/sfg/ - Space Flight General: SN8 Edition

[Anonymous No.12155695]

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Flabs installed

[Anonymous No.12155699]

pour one out for my homie C-8

[Anonymous No.12155719]

>>12155695
Anybody fancy to share their view on "For All Mankind"?
I loved everything space related, but frankly there was way too little of it. Specially the reentries and everything. Surprisingly I found the ground drama only fractionally as annoying a I should have, which was much more tedious in "The First Man", in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.12155724]

Why haven’t aerospike low orbit aircraft replaced jets?

[Anonymous No.12155743]

>>12155724
can't get to orbit in a spaceplane excepting a few options:
1. huge external tank and boosters (STS)
2. putting it on top of a first stage (Starship/Super Heavy)
3. having absolutely zero payload fraction (this includes things like passengers and TPS for getting back down)

[Anonymous No.12155754]

Why would SuperHeavy be easier to prototype than Starship? SH is supposed to be a massive booster unlike anything seen before.

[Anonymous No.12155760]

>>12155724
Number of reasons, I'm gonna start with economics first. Airliners are designed to the penny, to the point where there are incredibly old designs still being produced simply because Airlines are too lazy to retrain their pilots. Now imagine implementing an entirely new concept of the airliner itself.

[Anonymous No.12155761]

>>12155754
but it's essentially just a scaled up falcon 9, so the hardware can be very similar and most of the tank testing has been done with SS already

[Anonymous No.12155764]

>>12155754
it's literally just a really big propellant tank, anon
making something longer is easy, and it's just a longer Starship tank section

[Anonymous No.12155767]

>>12155764
How will they fit the dozens of raptor engines if it’s the same diameter as Starship?

[Anonymous No.12155770]

>>12155767
easily

[Anonymous No.12155774]

>>12155754
How do you not get that? The super heavy simply doesn’t have as much requirements as the spaceplane part

[Anonymous No.12155775]

>>12155719
Has anybody even watched the series?

[Anonymous No.12155781]

>>12155754
>Why would SuperHeavy be easier to prototype than Starship? SH is supposed to be a massive booster unlike anything seen before.
it is not. only some sfg fags desperately hope it to be so they can still hope for the 2024 mars landing

[Anonymous No.12155782]

>>12155775
Like with every other sci-fi series. Too much drama not enough space stuff.

[Anonymous No.12155784]

>>12155764
>>12155761
But if SH is so much easier why not just build SH first and put an adapted Falcon 9 upper stage (or 3) on top for maximum el cheapo yeetage?

[Anonymous No.12155786]

>>12155781
Are you saying that people lied on the internet?

[Anonymous No.12155791]

>>12155784
because they already have a Falcon 9 first stage that works and Super Heavy isn't the long pole for Starship
two things will be holding them up: regulatory approval and the heat shield

[Anonymous No.12155797]

>>12155775
Not gonna bother discussing because this is not /tv/ and there's always some dude who did not watch it who is going to start screaming MUH IDPOL.

[Anonymous No.12155816]

>>12155784
>But if SH is so much easier why not just build SH first and put an adapted Falcon 9 upper stage (or 3) on top for maximum el cheapo yeetage?
this anon is asking the right questions
>>12155791
>because they already have a Falcon 9 first stage that works
yes why would the want a cheaper rocket with much more payload?

[Anonymous No.12155820]

>>12155816
>cheaper rocket
it won't be cheaper than Falcon 9 to make

[Anonymous No.12155830]

>>12155797
It's equally /sfg/ as it is /tv/, if not more by a fair margin. It makes absolutely zero sense to discuss science in fiction on the movie board as videogame firearms discussions are lost at /vg/. Shoving topics over to other boards is just a lazy attempt to mute discussion.

Apart from that, widening the field of discourse will greatly reduce repetition over the same old tedious topics.

[Anonymous No.12155832]

>>12155820
What if I don’t need the cheapest rocket and have money to spend?

[Anonymous No.12155834]

>>12155830
this general was started for one purpose, and one purpose only: to post pictures of whatever the fuck SpaceX was doing down in Texas

[Anonymous No.12155837]

>>12155832
buy a Falcon Heavy or an Ariane 5 then

[Anonymous No.12155839]

>>12155837
I’m American I would like to see a NASA rocket, we have one of the if not the worlds best space programs.

[Anonymous No.12155841]

>>12155839
then why the fuck are you looking at nigger-rigging Super Heavy?

[Anonymous No.12155844]

>>12155841
Because it’s really nice. I appreciate that.

[Anonymous No.12155879]

>>12155834
the... space flight "general" was created to speciallize on a singe companies endeavour?

[Anonymous No.12155883]

>>12155879
yes, we had to rename it from SpaceX general because of shitposting

[Anonymous No.12155890]

>>12155832
Money to spend? ou don't have that. the US is steering toward a recession and it's no the 60s anymore. NASA should reconsider their spendings and where they could be if they stopped keeping Lockheed and Boeing on life support.

[Anonymous No.12155891]

>>12155879
cute Cirno

[Anonymous No.12155898]

>>12155883
Asuming this isn't a load of bullshit... Well that opens it up to topics like space movies then, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.12155900]

>>12155898
no fuck off

[Anonymous No.12155907]

>>12155890
>the US is steering toward a recession and it's no the 60s anymore. NASA should reconsider their spendings and where they could be if they stopped keeping Lockheed and Boeing on life support.
Official stance from Washigton is that everything is fine and it is just a matter of throwing more money at the economy, so nothing is going to change any time soon.

[Anonymous No.12155908]

>>12155900
I take that as a capitulation.

[Anonymous No.12155929]

>>12155907
It's syphoning money from US citizens to a defence contractor for nothing in return. The "created jobs" stand in no relation to the spending and SLS isn't bringing any science into orbit right now to cure cancer more economically or answer space questions or something... or even developing stuff that helps future space faring. Boeing aren't even, let's say Nestle, who at least provide an actual ""good"" in exchange.
While Nestle is just a bad working liver, Boeing is a straight up parasite at this point. I'm not even American.

[Anonymous No.12155932]

>>12155929
Boeing isn't even American, they buy Chinese

[Anonymous No.12155935]

>>12155879
It just sort of grew out of the welding watch generals for starhopper a year and a half ago. There is no intention behind it to keep it confined to SpaceX. But it is probably what most people care the most about.

[Anonymous No.12155936]

>>12155719
mostly i thought it sucked as a work of alternate history.

1. nixon did not give a shit about spaceflight and would not have supported increasing nasa budgets just because the soviets landed on the moon first. and he would have been totally opposed to any militarization of space, just like every president before him had been. ron moore makes the same mistake tom paine and other guys in nasa made - assuming that nixon just innately hated the soviets and therefore he'd spend any money he could to screw them over. nasa tried, repeatedly, to play up the cold war competition angle after nixon came into office and it just put the guy off. they missed that he was the first president to visit the soviet union and had idolized woodrow wilson from childhood. in the white house tapes you can hear him drunkenly crying on the phone about how all he wanted was world peace. at the absolute best, nixon might have wanted a joint moonbase with the soviets, an ASTP on steroids.

2. ted kennedy actively hated manned spaceflight and was very much of the we-can't-do-anything-in-space-until-all-problems-ever-on-earth-are-fixed school

3. the soviets thought valentina tereshkova's flight was a disaster and would never have put a woman on the moon unless they thought the americans were about to do it first

if you're gonna do a neverending-space-race timeline then it needs to address the real reason why the space race ended - the outer space treaty alleviating the defense establishment's worry that the soviets were going to claim the lunar surface. but even if the outer space treaty hadn't been signed there would have been a great deal of pressure to sign something like it to save money. most media and intellectuals would have cheered any treaty slowing down the space race.

[Anonymous No.12155937]

>>12155898
No retard
>>>/tv/

[Anonymous No.12155939]

>>12155932
Dunno about that, but drastically speaking, taxing people into poverty for SLS and F35 will make them stop being able to invest into things which would actually help America, contributing to that recession I was mentioning earlier.

[Anonymous No.12155940]

Blue Origin are also building a manufacturing facility

[Anonymous No.12155942]

>>12155935
I just want to post pictures of and look at pictures of rocket manufacturing and launch and testing

[Anonymous No.12155944]

>>12155935
I remember those first generals. I’ve learned a shit ton in this time.

[Anonymous No.12155946]

WHY CAN'T BLUE ORIGIN FUCKING DO ANYTHING I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT ROCKET AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.12155949]

>>12155936
>the outer space treaty alleviating the defense establishment's worry that the soviets were going to claim the lunar surface
What might've happened had they worked on a joint moonbase together, or any sort of cooperative mission like Apollo/Soyuz testbed docking?
Or in the opposite direction, what might've happened if the US flew a craft, manned or probe, too close to Salyut 3 and were fired on and/or shot down?

