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Math, generally
>ancient wisdom edition
Talks Math

>> No.12157571

i've never seen a visual notation for vectors. anyone aware of any? like, having different style arrows to indicate position vectors, difference vectors, unit vectors, basis vectors, etc.

>> No.12157580
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Previously >>12147606

>> No.12157608

Please help.

If the hypotenus is 22 and |x|=|z/2| then what is the sides then. I am certain Z is a negative Please provide an answer with 2 or 1 decimals.

>> No.12157710

>>12157608
How is someone so confuesed they type shit like this and think it makes sense?

>> No.12157715

>>12157608
>>12157571
we have a brainlet problem

>> No.12157721

>>12157608
>hypotenus
Sounds like the official medical term for when you push your dick back into its socket and it gets stuck

>> No.12157764

>>12157710
>>12157715
>>12157721
Hypotenuse*
So you guys don't know the answer?

>> No.12157789

>>12157764
What the fuck are x and z? Why can z be negative?

>> No.12157795

>>12157764
>So you guys don't know the answer?
I can't make any sense of the question

>> No.12157800

>A binary relation [math]R[/math] between sets [math]M[/math] and [math]N[/math] is defined as a set [eqn]R=\{(m,n)\in M\times N:\varphi{(m,n)}\}[/eqn] such that [math]mRn[/math] is syntactic sugar for [math](m,n)\in R[/math]
>A function [math]f\colon X\to Y[/math] is defined as a binary relation [eqn]f=\{(x,y)\in X\times Y:\varphi{(x,y)}\}[/eqn] such that [math]y=f(x)[/math] is syntactic sugar for [math](x,y)\in f[/math]
>The graph of the function [math]f[/math] is defined as the set
[eqn]\textrm{graph of }f=\{(x,y)\in X\times Y:y=f(x)\}[/eqn] such that [math]y=f(x)[/math] is equivalent to [math](x,y)\in\textrm{graph of }f[/math]
Is it just me or are a function and its graph the exact same object? As in, by definition they're the same thing. They're both subsets of [math]X\times Y[/math] such that if [math](x,y)[/math] is a member then [math]y=f(x)[/math].

>> No.12157813

>>12157789
>>12157795
Mb not good at english.

There is a triangle, the hypotenuse is 22
The two other sides are x and z
x=z/2
How do I find the sides.
t. brainlet .

>> No.12157821

>>12157800
>Is it just me or are a function and its graph the exact same object?
You need to into Hilberts nullstellensatz

>> No.12157830

>>12157813
x^2+z^2=22^2
x^2+(x/2)^2=22^2
Now finish it. Also, how's high school?

>> No.12157832

>>12157813
22^2=x^2+z^2=x^2+(2x)^2=5x^2 so solving for x=sqrt((22^2)/5) and then z=2x

>> No.12157838

>>12157832
>>12157830
Yeh sorry correction (2x)^2 not (x/2)^2
Now I'm the brainlet

>> No.12157844

>>12157800
I don't see a problem with this. I believe those are standard ways of defining relation, function and graph of function.
Just keep in mind that relation is function only if [math]\forall x \in X \exists ! y \in Y (x,y) \in f[/math].

>> No.12157903

>>12157800
yes, but no one thinks of a function as the same as its graph unless they are a set theorist or something
functions act on things. relations don't
functions and graphs have different vocabularies associated with them, which separate them.

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>>12157800
>>12157844
>are a function and its graph the exact same object

"Yes."
But the issue with the question is that you're presuming set theoretical foundations apriori.
In that context, a function (or any other "object" for that matter) will be some set.

Two notes:
Firstly, By Extensionality, your function notion will forget about it's codomain.
E.g. let P(x,y) be y=x^3, let X=Y=N and let Y' be the union of N and the comlpex numbers.
Then with P, X,Y define the same function as X,Y'. That is to say, your notion of function e.g. has no inherent concept of surjection.
(Along the same line, there's then also a whole array of category theoretical notions that do the same job as epimorphisms, in Set)

You say
>a function f:XY is defined as
but "f:XY" here, if you play the set theory game in first order logic, is just some proposition about f.

Secondly (but that's just fyi), I just want to point out that while the definition is perfectly fine, there's the notion of class function that's not captured if, as you seem to do there, you require Y to be a set. E.g. ZF (unlike Z) has Replacement which enables you to map, via a predicate P, far out of the "comfort zone". E.g. you may want to "apply the powerset operation |N| times", and form the union of those sets, to get from the empty set to the infinite set of (hereditarily) finite sets. The function involved there isn't even a set but ZF don' care.

>> No.12157912 [DELETED] 

f : X -> Y

>> No.12157930

Stupid question, but is there some sort of 'roadmap' or checklist I could follow for learning college-level math and above? I'm learning most things in isolation and it's getting a little too dissonant and freeform for my taste.

>> No.12157935

>>12157909
f : X -> Y, the arrow got lost
Also, Replacement and union itself is what then makes the result of the procedure a set, so that example then is a set function a fortiori. But the point is that in set theory, there's no problem of taking a set X and mapping into the universe of all set - even if that mapping is not a set. You can get far with just the predicate P. tl;dr set codomains are a tad overrated

>> No.12157938

>>12157912
>f : X -> Y
based notation

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>>12157938
Lately I actually go with \colon, as in
[math]f\colon X\to Y[/math]
That moves the colon closer to the f. Not entirely sure how I feel about this.

My point about "let f : X -> Y" be a function however is that while this is common language, it barely translates as a formal declaration (in the context where "function" means graph of function). Pic related is one catalog of definitions to go by. This probably amounts to just treating it as sugar for [math]f \in Y^X[/math].

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>>12157938
Lately I actually go with \colon, as in
[math]f\colon X\to Y[/math]
That moves the colon closer to the f. Not entirely sure how I feel about this.

My point about "let f : X -> Y" be a function however is that while this is common language, it barely translates as a formal declaration (in the context where "function" means graph of function). Pic related is one catalog of definitions to go by.

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>>12157930

>> No.12157989

My brain is not working. For f = u + iv, don't we have [math]\Delta f = \Delta u + i\Delta v [/math]? With delta the Laplace operator.

>> No.12158001

>>12157989
duh

>> No.12158009

>>12158001
thank christ. came across some stack exchange thing where instead of using basic linearity he did all of these extra steps without reason. guess we're both retarded.

>> No.12158040

>>12157967
>That moves the colon closer to the f. Not entirely sure how I feel about this.
Feel good that you're doing the right thing. The plain : has binary operator spacing, the same spacing LaTeX uses for + and - and = and so on. It can make sense if you use it to mean "such that" (so I would use plain : for set building), but for [math]f\colon X\to Y[/math] I don't really see the colon as having the same purpose.

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>>12157930

>> No.12158261

plz help me brianlent. Given an irrational x>0 and ε>0, is there a nice way to find naturals p,q that minimize p*q subject to the restraint |p/q - x| < ε?

