mars, it is going to be discovered by geologists. And they will destroy the sample and pretend they never saw it to keep planetary protection fags off their ass. Yes, the first instance of alien life will be nothing but a legend discussed over beer talk by geofags lmao

>> No.12171308

>>12171300
Fucking based. Remember the mission

>> No.12171309

>>12171163
>"launch frequency is the most important thing"
>builds non reusable rockets
Bro . . .

>> No.12171319

>>12171300
>you have to leave the area now that you've found life!
>nope

now what? are they going to send the space police after me on the next synod? idgaf,I'll have figured out if the native life can make beer by then.

>> No.12171329

>>12171285
>a Kugelblitz- a black hole made of not mass but radiation, heat, etc. that acts the same as a black hole.
A kugelblitz is still made of mass. Energy has mass. You're confusing the term mass with matter. A kugelblitz is what happens when you take a huge number of high energy photons and focus them down into a volume smaller than the schwarzchild radius of a piece of matter with the same mass-energy equivalent of your entire photon inventory.
That is to say, if you annihilated a mass of matter and antimatter as large as the Earth, and then got all those photons to fit into a volume the size of a small marble, it would locally curve spacetime so much that it would form a black hole. Note, a black hole made of matter and a black hole made of photons or otherwise just pure energy both behave exactly the same; they have a lot of mass and momentum and are difficult to confine and move around.

>> No.12171330
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starship welding

>> No.12171335

>>12171188
Cubesats are a dead meme. Try 1000 or so 100kg satellites at a time plus a 50 ton orbital delivery bus.

>> No.12171348

>>12171335
it's kinda mean of elon pulling the rug out from everyone after all the investments have been made. there's over a hundread smallsat launchers and all elon has to do is undercut them on cost, because he can. spacex will fuck them all

>> No.12171351

>>12171348
Normally I’d feel bad for them but honestly SpaceX needs all the help and funding they can get. Also if I was one of those companies I’d at least take pride in knowing that we got close and tried.

>> No.12171360

>>12171335
Yeah, I think the economics are going to hammer out such that unless you are trying to build a massive constellation, it will make a lot of sense to try to optimize the cost of your satellite such that its price is ~200% to ~300% of your cheapest launch option, at most. For Starship that equates to a $5-ish million payload. A five million dollar payload can't be made like a traditional satellite where everything is hyper optimized etc. Of course, at that point you don't NEED to hyper optimize, because you have a 100 ton to 150 ton mass ceiling to work under, so it's easy to do shit like make the satellite bus out of steel girders welded together in a regular mech shop. You're not trying to fit a super-capable machine into a 5 ton box anymore.

>> No.12171369

>>12171329
>You're confusing the term mass with matter
Fuck. Sorry I just crawled out of bed. Kugelblitzes are cool either way though. Thanks for the correction

>> No.12171370

>>12171351
yes, this is probably going through elon's mind. he knows he's the only one who can affect drastic change. same thing with tesla, and why despite everything, so much of their tech remains proprietary.

>> No.12171373

>>12171360
Honestly I’m looking forward to the day that people just make satellites with off the shelf components like iPhone CPUs, batteries, etc. I mean the day someone can build a satellite for under $1000.

>> No.12171374

>>12171348
>>12171351
Anyone know why Peter Beck is still so commited to smallsat launchers? Time and time again he has stated his defense for his small rockets- even mentioning starship by name. Are we missing something or is he just trying to convince everyone that his service is still needed? I hope rocketlab find a niche in the future because they are a cool little company

>> No.12171388

>>12171374
If you pay attention to what he's been saying over the last year, it's clear he is absolutely not committed. In some ways he is regretful, going as far as to say he wished he didn't call the company Rocket Lab. He doesn't see smallsat launches as their future, instead they'll probably try to be the SpaceX of satellite manufacturing.

>> No.12171403

more like science-fiction general

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>>12170859
Like this?

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>> No.12171415

>>12171374
>>12171388
Yeah, Rocketlab's been giving way more attention to photon than they have to electron lately.

>> No.12171419

>>12171413
Lmao never stop dreaming Ivan, you make some crazy shit

>> No.12171421

>12171403
Go back to /x/ flat earther

>> No.12171425

>>12171411
lmfao

>> No.12171429

>>12171109
>you don't just put humans inside a rocket and fly it to other planet after refueling in LEO
you do anon, that's exactly what you do

>> No.12171434

>>12171109
Why not?

>> No.12171438

>>12171411
kek

>> No.12171444

>>12171109
retard

>> No.12171457

If starships works as intended it would provide what the shuttle promised originally right? a cheap space track to elo, right?

The point of going straight to mars with the starship is like, just to make everything as simple as possible,. right?

but suppose the starship actualyl works as intended and cost go really down, wouldnt it be trivial to build a mars or moon ship in modules if you are 100% certain that you absolutely have a craft that cuts down the cost?

>> No.12171462 [DELETED] 

>>12171411
i love how people act as if being antisemitic is american.

im sorry being jew is american
THE SOVIETS WERE ANTISEMITES

>> No.12171464

youtube now thinks i'm interested in silos because i watched too many NSF boca chica videos

>> No.12171465

>>12171457
if someone creates a viable exotic propulsion system that can be built in 5-6 launches then it could be competitive with Starship, esp if it's way faster.

>> No.12171489

Question regarding orbital mechanics and the oberth effect here. I don't know sufficient math on the topic to calculate it myself because I'm retarded.

A rocket burning at the perigee of an orbit where the velocity is the highest will benefit more from its fuel than one that burns at the apogee.

The perigee is fundamentally limited by the radius of the object, ie the more dense it is the smaller it will be and the higher the velocity when "close to it".

Suppose a micro black hole the mass of the Moon, and a rocket on a fly-by trajectory around it almost grazing the event horizon executing its burn there. What happens? Are there any meaningful gains in velocity from this sort of maneuver?

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>>12171411
Fucking. Saved.

>> No.12171491

>>12171490
>golden mars tickets in candy bars
I can see it

>> No.12171505

>>12171457
>If starships works as intended it would provide what the shuttle promised originally right? a cheap space track to elo, right?
Yes. In fact it would so cheap that any middle-large company or multimillionaire could start their own moon base program.

>> No.12171506

>>12171491
a lottery for a trip to mars....i can see some big potential issues with it, but it has a certain charm

>> No.12171508

>>12171411
As much as I look down on negative jew memes and their derivatives, this is pretty great.

>> No.12171513

>>12171508
>As much as I look down on
nobody cares this is 4chan

>> No.12171516

>>12171457
you already made this post you slobbering fucktard

>> No.12171518
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>>12171508
Don't flip your yid-lid moshie it's all for a laugh

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Say something nice about the way I look you cowards

>> No.12171525

>>12171508
I get that the original version is antisemitic, but I view the "With [x] you win!" versions as the opposite.

>> No.12171534

>>12171523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRxwMU66Tu8

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>>12171523
Too fat.

>> No.12171539

>>12171505
how the fucking fuck, this mades no sense. Like

how
how in thef uckign fuck can going to the moon cost :
-$2000.000.000.000.000 with 1960s tech and
-$20.000.000 with 2020 tech, its not possible. Dont give me thta computers are faster, theres no way a TEN MILLION FUCKING FOLD FACTOR OF REDUCTIONOR OF COSTORS behavecoamply asfe

>> No.12171542

>>12171046
actually they just capped out both width and length and then called it good

>> No.12171544

>>12171523
looks like a cute lil turtle uwu :3

imho it will probably look a lot better when in use on the moon, the a7l looked sexy as fuck when covered in moon dust and this could well be the same.

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>>12171544
fuck forgot pic

>> No.12171558

>>12171539
That is the power of not falling for the cost plus meme.

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>>12171550

>> No.12171570
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>>12171457

Shuttle was supposed to bring down costs for more reasons than just cheap launches. Big mass/volume margins and the ability to bring stuff down for repair on the ground were supposed to shorten design times and make manufacture easier. Starship would be able to do both of those things even better than shuttle, in theory.

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How do you build self-recovering solid boosters?

Falcon-style retropopulsive landing is out of the question since, by design, SRB's can't be throttled.

