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/sfg/ - Space Flight General Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:20:21 2020 No.12126747 [Reply] [Original]

Always watching edition

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:21:35 2020 No.12126751 ELONG PLEASE CUM IN MY BUTT!

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:22:06 2020 No.12126752

I know I could do some easy googling for this but: what is JAXA’s budget like? Any chance they would see an increase? Also I know next to nothing about their rockets- desu I didn’t even know they had large lift capabilities until the UAE Mars launch. Do they like their rockets as they are now, or do they have plans on building new stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:22:16 2020 No.12126753 File: 110 KB, 900x675, 8a10xoqrgyu31.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] deflate me, jeff! ohhhh JEFF

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:23:40 2020 No.12126757 >>12126705 >>12126129 >>12126103 Representative democracy like the USA, but with UBI, and only the people who are not on UBI get to vote. It's all going to devolve into hypercapitalist quasi-feudalism during and after the demigod wars, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:24:40 2020 No.12126760 >>12126757 Congrats bro now you have a welfare state with oligarchs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:25:35 2020 No.12126762 >>12126757 Democracy is retarded

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:28:07 2020 No.12126773
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On September 11 France changed the name of it's air force to the Air and Space Force. France also recently established a Space Command and a space warfare research facility. The Air and Space Force is preparing for the first European space wargame, AstérX, which will occur in November.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/09/15/french-air-force-changes-name-as-it-looks-to-the-stars/

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:29:25 2020 No.12126775

>>12126760
It's really the only way to deal with populations upward of tens of billions, if your states actually start to have to govern people on that scale and they don't just inevitably fracture at some upper limit. The crafty and enterprising will claw their way upward, and the ambitionless populace will continue to simply exist as they are generally content to do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:30:01 2020 No.12126776 File: 170 KB, 1024x1539, budget cuts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12126753

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:32:06 2020 No.12126780

>>12126773
If Biden gets rid of the space force I will be LIVID. That's easily the most forward thinking thing Trump has done. We HAVE to expand into space for the survival of freedom and dignity against the strangling influence of China, a cancerous mass of authoritarianism and deception that must be opposed at all costs.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:32:10 2020 No.12126781

>>12126762
In the long-term, I agree. Hence the hypercapitalist quasi-feudalism.
But democracy can be fairly nice int eh early stages, and its useful lifespan can be extended by shrinking the voting-capable percentage of people without angering the masses too much.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:35:27 2020 No.12126787
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BOING released a video of the X-37B that shows what's inside the spaceplane's cargo bay: solar panels and radiators.

>X-37B operating in orbit
https://twitter.com/DutchSpace/status/1305835389907865602

>landing tracking shot showing the spaceplane maneuvering in Earth's atmosphere
https://twitter.com/DutchSpace/status/1305838044373807105

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:36:34 2020 No.12126792 File: 582 KB, 1201x319, Bruh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >he calls himself a Boeing "chad"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:37:02 2020 No.12126794 MARTIAN ABSOLUTE MONARCHY

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:37:05 2020 No.12126795 >>12126787 I mean, we already knew they were inside, but we were only shown cartoon graphics before.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:38:01 2020 No.12126797

>>12126775
Hmm yeah on second thought, I agree with >>12126762. The average voter is fucking stupid. Once your colony on Mars gets big enough to support english majors and artists and useless people, I don’t want those marxist uninformed crambones making important decisions. Decisions should be limited to the few, the smart, and the forward-thinking. The only problem is finding a political system that supports people like Elon making decisions and not people like nancy pelosi. Idk how you could get that to work

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:38:03 2020 No.12126798 >>12126792 >being poor

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:40:11 2020 No.12126802 >>12126798 >having a shit grasp on economics

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:41:44 2020 No.12126804 >>12126802 ok poorfag

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:43:03 2020 No.12126806

>>12126797
Elon is a strong advocate of direct democracy, a concept i find interesting if it's tempered right-I think referendums are a good idea but they should only have weight if you can get a 2/3 majority in support of an idea. Also i think FPTP voting sucks major ass and I much prefer approval voting, which is still very fair and always picks as winner the most liked candidate while allowing everyone to fully express their opinions about who they approve of ruling,so no spoiler effect.

I understand being annoyed with democracy-god knows the system is far from perfect-but I have to say that strongman systems have TERRIBLE records in areas I value and I would never go for them. I don't think the kind of people that are going to mars are going to be in favor of that either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:45:30 2020 No.12126813 File: 739 KB, 3227x1125, 1590947263073.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12126798 >Starliner >90 mil a seat >still doesn't work properly ok bro

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:46:05 2020 No.12126815 Damnit was trying to find if that Paul Wooster and Richard Garriot event happened but their facebook say it got canceled because of "unforeseen circumstances".

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:46:33 2020 No.12126816 File: 41 KB, 640x640, Waiting for launch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12126804 Boing still hasn't gotten their capsule to the ISS

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:47:40 2020 No.12126822 https://brevardzoo.org/bobndoug/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:47:47 2020 No.12126823 >>12126815 >unforeseen cirCUMstances https://youtu.be/_g2Sqjpkjr0

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:52:25 2020 No.12126831

>>12126806
>Elon is a strong advocate of direct democracy
I believe he said this would be the initial system. It makes sense to have a DD when the only people on your colony are engineers and geologists and biologists who know how to prioritize what needs to be done, what materials they need, how to mitigate problems, etc. But once that colony turns into an outpost, and then a city, direct democracy will just create people who will want to become career politicians for the sake of power fame and money. Just like everywhere here on earth.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 02:54:10 2020 No.12126836
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>no rocket launches tonight
>no race riots tonight
>no major disasters tonight, just a pussy cat 2 stalled over the swamp
>corona leveling off again
>no war with Iran AGAIN
>venus life a nothingburger until a probe can be sent to confirm it
c'mon 2020, do the thing

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:01:24 2020 No.12126854

>>12126831
Mammon and Moloch (greed and power) are powerful forces in our psyches. How can we fight against their malign influence,esp in politics?