>> No.12158292

>>12158261
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Best_rational_approximations

>> No.12158351

>>12158292
That minimizes |p/q - x| subject to q<N, it seems reasonable that those are equivalent, but I wasn't able to prove it.

>> No.12158620 [DELETED] 

>>12157800
>(x,y)\in\textrm{graph of }f
>Is it just me or are a function and its graph the exact same object?
yes and it very important to remember this in non ZFC undergraduate maths

>> No.12158621

>>12157800
>(x,y)\in\textrm{graph of }f
>Is it just me or are a function and its graph the exact same object?
yes and it very important to remember this in non undergraduate maths

>> No.12158657

I feel like I no longer like math. What do I do bros?

>> No.12158716

>>12158657
don't do any math for a few weeks

>> No.12158758

>>12158657
get a real hobby, nerd

>> No.12158818

>>12158351
Given a positive rational number [math]q[/math], there are infinitely many ways to write it as fraction [math]q = \frac{m}{n}[/math] where [math]m, n \in \mathbb{N}$. Thus, there is a representation of rational number s.t. product m*n is minimal.
We also have standard way of writing rational numbers (... =30/40 = 15/20 = 6/8 = 3/4). I think that you should be able to prove that minimal element (in the sense of minimizing m*n) is unique (up to a sign).

>> No.12158821

>>12158621
>yes and it very important to remember this in non undergraduate maths
lol why

>> No.12158870

>>12158821
Not him but the open graph theorem maybe?

>> No.12158892

>>12158870
this has nothing to do with it

>> No.12158897
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Good proofs have low complexity.
Dip a nut in water until it's easy to break.
A long chain of simple links could still be complex retarded garbage when viewed from afar. Theories need to be simple as well, not just proofs. It's not OK to hide the complexity of a proof in the unintuitive intricacies of your theories.
Formless mathematical ideas are stirred in the mind until they suddenly arise in your consciousness and then you pick one. Poincaré.
Personal observation: when you force yourself to think in words math comes more easily. Purely symbolic thought is not very conducive for mathematical thought. Also linguistic thought is more easily remembered. Most of my previous thoughts that I remember have been linguistic.

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12158905

Puzzle:
Find polynomials f(x), g(x), h(x) such that the set {(f(n), g(n), h(n)) : n natural} contains infinitely many primitive pythagorean triples.

>> No.12158926

>>12158905
sorry i dont reply to anime posters

>> No.12158928
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>>12158926
Really getting Alice in Wonderland vibes from this response

>> No.12158931
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>>12158926
Understandable. Have a nice day.

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>>12158905
excuse me sir, this is /sqt/ level question
4x^2 - 1, 4x, 4x^2 + 1

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>>12158936
The funny thing about the "level" of the question is that it's not really a feat of the question as a math question, but just a matter if one has seen the question or related exhibition before.

>> No.12158982

What field in mathematics just allows me to laze around and do nothing?

>> No.12158999

>>12158982
Which doesn't, I mean it depends on your advisor.

>> No.12159086

>>12158982
You need to actually do things, bro... You're never going to make it with that attitude

>> No.12159104

Does anyone have the brainlet topologist wojak saying "which hole?"?

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Dumping

1/3

>> No.12159158

>>12159152
delete it, rotate the picture and post again

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>>12159152

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>>12159162
Buy the book or support your local library/university if you enjoy these dumps.

>> No.12159421

>>12157571
Penrose diagramatic notation

>> No.12159584

>>12157800
>syntactic sugar
Like, HFCS?

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>>12159104

>> No.12159750

>>12159726
Please pour some water into the cavity

>> No.12159760

>>12159158
>Can't read sideways

>> No.12159761

A sheaf of rings on a topological space gives you a ringed space. Is there an equivalent for sheaves of groups/abelian groups/modules/...?

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>>12159158
>>12159760
(forgot to attach image)

>> No.12159769

>>12159761
Are you asking what a sheaf of groups is or?

>> No.12159786

>>12159761
Grouped, abelianly grouped, moduled space. Vector spaced space.

>> No.12159788

>>12159761
LOL how scattered must your brain be to ask such a question.

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>>12158936
i also have a file called 1 (16).jpg (from a "4chan folder" torrent on /t/) . . . what is the origin of this naming convention

also i came up with 2x-1, 2x^2 -2n, 2x^2-2n+1 , does this work???

>> No.12159793

>>12159786
Stop.

>> No.12159796

>>12158936
No prove there's no polynomial that goes through ALL the triples.

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Hello friends!

Someone might find this interesting:
https://topology.ima.umn.edu/
>The Applied Algebraic Topology Research Network promotes and enables collaboration in algebraic topology applied to the sciences and engineering by connecting researchers through a virtual institute. Be part of this community and help us grow this network. Our goal is to help bring people together so that they can collaborate.
https://www.youtube.com/c/AppliedAlgebraicTopologyNetwork

>>12159793
How about sheaf of ringsed space?

>> No.12159807

>>12159152
>>12159162
>>12159173
>dumping intro algorithms book
>not even saying which book it is
?? wtf

>> No.12159814

>>12159769
>>12159788
What's wrong with my question?

>> No.12159816

>>12159814
Because the construction of a ringed space is so simple that it should be completely obvious that the rings could be replaced with nearly any other algebraic structure you want.

>> No.12159823

>>12159814
What is your question? Are you asking whether such a thing as a sheaf of groups exists, what to call a space equipped with such a sheaf, or what the definition of a sheaf of groups is?

>> No.12159825

>>12159816
Then why does the term ringed space always appear and not for other types of sheaves?

>> No.12159827

>>12159823
>what to call a space equipped with such a sheaf
This one.

>> No.12159834

>>12159816
More than that, you can use objects from any concrete category. So you can have sheaves of spaces, sheaves of graphs, etc.

>> No.12159835

>>12159825
Cultural reasons. Ringed spaces were where the concept first appeared.

>> No.12159837

>>12159834
>>12159825

>> No.12159844
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>>12159814
I was gonna answer "Anons lack reading comprehension and can't tell that you're asking if there's a name for "space with a sheaf of groups/abelian groups/modules".", but this >>12159825 post completely threw me off.

>> No.12159846

>>12159835
So if I have a topological space with a sheaf of abelian groups on it, how do I call the resulting space?

>> No.12159848

>>12159844
What threw you off?

>> No.12159856

>>12159848
Because if that was the question, I'd have replied to >>12159816 with something like "Yes, is there a name for it tho?".

>> No.12159859

>>12158716
This. Took a semester off of undergrad and when I came back suddenly I loved my studies again. Also unironically stuff like numberphile is a good way to zoom out and remember why you liked math in the first place.

>> No.12159905

>>12158758
What hobbies do you have? Pls don't say "having sex".

>> No.12159906

>>12159859
Learning about beeg numbahs on my ipod, those were the days

>> No.12160038

>>12159846
Why even talk about the space like that? Just refer to the sheaf since it has the information about the space it's on already.