>Oldspace thinks fishing SRB's out of the ocean after sitting there for days is "reusability"
>by blind luck, there has yet to be an incident where a spend SRB lands right on some poor blokes Four Winns party boat
>literally nothing preventing aforementioned from happening

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>>12171560
holy fucking kek

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>>12171413
God dammit it just bleeds speed!

>> No.12171580

>>12171570
>delivery of propellant module

did this ever happen?

>> No.12171582

>>12171580
it's on the docket for 2021

>> No.12171584

>>12171582
with the shuttle I mean

>> No.12171587

>>12171584
lol no

>> No.12171592
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>>12171536
too fat

>> No.12171594

>>12171570
Fuck Helvetica, we're going with the LSU font

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>>12171490
>>12171491

>> No.12171599

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/opinion/sway-kara-swisher-elon-musk.html

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>>12171594
>Helvetica
It's Futura you fucking zoom-zoom.

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>>12171462
based soviets

>> No.12171607

Why would the Chinese build a school in a space lane

>> No.12171613

>>12171606
Why does Energia look so dirty?

>> No.12171614

>>12171613
It's a filthy communist.

>> No.12171627

>>12171613
everything soviet is dirty

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>>12171613
Because it's soviet union, notice the sepia filter and all the burnt out cars and shit. It's an integral part to not being American.

>> No.12171632

>>12171602
Are you daft? The shuttle used Helvetica. I’m so confident without googling i’m willing to bet my first born child on this

>> No.12171639

>Spaceships aren't a way to save the human race. They're a way to show the human race is worth saving.
-Dickhard Fineman

>> No.12171655
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Shuttle carried lidar of SpaceX Dragon.

>> No.12171670

>>12171655
woah what

>> No.12171681

Wait... the apollo CSM engine was the same as the Shuttle orbital maneuvering engine, which is also going to be Orion’s main engine? Is this common knowledge? I’m just learning this....

>> No.12171682

>>12171655
I didn't know that

>> No.12171683

>>12171639
literally the other way aroudn retarded idiot.

were all facist sadistics impeerialisticallstitcaly and worst of all by much (if youre not brainwsahsed, come jjoin i canf yohsow you the freddommuezz ) capitalistic!!!! living world ina

and all is bad an dpeople kill people and the money ist here for all to live good but people prefer kill baby instead of good all happy all eveyroyne liughting for all???????????????


Like humanity CAN save itself and the medium to do that is technology, like spaceships, but the things that humanity has to fix about itself are moral, ethics and art.

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>>12171670
There is direct continuity between American spacecraft.

>> No.12171690

>>12171516
prooofff it

>> No.12171695

>>12171523
it looks like its permanently rapping, you cant unsee it

>> No.12171706

>>12171686
The dragon tho. Looked like it could have been made by Bad Dragons.

>> No.12171710

>>12171690
>>12170637

>> No.12171719

>>12171489

i just spent like 30 minutes trawling through stackexchange to figure out how to calculate flyby velocities off of hohmann transfers only to discover that the flyby velocity of any mass at its schwarzchild radius is the speed of light.

so yes, i think the gains of burning at periblackhole are pretty meaningful.

>> No.12171726

>>12171706
wow, havent heard that one before
fuck you

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>>12171200
>Today in alternate history
>2008 – Falcon 1 again fails to reach orbit on it's fourth and final launch, SpaceX files for bankruptcy

>> No.12171731
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Ready to practice "flags and footprints" /sfg/?

>> No.12171734

>>12171655
interesting

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>>12171572

I would build them like the Baikal booster with a jet engine and wings to land them like an aircraft.

>> No.12171741

>>12171731
>w-we promise artemis isn't a repeat of apollo
>it's not just about flags and footprints guys

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>>12171727
>the only future for spaceflight is sls's maiden flight soon™, blue origin and virgin galactic to start flying people soon™, and the glorious rise of cubesat launchers

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>>12171727
>Boing's wet dream
Dream on, Shelby.

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>>12171738
>>12171572
rogallo wing + skids would be simpler to implement if you've just got plenty of flat land around...

>> No.12171757

>>12171655
Two times in 2009 and 2011.
http://spaceref.com/onorbit/spacexs-dragoneye-navigation-sensor-successfully-demonstrated-on-space-shuttle.html

>> No.12171758

>>12171731
How much practice does planting a flag require? I'm pretty sure most if not all humans are capable of putting a stick in the ground without any additional training required.

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>>12171748
>>12171727

Meanwhile in the alternate-verse, Soyuz seat prices just went up to 200 million dollars per seat.

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>>12171738
I coincidentally found this like 5 minutes ago, any correlation?

>> No.12171779

>>12171731
unironically think flags and footprints is a perfectly valid reason to explore other celestial bodies

>> No.12171789

>>12171741
Correct, this time it is about vaginas on the moon

>> No.12171790

>>12171411
check'd, kek'd, and saved

>> No.12171791

>>12171681
yeah, NASA has been completely stuck for fifty years doing nothing

>> No.12171799

>>12171683
i love schizos

>> No.12171800

>>12171760
>Russian oligarchs became so wealthy they bought 90% of land property in US.
>Victory by corruption

>> No.12171805
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>>12171789
Draw a giant benis on Titan and Europa, wait.

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>>12171779
Absolutely. The national prestige gained Apollo 8 and 11 alone more than justified the costs of the program, to say nothing of the technical and scientific breakthroughs.

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>One year later and we have yet to see concept art of Starship's interior
AAAAAAAAAAAH I want Elon to get drunk and tweet it out, I know he's had his tesla guys whip up concept art and he has it in his camera roll somewhere

>> No.12171831

ok, i like ceres as a destination as much as the next guy, but why are astrobiology shills shillin for ceres? like big deal, it has brine. fucking brine is everywhere in the solar system, what makes ceres different?

>> No.12171832

>Starship wikipedia page
>Comparable rockets: N1, SLS, Energia, Falcon Heavy, Shuttle, Long March 9, Saturn V
How are any of these comparable?

>> No.12171834

>>12171819
supposedly we're getting it next month

>> No.12171837

>>12171832
lift

>> No.12171840

>>12171832
Basically they all fall within the based category

>> No.12171841

>>12171832
BEEG

(Bimodal Extrasolar Earmark Grant)

>> No.12171843

>>12171819
>implying any company, newspace or old, will ever develop its own manned spacecraft without NASA bankrolling its missions and R&D

>> No.12171844

>>12171840
>SLS
>based

>>12171837
>Falcon Heavy
>Shuttle
>N1
>SLS block 1
>anywhere near 150 tons to LEO

>> No.12171847

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/mars-water-bodies-nasa-alien-life-b673519.html

Well, this is not new exactly,but it shows further confirmation of what was already widely expected about liquid water on mars.

>> No.12171848

>>12171832
they're fucking huge

>> No.12171849

>>12171844
uhhhh we're gonna be lucky to see 100t for the first few years of orbital SS

>> No.12171850

>>12171844
>anywhere near 150 tons to LEO
there has been literally nothing else built but them that comes close. what are you expecting?

>> No.12171854

>>12171844
Starship isn't near 150 tons either faggot
Cope harder

>> No.12171855

>>12171849
If Shuttle gets to pretend to be a superheavy lifter by counting the Orbiter as payload, we can count Starship's dry mass as payload and claim it as a 500 ton lifter or whatever

You're probably right though if we aren't fucking with the numbers for fun

>> No.12171857
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>>12171779
Based

>> No.12171861

>>12171844
SLS is based because it has more mass to LEO than Starship starting on the first launch

>> No.12171862

>>12171850
I want the article to say "Comparable vehicles: NONE", because that's true

but I suspect the wikispergs will be very upset

>> No.12171866

>>12170024
I like it anon

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>>12171862
>I want the article to say "Comparable vehicles: NONE", because that's true
you're being embarrassingly autistic about something so trivial anon

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>>12171861

>> No.12171875

>>12171844
>>anywhere near 150 tons to LEO
Counting the mass of the Shuttle orbiter they were all designed to lift at least 80 tons to LEO. If you limited it to operational 100t+ lift rockets it would be comparable only to the Saturn V.

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shit i forgot to add pic

>> No.12171879

>>12171857
>that roman salute in the background

yikes

>> No.12171880

>>12171870
wait I just noticed in this gif that the last thing the Axiom station does before undocking is to steal the Leonardo module, what

>> No.12171882

>>12171879
He's just waving hello at the Earth anon.