[Anonymous No.12155951]

>>12155754
Well it‘s just a stretched tank and the tanks work now. The only real complexity in it is the thrust structure and plumbing. We‘ll see if that‘s an issue or if they‘ll just nail it first try.
Either way, they‘re moving fast as fuck. They could be developing N1 style for all it matters and still be done in a year.

[Anonymous No.12155956]

>>12155929
>It's syphoning money from US citizens to a defence contractor for nothing in return
Don't matter. Hawks are raving non-stop about how the USA should ramp up military spending even more to "keep up" with China, and everything so far indicates that Washigton will go along with it. Don't expect that to change.

[Anonymous No.12155970]

odds the cock rocket RUDs?

[Anonymous No.12155979]

Imagine Super Heavy launch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oitgrvhPgI

[Anonymous No.12155988]

>>12155936
I partially agree, but I think a fair share of that could be countered with it being alternate history.
Politics in general felt like a modern interpretation of the cliché from back then. It fared better than Fallout, but still.

What was your opinion about Von Braun? His role kind of put me off. He was inconsistent and the Senator digging out Paperclip was pretty much obvious and it hit him way too heavy. He also didn't look or sound anything like him.

My biggest problem with the space action that it had was the astronaut drama, then the inconsistent and a slightly too strong moon gravity and the way they handled resource sparsity. The Martian did it way better and more believable. That being said, despite it being cut like it was on a budget, it looked gorgeous.
>>12155937
fuck off lol make us fgt

[Anonymous No.12155996]

>>12155988
I'm lazy and just woke up so report yourself for me instead.

[Anonymous No.12156002]

[Anonymous No.12156005]

>>12156002
It disturbs me that this man has even minuscule influence on spacex's mars plans

[Anonymous No.12156012]

>>12156005
daww what wrong with zubrin? he's a good lad

[Anonymous No.12156019]

>>12156002
Not gonna lie he would look cool if he shaved the head. And grew out a mustache or beard

[Anonymous No.12156021]

>>12155996
I think there is a board for you to fuck off to called "cute male"
Ok byyyeeee!!!!

[Anonymous No.12156031]

So why does NASA expect HLS to cost 16B by 2024? by comparison, SpaceX plans to build the entire Starship stack for 10B or less. makes no sense, commercial crew never cost that much

[Anonymous No.12156036]

>>12155949
joint moonbase would have been awesome just because it'd commit both countries to mastering saturn v/n1 production. even if the soviets got n1 costs down it would have been way more expensive than anything they tried under glushko and you might have the whole project cancelled the first time something goes wrong.

i'm not sure shooting down a spacecraft would have made that much difference strategically though. you don't really have to worry about a salyut maneuvering to shoot down icbms. both sides knew the other was actively developing satellite interception capabilities and both sides knew that it wasn't much cheaper to destroy a satellite than it was to put a new one into orbit, so unless it's an icbm shooting it down is probably a waste of resources. BUT if you have no outer space treaty then you can have orbital nuke platforms and all of a sudden being able to take satellites out becomes way more important.

>>12155988
Yeah, everything they do with Von Braun is pure wish fulfillment. As far as I know his past was never a secret, but after Explorer I nobody cared because he'd proven himself invaluable. He was also more politically astute than a lot of his American-born NASA colleagues and found ways to keep his head down when his background might have caused problems.

In the real world Nixon already had a scapegoat to blame in case Apollo bombed, and that was Tom Paine. I think Lodgson's After Apollo book is the one that noticed this - everybody expected Nixon to replace Paine immediately with his own guy, but instead he didn't even try to come up with a replacement before Apollo 11. That way if anything went wrong he could fire an LBJ appointee and cast blame on the prior administration without actually saying as much.

[Anonymous No.12156038]

On another note, when HLS doesn't get funded, what will become of Blue Pee and the National Team?

[Anonymous No.12156042]

>>12156031
spacecraft are just as expensive as rockets are, historically. the apollo csm+lm cost more money to develop than the saturn v. i think crew dragon cost more to develop than falcon heavy + falcon 9 combined. even if you have a fully functional starship stack you're a long way from having a habitable lunar lander.

[Anonymous No.12156049]

>>12156038
Body Odor will go off on their own and promise an independent lunar lander that's perpetually five years away to attract investment when they inevitably go public.

[Anonymous No.12156053]

>>12156036
Thanks for the insight, I also looked up when Paperclip was made public, but since there was no Korolev like secrecy around him during that time or any scandals or coverup stories, I was under the impression that everybody at least kind of knew. Maybe details about his time in Penemünde were held secret till after his death tho, but again I found the political drama extremely weak. Specially when they presented the picture of a holocaust victim to him. Maybe he was so thrown off by the blunt retardation of the senator.

[Anonymous No.12156056]

>>12156036
>i'm not sure shooting down a spacecraft would have made that much difference strategically though
I'd thought that it'd be a way bigger deal desu, especially if it resulted in an astronaut/cosmonaut death in space. Maybe it'd be more like the U2 shoot-down though, scandalous but not WW3-inducing.

[Anonymous No.12156069]

>>12156056
Yeah, you might be right on that. It's just hard for me to think up a situation in which a Salyut could actually have shot something down, given that the cannon was just kinda slapped on there as a demonstration.

[Anonymous No.12156072]

Blue Origin launch in 1 hour
https://youtu.be/O97dPDkUGg4

[Anonymous No.12156075]

>>12155890
US Economy is better off than its ever been. There is more wealth than ever before. The only issue is that capital needs to be allocated correctly. It’s not a question of if it’s possible, but how.

[Anonymous No.12156076]

>>12156069
Yeah given how the thing was aimed, an Apollo capsule or unmanned sat would've had to sidle up real goddamned close in order to get shot up, they'd be practically daring Salyut/Almez to open fire if they were within spitting-distance of one another.
>"What are you gonna do, shoot me?" -quote from astronaut shot down

[Anonymous No.12156079]

>>12156072
https://www.space.com/blue-origin-new-shepard-ng-13-launch-september-2020
Good luck to them. Hope they start flying people on it soon.

[Anonymous No.12156080]

>>12156072
>>12156079
Are they gonna try to re land it I haven't kept up with poo origin

[Anonymous No.12156081]

>>12156080
Yes, it's another launch and landing of the capsule and (parachute) and booster (powered landing) in the Texas launch site

[Anonymous No.12156084]

Never understood the point of New Shepard. Reusable sounding rocket that doubles as a carnival ride?

[Anonymous No.12156088]

>>12156084
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12156090]

>>12156080
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Shepard#Full_flight_list
I don't know which New Shepard is flying for this mission, but every one of them has been reflown multiple times.

[Anonymous No.12156092]

>tfw for all mankind is gonna give us the same lame shuttle we got irl but won't give us top secret artificial gravity air force surveillance space station

[Anonymous No.12156096]

>>12156084
Suborbital tourism seemed like the most viable way to do commercial space (without government assistance) until smallsats came along.

[Anonymous No.12156098]

>>12156092
I’m more concerned about space construction. I want live to be comfortable on the moon. I wonder if they’ll use a lunar cavern. I think they’re cool, but how do you build a habitat and supply oxygen to one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

[Anonymous No.12156108]

>>12156098
Oxygen and water are expected to come from Moon ice, hence why the lunar polar craters are the expected colonization prime spots.
Life on the moon(and mars, and on the rest of the solar system) will be akin to living inside a bunker, though.

[Anonymous No.12156113]

>>12156108
I understand that. But the moon does get sunlight, so you could have energy from that too. And communication systems etc.

[Anonymous No.12156115]

>>12156108
Ehh it will probably be better than living in a submarine the rest of your life. Bunker? Yeah. But if you have the luxury of getting to do EVA's often it will give you a chance to get out and get some "fresh air" (so to speak). I think something all colonists will miss though is the chance to be back on Earth. To be able to just walk outside and take a breath without needing to suit up. But there will be plenty of people who won't mind bunker life the rest of their days I guess

[Anonymous No.12156120]

>>12156072
when are they flying people? this is getting old

[Anonymous No.12156123]

>>12156115
That’s true. Ideally you could come home though.

[Anonymous No.12156126]

>>12156115
convenient how middle class life on earth is quickly becoming 'sit in room all day for work, then go to the next room to exercise, then eat in the other room, then sleep in yet another room'

[Anonymous No.12156130]

>>12156120
No one knows. BO said by 2019, but that never happened. It sucks because earlier they were consistent with their schedule.

[Anonymous No.12156139]

AND THEN I TELL JEFF HE NEEDS TO USE HYDROLOX FOR HIS SOUNDING ROCKET AND THE GUY ACTUALLY BUYS IT

[Anonymous No.12156140]

>>12156072
>suborbital rocket
its a nothingburger

[Anonymous No.12156143]

>>12155719
The trailers made the plot look way more focused on female empowerment and being woke than it actually turned out to be. I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it. It’s definitely worth watching before the new season comes out.