>> No.12160138

>>12160038
>Why even talk about the space like that?
Why talk about ringed spaces?

>> No.12160179

Are there any actual uses of these or is just algebraic masturbation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory

>> No.12160193

>>12160179
wheels man, they keep on rollin'

>> No.12160207

>>12158982
Algebra

Real chads study analysis.

>> No.12160220

>>12160207
You have that backwards.

>> No.12160226

>>12160207
This, no one has ever computed anything using algebra. They just make up gay names for things no one cares about.

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>>12160226
>They just make up gay names
Please don't bully homological algebra.

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>>12160226
>no one has ever computed anything using algebra
?????

>> No.12160313

>>12160288
It's not a computation if you don't even use Hölder, the Fourier transform, or dominated convergence.

>> No.12160315

>>12160252
Okay, I’ll bully you instead. *unzips*

>> No.12160385

>>12160138
I wouldn't, I'd just talk about the sheaf itself.

>> No.12160412

>>12160313
What about Lebesgue measures?

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>>12160288
>Tomasz Kaczynski
lel

>> No.12160499

Anyone have any good resources on calculus of variations that are short? I need to move quickly on a project, so I can't read a whole book or anything (I need to learn how variational inference works). For reference, I have basic math training in applied math (baby Rudin analysis, intro probability, linear algebra, first course in odes).

>> No.12160510

>>12160220
analysis is a masculine, active, domineering mentality. algebra is receptive, feminine, passive in mentality. analysis is for chads, for men.

>> No.12160520

>>12160499
Gelfand & Fomin
It's Dover, so it's super cheap ($12 on Amazon).

>> No.12160613

>>12160510
Is topology like genderqueer or something?

>> No.12160619

>>12159421
interesting...

>> No.12160643

>>12157930
Mate just learn analysis/calculus and pick up whatever else you want to

>> No.12160655

>>12160643
And linear algebra.

>> No.12160757

>>12159791
i don't know
i just downloaded a folder full of anime girls from somewhere, and that's how they were named
>>12159796
assume all primitive triples were given by some [math]f(n)^2 + g(n)^2 = h(n)^2[/math]
h is a polynomial, so h(n) can attain the same value at most [math]\textrm{deg} h[/math] times
so we would have: for any natural c, there are at most [math]\textrm{deg} h[/math] primitive triples [math]a^2 + b^2 = c^2 [/math]
From gaussian integer stuff we know that for primes [math]p_1, \dots p_k[/math] of the form 4m+1, there are exactly 2^k ways to write [math]n = p_1 \cdots p_k[/math] as a sum of two squares. Each of those ways give rise to a primitive solution: if [math]n=a^2 + b^2[/math] wasn't primitive then some q divides both a and b, but then q^2 would divide n, which is not the case.
So overall it's a contradiction because you can take k as big as you wish.

>> No.12160883

>>12160385
>I wouldn't
Algebraic geometers do.
>inb4 akshually I'm an analyst
Opinion discarded.

>> No.12160917

>>12160613
topologists are literally female souls trapped in male bodies, they are what trannies claim to be. geometers are spiritual eunuchs

>> No.12160997

>>12160520
thanks! Looks like a good book.

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Do you own any springer yellow books?
I ordered one for myself a few days ago - on the order page, it said it's "print on-demand". I've heard books made this way are often of poor quality (smudged ink, bad binding etc). Do you have any bad experiences?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloch_sphere
What's mathematically interesting about this construct?

>> No.12161211

>>12161102
I have Galois and Field Theory by Morandi and it's fine.

>> No.12161226

>>12160757
>i just downloaded a folder full of anime girls from somewhere, and that's how they were named
Sad.
But if you're going to post batch downloaded anime girls, you might as well post cute Remilias.
https://mega.nz/folder/gxNgHTKT#qJWC08Jf4O15-nYFSLSF3g

>> No.12161265

>>12157830
More like middle school.

>> No.12161278

>>12161226
i mean i watched the shows and i know the characters i post
it's just that i didn't save the images one by one, i got them from a .zip file instead or some imgur gallery

>> No.12161295

Why is it than when an innocent undergrad wants to learn what dx dy means, retarded geometers start talking about differential forms? Differential forms and their integration make no fucking sense if you don't understand the basic analytical definitions and theorems needed in calculus. That they can be used to abuse notation completely hides the real meaning of objects like dx, and if you actually understand what is to integrate and differentiate you see why differentials work. Jesus christ why is that people who have taken analysis still don't know how to prove separation of variables method for ODEs lmao.

>> No.12161327

>>12161295
>start talking about differential forms?
Because that's where the answer to their question lies.

>> No.12161345

>>12161327
No you retard, just because dx is used as notation in differential forms, that means this is what is meant when you solve differential equations.

>> No.12161369

Is [math] G_1 * G_2 / (H_1 * H_2) \cong G_1/H_1 * G_2\H_2[/math] where * is the free product and [math]H_1,H_2[/math] is a norma normal subgroup of [math]G_1, G_2[/math] respectively? I'm thinking yes but I'm having trouble proving it.

>> No.12161387

>>12161369
Use the universal property of the coproduct.

>> No.12161388

>>12160854
Do you know why /mg/?

>> No.12161432

>>12161387
So I have my diagram for the universal property of the coproduct in the context of this problem (which is basically just the universal property diagram for the product with all the arrows reversed). My main question is if I have [math]\pi_1: G_1\to G_1/H_1[/math] and [math]\pi_2: G_2 \to G_2/H_2[/math], do I have the morphisms [math]\pi^{-1}_i: G_i/H_i \to G_i[/math]. If that is the case, then I think it pretty much follows immediately that there is a unique morphism from [math]G_1/H_1 * G_2/H_2 \to G_1*G_2[/math], right?

>> No.12161441

>>12161432
No, the coproduct has inclusions. Each of the groups G_1 and G_2 have a specified embedding in their coproduct. It is with respect to these maps that you have a universal morphism. They're not just the inverse maps of the projections, which typically don't exist anyway since the projection usually has a kernel.

>> No.12161444

>>12159761
No, you just talk about a sheaf of blah on X.

>> No.12161449

So nobody can tell me why the analogue of ringed space for sheaves of groups doesn't exist?

>> No.12161450

>>12161388
I can make a system that's incomplete and inconsistent easily.
Take zfc which is incomplete, and also have an axiom that says there exists X such that X is an element of X.
You now have a system that's incomplete and inconsistent

>> No.12161459

>>12161449
We told you already, it's just a quirk of language due to the circumstances in which sheaves were first studied. Do you have some other issue or do you not understand that?

>> No.12161461

>>12161449
Because abelianed/grouped/moduled space sounds funny.

>> No.12161464

>>12161388
Gödel assumes Con(ZFC) for this reason.

>> No.12161465

>>12161450
>You now have a system that's incomplete
Why is it incomplete? It's clearly inconsistent, but I don't see why it's incomplete.

