Why can't we create a breeding program for the profoundly gifted? Our civilization depends on high genetic intelligence to maintain this level of technology.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:22:10 2020 No.12148738 [DELETED]

Why can't we create a breeding program for the profoundly gifted? Our civilization depends on high genetic intelligence to maintain this level of technology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:22:30 2020 No.12148739 >>12148738 Because that's baaaaaad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:25:16 2020 No.12148742 >>12148738 The Khoisan don't seem to be bothering anyone. An advanced society is a program for the gifted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:26:04 2020 No.12148746 Because in the game of reproduction everyone plays for themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:29:08 2020 No.12148751 File: 47 KB, 800x500, dysgenics.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12148739 If they can do this so can smart people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:29:53 2020 No.12148754 >>12148738 Who is happier?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:30:20 2020 No.12148755 File: 57 KB, 500x340, how-does-the-collective-physical-and-mental-well-being-of-38771180.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12148742 >>12148746 Individualism is sociobiological suicide.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:31:25 2020 No.12148757 >>12148754 The collective technological progress of a society > one neurotransmitter Get a grip

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:37:51 2020 No.12148768 >>12148739 Please be joking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:39:14 2020 No.12148771 >>12148754 Cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:41:26 2020 No.12148777 >>12148738 khoisan seem to be some of the better blacks

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:41:51 2020 No.12148781 >>12148738 >breeding programs like people are gonna be happy with that. It's gonna get smartasses pissed off too

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:42:52 2020 No.12148784

Eugenics is nonsense. The human brain "wanted" to get larger, but stopped because larger heads kept killing the mothers in birth. When dog breeders try to control for desirable traits they end up causing diseases.
And IQ is about abstraction. Not a cause of modernity, but a result of it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhW9uI

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:47:44 2020 No.12148793

>>12148738
First of, there is no proof for "genetic intelligence", which would result in highly questionable ways of deciding who can reproduce and who can't.
Second, there are more than enough examples of people, who had a really poor family background, but got far in life. I knew a girl, whose parents didn't finished high school, her dad became a stripper and left her early on. She is in law school bow and graduated with very good grades.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:48:22 2020 No.12148796 >>12148757 it's not just any one neurotransmitter

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:48:36 2020 No.12148797 File: 513 KB, 4096x1756, 1600786114151.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't want to breed. We must drive the human race to extinction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:51:35 2020 No.12148803 >>12148797 Why not simply kys with such attitude?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:53:03 2020 No.12148808 >>12148803 That wouldn't end the human race

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 10:59:51 2020 No.12148827 >>12148793 Yes there is in fact there's nothing but endless mountains of it. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N2PFJPO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:00:53 2020 No.12148833 >>12148797 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZhxdGWSxI

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:01:19 2020 No.12148834 >>12148827 Maybe the right thing to do is to go extinct?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:01:51 2020 No.12148835 >>12148793 that doesn't even compare to iq you goddamn brainlet Diligence =/= iq

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:03:03 2020 No.12148838 >>12148833 see>>12148834

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:03:16 2020 No.12148839 Chinks have high IQ and there's more than enough chinks on this planet.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:05:15 2020 No.12148844

>>12148784
>Not a cause of modernity, but a result of it.
So then what caused modernity? Did it spawn out of someones ass? Or perhaps it was intelligent people who invented ideas to advance our civilization? What sounds more pausible to you?

>>12148793
>there are more than enough examples of people, who had a really poor family background, but got far in life.
That's an argument for genetic intelligence, not against it. You're probably aren't aware of it but genetics are multigenerational and not just dependend on your parents alone, which is why people can look closer to their grandparents than their parents. If she is smarter than her parents than it means she inherited her intelligence from someone else in her ancestry or had a lucky mutation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:07:45 2020 No.12148850 >>12148844 Who are you to tell intelligent high IQ people what to do? They don't want to breed. Simple as.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:11:03 2020 No.12148859 >>12148839 Chinks and many other Asians care more about "face" than anything else which is why they fake the shit out of a lot of data to make themselves look good, so it's actually hard to tell what their real average IQ is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:20:47 2020 No.12148886 >>12148784 >Selective breeding worked for a billion years but suddenly it doesn't anymore because if it did then that would make me feel bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:21:41 2020 No.12148891 >>12148738 It was called NCSSM.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:21:52 2020 No.12148892 We have exactly the opposite right now because the profoundly gifted refuse to breed, they aren't stupid after all

