/sfg/ - Space Flight General.

[Anonymous No.12140485]

Space Silo's edition.

Previous thread: >>12136466

[Anonymous No.12140494]

Tonoight on es-eff-gee!

[Anonymous No.12140498]

ELT will be my girlfriend!

[Anonymous No.12140505]

Well, I'm switching to AMD now.

[Anonymous No.12140512]

>>12140497
But do zero-g submarines exist?

[Anonymous No.12140514]

>>12140498
>ELT
Elon Tusk?

[Anonymous No.12140515]

>>12140498
What is this why do you need this massive structure, it looks as if it can withstand an nuclear blast.

[Anonymous No.12140521]

>>12140485
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4225/documentation/mhh/mirheritage.pdf

Holy shit this is a gold mine. Thought I was going to need to dip into Mir to make a full length vid on soviet stations, but Salyut is just so fucking cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vThgsKfwIOQ

Gonna ask you guys one more time for tips on how to improve before I record a second video.

Any thoughts for a next video? Thinking about a video on Vulcan and the future of ULA, maybe fitting in some talk about Dreamchaser.

[Anonymous No.12140525]

>>12140515
for a big mirror

[Anonymous No.12140526]

>>12140525
Holy shit how is that mirror levitating

[Anonymous No.12140530]

>>12140498
>ELT
Egregiously Large Telescope?

[Anonymous No.12140533]

>>12140526
emdrives

[Anonymous No.12140534]

>>12140525
ty

[Anonymous No.12140535]

>>12140525
is there something holding the 2nd mirror in place or is it supposed to be in orbit?

[Anonymous No.12140536]

>>12140526
quantized inertia

[Anonymous No.12140538]

>>12140526
SRBs

[Anonymous No.12140539]

https://youtu.be/O4uOZnao7JM?t=7

We have to make this real,or our lives have meant nothing.

[Anonymous No.12140547]

OWL when bros

[Anonymous No.12140550]

>>12140547

[Anonymous No.12140553]

100km optical space telescopes when?

[Anonymous No.12140556]

[Anonymous No.12140558]

>>12140550
Elon should offer to send up a telescope this big for free. The astrononerds would freak out

[Anonymous No.12140566]

>>12140494
May, Hammond and I head to Russia and re-ignite the cold war with a space race against the American space industry to see who can get to space first. Us lot with the remnants of the Buran space project or NASA with there almost complete SLS program.

[Anonymous No.12140570]

>>12140566
That might actually be a fair fight.

[Anonymous No.12140571]

lunar radio astronomy WHEN

[Anonymous No.12140579]

>>12140521
idk maybe an indepth artemis moon landers comparison

[Anonymous No.12140581]

>>12140535
uses EMdrive

[Anonymous No.12140582]

>>12140566
How long until Hammond attempts to make a methane and oxygen propellant slurry?

[Anonymous No.12140583]

>>12140558
>build retardedly large space telescope to unlock the last mysteries of the universe
>blocks out the sun inducing global cooling
maybe these starlink astroniggers have a point. we need to cancel astronomy before it ruins the sky (and our civilization)

[Anonymous No.12140592]

>>12140579
Interesting, the only challenge is I think the performance spec haven't been fully disclosed. I'll look into it!

[Anonymous No.12140594]

>>12140494
Good news! The SLS is about to start it’s green run!

[Anonymous No.12140595]

>>12140494
We question the scientific (((cabal))) and take an EM Drive out for a spin around our track

[Anonymous No.12140599]

Whatever happened to french space guy's N1 documentary?????

[Anonymous No.12140603]

>>12140571
When those damn Germans on the south lunar pole shut off their leaky old 1940s radios.

[Anonymous No.12140607]

>>12140583
If such a telescope were placed in the Sun-Earth L1 point, then it would need to be at least 13,352 km in diameter. If this were an optical light telescope, then it would have an angular resolution of 1 nano arcsecond.

[Anonymous No.12140615]

>>12140607
and what could it resolve?

[Anonymous No.12140619]

>>12140599
killed by kgb agent

[Anonymous No.12140620]

>>12140615
Direct imaging of exoplanets.

[Anonymous No.12140623]

>>12140556
this is by far the stupidest thing i have ever made,but here

[Anonymous No.12140633]

>>12140623
>not making the two balls into frog eyes

[Anonymous No.12140634]

>>12140615
If my math is right, then such a telescope could barely directly image an Earth sized exoplanet from just over 127 thousand lightyears away. Can any opticsbros verify this?

[Anonymous No.12140648]

jack beyer is such an annoying cunt. i tried increasing playback speed on the the weekly nsf recap and he sounds even worse. i just want to punch him, i want him to cry

[Anonymous No.12140661]

>>12140566
Top Gear victory, 10,000 Chinese civilians eaten

[Anonymous No.12140665]

>>12140634
hmmm i wonder what resolution proxima b would be

[Anonymous No.12140667]

>>12140607
>>12140634
My math was wrong. An optical telescope of 13352 km in diameter would have a resolution of 10 nano arcseconds, and could directly image an Earth sized exoplanet just over 13 thousand lightyears away.

[Anonymous No.12140671]

probe downlink speeds that arent garbage when?
fusion powered laser communications when?

[Anonymous No.12140672]

>>12140623
missed opportunity for the globes to be frog eyes

[Anonymous No.12140678]

>>12140665
You'd be able to make out the shape of the continents if a planet there had one.

[Anonymous No.12140681]

>>12140667
WHAT ABOUT PROXIMA B?? CAN WE MAP CONTINENTS????

[Anonymous No.12140684]

>>12140193
I wonder how this well this quantized inertia theory holds against some of the more recent discoveries showing that there are a small number of galaxies whose rotational curves DO behave like bog-standard relativistic gravity says they should. These seem difficult to explain with any modified gravity type theory; with dark matter, well they can be explained as not having much for some freak reason.

[Anonymous No.12140685]

>>12140678
whoops i missed this before i send my angery post

[Anonymous No.12140688]

>>12140681
Anything smaller than 2 kilometers wide would be a blur, so yes unless you count every small island a continent.

[Anonymous No.12140693]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtQzgbju74

[Anonymous No.12140700]

ayaks when?

[Anonymous No.12140715]

>>12140526
geostationary orbit

[Anonymous No.12140722]

>>12140684
A guy that seemed to have an actual background at astrophysics and that talked with McCulloch about QI posted a few threads back and basically said that QI is mostly quackpottery even if the em drive works.

[Anonymous No.12140724]

>>12140700
Basically its using an mhd gen to handle the shock front from supersonic flight right?

I find it hard to believe this could work better than a ramjet since mhd has such abysmal efficiency

[Anonymous No.12140727]

>>12140684
How fast are these galaxies spinning? At higher accelerations, the QI drag effect should be minimal.

[Anonymous No.12140749]

>>12140727
Slower than other galaxies - the whole galactic rotational curve issue is that the stars in (most) galaxies are going around the center much faster than they should; the visible matter having insufficient gravity to keep stars from flying off. Which leads to two hypothesis - the first is that there is a bunch of invisible stuff with mass holding things together, or that gravity at large scales works differently. Those recently discovered galaxies have stars & gas clouds rotating around the center more slowly, in line with what are standard gravity models predict.

[Anonymous No.12140775]

Hydrogen sulfide rockets WHEN?

[Anonymous No.12140778]

>>12140693
cool shit. They've got a very interesting architecture (just use the sun for everything lol) and are designing their spacecraft to be launched on starship

[Anonymous No.12140789]

>>12140775
Imagine the smell.

[Anonymous No.12140823]

>>12140749
>or that gravity at large scales works differently.

How come no one talks about this, because it's a boring answer? Couldn't you just look if galaxies follow this pattern?

[Anonymous No.12140825]

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-09/19/c_139381597.htm

>Beijing's Haidian district plans to build a hundred-billion-yuan (about 14.8 billion U.S. dollars) aerospace industry cluster in the northern region of the city's Zhongguancun Science City.

>With a total construction area of nearly 1 million square meters, the project will include three functional zones that focus on satellite internet innovation, Beidou satellite navigation, and space information services, as well as scenario applications.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202009/18/WS5f640a3ca31024ad0ba7a4ab.html

>Shandong to establish new rocket factory
>Complex to build 20 solid-propellant Long March 11 carrier craft every year

[Anonymous No.12140833]

>>12140823
I think that breaks some laws about conservation of energy if done plainly, plus people have found galaxies that work normally, so it can't be that.

[Anonymous No.12140838]

>>12140607
>>12140634
>>12140667
How about we put it at L4/L5 instead?
Then we don't have to worry about it affecting Earth and we can get loads of cool new space pictures.
>>12140749
>>12140823
It seems pretty obvious that the laws of the universe work differently at different scales.

[Anonymous No.12140839]

>>12140833
>This violates my sacred holy laws so it must be wrong

“””Scientific””” religion

[Anonymous No.12140843]

>>12140825
how far behind is china at this point? they still blow up quite a few rockets, and now they wanna build a falcon ripoff to send chinkers to the moon. at the same time they scale up industry for solids?

[Anonymous No.12140846]

>>12140825
China will force the issue of space commercialization and colonization. The wokeinati will look increasingly farcial in their "nooooooo you can't gather dust on the moon it is colonialism" mantra as a totalitarian hellnation pushes to gain an advantage over the West.

[Anonymous No.12140848]

>>12140839
based and perpetualmotionpilled

[Anonymous No.12140854]

>>12140839
Conservation of energy have been consistently tested and resulted in the same results since Newton. It won't suddenly be thrown away just because of a hypothesis to a particular phenomena that is not even the most popular one.

[Anonymous No.12140861]

>>12140846
we wont have to worry so long as ol musky pulls through to bring down costs. money talks, and marxists/commies have always been on the wrong side of history. the invisible hand will fist them

[Anonymous No.12140869]

Why the fuck is small launch still a thing and why the fuck are there 100 over companies building TSTOs?

[Anonymous No.12140873]

>>12140854
if i stick 2 conductive plates real close together they spontaneously experience inward compressive motion-isn't that kind of a violation of conservation of energy?

[Anonymous No.12140875]

>>12140848
>Perpetual motion don’t real
>Undetectable dark energy pulling matter away from other matter faster than the speed of light real

[Anonymous No.12140887]

[Anonymous No.12140888]

>>12140869
Still an emerging market, they will start to die off and merge in a few years.

[Anonymous No.12140889]

>>12140875
the universe is a big goatse

[Anonymous No.12140890]

>>12140869
>Why the fuck is small launch still a thing
Space industry is severely hampered by access to space. Even the Falcon 9 is still too expensive to open up space to a wider array of industry. Thus the only way for a startup to break into the space industry without substantial government support is to make small launchers.

[Anonymous No.12140893]

>>12140873
wait a minute...if i can vary whether a material is conductive or not,couldn't you use that to in principle extract casimir energy? Consider a system involving 1 flat conductive surface that is stationary and a freely moving pendulum with a flat side that impacts the stationary conductor. If I can "turn off" the conductivity of the pendulum right as it makes its impact after being ever so slightly accelerated by the casimir force, then it does not experience any casimir resistance when moving away but still gains the initial push from the casimir effect as the two faces moved close together.

[Anonymous No.12140895]

>>12140888
>>12140869
more importantly, why the fuck do they last as long as they do? why arent all these venture capitalists focusing on the businesses starship enables instead of trying to make chump change on cubesat launches?

[Anonymous No.12140906]

>>12140895
>expecting VCs to be rational

Juicero got 120 million dollars for an over-designed wifi enabled packet squeezer.

[Anonymous No.12140912]

>>12140895
>why arent all these venture capitalists focusing on the businesses starship enables instead of trying to make chump change on cubesat launches?
Because despite our knowledge and enthusiasm about Starship, it still hasn't proven itself yet. Much in the same way it took a while for Falcon 9 to prove itself to others.

[Anonymous No.12140916]

>>12140906
the most mind-boggling is virgin galactic. its value is unconscionable, and it's going to disappoint a lot of people. who is the average virgin galactic investor anyway? retards?

[Anonymous No.12140919]

>>12140895
Look up how many aircraft manufacturers there were in the early 1900s then notice how they all died or were brought out by the 50/60s. All of this has happened before...

[Anonymous No.12140922]

>>12140912
that's what investment and risk is all about though, right? instead they're jumping on the bandwagon and the field is saturated. it's a race to the bottom

[Anonymous No.12140930]

>>12140919
Good point, but they wont sell for anything near the amount invested. at least early aircraft could be made out of sticks and paper mache

[Anonymous No.12140931]

>>12140916
I'm old af (32) and vividly remember when VG was hot shit-a company funded by a billionaire that talked a lot about reusable vehicles and was willing to push the envelope. But that company is something like 12 years late at this point and has been lapped in practicality at every turn. i'm not going to say that its space tourism idea won't find a market-rich people buy shit that makes this service look cheap all the time-but it's no longer something I care about. I care about destroying the distinction between our lives and space.

Going to space shouldn't be a fun ride for some rich fuck-it should be normal. Boring. Routine. Musk is working on that with his Starship. Everyone else needs to shut the fuck up and start playing catch-up.

[Anonymous No.12140933]

>>12140823
There has been plenty of consideration given to various modified gravity theories, however various other observations have all pretty much favored the dark matter theory. Aside from those small number of galaxies whose rotation does match up with what standard gravity predicts, there are also objects like the bullet cluster where the gravitational lensing we observe does not line up with the visible matter. That is easy to explain if dark matter is a thing, but doesn't fit modified gravity theories.

[Anonymous No.12140936]

>>12140873
People that deal with quantum physics are very anal about the casimir effect obeying conservation of energy, so I am gonna trust them on this one.

[Anonymous No.12140945]

Bob's heart may belong to Mars, but he will promote anything that gets more money into space. God bless his little bald head.

[Anonymous No.12140946]

>>12140895
agreed, there are so little in space companies that bring value to the economy??Instead of a LEO market, venture caps should be going ahead with a cis lunar economy which will inevitably bring much more value than a LEO economy.

[Anonymous No.12140950]

>>12140931
By the time Virgin Galactic is ready to start operating SpaceX will have made it possible for VG's primary target demographic to just pay someone to build a space habitat as if it were their next Bahamas summer mansion.

[Anonymous No.12140951]

>>12140936
Right, but in order for it to work they have to acknowledge that there is this weird as fuck energy field at all points in space and time that can swoop in and add energy to a system. It kind of makes the idea that the conservation of energy is simple seem misleading.

[Anonymous No.12140955]

>>12140494
James May is put in charge of SLS development.

[Anonymous No.12140957]

>>12140931
when ss1 won the x-prize everybody was celebrating that commercial space had officially arrived. i still worry that elon's gonna go bust with starship and spacex is gonna go the way of virgin, but he's got to try.