>> No.12171884

>>12171875
>counting the mass of the Shuttle orbiter
See
>>12171855
If you count the orbiter as mass Starship is a 300 ton lift vehicle

>> No.12171886

>>12171880
it does it quick without anyone noticing don't worry about it

>> No.12171887

>>12171880
DA VINKI?

>> No.12171892

>>12171886
>Houston we have a problem
>the uh, the Leonardo module is gone
>yeah I dunno what happened, it's just fucking gone man
>check out the cupola? alright
>THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS!

>> No.12171893

>>12171832
Long and pointy. Note the sentence makes no sense even for the ones listed since they aren't really comparable to each other as well.

>> No.12171899

>>12171855
It should be counted though. The SLS is, after all, fundamentally the shuttle stack without the shuttle.

>> No.12171900

>>12171880
What's the ISS gonna do, call the Space Force on them?

>> No.12171902
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who's ready for a full starship stack at elon's october event

>> No.12171905

>>12171900
Emergency payment to spacex to send one of the starships and retrieve the runaway station.

>> No.12171907

>>12171902
I hope so

>> No.12171909

>>12171902
I just want to see the big SH grid fins. they're gonna be what, as big as a car or something

>> No.12171910

>>12170164
Earths atmosphere is like 20% rocket fuel what’s your point Niggaaaaa

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>>12171727
SpaceX currently has 8000 employees. Where are they in this mirror universe?

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Muskbros.....

>> No.12171917

>>12171909
They aren't going to be single piece titanium castings, are they? That would be a metric fuckton of titanium.

>> No.12171921

>>12170468
Typically that stat is reviewed per hour.

>> No.12171923
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>>12171917
They'll be steel. F9 gridfins are already pushing it for titanium casting.

>>12171909
BIG reentry Yotsuba goes wooooosh.

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The shuttle stack couldn't get to orbit without the shuttle though, since the rs-25's were on the orbiter, and not the orange shit tank like Buran/Energia
But DESU with that metric, it makes superheavy a 500ton to LEO super rocket

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>>12171916
Not so fast...

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SpaceX and Boing need to step it up....

You can't beat this

>> No.12171935

>>12171916
>an alternate history where Britain didn't scrap the Warspite, and thus wasn't cursed for the last century
>Black Arrow becomes a successful family of launch vehicles
>Canada becomes a specialist in polar orbits from Manitoba
>Her Majesty's Domain expands across the cosmos

>> No.12171937

>>12171926
and now we've spent 10 years trying to invent energia except shittier

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>> No.12171941

>>12171926
>500ton LEO super rocket
Because that's exactly what it is. Remember the Starship is also payload, and valuable enough that it has to come back intact most of the time.

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>>12171909
imagine

>> No.12171952

>>12171916
UKSA is such a shite name but I do like the logo.

>> No.12171953

>>12171910
Well anon,Titan is also largely made out of ice,meaning that if you have access to a high-temp nuclear reactor, a technology that goes very well with how cold titan is in terms of efficiency and safety, it's easy to catalytically or even electrically crack the water into hydrogen and oxygen, allowing you to easily fully refuel diverse types of spaceships on the planet. Hydrogen is good for nuclear powered ships and methalox is good for advanced chemical rockets.

>> No.12171956

>>12171935
You are probably thinking of the alternate history where the british empire didn't suicide against the germans.

>> No.12171958

>>12171952
RSA - Royal Space Agency

or

RSF- Royal Space Force

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>>12171935
She tried to warn them.... but alas.

>> No.12171966

>>12171958
Navy, tbqh

>> No.12171968

>>12171958
>Royal Aeronautical Society Space Expeditionary Corps, Mars Station

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>>12171916
Absolutely majestic

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>>12171961
I like it.

>> No.12171979

>>12171902
loxstack4booster
or
lox stack 4 (booster)

>> No.12171983
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>>12171854
It also doesn't cost a billion dollars each, with no capacity to build more than two per year.

>> No.12171985

>>12171940
>TFW no poop zipper on your starliner bubble pressure suit
Never gonna make it

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>>12171940
>WEEEEE!!

>> No.12171993

>>12171983
SLS is real

>> No.12172001

>>12171993
real fuckin' expensive

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>>12171993
At the current rate of development and production it's entirely possible Starship makes orbit before Artemis 1.

>> No.12172005

>>12171776

No, that image is just done for aesthetic reasons. Depicting a rocket as a literal suicide drone/interceptor. ASAT weapons IRL resemble satellites more than actual rockets.

>> No.12172008

>>12172005
and hopefully they aren't having to use their main engine for a course correction when they're 50 feet away from impact

>> No.12172019

>>12172003
Doesn't matter. SLS is getting funded for a decade at least because critical industrial jobs during economic crisis

>> No.12172042

>>12172019
Okay, so? They'll launch maybe a dozen SLS cores over ten years before the CBO pulls the plug. Starship is real. SLS is a jobs program.

>> No.12172056

>>12172042
>>12172019

Mr. SLS Is Real himself says it's possible it gets cancelled by 2025

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/former-nasa-administrator-says-sls-rocket-will-go-away/

>> No.12172060

>>12171880
>yoink

>> No.12172065

>>12171373
Yup, you don't even need to rad harden shit anymore when you can just embed your electronics in a one ton block of plastic.

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>>12171878

>> No.12172071

>>12171403
We don't talk about SLS THAT often, come on.

>> No.12172085

>>12172066
>Australian Royal Space Expedition Society

>> No.12172086

>>12171457
>wouldnt it be trivial to build a mars or moon ship in modules
Never ever ever, because if yo have the launch capabilities offered by Starship, you ALREADY HAVE a cheap and capable vehicle that can go to Mars and back, whereas to build a second thing out of modules in space you'd at the very least be on the hook to develop that modular spacecraft, and also you'd better be installing some breakthrough propulsion tech on that thing otherwise you're going to be really hurting for delta V, due to not being able to aerobrake on arrival to Mars or Earth.

>> No.12172095

be honest. do you participate in literally any other threads on /sci/ besides these, and the launch threads?

>> No.12172096

>>12172066
On that note I wonder how many knifes have made it into space to this day.

You can rule out everything that isn't manned flight and even then. Duct tape rips itself and there's no real reasons to cut in space. Even food is rarely of a kind that needs tools.
I guess one-3 per flight in the medikit and 20 on every space station?

>> No.12172099

>>12172095
Scientifically speaking those other threads are for nerds

>> No.12172106

>>12172056
implying it will fly by 2025

>> No.12172107

>>12172056
I love a good character arc

>> No.12172108

>>12172086
how about if you have to go to europa?

>> No.12172110

>>12172095
no because other threads are either generals for things I don't know much about, or race and IQ spam

>> No.12172113

>>12172066
>A Xeno took my VB!

>> No.12172115

>>12172095
never

>> No.12172124

>>12171831
It's easier to get to and work around than any of the other super-briny places.

>> No.12172147

>>12172095
/sci/ is full of a bunch of 110-120iq dimwits who vent their frustration from being bullied in high school onto subjects of science and math, and avoid actual discussion of the subjects lel
They're a bunch of DYEL nerds who can't bench bodyweight (Less than 1pl8)

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a shame it never really got a chance to shine. it's the middle child of the fleet.

>> No.12172155

>>12172147
I can bench my bodyweight on Mars

>> No.12172157

>>12172095
depends if something good shows up in the catalog

>> No.12172158

Body Odor will surpass Space-X. it's only a matter of time. and we all know, slow and steady wins the race. sleeping giant bezos will prevail

>> No.12172159

>>12172151
DoD payolads next year.

>> No.12172160

>>12172147
>>12172155
I can bench my bodyweight on earth. My joints don't like it if I do anymore though. Getting fucking old. Don't think everybody here only lifted books.

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>> No.12172168

>>12172164
this shit is gonna be as routine as airplanes landing

>> No.12172171

>>12171539
Well you see, back in the 60's they were throwing away a rocket, lander, and capsule with every mission which cost over $8 billion in today's dollars
Also, no, a moon mission back then did not cost 2 quadrillion dollars. Not even the 1960's american economy could handle that.