Elections should be publicly funded, with candidates gaining access to funds by getting verified signatures of intention to support them in an election. Ad space is strictly regulated. There should be an absolute punishment for corruption of any kind or degree-even a single dollar of stolen public money should merit banishment. Lobbyists should be strictly regulated and politicians banned from taking such jobs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:02:28 2020 No.12126857 >>12126822 Anon were you responsible for this

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:03:51 2020 No.12126862 >>12126836 I've certainly been very disappointed with the 3GD for not collapsing

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:11:43 2020 No.12126888
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Space Force personnel will be trying out dress uniforms soon. You know, the stuff that would look like pic related.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/09/15/space-force-will-soon-let-some-members-test-out-dress-pt-uniforms.html

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:19:06 2020 No.12126907

>>12126888
It’s gonna be some shitty ungodly blend of navy/air force dress unis, complete with an ugly black color and white buttons... accompanied by an article about how “the black represents the unending blackness of space, and the white buttons represent the stars and the endless reach of the US space force blah blah blah”. Put me in the screenshot when I’m right

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:31:52 2020 No.12126934 Imagine the spacex suit, but blue with a mirror tint face shield and red tesla logo on the chest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:40:51 2020 No.12126949 >>12126888 >In July, Time magazine reported that President Donald Trump also suggested that the First Lady "should help design Space Force uniforms because of her impeccable fashion sense." Don't let us down, Melania.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:51:29 2020 No.12126973 Next rocket launch is a Starlink mission on the 17th. Still no announcement of the scrubbed Delta IV launch date

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:53:39 2020 No.12126976 fusion rockets WHEN burns in orbit casting shadows at night on the ground WHEN

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:02:32 2020 No.12126990 File: 21 KB, 385x550, char.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12126934 no, red, like this

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:13:42 2020 No.12127007 Two active threads

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:14:19 2020 No.12127009 File: 115 KB, 900x557, kharkovchnaka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12126934 mars suits should be light green to stand out against the background just like polar expeditions use orange

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:14:58 2020 No.12127013 >>12126752 The japanese have veeery smal penis

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:24:52 2020 No.12127028 File: 3.85 MB, 5568x3712, index.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it's going up

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:26:01 2020 No.12127031 File: 2.95 MB, 4896x3264, index.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh fuck oh shit oh fuck oh damn what the fuck it's happening

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:32:57 2020 No.12127044 RIP Jeb he crashed into the mun again because apparently I forgot how to land

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:33:31 2020 No.12127045 >>12127044 the mun is lame, minmus forever

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:36:18 2020 No.12127052 File: 1.66 MB, 1920x1080, Roving.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127044 thought I heard a bang somewhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:36:40 2020 No.12127054 File: 176 KB, 680x493, 1285770751942.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >fire laser at spaceship >use mirror to reflect the laser >use another mirror to re-reflect the laser >continue ad infinitum >... >unlimited ISP Problem?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 04:38:04 2020 No.12127058 >>12127054 you'll melt your mirror but yeah that works

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:05:35 2020 No.12127088 File: 156 KB, 625x417, mars colony.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127009 It doesn't really matter because no one is going to live on the surface.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:11:58 2020 No.12127107

>>12126797
>The only problem is finding a political system that supports people like Elon making decisions and not people like nancy pelosi. Idk how you could get that to work
Cavelosi and Sniff-Touch sell mammoth hunting ground to yellow tribe for shiny beads. Grug club them on head and leave near lion cave. Take back mammoth hunting ground.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:13:39 2020 No.12127111 File: 136 KB, 1151x744, index.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ALPACA!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:14:16 2020 No.12127114 >>12127111 imagine the smell

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:15:17 2020 No.12127116 >>12127111 are those engines made out of minecraft blocks

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:15:29 2020 No.12127118 >>12127116 yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:19:52 2020 No.12127127 see, oldspace can make cool stuff too https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1305857897188917250

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:22:14 2020 No.12127130 I just went away for 3 days and suddenly venus is popular WTF did just happened

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:22:41 2020 No.12127131 File: 61 KB, 500x500, MAR376.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127111 Lol easter egg fuel pods.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:25:08 2020 No.12127136

>>12127130
radar detection of phosphine gas in the cloud deck of Venus
this probably means we need to learn more about abiotic processes that can produce phosphine gas, and triple check to make sure it's not a false positive
but it could also mean life in the cloud deck of Venus

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:30:59 2020 No.12127142 Up to how many Bars did it go?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:34:19 2020 No.12127149 File: 999 KB, 250x251, 75e063a138607e9c5e9ee9e99471f0f6.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127142

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:34:41 2020 No.12127150

>>12127130
We detected multiple radio signals from venus. Even by pointing one antena to earth to filter the signal we could still see it. It has been replicated by four independent teams up to now.
Trump should make an annoucement on the joe rogan podcast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:36:48 2020 No.12127159 >>12127149 Cute bird. But it should have gone past 7 bars by now right? 7 is the human-ready threshold right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:38:13 2020 No.12127160 >>12127150 should -> will

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:45:10 2020 No.12127171 File: 80 KB, 320x423, dd6430ffed40931670f03574a60dd236.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127159 we just don't know

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:45:22 2020 No.12127172 >>12126862 They flooded enough of rural Sichuan province that they're having fairly serious food shortages at least in the local region. >they did just buy a record amount of grain from us

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:46:12 2020 No.12127174 File: 188 KB, 898x908, 7e4aa41e7c09a1f134199f49a8620f0e.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it is unknown

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:46:47 2020 No.12127176 Imagine if spacex has managed to increase fuel capacity by like 30% just by changing alloys. It would be so cool. >>12127171 i cant take the suspense anymore

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:48:05 2020 No.12127179 >>12127176 higher pressures doesn't mean more fuel, anon cryogenic methane is fairly incompressible also, the fuel load is currently limited by the T/W ratio

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:50:59 2020 No.12127187 >>12127179 Given a fixed volume and temperature how do you increase pressure without adding more mass? And the rocket equation I know but a bit more fuel always allows for a bit more mass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:53:20 2020 No.12127191 >>12127187 the volume isn't fixed because the stainless is going to expand slightly at higher pressures the temperature isn't fixed either the mass you're adding is in the gaseous form, and is minuscule compared to the mass of the liquid propellant

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:55:38 2020 No.12127195 File: 2.01 MB, 1537x1076, SMS-Prometheus visit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What should I add to the station next?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:57:04 2020 No.12127198 >>12127191 Anon, it kinda sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:58:07 2020 No.12127199 >>12127195 tomboy and femboy modules

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:59:43 2020 No.12127203 >>12127199 I'm running a space station, not a mental ward

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:59:59 2020 No.12127204

>>12127195
science lab
really big fucking antenna
a spaceplane that's bigger than your entire station
>>12127198
I do, I'm just really tired
anyway, you're not going to get 30% more liquid methane and liquid oxygen into Starship just because it reached a higher pressure, and even if that meant you could, you wouldn't because Starship only has six Raptor engines and if you increase the wet mass at staging it won't have enough thrust to empty the propellant tanks fast enough to get to orbit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:00:47 2020 No.12127207 >>12127150 Sadly there's a 0% chance Biden's handlers agree to that podcast ever happening

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:01:38 2020 No.12127209 >>12127204 the two red modules on the bottom are both observatories, but i like the antenna idea

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:02:44 2020 No.12127212 >>12127209 radiators

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:10:41 2020 No.12127220 >>12127195 A fuel depot

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 06:55:17 2020 No.12127261 File: 1.98 MB, 1920x1080, Eclipse launch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pretty