[Anonymous No.12140959]

>>12140930
Narcissism would be my main guess and it's the in thing for governments to have a private space companies even if they are not very profitable so grants and subsidies probably make a lot of the offset..

[Anonymous No.12140960]

>>12140945
>build a ballon that literally FUCKS venus, in and out in and out, SOUNDING the atmosphere. zubrin is the greatest

[Anonymous No.12140969]

>>12140959
Some countries are relying purely on private space, which is really fucking dumb because most American space companies solely rely on DOD and NASA contracts to stay afloat.Even smallsat companies like Planetlabs rely on NRO contracts.

[Anonymous No.12140972]

>>12140957
elon's got tens of billions in assets, starship is quite safe

[Anonymous No.12140973]

>>12140969
Plus even better, some governments are not financially supporting private space.Which is even more dumb.

[Anonymous No.12140974]

>>12140945
A Venus colony always struck me as pointless. With stuff such as the Moon, Mars, or Mercury, there is practical stuff that can be done commercially, such as mining and perhaps some industrial processes, but with Venus nothing can really be done there without fixing its godawful atmosphere first. Before that, the only thing it could export would be hot air, and we already have plenty of pundits here on Earth for that.

[Anonymous No.12140982]

>>12140973
was that true about rocket lab?

[Anonymous No.12140983]

Elon Musk is Howard Hughes playing the role of Hari Seldon

[Anonymous No.12140987]

>>12140525
It sure would be a shame if thousands more satellites were put into orbit making ground based telescopes pointless

[Anonymous No.12140998]

>>12140957
Spacex has a really solid engineering philosophy enforced by Elon which Virgin doesn't have. They're also going to have nearly bottomless pockets thanks to Starlink.

[Anonymous No.12141001]

>>12140974
lol zubrin never even floats (ha) that idea. I agree,venus is not a place to colonize but to study. a crewed outpost someday would be neat.

[Anonymous No.12141012]

>>12140982
Rocket Lab got NRO,DARPA, NASA contracts.Which is a much better outlook than some companies who need to do their R&D with their own funds.

[Anonymous No.12141014]

>>12140974
>the only thing it could export would be hot air
Cold air actually, condensed to CO2 ice.
I'm working on design concepts for ultra-low-orbit atmosphere scoop satellite planes that could potentially remove a great deal of Venus's atmosphere over a few centuries. It's going to be my Mars Direct, and I'll pointlessly rant about it at space conferences like Zubrin until I die.

[Anonymous No.12141015]

>>12141012
I mean from New Zealand. Or is that why Rocket Lab was quick to move headquarters

[Anonymous No.12141017]

It was uncharacteristically ballsy (by late NASA standards) for them to launch John Glenn when he was 77 years old. It makes me wonder about the next milestone, which is the first child to be sent into space. I wonder if one of the space tourism companies will pull the trigger on doing that sometime soon.

[Anonymous No.12141023]

>>12141014
Fusion powered ramjets?

[Anonymous No.12141025]

>>12141017
it had nothing to do with balls and everything to do with paying a political favor to a sitting senator.

russia should go back to throwing up the occasional dog into space if they want some good social media pub.

[Anonymous No.12141027]

>>12141025
>russia should go back to throwing up the occasional dog into space if they want some good social media pub.
Are there any cute Russian dog breeds?

[Anonymous No.12141032]

>>12141025
Eh,the guy retired from politics right after that,I think you're being partisan about it. He was mainly sent up as a guinea pig and he knew it-finding out how his old body would respond to freefall was very useful.

[Anonymous No.12141033]

Between starship, starlink, gradual reforms in space technology development, and a rising pro-space sentiment, I'm seeing a US space hegemony (and therefore de facto Earth hegemony) on the horizon that I don't think can really be overcome until there are eventually national splinter movements arising out in space itself.
Does anyone else feel it coming?

[Anonymous No.12141038]

>>12141015
I don't recall any NZ contracts but i do remember that a prime investor of the company is Callaghan Innovation which is owned by the NZ gov.

[Anonymous No.12141043]

>>12141033
yeap, right now, the world space industry is just satellites for the LEO economy which is limited to earth imaging and comm sats.What the US is doing now is setting up for a cis lunar economy which i believe will bring much much more value than a LEO based economy and much more than just launching cube sats.

[Anonymous No.12141045]

>>12141033
Yes. That's part of why anti American forces were so desperate in 2016 and are again today. A second Trump term would be ruinous for everyone but us and our allies.

[Anonymous No.12141046]

>>12141032

Well don't take it from me then, take it from Mike Mullane:

>Christa McAuliffe’s death on Challenger would finally open HQ’s eyes to that fact and the agency ended the passenger program…with one notable exception—John Glenn.

>I was a retired astronaut when I heard the news that seventy-seven-year-old Mr. Glenn had been assigned to fly on mission STS-95. Had NASA completely forgotten Challenger ? Glenn may have been a former astronaut and he may have been a national hero (he had been my hero when I was a child) and he certainly understood the risks, but he would still be flying the shuttle as a non–mission essential passenger for PR purposes. Forget all that claptrap about his geriatric studies. That was another NASA fig leaf to cover a powerful politician. If geriatric research in space was so important, why was NASA pushing older astronauts out of the cockpit? Story Musgrave was a six-time shuttle veteran and a card-carrying AARPer who had been moved out to pasture. No…when Mr. Glenn lifted off, he was just another politician using his power for personal gratification. In Glenn’s case he was also a part-timer whose advanced age added greater health risks to the mission than any part-timer before. It was insane. It was wrong. It was immoral. NASA Administrator Dan Goldin, who approved the mission, needed a time machine to go back and stand at Christa McAuliffe’s graveside ceremony. Maybe seeing her weeping family would have opened his eyes to the possibility he might have to hand Mrs. Glenn a folded American flag during an Arlington ceremony while facing this thought, "I let this man die on a lark."

[Anonymous No.12141050]

>>12141033
Once starship comes online, we don't have to give a shit about small sats and go back to gigantic space infrastructure projects like orbital fuel depots and space tugs.

[Anonymous No.12141051]

>>12141046
>When I heard that Administrator Goldin had suggested to the press other geriatrics would fly on the shuttle after Glenn, it was too much for me. I emailed an astronaut friend who was consulting for NASA and who had contacts among HQ managers. I asked him if NASA had lost its mind in putting Glenn aboard a shuttle, and if there was any truth to the press reports that other geriatrics would also fly. He replied that NASA had no intention of flying any more geriatrics and that “most NASA folks will tell you that the whole thing [flying Glenn] is a dumb idea, but not too dumb to actually do. In other words NASA believes chances are excellent it will turn out okay, and why not suck up some badly needed PR.” I was astounded by his answer. NASA was pressing ahead with a “dumb idea” and relying on chance it wouldn’t end badly.

[Anonymous No.12141059]

>>12141033
That's assuming the US doesn't shatter into a super massive civil war.
If the worst really did come, what would happen to Starship, Elon, and SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.12141061]

>>12141023
No, I'm working with known tech only, just at unprecedented scales.
Basically, the craft would be a satellite skimming the very upper edge of the Venusian atmosphere, at the point where it would need constant small amounts of thrust to counteract the drag. The thrust would be provided by solar-powered ion propulsion, taking the form of very robust CO2-breathing ion engines or a scaled up version of pic related.
It would scoop the rarefied atmosphere and compress it into dry ice blocks that would be ejected into a higher orbit for collection, but I'm still working on the mechanics of how to launch the blocks and how to prevent them from sublimating too quickly.

[Anonymous No.12141063]

>>12141059
Well, that's why you move Tesla to Austin.

[Anonymous No.12141067]

>>12141046
>>12141051
Well shit anon,I stand corrected. Very disappointing to realize that NASA is this corrupted,bit I guess I am just letting my childhood idolization get to me. Thank you for showing me this.

[Anonymous No.12141072]

>>12141059
They would be taken under the wing of the most pro-current-America nationalistic splinter government.
The groundwork for that is already in the works, with Elon moving so much of his operation base to Texas. I'm pretty sure he's even considering moving Tesla and Spacex headquarters there in the next ten years- he's rapidly souring on California. I can't blame him for that, and welcome the business to my state, but I wish he didn't have to bring so many fucking Californians with him.

[Anonymous No.12141073]

>>12141059
i have no idea how anyone could want a civil war right now-we're still dealing with a god damn pandemic and people want to have hundreds of thousands of people slaughtering each other and destroying supply lines and eroding all of our freedoms and rights? A civil war would DELIGHT China. They're probably actively stoking it.

[Anonymous No.12141075]

>>12141061
3D printer to wrap them and then just a piston to punch 'em out?

[Anonymous No.12141078]

https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1307535626582077441

Firefly are trucking along. God help them,it's a red ocean now.

[Anonymous No.12141079]

>>12141046
>>12141051
sounded like a safety overreactionary complete with emotional arguments

[Anonymous No.12141081]

>>12141073
Don't worry, when the US's various intelligence agencies think we're actually approaching a tipping point, they'll kick things into high gear and turn our current tensions with China into an actual war. That war will benefit internal US stability because the CCP can very easily be painted as the new Nazi Germany with only a tiny bit of embellishment. The fact that China can't match the US on military strength means we can drag out the war as long as necessary to get our political ducks in a row.

[Anonymous No.12141084]

>>12141079
I looked into it,and he has a point-NASA never ever put anyone nearly that old up, even after what they said about this only being the beginning of elder astro research. It does come off like a publicity stunt that was thinly veiled as for research purposes.

[Anonymous No.12141088]

>>12141081
...that almost sounds worse anon.

I just want this fucking country to calm down and try to get its shit together instead of being beholden to the hyperpartisan hatred of assholes. We can fix the US without resorting to mass killings OR a war with China.

[Anonymous No.12141089]

>>12140505
KEK

[Anonymous No.12141098]

>>12141075
I've been looking at plastic synthesis processes from the available gases. Some sort of flexible and reflective plastic coating that could be deposited on the blocks might work. I was also looking at just launching the blocks while in Venus's shadow and building up a mid-Venus-orbit dry ice "moon" that would have its own sunshade.
A piston wouldn't give enough orbital velocity, but an air cannon might do it.

[Anonymous No.12141099]

>>12141081
lol nuclar war wid ghina?? cia tat is absoltute GENIS

[Anonymous No.12141101]

>>12141072
How big are the supply chains that Elon relies on for Starship?
Most of the people who transport stuff around (both in general and for Elon specifically) would probably have no problem siding with someone who guaranteed their protection so long as they continued to transport stuff. But even a single attack on one of them who just so happened to be transporting something for Elon could be pretty disruptive. Everything related to Elon would likely end up targeted eventually just because he's rich.
>>12141073
Mostly just to rip the bandage off and get it over with.
But also China would be extremely fucked if America broke out into a civil war. Possibly the only way they'd benefit is America likely not coming to Taiwan's aid should it be invaded. Even just looking at how big of a hit their international shipping would take without the US Navy to defend shipping they'd be near crippled due to their own navy barely having the capability to defend their regional waters, let alone global trade routes. And all of this is still assuming that the rest of the world is fairly unaffected by a US civil war.

[Anonymous No.12141105]

>>12141101
is it evil of me to kinda want china to invade taiwan soon just so we can have mass-produced starships landing 100 tons of cargo at the taipei spaceport every 20 minutes

[Anonymous No.12141107]

>>12141105
How/why would China invading Taiwan ever make that happen?

[Anonymous No.12141110]

>>12141088
War with China is a good thing, though. It gets you the technological and infrastructure developments that come with wartime government spending habits (real wartime, not this MIC-sustainment middle east crap), and it removes the CCP as a political threat.
Lots of manufacturing capability could even be preserved in the US-ally mini-states formed postwar (though the bulk of the mainland will kinda go to hell), though I expect a good deal of that manufacturing will be split with India pretty soon.

[Anonymous No.12141111]

>>12141107
only way we can get sufficient supplies in fast enough to support a defense of the island

[Anonymous No.12141115]

>>12141101
>How big are the supply chains that Elon relies on for Starship?
Everything for Starship is fairly easy to source, I think. They even want to produce their own special steel alloy eventually.

[Anonymous No.12141118]

>>12141110
No it isn't you psychopath,people will die! Be maimed! Be left with psychological wounds that create depression and bleed across generations. Innocent Chinese and asian people in the USA will probably have a spike of racial violence and animosity against them that makes the covid uptick look like nothing. Our civil liberties will no doubt be curtailed. I LOATHE China but never ever want a war with them. Or a war with anyone.

[Anonymous No.12141119]

>>12141111
The Navy is pretty good at establishing and maintaining supply/transport chains to islands. It's kind of their job.

[Anonymous No.12141125]

>>12141118
>No it isn't you psychopath,people will die! Be maimed! Be left with psychological wounds that create depression and bleed across generations.

War is good. Become strong or die.

[Anonymous No.12141129]

>>12141125
chickenhawk

[Anonymous No.12141131]

>>12141110
We're having nuclear war with China (and that's a good thing)

[Anonymous No.12141132]

>>12141118
>you psychopath,people will die! Be maimed!
Correct on all counts. Geopolitics is a psychopathic game, empathy scales up very poorly.
You have WWI and WWII to thank for many of the technological and logistics advances you currently enjoy.

[Anonymous No.12141133]

>>12141129
Pussy. All real men desire to kill other men and take their stuff.

[Anonymous No.12141134]

>>12141119
yeah well what if they all get blown up by chinese cruise missiles first... and reentering starships on ballistic trajectories can outmaneuver missile attacks... i'll figure something out!

[Anonymous No.12141137]

>>12141061
solid state planes would be cool as fuck. the proof of concept / experiment video was so disappointing though. They basically threw the thing in a gym and it """flew""" like a paper airplane landing very soon after takeoff. I guess it was airborne for longer than without the engine? but still. couldn't they have tried for a sustained flight

[Anonymous No.12141138]

>>12141111
Starship has no place in the potential defense of Taiwan.
Almost everything about using it for such a thing falls apart at nearly every step of the way.
>>12141115
That's good to hear.
At least if push comes to shove the final frontier won't be delayed another 50 years.
>>12141118
That guy may be an edgelord but you're sort of Facebook tier. Serious conflict with China is almost guaranteed and the longer we wait the worse it'll be when it does inevitably come. Getting rid of them without WWIII is certainly preferred, but allowing them to continue to exist is not an option.

[Anonymous No.12141141]

>>12141134
>chinese cruise missiles

[Anonymous No.12141144]

>>12141137
it's like the wright brothers, anon

[Anonymous No.12141154]

>>12141132
>nuking eachother to the stone age
>technological advancement
idk anon

[Anonymous No.12141157]

Why has China never produced its own Korolev or its own Glushko? It's 2020 and they're still copying Salyut and Zond.