>> No.12161492

>>12161465
Continuum hypothesis for example

>> No.12161497

>>12161492
>what is ekusplojon

>> No.12161499

>>12161464
That notation means ZFC is consisten?

>> No.12161508

>>12161499
yah

>> No.12161521

>>12161497
Good question.

>> No.12161522

>>12161497
As people with intuition on what's true and false in a system it would seem like we have a falsehood being taken as true, and thus you can use implications to prove anything. But within the actual system itself, it sees the statement only as true

>> No.12161539

>>12161441
Yes I get that there are inclusions in the diagram but I believe you need to use the fact that the inclusion composed with the inverse projection gives us the conditions necessary to use the universal property of the coproduct.

>> No.12161550

>>12161539
You don't use the inverse of the projection. It's not even a function, much less a homomorphism.

>> No.12161553

>>12161522
I typed this like a retard.
So explosion happens if you prove a single proposition to be both true and false. If A is that statement then obviously A=>B is true for any B because A is false, and obviously that would mean B is true cause A is also true.
I'll admit that I've been retarded and it doesn't quite work in ZFC but it's possible to have a system where for example A and ~A are both true, but not have it be the case that A is both true and false.
I think the only thing you'd need to reach this point is to reject LEM

>> No.12161660
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12161660

Der Grund fur die leere Energie

Annehmen, es gibt eine Box um die Welte zur Zeit des Urknalls. Die Box ist undurchlassig. So, die Welte konnte nicht entfalten, es wurde keine Planeten, Sterne, Menschen geben.

Energie bewegt energie. Das Proto-Universum enthielt alle Energie. Wann das Proto-Universum explodierte, ein Teil der Energie wurde Bewegung, der andere Teil wurde Materie. Die undurchlassig Box hat genug potenzielle Energie, um die kinetische Energie des Universums aufzeheben.
Leere rettet das Universum! Wenn leere ware nicht vorhanden, das Universum wurde kein Leere haben, also eine Box oder ein Energiesegen. Seit die Leere logisch negiert/ersetzt ein negatives Feld oder ein positives Feld, wir *konnten* annehmen die Leere physisch negiert die Felder, mit gleich Energie. Seit es ist ungewiss welche Feld is negiert, es ist ungewiss ob die Leere hat positiv oder negativ Energie, also es schwankt (wie Quanten).

Die prinzip ideen sind dass logisch negiert physich negiert gleich, die Erganzung die Leere enthalt alles (enthalt Gegensatz), und logisch Gegensatz Quantenfluktuationen gleich.

>> No.12161666

>>12161508
Wait so if ZFC is inconsistent does that mean Gödel's theorems are wrong?

>> No.12161690

For n-vectors u and v, why is it that uv*uv* = v*uuv*?

>> No.12161740

>>12161660
Typing in languages other than English outside of /int/ is a bannable offense.

>> No.12161872

>>12161740
>burgers seeth this much when someone doesn't speak their shitty languange
kys

>> No.12161946

Please help me.

If the size of set A is |A| = n, then

[math]|\{x \epsilon P(A): |X| \leq 1\}| = n + 1[/math]

This is my solution so far:

[math]
|x \epsilon P(A)| = | \{ \emptyset, \{\emptyset\}, \{ A_1, A_2, ..., A_n \} \}| = | \{ \emptyset, \{ \emptyset \} \} | + n = 0 + 1 + n = n + 1
[/math]

I'm not sure if I'm right, so it would be great if someone could correct me.

>> No.12161954

>>12161946
The set containing all the A_i doesn't have size ≤1...

>> No.12161964

>>12157813
Go back to Khan Academy

>> No.12161969

>>12161954
This question was from a textbook and the answer happens to be that. I'm just wondering if that was correct, so I tried to prove it (which is the solution I posted above). I do get where you are coming from, so if the textbook is incorrect, what is the right answer? Would it just be 1? What if set A contains other elements (excluding the empty sets) whose size is less than or equal to 1? How else would I show that?

>> No.12161988

>>12161969
Throw that book out and get a new one, everything so far has been fucked. Do you know what the powerset of a set is?

>> No.12162017

>>12161954
That's not what it says brainlet. It's the set of the subsets that are less than or equal to one, in other words, the set of singletons and the empty set

>> No.12162018

>>12161872
>posting on an international forum in a thread which needs understanding the others in order to be effective using a language that is not the #1 used language on such forum is peak cringe, you kys

>> No.12162067

Would you guys say this is in the top 10 theorems of all time?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heine%E2%80%93Borel_theorem

>> No.12162124

>>12162067
Not even close, all it does is show that compactness is a valid generalization of closed and bounded sets, which isn't too crazy since that's the whole point of the definition to begin with

>> No.12162165

>>12161295
>>12161327
>>12161345
great point. it's also a terrible fucking answer because the way one defines integration of forms is by pulling back in coordinates and integrating as usual on R^n, then summing with a partition of unity. so it literally doesn't answer the question at all. it's complete and utter horseshit.
the answer should always be motivated by measure theory.

>> No.12162168

>>12161690
it's clearly true

>> No.12162170

>>12161539
there is no projection from a free product onto one of the factors. what the fuck are you talking about? are you like removing all the terms from the other factor and then multiplying what remains or something? is that even a homomorphism? i think it is. no one does that.

>> No.12162178

>>12161690
because u(v*u) = (v*u)u since the thing in parenthesis is 1x1

>> No.12162187

>>12162067
it's a very nice proof but like other anon said it's not surprising
one of the nicest proofs though for sure

>> No.12162188

I'm trying to show that a simple function is Lebesgue integrable using measurable partitions. I picked the partition used in a canonical representation, but I can't see who [math]M_i[/math] and [math]m_i[/math] for [math]U[f,P][/math] and [math]L[f,P][/math] should be. I think they have to be [math]a_k[/math], but I'm not sure if this correct.

>> No.12162246

>>12162188
are M_i and m_i meant to be the sup and inf of the function over each partition? then yes, they'd be the value of the function on that set since it's constant there.
I mean you should probably tell us what your notation means instead of just writing letters and expecting people to figure them out.

>> No.12162273

>>12162246
Yeah. I chose [math]P=\{E_i\}^{n}_{i=1}[/math] and
[eqn]M_i=\sup_{x\in E_i} f(x)[/eqn][eqn]m_i=\inf_{x\in E_i} f(x)[/eqn]
Sorry, I thought it was standard notation.

>> No.12162302

Is the set [math]\mathcal{A} = \{\frac{1}{n} + \frac{1}{m} : n,m \in \mathbb{N}, n \neq m \} \cup \{0\}[/math] compact?

>> No.12162304

>>12162302
What have you tried?

>> No.12162306

>>12162273
Perhaps it's standard notation for Riemann integration. Pretty sure the way most people define Lebesgue integration is by defining what the Lebesgue integral of such a simple function is (simply sum of a_i * measure of E_i) and then taking Cauchy sequences of simple functions for the L^1 norm. These Cauchy sequences may be represented by functions which are the pointwise almost everywhere limits. then you prove many such reasonable functions are limits of Cauchy sequences of simple functions.