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:06:30 2020 No.12127269 File: 153 KB, 1222x698, Screen Shot 2020-09-16 at 5.04.52 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Uh oh /sfg/ chads Elon Musk is in danger

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:10:04 2020 No.12127277 File: 1.61 MB, 2000x1415, 1469963464841.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127269 NO REFUNDS

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:11:11 2020 No.12127281 >>12126854 >Ad space Lmao what is this, the dark ages? Political propaganda is done stealthily by adjusting trends on social media.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:11:40 2020 No.12127282 >>12127203 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:11:57 2020 No.12127283 >>12127269 Crazy Bernie still seething over Elon's bants from like 2 months ago lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:13:50 2020 No.12127288 >>12127269 he's still alive? thought he'd finally croak dead after all this bullshit

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:16:30 2020 No.12127292
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>>12126787
They were always pretty open about most of the experiments. It's always weird how the media plays it up as mysterious space plane. Im sure they are popping out some secret sats here and there or testing asat tech but it's all pretty mundane.
>>12127031
They keep pumping them out but no real testing? Don't they have a few starships ready to go soon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:18:30 2020 No.12127295 >>12127269 Well at least we weren't wrong about how they'd inevitably say "Why put all that money into space when you could put it into gibs?" But also who really cares? Bernie is officially no longer relevant thanks to Biden.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:25:52 2020 No.12127308 >>12127269 Literally 1930s commie dekulakization

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:44:44 2020 No.12127343 File: 999 KB, 705x693, SMS-CHCM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SMS-Communications and Heat Control Module is now installed

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:47:49 2020 No.12127350 >>12127269 How can you be this old and this rich without understanding how company shares work? Actually scratch that, he‘s probably being retarded on purpose, isn‘t he.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 07:54:56 2020 No.12127367 Does anyone have been following the Boring Company? Are they successful?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:04:50 2020 No.12127384 File: 93 KB, 1280x720, dolby surround 7.1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So no pop? SN7.1 is turning into a Top Gear episode.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:05:22 2020 No.12127387 File: 39 KB, 587x587, IMG_20200915_203159_981.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127199 >Valentina Kerman isn't a tomboy to you

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:25:00 2020 No.12127427 File: 187 KB, 448x464, cnm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127387 The things i would do to her

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:31:37 2020 No.12127436 File: 1.27 MB, 1920x1080, Screenshot_20200914-151651.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127427 >ywn RUD that kussy

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:36:13 2020 No.12127443 File: 76 KB, 276x180, unknown (27).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the fuck going on in my spaceship bruh

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:44:05 2020 No.12127460 >>12127269 Hey isn’t this the guy that defrauded his supporters to buy a third mini mansion?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:44:17 2020 No.12127461 >>12127443 Long term colony stability/sustainability experiment. Don't worry about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:48:35 2020 No.12127475 >>12127350 It's enough that the ones they're writing this for don't. It's politics, who cares about facts if it gets you votes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:16:30 2020 No.12127540 >>1212746 Uhm sweaty Its not a mansion ok? It's a $0.5M summer house, NOT mansion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:20:16 2020 No.12127548 >>12127443 Valentina wanted to spice things up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:24:08 2020 No.12127553 this isnt /kspg/ 2, fuck off with your videogame blogging

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:31:46 2020 No.12127565 >>12127553 I'm sure you'll find something extremely exciting going on in spaceflight today

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 09:59:54 2020 No.12127617 Forge world Mercury when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:00:05 2020 No.12127618 >>12127269 “The art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other” — Voltaire

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:03:49 2020 No.12127625 >Boing did it again https://www.wsj.com/articles/faa-boeing-blasted-over-737-max-failures-in-democratic-report-11600246802?mod=e2tw

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:16:43 2020 No.12127639

>>12126831
Just about any governmental system can work with a small enough group of like minded individuals. Communism, Democracy, Totalitarianism, etc. All the people know each other so everyone knows what everyone needs. Once you get to a point where not everyone knows eachother, that's when the form of government becomes a lot more important.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:22:56 2020 No.12127649 File: 48 KB, 501x532, He-is-right-behind-me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127625 Boeing? more like BASED They keep getting away with it bros, you gotta respect their consistency

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:26:40 2020 No.12127652 >>12127649 Why are Cessna's so cute bros?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:31:37 2020 No.12127669 Is there a general for ksp on this site?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:33:54 2020 No.12127676 >>12127669 There was once, on /v/, but it died a horrible death. /vg/ might still have some kerbal talk in the engineering game general but I wouldn't know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:37:36 2020 No.12127687 File: 1.42 MB, 1800x1077, Von Kerman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127669 on /vg/ but it's clumped in with Engineering games and no-one fucking uses the damn thread so it takes several years for a new post to appear

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:43:56 2020 No.12127698 >>12127669 >>12127676 ya, kerbal refugees are in /egg/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:46:52 2020 No.12127701 File: 75 KB, 640x360, when u install rss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127669 /sfg/ is the unofficial general for ksp

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:48:21 2020 No.12127706 >>12127669 There was one on /vg/ when KSP2 was announced, but it was too slow to stay alive among the gacha threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:14:44 2020 No.12127753 >>12127350 Worse thing he dies it would change nothing see Marx-Lenin-Stalin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:15:46 2020 No.12127755 >>12127753 *if

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:26:40 2020 No.12127782 >>12126757 UBI but not universally? You know what UBI is, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:28:42 2020 No.12127786 https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1306197217389277190/photo/1 cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:36:08 2020 No.12127804 >>12127669 Aside from this and /egg/ on /vg/, I've seen at least one attempt at a general on /vst/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:36:58 2020 No.12127806 >>12127782 Let's call it CBI then. Conditional Basic Income, which you only get it if you abdicate your right to vote and get sterilized.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:42:51 2020 No.12127821 >>12127806 More like CBT Conditional Basic Transtaction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:42:55 2020 No.12127823 >>12127806 lmfao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 11:49:17 2020 No.12127842 >>12127806 Service guarantees citizenship! Would you like to know more?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:24:08 2020 No.12127943 >tfw STILL no Q>1 Z-pinch fusion plasma rocket thrusters Why even be a space enthusiast, honestly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:43:00 2020 No.12127999 >>12127943 Shumlak is making good progress,I would hope Freeland is taking notice of it and seeking investment. A toned down version of his Firefly z-pinch probe for interplanetary use could be a game changer.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:45:20 2020 No.12128004 [DELETED]

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WOW freakin EPIC deep spacerino thread

Humanity’s destiny is most certainly in the heavens.