[Anonymous No.12141158]

>>12141144
enh, less so. The wright brothers:
>took off
>used a full scale vehicle
>piloted it
>did a (semi) sustained flight
where as the solid state one they catapulted it into the air and then it hit the ground and they called it flight. I mean by that logic we have solid state flight with a tennisball...

[Anonymous No.12141162]

>>12140983
I've read The Foundation, but still have idea what you meant by that

[Anonymous No.12141163]

>>12141141
这个人的答案是对的。中国第一!!!!

[Anonymous No.12141164]

>>12141158
and? solid state tennisballs are progress. flight is hard.

[Anonymous No.12141169]

>>12141163
very true, china #1 :DDD

[Anonymous No.12141184]

>>12141164
good point. Tell you what, I'll write up a cost plus research contract for you to develop this, but you need to use researchers from the university of Alabama, deal?

[Anonymous No.12141204]

>>12141138
If Starship is already being used for E2E transport then using it for rapid theater level logistics is entirely plausible

[Anonymous No.12141206]

>>12141162
Earth's society is crumbling and Musk is going to create a seed of democracy, meritocracy and high technology on Mars

[Anonymous No.12141217]

>>12141157
just harder to do nowadays with the low hanging fruits [relatively speaking] of science breakthroughs already picked

[Anonymous No.12141220]

>>12141061
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2017/09/low-earth-orbit-atmospheric-scoops.html
Sounds like you want to make one of these.
I've been playing with the concept of one, and its role in a space economy.

[Anonymous No.12141229]

>>12141154
>nuking eachother to the stone age
Won't happen

[Anonymous No.12141250]

>>12141220
Yep, just on planetary atmospheric depletion scales. I think you'd probably need to move a few large asteroids into Venus orbit to build an orbital colony and factory to produce enough of the scoop-craft.

[Anonymous No.12141286]

processing the entire moon into a telescope mirror when?

[Anonymous No.12141288]

>>12141229
yup, because there will be no war with china

[Anonymous No.12141326]

>>12141286
W-would this work?
>inb4 HULLO

[Anonymous No.12141327]

Spacex is so shitty that can't even blow up a steel tank, how can we trust them for human spaceflight?

[Anonymous No.12141331]

>>12141326
the scale would be a little impractical

[Anonymous No.12141332]

>>12141288
美国是个小人。中国是你爸。

[Anonymous No.12141355]

>>12141046
>Maybe seeing her weeping family would have opened his eyes to the possibility he might have to hand Mrs. Glenn a folded American flag during an Arlington ceremony while facing this thought, "I let this man die on a lark."
Bullshit. Glenn was one of the Mercury Seven. He knew the risks - he would have died doing what he absolutely loved.

[Anonymous No.12141363]

>>12140974
But the gravity tho

[Anonymous No.12141364]

>>12141061
Direct heat fission jets.

No need for heavy shields or worrying about radiation in the exhaust.

[Anonymous No.12141368]

>>12141088
>why won't these assholes stop subverting the country for personal gain
>88

[Anonymous No.12141382]

>>12141332
spank me

[Anonymous No.12141384]

>>12141364
Will it run for centuries without servicing?

[Anonymous No.12141392]

>>12141046
Mike Mullane is MAJOR jealous. and the whining about safety? big PUSSY energy bros

[Anonymous No.12141394]

>>12141332
动态网自由门 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 1989.6.4 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 Free uyghur Free Tibet 六合彩

[Anonymous No.12141396]

>>12141394
中國是未來

[Anonymous No.12141402]

>>12141396

[Anonymous No.12141406]

Winnie the Pooh in space when?

[Anonymous No.12141409]

uhhh guys
wouldn't solid oxygen/liquid hydrogen slush just instantly separate out due to the wildly different densities? you'd end up with a pile of solid oxygen snow underneath your liquid hydrogen

[Anonymous No.12141412]

>>12141402
>>12141394
so scary!

[Anonymous No.12141419]

>>12141384
It'll run longer than solar and batteries will. While providing more energy.

[Anonymous No.12141420]

>>12141409
just keep stirring it with a big electric motor

[Anonymous No.12141425]

>>12141409
just put pic related in the rocket

[Anonymous No.12141432]

>>12141406

[Anonymous No.12141433]

>>12141061
I'm glad you've found your hill to die on, anon

[Anonymous No.12141437]

polymeric nitrogen rockets when?

[Anonymous No.12141441]

Who is the most absolutely based spaceflight guy? I choose Oberth

[Anonymous No.12141452]

>>12141098
you could just use orbital mechanics to have your sunshade/solar panels/dry ice moon collect the dry ice by slamming into it, and then use another CO2 ion thruster to replace the energy lost due to this collision

you'd need a critical mass of CO2 to get this started though

[Anonymous No.12141453]

>>12141441
me on the left

[Anonymous No.12141456]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JBv4TFH4Bw
Why hasn't Elon just built this instead of shitty starship?

[Anonymous No.12141468]

>>12141420
>>12141425
Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here

[Anonymous No.12141472]

>>12141394
抄你妈, 哈哈LOL我不是中国狗。

[Anonymous No.12141484]

[Anonymous No.12141487]

>>12141456
HOW IS IT SO STABLE

[Anonymous No.12141491]

>>12141472
Based chinky! Haha

[Anonymous No.12141496]

>>12141487
reaction wheels, probably either clipped or hacked

[Anonymous No.12141512]

>>12140724
I think the idea is this;
1. Incoming hypersonic air is slowed down in the MHD generator, compressing it, but a good chunk of the thermal energy is converted to electrical energy because that's how MHD generators work
2. This colder, compressed air is mixed with fuel and burned, a la ramjet
3. The hot, high pressure exhaust expands through a nozzle, which also has an MHD accelerator in it, and thus the exhaust velocity and thrust are higher
3.5. Since the electricity to power the MDH accelerator comes from the MHD generator that slows and cools the incoming air in the first place, what you're effectively doing is trading a bit of weight and complexity in order to avoid a basically impossible thermal management problem that would otherwise require Skylon-levels of precooler dark arts. For the relatively small amount of heat generated in the MDH coils and the transmission cables you circulate an active cooling loop of fuel, and the same goes for the skin of the leading edges and other points of high heating. Cover every exposed surface in a highly insulating, highly thermally emissive TPS coating of varying thickness and off you go.

[Anonymous No.12141516]

>>12140775
When you figure out how to stop sulfur polymerization inside your engine lmao
You think kerosene is bad for deposits? RP-1 is what it is specifically because they've processed it to hell and back to wring out as many atoms of sulfur as possible.

[Anonymous No.12141517]

>>12140893
>shut it down

[Anonymous No.12141523]

>>12140893
That's basically Bob Woodward's Mach Drive idea. He's spent 40 years trying to get it to work.

[Anonymous No.12141529]

>>12141409
Just make sure the oxygen freezes into an open crystal lattice with enough space to incorporate a stoichiometric ration of hydrogen per unit volume. And don't sneeze or tap the side of the tank.

[Anonymous No.12141567]

>>12141529
sounds like the kind of propellent that belongs in an ssto graphene aerospike spacehelicopter

[Anonymous No.12141582]

zubrin zubrin

[Anonymous No.12141586]

>>12141567
No matter how many stages your vehicle has, if you use oxygen snow soaked in liquid hydrogen as your propellant, you'll only ever need to use a single one.

[Anonymous No.12141601]

frozen oxygen encapsulated in hydrogen ice pellets rockets when?

[Anonymous No.12141610]

>>12141025
Nah, there was at least a little science that could be done, since he had been up so long before. The other reason was that they grounded him back then basically because they didn't want to risk losing A Hero if another mission failed, especially after what happened to Gagarin. So he kind of got screwed out of being an astronaut for having been a first.
There was more fuckery with Jake Garn going up than John Glenn.
>Garn asked to fly on the Space Shuttle because he was head of the Senate appropriations subcommittee that dealt with NASA, and had extensive aviation experience. He had previously flown a B-2 Spirit prototype and driven a new Army tank.[8][9] STS-51-D was launched from and returned to land at the Kennedy Space Center, Florida. Its primary objective was to deploy two communications satellites, and to perform electrophoresis and echocardiograph operations in space in addition to a number of other experiments. As a payload specialist, Garn's role on the mission was as a congressional observer[10] and as a subject for medical experiments on space motion sickness.[1] At the conclusion of the mission, Garn had traveled over 2.5 million miles (4.0 million kilometers) in 108 Earth orbits, logging over 167 hours in space.
>The space sickness Garn experienced during the journey was so severe that a scale for space sickness was jokingly based on him, where "one Garn" is the highest possible level of sickness.[11] Some NASA astronauts who opposed the payload specialist program, such as Mike Mullane, believed that Garn's space sickness was evidence of the inappropriateness of flying people with little training.[9] Garn was in excellent physical condition, however, and began flying at the age of 16.[1] Astronaut Charles F. Bolden described Garn as "the ideal candidate to do it, because he was a veteran Navy combat pilot who had more flight hours than anyone in the Astronaut Office".[4]

[Anonymous No.12141612]

>>12141601
hrrr hrr gotta make my small sat kerlox TSTO first for muh cube sat hrrrr hrrr.

[Anonymous No.12141614]

>>12141610
>Some NASA astronauts who opposed the payload specialist program, such as Mike Mullane, believed that Garn's space sickness was evidence of the inappropriateness of flying people with little training

There he is again, folks. Mike is anti-fun lmao

[Anonymous No.12141617]

>>12141017
>that CA50 on the wire
based and casiopilled

[Anonymous No.12141663]

SpaceX should friction stir weld steel strips into a 12 m wide sheet. Anneal and then reharden to spec the sheets. Then hydroform it into tank domes.

[Anonymous No.12141670]

generatively designed beamed laser powered 3d printed nanotube geostationary gainzstations

[Anonymous No.12141701]

>>12141663
wow anon ur so smart have u ever thought about applying to spacex?

[Anonymous No.12141756]

>>12141010
Well, how else are you going to store your "premixed" rocket propellant?

[Anonymous No.12141767]

nuclear powered water stored direct hydrolysis to combustion chamber hydrolox spacetugs when?

[Anonymous No.12141786]

>>12141767
no because private sector is too focused on launching small fucking sats to LEO

[Anonymous No.12141789]

>>12141437
When you develop a force field to contain said polymeric nitrogen at a ridiculous pressure.

[Anonymous No.12141864]

I was reading recently about the man who first tested G force tolerance with either very early NASA or with the Army or Air Force. He pulled 47G as a human cannonball or something.

Does anyone know his name?

[Anonymous No.12141874]

>>12141864
>47G
how is that even possible
>goodbye vital organs

[Anonymous No.12141884]

>>12141874
That's why I'm looking back into it. Not sure I'm remembering but I do remember it was an unbelievable high figure.

[Anonymous No.12141897]

>>12141884
i'm probably wrong here cause i'm a tard but at 9.8m/s but that's like freefalling for 5 seconds and biting the dirt.

[Anonymous No.12141909]

>The record for peak experimental horizontal g-force tolerance is held by acceleration pioneer John Stapp, in a series of rocket sled deceleration experiments culminating in a late 1954 test in which he was clocked in a little over a second from a land speed of Mach 0.9. He survived a peak "eyeballs-out" acceleration of 46.2 times the acceleration of gravity, and more than 25 g0 for 1.1 seconds, proving that the human body is capable of this. Stapp lived another 45 years to age 89[17] without any ill effects.[18]
>The highest recorded G-force experienced by a human who survived was during the 2003 IndyCar Series finale at Texas Motor Speedway on October 12, 2003 in the 2003 Chevy 500 when the car driven by Kenny Bräck made wheel-to-wheel contact with Tomas Scheckter's car. This immediately resulted in Bräck's car impacting the catch fence that would record a peak of 214 g0.[19][20]

[Anonymous No.12141918]

>>12141909
Brilliant thanks.

[Anonymous No.12141940]

How come Starship has a higher LEO launch capacity than the Saturn V, yet is completely incapable of delivering to TLI without a refuel, and even with a refuel Saturn V can deliver more?

[Anonymous No.12141948]

>>12141940
well if that payload is a hydrogen upper stage + lander then it can :^)

[Anonymous No.12141952]

>>12141940
sv 3rd stage + apollo with it's own engine vs dragging a fuckoff huge starship the entire way and back.

[Anonymous No.12141956]

>>12141940
Ooooh nevermind I think I get it
Saturn V had a very low TWR, so heavily loading it would cause it to waste tonnes of delta-V just fighting gravity. Starship has twice the thrust, so even if it has less delta-V, it spends far less of that delta-V fighting gravity when under a heavy load.
But when it comes to much lighter TLI loads, the Saturn V's higher delta-V wins out, since it's not wasting lots of that delta-V fighting gravity.

[Anonymous No.12141963]

>>12141956
3 stages vs 2.

[Anonymous No.12141964]

>>12141956
No, also Starship beats Saturn V to TLI once you refuel Starship
Saturn V has a better TLI throw capacity because it has more stages

[Anonymous No.12141973]

>>12141952
also all parts of sv bar the crew were disposable, vs all parts including (hopefully) the crew of starship are reusable.
love the saturn v. wish it'd been iterated on instead of going with the shuttle. but it's an entirely different vehicle.

[Anonymous No.12141998]

did it pop?

[Anonymous No.12142002]

>>12141998
no. which when you're developing something designed to bellyflop atmosphere vs nearly linear loadings in normal rockets is a very good thing.

[Anonymous No.12142006]

>>12141484
Harem protagonist?

[Anonymous No.12142007]

>>12141998
Nope.
What I don't get though is why? Do they simply not have the equipment to overpressurise to such a degree? Did they decide they were satisfied and just wanted to keep the fuel tank more than they wanted to know the absurd pressure it would require to rupture?

[Anonymous No.12142010]

>>12142007
assuming the former because the latter;
>just wanted to keep the fuel tank
doesn't make much sense.

[Anonymous No.12142017]

>>12142010
Maybe they want to brew a really fucking big batch of beer?

[Anonymous No.12142020]

>>12142002
>>12142007
I hope they found a magical alloy.

[Anonymous No.12142029]

>>12142020
it becomes worse when you consider a returning starship doesn't have the tank pressure that a launching one had because you've spent most of the fuel. the structure of the thing given that and that it's aerodynamically loaded totally different to any rocket before it is fucking mind bending. and it's being built in a tent in a field. and it seems to be working.

[Anonymous No.12142037]

>>12141326
that'd be more of something isaac arthur would discuss

[Anonymous No.12142077]

>>>/pol/278359875
Fascinating.

[Anonymous No.12142083]

>>12142077
This is why you filter memeflags.