[Anonymous No.12156155]

>>12156072
For how much Blue Origin talks about needing launches to be on time, thry sure drag their feet on project deadlines. One launch of a sounding rocket in 2020? Get real Jeff

[Anonymous No.12156156]

>>12155939
>taxing people into poverty for SLS and F35 will make them stop being able to invest into things which would actually help America
The vast majority of taxes go to social programs and pensions. Specific acquisition programs like the SLS and F-35 are barely a blip on the federal budget.

[Anonymous No.12156157]

>>12155719
the virgin for all mankind
>shuttle still exists in universe
>pozzed as fuck
>no skylab
>retardation like shuttle to the moon and sea dragon
>no aardvark and apollo block 3
>pretends the n1 could ever fucking work
>pretends nixon gave a shit about space
>moonbase looks uggo
>shits on von braun

vs

the CHAD eyes turned skyward
>shittle written out of existence
>unpozzed
>skylab, spacelab, freedom and discovery
>100% realistic vehicles like saturn 1c and multibody
>aardvark and apollo block 3
>n1? literally who?
>nixon doesnt give a fuck, only chooses a different nasa admin
>moonbase is sexy as shit, uses inflatables
>von braun given the respect he deserves

[Anonymous No.12156159]

>>12156075
>US Economy is better off than its ever been
lmao no, the stock market has been pumped artificially. The economy =/= stock market

[Anonymous No.12156162]

I have a serious question, how often do mars and the moon meet up or go in conjunction or whatever?

[Anonymous No.12156188]

>>12156157
>100% realistic
>entire timeline is built around a stage powered by a single f1 engine with no roll control

anon i have some bad news...

[Anonymous No.12156193]

>>12156188
roll? where we're going we don't need roll...

[Anonymous No.12156196]

>>12156157
>aardvark and apollo block 3

[Anonymous No.12156199]

>>12156143
Original Anon here, I never watched the trailer. I think I saw the scene where the cosmonaut comes out of the crater and that made me watch the series. So my expectations were kinda high because I didn't think it was like the end almost but I do agree that the emancipation thing was surprisingly not annoying and painful to watch. Specially with all the screen time it occupied, not because I'd be against equal rights, but rather because of how tedious the whole debate is in real life.

[Anonymous No.12156202]

>>12156157
ETS is definitely amazing, but I thought For All Mankind was at least enjoyable. It’s not super great alternate history if you know too much about that period, but it’s fun to watch as a space nerd. I’m disappointed that it looks like they’re going with the shuttle instead of modernized Apollo (a la ETS) for season 2, but the concept of Reaganesque Cold War escalation combined with spaceflight is bound to be entertaining.

[Anonymous No.12156205]

>>12156162
You mean for a transfer from Earth?

[Anonymous No.12156207]

>>12156157
Based

[Anonymous No.12156208]

>>12156205
Well the escape velocity on the moon is only 2.38 km/s compared to almost 4 times that on earth, so it’s a good store of value and a good spaceport for earth.

[Anonymous No.12156209]

>>12156188
The S-IE stage on the Saturn IC in ETS supposedly had role control provided by 2 vernier thrusters. It definitely does in the KSP mod based on it.

[Anonymous No.12156210]

>>12156196
apollo block iii was a leo focused variant of apollo, featuring shrunken tanks, a smaller engine, powered by batteries instead of fuel cells and used airbags to land on land instead of at sea

aardvark was esentially a pressurised cargo capsule attachted to an apollo block iii service module for the purpose of station resupply.

[Anonymous No.12156212]

>>12156202
I don't have a problem with them doing some sort of shuttle but we would have never ended up with the ET+SRBs if not for budget cuts. The winged booster would have been more realistic and way cooler.

[Anonymous No.12156214]

>>12156157
why does for all mankind do von braun dirty? without him there would be no "for all mankind". fucks sake i'm mad

[Anonymous No.12156216]

>>12156210
>attachted
attached*

[Anonymous No.12156220]

>>12156214
Because GOD FORBID you say anything nice about a nazi in 2020. It is your moral duty to make them the bad guy. Modern progressive logic is retarded I guess is the short answer

[Anonymous No.12156226]

>>12156212
Maybe, but if the main change in the timeline is increasing militarization of space, it kinda makes sense for them to use the shuttle design that was driven by Air Force requirements (bigger wings for single-orbit missions). I think they just went with the real life shuttle so they could use launch footage without CGI, though. Based on the quality of the astronaut costumes (especially the Soviet ones) in the trailer, it looks like they’ve got less money to work with this season.

[Anonymous No.12156227]

>>12156212
based and maxfagetpilled

[Anonymous No.12156230]

>>12155695
SN8 looks better every day frens

[Anonymous No.12156233]

What can you build with lunar materials? Quite a lot possibly.

[Anonymous No.12156246]

>>12156233
Lunar alumilox propellant depots when?

[Anonymous No.12156250]

>>12156233
Mmmmm, silicate rocks with lots of iron. My favorite

[Anonymous No.12156251]

>>12156233
Lunar composition should not be too much different from Earth's... but minerals are surely more easy to extract (no forests, no seas, etc).
Would still prefer to mine some moon of Saturn tho if possible, for safety reasons.

[Anonymous No.12156252]

>>12156220
we should demolish the pyramids because they were built with "slave" labor (they werent, despite what people believe)

hell i'd work for von braun on the v2 for free! beats rotting away in a cell. slaves should probably be grateful they had the opportunity to gain valuable work experience. modern libs have no concept of work and accomplishment. they have small minds

[Anonymous No.12156258]

>>12156233
show me the molecules faggot

[Anonymous No.12156265]

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/surface/carrier_lunar_soils.pdf

[Anonymous No.12156266]

>>12156258
Here's your molecular structure you gay

[Anonymous No.12156269]

>>12156233
Pisscrete.

[Anonymous No.12156271]

>>12156226
We can do that too!

>>12156214
>>12156220
There are a lot of white guys working in hollywood who grew up loving the space program but in the current year they feel guilty about it so they have to come up with an imaginary world where everything they find embarrassing about it was fixed.

[Anonymous No.12156274]

>>12156266
gooood gooooood

[Anonymous No.12156279]

>>12156214
Because it's [Current Year]. If they hadn't put that in alongside a smug Tom Lehrer, that shit wouldn't have been greenlit.

[Anonymous No.12156291]

If this Blue launch is successful do you think they might move on to weather balloons?

[Anonymous No.12156308]

NS-13 just added like 20 odd minutes to the livestream counter.

[Anonymous No.12156311]

>>12155775
only a few episodes and the entire logic behind the show is flawed.
If the russians back then really went first to the moon, the USA would be all like "FUCK YOU, WE ARE GOING TO MARS" instead of the "first woman on the moon, yay" plot.
And von braun saturn 5 finally does what it was build for.

[Anonymous No.12156312]

BO delayed

[Anonymous No.12156313]

How is the BO launch associated with the human lander?

[Anonymous No.12156315]

>>12156308
>>12156312
>worlds richest man
>can't even launch a sounding rocket on schedule

[Anonymous No.12156317]

>>12156214
He pisses off Dick Nixon for not wanting to militarize space, so one of Nixon’s cronies ambushes him with pictures of the concentration camp he used to supply labor on the V-2. It’s believable enough in the context of the world the show sets up, but obviously didn’t ever come close to happening in real life. In the show’s defense, he does come back later in a really interesting way.

[Anonymous No.12156318]

>>12156311
>If the russians back then really went first to the moon, the USA would be all like "FUCK YOU, WE ARE GOING TO MARS" instead of the "first woman on the moon, yay" plot.
You didn't even watch it.

[Anonymous No.12156322]

>>12155719
I enjoyed it alot and am stoked for the next series. It has alot of completely forced drama but they foolishly thought women would watch it and ofcourse Von Braun is needlessly politicised.

The moon launches and the moon base scenes are great. I loved the show but Apple TV was unbelievably janky.

[Anonymous No.12156324]

>>12156313
https://www.space.com/blue-origin-new-shepard-ng-13-launch-september-2020
>New Shepard will carry 12 payloads on the upcoming flight, including NASA's Deorbit, Descent and Landing Sensor Demonstration, which will be mounted to the vehicle's exterior.
>This instrument will test landing technologies for NASA's Artemis program
>"The experiment will verify how these technologies (sensors, computers, and algorithms) work together to determine a spacecraft’s location and speed as it approaches the moon, enabling a vehicle to land autonomously on the lunar surface within 100 meters of a designated point,"

[Anonymous No.12156330]

>>12156322
I was like in e7 when I first saw the apple logo the first time. I didn't even know they were in the movie industry.

[Anonymous No.12156336]

>>12156214
He gets a bit of a redemption later in the first season.