WOW GUYS I fucking love how cool space exploration is. HECKIN EPIC. Elon Musk is a god!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:46:06 2020 No.12128005 >>12128004 who are you talking to?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:47:13 2020 No.12128011

>>12128004
nice man!, im glad we're all happy people sharing the happines of humankind advancement. Nobody likes bad things like war and poverty and this is like, the total opposite. I love you all guys, humanity is winning, advancement willl keep going and going and going until everyone of us will be much much richer than even jeff bezos

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:50:02 2020 No.12128016 >>12128004 Sorry, but these threads are about getting away from faggots like you and the strawmen you tried portraying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:50:50 2020 No.12128020 >>12126854 Greed and power are good.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:52:03 2020 No.12128024

>>12128016
im sorry negativer( hehe thats my personal word for people who are negative but you should be understanding to them because they might have a reason to, yes i invent words, yes im creative and unique, no i may not create words for youo for free, creativity is work too) you may have thought this was a place for you to spew your mindestroyabadsociety (that one i wont explain hehe, hehehehihi) but as all of humanity in this great time of advancement and enjoyment your time is over, you want us to be sad, you want us to be miserable??? sorry, humanity is expanding musk is increasing technology and soon all will be bad, please join us in absolute happines nad leave your hate aside

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:52:31 2020 No.12128028 >>12127786 >https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1306197217389277190/photo/1 Thick

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:53:04 2020 No.12128031

imagine the guy who was set to handle the starliner clock, he's been a fan of space since he was little, he joined boeing honestly believing it was the better company and that if reusability was reasonable theyd be going for it, he once suggested to his superiors to try it out but they laughed at him and made him run 3 laps around the building because of that. He goes to 3 therapists, he has trouble convincing himself what he does is good. He dreams of elon musk disguised as princess leia telling him "help us boeing guy, youre our only hope", he once dreamt of cutting a valve without anyone noticing, cutting a cable, just one and no one would be the wiser but when he wakes up he feels horrible about it, he looks at himself in the mirror and says "that would be wrong, im not a bad person"
He goes to his job trying to keep the thoughts about spacex and cost effective rockets away, this is the big day, he should double check all of his duties, even the clock... even the clock? . well theres no reason to be so cautios, he did check the clock like... every time before work!, that makes it like 25 times in last month alone, and besides its not like such a hard task just looking at it for a few seconds would confirm if its right or wrong, but the clock is on the ship now he would have to log in, someone would ask him what he was doing, it might look bad on his career, besides other people were working with him the whole time, if the clock was wrong they would have told him.
And without him realizing it, the small voice that sounded in his head, of whos existence he was even barely aware keept insisting "don't check the clock, dont check the clock, dont check the clock" and in the end he listened to it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:54:08 2020 No.12128034 >>12127806 let's call it personalized productive incentive exchange, you only get it if you provide a service, and you get it from the person you provided your service, maybe we can trick centenials into working

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:54:46 2020 No.12128037 >>12127269 Lol does this retard not know how net worth works?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:54:51 2020 No.12128038

>>12127292
in that picture:
they have two Starships they just retrieved from hop tests
they have one Starship that they're putting aerosurfaces on for the skydiver test
they have another in the works that's a backup for that one
there are parts for a few more in the works but that's it for stacks right now

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:57:22 2020 No.12128045 >>12127999 The full sized version has >2000km/s delta V and thus lets you ride at 1g all the way to Jupiter and Saturn, no spin gravity needed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:58:33 2020 No.12128051 >>12128031 The official story was a cover up. Their software pajeets set the system time to India instead of Florida.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:58:45 2020 No.12128053 [DELETED]

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>>12128005
>>12128005
My fellow /spg/ friends who also appreciate the advancement of humanity expanding outwards to the heavens.

Wow DUDE this thread is really getting me pumped to visit Mars or the Moon someday. Hopefully it will happen in my life time.

Here, have some gold, kind stranger :) and thanks for the upboat!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:59:01 2020 No.12128054 >>12128031 based pasta >>12128024 I mean this is mildly funny, negativer is good though.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:59:11 2020 No.12128056

>>12128004
Welcome to the club! It's nice to see even more people getting excited for the next step in human evolution instead of becoming dull retards that think technology is stagnant and that we should devolve or stop founding research to spend more on food. Acknowledging the unlimited ressources that will be accesible to us once we get firmly into space and the improvement of the human condition that will follow is truly magnificent! Small warning; some people here have a weird hate of all space related things and seem to follow a cult leader with the name of "thunderf00t". Don't worry, they don't bite. ;)

Anyways, what are you more excited about: mars base or moon base?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:59:48 2020 No.12128060 File: 84 KB, 805x851, 562C3275-09ED-4C11-BDC5-C817266F42F3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128016 >>>12128004 # >Sorry, but these threads are about getting away from faggots like you and the strawmen you tried portraying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 12:59:54 2020 No.12128062 >>12128037 He knows. But he's a politician, he says what his voters want him to say. What he does is something completely different.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:00:17 2020 No.12128066 >falling for bait YIKES

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:03:19 2020 No.12128072 [DELETED]

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>>12128056
I think a base on the moon would be EPIC

Just imagine being able to see nearly all of humanity on that blue and green orb in one view!

Thanks for the warm welcome kind sir! Here’s some gold and an up-vote!

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:03:32 2020 No.12128073
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SLS is cancelled- the rocket will never fly, instead the expertise and hardware that went into developing the rocket will be repurposed for a revolutionary new type of space vehicle - one that is cheaper, more effective and draws on the proud legacy of 7 years of SLS development and manufacturing experience, built mainly from legacy hardware and only requiring the modification of the core stage and the creation of a new space vehicle (derived from the space shuttle) the new SLS (Shuttle Launch System) will begin construction after a preliminary design review taking place 1-2 years from now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:03:51 2020 No.12128074 >>12126822 bobndoug lives on surely a faster turtle than BO's

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:04:38 2020 No.12128076

>>12128045
Pretty astonishing if it can be made, we could go to mars in a fraction of the time that chemical rockets need. Apparently the russians are actually blocking out some kind of nuclear rocket now. Given some of their recent fuckups with nuclear powered missiles i am a little nervous about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:04:44 2020 No.12128077 File: 178 KB, 800x800, 70D8BB53-FF15-4F91-9900-59CE70B7F320.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ELON MUSK

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:04:49 2020 No.12128078 File: 1.93 MB, 1440x926, god.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just reminder: Deniers will lose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:05:46 2020 No.12128081 Jannies, we're gonna need a mop up on isle one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:06:56 2020 No.12128085 >>12128072 thank you too, its nice to see a place where we can be free from the mean people of humanity, the future will be space and will be good not mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:07:17 2020 No.12128088 File: 160 KB, 788x1000, (you).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128004 >>12128053 >>12128060 >>12128072 >>12128077 Here's your (you). Now go away

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:07:42 2020 No.12128090 >>12128034 Yeah but CBI is a natural eugenics program. You incentivize degenerates who chose personal gain over voting rights and future children to remove themselves from politics and the genepool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:07:59 2020 No.12128091 >>12128081 you know how i know you get good gifts from your wifes boyfriend? your first instinct when youre getting even slightly inconvenienced is to call a real man to solve the issue for you, literally made of soi

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:09:09 2020 No.12128097 >>12128076 Even a baby tier 0.01g brachistochrone would be a massive improvement over chemical rockets. 1g is Expanse tier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:09:12 2020 No.12128098 >>12128090 why not just make a drug thats really addictive and has sterility as a side effect , you save yourself the expense

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:09:28 2020 No.12128099 File: 42 KB, 642x380, mcculloch2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what did he mean by this

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:12:20 2020 No.12128107 >>12127999 >game changer Fucking hate this buzzword, honestly

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:12:36 2020 No.12128109 >>12128099 I think he's jumping the gun a bit there, he should really temper his expectations

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:12:49 2020 No.12128111 Where's the anon that just posts rockets and shit when the thread is getting derailed?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:12:49 2020 No.12128112

>>12128091
What exactly could he do to solve the problem of your shitposting? Responding just gives you ammunition to make more soiposts. (I expect a good soijack for this post-please make it a veiny one.)