[Anonymous No.12142091]

>>12142077
>How did small batteries inside a backpack run an air conditioner inside an oven as well as a heater inside liquid nitrogen?
they didn't. they were passively cooled/thermally insulated. very clever shit.
>The porous plate sublimator had a metal plate with microscopic pores sized just right so that if the water flowing under the plate warmed to more than a user-comfortable level, frozen water in the plate would thaw, flow through the plate, and boil to the vacuum of space, taking away heat in the process. Once the water under the plate cooled to a user-comfortable temperature, the water in the plate would re-freeze, sealing the plate and stopping the cooling process. Thus, heat rejection with automatic temperature control was accomplished with no sensors or moving parts to malfunction
/pol/ is dumb as shit

[Anonymous No.12142098]

>>12142091
Holy shit it's the ultimate swamp cooler.

[Anonymous No.12142101]

>>12142091
>/pol/ is dumb as shit
And water is wet. Here's Bob with sports.

[Anonymous No.12142107]

>>12142077
/pol/ is full schizo when it comes to space stuff and is far and away the subject you should avoid most there (which is saying something)

[Anonymous No.12142108]

>>12140485
Are there any renders or illustrations of what the Boca Chia spaceport will look like in 10 years? When it's an actual 'rocket factory'

[Anonymous No.12142119]

>>12142108
it will look derelict, rusted, years out of use since spacex's bankruptcy in 2023

[Anonymous No.12142120]

>>12142108

[Anonymous No.12142132]

How long will it take for spacex to become so big and so profitable that they will hire someone with no experience?

[Anonymous No.12142133]

>>12142108
there were some very scarce renders in that old environmental impact thingy if i remember? which they barely followed at all lmao

maybe they'll show something of their plans in october (if there are any birds listening)

[Anonymous No.12142134]

>>12142120
taken from that stupid star wars movie

[Anonymous No.12142136]

>>12142134
did star wars ruin spaceflight? answer: yes

[Anonymous No.12142143]

>>12142037
>HUWWO

[Anonymous No.12142144]

>>12142136
it did

[Anonymous No.12142157]

>>12142143

[Anonymous No.12142158]

>>12142132
2070, under the Chinese space program.

[Anonymous No.12142159]

>>12142158
oh no not you again, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12142179]

when is our boy doing the yearly presentation?

[Anonymous No.12142184]

>>12142179
OCTOBER I LITERALLY JUST SAID

[Anonymous No.12142190]

>>12142184
HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12142192]

>>12142184
i can't hear the things you say, anon, you have to post them here

[Anonymous No.12142194]

>>12142134
Ha ha, I got that from here, but seriously, here is the only other future Boca Chica pic I have. If this is right, I guess they'll start making pads along the shoreline.
But this doesn't say anything about the factory side, I don't think even they know what it'll look like, it sort of organically grows based on what happens as the manufacturing evolves.

[Anonymous No.12142197]

>>12142190
No hop until SN7.1 dies first. That happens tomorrow night if Hurricane Beto doesn't try to disarm them.

[Anonymous No.12142205]

>>12142197
if they strap it down the tank farm will go before sn7.1 does.

[Anonymous No.12142212]

>>12140594
Great!
Now Elon has just announced, that genetically engineered catgirls will hit the market as early as 2025.

[Anonymous No.12142216]

A future factory will look exatcly like any other large factory. A very large, rectangular, one story building. Probably with some open test stands outside.

[Anonymous No.12142218]

>>12142212
Pls support

[Anonymous No.12142220]

>>12142197
gotta love night testing only huh

[Anonymous No.12142224]

>>12142212
kek
and it is just a pond, not even a rendering glitch or something

[Anonymous No.12142226]

>>12142194
i douby there will be that many launch pads if there are any at all, remember that elon is pursuing sea launch so my prediction is that there will be 1 launch pad and landing pad at Boca Chica and there will be 1 sea launch platform somewhere out in the gulf of mexico or the pacific.

[Anonymous No.12142227]

>>12142159
>Implying it is not true
America have already decided that concepts such as fiscal responsibility no longer apply to itself for a while now. Maybe that will change, but probably not before it defaults.

[Anonymous No.12142239]

>>12142227
>muh national debt
fuckin libertarians

[Anonymous No.12142260]

>>12142239
National debt is regarded as a Big Thing everywhere in the world by everyone outside of hardline commies. It is just burgers that think that is perfectly sane and normal a nation in peacetime having a trillion dollars yearly deficit.

[Anonymous No.12142261]

>>12142218
5107 9400 9524 0667
EXP: 04/2024

[Anonymous No.12142270]

>>12142260
I'm looking around and everything seems fine so whatever we're doing is working

[Anonymous No.12142274]

>>12142270
but what about this thing I read on twitter that doesn't effect 95% of americans?
I've never seen a group of people preform more mental gymnastics than doomers.

[Anonymous No.12142279]

>The Space Force's relevance to the green agenda
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/517240-the-space-forces-relevance-to-the-green-agenda

Not even one year, they already wanted to turn Space Force into climate change meme

[Anonymous No.12142287]

>>12140843
The Falcon rip-off is a Chinease statrt up. The solids is by the Chinease government. This project is constructing a Chinease version of the US “space coast” but why are they putting it in northern China. If Xi was smart he’s build this in the south.

[Anonymous No.12142288]

>>12142270
Yes, for now. The issue is when the government is unable to keep the gravy train running any longer.
>>12142274
Look at Argentine or Greece to see what happens when national debt implodes on itself.

[Anonymous No.12142295]

>>12142288
Neither of those countries are even remotely comparable to the US

[Anonymous No.12142300]

>>12142295
Very well. What properties does the us government and/or economy have that those didn’t that allows it to just ignore basic economic rules?

[Anonymous No.12142303]

>>12142194
they should dig a sea channel up to the factories and turn it into a harbour, towing it out to sea like a sea dragon, or sliding it straight out onto a droneship to deliver to the offshore launchpad, kinda like when they finish a boat and launch it down the slipway straight into the water

[Anonymous No.12142306]

>>12140895
Venture Capitalists are very bad at predicting the future. They overestimate whatever tech the press is hyping up and ignore everything else.

[Anonymous No.12142310]

>>12142300
Corruption on a nearly global scale.

[Anonymous No.12142314]

>>12140485 Anything missing here?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_in_spaceflight

Also could people please stop only reporting launch dates? I'm not really as interested in when things are launching as when one can expect results from a mission (like sample-return ones or first science results).

[Anonymous No.12142327]

>>12142310
Are saying that the USA isn’t very corrupt? Or that the rest of the world is corrupt and that will somehow allow the USA to prop itself up when it defaults?

[Anonymous No.12142330]

>>12142279
Before they want to cut it. Now the left wants to use it to have space based sole power collection. Definitely a step up. And if USSF did that and developed massive solar collectors in space and beamed the power down to Earth it would be pretty based.

[Anonymous No.12142334]

>>12142300
The USD is the world reserve currency, the demand for dollars is infantly high.

[Anonymous No.12142341]

>>12142327
>Or that the rest of the world is corrupt and that will somehow allow the USA to prop itself up when it defaults?
Yes, the US is too important to a lot of the world. Plenty of countries would bail out the US. The US has quite literally been in debt from nearly the beginning of it's inception.
And this >>12142334
Despite what edgy teenagers who grew up in America say, the US is a disgustingly important country to the entire world order of how things work and operate. Even our "enemies" like China and Russia need us.

[Anonymous No.12142347]

>>12142334
That is actually dying out. The UK and several other American allies are openly planning to phase out the dollar as their reserve currency, and americans abusing the shit out of the dollar reserve status haven’t been making things better.

[Anonymous No.12142348]

>>12142327
The US will never default. You know nothing of geopolitics

[Anonymous No.12142368]

>>12142341
>The US has quite literally been in debt from nearly the beginning of it's inception
Not in 110% of is gdp, with no ending to the spending in sight.

[Anonymous No.12142394]

>>12140494
Hammond pilots a spacecraft

[Anonymous No.12142401]

>>12142347
>The UK and several other American allies are openly planning to phase out the dollar as their reserve currency,
Source? So far every country in the 21st century that's attempted this has had horrible things happen to them

[Anonymous No.12142413]

>>12142314
We're still fucking waiting for TESS results to be fully analyzed and that launched in April 2018. The primary mission is over. It was supposed to reveal more exoplanets than kepler

[Anonymous No.12142420]

>>12142330
retardedly inefficient. that power is more useful for space activity anyway

[Anonymous No.12142422]

>>12142401
https://www.google.com.br/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/45d2ae3e-e6ab-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
It is slow shift but is both already ongoing and openly admitted by anyone that is relevant.

[Anonymous No.12142452]

>>12142261
oh shit nigger what are you doing

[Anonymous No.12142456]

[Anonymous No.12142457]

>>12142300
The US military. Our money is backed by guns.

[Anonymous No.12142467]

>>12142279
If we can get the left to rationalize the SF we can get them to forget it. Pick your battles.

[Anonymous No.12142475]

Why are they so cute?

[Anonymous No.12142479]

>>12142475
The whole lifting body concept is based around wide, round aircraft bodies and small wings, which humans instinctively find cute.

[Anonymous No.12142482]

>>278391950
fucking Roberts

[Anonymous No.12142493]

>>12142260
>trillion dollars yearly deficit.
your argument was sound without either exaggerating or being that guy that misunderstands total debt and yearly budget deficits.

[Anonymous No.12142494]

>>12142261
thx

[Anonymous No.12142501]

>>12140916
Yeah as the other anon said, virgin was started in an era where rockets only launched every 2 months at best. The idea of making a space plane with a quick boost to suborbital space was pretty interesting. Branson should have seen the writing on the wall to quit... especially after your pic related and other companies such as spacex and blue origin (the other billionaires) started pursuing a smarter path. But he’s in too deep at this point i guess

[Anonymous No.12142506]

>>12142197
Boca's in the clear. All wind and rain are currently forecast to stay to the north.

[Anonymous No.12142511]

>>12142479
Good point. I wonder if we will see a revival of lifting body space planes in the future.

[Anonymous No.12142512]

>>12142475
>cute
A-hem!

[Anonymous No.12142518]

>>12142511
The nasa logo makes everything look badass

[Anonymous No.12142522]

>>12142518
Even in baby blue.

[Anonymous No.12142523]

>>12142512
The NF-104A is more cool than cute.

[Anonymous No.12142529]

>>12142518
Have another one.

[Anonymous No.12142531]

>>12142494
Check your bill there, I think they rolled over a 0. You should get 1000 shirts for 30 grand

[Anonymous No.12142533]

>>12142523
Yeah this one is the best. Any love for the MiG 105? It’s the OG dreamchaser built in a junkyard in soviet russia lol

[Anonymous No.12142536]

>>12142523
Fair enough, your thing looks like something from wipeout.

[Anonymous No.12142540]

>>12142533
>that landing gear
muh dic

[Anonymous No.12142543]

>>12142533
I completely forgot that the Shoe existed. That landing gear looks so silly yet clever.

[Anonymous No.12142547]

>>12142543
Not that's a cute!

[Anonymous No.12142557]

Клипep, дa?

[Anonymous No.12142559]

>>12142557
lol

[Anonymous No.12142572]

>>12142547
Why did the Dyna-Soar die?

[Anonymous No.12142574]

>>12142494
>not getting the rocketlab gold mission success coin

[Anonymous No.12142577]

>>12142559

[Anonymous No.12142583]

>>12141909
That's Jeb Kerman levels of badass
>25g acceleration
>reach orbital speed in 30 seconds

[Anonymous No.12142585]

>>12142559
#cuteateverysize

[Anonymous No.12142590]

>>12141940
all the replies you've already had, plus the fact that Starship upper stage has landing gear, heatshield, flaps, and is fuckhueg

[Anonymous No.12142604]

>you will never experience the timeline wherein yuri gagarin and gus grissom faced off in 1983 as captains of orion drive battleships

it hurts so much bros

[Anonymous No.12142607]

>>12142583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI8W6VJSTE
based and stratzenblitzpilled

[Anonymous No.12142613]

>>12142577
Looks like something from a cartoon.

[Anonymous No.12142616]

>>12142613
Cartoons borrow from reality more than people think.

[Anonymous No.12142622]

>>12142607
lol that was great, thanks for sharing

[Anonymous No.12142626]

Is flox really that hard to handle compared to hydrogen or mmh? It seems like everybody was convinced we were going to use it up through the mid-70s but I've never seen any specific incident or moment where people definitively decided it wasn't worth the trouble.

[Anonymous No.12142629]

>>12140556
Observations are made in the balls

[Anonymous No.12142632]

>>12142616
Absolutely I still remember how warships are depicted in cartoons from my childhood and I was always like "They surely don't look like that!"
But I didn't know about the Iowas then.

[Anonymous No.12142635]

How much cargo can a fully fueled starship SSTO from the surface of mars into a free-return earth trajectory?

[Anonymous No.12142636]

>>12142629
You say that like it was a new concept to you?

[Anonymous No.12142640]

>>12142635
Starship's staging velocity with super heavy is allegedly less than 2 km/s so potentially it could return as much payload from the surface of Mars as it could put into LEO.

[Anonymous No.12142641]

>>12141864
Are you talking about the rocket sled guy?
John Paul Stapp?
>>12142143
Maybe he's just a furry that spoke in uwu speak for so long that he couldn't return to normal and now has to play it off as a speech impediment?

[Anonymous No.12142642]

>>12142635
It can be filled can it not? I assume the return SSTO starships (be it cargo or transport variant) will be empty though when they return. Can't think of anything worth bringing back for the first few generations until the colony becomes self-sufficient... besides tons of rocks for those who want giant Martian slabs in their office or natural outcrops for study back on Urf

[Anonymous No.12142645]

>>12142636
:(

[Anonymous No.12142647]

>>12142645

[Anonymous No.12142651]

>>12142642
Martian marble sculptures would be lucrative. Someone should send a sculptor to mars

[Anonymous No.12142656]

>>12142642
>Can't think of anything worth bringing back for the first few generations until the colony becomes self-sufficient
Probably precious metals. Even if take thousand of dollars per kg, it would still actually pay off to mine easy deposits of gold and platinum there.

[Anonymous No.12142662]

>>12142645
>>12142647
Didn't Laika get cooked alive during the ascent due to some staging malfunction?

[Anonymous No.12142664]

>>12142656
There are no refineries on Mars so you'd be bringing back ore, not metals which are like .1% as valuable.

[Anonymous No.12142666]

>>12142664
Lol wut

[Anonymous No.12142667]

>>12142662
she survived for a couple of orbits but they didn't have any thermal management and she either died from overheating or choking on her own vomit

[Anonymous No.12142670]

>>12142656
>>12142664

the market for martian fossils is gonna be huge

[Anonymous No.12142673]

>>12142107
It's too bad, there used to be Space Elevator threads there that were genuinely fun and interesting before they inevitably were brought down by flatearth/spaceisfake faggots image-dumping

[Anonymous No.12142675]

>>12142664
You would want to build refineries on mars before start shipping stuff back. Ore just would not be profitable unless you figure would cheap fusion+space elevators.

