Is global warming a hoax?

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Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:06:44 2020 No.12129627 [Reply] [Original]

Is global warming a hoax?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:12:32 2020 No.12129645 vostok =/= global

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:14:17 2020 No.12129647 File: 92 KB, 1180x564, max09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yeah kinda

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:15:53 2020 No.12129650 >>12129645 What's even going on in the graph. Someone decipher it for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:21:48 2020 No.12129665 >>12129647 usa =/= global maximum =/= average

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:24:37 2020 No.12129669 File: 87 KB, 843x315, ClimateChangeMap.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129627 no ,but it's not a problem either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:26:09 2020 No.12129674 File: 244 KB, 1600x900, 1577050886858.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129665 How far do you wanna move those goalposts?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:31:21 2020 No.12129687
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>>12129674
old RSS is bullshit, it was shown to be so in March 2016.
Only morons like you refer to it anymore.

https://youtu.be/LiZlBspV2-M?t=3m50s

Sensitivity of Satellite-Derived Tropospheric Temperature Trends to the Diurnal Cycle Adjustment
Carl A. Mears and Frank J. Wentz
Remote Sensing Systems, Santa Rosa, California
(Manuscript received 23 October 2015, in final form 22 February 2016)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:33:51 2020 No.12129694 File: 195 KB, 1024x933, 1577046047344.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129687 >old RSS is bullshit Why, because it doesn't fit your a priori conclusion?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:36:00 2020 No.12129700 >>12129694 lrn2read

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:41:07 2020 No.12129712 >>12129627 Yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:41:11 2020 No.12129713 File: 79 KB, 521x400, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129694 >>12129674 >tropospheric measurements and regional datasets

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:41:18 2020 No.12129714 >>12129700 OK, now what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:42:24 2020 No.12129720 >>12129694 >doesn't fit your a priori conclusion projection, the post kek

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:44:19 2020 No.12129731
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>>12129713
>let's take reconstructed data from a few centuries ago and tack on instrumental data from the present, it'll be legit as fuck bro

>>12129720
You got an argument or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:46:39 2020 No.12129736 >>12129731 > argument or what Carl A. Mears and Frank J. Wentz do, and they are the ones running RSS

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:49:19 2020 No.12129748 >>12129731 >4 balloon dataset >ice core data from one site that ends in 1850 but claims modern temperatures because Easterbrook is a shill Why do you get information from the same old /pol/ infographics?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:51:23 2020 No.12129756 File: 109 KB, 1000x631, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129731

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:52:52 2020 No.12129760 >>12129756 gisp =/= global

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:53:42 2020 No.12129762 >>12129736 OK, and? >>12129748 Well, because most of it is correct and relevant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:54:12 2020 No.12129764 >>12129762 >and? >>12129700

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:54:16 2020 No.12129765 >>12129760 Yes, even more when GISP ends in 1850 but denierfags think it ends in 2000. That shows the temperature change in the GISP site

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:56:09 2020 No.12129769 >>12129762 Presenting a regional ice core reconstruction as global and saying it ends in the year 2000 when it actually ends in the year 1850 before anthropogenic global warming is purposely lying

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:58:21 2020 No.12129775 File: 281 KB, 2084x1120, Screen Shot 2020-09-16 at 10.58.02 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:59:17 2020 No.12129777 >>12129764 OK, now what? >>12129769 It's not lying, it's you missing the point. It's meant to show how drastically the temperature has been changing since long before industrial civilization.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:00:19 2020 No.12129780 >>12129775 >>12129731

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:01:22 2020 No.12129787

>>12129777
Polar temperature changes are not global. You clearly have no knowledge of the basics of how these datasets are constructed.
>>12129756
If you see this graph it shows that the temperature rise in the site where ie ice core is has been greater than in the past.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:02:32 2020 No.12129791 >>12129787 >Polar temperature changes are not global And your records of the Earth's temperature from before people started measuring it come from... where now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:06:02 2020 No.12129800 File: 622 KB, 1449x1025, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129791

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:09:38 2020 No.12129809 >>12129800 None of those are global either, Socrates. >but if you add them all together... So what does your data say? Does the rest of it agree with GISP2 or should we throw it out?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:12:05 2020 No.12129815 >>12129809 >>12129775 It's this one you absolute mong you don't even know basic shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:13:51 2020 No.12129824 >>12129809 GISP doesn't record modern temperatures and end in 1850. Modern temperatures in that site are higher than anything it records. How many times do I have to repeat it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:18:01 2020 No.12129836 >>12129815 >no other sizes of this image found You sure about that? >>12129824 This is the first time you're saying it, not that it matters. Check this out >>12129777

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:18:21 2020 No.12129839 File: 84 KB, 210x204, hot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129627 >global warming is real >global warming caused by anthropogenic carbon dioxide is fake

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:21:04 2020 No.12129845

For any climate smartboy here i got a question, no really
I saw a video of a dude explaining his carbon foot or whatever its called. He lives in a apartment that recovers heat from sewage, buys almost exclusively second hand, rides his bike everywhere and he only took 1 flight this year and he is still about 4 times over the limit that un says that will just stop global warming.
How do we acually solve this problem without starting living like we are in the dark ages?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:22:45 2020 No.12129851 File: 422 KB, 1520x1230, CC_trends_anthro.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129839

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:31:05 2020 No.12129864
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>>12129836
The modern warming in the GISP site is more drastic that what happened in the past.