[Anonymous No.12156339]

>>12156324
Neat, thanks

[Anonymous No.12156340]

>>12155719
>launches sea dragon
>not sea dragon heavy

[Anonymous No.12156346]

Blue Balls scrubbed

[Anonymous No.12156347]

@blueorigin
We’ve detected a potential issue with the power supply to the experiments. Launch is scrubbed for today. New launch target forthcoming.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.12156352]

>>12156347
>Scrubs ferociously.

[Anonymous No.12156354]

>>12156347
Texas is Elon country.

[Anonymous No.12156357]

>>12156346
>>12156347
Why is Bezos even bothering with a space company? Is it just to date his ego or some shit?

[Anonymous No.12156359]

>>12156347
KWAB

[Anonymous No.12156360]

>jeff

[Anonymous No.12156361]

>>12156347
@SpaceX
Space is hard, but we wish you the best. Here's a gift of good luck.

[Anonymous No.12156363]

>>12156336
But he isn't picrelated. The series depicts him as some old man getting caught by the past. That wasn't him and in the realms of fiction we don't want him to be that. It's like if Han Solo would have been killed in New Hope

[Anonymous No.12156364]

Slow and steady, right Jeff?

[Anonymous No.12156368]

when you're about to accidentally develop an operational reusable sounding rocket before the world's richest man gets his working

[Anonymous No.12156370]

scrub origin

[Anonymous No.12156375]

>Spend 100x more time than any other aerospace company on QA and making sure everything is 100% perfect
>scrub all the time
what did boozos mean by this /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.12156377]

>>12156347
please jeff, just spend all your money on anti-aging research, leave space to those that are capable

[Anonymous No.12156386]

>>12156375
space is hard :^)

[Anonymous No.12156388]

>>12156363
Same goes for the flight director, Gene Kranz. He perfectly tied the launch team together and the plot it kicked loose was just not worth it. Specially if they intend to follow up on the first season. I would even argue that he inspired how Hollywood handles flight directors and should have been a way more central character.

[Anonymous No.12156391]

>>12156347
>20 year prep time
>still issues

[Anonymous No.12156401]

>>12155879
It used to be SpaceX general you newfag

[Anonymous No.12156404]

>>12155879
Yes thats how general was started as and is mainly/largely a SpaceX thread due to them being the ONLY one that shows progress that's available for public.

[Anonymous No.12156407]

>>12156388
>Kranz has six children with his wife, Marta: Carmen (born 1958), Lucy (1959), Joan Frances (1961), Mark (1963), Brigid (1964), and Jean Marie (1966).
Damn. Dude was pounding Latinas on the reg, then went to work and put us on the moon.

[Anonymous No.12156408]

>>12155695
I really hope the next starship launch doesn’t go wrong it will be sick if it doesn’t. It will be interesting to watch too

[Anonymous No.12156409]

>>12156388
>the plot it kicked loose was just not worth it
"Fuck cost plus and fuck government gibs contracts in return for votes" is a good fucking plot point in my book.

[Anonymous No.12156412]

>>12156404
Why do other spaceflight companies and agencies struggle with gathering public interest?

[Anonymous No.12156414]

>all the men with the right stuff shit all over the men of today
Depressing...

[Anonymous No.12156415]

>>12156404
If there was a spacex movie/series/documentary, would it have been off limits for discussion on the spacex general?

[Anonymous No.12156419]

>>12156412
they dont value public interest, only government interest. the $$$$ boys

[Anonymous No.12156420]

>the year is 2065
>Blue Origin autofabricator spaceports in the Atlantic launch 20 heavy lift flights of cargo per day on spacecraft constructed from mined material from the ocean floor
>Spacex LEO manufacturing facilities pump out 10 nuclear deep space tugs per week
>Bezos lives in his own personal space station form which he commands his empire
>Elon has established en empire on mars that auctions off land and sells resources to private ventures to fund his research into life extension technology and AGI

[Anonymous No.12156430]

>>12156415
we talked about the vice doc in the last thread. it is a very funny doc with a bumch of seething boca chica villagers haha

[Anonymous No.12156433]

>>12156409
Okay it's all tied together, I give them that. But I critizize the mesh we ended up with. For example her dad having worked on the Manhattan project felt like a soap opera. But that's an industry problem where you have your 10 protagonists which seemingly the world rotates around.

[Anonymous No.12156435]

>>12156420
bezos? you mean the smallsat launcher?

[Anonymous No.12156437]

>>12156430
Not what I was asking.

[Anonymous No.12156438]

>>12156420
>the year is 2065
>Blue Origin has totally monopolized the suborbital launch market
>New Shepard Heavy Block 5 launches thousands of novelty smallsats and university payloads a day
>Bezos lives in his own personal space station for 15 minutes at a time until it falls back to Earth and he launches it again

[Anonymous No.12156439]

>>12156433
That was just a plot point to make her sheltered ass realize that things are not quite so black and white in war.
But yes, it was a bit hamfisted.

[Anonymous No.12156440]

Ok guys....be honest. Does the ISS smell like pee?

[Anonymous No.12156444]

>>12156437
my english very bad. can you repeat your question ?

[Anonymous No.12156448]

>>12156438
kek

[Anonymous No.12156470]

>>12156440
It probably smells like sweaty ballsack and skin flakes

[Anonymous No.12156479]

>>12156440
Why, did you pee on it? You have to tell us if you peed on it anon.

[Anonymous No.12156488]

are we just ignoring NASA made legitimate progress on fusion
https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/space/science/lattice-confinement-fusion/

[Anonymous No.12156489]

>>12156479
i will NOT tell

[Anonymous No.12156496]

>>12156488
Nobody uses NASA Boomer technology. It's fir tge boomers! LOL

[Anonymous No.12156504]

>>12156444
>If there was a spacex movie/series/documentary, would it have been off limits for discussion on the spacex general?

[Anonymous No.12156516]

>>12156439
>make her sheltered ass realize that things are not quite so black and white in war
That’s what I really liked about it. It was the best possible follow up if the plot absolutely had to go after Von Braun for war crimes. Having the person that crucified him with the most prejudice discover that their own ancestors were just as guilty is a good lesson for the times we live in.

[Anonymous No.12156517]

>>12156488
Zubrin was posting that link on social media so he at least thinks it's real progress. Imagine how light you could make a 10MWe fusion plant.

[Anonymous No.12156523]

there were only like 3 hot astronaut chicks, makes me sad.

[Anonymous No.12156528]

>>12156523
i just want her back bros...

[Anonymous No.12156529]

>>12156479
>tfw Houston found the piss module

[Anonymous No.12156534]

>>12156528
>blows up your waifu

[Anonymous No.12156536]

>>12156529
>"The Bigelow module is installed. All we need to do is fill its cavities with a fluid to inflate it."
>unzips pants

[Anonymous No.12156537]

>>12156271
>still thinking Hollywood is a white business
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.12156539]

>One big BRAAAP for woman

[Anonymous No.12156543]

>>12156536
god i wish that was me

[Anonymous No.12156552]

>>12156537
white when they want to shit talk whites, but a persecuted minority when called out

[Anonymous No.12156578]

>>12156504
You gotta phrase it differently if you want a different answer.

>whats 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?

[Anonymous No.12156588]

>>12156529
Still beats the 1g shitterring.

[Anonymous No.12156598]

>>12156578
he said repeat and I repeated myself.
>whats 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact… same fucking thing… over and over again, expecting… shit to change.
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?
>2
>thats not what im asking
>okay what are you asking?
>what's 1+1?

[Anonymous No.12156624]

>>12156534
The widowmaker

[Anonymous No.12156681]

The toilet on Orion costs $18 million, alone. Justify this.

[Anonymous No.12156693]

>>12156056
>>12156069
It wouldn't be WW3, but you'd see tit-for-tat strikes against space-related infrastructure until MAD forced a truce

[Anonymous No.12156697]

>>12156681
see >>12156386

[Anonymous No.12156702]

>>12156693
MAD is a myth. One side will always gain an upper hand after both sides commit to total obliteration tactics. Only one man surrenders, the other achieves victory even at a large cost

[Anonymous No.12156720]

>>12156523
what's your pick?
>1. Eileen Collins
>2. Mae Jemison
>3. Samantha Cristoforetti

[Anonymous No.12156729]

>>12156720
1 aged the best, 2 was a cutie in her time, Eileen Collins would look better with long hair. Mae Jemison was a CUTE back in the day

[Anonymous No.12156738]

>>12155699
So I made a couple improvements

[Anonymous No.12156745]

>>12156720

[Anonymous No.12156749]

>>12156729
>Eileen Collins would look better with long hair
are you serious?

[Anonymous No.12156757]

Its kind of gross, but musk might be able to make point to point more attractive via good ol regulatory capture-he provides cushy lobbying jobs, politicians give tax credits that let him knock down the ticket price to appeal to a wider audience.