I'm honestly gobsmacked that we don't have a martian gravity simulator mission from anyone planned. We've sent up space tethers before and a tether creating .3 g conditions doesn't need to be all that big. You'd think the Chinese would take action given they want to go to mars in like 20 years and flex their muscles in space.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:12:57 2020 No.12128113 File: 62 KB, 665x800, 624E4D90-6C47-4AF1-8741-ED619FC367D9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128099 WOW

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:14:05 2020 No.12128117 File: 1.64 MB, 3044x1770, the_centauri_highway_by_thobewill_dc7ese8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127943 >the virgin space enthusiast >THE CHAD SPACE DREAMER

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:14:36 2020 No.12128119

>>12128099
Prof. Tajmar has been shitting on emdrives since Shawyer first announced them. Now he's confirmed thrust. That's legitimately huge. Everything else he's talking about requires about a 100x improvement in efficiency PLUS linear scaling up to megawatt range power.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:15:33 2020 No.12128124 Why don’t we send satellites with ion thrusters to orbit some planet for a few years until it reaches relativistic speeds? Would be cool to see that happen with our own eyes innit

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:15:57 2020 No.12128126

>>12128099
He probably means he thinks he's getting reactionless (or at least propellantless) thrust.

On another note, when are we gonna have a black box that converts electrical power directly into organized kinetic energy? We can already do that with random kinetic energy (ie thermal motion of particles), doesn't seem impossible to just get all the particles to go in the same direction and maybe produce a little bit of waste heat along the way

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:17:32 2020 No.12128130 >>12128111 Probably either working or sleeping, or both >>12128117 I think >THE CHAD COSMIC DREAMER sounds better

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:18:17 2020 No.12128133 >>12128112 >I dont know how to solve my own problems and for some reason is someone elses problems communists really did a number on our country

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:19:05 2020 No.12128135 >>12128124 Literally just look at Mercury. Its orbit is deep enough in the sun's gravity well that it's distorted by relativistic effects.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:19:55 2020 No.12128138

>>12128124
you have no idea how orbits work, the orbit would increase steadily as the speed increases, it would abandon a planets orbit loooong before reaching even a laughable fraction of c

>>12128117
why isnt there talk of using laser propulsion for intra solar system travel?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:20:14 2020 No.12128139 >>12126762 Heinleinist Republic is the way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:22:48 2020 No.12128150 File: 2.48 MB, 1920x1200, 1425794504561.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128130 >THE CHAD COSMIC DREAMER much better

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:25:44 2020 No.12128156 >>12128138 >why isnt there talk of using laser propulsion for intra solar system travel? There is, but as usual it's just talk

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:26:18 2020 No.12128159 >>12128138 Laser propulsion only works with gigawatt scale lasers and you need another laser at the other end to slow down.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:26:39 2020 No.12128161

>>12128124
>Why don’t we send satellites with ion thrusters to orbit some planet for a few years until it reaches relativistic speeds?
Several reasons;
1. Ion thrusters use propellant and therefore obey the rocket equation. They get much more impulse per gram of propellant, but they still operate based on exhaust velocity and wet-dry mass ratio.
2. Ion thrusters don't have near the Isp necessary for a single stage to have enough delta V to achieve relativistic velocities. The highest Isp ever achieved in experimental electric thrusters on Earth is somewhere around 20,000 seconds, I think. Even if you designed a probe with a really good W/D ratio, 90% propellant by mass, that'd still only get you ~450 km/s of delta V. Good, in fact in a similar range as the single-stage delta V budget of a decent Orion nuclear pulse drive, but nowhere near relativistic.
3. Because ion thrusters have such low thrust, even if they had the efficiency necessary to get up to any significant fraction of light speed, it would take actual centuries of continuous thrust in order to accelerate that much. Ion drives continuously wear with use, because they're subjected to a low density wash of extremely fast ions the entire time they're operating, so you'd be very lucky to even get a decade out of a single thruster.
4. If you're accelerating, you're not going to be sticking around in orbit of a planet for very long. Orbits are literally defined by velocity and vector, so if you change velocity you change the orbit. You're not orbiting anything at relativistic speeds if it's less massive and dense than a heavy white dwarf star.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:27:20 2020 No.12128164

>>12128133
Yes, that communist ideal of basic image board moderation is a real humdinger.

Seriously, where's my soijack? You're going to disrespect me by not using one?

>>12128138
I think it's too early for laser or PROCSIMA to get much mainstream discussion, even though it makes a lot of sense. Having to carry fuel with you all the time is pretty limiting in space,offloading the energy via infrastructure makes a lot of sense. That being said, most of what we're trying to do is served very well using conventional rocketry. Our goals need to get big enough to warrant things like a laser railway. Right now our current goals make Starship look like insane overkill. My hope is Starship lowers the cost to orbit enough for it to click to people that space is infinite real estate and trillions of tons of useful materials floating around waiting to be harvested,and people start scaling up their goals to match the tech.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:28:36 2020 No.12128169

>>12128135
I guess, but slow orbital precession is kinda the lamest of the relativistic affects.
It's like getting your mind blown that astronauts that sped a year in space are like one millisecond younger than people who lived on Earth the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:28:50 2020 No.12128170 >>12128159 If you can create a laser system that remains focused for much longer and can do work over a longer period,you can make do with a much less powerful laser. That's why PROCSIMA is so interesting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:31:01 2020 No.12128178 >>12128164 >Yes, that communist ideal of basic image board moderation is a real humdinger. >Seriously, where's my soijack? You're going to disrespect me by not using one? stop replying to him soiboy

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:31:17 2020 No.12128180 >>12128004 (((you))) are a fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:33:48 2020 No.12128186 File: 31 KB, 821x204, 747.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lmao I can't even think of something funny to say. Wasn't Starliner's clock found to be based on India time or something?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:34:42 2020 No.12128189