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>>12162302
Do you think it's closed? It is a subset of [0, 2], which is compact, so it is itself compact iff closed.

>> No.12162313

>>12162302
Is 1 a limit point of the set?
Is 1 in the set?

>> No.12162368

>>12162313
Based hand holder

>> No.12162373

>>12162306
The book I'm using first uses a definition similar to Riemman integral, but instead of partitioning an interval in subintervals it partitions the interval in Lebesgue measurable subsets and for the sums it uses the measure of each subset. Right now I'm reaching the part that shows both definitions are equivalent soon.

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>ctrl+f "indeed,"
>482 results

>> No.12162569

>>12162018
Lmao shut up amerifat, monolingual brainlet fuck

>> No.12162581

>>12162569
Cope.

>> No.12162587

>>12162464
Insneed

>> No.12162605

>>12162587
[math]\varsigma \eta \epsilon \epsilon \delta[/math]

>> No.12162606 [DELETED] 

>>12157556
How do you ask for an infinite series for a closed form expression? For example, you can ask for the closed form of an infinite series, but how about the converse?

>> No.12162607

>>12162606
wut

>> No.12162676

My uni doesnt even have a real or complex analysis course.
Am I fucked?

>> No.12162684

>>12162676
yes

>> No.12162689

Is it normal to forget things you studied after a few months?

>> No.12162696

>>12162676
Yes.

>> No.12162697

>>12162689
Yeah it's like speaking a language. You don't use it you lose it. Or the more complicated parts anyway. Talk to an emeritus professor some time. They can tell you all about the state of their field 30 years ago, but many of the details are lost to them.

>> No.12162709

>>12162697
>Raised bilingual
>Don't remember the language anymore
Feels bad.

>> No.12162710

>>12162689
no, you are weird and dumb

>> No.12162740

>>12162684
>>12162696
Is there anything I can do?

>> No.12162742

>>12162740
What are you studying?

>> No.12162744

>>12162740
What are your goals? I find it borderline impossible to believe that a university offering a degree in mathematics (pure or applied) doesn't offer classes in analysis.

>> No.12162843

>>12161172
literally anything about spin 2

>> No.12162853
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>>12162740
>>12162744
this. are you at a 2 year school or something? if so, just take as much math as you can this semester and look to transfer for next fall (meaning, apply now -- the deadlines are soon as hell iirc).

>> No.12162957

>>12162569
>implying
I'm from Hungary you utter disgrace

>> No.12162962

>>12162957
How hard was it to learn English? The only reason I asked is because all of the Uralic languages are ranked as level 4 (with 5 being the hardest) for difficulty of native English speakers learning.

>> No.12163011

>>12162962
English is super easy to learn. It's such a simple language.
t. another Uralic

>> No.12163051

>>12163011
Based and Finnpilled.

>> No.12163066
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>>12163051
Yes.

>> No.12163090
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>>12163066

>> No.12163104

>>12163090
what math do I need to study before learning Finnish?

>> No.12163118

>nonassociative algebras can be associative, but nonnegative integers cannot be negative
Increasingly tempted to ditch English and do math in a language with better support for agglutinative definitions...

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>>12163090
Just imagine having to write essays with a minimum word count back in school with a huge load of information packed into one word like for example
>koirastanikokaan
>even out of my dog?
500 words was like half of the Bible.

>>12163104
Lindelöf spaces.

>> No.12163454

>>12161295
>>12162165
pretend I'm an innocent undergrad and tell me what does the dx and dy mean in integration and ODE. I'm very curious about your answer.

>> No.12163571

>>12157556
Since Sines and Cosines come form the idea, that Homoticies conserve ratios, sholdn't there be generalize formula of sine for any two arbitrary angles?

>> No.12163577

>>12162373
I see. That seems like it works completely the same as the typical way of defining the Lebesgue integral, and it probably illuminates a lot more clearly why continuous functions have the same result when you integrate with one or the other on compact sets. But it's also nice to define it the other way because in the process you prove that the space L^1 is complete (as an abstract metric space completion of the simple functions) and that the simple functions are a dense subspace (this is extremely useful for many many proofs where it's essentially obvious for simple functions and then you can take limits).

>> No.12163593

>>12163571
*Homotheties

>> No.12163602

>>12161690
uwu

>> No.12163606

>>12162962
>>12162957
100% agreed, especially consuming English media through one's childhood makes it easy.

>> No.12163612

>>12163454
Hmmm, okay. I wasn't thinking about ODE and obviously measures have nothing to do with ODE (unless we want to start talking Radon Nikodym theorem, which I don't). So here's an attempt:

The dx in integration and the dx in differentiation sound like they mean the same thing, an infinitessimal change in x. But there isn't any such thing as an infinitessimal change in x, that's just a useful way to think about it.
In both of these cases, the dx is just notation. There's no such thing as dx outside of d/dx, or dx outside of integral dx. It would be like you writing a left parenthesis without a right parenthesis, or a fraction with nothing in the numerator. The dx doesn't stand on it's own, it's just part of the notation. Why is it there? Because it fills in the spot of a Delta x, which does stand on its own but goes away after we take a limit.

So when people think of derivatives like a ratio of a small chance in f over a small change in x, they're thinking about derivatives in a useful way but not in a perfectly true way. Similarly, when they think of integrals as a sum of quantities f(x) dx, they're thinking about integrals in a useful way but not in a true way. Sometimes in math, it's fine to think about things in not quite the exact way you're supposed to think about them (as long as you prove that the changes in your perspective are justified.)

Let's do that now in a really important case, separation of variables for ODE. Why is it that people can just "multiply both sides by dx" in an ODE, when I just said that dx isn't actually a thing, it's just part of two pieces of notation? This is called an "abuse of notation." It's abuse because it doesn't really make any sense from a mathematical perspective. But it still works as long as we integrate afterwards. Let's see why.
(Cont)

>> No.12163628

>>12163454
>>12163612
Say you have an ODE [math] \frac{dy}{dx} = f(y)g(x) [/math]. This is the sort of ODE where we want to use seperation of variables.
Here's what you would do if you were using the abuse of notation and you treated dx and dy like they're actually things, and not just symbols in the notation for a derivative.
[eqn] \frac{1}{f(y)} \, dy = g(x) \, dx \quad \implies \quad \int \frac{1}{f(y)} \, dy = \int g(x) \, dx [/eqn]
Here's what you're actually allowed to do, if we make use of the substitution [math] u = y(x) [/math]:
[eqn] \frac{1}{f(y(x))} \frac{dy}{dx} = g(x) \quad \implies \quad \int \frac{1}{f(y(x))} \frac{dy}{dx} \, dx = \int g(x) \, dx \quad \implies \quad \int \frac{1}{f(u)} \, du = \int g(x) \, dx [/eqn]
After we integrate and change back from u to y, we get the same thing as we did when we abused notation.
So the abuse of notation hides that we need to do a substitution in our integral. But it still "works" even though it doesn't make mathematical sense. So people do it.
You might notice we did a substitution, where people usually also abuse notation and write something like [math] du = \frac{dy}{dx} dx [/math]. This is another thing that you can justify, just by checking what substitution actually does and that it's the same as what you get from pretending du and dx are anything but meaningless notational symbols.