Whg iant musk doing and tourism stuff btw? Starship is a flying hotel, you could send richfags up for a few days for a million a pop, way better than the other space tourism offerings.

[Anonymous No.12156772]

If SLS used F-1 engines instead of RS-25, would SRBs be necessary?

[Anonymous No.12156780]

>>12156772
I believe with their proposal to make the "new" F1's, the design didn't include SRB's.

[Anonymous No.12156785]

>>12156749
I like her.

[Anonymous No.12156787]

>>12156720
missing a couple. who was that really young astrogirl?

[Anonymous No.12156796]

>>12156772
If the SLS used F1 engines on the core it would be a totally different rocket because the big orange tank wouldn't be big nor would it be orange. If it uses them as boosters, that's just replacing the SRBs.

[Anonymous No.12156806]

>>12156772
a single F-1 has more thrust than 3 RS-25s put together
but that's comparing apples and oranges
if SLS used kerolox and F-1s it would be basically just Saturn 5 again
>>12156787
Sally Ride?
I believe she's was the youngest female astronaut
she was a qt too

[Anonymous No.12156810]

>>12156414
>The NASA Administrator is appointed by the President and to a great degree represents the current President's views on space
BIG

[Anonymous No.12156812]

>>12156806
>>12156787

[Anonymous No.12156813]

>>12156806
All I know is pain- I fucking HATE SLS

[Anonymous No.12156815]

[Anonymous No.12156816]

Is there anything SLS can do that Starship Centaur V can't do better?

[Anonymous No.12156828]

>>12156816
Starship Centaur?

[Anonymous No.12156829]

>>12156815

[Anonymous No.12156834]

>>12156828
Yeah, Starship can fit Centaur inside the payload bay with room to spare. So why not? It turns Starship into a mostly reusable three stage high energy launcher for yeeting shit to the outer planets.

[Anonymous No.12156835]

>>12156816
create jobs in 51 states, especially Alabama

[Anonymous No.12156854]

>>12156834
elon would sooner throw expendable starships at neptune than use hydrogen

[Anonymous No.12156868]

>>12156854
I think that's a mistake. Consider two different Starship mission profiles for inserting a large probe into Uranus.

>launch Starship
>refuel
>refuel
>refuel
>refuel
>send expendable starship to Uranus

OR

>launch Starship with Centaur
>release Centaur
>land for reuse

The only problem I can see is rigging Starship to let Centaur be fueled on the pad, and rigging the pad for LH2.

[Anonymous No.12156870]

>>12156720

[Anonymous No.12156877]

>>12156870
HNNNNNG

[Anonymous No.12156892]

>>12155699
>>12156738
Further optimizations

[Anonymous No.12156898]

>>12156031
They're building three separate systems

[Anonymous No.12156913]

>>12156868
Question? Why explicitly use a Centaur? Could we get similar power out of a methalox kickstage?

[Anonymous No.12156920]

>>12156870
Literally astrowife material

[Anonymous No.12156922]

>>12156913
Despite the hydrolox memes here Centaur is the best upper stage currently flying. In space Isp is the ruler.

[Anonymous No.12156923]

>>12156922
That's a good point. How does hydrolox fair in a vacuum, does it have the boil-off issue? I wonder if you could get away with making a Starship Cargo that could evacuate its cargo section to a vacuum. That would presumably help you store the Centaur. Or its a dumb idea and I have no idea what I'm talking about lol. Either way- you would have to retrofit your pad to deal with hydrogen and methane which would be annoying

[Anonymous No.12156934]

>>12156523
What about the newest group?

[Anonymous No.12156937]

>>12156923
>How does hydrolox fair in a vacuum
About 28% more efficient than kerolox, and about 18% more efficient than methalox which is a substantial improvement and was why the Apollo program perused it so much.
>does it have the boil-off issue?
I think it's less of an issue in space since there would be no "hot" air blowing over the tank and heating it up. Sunlight would still heat the tank, but that can be managed long enough until the hydrogen is used up. ULA had long term storage plans involving sunshields. IIRC there are also hyrdolox upper stages for geostationary transfer burns that are completely fine with coasting for hours.

[Anonymous No.12156947]

what are you kids discussing in here?

[Anonymous No.12156949]

>>12156947
how good hydrolox upper stages are

[Anonymous No.12156950]

>>12156947
Depots.

[Anonymous No.12156951]

>>12156947
tape drives

[Anonymous No.12156956]

>>12156947
how much we love expendable rs-25s and solid rocket boosters!

[Anonymous No.12156958]

>>12156868
>falling for the hydrolox upper stage meme

[Anonymous No.12156959]

>>12156947
Term limits.

[Anonymous No.12156972]

>>12156913
It exists and it fits. The best development is no development.

>>12156958
Hydrolox upper stages are absolutely a good and useful choice for throwing high energy payloads. A fully reusable TSTO deploying a hydrolox kick stage (ie Starship Centaur) is basically maximum cost efficiency. The alternative is expanding a Starship, which is a lot more complex than a Centaur.

[Anonymous No.12156976]

>>12156947
vintage astronaut waifus

[Anonymous No.12156978]

>>12156949
AMERICAN
>>12156950
UNAMERICAN
>>12156951
FOREIGN
>>12156956
AMERICAN
>>12156959
NATIONALIZE HIM

[Anonymous No.12156985]

>>12156978
STRAP-ON RS25 BOOSTERS WITH A SOLID CORE STAGE

[Anonymous No.12156989]

>>12156985
We should design a space program for Elbonia.
>expendable only, reuse is a meme, just ask the big American minds at ULA
>hydrolox first stage, like venerable SLS and Ariane rockets
>hypergolic boosters, for commonality with the Elbonian Missle Forces
>kerosene / peroxide upper stage, because more oxygens is more better

[Anonymous No.12157002]

>>12156989
>UDMH RFNA boosters
>MMH RCS, don't tell anyone the difference and just refer to it all as hydrazine
>sea launch platform, constantly demand launches from the equator during hurricane season

[Anonymous No.12157005]

>>12156339
Really brings home the violence of it

[Anonymous No.12157006]

>>12156989
Hydrofluorine first stage because cheap expendable launch pads simplify the design process.

[Anonymous No.12157014]

>>12157006
I think even the hapless Elbonian parliament would notice after a while that fluorine rockets are a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.12157021]

>>12157002
HOW BOUT WFNA BOOSTERS

[Anonymous No.12157025]

>>12157014
not if they maintain a very low launch cadence to make sure that they have plenty of time to run through all the quality checks. once every 5 years or so should be optimal for cost-saving.

[Anonymous No.12157027]

>>12157021
>storable (briefly)

[Anonymous No.12157040]

>>12156922
wrong, Falcon 9 has more dv but uses all of it to get to orbit

[Anonymous No.12157047]

uhhhhhhhhhhh bros

[Anonymous No.12157066]

>>12156339
kino

[Anonymous No.12157071]

>>12157047
told you, it's the golden choice. until everyone up and switches to N2O4 and all that research was for noUGHT THOSE BLOODY FUCKING BASTARDS

[Anonymous No.12157081]

I worked 2 contract aerospace positions when I graduated. I had a 3.0 in college. Got laid off in december, had interviews and shit with Northrop, some smaller companies, then covid hits. I'm still unemployed as of 9/24/2020 (today). I am a pit of despair. Doing certifications online for random programs, taking coding classes. Even been applying to entry level jobs out of aerospace, very reluctantly. I do interview well, have good communication skills and all that jazz.

Am I fucked? Feels like there is no hope. I am drunk.

[Anonymous No.12157096]

>>12157081
Keep trying anon, there's always hope. The job market is hard right now, but it will get better.

[Anonymous No.12157097]

>>12157081
please don't be sad and drunk posting, anon
please pick one

[Anonymous No.12157100]

>>12157081
There's high demand for trade job workers if you can find something like that in the meantime. Maybe widen your search across more companies and send them all your resume. ULA Boeing, Lockheed, SpaceX, maybe even NASA. Apply for unemployment if you haven't already.

[Anonymous No.12157110]

>>12157096
Is the 9 month gap in my resume not the biggest deal because of Covid? Usually I feel like its a death sentence, but special circumstances right?

I have a couple of certs for python classes because I genuinely enjoy doing it, but I'm not very good at it. I am working on my grandmaster level three cert for STK because I am interested orbital mechanics and modeling missions.

My experience is in manufacturing (yuck) and design (not the worst)

I guess for an actual question, is there anything else I can be doing to get a leg up to show employers I still want to get hired?

>>12157097
too late chap.

[Anonymous No.12157114]

>>12157100
Unemployment is saving me. Covers rent, food, and a little left over. Only reason I didnt start working at mickey d's.

>>12157100
Been applying to all of those. I'm in southern california fortunately. Tons of companies down here.