>> No.12172172

>>12172164
More rockets

>> No.12172180

>>12171681
Yep. No innovation allowed, you're stuck with literal 1950's rocket engines using ancient toxic hypergolic propellant mixtures, goy.

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>>12172164
fixed

>> No.12172188

>>12172147
Actually I’m oly weightlifter trained and an electrical technician with more experience In aerospace than half of you and I Know there’s smarter people than me in this general.

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>>12172180
the more I learn about oldspace, the worse it gets. It's fucking unbelievable that almost nothing has been done all this time

>> No.12172191

>>12171831
You're not allowed to sent probes to land on any object that may have once had one liter of liquid water on its surface for one year a billion years ago, and you're not allowed to land people on any object that has any evidence that liquid water ever existed in any form

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Do you guys interpret question b as being an elliptical orbit? I was thinking it could be a parabolic orbit just grazing the planet and the speed could simply be found as:

[math] v = \sqrt{\frac{2 \mu}{r}}[/math]

But if it is an elliptical orbit, how in the hell would one go about finding the speed when we have no knowledge about the semi-major axis or the eccentricity of the orbit, which is necessary in the vis viva equation to find the velocity i.e.

[math] v = \sqrt{\mu(\frac{2}{r} - \frac{1}{a})} [/math]

There is no other info on the problem

>> No.12172196

>>12172191
based protector of planets

>> No.12172198

>>12171832
>>12171844
More thrust and burnout mass in orbit than Delta IV Heavy

>> No.12172202

>>12172095
I almost never check the catalog anymore. Any interesting threads sit at the bottom with 3 replies, and all the good threads might be lucky if they get five replies a day. Hell, /sfg/ sits at the top and sometimes we get a reply an hour. And fuck the math threads... I'm sure they are interesting and funny if you enjoy math, but I am not a numberfag

>> No.12172213

>>12172189
I mean I'm pretty sure they roll with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" kind of philosophy. And considering that the engines NASA uses costs them millions and millions and millions of dollars I don't think they want to create new engines every program. BUT... that being said... if NASA wanted to do cost-plus contracting to make Congress and contractors happy, I don't understand why they didn't mandate something like a new reusable methalox engine for Orion which had to be built by a certain timeframe and had to demonstrate refueling from ISRU fuel at least once. Contractors would still get paid and NASA could at least advance their own tech. It's all so tiresome

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>>12171779
Unnecessarily based

>> No.12172233

I watched a video of scott manley recently and he was holding a model ISS and i kept getting scared when he shook it around, like i know it was just a toy but imagine if a big scot manley was shaking the iss around, like be careful bro.

idk imagining the iss getting manhandled scares me

>> No.12172238

>>12171849
I wanna clear something up for all the anons out there, because I'm autistic enough to do the math and bring this knowledge to all of you.
We can roughly estimate the propellant mass of Starship by using known dimensions to estimate the internal volumes of the tanks, and if we assume a 90% fill ratio, we get about 1300 tons of methalox. We also know that Starship with full payload is gonna need at least about 6 km/s of delta V, yes? This is because of how much delta V the Booster can realistically supply while still being reusable. So Starship has 1300 tons of propellant and a delta V of ~6 km/s once dry, WITH payload. Working backwards, estimating an average Isp of 370 for the stage, I get a burnout mass of ~300 tons.
Basically, as long as SpaceX can build Starship and have its dry mass be 300 tons or less, it can get to orbit fully reusable. That requires a propellant mass fraction of 81.25%, which is easy to achieve even with reuse hardware installed, because methalox is rather dense. Once SpaceX has built a version of Starship that has this mass fraction, they can do reusable orbital flights and continue to improve the dry mass over time.
Literally any reduction in dry mass results in a 1:1 increase in payload. To achieve 150 tons payload to LEO, Starship needs a dry mass of 150 tons. That'd be a mass ratio of 90% propellant, more difficult but doable. Alternatively, they can just stretch every stage to increase wet mass, dry mass, and payload mass in proportion until the payload becomes equal to 150 tons.

>> No.12172239

>>12172189
oldspace is comfy tho

>> No.12172240

Is ScrubX going to Mars in my lifetime?
I think they'll scrub the landing on Mars to the day after I die at this point.
And I'm like 38.

>> No.12172246

>>12172188
Appreciate it bro, I know I'm smarter than you too.

>> No.12172247

>>12172240
Unless you're dying of Cancer or obesity, you'll probably live to see boots in Mars in the decade, or early next decade

>> No.12172249

>>12172233
Interesting post
Interesting dubs

>> No.12172253

>>12171779
Well, technically, unlike the Moon, footprints won't last on Mars.

>> No.12172262

>>12172240
>>12172247
Different anon but I hope I was born just in time to CATCH THE WAAAAAVE. Fucking best case scenario for my life and personal timeline would be it Elon is looking for people to help train colonists in geology just as i’m finishing school and people are being selected to go

>> No.12172263

>>12172247
Yeah, that's the thing with cancer.
It usually comes uninvited, and unless your an hypochondriac getting at least a full scan every year, it will just take you away in a few months.

>> No.12172267

>>12172233
>a giant hand extends over the earth
>shadow falls across the land
>it grabs the ISS and starts shaking
>air is leaking everywhere, the astronauts are cowering inside Soyuz being slammed against the walls
>a great cosmic voice ripples through space, so deep and so loud it's measurable as gravity waves
>HULLO

>> No.12172272

>>12171935
>building literally anything in Manitoba
Spring flooding and impassable muskeg terrain will come to you unless you post "I keep my car doors unlocked just in case someone needs to escape from a polar bear" in this thread

>> No.12172275

>>12172262
I wish I was young enough.
But then again, I bet a lot of them will die.

>> No.12172280

>>12172247
I wanna see boobs on Mars :DD

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>>12172267

>> No.12172283

>>12172233
You mean his most recent upload? lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp8jbP_22c

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>>12172233
>>12172283
COWER IN FEAR

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What the hell, even the crane is giving up.
That's it boys, Mars is cancelled.

>> No.12172291

>>12172233
scott manhandley

>> No.12172295

>>12172290
would still be standing if it was a carbon composite crane

>> No.12172297

>>12172290
The crane operator quit because he was black and told elon to kneel and say "black lives matter". elon told him to "go home n*gger" and the rest was history (herstory)

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>>12172297
>history (herstory)
Heresy?

>> No.12172307

>>12172108
If you are going father than the delta V budget of Starship can take you, then it makes sense to do at least a bit of orbital construction, with the caveat that we still don't have the propulsion technology to allow reusable high-delta-V space tugs with viable thrust to weight ratios.
Shit like VASIMR is in development hell but in principal it could be possible to make an electric propulsion system that can achieve the ~2000 Isp necessary to allow us to push a fully loaded and fully fueled Starship to Jupiter and perform capture all in a single stage, the issue is that it's a problem of supplying the power necessary to achieve enough thrust that this vehicle can reach its transfer velocity in a few months at most. The reason this is necessary is because with manned spacecraft we just don't have time to sit around accelerating at 0.0001 g for ten years to spiral-trajectory our way out out Jupiter or wherever.
And no, fusion doesn't solve this problem, because fusion just makes heat like any other nuclear power source. The real breakthrough that would be necessary would be direct energy conversion without needing a heat engine; even if that shit were only 10% efficient we'd be able to reject ALL heat as waste, and use smaller high temperature radiators, rather than being stuck trying to radiate heat from the cold side of our heat engine. Remember, the rate of thermal radiation from an object rises with like the cube of the temperature or something crazy like that, so if you are radiating at half the temperature you need 8x the radiator area. Conversely, if we can just directly reject the reactor's heat at 1500 celsius, vs a heat engine output at 150 celsius, we only need radiators 1/2^10 as big, or one-one thousandth the area. Therefore even though you need to make 10x the heat in total for the same electricity output, your power supply mass goes down significantly.

>> No.12172318

The ISS is 420 tons (blaze it). Starship has a 120 ton dry mass and a 100 ton payload. Two Starship wet workshops would be more massive than the ISS while providing something like 4x the habitable volume.

And it would cost less than one SLS.

>> No.12172326

>>12172318
Geee is that what like 40 years of advancements and getting the head out of your ass do?