>I need to be spoonfed on basic knowledge about climate science but here I am denying everything

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:36:14 2020 No.12129876

>>12129845
get big corporations to switch to renewable, whichll inebitably happen as oil becomes less economical

that and maybe geo engineering or carbon capture + planting more trees (which is already happening btw)

yeah theres some bad effects thatll happen for a bit due to lag but i wouldnt worry about it, itll end up getting fixed by the end of the decade at the latest

then instead of being happy about it we'll find a new thing to try and scare people about (like what happened when we fixed the ozone layer issue)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:39:06 2020 No.12129886 >>12129876 The most sinister issue is insect population collapse. People and governments are so hell bent on dealing with CO2 that they've completely neglected this issue. It'll do a lot more damage in a much shorter timescale.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:39:20 2020 No.12129889 Honestly I fucking hate having to tell the truth when I'm arguing for my position. Just posting random infographics you saved from /pol/ without understanding them, and some cherrypicked graphs while just lying non stop looks like so much more fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:40:06 2020 No.12129892 >>12129864 Half a degree more drastic than in the past not even 10K years, oh no, better shut down all the power plants right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:41:09 2020 No.12129898 File: 18 KB, 610x356, climateqa_hottest_ocean_temp_610.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129892 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:43:20 2020 No.12129904 >>12129898 highest ocean temps in 4.5 million years over the course of like 3 decades really isn't a good look.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:46:50 2020 No.12129911

>>12129898
You're just posting things without knowing what they mean aren't you? That graph doesn't present surface temperatures.
Back then the planet was under a completely different oceanic ant continental configuration and there were no ice caps. The ecosystem that lived back then developed and evolved in that climate. When we had general cooling and got the development of the polar ice caps the planet has entered an ice age (different from glacial/ interglacial periods). This current ecosystem has developed under those conditions and we are inducing rapid warming.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:49:54 2020 No.12129920

>>12129851
Models also show global warming is caused by reduced pirate numbers. Garbage in, garbage out. Their climate models are absolute garbage, they get every prediction they ever made wrong and don't even give the right temperature outside 1980-2000.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:49:57 2020 No.12129921

>>12129876
Ok we got big corporations to change to renewable but that like 20-25% of all carbon released plus that would be mega expensive but if it has to be done so be it
But what about everything else like electricity, the solar project kinda failed in germany they upped the price of their power while still having to power up their coal plants.
What about on land transportation, that still doesnt have a good alternative
what about sea transportation, the big cargo ships?
there are much more question and so little time by how much they preach climate doom
We would bacicaly have to invent at a brake neck speed's and have every country cooporate 100% witch is come on impossible
Looks like we have to do this crysis the old way head first into a wall

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:51:32 2020 No.12129928 >>12129886 Both problems are driven by the same greed and toxic attitudes. Either both issues get solved or neither will.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:51:49 2020 No.12129930 File: 506 KB, 2337x1891, cmp_cmip3_sat_ann-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129920 why are you straight up just lying? climate models have a fantastic track record.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:52:09 2020 No.12129932 >>12129920 You don't even need the models to see the temperature changes that are plainly evident in the instrumental and proxy record

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:12:03 2020 No.12129983

>>12129921
meh, EVs are already seeing a hige growth market among big companies and affluent types, its a matter of WHEN not IF they start to become more commonplace in society, probably after the next decade or so

greener ships have been in development and tested, as well as planes, although theyre a bit earlier on

the "deadline" stuff is pretty arbitrary too, theres no lime between "doomed" and "not doomed" its a blurry gradient thatll probably have some really shitty bumps along the way but ultimately has us coming out both adapting to the changes that do happen and putting a stop to the ones that don't.