[Anonymous No.12142678]

>>12142675
figure out*

[Anonymous No.12142681]

>>12142667
>Before the launch, one of the mission scientists took Laika home to play with his children. In a book chronicling the story of Soviet space medicine, Dr. Vladimir Yazdovsky wrote, "Laika was quiet and charming ... I wanted to do something nice for her: She had so little time left to live."

[Anonymous No.12142684]

>>12142670
imagine having a job as a martian paleontologist, traveling across the surface of mars searching for fossils in a pressurized rover. would be kino as fuck

[Anonymous No.12142688]

Lots of speak of metals on mars, ceres, etc. What’s a good resource for an introduction to how minerals form and where to find them?
Im a geology student so I can absorb the info quick as shit. I’ve just never taken a class or learned about the process of how minerals congregate in veins in a planets crust after planetary differentiation. Even a wikipedia article will do

[Anonymous No.12142693]

>>12142670
Unless you find something really wacky, it will probably quickly peter out and end up having very little demand.

[Anonymous No.12142698]

>>12142693
Who wouldn't want even a simple martian fossil like a trilobite or something?

[Anonymous No.12142702]

>>12142684
>>12142670

>fossils on Mars

[Anonymous No.12142703]

>>12142017
it's a water tower

[Anonymous No.12142706]

>>12142698
If Mars had its own Cambrian Explosion then we just lost our best candidate for a great filter in the past and I'd be too despondent to want one.

[Anonymous No.12142708]

>>12142706
>popsci filter

[Anonymous No.12142711]

>>12142706
>two cambrian explosions on two worlds in the same star system
>despondent
Nigga what? I'd be ecstatic.

[Anonymous No.12142713]

>>12142708
This. Finding life in our own solar system doesn't mean jack shit about some hypothetical "great filter". Life is probably everywhere. Space is fuckhuge so the likelihood of us randomly seeing a galactic civilization zipping around the cosmos with our shitty radio telescopes and hubble are slim to none- even if they are everywhere

[Anonymous No.12142715]

>>12142706
>huuuuuuuur muh filter

If it exists it is multicellular life plus intelligence, not some looming future threat

[Anonymous No.12142716]

So will never work on these space projects but just watch from the sidelines?
Why even live

[Anonymous No.12142717]

>>12142716
*I will never

[Anonymous No.12142721]

>>12142715
If multicellular life independently developed on the first planet we check at then multicellular life isn't a filter

[Anonymous No.12142722]

>>12142716
U can invest in starlink and get rich

[Anonymous No.12142723]

>>12142706
it took billions of years to go from simple to complex life. it took almost a billion after to get intelligent humans. getting complex life is obviously the least probable based on urf history. even if we found another explosion event, it likely took billions of years as well to happen

[Anonymous No.12142731]

>>12142716
Buy tesla car, buy starlink service, buy solar panel, promote sustainable future. Those are all active things. from expensive to cheap/free.

[Anonymous No.12142732]

>>12142713
I hate talk about great filters as much as fermi paradoxes. like, who the fuck are we to know. "duurr i dont see aliens" like you a fuckin monkey m8 with a tiny telescope. of course you aint seen shit

[Anonymous No.12142735]

>>12142732
How big does a telescope need to be to see Kardashev 2 waste heat?

[Anonymous No.12142737]

>>12142716
250000 dollars to go to mars anon

[Anonymous No.12142739]

>>12142735
>popsci scale
here we go again

[Anonymous No.12142741]

>>12142732
What if the only real 'filter' is just good old fashioned violence?

[Anonymous No.12142742]

>>12142735
>glowing infrared
wow anon, you totally found the aliens

[Anonymous No.12142745]

So what's happening in the next week or two?

[Anonymous No.12142746]

>SN8 Starship with flaps & nosecone should be done in about a week.
He keeps lying to me and I keep believing him

[Anonymous No.12142748]

>>12142721
Not necessarily.
Maybe our solar system is just absurdly lucky.
Maybe even if we do find life on Mars we won't find another planet outside of our solar system with life within the next 100,000 years.
>>12142735
Don't Dyson swarms give off waste heat that makes them appear as brown/red dwarfs

[Anonymous No.12142753]

>>12142732
Based, also popscientists are like "urr why don't we see civilizations that would just be an extrapolation of what we are now"
My arrogant nigga no the aliens are most likely not humans from the industrial times but in space.

[Anonymous No.12142755]

>>12142693
My dad bought me ammonite fossils for like two dollars years ago

[Anonymous No.12142756]

>>12142748
Depending on what we learn about exoplanets there could be a case that Jupiter's position as a vacuum cleaner allows for habitable rocky planets and is also exceptionally rare

[Anonymous No.12142759]

>>12142706
“Great filter” is pop sci

[Anonymous No.12142760]

>>12142753
Yeah do people expect us to find humanoid ayyys soon? Like I think the chances of one of our descendants being married to a qt alien wife in the next billion years is still close to 0

[Anonymous No.12142761]

>>12142760
>Yeah do people expect us to find humanoid ayyys soon?

Aliens are literally here right now flying around in UFOs

[Anonymous No.12142765]

>>12142756
That’s a meme

[Anonymous No.12142766]

>>12142761
Why is she avoiding me then anon. Is it too much to ask for her to fly down and give me EM Drive tech and cook exocuisine for me? I won't give her up to the area 51 fags or anything

[Anonymous No.12142770]

>>12142759
The "Great filter" is a projection onto hypothetical other civilizations that would be similar to us by arrogant "i love science" people that are afraid about the possible collapse of our own society.

[Anonymous No.12142772]

>>12142760
if you're extending it to a billion years then that's enough time for humanity to diverge and then meet up again

[Anonymous No.12142795]

>>12142760
Dr. Michio Kaku, long time moron, who protested the Cassini launch because he's anti-nuclear RTG, thinks we'll find ayy radio signals this decade. I'm not making this up

[Anonymous No.12142803]

>>12142756
well, the late heavy bombardment was a thing, yet here we are

[Anonymous No.12142807]

>>12142795
>anti-nuclear RTG
Just make it solar-powered bro lmao. Is he retarded? How the fuck would we study places like Pluto or the outer edges of our solar system with the Voyager's without RTG's?

[Anonymous No.12142811]

>>12142807
There was a lot of pressure on scientists to oppose RTGs, especially after Challenger. Even Sagan equivocated on whether he thought Galileo should have launched.

[Anonymous No.12142814]

>>12142807
he is the quintessential pop scientist

[Anonymous No.12142813]

>>12142803
It was a much simpler time bros

[Anonymous No.12142816]

>>12142807
>He was critical of the Cassini–Huygens space probe because of the 72 pounds (33 kg) of plutonium contained in the craft for use by its radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Conscious of the possibility of casualties if the probe's fuel were dispersed into the environment during a malfunction and crash as the probe was making a 'sling-shot' maneuver around Earth, Kaku publicly criticized NASA's risk assessment.

Honestly that's a fair criticism, still glad we launched it tho.

[Anonymous No.12142817]

>>12142814
>Blocks your path
String theory is easy! Eh heh, yes! A fifth grader- a young human with minimal math knowledge, can understand string theory. The very intricacies of the universe itself! Watch my TED talk and buy my book please

[Anonymous No.12142819]

>>12142816
Just make sure the slingshot maneuver happens over Israel and if it disperses into the atmosphere, oh well.

[Anonymous No.12142821]

>>12142811
The real scientists are not pussies. If Florida wants to take one for the team in pursuit of greater human knowledge, SO BE IT. Plutonium rain is based anyway

[Anonymous No.12142822]

>>12142817
Wow nice theory! So what experiments did you do to prove it anon?

[Anonymous No.12142825]

>>12142821
>The real scientists are not pussies. If Florida wants to take one for the team in pursuit of greater human knowledge, SO BE IT. Plutonium rain is based anyway

[Anonymous No.12142827]

>>12142822
I saw everyone talking about it on reddit and the scishow comment section on youtube

[Anonymous No.12142829]

>>12142825
He’s right you know

[Anonymous No.12142830]

>>12142817
do all of these fucks pretend to be string theorists cuz it's a fad? they do a lot of conferences and media interviews, but not a lot of theorizing so far as i see. baseless hypothesizing, maybe

[Anonymous No.12142835]

>>12142681
well

[Anonymous No.12142836]

>>12142825
Not great, not terrible

[Anonymous No.12142838]

>>12142821
>Plutonium rain is based anyway
What does the word "based" even mean anymore? People say the most retarded things and someone will call it based.

[Anonymous No.12142841]

>>12142830
I think they have enough fundamental knowledge of math and stuff to understand it more than others, and they know it's hard to test and disprove. So they build up a career promoting hard theories and shooting down people like McCulloch because they know no one else can prove them wrong. Just do some TED talks, write a book, and you now have millions of dollars

[Anonymous No.12142842]

>>12142816
Literally irrelevant amounts of radiation when spread out

[Anonymous No.12142843]

>>12142795
We found alien radio signals decades ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

[Anonymous No.12142844]

>>12142838
Based

[Anonymous No.12142846]

>>12142841
>McCulloch
Is a retard that should have chosen string theory instead of IQ for his pseudoscience media project if he wanted to make real money and fame

[Anonymous No.12142849]

>>12142735
they may have had the same time to develop as us, they exist in the same galaxy after all. their tech could be ~the same as ours give or take a few thousand years. they wouldn't be targetting us for visits in the same way we aren't sending manned crafts to random star system x, plus physics and light lag.

[Anonymous No.12142854]

>>12142846
Well duh, but I think he really really believes in his theory- which is a breath of fresh air. Also his power level is over 9000 and he hates the (((cabal))) of scientists who circlejerk themselves over theories they don't want to test but want to talk about. Even if he's wrong he isn't trying to sell some graham hancock schizo theory. He's trying to rattle the chains of everyone. And he drops redpills on twitter like it's nobodies business

[Anonymous No.12142855]

>>12142843
The wow signal is the biggest nothing burger I've ever heard of. Read into it and it's basically a strong, constant, nonreplicable radio signal. No pulsing, no prime numbers, not even numerals

[Anonymous No.12142857]

>69 posters
>420 replies
MUH ELON MUSK

[Anonymous No.12142860]

>>12142844
>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/based#Etymology_2
Reeks of Plebbit.

[Anonymous No.12142867]

>>12142854
Ironically Picard is antifa and so am I, reminder there will be no racism on Mars because of the overview effect.

[Anonymous No.12142870]

>>12142860
You don't know the true etymology of based? cringe

[Anonymous No.12142872]

>>12142867
Why don't you come to my coordinates so I can give you the rope, in minecraft

[Anonymous No.12142873]

>>12142867
Not until I get there. Fuck the niggers :)

[Anonymous No.12142874]

>>12142867
working to better yourself and the rest of humanity doesn't disregard the accumulation of wealth, or indeed power, over other lifeforms. you've replaced the nation with the planet or species.

[Anonymous No.12142878]

>>12142867
Get a load of this stinkin' Earther scum.

[Anonymous No.12142886]

Facepalm! Haha I facepalm at this take

[Anonymous No.12142897]

>>12142874
and on star treks timeline of "fully automated luxury communism" as i've heard it described, the lower orders, the working class, the manual workers, the welfare recipients etc have disappeared over generations.
in reality i imagine a future more akin to elysium but instead of a mini halo ring a corporation has bought out an entire country and economically genocided its population to achieve essentially the same outcome.

[Anonymous No.12142898]

Bros......what is the most efficient way to reach Proxima Centauri (capture, not flyby)?
What about the fastest?
What about most practical?

Only known physics answers please, no popsci warp drive garbage. EM drive not allowed until tested in orbit

[Anonymous No.12142899]

>12142867
Ah yes, the old
>I've found Thing to define who I am for me, now I must relate how everything I like is part of that Thing
You are a human being, not a little half-formed cog looking to find somewhere to slot in and define your form and function.

[Anonymous No.12142911]

>>12142898
It all depends on how plasma/magnetic sails end up working, because otherwise only fusion rockets will work.

[Anonymous No.12142921]

>>12142911
is that at all similar to what zubrin proposed?

[Anonymous No.12142927]

>>12142898
Basically either fusion rockets or antimatter. The former would probably need a few stops in the ice-rich bodies in the Oort cloud to refuel, while the later would hideously expensive to fill the tank in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12142935]

>>12142921
you could possibly get to a stage where a fetus ship ditched a load of robot grown and raised children on a planet we know little about.
whether theyd be human or not upon reaching adulthood is another question.

[Anonymous No.12142947]

>>12142935
>you could possibly get to a stage where a fetus ship ditched
It might be easier to simple send a computer with zygote information and high end nanotech 3d printer to produce them in situ.

[Anonymous No.12142948]

>>12142511
The Dreamchaser is, but it has a disposable service module for some gay reason.

[Anonymous No.12142950]

>>12142927
How much mass would that be in fuel I wonder. I also wonder about how much erosion shielding would be needed. Spooky when a tiny rock could blow you to pieces at those speeds. Maybe you can "aerobrake" into Proxima's Oort Cloud

[Anonymous No.12142953]

>>12142935
before any wiseass comments: they'd still be very much human, but the culture they would have been raised in would be so alien to anything we'd have experienced on earth, on top of the place they were sent to maybe being a total shithole, that they would resemble nothing we see here and now in human society.

[Anonymous No.12142956]

>>12142855
> Read into it and it's basically a strong, constant, nonreplicable radio signal. No pulsing, no prime numbers, not even numerals

So what?

[Anonymous No.12142957]

>>12142867
>Ironically Picard is antifa
It's easy to think like that when you live in a post-scarcity society where you can literally conjure everything you'd ever need with replicators. Sadly we still live in 2020 without any machines that are even remotely close to that technology.

>reminder there will be no racism on Mars because of the overview effect.
Reminder that racism will always exist as long as different races exist. Every feature that makes a human different from another human will play a role in social interactions, forever.

[Anonymous No.12142958]

>>12142953
and they may hate us for sending them to this shithole.

[Anonymous No.12142961]

>>12142867
Stop eating onions.

[Anonymous No.12142962]

>>12142632
Now people learn very different things about the Iowas from 2D.

[Anonymous No.12142968]

>>12142953
So basically it’d be an unethical nightmare that will never be permitted. Good. Fuck your bug shit.

[Anonymous No.12142972]

>>12142953
i dont give a shit about any of this. I only care about the transportation part

[Anonymous No.12142975]

>>12142957
>Reminder that racism will always exist as long as different races exist.
Racism will always exist as long as its something that people make an effort to draw attention to. If skin color is as much of a nothing burger as eye or hair color is, racism basically wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.12142976]

>>12142956
A bright radio light coming from space does not an alien signal make

[Anonymous No.12142978]

>>12142968
i'm very sceptical on generation ships or firing spunk off into the ether for that reason. it could be ok, it could be a total nightmare for the people involved. it would worry me beyond anything i can post on /sfg/, and i'm a massive proponent of space exploration.