>> No.12172335

>>12172318
Wet workshops only make sense if you're disposing of an upper stage otherwise. There was a window where they were a good idea (e.g. when we were hauling 2000 m^3 hydrogen tanks almost all the way to orbit every shuttle launch) but I think that moment has passed, for better or worse.

>> No.12172343

>>12172335
>tfw we could have had 130 ISS sized wet workshops tied together in orbit to make a super space station

>> No.12172344
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>>12172335
what could have been....

>> No.12172347

>>12172335
It might make sense to use a full Starship with all it's associated systems and thrusters as a core module for a station, and you could use the outer tanks as wet workshop space and just use the header tanks for station keeping. Then dock everything to this specially designed Starship, which can also be launched with a bunch of extra docking ports and such.

>> No.12172349
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>>12172335
>but I think that moment has passed, for better or worse.
the era of wet workshops is over. the time for shuttle-derived stations has come

>> No.12172350

>>12172307
nigga what are you talking about we dont fuckign fusion power or antimatter DIRECT MATTER TO ENERGY CONVERSIOn you king of mongs.

Thats like saying you cant mow your lawn without nanomachines.

chemical is more than enough to get us there and know how to make it storable, if you can make it big enough and have it discard stages it can be hella efficient.

Dont even get me started on tried and tested NERVA engines, which is existing technology.

>> No.12172351
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>>12172343
aaaaaaaaaaaa

>> No.12172356

>>12172350
Lay off the booze ivan

>> No.12172357

>>12172351
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.12172358

>>12170042
Momentum is mass times velocity and is always conserved. You need to push mass one way to go the other to do this

>> No.12172361

>>12172351
>we could already not only know the effects of 0.1 and 0.3g on humans, we could have had hundreds of people living and working at 0.3g since the mid shuttle era
god FUCKING damn it

>> No.12172369

>>12171779
>>12171731
>>12172229
Imagine the seethe from commies, eurocucks, chinks, ruskies when American flag gets planeted on the Moon again and then a year later on Mars.

>> No.12172371

>>12172351
I loathe that the Shuttle era made people think small scale for spaceflight.

>> No.12172372

>>12172344
FINALLY SOMEBODY EXPLAINS WHAT IT'S BASED ON

>> No.12172375

>>12172372
BASED STATION

>> No.12172384

>>12172344
We could've had that, but no. Instead we have "waaah!! space iz hard!!!1".

>> No.12172387

>>12172369
Explosive anal decompression.

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>>12172375

>> No.12172389

>>12172371
I want an alternative history where Shuttle was as cheap and easy to reuse as promised.
>space station freedom, but with a 100m external tank based ring habitat
>nuclear tugs between all the inner planets
>shuttle launching weekly missions to the outer planets on Centaur G
>space tourism on shuttle
>privately built shuttles
>soyuz quietly weeping in a corner, forgotten

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>>12172369
I'm most of the weak kill themselves before the pandemic is over. those that are left will bask in the glory that is AMERICAN ASTRONAUTS WITH AMERICAN FLAGS ON AMERICAN-APPROPRIATED LUNAR REGOLITH

>> No.12172393

>>12172391
at what point can I sign up to mine ice on Ceres in exchange for American citizenship

>> No.12172396

>>12172393
Fuck that, I'll mine asteroids for a Martian citizenship.

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>>12172389
despite the memes i do really like the aesthetic of shuttle launched mega-structures and its a shame the shuttle was never nearly useful enough to be able to pull any of them off

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>>12172393
>>12172396
why not both

>> No.12172402

>>12172400
The way the US is currently looking, I want nothing to do with that shit.

>> No.12172405

So, you guys explain this to me.
Now the big story in Astronomy is JWST finaly launching, eventually.
Even if success, the thing won't last nearly as long as Hubble, as it has a programmed death because of cooling and shit.
Isn't it possible to launch an optical telescope constellation in relatively low Earth orbit, pretty dumb ass single mirror telescopes and use algorithms to make it one giant Earth sized mirror?
If yes, why aren't they being built right now?

>> No.12172408

>>12172402
psh the suburbs are fine

>> No.12172412

>>12172400
>bog standard AR
>random white gas tube leading into the pistol grip for no reason
>weirdly photoshopped not-stock
>white background not cropped from inside flash hider
The more I look at this the stupider it gets

>> No.12172421
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>>12172405
>If yes, why aren't they being built right now?

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>>12172405
space hard

>> No.12172424

>>12172405
Once Starship is flying it will be trivially cheap to launch 9 meter telescopes wherever you want them, James Webb will hopefully be the last of the multi-billion dollar Great Observatories for a while, until something truly massive is built on the Moon

>> No.12172425

>>12172405
space is hard, anon

>> No.12172426

>>12172412
>top-mounted water bottle
Gotta keep hydrated anon

>> No.12172428

>>12172421
>>12172422
Yeah, that doesn't explain shit.

>> No.12172429

>>12172421
I wonder if this is actually true or if we've just been memed into thinking its true because Shuttle

>> No.12172430
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SCRUBBED.com

>> No.12172432

>>12172430
RESULTS

>> No.12172435
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>>12172430
Hope that fucker goes up like the hindenburg.

>> No.12172436

>>12172432
OVER

>> No.12172438

>>12172426
>two front sights
>weird grey protrubabce on the front of the hand guard
>poor background clipping on the picatinny and on the hand guard slots
The more I look at it, the less I like it
Fact is, I don't think it's good
No matter how I look at it
No matter how I break it down
It remains inconsistent

>> No.12172441

>>12172421
>>12172422
>>12172425
Guess it's a meme. ahah, my sides are in orbit.
Not even goint as far as >>12172424
and launching 9m diameter telescopes into space.
What if we had like 100 Hubbles pointing at the same spot?

>> No.12172445

>>12172428
Spaceflight is infected with a mindset that any large scale project will be incredibly difficult and risky. While your idea has merit, it involves unknown technologies that many giants in the industry would be too scared to tackle.

>> No.12172447

>>12172430
SCRUBX.
What font is SpaceX using? I need to make a logo.

>> No.12172448
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>>12172384
They had some good reasons to switch to the dry workshop with skylab at least. They had a limited number of command modules to work with and if they couldn't get the station set up for some reason then you're throwing away the CM along with all the equipment and experiments you sent up too. But with the shuttle none of that was a problem. Worst-case scenario is that you waste 10 days in space before you bring all your equipment back home. Why not give it a goddamn try before you commit to a giant meme station that's gonna eat up the entire space program's budget for decades?

>>12172389
If shuttle had worked as advertised we would have had a moonbase by 1995 and probably earlier.

>> No.12172449

>>12172441
What if I shoved a Hubble up your ass?

>> No.12172450

>>12172441
Ask the NRO, they literally do have a dozen Hubbles just chilling and spying on Iran

>> No.12172452

>>12172436
RHETORIC

>> No.12172456

>>12172445
I know, that's why it's smart.
A single telescope can fail and it won't be a big deal.
It's much like Starlink in that regard.

>> No.12172459

>>12172450
They don't have the right lenses, though.

>> No.12172460

>>12172429
It's true that working in space is challenging, but it was the Shuttle era that cemented the idea that much can't be done in space. It wasn't just the Shuttle though, but rather the whole system that made the Shuttle and maintained it.

>> No.12172463

So wait are there two scrubbed rockets still sitting on their separate pads right now at the Cape?

>> No.12172469

>>12172463
Yeah, space news is just sadness this past few weeks.

>> No.12172470

>>12172456
No, we can't do that because space is hard and a senator isn't directly benefiting from it. Stop asking smart questions. Doing that was what got the guy who tried to stop STS-51-L fired.

>> No.12172472

>>12172429
Depends on your standard.
0 death whatever it costs? You might as well give up.
I'm willing to go up to 10%.

>> No.12172473

>>12172066
why did portugal and spain build a border wall on the border between northern and central italy?

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>>12172448
>Why not give it a goddamn try before you commit to a giant meme station that's gonna eat up the entire space program's budget for decades?
Space is hard. It ain't that easy in rocketry.

>> No.12172480

>>12172470
Space is easy.
Flame part down and you're up there.
Stop being retarded /sci/.