>>12128138
>why isnt there talk of using laser propulsion for intra solar system travel?
Laser propulsion really only starts to shine (heh) if you have long acceleration lengths to work with. Going between any of the inner planets via laser sail would be shitty, you'd be better off using electromagnetic accelerator tracks. Going between the outer planets via laser sail may be a bit more viable, but again, if we can use electromagnetic launch systems it makes more sense to do so anywhere that we can set them up rather than using laser sails. Moving between the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud, and everywhere between, laser sails become more attractive. Moving between stars, laser sails start to dominate over everything. For moving between galaxies, grand laser sail highways stretching across thousands of light-years are pretty much the only option that is even viable, because the amount of mass you need to bring with you plus the distance you're trying to cross are both so extreme. Don't worry anon, as long as we can get real access to space and self-sustaining growth of orbital habitats in the asteroid belt, we'll eventually get to intergalactic laser propulsion systems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:35:38 2020 No.12128196 >>12128117 >tfw most of the easy to explore worlds have already been visited >tfw the technology to explore worlds in the oort cloud and beyond won't exist in our lifetimes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:38:55 2020 No.12128204 >>12128117 Imagine controling the border planets, we'd then have LOGH in making.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:41:36 2020 No.12128208

>>12128170
>If you can create a laser system that remains focused for much longer and can do work over a longer period,you can make do with a much less powerful laser.
Sure, but being able to get away with a less powerful laser is good for bringing the goal of tiny interstellar probes closer to being in reach, NOT for helping with interplanetary transport. While a weaker beam may be able to get a 100 gram probe up to significant fractions of c after a few years of thrusting, that thing is going to be well beyond the Kuiper belt by the time it reaches those speeds. Increase the scale of the payload by 10,000 times (a one ton vehicle) and decrease the available distance to accelerate by 100 times and your only course of action that can make your laser sail system an attractive option is to have a laser that is a million times stronger.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:42:14 2020 No.12128211

>>12128098
Because:
1. There are plenty of degenerates who aren't drug addicts.
2. Drug addicts often finance their addiction through crime.
3. They can still vote.
So not only will the non-addict degenerates still have children, but the addicts will still be responsible for a lot of crime and both of them will still be able to vote.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:43:34 2020 No.12128214

>>12128186
>Wasn't Starliner's clock found to be based on India time or something?
IIRC the error between the mission clock and the actual expected time matched up exactly with the local time of some city in India that Boeing has outsourced work to, or whatever that's called

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:46:54 2020 No.12128221

>>12128196
My nigga, visiting doesn't count as fully explored, this isn't Ksp. That fag from spain who first landed in America didn't know about the giant redwood forests, or the grand canyon, or the great lakes, or the uranium and thorium deposits, etc etc. Our little tonka toy robots have effectively accomplished the same amount of recon as two guys in two days could do with a shovel, a camera, and a note book

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:48:31 2020 No.12128225 >>12128211 >1. There are plenty of degenerates who aren't drug addicts. but all of them are easily manipulable, just make it cool for shitty people but totally unaceptablef or serious people, put it in rap music or something and youre done

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:51:42 2020 No.12128233 File: 54 KB, 908x191, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Japan has identified the motherlode, and are on their way there right now

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:52:21 2020 No.12128238 >>12128186 >>12128031

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:52:55 2020 No.12128239
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>>12128221
My nigga right here is correct. One lander on venus in the 70's does not equate to "haha well we've been there and done all we need to do"

We've fucking been on this Earth 2 million years and we are still learning loads of geology every decade

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:59:56 2020 No.12128260 >>12128161 >3. 3D printer onboard that prints its own replacement engine attached by a robotic arm once sensors deem it necessary to replace

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:01:13 2020 No.12128266 >>12128233 that long to get to it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:01:26 2020 No.12128269 >>12128260 would it be possible to put something like a particle vacuum in space that just scoops up interstellar medium until it fills a tank with hydrogen? like, no matter how long it takes someone will use it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:04:01 2020 No.12128276 File: 36 KB, 720x720, 1388690753939.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12127475 >who cares about facts if it gets you votes. But he isn't even running for anything.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:04:37 2020 No.12128279
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>In the summer of 2019, a former ULA employee claimed that Boeing, NASA's prime contractor for SLS, viewed orbital refueling technology as a threat to SLS and blocked further investment in it.

>"Senator Shelby called NASA and said if he hears one more word about propellant depots he’s going to cancel the space technology program."

Punished depots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:07:25 2020 No.12128286 >>12128266 Hayabusa has already completed its mission and now is just kinda floating in heliocentric right now they found an asteroid they can get to with nothing but gravity assists, and it's the fucking motherlode

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:08:39 2020 No.12128289 >>12128279 Now all lunar landers are going orbital refueling since they know what's coming and can't stop it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:12:41 2020 No.12128297 >>12128004 Onions boys don't care about space anymore, they would much prefer to give that money to african warlords and then wonder why 20 billion dollars of aid made the continent worse.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:13:48 2020 No.12128303 >>12128196 Shitty robots driving 200 feet isn’t exploring.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:13:54 2020 No.12128304
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Anyone watching this new netflix documentary thats out today? I'm in the first episode and theres a lot of background on manned spaceflight and lots of archive material. It's pretty good so far.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:17:27 2020 No.12128315
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Aerogel insulated propellant tanks when?

This would essentially make toxic hypergolic fuels obsolete. The trick is to develop a dedicated vibration-resistant aerogel that doesn't disintegrate if one of the astronauts farts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:17:49 2020 No.12128318 >>12128289 also because fixed price per ton contracts

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:23:05 2020 No.12128332 >>12128315 Aerogel can't hold hydrogen, so it'd only be useful for methalox/kerolox.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:27:19 2020 No.12128344 >>12128304 Just watch the free version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FehGJQlOf0

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:34:39 2020 No.12128367 >>12128304 Do you think we'll name another spacecraft Challenger or Columbia or are these names forever cursed?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:34:57 2020 No.12128368 >>12128214 India has one time zone. It matched IST.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:35:29 2020 No.12128371 File: 2.23 MB, 1398x768, 1589503308258.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128072 >>12128077 >>12128113 (You) have to go back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:35:43 2020 No.12128373 >>12128367 Cursed until the end of this century, at very least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:40:48 2020 No.12128383 >>12128332 You don't need to hold the fuel with the insulation, do you think the orange foam holds hydrogen directly? >internal tank >aerogel insulation >external cladding

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:44:57 2020 No.12128397 >>12126888 Which legend of the galactic heroes to watch first? Where to watch it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:47:34 2020 No.12128414 >>12128233 30m is really small for an asteroid. There are bigger houses. Imagine if it was an unique opportunity to provide cheap fuel for a mission who would get to decide on it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:48:20 2020 No.12128418 >>12128367 Maybe, maybe not. Regardless of associations with tragedy, the name Columbia is probably too non-PC to ever be used again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:48:50 2020 No.12128422 https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_spacecraft_in_the_Culture_series We're going to get some weird ship names going forward.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:52:17 2020 No.12128438 >>12128422 >Big Sexy Beast