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 11:22:23 2020 No.12148893 to all brainlets in thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ZfrXHgiVY

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:00:30 2020 No.12148976 >>12148738 We already discussed it. Genetic engineering is the answer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:02:06 2020 No.12148980 >>12148808 It would end it in your perception. But don't worry we transhumanist are working towards the end of humanity and the beginning of posthumanity. As machine minds we will shape the universe I our image.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:04:05 2020 No.12148986 >>12148976 That's unnecessarily labor intensive. Putting smart ponos in smart vagoo and then waiting 9 months is easier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:11:30 2020 No.12149007 >>12148844 Missed my point. IQ is not the same thing as intelligence. >>12148886 It's called natural selection. It's different from eugenics because the goal is survival/reproduction not perfection as you naively interpret.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:16:26 2020 No.12149028 >>12148738 Anti semitic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:18:23 2020 No.12149035 >>12148738 Just make it law that: >People below national average IQ can have only one child (or must pay a lot of money to have more). >People above national average IQ can have as many children as they want (or get paid to have more).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:18:42 2020 No.12149036 >>12149028 Actually, we need more jews. They don't breed enough and those who breed are religious nutjobs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:19:52 2020 No.12149038 >>12148738 Market driven designer babies, gene therapy, cybernetic brain augmentation and possible drugs are far less invasive - than rounding people up for some dystopic breeding programs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:19:59 2020 No.12149039 >>12148986 Rolling loaded dices is still rolling dices. It's better to skip the game entirely and choose the prizes. The house always wins and with genetic engineering we got its keys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:22:30 2020 No.12149050 >>12149007 >IQ is not the same thing as intelligence. What do you think IQ stands for? Idiot Quotient?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:24:15 2020 No.12149053 >>12149038 >muh freedumbs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:24:50 2020 No.12149056 >>12148746 Retarded. The prime breeding strategy is having a cohesive and united race

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:34:25 2020 No.12149078

>>12149050
Merely semantics. Is police science a field of scientific discipline like physics? It's an umbrella term for stuff the deals with police work. Likewise IQ deals with one dimension of intelligence and has an origin story that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:45:05 2020 No.12149104

>>12149007
>It's called natural selection.
Correct and every social animal on the planet forces the weaker members out of the group to protect the integrity of their group. We did the same until politicians started to protect low tier people who are manipulated the easiest and therefore kept around in their own selfish interest. Everyone who is for the advancement of the human species is automatically for Eugenics, while those who are interested in keeping and manipulating low IQ subhumans to gain power are against Eugenics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:52:07 2020 No.12149128 >>12148738 >Why can't we create a breeding program for the profoundly gifted? it’s called the ivy league

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:53:26 2020 No.12149132 >>12148738 Because the more profoundly gifted the more difficult to 'get into a breeding program'. Small towns, built around elite-universities, like Heidelberg in germany, is natural eugenics

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 12:56:38 2020 No.12149144

>>12149078
>Likewise IQ deals with one dimension of intelligence and has an origin story that has nothing to do with intelligence.
Yet it is accurate enough to determine probabilities. If someone has a low IQ he has a higher chance of being a criminal, why do we know that? Because the average IQ of prisoners is lower than the population average. We also know that people with a higher IQ have a higher probability of ending up in academics or are otherwise successful. You can call IQ as inaccurate as you want, but if it's accurate enough to determine probabilities of crime and success than it's accurate enough to be used as a value for Eugenics to reduce crime and increase success. It's basic math.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 13:12:54 2020 No.12149200

>>12148738
Average Japanese can't survive in the African Bush if left alone with no technology. IQ memers have to feel good about themselves so they misinterpret what it actually measures because their societies are crumbling and are not so great as compared to what they're actually belittling.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 13:17:15 2020 No.12149218