>> No.12172491
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SLS IS REAL
https://youtu.be/AS8vJ3w_Bg4
AND IT IS BASED

>> No.12172498

>>12172491
SLS will blow up and we'll never hear about it again.
Hopefully on first flight, so it doesn't kill anybody.

>> No.12172499

>>12172450
>the NRO
speaking of which, whatever happened to those hubble sized spy satellites they donated to nasa a few years back?

>> No.12172502

I am not convinced that SLS is actually real. Has anyone seen an SLS fly? It's called the Space Launch System, but has one every launched something into space? All they have is a big orange tank and some warmed over Shuttle parts, and they'll put those together and that will be the SLS. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>12172499
One of them is WFIRST, I'm not sure about the others

>> No.12172504

>>12172430
How long has the rocket been sitting on the pad?

>> No.12172505

>>12172498
some of us think the green run will be a big boomer

>> No.12172509

>>12172499
Well, I bet they don't have the right lenses, and just see nothingness until we change them in orbit.

>> No.12172510

>>12172504
Since August.

>> No.12172514
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>>12172502
have some GOD-DAMN FAITH ANON

>> No.12172515

>>12172502
>I am not convinced that SLS is actually real.
You joke, but that's a likely possibility.

>> No.12172516

>>12172505
I'd rather see it boom mid-flight, rather than damage infrastructure that might be useful to SpaceX.

>> No.12172519

>>12172509
They hadn't been launched yet dumbo, the NRO gave NASA a bunch of Hubble class chassis.

>> No.12172520

I wish i could hug jim or at least hold his hand. maybe in my dreams tonight i will dream about this. i bet he has a really strong handshake, like the kind that catches u off guard. i will be ready for it though

>> No.12172521

>>12172502
SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. They're building the core stage. They have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis

>> No.12172526

>>12172520
Tory pls.

>> No.12172527

>>12172519
I know, but how can they be useful?
Their focal point is most likely like 200km.
They need surgery which we can't do since the shuttle retired.

>> No.12172531

>>12172519
>>12172527
Wait, I didn't understand.
Well, then it's a matter of not being able to launch them yet.

>> No.12172535

>>12172515
when do you think the new 2022 launch date will be announced?

>> No.12172539

>>12172499
And also, it means the NRO has had a massive upgrade since Hubble class telescopes.
I wonder how they get them out there.
Why not lend that to NASA?

>> No.12172548

>>12172539
>Why not lend that to NASA?
Since NASA is a public administration everything the NRO shares with NASA has to be made public. And I imagine they're not too keen on letting the Chinese know the specifications of their newest sats

>> No.12172552

>>12172548
So many things have to remain proprietary or classified just to stop the chinks from ruining everything. We'd be better off just nuking the shit out of them.

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>>12172460
At least shuttle actually got off the ground, unlike ALS, NLS, SEI, SLI, NASP, Constellation, and pretty much every other attempt at innovation in American aerospace between 1980-2010. People could be forgiven for thinking maybe all attempts at making meaningful progress in spaceflight were doomed to failure.

Like /sfg/ loves Eyes Turned Skyward and Mike Griffin's article that inspired it ( https://aviationweek.typepad.com/space/2007/03/human_space_exp.html ) but the implication behind both is that we should have just given up on making any ambitious plans in space after 1970. And it wasn't an unreasonable position, at least not until that first booster touched down upright to awaken everyone from their jaded slumbers.

>> No.12172555

>>12172553
>at least not until that first booster touched down upright to awaken everyone from their jaded slumbers.

well put

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>>12172300
HERESY

>> No.12172558

Musk says he'll only decide who to vote for after the debates
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0tLbSy0jabszL7E1D0ipQQ?si=ng8Ia6lXTc-A2zjdZIiPHQ
"If Biden has got it together"...
based

>> No.12172559

>>12172552
If only Douglas McArthur had his way

>> No.12172561

>>12172548
Well, you know, Hubble was like 30 years ago.
I imagine they've not been just using those since.

>> No.12172563

>>12172548
Trump will just tweet out a 12cm resolution photo of Hainan naval base next time China threatens Taiwan

>> No.12172566

>>12172558
We all know who to vote for spaceflight.
I'm not even a US citizen.

>> No.12172569

>>12172563
>12cm resolution photo
"If you look over here you can see a Chinese sailor jerking off on duty, but fortunately the camera's resolution is too low to need to censor anything."

>> No.12172572

>>12172535
It hasn't come already?

>> No.12172577

>>12172572
Well, you know, election year and stuff.

>> No.12172585

>>12172572
Officially they still have to maintain a 2024 date for Artemis 3. If Trump loses you can expect massive delays announced pretty fast.

>> No.12172589

>>12172585
If Trump looses, you can expect it to can.
Which is good in theory, but he'll need the money to fund hes socialist program.

>> No.12172590

>>12172558
>first 30 seconds of Musk talking
>SELL YOUR STOCK, I DON'T CARE, WHATS THIS PODCAST ABOUT ANYWAYS
I love Musk so much

>> No.12172592

"as soon as two years from now"
for flying starship with people
"definitely in 3"

>> No.12172597

>>12172553
>At least shuttle actually got off the ground, unlike ALS, NLS, SEI, SLI, NASP, Constellation, and pretty much every other attempt at innovation in American aerospace between 1980-2010. People could be forgiven for thinking maybe all attempts at making meaningful progress in spaceflight were doomed to failure.
That's why I hate the "space is hard" mindset, it has history backing it up, or at least until you actually look into why those programs were failures. They were failures due to poor politics and management never due to technical issues, but most people don't care enough to look into the nuance of stuff like that.

>> No.12172596
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This is neat. Apparently Starlink is working well enough at 40-50 degrees latitude that SpaceX loaned some ground stations to wildfire responders in Washington.

>> No.12172604

>>12172592
Yeah, so 10 years, I get it.
But actually no. I think the engines are running ok, and that makes a happy rocket.

>> No.12172616

>>12172592
If any human flies on an orbital starship before 2024 I will swallow every ounce of jizz Elon's testicles produce for the rest of his life.

>> No.12172617

>>12172597
If you ever try investing the idea that 90% of people take rhetoric at face value and don't look deeper is super common. Mortgage bonds are the big historical example.

>> No.12172634

>>12172558
I don't even see him not supporting Trump for the next 4 years.
Biden has not even stated anything about NASA, nevertheless SpaceX.
It's just not his concern.
Prepare for zero $ budget.

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Astronomy on Mars will be kino as fuck. Imagine staring across the great gulf at humanity's birth place from another planet. Not to mention the completely dark skies with little atmosphere to restrict observation.

>> No.12172660

>>12172652
Earth won't be visible at night on Mars most of the year, since it's too close to the sun. It'd be a morning/evening star like Venus is to us.

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>>12172521
>SLS is real. Artemis is real. Starliner is real, and strong, and it's my friend.

>> No.12172679

What would happen if a crew on a starship going to mars committed mutiny and set the starship for an earth intercept trajectory to hit new york city or some other major city.

>> No.12172680

>>12172679
Computer controlled.

>> No.12172687

>>12172680
yeah but what if they somehow found a way around this

>> No.12172688

>>12172616
Let's see.
They're making them at like one tank per month.
Never looked like fins or nosecone production was the problem.
My guess is it was more like an engine limited production.
Think about it, the booster is supposed to host like 27.
Better make them a lot before it all fails.
Well, that being said, even if they can produce engines like there's no tomorrow, it's all about if that belly-flop manoeuvre is possible with accuracy.
I have to say, if it works, I wouldn't want to be in there.

>> No.12172692

>>12172687
SpaceX take over control as soon as it enters within distance.

>> No.12172696

>>12172687
we'd have to get everyone in one hemisphere to simultaneously fart at once to push earth out of the way

>> No.12172706

>>12172687
>you're alright anon don't be on the Earth tomorrow

>> No.12172707

>>12172688
Even if it goes orbital it's going to need hundreds of flights to get man-rated, or at least that was Elon's position a while back. They can't even do more than one hop per month yet.

>> No.12172724

>>12172707
it'll be a lot easier to do flights once they have full ground infrastructure for launches as well as fully functional landing legs

>> No.12172733

>>12172707
No gonna matter.
Biden is just gonna cancel Space to pay reparations.
If you don't agree, you're not human.