>> No.12163642

>>12163612
>>12163628
You know after I wrote this I'm thinking about how I used a similar argument to explain what dx and dy were to a physicist a week or so back and he just kept saying the same "I think it's just an infinitessimal change in x" bullshit over and over again to me. Why is it that when a mathematician explains something to a physics undergrad, the physics undergrad takes it upon himself to talk back and tell the mathematician what he thinks it REALLY is? Math undergrads don't talk like that and take the time to think through why their preconceptions might be built on shoddy foundations. I certainly do not mind being corrected if it's for a legitimate reason, especially because the correction is often warranted, but even if the correction is misguided. But when someone can't get out of their extremely warped perspective of how mathematics works and acts like you're stupid for caring about this stuff, it's so fucking annoying.

>> No.12163722
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vec3 mathMarch(vec3 startPos; vec3 dir)
{
vec3 pos = startPos;
for (int i = 0; i < MAX_STEPS; i++)
{
float dist = sdf_sphere(pos);
pos += dist*dir;
}
}


Hi /sci/ dying in the ass here trying to notate this mathematically. Not sure how to throw it in a sigma and can't think of way to re-write it recursively. Any tips?

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>>12163722
Sorry I'm a /g/ brainlet, here it is formatted.

>> No.12163739

>>12163612
differential forms give meaning to dx outside of integration, they make dy/dx into a true ratio. and they do it in a way which corresponds to the original intuition. so why is this worse answer than "it's just notation"?

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>>12162464
I love using indeed, why the face?

>> No.12163747

>>12163571
>generalize formula of sine for any two arbitrary angles

You mean the Law of sines and cosines? loom it up retard.

>> No.12163792
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>>12163730
I'd think

>>12163730
[math] f^{\sf MAXSTEPS}({\sf startPose}) [/math]

where
[math] f^k({\sf pos}) := {\sf pos} + {\sf dir}\cdot {\sf sdfSphere}\left(f^{k-1}({\sf pos}) \right) [/math]
and
[math] f^0({\sf pos}) := {\sf pos} [/math]

but do a quick implementation like that to confirm

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12163796

Suppose you have a graded ring [math]B[/math]. Is it required that the ring is non-empty in every degree?

For example, can I assume there exists an element [math]f\in B_1[/math]?

I'm asking because I'm reading this book that does not make any assumptions on the graded ring (other than it is an algebra over a field, but I don't think it's relevant here) and he's picking some element from [math]B_1[/math] for an argument. When reading Hartshorne, I think he always used to make some extra strong assumption like the irrelevant ideal [math]B_+[/math] is generated by [math]B_1[/math] so it wasn't be ambiguous, but he also used that property for other things (like finding an open cover with certain properties)

>> No.12163813

actually, maybe better to write

[math] f({\sf MAXSTEPS}, {\sf startPose}) [/math]

where

[math] f(k, {\sf pos}) := {\sf pos} + {\sf {min}}(k, 1) \cdot {\sf dir}\cdot {\sf sdfSphere}\left(f(k-1, {\sf pos}) \right) [/math]

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>>12157556
To those who know about it, what does /mg/ think about open individualism?
Pic Unrelated

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>>12163796
>Is it required that the ring is non-empty in every degree?
Non-empty, yes, but not non-trivial. Take the cohomology ring [math]H^*(\mathbb{Z} /p\mathbb{Z}; \mathbb{Z})[/math] for your favourite prime [math]p[/math]. Here, [math]H^n(\mathbb{Z} /p\mathbb{Z}; \mathbb{Z})=0[/math] for [math]n[/math] odd, [math]H^n(\mathbb{Z} /p\mathbb{Z}; \mathbb{Z}) \cong \mathbb{Z}/p \mathbb{Z}[/math] for [math]n>0[/math], and [math]H^0(\mathbb{Z} /p\mathbb{Z}; \mathbb{Z}) \cong \mathbb{Z}[/math]. It is a graded ring.

>> No.12163842

>>12163832
Right, I forgot about 0. Does that mean the book is actually needs a stronger assumption?

>> No.12163846

>>12163792
>>12163813
sf looks hot there

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>>12163796
>>12163842
IIRC for a homogenous algebra you insist that the zero component of the gradation be just the base ring.

>> No.12163858

>>12163849
Aaaaaaand I was completely wrong.
https://perso.univ-st-etienne.fr/rberger/homog.pdf

>> No.12163870

>>12163849
>>12163858
Well in the case of a graded algebra over a field, you're going to want the field to have degree 0, otherwise the gradation will be trivial

>> No.12163879

>>12163870
Yes, but there's a difference between asking for the field to have degree zero and asking for the degree zero component to be just the field (as in i.e. [math]k[x][/math]).

>> No.12163886

>>12163879
Ah I thought you meant more like [math]A\subseteq B_0[/math] for some graded ring [math]B[/math] over [math]A[/math]

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>>12163792
Thank you so much based Emma poster, this looks perfect

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>>12163849
>>12163858
From Liu hisself.
Either the homogeneous algebra has non-trivial grade one elements, or it's a field.
If it's a field, Spec and Proj are empty and have minus infinite dimension, I think, so the formula still works.

>> No.12164041

>>12158905
Have to agree with >>12158936 on this, the two parameter parametrisation of the primitive triples is well known, just fix one of the parameters

>> No.12164082

>>12162676
yes

>> No.12164255

>>12163612
>>12163628
Good posts. Thanks.

>> No.12164263

When [math]\mu[/math] is a distribution function for random variable X, what do we mean by [math]Ef(X)=\int f(y)\mu(dy)[/math] when f measurable? I really don't understand this notation [math]\mu(dy)[/math]. Anybody here know?

>> No.12164278

>>12164263
it means the same thing as [math]d \mu[/math]

>> No.12164279

What is the endgame of probability theory? I don't know of any prized open problems...

>> No.12164288

>>12164278
Ah okay thank you <3

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>>12164279
most every mathematician is just trying to advance the field they're interested in; not everyone has to be working on the hottest shit . . .

>> No.12164583

>>12164353
yea but I feel like algebra and topology have so many great ideas and unifying programs going on.

>> No.12164640

>>12163739
It doesn't, it just borrows notation.

>> No.12164687

>>12161102
I do. It's orange and the ink is a bit smudgy.

>> No.12164751

N E W
N I K O L A J
V I D E O

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>>12162689
Yes, but at the same time remember that your next exposure to the material will stick a lot quicker/hard.
Look up the book "make it stick". It's about teaching and learning and it's very good.