[Anonymous No.12157118]

>>12157114
Consider applying to places that will require you to relocate to a different state.

[Anonymous No.12157119]

>>12157114
fuck off commie

[Anonymous No.12157138]

>>12156913
Centaur V is a refinement of Centaur G, which was designed to fly as a Shuttle kickstage but got cancelled after Challenger.

>>12156972
A kickstage on a TSTO is basically a third stage. Two kerolox/methalox stages plus a hydrolox stage is what the Saturn V used. Starship/Centaur would be the same performance class for way less money. Retanking the big fucker up is definitely better for going to the Moon or Mars, but if you're throwing probes on one way missions, Centaur is just going to give you more dV and C3.

[Anonymous No.12157148]

>>12155879
It started Dec 2018 when people noticed a water tower being built down at Boca Chica.

[Anonymous No.12157156]

>>12157148
There was a sfg way earlier. I think it was around 2012.

[Anonymous No.12157167]

>>12155743
Skylon retard.

[Anonymous No.12157174]

>>12157156
But that's not even good enough for a Ship of Theseus. It's like taking a brand new boat and naming it Ship of Theseus.

[Anonymous No.12157177]

>>12157174
*Enterprise

[Anonymous No.12157183]

>>12157177
Implying that people are implying that they are all the same Enterprise.

[Anonymous No.12157186]

>>12157174
Speaking of theseus ship, what's your take on the Constitution?
They say that only 10-15% is original.

[Anonymous No.12157192]

>>12157186
did they finish building the titanic 2 yet?

[Anonymous No.12157203]

>>12157192
I dunno. You'll have to ask the aussies that.
And I think the chinks bought what they started.

[Anonymous No.12157206]

>>12157186
That's normal and expected for wooden ships. Saltwater eats basically every part of them, so keeping one afloat is a matter of making sure you replace parts fast enough to not sink.

[Anonymous No.12157212]

>>12156130
It's clearly just a testbed for their 100% reusable manned hydrolox 3rd stage for New Glenn at this point.

[Anonymous No.12157216]

>>12156892
I did some math
>Two stage version
2 stage version can place 310 tons into LEO, but 119.5 tons of that is the 2nd stage, leaving 190.5 tons of actual useful LEO payload. Option would remain open for anyone who wanted a wet workshop to launch a 190.5 ton refitting kit inside a large habitat module permanently attached to the front of the 2nd stage, in order to allow for a "Big Skylab" style of space station to be built in a single launch. Payload fairing is extremely large, in order to allow for massive-but-low-density payloads.

3 stage version takes full advantage of stage 2 to place the third stage and payload directly into orbit; stage three has a wet mass of 109.565 tons and a dry mass of 13.145 tons. This third stage can push a payload of ~81 tons *of useful payload* to trans-lunar injection, or nearly double the mass of the combined Apollo CSM+LEM spacecraft. Furthermore, also all in terms of useful payload, this third stage can push ~71 tons to Mars, ~32.5 tons to Jupiter, ~23.3 tons to Saturn, and ~12.8 tons to solar escape trajectory, all with no gravity assists considered (with a Jupiter gravity assist the payload to Saturn and beyond basically equals the Jupiter direct-transfer payload of ~32.5 tons). The third stage actually has a relatively high TWR for an upper stage of ~0.75, due to using an HG-3 engine. Note that the Isp of the engine could be increased significantly if the engine was redesigned to have a larger nozzle and better expansion ratio, which would result in a disproportional increase in payloads to higher energy trajectories.

[Anonymous No.12157218]

>>12157206
Right. So looking at it from a theseus ship angle, is it the same ship?
Here in America we hold Old Ironsides in high exaltation. And internationally it's classed as the oldest commissioned ship afloat.
Is it though? At what point will it lose that title?

[Anonymous No.12157220]

>>12156937
18% more efficient than methalox but less than a quarter of the bulk density, meaning a significantly worse mass ratio, meaning per-stage delta V is actually fairly comparable.

[Anonymous No.12157225]

>>12157167
Skylon doesn't exist and never will

[Anonymous No.12157229]

>>12157218
>Right. So looking at it from a theseus ship angle, is it the same ship?
Yes, because it's been continuous, and still has significant original content - 10-15% rather than a few bits of glass and metal. They didn't let it rot away to nothing and rebuild it from scraps. It will only lose the title if it is removed from commission, because at this point the idea of the ship is far more powerful than the individual bits of wood, rope, and canvas.

[Anonymous No.12157232]

>>12157167
>>12157225
>ywn be a billionaire and hire Skunk Works to make skylon a thing

[Anonymous No.12157251]

>>12157218
I'm going to cut to the chase here; If you hooked your brain up to a computer and the computer could perfectly simulate neuron connections and you spent ten years slowly killing off your biological neurons and replacing the signals they would have been making with signals sent from the virtual neurons, until at the end of the decade all of your neurons were running in a simulation and you had no living brain, you would at that point have transitioned seamlessly from being a biological mind to being a virtual mind. Cut and paste.
To relate it to the ship of theseus, imagine instead of wood the components of the ship are slowly being replaced by stainless steel in the shape of the old wooden parts. After 100 years the entire ship is made of nothing but steel. Not only does the ship now last 100x longer before needing parts replaced, it also can be much more easily modified, lengthened, widened, reinforced, etc etc. You could go on replacing little bits at a time until the ship was changed from a sailing vessel to a nuclear powered aircraft carrier/battleship if you wanted.
By analogy, that's what slowly shifting your mind into virtual form lets you do, too.

[Anonymous No.12157261]

>>12157232
Right, because having infinite money to throw at engineers always results in a perfect functioning product, which is why it's working out so well for Bezos lmao

[Anonymous No.12157278]

>>12157229
That's also how I feel about it.
>tfw you live inland so will never truly experience sailing
>>12157251
Yeah, I guess I agree with you on all of this.
And good job expressing it better than I ever could.

[Anonymous No.12157281]

>>12157278
It's because I've had 8 coffees today

[Anonymous No.12157285]

>>12157261
lmao, I don't think bezos knows what he's doing.
He thinks he's smart because Amazon seceded, but previous success doesn't necessarily translate into future success. Amazon is the juggernaut that it is because of exceptional timing, not because of good leadership.
But I hope that bezos proves me wrong.

[Anonymous No.12157291]

>>12157281
Anon, be careful. Coffee is a drug.

[Anonymous No.12157297]

>>12157285
>Amazon is the juggernaut that it is because of exceptional timing, not because of good leadership.
Amazon literally invented microservices and cloud computing. Bezos simply isn't paying enough attention to BO because all this bat coof stuff is keeping him focused on Amazon's retail business.

[Anonymous No.12157302]

>>12157297
How involved is Bezos in the day to day operations of BO anyway?

[Anonymous No.12157304]

>>12157297
I think bezos is just slowly pouring money into BO until he feels the space launch market is ready for more competition. In 5 or 10 years he'll just dump billions into it and try to copy what spacex did with rapid development

[Anonymous No.12157315]

>>12157285
bezos was one of the only tech ceos who saw the 2000 crash coming ahead of time and realized that books were the one of the few items that an online store could do a better job selling

[Anonymous No.12157319]

>>12157203
>chinktanic
how disappointing

[Anonymous No.12157332]

Just posted a new video! Comments, criticism, and new video ideas all welcome. Thanks bros.

https://youtu.be/1LId4hGQd8w

[Anonymous No.12157340]

>>12157319
the maiden voyage will be great though

[Anonymous No.12157342]

>The third stage of aDelta rocket had just been joined to theOrbiting Solar Observatorysatellite in the spin test facility building at Cape Kennedy. Eleven workers were in the room when the205kg (452lb)of solid fuel in the third stage ignited. Sidney Dagle, 29; Lot D. Gabel, 51, and John Fassett, 30, were severely burned and later died of their injuries. Eight others were injured, but survived. The ignition was caused by a spark ofstatic electricity

[Anonymous No.12157364]

elon will NEVER defeat me

i am unstoppable

[Anonymous No.12157367]

>>12157364
>i am unstoppable
How can you stop something that isn't even moving?

[Anonymous No.12157383]

>>12157364
>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-03/amazon-s-hq2-fiasco-was-driven-by-bezos-envy-of-elon-musk
Does Bezos have any real motivation at all? Jealous Jeff, how pathetic. 200B and can't get to orbit. Blue Pee can afford to be VERY hardware rich and blow shit up to get things right. Instead, slow n steady takes forever to get them a prototype, and then the prototype turns out to be shit. Bezos? More like Bozo

[Anonymous No.12157390]

>>12157367
Everything is unstoppable at the subatomic level anon

[Anonymous No.12157396]

>>12157332
Good content that not a lot of youtubers are willing to touch. The global launch market is just not as strong as online space nuts assume it is. F9 launches peaked in 2018 and if you take out starlink it's only had 6 launches this year. If anything military demand is increasing faster than private sector demand with the new NRO contracts.