>> No.12172734

>>12172707
>comparing development time with launch time
Low iq

>> No.12172740

>>12172734
this

>> No.12172741

I just had a dream where I did something I can't quite remember and the Moon crashed into the Earth

>> No.12172748

>>12172741
Shitty reasoning ability. Nothing anyone alive on this earth right now can effect the moon. If the moon did crash into the Earth in your dream, its because of some cosmic event thats far beyond the scope of your understanding.

You might as well have said that in you did something in your dream that blocked the sun for 12 hours every night.

>> No.12172751

>>12172733
*Harris

>> No.12172755

>>12172596
Meanwhile, Cockcast is sending out bills to customers who were renting their modems that got burnt up in the fire, to pay for damaged property. Same thing happened years ago during a hurricane with terrible flooding.
I can't fucking wait for Starlink.

>> No.12172758

>>12172019

*not critical

>> No.12172766

Cryotesting next week on 4th/5th/6th

>> No.12172769
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OH NO NO NO
IT KEEPS SCRUBBENING

>> No.12172770

>>12172755
People who rent their modem are dumb. You can literally buy a used modem on ebay/amazon for $10-$20. Why would you pay for $10 every month extra for modem use?

>> No.12172777

>>12172724
Sure, but the chances that they get the ground infrastructure built up to where they want it in the next 3 years are very slim.

>>12172734
>thinking that you can jump from development to regular operations in 18 months

>> No.12172778

>>12172748
Hey it was a dream ok? It was like I accidentally changed some configuration setting, but I'm not sure what or where or how exactly, and the Moon suddenly slowed down and fell down

>> No.12172784

>>12172770
The average person is braindead retarded, and thinks the internet works through magic and pixie dust, and lacks even a basic children's education on computers and hardware

>> No.12172787

>>12172777
>thinking that you can jump from development to regular operations in 18 months
Low IQ confirmed. You don't know what you're arguing.

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>>12172777
Based trips of oldspace cost-plus time-frames

>> No.12172795

>>12172777
>Sure, but the chances that they get the ground infrastructure built up to where they want it in the next 3 years are very slim.
You're unironically retarded. Have you seen how much development they've already done since just last year?k

>> No.12172805

>>12172777
>Sure, but the chances that they get the ground infrastructure built up to where they want it in the next 3 years are very slim.
You mean 39A which already handled the Saturn V and Boca Chica which is already building a full stack test stand?

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12172809

>Hello, this is President Biden.
>Space is fake and you should only be thinking about paying reparations for black people.
It's only gonna take a thousand years.

Merika is only gonna go from ok to absolute worse space nation.

>> No.12172820

>>12172809

If Biden becomes the president, will SpaceX move to another country? Russia? Japan?

>> No.12172825

>>12172405
JWST is passively cooled, anon.

>> No.12172827

>>12172809
First of all
>president
>Biden
Even Biden has admitted Harris is the real candidate, on live TV. But beyond that, SpaceX is now a legitimate South Texas and California jobs program and an important pillar of the military industrial complex. And with that comes the most important currency in the world. Senators and military brass. The Army is fucking cumming over Starlink, and Starship could be a stepwise change for both the Spaceforce and for air logistics.

>> No.12172830

>>12172820
No.

>> No.12172836

>>12172820
Well, it's hard to do that and still have NROD contracts.
>>12172825
JWST will also fail deploying, by all odds.

Let's just say /sfg/ is threatened by Biden.

>> No.12172843

>>12172827
You underestimate how much socialicism they want, and how much space they're willing to get from you.

>> No.12172844

>>12172820
Probably no point, Russia has only been able to push 9 flights this year, pathetic next to the US and China. China will just nationalize his company and steal all of it's assets, then kick him out of the country if he protests. Japan is highly developed but also economically quite tight in the belt, while they have been doing some stuff in space I doubt they'd take on a project as ambitious as SpaceX, it might even inflame tension with China which they don't want for obvious reasons. EUshitters are too busy giving billions in gibs to somali economic migrants who behead native citizens in the street to fly rockets.

Besides this, Biden is highly unlikely to win the presidency by fair means, and if he wins it by foul means the Democrats will be caught almost instantly, considering how sloppy they've been the past decade. The US will have something much more immediate to worry about at that point, which would probably involve rockets but not the friendly kind.

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>>12172755
>sending out bills to customers who were renting their modems that got burnt up in the fire, to pay for damaged property.
Where's a Killdozer when you need one

>> No.12172848

>>12172809
So have they started calling out these images and videos as deepfakes now considering the sudden and rapid social/media conditioning about deepfakes we've seen in the news this and past year?

>> No.12172852

>>12172836
I think the Biden fear is overplayed because the Democrats are going to spend most of their time reversing as much Trump policy as they can, but SpaceX has a political shield in the form of military Starship and Starlink interest. It's very hard to kill something multiple branches of the military really want. They might kill Artemis, but is anyone here more excited about Artemis than Elon's own plans?

>> No.12172854
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>>12172795
>>12172805
They've done a great job at ramping up their production facilities, but they're only allowed 12 orbital launches a year from Boca Chica and I haven't seen any work getting started on sea launch platforms. Any facilities work at the KSC is going to go slower than in Boca because lolnasa.

>>12172787
The only low-IQ move I see is people taking Elon time literally. If we get to 2023 and we're having one SS orbital test flight per month I'll still be pleased as can be.

>> No.12172860

>>12172843
Obama fucking hated military spending and yet couldn't kill the F-35 program. He barely even tried. Despite it being literally ISS expensive. Harris would be insane to attack a South Texas jobs program that three different branches of the military all want to see succeed.

To defeat the Democrats, SpaceX must become old space.

>> No.12172866

>>12172852
You're underestimating the socialicism.
Have you ever heard what the man is saying?
It's almost like communism, I tell you.

>> No.12172869

>>12172860
>Harris would be insane
I mean she is but your point is valid, I don't think the team backing her would let that happen.

>> No.12172871
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>>12172866
Da, communism is also good if make great spending on rocket and defense comrade

all quadrant but bottom left is good for makings of glorious space empire, and Harris is of authoritarian strongwomyn type

>> No.12172878

>>12172871
Yeah, no.
>Make people poor
>Keep money for rockets
>People don't wan't to work on rockets?
N1 101.

>> No.12172881
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>>12172871
cyka bylat is posting of wrong images

>> No.12172883

>>12172871
Communism is never good.
Socialism to an extent I can understand.
It's almost as if we needed to know again why we're keeping enough nukes to wipe us all out both ways.

>> No.12172894

>>12172883
Communism is never good for a people or for liberty or for long term advancement, but it proved decent enough specifically at space to compete for a while with peak 60s NASA. Besides, nobody is going to try actual communism in America because the Supreme Court is 6-3. Harris is going to be way more limited in her fucker than people think, and she's obviously insane and unlikable enough to guarantee Tucker Carlson wins in 2024.

>> No.12172905

>>12172894
>nobody is going to try actual communism in America
That's where you're wrong.
I'm not even American, and I wonder how Biden is even a candidate in your world.

>> No.12172909

>>12172905
god i wish biden was a commie

>> No.12172912

>>12172883
Socialism is the cause of Communism, it is by far the most popular tool used to attempt to achieve Socialism.

>> No.12172915

>>12172909
>>12172912
Reparations.
Are you prepared to pay taxes to directly pay niggers for what their ancestors had to deal with?

>> No.12172916

>>12172905
>and I wonder how Biden is even a candidate in your world
The democrats need a white man to get a woman of color through the finish line.

>> No.12172922

>>12172915
there's this thing call not paying taxes. trump's a master at it, and i've managed pretty well too

>> No.12172923
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>>12172905
They couldn't use Clinton again but needed to pick someone as figurehead to the oldguard dynasty after control was wrenched from them unexpectedly.

>> No.12172927

>>12172915
Nope, because their ancestors are not currently alive, most often they are nearly impossible to verify, and nobody in my lineage has ever been remotely wealthy enough to be involved in slavery.
Not to mention that the only thing which will ever free blacks of their current predicament is the expulsion of the Democrat party from US politics, something which no amount of money is going to do.