>>12149200
Continued
The same societies that belittle the Africans have shows on natgeo hosted by so-called survivor experts who unironically teach the retarded insecure wage slaves how to survive in the bush as a form of entertainment to escape their miserable jobs and lives. Then they come here and make themselves feel good by comparing their capitalistic slave like societies with societies that are freer.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 13:35:20 2020 No.12149263 >>12149128 But those are super dysgenic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 13:35:21 2020 No.12149264 >>12149053 Yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 13:43:10 2020 No.12149289 >>12148738 It's a lot easier: Boost education. Learn and teach. Why even fat cats doesn't do this more, it's better to have quite office workers neighborhood than dirty shanks bum streets.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 13:59:38 2020 No.12149327

>>12149007
>It's called natural selection. It's different from eugenics
WRONG.
Man is not truly a force outside of nature no matter how badly we want to see ourselves as fundamentally different. The choices we make are no different than the sexual selection choices any other animal makes.
>perfection as you naively interpret.
Nobody said anything about perfection you fucking idiot, only refinement towards a goal, defined by selective pressure against perceived brainlets and physiological or neurologically dysfunctions. You don't have to be perfect, only consistently better than average.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 14:02:03 2020 No.12149340 >>12148738 Our society is already unintentionally running a breeding program. What do you think it is selecting for?

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 14:20:15 2020 No.12149386

>>12149104
It's a very interesting topic, but aside from that, it is not the case that animals purely cull the weak. It actually varies by species and circumstance. There are social animals that protect injured members like elephants dolphins, and pack hunters. Of course wolves will attack the weak as well, bullying is an aspect of hierarchical societies. But culling is found more so in animals that are prey.

>>12149144
Crime yes.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028961500077X

Success no.
https://www.verywellmind.com/are-people-with-high-iqs-more-successful-2795280

For crime its actually a very simple reason. Criminals commit crimes because they don't think they'll get caught. Or they don't think about consequences. It's a form of abstraction.
However this hasn't been disentangled with social circumstances. Take the marshmallow experiment. It made all these predictions, people were excited about the implications, but when social aspects were controlled and segmented in a follow up the previous conclusions were rendered moot.
Perhaps we should try the more modest solution of education first.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brainstorm/201806/how-much-does-education-really-boost-intelligence%3famp
Being reletavely trivial to implement and we can see reduced recidivism in criminal education.

Eugenics will not solve our problems. There is no silver bullet. Everybody thinks they have the answer but it's always more hard work needs to be done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:12:21 2020 No.12149540 >>12148738 >Comparing hunter-gatherers to sedentary society >Comparing people who live in a desert to an island

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:14:00 2020 No.12149547 >>12148754 Probably the hunter-gatherers considering Japan has a suicide forest.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:40:35 2020 No.12149604
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>>12149540
riddle me this big brain, how come evolution produce the same thing in two difference environments? there are no winters in south-saharan-africa, while there's winters to the north. All the places where people had to plan for the winter, we find civilized, big brained societies. in africa we only find stinky small brained african untermenschen. very yucky place and people if you ask me

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:54:51 2020 No.12149647

>>12149604
Not the one you are replying to, but I think you are projecting. Why are people you've never met taking so much really estate in your retarded brain? Is it because you recognized the retardedness in yourself? You are terrified that you might be more retarded than they are so you come here to shitpost with your fellow retards because there's nothing else to make you feel better about how retarded you are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:05:18 2020 No.12149670 >>12149604 >All the places where people had to plan for the winter Africans adapt around droughts and infrequent rain. All humans plan around the environment in different ways. It doesn't take much intelligence to plan around winter anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:18:44 2020 No.12149699 >>12149647 >lets it slip that he has to carefully budget brain space to not end up confused >tries to call someone else retarded

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:19:03 2020 No.12149704
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>>12148738
Meanwhile here in the US, they induce with pitocin, clamp, vaccinate, inject vitmain k, circumcise, chlorinate, fluoridate, brominate, irradiate, don't breast feed, feed soi formula, glyphosate, atrazinate, etc. And all the golem say "oh that's fine, do whatever you want with me, yes master, I'm fine being raped, rape me more, rape my children I'll go ahead and look the other way, I'll even help gang rape anyone too weak to say no, whatever you say."