Also your audio quality sucks bro.

[Anonymous No.12157397]

>>12157390
like FUCKING HYDROGEN LEAKS

[Anonymous No.12157408]

>>12157397
everyone is just being a pussy about that. i bet i could make a good insulation. it's just jewish overlords dont want us to use hydrogen as fuel bc ooo it's leakin oooo my tank is brittle. horseshit!! hydrogen is future

[Anonymous No.12157412]

>>12155695
how hard would it be to capture solar wind and turn it into fuel in space?

[Anonymous No.12157417]

>>12157412
forggot image

[Anonymous No.12157418]

>>12157383
Bezos focus is Amazon, BO is just a side project to him, even worse is that the vision for it is something that even he recognized he won't live to see it, so he has little incentive to really lit a fire under BO

[Anonymous No.12157421]

>>12157412
Easier to turn it straight into momentum with a magnetic sail.

[Anonymous No.12157427]

The most important launch of 2020 is officially back ON

>@blueorigin
>#NewShepard NS-13 mission with @NASA Tipping Point experiment is now slated for launch at 10:00 AM CDT / 15:00 UTC tomorrow, Sept. 25. Webcast starts T-30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.12157428]

>U.S. Air Force acquisition chief Dr. Will Roper, after the military tested SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet service during a live exercise earlier this month:

>"What I've seen from Starlink has been impressive and positive."

>Roper: "We can be the stability case for companies like SpaceX and others ... (They) may not be thinking about customers over the ocean, but we've got our Navy there. (They) may not be thinking about customers up in the Arctic but we have our airplanes there."

Poggers

[Anonymous No.12157430]

>>12157427
What will the first manned i mean personned New Shepard be named? Blue Poopy?

[Anonymous No.12157431]

>>12157428
i'm thinking elon winchamped the fuck outta this one

[Anonymous No.12157434]

>>12157430
Prime

[Anonymous No.12157435]

>>12157428
Was this the same exercise that had them using starlink to talk to robot dogs (which we apparently have for some reason)?

[Anonymous No.12157439]

>>12157430
Yep they will name it Peepoopfartshitsniff.
Seriously, grow up

[Anonymous No.12157457]

Boeing Failliner

[Anonymous No.12157471]

stupid launch system

[Anonymous No.12157483]

>>12157430
Crew Origin

[Anonymous No.12157498]

>>12156053
if i was von braun i'd just show a picture of massacred redskins

[Anonymous No.12157507]

>>12157418
>if you dont try you will never realize the vision of your company
Well I guess I cant argue with that logic.

[Anonymous No.12157529]

>>12157428
Elon is providing the groundwork tools for the unassailable American Solar Hegemony.
The only thing that will break this reign is rebellion in the colonies, as it should be.

[Anonymous No.12157536]

>>12157428
Starlink is probably gonna get a billion dollars a year from the DoD just to be a permanent communications backbone. This is, one might be tempted to say, poggers.

[Anonymous No.12157543]

>>12157397

[Anonymous No.12157592]

>>12157418
Don't believe for a moment that Bezos thinks he'll ever die

[Anonymous No.12157596]

>>12157232
why are the engines droopy
why does skylon have droopy engines too

[Anonymous No.12157605]

>>12157596
planes aren't perfectly stiff, the wings are droopy because there's no lift at mach 0 on the ground

[Anonymous No.12157606]

>>12157596
As the plane flies with a very slightly nose-up position, it presents the intakes straight on, maximizing their airflow during shallow climbs at high speeds, which is a lot of what those aircraft will spend their time doing.

[Anonymous No.12157628]

>>12157428
>>12157536
Poggers is a new one on me, but it's got a nice ring to it

[Anonymous No.12157649]

>>12157628
Comes from twitch streams of overwatch (I think), because overwatch awards a "play of the game" or POG to a player after each match if they had a really good killstreak or whatever the hell.
Naturally, because it's twitch, the chats for streamers spammed pog constantly whenever it happened, and then started doing it anytime someone made a good play in general, and it bled over into streams for other games and morphed into "poggers."
Shockingly straightforward and sensible etymology compared to some other things.

[Anonymous No.12157652]

>>12157332
Watched your other vids. Good content. Agree with the other anon on the audio - you need to work on that. Maybe also need some kind of intro graphic and jingle, and you need to work on the pacing, maybe slightly better editing. Don't burn through all your ideas super quick either!
I'd spend some time watching some of the big spacex/space channels for tips. Good start though chap

[Anonymous No.12157655]

>>12157649
I'm pretty sure it's literally just from the emote pogchamp

[Anonymous No.12157673]

>>12157655
Well yeah but "pog" itself had to come from somewhere, the emote was a catalyst because that face is a brainworm

[Anonymous No.12157677]

>>12157673
It's interesting seeing a meme/internet slang come from somewhere else besides 4chan

[Anonymous No.12157680]

>>12157396
Yup, getting a new mic soon. Thanks for the feedback.

>>12157652
I'll see if I can work on a jingle over the weekend. I'll make sure to ration good ideas haha. As for the style, kinda going for a mix between Manley and EDA, where manley does more niche space vids and EDA is more beginner friendly. Don't want to get into the whole starship watcher thing just because it's really really oversaturated..

Editing needs to be improved though, but I'm happy with how It's going for the first week.

The algo definitely pumps starship vids though, this one got 80 views in an hour or two, while the salyut one hasn't gotten that in 3 days.

[Anonymous No.12157681]

>>12157673
I only know one kind of pog.

[Anonymous No.12157684]

>>12157677
When you see wide-proliferation memes coming out of a platform, it means there's the potential for genuine public community on that platform. As the internet matures we'll hopefully see more such platforms.

[Anonymous No.12157695]

Which one of you was it?

[Anonymous No.12157701]

>>12157695
Forgot pic lol

[Anonymous No.12157720]

How is SpaceX doing financially?
Obviously their budget becomes virtually inexhaustible once Starlink becomes big enough, but what about now?

[Anonymous No.12157722]

>>12157720
They raised 1 billion in private investment recently

[Anonymous No.12157729]

>>12157722
Sure, but how fast do they burn through a billion dollars while doing rapid R&D?

[Anonymous No.12157730]

>>12157332
>cost plus content
lmao

[Anonymous No.12157740]

>>12157722
>>12157729
There's lots of private investors lining up, the launch business isn't doing bad either.

>>12157730
I'm glad you like it.

[Anonymous No.12157747]

PSA: I've had sex with more hot white women than 90% of posters in this thread.

[Anonymous No.12157755]

>>12157747
Epic insecurity moment

[Anonymous No.12157761]

>>12157729
Since F9 has been flying regularly, Spacex has never had any issues raising money from private investors.

[Anonymous No.12157769]

>>12157747
wow. congratulations. this is so inspiring. thank you for this contribution to this thread about spaceflight. thank you.

[Anonymous No.12157777]

>>12157720
$3 billion on developing falcons + dragons, say $50 million per f9 launch for 100 launches would be $5 billion, so something around $10 billion in total costs for the 2010s and a budget of around $1 billion a year would be a rough guess.

[Anonymous No.12157805]

>>12155724
Aerospike is the rotary engine of rocketry.

[Anonymous No.12157837]

>>12157747
Thanks Elon, very cool.

[Anonymous No.12157857]

>>12157167
falls under 3

[Anonymous No.12157874]

Would wood be a useful building material on Mars?

[Anonymous No.12157877]

>>12157332
video request: "exploratory analysis" of markets that startship could "disrupt"

[Anonymous No.12157881]

>>12157874
I don't think so.
Would you grow it there at least? In that case it would be a oxygen factory. I guess you could use it as tunnel reinforcement.

[Anonymous No.12157892]

>>12157408
hydrogen is a jewish trick
>>12157877
the key point of a disruption is that there is a breakpoint through which no predictions will work

[Anonymous No.12157919]

>>12157874
No, not really. The structural demands for early martian construction lean more to metals, polymers, and polymer-impregnated rock aggregate or dust.
Now, wood or grass pulp might be a good aggregate in itself for polymers, and the production of it would pull dual duty as oxygen generation like >>12157881 said, but wood alone is not going to be a good structural material on Mars for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.12157933]

>>12157877
It's on the list. Seems like the answers would be fairly obvious, although looking into stuff like asteroid mining with starship disrupting the metal mining industry would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.12157934]

>>12157874
It'd be nice for chairs and other indoor furnishing shit

[Anonymous No.12157959]

>>12157919
>wood alone is not going to be a good structural material on Mars for a very long time
Why not?