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:14:36 2020 No.12129993

>>12129886
the "insect apocalypse" is based on inconclusive evidence done in one part of the world... while bee populations and pesticide overuse are a worry, theres a lot of awareness brought about to their dangers with the rise of beekeeping as a career and the accountability of pesticide companies being put to task.

plus, theres the whole "eating bugs" thing. i dont really think thats a helpful solution

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:18:37 2020 No.12130003
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>>12129932
Yeah because temperature changes are real.
>>12129930
>fantastic track record
Models so shit their combined 95% range is wider than the change isn't even really a prediction, it's like saying a d6 dice roll will be between -2 and 9.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:21:55 2020 No.12130007 >>12129983 Its not the popularity of electric vehicles its their usefullnes Today we have a max range of about 300-400 miles and a recharge time of at least 30min and yea green ships are early but that's my point we needed them yesterday

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:27:18 2020 No.12130022

>>12130007
"needed them yesterday" what does that matter really? we're getting them eventually anyway, i dont see the use in spliting hairs over whether or not its "too late" to adopt them. we're adopting them anyway, and although i personally dont think its "too late" for them i welcome them to become the norm in the near future

and the current EVs not being that great is kind of irrelevant when new better ones are consistently being developed along with new R&D

again this "time limit" shit is political arbitrarities getting in the way of actual keaningful discussion, and scientists are just as annoyed when news outlets get hung up on deadlines and doomsday clocks rather than discussing actual progress being made, which is pretty substantial, and unprecedented in history

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:31:12 2020 No.12130026

>>12130022
im not saying we SHOULD take our sweet time btw, but rather we are making great progress in renewables and are on track to be at a good pace for solving a lot of future issues

im also not saying therell be no consequences because nothing in life is that simple... but they are consequences we can adapt to while preventing future ones

the power of science is amazing!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:33:50 2020 No.12130033 >>12129876 Lol, planting more trees. Cal and Oregon already have too many trees, look what's happening.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:35:41 2020 No.12130040 >>12130003 >combined 95% range but the trend line is near-perfect

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:37:58 2020 No.12130043 >>12129920 >it's against my a priori conclusion so it's wrong Hurr durr

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:43:51 2020 No.12130059

>>12130022
Neither am i saying we should give up, just saying that some people are so into protecting the climate that they come close to being 'in your face vegan' crazy
still we have time its not like certain doom like you said. in like 200 years we will generaly know how to teraform planets witch means we will have to know how our climate works
But man today's ev's suck, we still got a long way to go there, but hey ice vehicles sucked to in the beginning

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:44:15 2020 No.12130061 >>12130026 I just wish you're right at this point. All I want is a future worth living in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:53:30 2020 No.12130081 >>12129627 Is the pope a gay pedophile satanist ?

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:54:15 2020 No.12130083
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>>12130040
It's not really any better than y=mx+c and it misses most of the data's structure. Look at residuals and instantaneous gradients, particularly after 05.
>>12130043
Its predictions are wrong so it's wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:08:42 2020 No.12130116 >>12129627 Yes, because it's CLIMATE CHANGE, not GLOBAL WARMING. Stop spewing buzzwords that are extremely dated. Some parts of the planet are warming, some are cooling, some getting wetter, some dryer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:12:18 2020 No.12130123 >>12130116 Climate change and global warming are exactly the same thing in this context.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:16:02 2020 No.12130129 >>12130123 Holy shit, I think to myself "anons on /sci/ can't get any stupied" yet here we are.

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Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:35:40 2020 No.12130174

>>12130123
as a call for action, yes
Global warming is, duh, global - the average global temperature going up. Note that the 75% of seas will be cooler vs the 25% of land.
Climate change ismore local, and more limited in time. For example, to the south of Greenland there is a cool spot because glacier melting is causing a flow of cold water.
At some point, if let run long enough, GW will cause all CC phenomena to be toward warm.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:43:45 2020 No.12130193 >>12130083 >Look at residuals and instantaneous gradients, particularly after 05. Jesus Christ, you really have no idea how any of this works. The pure dunning kruger stupidity of this post is even more cringe than the infographic poster.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:47:53 2020 No.12130205 >>12130083 >overall warming trend looks like another linear function so it's obviously wrong are you fucking retarded? besides aren't you the idiot who's saying global warming isn't real? Shouldn't you be comparing it to y = c?

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:30:16 2020 No.12130381

>>12130193
I know that if you've got trends in your residuals your model sucks.
>Jesus Christ
>no idea
>dunning kruger
>cringe
Not an argument.
>>12130205
I'm the one saying global warming IS real, going ever since the last glacial maximum. Man made gw isn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:59:12 2020 No.12130421 >>12129627 >>12129674 >>12129731 What degree do you have and how many years of research have you done? First, I want to know whether you're actually worth engaging.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 04:01:11 2020 No.12130423 >>12130381 >Man made gw isn't. >green house effect just does nothing bro

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 04:05:10 2020 No.12130427 >>12130421 I've won several Nobel prizes and muh dick is bigger than yours.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 04:06:38 2020 No.12130430 File: 55 KB, 526x701, cc_1912.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12130381 Yeah it's a total mystery where it came from

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 05:29:50 2020 No.12130582 >>12130421 >#Blocked

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 16:53:50 2020 No.12132454 >>12129627 Protip: yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 17:47:27 2020 No.12132672 File: 457 KB, 1125x995, Screenshot from 2020-09-17 17-46-07.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129904 >>12129911 OK faggots, how about this?

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