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:53:08 2020 No.12128441 >>12128297 Explain the Everyday Astronauts, his trillions of followers and /r/elonmusk

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:54:06 2020 No.12128445 >>12128441 >trillions Anon I know you're being hyperbolic, but

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:55:21 2020 No.12128448 Will each Starship be named like the Shuttles? >inb4 Starship Gaschamber

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:55:53 2020 No.12128451 >>12128445 dont you mean hypergolic

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:57:30 2020 No.12128453 >>12128448 yes, but probably only the manned ones. They've already picked out the name for the first one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:58:43 2020 No.12128458 >>12128453 Oh really? What’s the name?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:00:24 2020 No.12128462 >>12128458 Heart of Gold

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:10:38 2020 No.12128479 File: 560 KB, 2600x1200, starship_feature.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128462 k i n o

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:13:20 2020 No.12128481 File: 121 KB, 1024x680, QM-2_SLS_SRB_Test-1024x680.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the 40 year old booster

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:14:16 2020 No.12128482 >>12128481 Good news everybody, it still works! See you all next year!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:15:38 2020 No.12128486 >>12128462 someone post the steel color chart by exposure to temperature

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:15:54 2020 No.12128487 What species of micro-organism will we be culturing in our biodomes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:15:55 2020 No.12128488 >>12128481 They still using the same O rings?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:16:08 2020 No.12128489 >>12128488 I think so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:17:27 2020 No.12128491 >>12128304 >Executive Producer >JJ Abrams

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:20:57 2020 No.12128501 >>12128489 Why would they do something so idiotic

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:21:54 2020 No.12128506 >>12128501 muh jerbs

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:22:40 2020 No.12128509 >>12128501 Those jobs won't create themselves.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:25:34 2020 No.12128515

>>12128260
>3D printer onboard that prints its own replacement engine attached by a robotic arm once sensors deem it necessary to replace
Dude, if you need to carry all that extra mass in materials to make ion drives, you could just bring more ion drives. Pro tip, that's what most probes already do regardless of propulsion type; the engines they use are so small that it doesn't hurt to bring along an extra or two.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:27:16 2020 No.12128524

>>12128269
That causes drag because you're picking up mass as you go and slowing it down relative to you. You need a system that can get more energy and momentum out of the gas it scoops than the scooping process robbed from your vehicle. This is why fusion-powered bussard ramjets won't work, but antimatter annihilation bussard ramjets could potentially work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:27:41 2020 No.12128525 >>12128487 Methylococcus capsulatus for both protein/fat spread for bread and to feed the fishies for when the aquaponics farm is running

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:28:17 2020 No.12128526 >>12128279 >crew on a propellant depot why

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:28:35 2020 No.12128527
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>>12128383
Hmmmm I'm no expert in aerogel. Would it really be that much better of an unsulator if we could create some that wouldn't break under the forces of launch/landing? I guess it's better than my crazy idea a few threads back: try to find a way to make the hypothetical supersolid (this is basically unobtainium right now). Lol. Someone give me the facts on aerogel insulation please

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:28:51 2020 No.12128528 >>12128526 someone has to man the toll station

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:30:01 2020 No.12128530 >>12128526 More jobs for hick alabama people. Get gas station workers up there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:31:37 2020 No.12128535 >>12128479 Does Starship even when refueled in orbit have enough delta-v to go that far?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:32:36 2020 No.12128540 >>12128527 Yes, it would be lighter and nearly eliminate convection losses, throw some Mylar layers across the interior pressure hull and you’ll need very little energy to maintain heating

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:34:20 2020 No.12128543

>>12128315
Hypergolics have much more in terms of advantages than just "room temp liquid". Namely, they're hypergolic, so a lot of difficult combustion cycles get a lot simpler since you only need to worry about pressures and temperatures and flow rates without needing to worry about actually igniting the various chambers. Another advantage is their density; being dense is almost as good as having low molecular weight (ie being efficient) because of the gains you make in terms of mass fraction. This is why, all things being equal, propane is a better propellant than methane, because despite being less efficient it is much more dense as a sub cooled liquid, and thus allows you to squeeze out a better mass fraction and get more delta V per stage more easily.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:35:25 2020 No.12128544 >>12128491 I thought you were meming but woah thats actually true

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:36:05 2020 No.12128546 >>12128535 Sure, just depends where you're starting from. Not from Earth orbit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:36:50 2020 No.12128549 >>12128535 It does if you launch from Mars

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:38:16 2020 No.12128552 >>12128491 how does jewjew binks still get work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:41:46 2020 No.12128561 Do you guys think that someone might build a space elevator in moon when the colonization gets going there? Would that make transportation in and from the moon cheaper?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:43:07 2020 No.12128565

>>12128535
Yes, but also no.

It took new horizons, leaving Earth at a velocity of 17.2 km/s, to reach Saturn in 2.5 years. Starship when fully fueled (but also with 100 tons of payload) has a Delta V of 6.8 km/s. LEO velocity is 7.8 km/s. A fully fueled Starship can this reach 14.6 km/s, fast, but too slow.

However if Starship is sent onto a Lunar crossing orbit, it is already moving at 10.9 km/s. A fully fueled Starship on a Lunar crossing orbit can this reach 17.7 km/s - faster than new horizons, even, and with 100 tons of payload. But this requires refueling from an already very energetic orbit, and still results in a mission that is several years long (5 at a minimum, if the trip out is 2 years).

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:52:50 2020 No.12128591 >>12128526 to sell ya some snacks

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:53:35 2020 No.12128594

>>12128561
This meme needs to fucking die. Space elevators will never be built. Not in our lifetime at least. Nor our childrens nor grandchildrens. You can get just as much stuff into orbit via a starship or new glenn. For cheaper. Wanting a space elevator is like wanting a SSTO rocket. Yes it sounds good on paper, but it is impractical given that you can do far more for far cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:57:36 2020 No.12128604 >>12128526 to unlock the bathroom door for you

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 15:59:00 2020 No.12128610

>>12128279
Is there any thought put into orbital depots? I've always wondered where the fuel will come from, shipping it directly from earth sounds expensive even with Starship. Would it also be high enough to avoid any other objects in LEO? I feel like having a massive fuel tank in orbit get ripped open would be a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:03:37 2020 No.12128631 >>12128535 who the fuck cares, starship is the space truck that the shuttle promised. Asemble whatever the fuck you need in orbit for dirt cheap, just send however many propulsion modules you need preferably nuclear and get there like in 3 months