[Anonymous No.12157966]

I'd really love to see a proof of concept for an asteroid mining/defence probe. Something that can use laser vaporisation to measurably alter the path of an asteroid.
How would it be powered though? Just a fuckload of solar panels?
I guess solar isn't too bad if it's around Earth's orbit, but it'd be a problem with the asteroid belt.

[Anonymous No.12157970]

>>12157966
Actually, how many watts of power are required per netwon of thrust for laser vaporisation? Does the data exist anywhere?

[Anonymous No.12157971]

>>12157959
It's porous, unsuited to extreme conditional gradients, and weaker than the alternatives in most applications. It can rot at a much faster pace than metal might oxidize or plastic might weaken. It has a non-uniform internal structure that has to be accounted for within the scope of construction engineering, whereas metal and plastics don't, for the most part.
Consider: would you prefer try to try and make a long-lasting pressure vessel out of pine or sheet steel?

[Anonymous No.12157974]

>>12157966
They've got an impactor mission. don't remember the name. Such a powerful laser would need a fuckhuge radiator system. I've watched styropyro and lasers get hot.

[Anonymous No.12157978]

>>12157971
>It's porous, unsuited to extreme conditional gradients
If it is used only inside, as a reinforcement that should not be a problem.

> It can rot at a much faster pace
Rot from what? The outside atmosphere is inert and the one inside is just like earth, so you care for it just like on earth.

>It has a non-uniform internal structure that has to be accounted for within the scope of construction engineering
It seems to work fine on earth.

>Consider: would you prefer try to try and make a long-lasting pressure vessel out of pine or sheet steel?
It can be used only as a structural reinforcement, you don't need to make everything out of wood.

[Anonymous No.12157983]

>>12156072
i literally do not give two shits

[Anonymous No.12158033]

What's the most efficient way to land on airless body?
In KSP I like to just enter a low orbit then drop down from there, since it can be done with a low TWR as you approach the ground very slowly the entire way. It feels like the best method, but I don't know if it's perhaps significantly less efficient than something else.

[Anonymous No.12158055]

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1309250702867394560?s=20

[Anonymous No.12158057]

>>12158033
a suicide burn. you want zero time under freefall as pssible.

[Anonymous No.12158075]

>>12158055
Sad that it goes to the military

[Anonymous No.12158140]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1309317126130339845
RVac test fire

[Anonymous No.12158142]

>>12158140
Wow.

>>12158075
Military has deep pockets.

[Anonymous No.12158157]

>>12158142
>Military has deep pockets.
For sure, doesn't make me less sad tho. Maybe we should tell the CIA there are commies on Titan so we can finally have our mission even if it glows.

[Anonymous No.12158170]

>>12157971
>It can rot at a much faster pace than metal might oxidize or plastic might weaken

Oh shit the wood rotted in the fuckin sterile Martian wasteland
Aliens confirmed

[Anonymous No.12158172]

>>12158075
Military use is the only way space projects get consistently funded by the government. Exploration is a nice luxury, but defense is a necessary function of the state.

[Anonymous No.12158179]

>>12158172
This guy gets it. If the military is behind something like starlink(and by extension starship), shelby could be president and we'd still get it.

[Anonymous No.12158188]

Raptor Vacooom

[Anonymous No.12158191]

>>12158188
Source?

[Anonymous No.12158193]

>>12158191
SpaceX

[Anonymous No.12158199]

>>12158193
*twitter

[Anonymous No.12158200]

>>12158188
Confirmed, Starship can fire all engines even at sea level.

[Anonymous No.12158203]

>>12158193
Yeah I'm dumb as fuck, first place to look

[Anonymous No.12158214]

>>12158203

[Anonymous No.12158218]

>>12158214
Vacoom raptor vs Sea level raptor

[Anonymous No.12158220]

>>12158188
aaaaaaaaaa im g.. g.gonna THROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST

[Anonymous No.12158230]

>>12158188
K I N O
I I
N N
O O

[Anonymous No.12158231]

>>12158214
I like big nozzles; and I cannot lie.

[Anonymous No.12158239]

>>12158188
God raptors are sexy

[Anonymous No.12158258]

>>12158188
>>12158214
Raptor is going to be F1 level iconic if Starship works

[Anonymous No.12158330]

>>12158188
i came

[Anonymous No.12158332]

>>12158188
that shock diamond tho. got dayum.

[Anonymous No.12158359]

>>12158188
Looks like an RS-25

[Anonymous No.12158370]

>>12158239
>>12158188
>alright hoss, it's time to go
THWEE THWUMP WOOOOOOSH

[Anonymous No.12158392]

>>12158359
Except cheaper and better and... bros I'm gonna coom unironically. Elon keeps delivering. Sometimes I get a little pissed that every /sfg/ edition seems to be Starship related- but Musk deserves all the attention he gets. Starship is fucking awesome

[Anonymous No.12158421]

>>12158200
Why didn‘t the nozzle get torn apart? Did they shorten it or something?

[Anonymous No.12158428]

>>12158140
full duration and it didn't blow up?

[Anonymous No.12158436]

>>12156870
>Anna L. Fisher
What an unfortunate name.

[Anonymous No.12158446]

>>12158231
you other thrusters can't deny

[Anonymous No.12158448]

>>12158188
Why is the RS-25 100 million dollars per unit again bro's?

[Anonymous No.12158453]

>>12158448
Aerojew Shekeldyne has a Senator on the payroll.

[Anonymous No.12158519]

>>12158436
I didn't realize before
oh man

[Anonymous No.12158581]

holy shit guys, the return of Black Ice

[Anonymous No.12158584]

>>12158581
>No reverse image search results
That is a pretty little wind tunnel model there.

[Anonymous No.12158586]

>>12158584
it's from Stratolaunch, they're testing some sort of hypersonic vehicle for the military

[Anonymous No.12158619]

>>12158586
I remember, its one of three proposals for a spaceplane they have. The wind tunnel one is the smaller one.

[Anonymous No.12158626]

>>12158188
powerfuk

[Anonymous No.12158629]

>tfw need to finish writing soil infiltration reports but busy watching raptor firing videos instead

[Anonymous No.12158673]

>>12158629
What’s soil infiltration?

[Anonymous No.12158684]

>>12158673
how fast a soil absorbs water

[Anonymous No.12158695]

>>12158684
Interesting. Don’t know if larger or smaller particle sizes would lead to greater infiltration

[Anonymous No.12158707]

>>12158695
generally the larger the particles the higher infiltration is since there's larger pores for it to flow through, but also it holds less water over time
so far example really sandy soils all the water just goes right in and then goes out somewhere, whereas silty and clay soils absorb water much more slowly but also hold it for a very long time
generally you want something in between, where it will hold a decent amount of water for a while but not so much as like pure clays where theres so much water that plant roots can't get any air down there either

[Anonymous No.12158725]

>>12157110
Dont turn your nose up at ANY job bro trust me, I was in the same place as you and its infinitely better to hunt for a good job when youre financially stable and independent

[Anonymous No.12158794]

Ominous

[Anonymous No.12158813]

Say it with me:
TEXAS
TANK
WATCHERS

[Anonymous No.12158819]

>>12158794
Soon.

[Anonymous No.12158837]

>>12158707
Geomorphology (which this touches on) is really interesting. Lots of studies on how the Soviets accidentally disrupted the thermal regime of the permafrost by building on it when the right techniques weren't known, with the result that massive heave/subsidence destroyed the Siberian cities they were trying to build. Their response was typically Soviet: 'just build stronger comrade!', so they started massively overbuilding with reinforced concrete. Didn't work of course.

Another interesting thing I learnt - in silty unconsolidated soil like Mexico city big buildings will sometimes just sink under their own weight. One solution is to excavate an equal mass to your building, with the result that the building is effectively floating.

Anyway hope you liked my blogpost

[Anonymous No.12158871]

>>12158837
>here's your railroad comrade

[Anonymous No.12158934]

>>12157874
bamboo is more likely

[Anonymous No.12158956]

>>12157874
do you think we could trick the aliens into trading huge areas of land for some pieces of wood?

[Anonymous No.12158957]

>>12158421
Because while it's an extended nozzle for vacuum, it's not a paper thin one cut down for minimum weight and 2-3 burns only, but intended to fly 1000 times.

[Anonymous No.12158974]

>>12156681
At that point we could just let the astronauts wear diapers the entire flight and jetison them out of a small airlock.
(wich may or may not be pointed to the chinese)

[Anonymous No.12159008]

>>12158974
i wanna sniff astro gf stinky diaper

[Anonymous No.12159041]

>>12159008
>Anon, my diaper is full and if I wear it any longer I'm goingt to get an UTI and we ran out of diapers.
>Yours is still clean, can we please swap?
>I-I can't hold it any longer I need to poo, oops, too late
>Can we still swap?

[Anonymous No.12159074]

>>12159041
Die

[Anonymous No.12159085]

Baking next thread.

[Anonymous No.12159091]

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