Shameful display.

>>12149547
lol. IQ put to good use, a society organized enough to have many people go to the same forest to kill themselves when they can't bear the anguish of existence anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:42:07 2020 No.12149779 >>12149699 What happened anon did you get an 80 on an online IQ test, is that what's bothering you, don't be shy /sci is a friendly place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:52:47 2020 No.12149801 >>12148793 >I knew a girl That's called 'I know an anecdote' not 'I have evidence'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:54:23 2020 No.12149805 >>12148738 You'll have to admit that schizphrenia is being smart, if you go by genetics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:54:39 2020 No.12149807 >>12148754 If feeling happy is your highest priority start injecting heroin right now

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 18:06:15 2020 No.12150006 >>12148738 There is a name for this. It's called Eugenic.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:11:25 2020 No.12150402

>>12148859
>which is why they fake the shit out of a lot of data to make themselves look good, so it's actually hard to tell what their real average IQ is.

So the many STEM PhDs that go to Asians in the US (10 times more than their population would indicate) is all because they're faking it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:13:12 2020 No.12150413 >>12148755 collectivism is sociobiological cuckoldry

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:39:18 2020 No.12150495

>>12149104
one of the primary driving strengths of humanity is that we don't drive out our weak, humanity literally doesn't have a diverse enough gene pool to survive doing that. you can go to the most ass-backwards and uncontacted tribes, and the disliked failures have their place. they don't have children, and they get no respect, but they have their place in the group, and should an event arise where they have an unknown skillset, that tribe succeeds via the previously unwanted member. our social net of inclusion is so wide it spreads out into other species; cats, dogs, livestock animals, etc. it's one of our greatest strengths.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:08:53 2020 No.12150585 >>12150413 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:43:40 2020 No.12150686

>>12148738
>Why can't we create a breeding program for the profoundly gifted?
How do you know we don't?
If it existed why would anyone advertise it?
What kind of delusions are in your head to think you're be on anything besides the red-list when it comes to being considered for breeding ubermench?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 01:15:25 2020 No.12151269 Because if someone agrees to be bred, then he isn't "profoundly gifted"

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:00:10 2020 No.12151335

>>12148859
4chan niggas keep coping with this retarded nigger tier denial lmfao. Even Mongolia has a higher average IQ than most Western countries, you'd have to be a brainlet or deluded to not admit that East Asians are on average higher IQ than whites/blacks

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:13:46 2020 No.12151360 >>12148738 >Khoisan Did they just apply a regular IQ test to the Khoisan that picture doesn't make it look like they grow up in an environment that is similar enough to ours to expect meaningful results from the test.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:22:22 2020 No.12151373 >>12151360 IQ totally isn't racist guys.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:23:48 2020 No.12151377 >>12148738 >high genetic intelligence how does genetic intelligence differ from intelligence?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 04:24:22 2020 No.12151674 >>12148757 KEK. this is what techtards actually believe

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 04:49:04 2020 No.12151744

>>12151335
If that is true, why would we care about higher IQ? I mean, despite its faults, Europe is still generally better off with a lower average IQ and will be better off simply because its full of Europeans. Or is that the point you were trying to make?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 05:35:10 2020 No.12151836 >>12148859 Collectivism means everyone wants the smart person being a part of their group. Insividualism means the exact opposite, a smart person is nobody's friend, because they are competition.

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 05:39:48 2020 No.12151848

>>12150585
Bullshit theory used to explain away altruism without collectivism. But game theory makes it clear that tit for tat is the best strategy; there has not been invented a strategy that can defeat it, and even bittorent stood solely on that principle, even during the days when media companies intentionally tried to poison the torrents with corrupt data etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 05:42:11 2020 No.12151855 >>12148891 this

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