[Anonymous No.12142979]

>>12142867
>this post violates United States law

[Anonymous No.12142992]

>>12142976
A continuous signal on the hydrogen line seems rather alien to me, especially when no similar signals have been found. It may have been modulated, as well, just with modulation periods shorter than ten seconds or longer than 72 seconds.

[Anonymous No.12143004]

what if it lands on the tank farm

[Anonymous No.12143011]

>>12143004
everyone dies

[Anonymous No.12143012]

>>12142992
Why couldn't it be a terrestrial signal reflected off clouds? or a classified government satellite? There's so little to go off of it's barely worth mentioning. The fact WOW was never seen again doesn't favor the alien signal hypothesis either. There are far more active searches in decades since and nothing similar has ever been found. Probability implies it was human in origin if it was a real detection at all

[Anonymous No.12143016]

>>12143004
>OH MY GOD IT'S DRIFTING OVER TO ALABAMA
>IT'S AIMING FOR SENATOR SHELBY'S HOUSE

[Anonymous No.12143020]

>>12143004
how will it glide down without going super far horizontal? will it circle down???

[Anonymous No.12143021]

pluto-charon space elevator when bros?

[Anonymous No.12143023]

>>12142911
light sails would work anon, as would anti-matter rockets if you can find a way to mass produce antimatter

[Anonymous No.12143024]

>>12142975
Then why are there are stereotypes about blondes being dumb? Why are there families in romania who excusively try to marry their children to blue eyed people? There is plenty of discrimination based on those features, there just isn't much coverage about it. There will always be people who will either like or dislike certain features of others, whether it's visually, behaviouristically, culturally, religiously or literally anything that makes someone different in any way. Even if you were to ban racism with laws, people will just be less open about it but they'll still think that way privately and act in a hidden way.

The moment you realize that fact and understand that all those -ism will never be gone, is when you accept that there is no point in trying to get rid of them but instead get used to them.

[Anonymous No.12143025]

>>12143016
OH THE JOBANITY

[Anonymous No.12143026]

>>12143004
Then Elon will personally spank the employee responsible

[Anonymous No.12143028]

>>12143021
DAE HOW THE OLD SPACE ELEVATOR THREADS WERE INCREDIBLY BASED?

[Anonymous No.12143030]

>>12143021
what about pluto to earth for easy pluto access

[Anonymous No.12143032]

>>12143028
The current /pol/ meme is that Elon was the one making them.

[Anonymous No.12143035]

>>12143032
Are any of them archived? I wanna seeee

[Anonymous No.12143036]

>>12143032
I'd habeeb it.

[Anonymous No.12143040]

>>12143035
4plebs should have all of them.

[Anonymous No.12143042]

digging into the underground chambers on phobos when?

[Anonymous No.12143043]

Um, bros, what about

Space Escalator

[Anonymous No.12143048]

>>12143043
Don't skip leg day and you could take the stairway to heaven instead

[Anonymous No.12143051]

>>12143020
the elonerons don't generate lift, just drag

[Anonymous No.12143053]

>>12143051
HOW WILL IT GET DOWN

[Anonymous No.12143054]

>>12143048
imagine if it was a down escalator- think of the gainz

[Anonymous No.12143056]

>>12143053
it basically stalls the whole way down and controls angle of attack by the relative angle of the elonerons

[Anonymous No.12143057]

>>12143012
>Why couldn't it be a terrestrial signal reflected off clouds? or a classified government satellite?

Terrestrial transmitters are forbidden from broadcasting in the bandwidth the Wow! Signal was in.

>The fact WOW was never seen again doesn't favor the alien signal hypothesis either.

The fact it was never seen again has zero relevance to whether or not it was an alien signal. We have beamed signals into deep space ourselves which were brief and did not repeat.

> There are far more active searches in decades since and nothing similar has ever been found.

So what? We beamed our own signal in the direction of the Wow! Signal’s origin. It was brief. It did not repeat, and could easily have been missed by any recipient or only glimpsed in the way the Wow! Signal was.

> Probability implies it was human in origin if it was a real detection at all

Literally no evidence it was human in origin.

[Anonymous No.12143060]

>>12143024
The discrimination will exist. The systematic "look at your differences" is an amplified phenomenon that makes into a Big Deal.

[Anonymous No.12143065]

>>12143057
I personally believe it's a rare cosmic phenomena, or some dude trolling. I'll believe it's aliens when we can decode something

[Anonymous No.12143072]

Guys I'm conflicted, I love the NF-104 to pieces but the longer I'm looking at the Talon 38, the more I fall in love with it. I mean it will never outrad the starfighter and I prefer single engines, but it looks so brutally defining for it's time and it's so fast!

[Anonymous No.12143074]

direct imaging of symbiotic binaries when bros

[Anonymous No.12143076]

>>12143057
US or Soviet spy sats (most likely), rare natural phenomenon (likely), aliens (least likely)

[Anonymous No.12143089]

>>12143072
>"923, can you please take flying more seriously?"
>"That's a negative, 902."

[Anonymous No.12143090]

>>12142703
Yes, until you add malted barley, hops and yeast.

[Anonymous No.12143093]

how the fuck do accretion disks work
how the FUCK do jets work

[Anonymous No.12143094]

What if Skylon keeps getting delayed because they keep accidentally re-deriving classified technologies and told to remove them and try again?

[Anonymous No.12143098]

>https://spacenews.com/new-study-looks-at-space-power-competition-through-chinas-lens/
Chinese government is chasing SpaceX as a model to emulate rather than NASA lol

[Anonymous No.12143104]

>>12143026
If Nasaspaceflight captures it on a livestream, then they'll be the Texas spank watchers.

[Anonymous No.12143108]

>>12143060
That's a very one sided point of view. Systematic "look at your differences" only exist because of the equally Systematic "stop looking at your differences or else". Let's say you have homogenous Village A. Now Person X from Village A wants to invite over people from Village B but the rest of the people in Village A don't want that. Now Person X tries to forcefully invite over people from Village B through political power despite the people from Village A not wanting them there. In return, people from Village A try to stop Person X through political power from inviting over people from Village B. Now both parties use systematic political power to decide whether foreigners from Village B may come over or not and propagate their point of view while painting the opposition as evil.

Point is, whether you agree with Person X or with Village A, it is Person X who initiated the political conflict with Village A who simply reacted to his actions because they don't share Person Xs ideology regarding opening up their gates to foreigners from Village B.

Also personally i agree with Village A, because if people want to be left alone and don't want anything to do with foreigners, just leave them to their own devices. If Person X wants to interact with people from Village B, then either he should move to Village B himself or establish his own village where he can invite over whomever he wants.

[Anonymous No.12143112]

>>12142947
Replicator tech would literally usher us into an age of being able to never work for the rest of your life. It would be amazing.
>>12142948
Unfortunately yeah, I think it’s because they got fucked over for commercial crew. My hypothesis is that NASA really liked it but they HAD to choose starliner because “we owe them favors”- so sierra nevada got demoted to only crew supply and they are adding that ugly ass boot to try and keep relevant

[Anonymous No.12143113]

>>12143108
You can't order people not to look at something. The thing to do is to encourage people to examine their similarities and build up rapport around shared identities and experiences.

[Anonymous No.12143115]

>>12143104
This made my day anon, thank you

[Anonymous No.12143141]

>>12143098
They'd have to be retarded not to.

[Anonymous No.12143146]

daily reminder fuck mods and fuck jannies

[Anonymous No.12143157]

Did you ever touch a rocket or something like that? I once touched a Buran prototype. I can still remember it. I wish I could see a Saturn V in person at some point. Must be intense.

[Anonymous No.12143159]

IJSF when?

[Anonymous No.12143160]

If the Emdrive works but QI doesn't, what would be the most likely reason why? A tiny Alcubierre drive? Aether? Magic fixed reference frame allowing FTL?

[Anonymous No.12143161]

>>12143113
Yes, except most "don't look at the differences but at our similarities" we see isn't encouragement but enforcement, or do you consider diversity and anti-discrimination laws to be mere encouragement?

[Anonymous No.12143163]

Do you have space legos? share if you do

[Anonymous No.12143165]

>>12143032
no one on /pol/ today was posting there pre-2016
moot was right to fuck, off it's a litigation waiting to happen.

[Anonymous No.12143167]

>>12143165
>no one on /pol/ today was posting there pre-2016
Quite wrong. Plenty of people who remember ZimZam are still there.

[Anonymous No.12143175]

>>12143167
I can't imagine why, I occasionally check it if something funny is happening like Ginsburg dying but 99.99% of the time it's useless cancer and race baiting

[Anonymous No.12143176]

>>12143160
This might explain the photon loop version.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.07293

[Anonymous No.12143183]

>>12143167
yea through memes and bollocks. i doubt very few remember thebaker, anteater, that silly tranny lib fuck firesomething, early brit/pol/ etc.
that tranny called mally or something?
anyway.

[Anonymous No.12143186]

>>12143141
What are ULA and BO doing then? Are you saying they are retarded?

[Anonymous No.12143188]

>>12143186
BO is doing SpaceX at 0.2x speed and ULA is fat off government contracts

[Anonymous No.12143192]

>>12143163
don't have, the Opportunity rover goes for well over 300 bucks which I find unreasonable for 500g of injection moulded plastic. But please, do tell, do you sometimes fiddle around with it making re-entry wooshing noises?

[Anonymous No.12143195]

PHOBOS
WHEN

[Anonymous No.12143204]

>>12143163
I have the simpler shuttle with the minifigure, but right now it's in more pieces than Challenger at the bottom of a bin.

[Anonymous No.12143206]

>>12143186
ULA canceled ACES. They are in fact that dumb.

[Anonymous No.12143209]

>>12143188
It's almost like capitalism is better than communism. USA sitting on its ass accidently spawning multiple space billionaires while China is still focused on state controlled suppliers. RIP chinklings

[Anonymous No.12143211]

>>12143195
based phoboner

isnt phobos supposed to be a derelict alien dreadnought?

[Anonymous No.12143213]

>>12143076
>US or Soviet spy sats (most likely)

Not possible. The Big Ear telescope was fixed and scanned the sky only through the motion of the earth itself. The signal’s duration and intensity is perfectly consistent with a fixed source in the celestial sphere, not a satellite whose own motion would have been noticeable.

[Anonymous No.12143215]

>>12143206
Tory said Centaur V was really cool though :(

[Anonymous No.12143217]

>>12143161
Diversity and anti-discrimination laws are unproductive slaps on the wrist predicated on making people look at differences with the same fundamental problem of "bake the cake, bigot!"

[Anonymous No.12143218]

>>12143215
Was, now it's just another disposable boomer rocket.

[Anonymous No.12143220]

>>12143188
>BO is doing
What have they done?

[Anonymous No.12143225]

>>12143215
Centaur V is a half assed modernization of Centaur G they were going to use with the Shuttle.

[Anonymous No.12143227]

>>12143220
The made a little penis to rub on the pillowy clouds ha peepee fuck beezos (bozo)

[Anonymous No.12143229]

>>12143225
>>12143218
Say it isn't so.....Tory told me I would love it, are you saying I can't trust Tory? Fuck fuck fuck

[Anonymous No.12143235]

>>12143192
ye

[Anonymous No.12143240]

>>12143220
We don't know because they're autistically silent

[Anonymous No.12143241]

>>12143229
Centaur V would be revolutionary as a Starship kickstage... which is basically what Shuttle/Centaur G would have been. As the second stage on a 2xBE-4 + small SRBs TSTO expendable rocket it's a joke.

[Anonymous No.12143242]

>>12143225
>after Challenger, NASA concluded that it was far too risky to fly the Centaur on the Shuttle
Yeah, we'll send people up in this death trap, but I'll be damned if we lose a Centaur. What kinna fucked up NASA logic is this?

[Anonymous No.12143245]

>>12143241
>outer planet probes for the cost of one Starship launch and a Centaur V
HOLY SHIT

[Anonymous No.12143246]

>>12143235
I just cut off the gear and converted my Tomcat to fast because of this

[Anonymous No.12143247]

>>12143242
Diversity hire rot set in after the Saturn was cancelled.

[Anonymous No.12143250]

>>12140893

Isn't it moving away from the conductive plate, because the flat conductive surface has a residual charge that it's transferring to the pendulum mass?

[Anonymous No.12143251]

>>12143241
Why don't we make 3 stage rockets if they're so much better?

[Anonymous No.12143253]

>>12143242
people aren't filled with LH2/LOX

[Anonymous No.12143255]

>>12143211
>isnt phobos supposed to be a derelict alien dreadnought?
no, you idiot.

[Anonymous No.12143260]

>>12143253
not yet

[Anonymous No.12143261]

>>12143255
I mean there's no evidence that it is and no reason to believe it is but why can't at least ONE rock in our solar system have the irradiated remains of an FTL system

[Anonymous No.12143263]

>>12143251
Not worth with earths gravity well.

[Anonymous No.12143267]

>>12143255
No I'm serious, I thought it was. It has strange properties

[Anonymous No.12143270]

>>12142120

This will be more accurate by 2035-2045.

[Anonymous No.12143271]

>>12143263
isn't centaur v in a starship like having a third stage?

[Anonymous No.12143276]

>>12143261
no.
no one gives a shit about our solar system but us.
stop imagining we're special to anyone.

[Anonymous No.12143278]

>>12143267
like what? I've never heard this meme and now I'm curious

[Anonymous No.12143279]

>>12143246

[Anonymous No.12143280]

>>12143276
You don't know, you never asked anybody outside the system if we're interesting or not.

[Anonymous No.12143281]

>>12143245
Exactly. It's pretty much the best possible way to fling probes at the gas giants or Pluto until we get nuclear-electric rockets flying non-Hohmann trajectories... and those will probably carry people so we need good mapping data beforehand.

>>12143251
They're big and expensive, and overkill for anything in LEO except using the entire third stage as a payload like Skylab. Congress canceled the Saturn V because they were a pack of thieves who wanted to spend the money giving free shit to niggers to vote Democrat instead. It's been a 60 year knife fight trying to get men beyond LEO again. That's why SLS was designed to spread the graft to every Congressional district, so that they couldn't pull the rug out from under NASA again even if commercial boosters failed.

>>12143271
Centaur V fits comfortably inside the payload fairing, so no. A kickstage sits inside the fairing and detaches with the payload. That's why Photon is a kickstage rather than calling Electron a 3STO.

[Anonymous No.12143282]

>>12143280
>we
everyone quiet the ayys are listening.