>> No.12164861

>>12164751
hello nikolaj when are you going to have cute grills in your videos like in your python videos

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>>12164861
That wasn't me. I can invite her back on, but I haven't done anything related to mathematical finance in a while.

>>12164751
Annoying. But this was more fun than expected
https://youtu.be/yo1uj9a-Ig8

>> No.12165050

>>12164916
make a video on internal set theory.

>> No.12165079

>>12164916
who is nikolaj is just a fancy 4chan memer on youtube? (ye, i don't want to spend 1h on a video)

>> No.12165113

>>12164916
You seem to have lost weight. Good job.

>> No.12165116
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>>12164916
Nice video, Bogulyubov.
>if the power set of the set of all sets were equal to the set of all sets
Can you actually prove it like that in ZFC?
As far as I know (not far at all), ZFC doesn't actually rule out urelements, so if we had one like [math]a[/math], then [math]\{ a \}[/math] would be in the set of all sets, but I can't see a reason for it to be in the power set (since [math]a[/math] isn't a set, and thus not a subset of the set of all sets).

>> No.12165117

Which are some mathematical branches with interesting notation?

>> No.12165121
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>>12165117
Planar algebra

>> No.12165128

>>12165116
Never mind, I'm wrong, Extensionality screws it up.

>> No.12165149

>>12165079
Yeah it looks like he's basically some fag who spams his videos in every thread.

>> No.12165178

>>12157556
Nice ive made molecules in the shape of 14 for research project. Theyre called rotaxanes and are pretty nifty things.

>> No.12165200

So any continuos compact curve can be uniformly approximated by polygonal. What are the typical generalizations of this theorem to higher dimensions?

>> No.12165215

How many people in this general are published

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>>12165116
What I had in mind is that if [math] {\mathcal P}V \subseteq V [/math], then the map given by just identity on [math]{\mathcal P}V[/math] while mapping the rest to e.g. the empty set would be a surjection.

>>12165117
I think I've only ever seen varpi [math] \varpi [/math] in plain number theory.

>> No.12165261 [DELETED] 

A surjection [math]V\to {\mathcal P}V[/math], that is.
So we find [math]V[/math] has a new set (whatever that new set may hold).

>> No.12165264

A surjection [math]V\to {\mathcal P}V[/math], that is.
So we find [math]{\mathcal P}V[/math] holds some set that wasn't in [math]V[/math] (whatever that new set may hold).

>> No.12165341

>>12164640
>It doesn't
???

>> No.12165345

>>12165200
any smooth manifold can be triangulated

>> No.12165399

>>12165249
Ah, I see. That works.

>> No.12165414

What do you guys think of the idea of "logical independence"? Basically, you can say that
>(x implies y) is false and
>(not x implies y) is false and
>(x implies not y) is false and
>(not x implies not y) is false
Then x and y are independent. You may note the fact that whether or not x is true, there are cases where y is true and cases where y is false. From this we see that x is never capable of determining y's truth value, all combinations of their truth values are possible, and one can be varied freely without contradicting the other.

However, this doesn't hold the same sort of independence as a universe such as one equipped solely with one ordered pair (x,y) where x and y are independent, because the former contains the restriction that even if all possible combinations of x and y's truth value are possible, one truth value of x may correspond with a amount of states where y can have a given truth value, meanwhile, in the ordered pair universe, x and y have equivalent cardinality of free states (R^1).

>> No.12165431
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>>12165414
I can't interpret either of this sentences.
Are you defining a new logic
If "implies" is material implication, then "not x implies y" is equivalent to "x or y", so if this is false, both are already false.
There's logics that avoid the so called paradoxes of material implication, see e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_logic

It should be clear to you that nobdy but possibly you could understand the part where you start speaking of
>cardinality of free states (R^1).
Also, I'd not pull an Immanuel Kant and write a paragraph long sentence.

>> No.12165457

>>12165414
I mean it's possible if they're predicates dependent on x for example and each statement is quantified over all of x but it's really not that special

>> No.12165479

>>12165431
>not x implies y
I take this to mean that there are cases where x is true and y is false
>cardinality of free states (R^1)
I just meant that x and y can both vary freely over the reals, they have the same range or cardinality if you want to think in terms of alephs

>> No.12165484

I was reading a complex functions book and the author said (in context of the riemann sphere) that points with norm |1/e| are in the e neighborhood of infinity. Is this motivated or convention?

>> No.12165533

>>12165484
The motivation is that it's analogous to the relationship between neighborhoods of 0 or 1 in [0,1] and neighborhoods of positive and negative infinity in the extended reals. It just extends the analogy to complex

>> No.12165593

I never thought I would become interested in science or maths and here I am so I looked up lectures on youtube on
So I watched an intro to linear algebra and I had to pause some 6 minutes into it for like 10 minutes to understand what was said and rewatch it several times and from there I could follow for another 10 minutes when I could not follow anymore at all
Is this normal or am I already a lost cause?

>> No.12165609

>>12165593
Just give up now. There is no happiness for midwits in mathematics.

>> No.12165610

>>12165533
From proofwikie:
>A neighborhood of +∞ is a subset of the set of real numbers R wich contains an interval (a,+∞) for some a∈R.
Wouldn't the proper analogy be then that the point with norm 1/e is in the 1/e neighborhood -- isn't calling it an "e" neighborhood a weird convention? Or does it relate to the fact that 1/e has a close position to the origin along the sphere and plane

>> No.12165611

>>12165593
ANon. You are learning a brand new thing. Just be patient. How long did it take you to learn to potty train? To learn English as a baby? Years.

>>12165609
Weakling

>> No.12165621

>>12165593
It might be a shit video. Or you're bad at math. Or somewhere in between. (Or you'd learn better from text than videos; not everyone's visual. Also, what is your notetaking methodology? You're not just sitting there listening, are you?)
Try some more videos. On the one hand, incompetence in math won't get you far; on the other hand, math is hard and I have a low opinion of most youtube tutorial content creators.

>> No.12165625

Are French, English, and German the only languages you need to know for math?

>> No.12165638

>>12165621
It was an actual university lecture and I was taking notes until the point where I did not understand anymore, I tried writing down what I did not understand but the further I got the less I knew what I did not even understand
I don't know if I am bad at maths, in school I never learned for it and passed anyway albeit with mediocre grades and now I haven't taken a maths class in five years and only suddenly now I got an interest in science and wanted to dig deeper

>>12165611
Well, the question is should I keep trying? After just one lecture I feel incredibly stupid for not understanding almost anything

>> No.12165639

Let X_1, ..., X_n be iid random variables with common distribution exp(t). Let m_n = min{X_1,..,X_n} and let w_f = inf {x: F(x)>0}, how do I show that m_n converges to w_f in L_p for all p>0? I've already found the distribution of the minimum and I know that it converges almost surely

>> No.12165663

>>12165625
Russian. You would be better served by just learning German and Russian if you're a native English speaker.

>> No.12165685

Can someone review this proof of the Cantor set having measure zero for me?