>> No.12172931

>>12172922
It's called fake news.
NYT doesn't have anything but their words for it.
I'd like some sources please. Are we a science board?

>> No.12172935

>>12172927
You wish. But you're now living in communism.

>> No.12172937
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She looks sad bros. I hope they let her host next stream.

>> No.12172941

>>12172935
Eh, it's much more like a command economic model where the government significantly interferes in the free market via several reactionary tools. Not surprising at all considering how much the original proponents of the CE system, New Deal, and other socialized policies were fond of the fascists and their absolutely pants on head retarded economics.
Granted, the language and symbolism is slipping more towards communism, really it's all just Socialism though, the root idea for both of the West's most debased and degenerate authoritarian regimes.

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>ywn see the air force roundel on a rocket again

i'm not sure space force was worth it bros...

>> No.12172945

>>12172944
Chair force are too fossilized to handle something new like space, time to shake things up.

>> No.12172946

>>12172941
you're wrong.
Expect a lot of change into the red these next few years.
That's until your smarphone can tell when you're horny and shit.

It's gonna look like Google taking over, when they have no control.

>> No.12172948

>>12172894
>Besides, nobody is going to try actual communism in America because the Supreme Court is 6-3

Feel lame for getting in the weeds of this because SPACE FLIGHT

But all I'll say is the constitution doesn't limit the number of justices and congress can add them any time they have the votes. Old status quo democrats will eventually be replaced by democratic socialists. I don't think young liberals are a mixed lot, they are predominantly socialist. They ignore improving economic, health, and QoL metrics so it doesn't look like you can make things "better" to take the wind out of the ideology. Seriously worried that we'll be the communist empire in the next space race desu

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>>12172881
>the racist language of space exploration
https://web.archive.org/web/20200920024442if_/https://theoutline.com/post/5809/the-racist-language-of-space-exploration?zd=1&zi=z3gjtgsq
>Trump explained the Space Force by using the language of Plessy v. Ferguson, the 1896 Supreme Court decision which ruled that racial segregation was constitutional, giving states and municipalities the authority to enact Jim Crow laws.
>“You could argue that the effort to colonize space is likely to involve new forms of inequality: shifts in tax revenues and administrative priorities devoted to that,” said Michael Ralph, a professor of anthropology at NYU. “As opposed to [supporting] other social institutions that benefit people like health care, education, infrastructure.”
>When we think about humanity’s potential to exist on other planets, it’s important to consider who won’t have access to space, in part due to a total lack of concern over these issues by people who are able to access it.
>“Colonization is portrayed as a heroic conquest,” Ralph said. “These practices are framed as central to American identity, essential to governance, politics, and all major social institution. But not depicted as a colonizing that is one caused by violence, displacement, dispossession.”

>> No.12172953

>>12172937
My love for her clashes with my hate for narcissists.

>oh boo hoo grandma died
>JULIE GET THE CAMERA
fuck off

>> No.12172957
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Well, I don't really like Trump.
But One thing I know about Biden: He'll never get to Cape Canaveral when shit is happening.
And that's a big one for Mr T.

>> No.12172959

>>12172937
she ugly

>> No.12172962
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>>12172959
>she ugly

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>>12172952
Anybody writing such cancerous drivel deserves to be lined up and mowed into a ditch.

>> No.12172970

>>12172959
She gives mean head tho

>> No.12172972

>>12172952
>The patriarchal race to colonize Mars is just another example of male entitlement
https://web.archive.org/web/20200730155054/https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/patriarchal-race-colonize-mars-just-another-example-male-entitlement-ncna849681
This one takes the cake based on title alone.

>> No.12172973

How the hell are they gonna test Super-Heavy?
They need at least a trench to deviate things 45°.
How is this not being built right now.

>> No.12172974

>>12172970
Isn't she lesbian, though?

>> No.12172979

>>12172973
Probably gonna use a steal flame deflector like that other one. You just need to carry it into place and fixate to the ground.

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>>12172973
They're building it now.

>> No.12172988

>>12172979
>>12172984
doesn't look like a flame trench/diverter at all.
It barely worked with one engine.
It's just gonna all catch on fire with 3.

>> No.12172989

>>12172974
i can change her ;)

>> No.12172994

>>12172989
Into what, compost?

>> No.12172996

>>12172952
>>12172972
There is no sufficiently painful death for these people.

>> No.12172997

>>12172984
no retard, they're using the other launch mount

>> No.12173003
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>>12172973

They're building a launchpad for the rocket right now.

>> No.12173007

>>12173003
nice water tower cluster

>> No.12173008

>>12172989
Go get 'er, tiger!

>> No.12173010

>>12172989
You can't compete with her SpaceX Dragon™ Strapon dildo

>> No.12173017

>Due to a NASA management error, crewed Skylab mission patches were designed in conflict with the official mission numbering scheme.

>> No.12173023

>>12173017
>Due to a NASA management error...
Describes post-Apollo NASA perfectly.

>> No.12173025

>>12173010
I can and I shall. maybe she will use it on me! 8^)

>> No.12173028
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>>12173017
station launch should have been Skylab 0

>> No.12173030

>>12173017
Will need a cost-plus contract to fix that. Timeline is six months.

>> No.12173034

>>12173023
Skylab was Mir level of fucked up errors, during launch part of it broke apart including solar panel forcing astronauts to make makeshift solar shield.

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>>12173034

>> No.12173043

Skylab was so based

>> No.12173052

>>12173043
>During this EVA, the sudden deployment of the solar panel structure caused both astronauts to be flung from the station's hull, testing their nerves as well as the strength of their safety tethers.

They didn't have thrusters back then.

>> No.12173080

>>12173052
They tested one on Gemini but it ended up being pretty useless.

>> No.12173090

>>12173003
This is a water tower anon, dont fool yourself

>> No.12173093

>>12171523
Definitely not an imposter.

>> No.12173094

>>12173090
You're just a water tower fagela

>> No.12173095

>>12171523
Only issue is the hunchback look, but other then that I think it looks good

>> No.12173106

>>12173003
Elon confirmed this is a water cooler

>> No.12173113

>>12171523
why do they need to make a new suit anyway? just take the apollo eva suits from museums LOL. they did that with SSMEs

>> No.12173132

Is it ok to make a new thread if the image reply limit is reached or do we have to wait until page 10?

>> No.12173138

>>12172952
>But not depicted as a colonizing that is one caused by violence, displacement, dispossession.”

THE SOLAR SYSTEM IS FUCKING EMPTY YOU STUPID LIBERAL FUCKS

>> No.12173140

>>12173132
but you'll kill a "is coffee good for you" thread

>> No.12173153

>>12172350
Nerva isn't good enough to allow reusable single-stage space tug vehicles that can put payloads into Jupiter orbit, and my point was that we DON'T have direct energy conversion magic technology, which means we CAN'T just use electric propulsion with more power. Also, if we had viable fusion then we'd have solved the propulsion problem anyway, no magic power supplies necessary.

>> No.12173156

>>12173140
Good, every other poster on this board is a faggot.
/sfg/ reigns supreme over these lesser nerds.

>> No.12173162

>>12173156
i got a BANGER of a pic i'm just waitib to dump on everyone's heads

>> No.12173172

>>12173170

NEW THREAD

>> No.12173173

>>12173132
Have we hit the image limit? Haven't done that in a long time

>> No.12173175

Just gonna wait till someone makes a new thread so I can say "first for sniffing female astronauts used space diapers"

>> No.12173184

>>12172957
He was there for the original launch date and made sure to come back for the next window after the scrub. That's proof he cares.

>> No.12173215

>>12172988
this is FUD

>> No.12173235

>>12172147
>>12172202
>/sci/ is full of a bunch of 110-120iq dimwits
The word is "midwits", and what I love about /sfg/ is it's mostly cross-boarders, the kind who usually only come for a rocket launch, etc. and then fuck off, or at least I think it still is.
/sci/zos are so bad that you will lose IQ points just by looking at the /sci/ catalog page.
>>12173173
We hit it once about a month ago, when some faggot was trying to make a new thread because page 8 and jannies came down hard.

>> No.12173424

>>12172388
fucking space moth, how do you avoid it going towards the sun?P

>> No.12173472

>>12173424
You gotta get some twin fairies to calm down the moth.