[Anonymous No.12143289]

>>12143282
fuck off spaceniggers we're full, you can crash on Venus if you strip the atmosphere for us

[Anonymous No.12143291]

>>12143280
>roughly similar galactic timeframe on which to evolve
>physics the same
>we can't see them
>they can't see us
>other galaxies: yea speculate but were talking billions of years in the past - fuck off
mate there will be aliens but they'll be about as shitty an disappointing as humans. not flying around in ftl saucers bumming you. sorry.

[Anonymous No.12143297]

>>12143291
>they'll be about as shitty an disappointing as humans. not flying around in ftl saucers bumming you. sorry.
if humans had commercial access to FTL saucers you know damn well we'd use them to meme on ayys, steal cattle just to fuck with them, etc

[Anonymous No.12143298]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsciGPw9qik

[Anonymous No.12143305]

We should crash Phobos into Mars.

[Anonymous No.12143306]

Can someone summarize this maybe-working reactionless drive shit? Are there any studies or videos or whatnot that detail it that aren’t total kook shit?

[Anonymous No.12143307]

>>12143297
also wipe out all Muslim countries before someone tries to snackbar the entire planet with a suicide saucer

[Anonymous No.12143308]

>>12143305
y tho

[Anonymous No.12143310]

>>12143305
We should crash Phobos into Earth.

[Anonymous No.12143312]

>>12143297
>access to FTL saucers
yea but we don't. and neither do they. they're maximum shit is our maximum shit. they're looking at shit with the piss poor resolution were looking at the rest of our galaxy, let alone the universe.
no one gives a fuck about our little bit of shit rock and what happens here, and we don't give a shit about heirs because we can't see or communicate with it.
perspective. fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.12143314]

>>12143306
EM drive dude is back at it and this time some sceptics lab in Spain might have replicated results, this time using a photon loop (literally just optical fiber wrapped around an airfoil)

from my admittedly brainlet tier understanding, the theory is that acceleration shifts your light cone horizon in a way that generates inertia (???) and therefore spinning light around a asymmetric track (the fiber loop) should produce a net thrust

[Anonymous No.12143318]

>>12143306
The hubbub is because two separate labs with two separate experimental designs are claiming thrust based on the same principle. Neither has published yet. At least one is seeking a patent. So basically we're just spitballing "if X then Y" based on rumored results.

[Anonymous No.12143319]

>>12143278
like the monolith, its very close/fast orbit, density implies it's hollow, big crater actually a giant dish

[Anonymous No.12143321]

>>12143314
>EM drive dude is back at it and this time some sceptics lab in Spain might have replicated results, this time using a photon loop (literally just optical fiber wrapped around an airfoil)

What lab? Is there like a news article or something from them? That’s interesting

[Anonymous No.12143323]

>>12143312
If humans evolved just a few hundred million years earlier, a blink on the fossil record, we'd have colonized a warm-and-wet Venus by now. We don't know that Ayys would have evolved at the same time or rate as we did, or that they interact with technology the same way. We might even be the Great Wise Galactic Precursors, which sounds like future Ayys are totally fucked

[Anonymous No.12143327]

>>12142745
They'll blow up the 7.1 test tank, they'll finish SN8 with fins and nose, they'll put SN8 on the stand and start static fire tests. In a few weeks they might attempt the first 20km hop with the skydive maneuver.

[Anonymous No.12143328]

>>12143321
so far all we have is EM drive dudes Twitter posts because the other labs haven't published yet

[Anonymous No.12143329]

>>12143321
No news article yet. We're literally going off Mike McCulloch's social media posts describing the progress towards publication. Two labs, one in Spain, one in Germany.

[Anonymous No.12143331]

>>12143305
>>12143310
>phobos

[Anonymous No.12143334]

>>12143323
no. there's a countless number of reasons why we may not have made contact with other advanced civilisations. but the idea that we're just sat here in the universe as a beacon of 'oh yea mate come and party' is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.12143338]

>>12143331
wats wrong frog man?

[Anonymous No.12143340]

>>12143334
no, there's no "beacon", just that if we ARE first we'll be so fucking far ahead of any Ayys we encounter that it will look like magic

which is hilarious because humans will absolutely abuse that

[Anonymous No.12143341]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrozavodsk_phenomenon
uhhhh bros?

[Anonymous No.12143343]

>>12143340
i would pee in the aliens mouth

[Anonymous No.12143345]

>>12143310
Doom II: Hell on Earth didn't need Phobos to crash to happen.

[Anonymous No.12143348]

>>12143343
>I'll give you a ride around the system in my photon loop ship if you sucky sucky

[Anonymous No.12143350]

>>12143340
and if we're behind no one would specifically chose our particular system over any other to send probes to. we're not unique in terms of resources. our communications have barely reached our nearest star. and if the ayys are behind then of course we'll see or hear nothing, they're some stone age ape shit.

[Anonymous No.12143351]

>>12143341
>The object appeared to move noiselessly from the east, and near Primorsk it abruptly changed its direction to north
it's master chief!

[Anonymous No.12143352]

>>12143340
We’re not first, and aliens are here right now with technology that appears like magic.

[Anonymous No.12143356]

>>12143340
>gold gives you space-cancer, luckily for you we know how to dispose of this dangerous substance for you

[Anonymous No.12143359]

>>12143343
Gross anon, and not consentual

[Anonymous No.12143360]

>>12143350
this is true, the only scenario in which we encounter similar tech level Ayys or above is pure accident, like we destroy a von Neumann probe and they come to investigate

[Anonymous No.12143361]

>>12143338
In cringy tv show I watch, they blow up Phobos.

[Anonymous No.12143363]

>>12143352
Yeah, and they're peeing in our mouth huh? Get real, no way

[Anonymous No.12143364]

>>12143361
>Mars starts giving you shit
>blow up their fucking moon
lmao

[Anonymous No.12143365]

>>12143360
even then, probes sent to other systems take decades or millennia, and at a huge cost to the host system.

[Anonymous No.12143366]

>>12143361
Oh yeah, is the new season really bad? I'm afraid to watch

[Anonymous No.12143367]

>>12143364
>mars gets big mad
>martian navy leaves for a while and comes back

[Anonymous No.12143368]

Most life will live long after humanity because of the changing elemental makeup making the universe more abundant in elements crucial to life.

[Anonymous No.12143369]

>>12143340
>which is hilarious because humans will absolutely abuse that
/tg/ has written stories about that.

>>12143356
>>12143348
kek

[Anonymous No.12143370]

>>12143368
that just means if humans stick around long enough we get to be gods

[Anonymous No.12143375]

>>12143366
>is the new season really bad?
It boring. There's too little in each episode. It should've been only 6 episodes or they should have, I dunno, actually done something.

[Anonymous No.12143381]

bros....

[Anonymous No.12143382]

>>12142475
>>12142511
That one with the clear nose would be so kino to be front seat in.

[Anonymous No.12143384]

>>12143375
>jeff bezos buys expanse
>manages new season like blue origin
>nothing happens

[Anonymous No.12143385]

>>12142475
la creaturas......

[Anonymous No.12143386]

>>12143381
no

[Anonymous No.12143389]

>>12143382
lots of bombers had transparent noses for the bombardier

[Anonymous No.12143390]

>>12143381
i told you bro

[Anonymous No.12143392]

>>12143381
crash phobos into it, if anon is right about phobos being a dreadnought maybe that's how you turn it back on

[Anonymous No.12143393]

>>12143384
Slow/steady tho. He's thinking 100 years term. 1 season every 20 years.

[Anonymous No.12143396]

>>12143393
Do you think they'll deep fake Alex now that the pajeet actor has been exposed to have done the normal pajeet thing? (asking every woman he sees for bobs and vagine)

[Anonymous No.12143397]

>>12143392

[Anonymous No.12143401]

>>12143389
>tfw no crazy energy dense batteries to let me have a solar powered Catalina to cruise the tropics in, forever

[Anonymous No.12143407]

>>12143397
bBROS

[Anonymous No.12143408]

>>12143397
>it's a rock

[Anonymous No.12143410]

>>12143401
>not wanting an electric Electric Lightning
the idea of a permanently airborne house plane is pretty cool though

[Anonymous No.12143414]

>>12143408
https://youtu.be/bDIXvpjnRws
WHO PUT THAT THERE

[Anonymous No.12143423]

>>12143414
>boomer buys into bizarre conspiracy theories
color me surprised

[Anonymous No.12143424]

>>12143410
If I'm going to go for name puns I'd convert a 50s Ford Thunderbird.

[Anonymous No.12143426]

>>12143423
:(

[Anonymous No.12143427]

>>12143414
>buzz trolls fuckwits into supporting increased expenditure for human space exploration
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.12143432]

>>12143157
I got to see an SCA-mounted Shuttle fly by shortly after takeoff. Probably either Atlantis or Endeavor, I tried to find out once, but there don't seem to be records of flights back to KSC or stopovers at Kelly AFB.
It had a double rain delay, so it was like 10AM at the time. It even made a slight bank turn while it passed.

[Anonymous No.12143435]

https://youtu.be/7u8j00TY6rw

New video up. Probably going to do a vid on Vulcan next. Talk about the BE-4, payloads like Dreamchaser and Astrobotics. I really hate how little footage about the soviet space program there is.

Any video suggestions? I wanna see what people on /sfg/ want, I really like researching this stuff.

[Anonymous No.12143438]

>>12143204

[Anonymous No.12143440]

>>12143410
In 1984, during a NATO exercise, Flt Lt Mike Hale intercepted a U-2 at a height which they had previously considered safe (thought to be 66,000 feet (20,000 m)). Records show that Hale also climbed to 88,000 ft (27,000 m) in his Lightning F.3 XR749. This was not sustained level flight but a ballistic climb, in which the pilot takes the aircraft to top speed and then puts the aircraft into a climb, exchanging speed for altitude. Hale also participated in time-to-height and acceleration trials against Lockheed F-104 Starfighters from Aalborg. He reports that the Lightnings won all races easily with the exception of the low-level supersonic acceleration, which was a "dead heat".[78] Lightning pilot and Chief Examiner Brian Carroll reported taking a Lightning F.53 up to 87,300 feet (26,600 m) over Saudi Arabia at which level "Earth curvature was visible and the sky was quite dark", noting that control-wise "[it was] on a knife edge".[79]

[Anonymous No.12143444]

>>12143175
That's because now it's 75% shills and 10% kooks (flat eathers, etc.).

[Anonymous No.12143450]

>>12143384
Jeff Who is a bald ass motherfucker. He pissed on my fucking girlfriend! He took is amazon blue dick out and pissed on my fucking girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.12143457]

>>12143432
>black side down
kek

[Anonymous No.12143461]

>>12143450
You should have grabbed his dick and twist

[Anonymous No.12143465]

>>12143410
>permanently airborne
Oh no, I just don't want to refuel. Half the point of using a Catalina is so I could land at various tropical islands for food, water, and relaxation.

[Anonymous No.12143469]

>>12143056
>>12143053
from what i can tell starship is pretty close to max faget's straight wing shuttle entry profile - very high angle of attack at 2Gs until you get subsonic at around ~15 km

[Anonymous No.12143470]

Space is hard. How can we go to mars? first we have to solve muscle mass and fluid shift. then we have to eliminate radiation. then we have to bring food and air. will that be enough? no. it takes too long to get there. i would get bored on the trip.

all in all, there are lot of problems, nowhere close to mars. i will do everything in my power to ensure all problems are solved and risk is 0% and crew to 100% nonwhite before we EVER attampt mars

[Anonymous No.12143473]

>>12143363
The US government released videos of UFOs months ago

[Anonymous No.12143474]

>>12143465
Compromise: Electric zeppelin.

[Anonymous No.12143476]

>>12143469
>max faget
No need to insult the guy. That looks like a cool shuttle design.

>>12143474
Can zeppelins escape a typhoon?

[Anonymous No.12143482]

>Neptune's innermost moon, Naiad, is in a 73:69 fourth-order resonance with the next outward moon, Thalassa. As it orbits Neptune, the more inclined Naiad successively passes Thalassa twice from above and then twice from below, in a cycle that repeats every ~21.5 Earth days. The two moons are about 3540 km apart when they pass each other. Although their orbital radii differ by only 1850 km, Naiad swings ~2800 km above or below Thalassa's orbital plane at closest approach.
bro what the fuck

[Anonymous No.12143483]

>>12143470
good thing you have zero power and zero say while actual doers are doing

[Anonymous No.12143485]

>>12143473
No, they were aquired by FOIA by a beaner who got fired from the government and now he's grifting from the gullible. The tic tac vid was leaked 15 years ago. All the vids are unremarkable, only the witness accounts are interesting, which is not hard evidence. UFO does not equal alien btw

[Anonymous No.12143492]

>>12143482
This is just one more reason I want to colonize Triton.

[Anonymous No.12143493]

>>12143482
Check out Epimetheusand Janus

[Anonymous No.12143495]

putting jupiter and saturn back into a 1:2 resonance for giggles when bros?

[Anonymous No.12143499]

If photon loop meme thrusters work, could you not build one with variable geometry? That would let you thrust vector, yes?

[Anonymous No.12143503]

>>12143499
They're fucking glass hoops. Just give them full hemispherical gimbal.

[Anonymous No.12143504]

>>12143435
interesting. but in need of a better mic.

[Anonymous No.12143505]

>>12143482
Alien dreadnoughts

[Anonymous No.12143507]

>>12143470
>Space is hard.
If ever there was a phrase that I hope to see die out in my lifetime it's this one

[Anonymous No.12143508]

>>12143476
literally a cooler shuttle design. faget realized reusable thermal protection was going to be a big problem and the belly flop reduced the heat load on the orbiter by a factor of 5. the problem was the leading edges on the straight wings would have a higher peak temperature so they had to give up on it.

[Anonymous No.12143511]

bros why the FUCK is mercury in 3:2 instead of normal 1:1 tidal locking

[Anonymous No.12143515]

>>12143508
So will Starship have the reduced heat load of the belly flop entry? That's cool

[Anonymous No.12143516]

>>12143508
>the problem was the leading edges on the straight wings would have a higher peak temperature so they had to give up on it.
Meme hoops and modern material science to the rescue!

[Anonymous No.12143519]

>>12143507
I watched an old Challenger documentary and one former astronaut said that with a smile on his face in reference to the explosion. I spit out my damn milk

[Anonymous No.12143520]

>>12143507
when starship ride shares become a thing you'll be able to yeet Hubble sized payloads for a million dollars, and space will cease to be hard

[Anonymous No.12143525]

>>12143516
hoops?

[Anonymous No.12143530]

>>12143520
Space is medium

[Anonymous No.12143534]

>>12143525
Photon loop emdrives. Based on a lab result in Spain they seem to work. SSTO spaceplanes only need a TWR of 0.9 for horizontal liftoff, so if you can do it propellantless it's a huge win.

[Anonymous No.12143536]

>>12143530
>space requires at least some effort, but there's good YouTube tutorials and launches are cheap
imagine

[Anonymous No.12143539]

SPACE
IS
HARD

[Anonymous No.12143540]

>>12143519
Source?