Consider the sets $C_n$ used in the construction of the Cantor set $C$. We choose some $\epsilon > 0$ and construct open sets $O_n$ s.t. if $x \in C_n$, then $(x - \epsilon/n, x + \epsilon/n) \in O_n$. Note that $\forall n, C \subseteq O_n$. Since $\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} |O_n| = 0$, we have that the Cantor set has measure zero.

>> No.12165697

>>12165685
Fuck, here's a better one:

Consider the sets [math]C_n[/math] used in the construction of the Cantor set [math]C[/math]. We choose some [math]\epsilon > 0[/math] and construct open sets [math]O_n[/math] s.t. if [math]x \in C_n[/math], then [math](x - \epsilon/n, x + \epsilon/n) \in O_n[/math]. Note that [math]\forall n, C \subseteq O_n[/math]. Since [math]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} |O_n| = 0[/math], we have that the Cantor set has measure zero.

>> No.12165699

>>12165697
That doesn't look inline to me, what did I do wrong?

Does the proof read well? Is it right? Does it miss anything important?

>> No.12165724

>>12165611
Midwit coper.

>> No.12165729

>>12165699
>doesn't look inline to me
What do you mean? It's displaying normally and not line breaking.

>> No.12165739

>>12165638
It's a part of learning to not understand, try using a couple different resources for a topic or just ask questions here

>> No.12165745

>>12165729
For me it is. Weird.

>> No.12165751

>>12165745
Check your adblocker and make sure you aren't posting from meme apps like Kuroba.
>do adblockers really
Adblockers really. uMatrix in particular.

>> No.12165786

>>12165663
How hard is German to learn as a native English speaker?

>> No.12165792

>>12165786
meh, it's not bad

>> No.12165953

>>12165345
But can it be approximated uniformly by such triangulation?

>> No.12165993

>>12165751
Nah, I'm using Safari with no adblocks.

>>12165685
>>12165697
Bump.

>> No.12166013

>>12165993
Looks inline to me and I'm using safari but I haven't updated yet

>> No.12166067

>really bad at analysis

Please help. What am I missing? The proofs are nothing like what I've done before.

>> No.12166074

>>12166067
Post examples.

>> No.12166084

>>12165993
>>12166013
go back
>>12166067
>proof class didn't prepare brainlet for analysis
>w-what do i do!????
you hate to see it

>> No.12166092

>>12166084
>go back
To?

>> No.12166165

>>12166074
Proving the universal property of Cantor sets. I can get by in class just fine, but the method of proofs isn't something that's coming to me through independent thought like with other math classes. I feel like I'm missing some key ingredient to help me think in terms of analysis.

>> No.12166200

>>12163743
Your pic but unironically

>> No.12166240
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>>12166200
same

>> No.12166427

What's the highest IQ group?

>> No.12166455

>>12166427
Integers mod 2, no question about it

>> No.12166471

>>12166455
This.

>> No.12166490

>>12166427
lie groups

>> No.12166491

>>12166067
Read book of proof

>> No.12166492

>>12164353
Don't post nigger garbage like that ever again.

>> No.12166495

>>12164751
Nikolaj deserves to die in agony

>> No.12166497

>>12163104
combinatorics

>> No.12166501

>>12157988
Horrible list

>> No.12166506

>>12160207
True

>> No.12166507

>>12160315
kys

>> No.12166508

>>12165639
Go back to the textbook retard

>> No.12166522

>>12166495
Why?

>> No.12166594
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12166594

I don't know if anybody will actually read through pic related but why can you assert that there are q and r such that r is less than |c|/2.
I thought Euclidean division could only show that it's less than |c|

>> No.12166595

>>12163104
Function theory.

>> No.12166600

>>12166594
Also the bottom half is just case work for different values of c so you don't have to read that I just included the whole proof in the pic

>> No.12166618

>>12157800
Functions as a concept are older than sets. Also, keep in mind that in some contexts it is often convenient to call the "same"(in the sense that f(x)=g(x) when ever f and g are both defined at x) functions the same name even if their domains or targets are different

>> No.12166658

>>12163739
it's a worse answer for an undergrad in a calculus course 100%.
most of them haven't even taken linear algebra so how is the concept of a differential form even supposed to be coherent to them?
not to mention the concept of a tangent space is something they only develop in calculus truly
so I would say for most undergrads there's no reason to bring the full wait of differential forms to bear on this question unless they have a serious interest in mathematics

>> No.12166691

>>12166658
>unless they have a serious interest in mathematics
You and I both know 90% of students in Calc I have no interest in math and are just there out of obligation to a degree plan.

>> No.12166704

>>12157930
Follow a schools schedule dumb ass find their catalog moron

>> No.12166708

>>12158897
Can you give an example of thinking in words how else does one think?

>> No.12166714

>>12166594
(ay - 19bx)/c is just a real number
you can always write a real number as [math]q + r[/math] where q is integer, and [math]|r| \leq 1/2[/math]

>> No.12166716

>>12161102
Buy it from the German website

>> No.12166751
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12166751

Anyone read this? Worth a read for somebody looking to get into higher mathematics with a highschool level education?

>> No.12166768
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>>12166708
You think in words when you consciously vocalize your thoughts.
Most of the thoughts I have are not in words, they come in symbols, shapes and vague notions that are hard to describe. In order for me to convert them to words it takes conscious effort and energy.
Imagine thinking about going to the kitchen to eat. For me, just thinking about it is very different than forming the sentence in my mind "I want to go to the kitchen to eat".
Isn't it the same for you?

>> No.12166778

>>12166751
Yes it's the first book any math major should read. You can't understand proofs without formal logic.

>> No.12166782

>>12166751
Also remember to do all of the exercises.

>> No.12166791

>>12165685
>>12165697
Wtf Mathbros, how do you understand this shit? Looks like a magic spell ya fookin wizards.

>> No.12166797

>>12166791
>how do you understand this shit?
By reading it.

>> No.12166831

>>12166797
C-m v2 56 x 69 mmm 69 `;-9999'-86555, take a trip to the cum zone, 974 lim ∞ = 0

SOLVE FOR?

>> No.12166836

>>12166067
>Please help. What am I missing? The proofs are nothing like what I've done before.
do constructive analysis, instead of the crap à la bourbaki where they pull existence out of their excluded middle ass.

>> No.12166846

New!!!
>>12166845

>> No.12166852

New thread:
>>12166538

>> No.12166856

>>12166852
No, psycho

>> No.12167016

>>12166856
No, normalfag

>> No.12167022

>>12167016
>No
Glad we agree.

>> No.12167065

>>12166507
Don’t get jealous slut there’s enough cock to go around.

>> No.12168017

Is there any way to improve the op? I was thinking why don't we put fields and then popular readings of them on it, something like:

>Analysis
Rudin
Tao
Etc.

>> No.12168456

why are there 3 /mg/'s

get your shit together

>> No.12168647

>>12162853
Spherical and bezelless LED monitors when?