[Anonymous No.12143542]

>>12143536
I can't wait for the sketchy tutorial with music and notepad writing explaining how to reserve a rideshare spot from a totally legit site called 5pacex.ru

[Anonymous No.12143547]

>>12143534
is this like a kraken drive?

[Anonymous No.12143551]

>>12143432
That's pretty neat

[Anonymous No.12143553]

>>12143542
>it turns out the site is legit, some russian kleptocrat managed to steal enough Starship scraps and parts to assemble a working launcher
I'm pretty sure this is the plot of Venusian 1

[Anonymous No.12143556]

>>12143540
https://youtu.be/2FehGJQlOf0
@47:00

[Anonymous No.12143564]

>>12140521
You forgot to link your recommended sources in the Salyut video description my man. Also if you took the time to add in some of the sources for video footage that'd be sweet too, kind of want to check out more of the Salyut-3 cannon footage I somehow missed when looking that stuff up earlier myself.

[Anonymous No.12143567]

>>12143553
FOREST DESERTIFIED
OCEAN WAVE AMPLIFY

[Anonymous No.12143568]

>>12143547
Sort of, if it works? It's basically using asymmetric motion of photons to generate net thrust, so I guess you could call it an IRL physics hack.

[Anonymous No.12143577]

>>12143567
CONSTANT TORNADO SKY
BLACK WATER NO SUPPLY
OTHER WORLD SURROGATE
INTERSTELLAR OUR ESCAPE
SULFUR STAR LIBERATE
GOTTA BEAT THE OUTBREAAAAAK

[Anonymous No.12143587]

>>12143567
pretty sure the first line is "pharmacy certified" (as a callback to superbug) not "forest desertified"

[Anonymous No.12143591]

How do you name your rockets?

[Anonymous No.12143593]

>>12143577
It's so relevant I love it

[Anonymous No.12143598]

>>12143593
>when post apocalypse fiction is topical and relevant to modern realities

[Anonymous No.12143601]

space guard with kino paint schemes when?

[Anonymous No.12143602]

>>12143587
While I can see this, I believe official posted lyrics say otherwise

[Anonymous No.12143605]

>>12143591
It's Endeavor, always Endeavor. No exceptions.

On a serious note, I hope Crew-2 blows up so Endeavor as a name becomes as cursed as Challenger and Columbia

[Anonymous No.12143607]

>>12143601
When we either get SSTO working or manned rescue stations with spin gravity in every major LEO inclination.

[Anonymous No.12143611]

>>12143605
>wishing death on someone just because it would be funny
I'd call you a horrible person but that would make me a hypocrite

[Anonymous No.12143618]

>>12143601
>United States Space Guard
>USSG 2001 "A Space Oddity"

[Anonymous No.12143625]

>a fucking car in space
bros what the fuck

[Anonymous No.12143627]

>>12143611
There doesn't necessarily have to people inside. Maybe if they static fire after refurb and BOOM

[Anonymous No.12143630]

>>12143625
people always make a big deal of it being wasteful or whatever but normal rocket companies just chuck a big rock or concrete or a dummy satelite or something as a test payload, why not a car?

[Anonymous No.12143634]

>>12143556
I wouldn't say that he said it with a smile, but the tone definitely seems off given the context of the conversation.

[Anonymous No.12143636]

west coast launches when

[Anonymous No.12143637]

>>12143634
he has one of those faces, like a perpetual slight smile. he's not being flippant or giddy

[Anonymous No.12143641]

>>12143636
Didn't LA get mad at SpaceX for that kino light show years ago?

[Anonymous No.12143646]

>>12143625
Got you to notice, didn't it

[Anonymous No.12143649]

>sun synchronous orbits only work if you have a thicc equatorial bulge
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.12143650]

>>12143625
Why not have fun with the payload mass simulator?

[Anonymous No.12143657]

vandenberg launching to the north so I can see them fly over fucking WHEN

[Anonymous No.12143660]

>>12143649
bro

[Anonymous No.12143666]

pluto lithobraking when?

[Anonymous No.12143667]

I'm going to move to Mars and I'm going to import pizzas and I'll have a monopoly on Earth pizza imports and I'll be the first Mars billionaire

[Anonymous No.12143668]

>>12143625
>implying the fairing deploy while life on mars played wasn't the greatest spaceflight moment of the 21st century

[Anonymous No.12143671]

why dont we put a really big gun on probes to brake them into orbit instead of aerobraking or rockets

[Anonymous No.12143674]

>>12143671
a gun is a rocket with solid reaction mass and a gas generator propelling it

[Anonymous No.12143675]

>>12143666
>lithobraking
Bluto aerobreaking when?

[Anonymous No.12143681]

>>12143674
yeah but then you can nuke mars at the same time you arrive

[Anonymous No.12143687]

>>12143675
just put a big metal sled on the bottom of the probe and scrape along the surface to brake

[Anonymous No.12143688]

>>12143681
I don't see the connection, we can aerobrake with interplanetary ballistic missiles, why do we need a gun

[Anonymous No.12143689]

>blocks your path
>"bluto id nod a blanet"
What do you do bros

[Anonymous No.12143692]

geosynchronous satellites with big fucking telescopes and HD video feeds for constant observation of areas when?

[Anonymous No.12143693]

ENCHILADA CRYOBRAKING NUCLEAR POWERED DRILLS WHEN

>>12143689
he's right Pluto isn't a planet if Ceres isn't a planet

Ceres > Pluto fight me

[Anonymous No.12143701]

>>12143692
presently

[Anonymous No.12143706]

>>12143687
Just jump off when you get there then tuck 'n roll.

[Anonymous No.12143707]

>>12143693
why dont we just slam a big fucking penetrator into the surface at like 50km/s to find out how thick the ice is bros

[Anonymous No.12143708]

>>12143693
Agreed, I like the dwarf-planet group.

[Anonymous No.12143709]

>>12143611
>>12143627
Compromise: Starliner gets the name and explodes on the pad during critical testing

[Anonymous No.12143714]

>>12143693
i dont want to hurt you anon

[Anonymous No.12143715]

>>12143707
planetary protection is an enemy of exploration and humanity, they're filthy xenophiles that won't let us do fun things like strip mining planets or nuking Mars or crashing moons into other moons

[Anonymous No.12143716]

>>12143701
KH-11s are all in pretty low orbit though, that pic was from USA-224 I think

[Anonymous No.12143718]

>>12143692
in 1975

[Anonymous No.12143719]

>>12143701
do you think we have james webb class recon sats?

[Anonymous No.12143723]

>>12143707
Seriously hope the Boring Company actually gets stuff done and isn't just a "lol funny" company from Elon. Right now they kind of seem to run on Blue Origin's ethos. Yeah they can do stuff but Elon isn't entirely committed. Imagine if they sent digging apparatuses across the solar system though. They could have names too: Digger Bob, Digger Jeb... The one going to Enceladus could be named Digger Nick lmao

[Anonymous No.12143724]

>>12143718
>we will just need more Saturn Vs
RIP von Braun's dreams

>>12143719
I think the feasible size of orbital optics, for recon or for science, goes up DRAMATICALLY with Starship operational

[Anonymous No.12143731]

>>12143718
Reminder that NASA could've launched 159 Saturn Vs with the money it spent on the Shuttle program. Which would have brought 18,547 more metric tons to space than what the Shuttle could've.

[Anonymous No.12143732]

>>12143724
Yes, but I mean presently. is it possible we've already built/launched/deployed a massive foldout recon sat that's basically jwst?

[Anonymous No.12143737]

>>12143731
i dont like this

[Anonymous No.12143743]

10cm resolution weather satellites when?

[Anonymous No.12143747]

>>12143737
The history of the US since 1963 can best be understood as being under the control of our enemies. This year we finally have a chance to break their power forever.

[Anonymous No.12143749]

>>12143732
No because JWST was and is a massive clusterfuck, hiding a second one would be both silly and improbable. Reality is that KH11 is already pushing what's optically possible through the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12143750]

>>12143737

It is the hard, painfull truth. The Shittle and now, the ShitLS, are big balls and chains shackeling NASA and keep it in place instead of moving forward into the future.

[Anonymous No.12143751]

>>12143747

[Anonymous No.12143754]

>>12143747
wait but how

[Anonymous No.12143758]

>>12143731
it gets worse though - saturn v costs came down rapidly during the production run as they figured out what they were doing. the initial few units were over $180 million apiece but boeing was projecting a unit cost of less than $120 million for SA-516, which had started production when future orders were cancelled in '68.

[Anonymous No.12143759]

>>12143747
I appreciate your enthusiasm but we're fuckity fuck fuck fucked if President Harris and Presidential Mascot Joe Biden get elected

[Anonymous No.12143762]

>>12143758
they took this from you

[Anonymous No.12143769]

>>12142958
Good, they will need that hatred to survive on the frontier.

[Anonymous No.12143772]

>>12143754
Congress was never really on the side of NASA. They saw it as a waste of funds the moment the first steps on the moon happened. Maybe even before that. They wanted NASA gone or at least gutted so the agency can't push for more missions and inspire voters to push for what Congress saw was a big waste. NASA fought back by making their architecture politically favorable, but that only eroded NASA's exploration spirit while giving Congress more power to control NASA.

[Anonymous No.12143787]

>>12143762
>putting a lox tank with more pressurized volume than the entire ISS into orbit every launch

my... god...

[Anonymous No.12143792]

>>12143787
you could have used that architecture to build a truly enormous ring station with room for science, tourism, zero gravity manufacturing, and anything else you damn well please

[Anonymous No.12143795]

>>12143759
That will not happen. OTHER GUY BAD never has and never will win a Presidential election in the absence of a compelling platform.

[Anonymous No.12143803]

>>12143504
Thanks.

>>12143564
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMrQCvH6ykN590j3giSzjDQ

Here is a channel you're going to fucking love. This guy has basically every video on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLsNDdS4ie0&t=190s
Here is the Salyut 3 documentary. It's in the description now.

[Anonymous No.12143804]

>>12143795
The polls are significantly worse for Trump than they were in 2016. But lol polls. Anyways let's not derail this too hard. What rocket would be best suited for launching Biden onto a solar photosphere intersecting trajectory?

[Anonymous No.12143805]

>>12143792
Gargantua-1

[Anonymous No.12143809]

>>12143804
Starship, probably

[Anonymous No.12143815]

>>12143803
Ayy thanks anon, good shit right here.

[Anonymous No.12143848]

What would the payload be on a blatant Chinese Starship copy? Here's what I'm thinking. They could probably do most of a Starship, but Chinese metallurgy sucks shit, so they'd be restricted to simpler engines. Something like a scaled up methalox Merlin. Would Wish.com Starship still work, just with a reduced payload?

[Anonymous No.12143851]

>>12143848
hypergolic Chinese Starship knockoff

[Anonymous No.12143856]

Blue Origin may be a leech of a company, but New Glenn is a really gorgeous rocket.

[Anonymous No.12143857]

>>12143848
it'll take them years to get propulsive landing figured out, they'd probably be better off just running with aluminum tanks

[Anonymous No.12143860]

>>12143668
Damn that was one of the greatest irl kino moments.

[Anonymous No.12143865]

>>12143804
SLS with a lander, definitely not Starship.
Starship will give a low delta-V but an absurdly large payload, SLS will give a high delta-V but a small payload.
Biden is a small payload, reaching the sun requires high delta-V.

[Anonymous No.12143868]

>>12143804
>What rocket would be best suited for launching Biden onto a solar photosphere intersecting trajectory?
Delta 4 Chubby has the most C3 of any rocket now flying, so that

[Anonymous No.12143870]

>>12143865
fully refuel Starship in a HEEO that skirts being loosely bound (maybe lagrange point fuckery?)
you'll get a faster earth departure this way than any SLS seven stage monstrosity

[Anonymous No.12143895]

wow big

[Anonymous No.12143904]

>>12143762
It's clearly two fucking stages what the fuck is this shit?

[Anonymous No.12143934]

>>12143904
yes but only a single stage went to orbit, thus ssto

[Anonymous No.12143943]

>>12143904
It was from a time when half stages weren't counted as full stages.

[Anonymous No.12143944]

>>12143934
based

[Anonymous No.12143947]

>>12143904
technically it's "stage and a half" like Atlas and iirc they wanted to recover the dumped engines like SMART reuse

[Anonymous No.12143948]

>>12143804
Ares-I X.

[Anonymous No.12143950]

HYDROLOX CARBON FIBER AEROSPACE COMPOSITES STARSHIP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12143951]

>731 replies
man, this has been a productive thread even with nothing going on

anyways, is it gonna pop tomorrow night?

[Anonymous No.12143952]

>>12143950
they tried that carbon fiber actually sucks shit, which is delightfully counter intuitive

[Anonymous No.12143956]

>>12143950
*hydrofluorine

>>12143948
srb-x

[Anonymous No.12143964]

>>12143956
Using politicians as mass simulators once they've spent 2 decades in the swamp and they keep telling people they're going to affect change as long as you vote for them seems like a good idea to me.
But hey, I'm unorthodox like that.

[Anonymous No.12143984]

>>12143951
they're never going to get it to pop. night after night elon will fly in more equipment to try to ramp up the pressure but nothing will work. sn8 never flies because sn7.1 never leaves the pad, starship is cancelled, spacex goes bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.12143998]

>>12143984
>What if we just move it off the pad?
>That's not how we fucking do things Jeff! Pack up your desk and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12144025]

>>12143856
It's just a giant fucking pencil. It looks dumb as shit.

[Anonymous No.12144030]

>>12143856
Yes it is a very lovely .png
Still waiting for any part of it to materialize besides the engine.

[Anonymous No.12144056]

>>12144030
they have fairings

[Anonymous No.12144058]

CONFORMAL
GLIDE
RETURN
BOOSTERS

[Anonymous No.12144069]

>>12144058
>Too tightass to get the giant chip in the windscreen fixed

[Anonymous No.12144087]

>>12144058
>conformal tanks AND drop tanks AND refueling
>israeli jet
where the fuck is this guy going? what's even far enough away from israel that they'd want to bomb where that's neccessary?

[Anonymous No.12144093]

>>12144087
;)

[Anonymous No.12144113]

>>12144087
Iran.

[Anonymous No.12144127]

>>12144087
Las Vegas, unironically
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article3637.html

[Anonymous No.12144132]

New Bread:
>>12144130
>>12144130
>>12144130
>>12144130

[Anonymous No.12144138]

>>12143435
history of nasa's unmanned deep space exploration program, should be a 2 part series desu
(one pre 1980s or 1990s one post?)

[Anonymous No.12144207]

>>12143984
SpaceX WILL go bankrupt (and that's a good thing)

[Anonymous No.12144344]

>>12143984
>the virgin GSE vs the chad SN7.1 tank