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:07:38 2020 No.12128636

>>12128561
Space elevator from the moon is not nearly as hard as on earth, it could even be anchored at one of the poles. It's still a megastructure, with all the problems of something enormous such as being easily wrecked.
>>12128610
The problem is that orbits are not fungible. You can't just throw fuel up to a random orbit and decide what to do with it later. You also can't just throw any old fuel up there, since there is already hydrolox, methalox, kerolox. And hydrogen is a pain to keep cryo and to keep from leaking right through the hull.
The best "depot" is a tanker launched just before or after the ship that will need the fuel.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:08:40 2020 No.12128643
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https://www.airforcemag.com/heres-what-tory-bruno-thinks-about-the-future-of-space-launch/
>“Launch vehicles that take off from the Earth will never go past [low Earth orbit],” he said. “We will drop those payloads off, just orbital, and there will be a space transportation system of assets that stay in space, that will pick them up and move them through Earth orbit and through cislunar space.”
>Space Transportation System
WE COULD HAVE HAD THAT WITH THE SHUTTLE IN THE 80S BUT FUCKING NIXON CANCELLED ALL OUR NUCLEAR ROCKETS AND THE SATURN V REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:10:50 2020 No.12128650 Watching the challenger documentary i never realized that NASA sent a senator and a congressman to space. Couldnt they just put shelby on the first SLS flight now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:12:51 2020 No.12128654 >>12128610 Probably it will be done by direct starship refuels at first, and eventually they might build a dedicated CH4/LOX refinery in the LEO scooping the raw materials from the atmosphere and producing the fuel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:13:11 2020 No.12128657 Jim Bridenstine is so fucking based

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:13:12 2020 No.12128656 >>12128650 EXPENDABLE SENATORIAL LAUNCH PAD INSULATION

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:14:14 2020 No.12128660 aka "Barfin" Jake Garn They also sent up John Glenn, so I guess that makes two senators.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:16:16 2020 No.12128663 >>12128657 Also he is BIG

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:16:48 2020 No.12128665 File: 77 KB, 1080x719, 1599030110344.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128657

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:16:55 2020 No.12128666 >>12128657 Muh Venus

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:17:25 2020 No.12128668 >>12128657 >>12128663 BIG JIM "BASED" BRIDENSTINE

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:17:37 2020 No.12128669 File: 409 KB, 975x358, Elon no.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128657 he's fucking wide too

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:18:06 2020 No.12128672 File: 136 KB, 357x287, apu notes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128666 >Satan digits downplaying the value of landing on the Morning Star

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:19:22 2020 No.12128678 >>12128665 woah, just a couple threads ago i made an offhand shitpost about licking jim's pits. i didnt know this was a real meme. am i psychic bros? or does it take a pit sniffer to know a pit sniffer

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:20:05 2020 No.12128680 >>12128666 >Satan doesn't want us stealing his planet Crusade: coming to a planet near you later this century!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:21:10 2020 No.12128681 >>12127107 IQ test on every ballot. Your score minus 100 is your vote multiplier. (Negative is still 0)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:23:33 2020 No.12128690 >>12127269 I wonder how many people Sanders has employed vs how many Musk has.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:27:14 2020 No.12128696 >>12128665 https://www.myinstants.com/instant/pe-ko-pe-ko-pe-ko-pe-ko-47771/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:27:38 2020 No.12128697 is there uranium in space? if we could have nuclear fuel processing off earth then the main disadvantage of nuclear rockets would be offset

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:28:54 2020 No.12128702 >>12128681 Anyone know how well this would work at all? Doesn't seem great. >>12128697 Pretty sure there is. Don't see why there wouldn't be.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:30:24 2020 No.12128708

>>12127269
Why do people specifically go after Musk when he's one of like 3 billionaires doing cool things with this wealth, rather than just hoarding it like the rest?
There are billionaires who fuck children and get away with it. Billionaires who fund both sides of wars and profit of them, billionaires who exploit the resources of entire nations just to steal from them and sell it at a massive profit. Billionaires who massively upsell life-saving drugs, preventing people from getting the treatment they need.
And people keep bitching about Musk because his companies are successful.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:31:39 2020 No.12128712 File: 292 KB, 1436x956, 277777777 GET heebs mad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128680 The GET today confirms.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:31:58 2020 No.12128713
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>>12128665
PE:arrow_upper_right: KO:arrow_lower_right: PE:arrow_upper_right: KO:arrow_lower_right: PE:arrow_upper_right: KO:arrow_lower_right: PE :arrow_upper_right: KO:arrow_lower_right:
(hop when)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:32:16 2020 No.12128716 >>12128708 People bitch about Musk because the billionaires doing all those depraved things own the media companies telling them to hate him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:34:04 2020 No.12128718 >>12128099 big true if

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:34:37 2020 No.12128721 File: 187 KB, 535x269, Screenshot_2020-09-16 Kay Yu on Twitter.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128713 UNLIMITED HOP WORKS https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1295524430689349632

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:37:44 2020 No.12128730 File: 32 KB, 331x758, SLSARES.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's your SLS bro

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:38:30 2020 No.12128734 >>12128712 well shit i guess musky can become the new HRE then

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:38:50 2020 No.12128735 >>12128712 Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:39:40 2020 No.12128738 >>12128730 > it has boobies

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:41:50 2020 No.12128747
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>>12128734
Trump will be Emperor. Elon will be Imperial Viceroy of Mars. Buzz Aldrin will be Imperial Viceroy of the Moon. Whoever builds Acid Cloud City will be imperial Viceroy of Venus. Bezos will be the Space Janny of the Lagrange Points.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:42:29 2020 No.12128750 >>12128712 Based and Christpilled Link?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:42:50 2020 No.12128752 >>12128747 drumpfy isnt gonna be shit lol

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:43:23 2020 No.12128756

>>12128708
Elon's promotion of the "we can easily go all renewable energy" meme is pretty fucking stupid. You would think he would leap on the fusion train at least, given that the situation on the ground has had such a sea change vs 10 years ago. SPARC and Tokamak Energy alone should be enough to make everyone quit with the "always 20 years away" BS,not to mention the more experimental approaches gaining ground.

But I do think the hate for him is amusing. As far as billionaires go, he's pretty good. I don't know why he's sperged out so badly about masks and shit he clearly knows nothing about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:43:51 2020 No.12128758 >>12128712 OUR BASED LORD REVEALS HIMSELF

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:44:42 2020 No.12128760
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>>12128750
It's still up in the archives.
>>>/pol/277777777

>>12128752
You missed the Cardinal giving the opening benediction for this year's RNC, and Melania's conversion.

>>12128756
Elon is pushing for things that he can personally build to make things better on Earth and Mars. The biggest barrier for nuclear is government regulation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:46:35 2020 No.12128765 File: 36 KB, 800x800, SUPER SLS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not launching your crew and cargo in one go hire me NASA

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:47:08 2020 No.12128770 >>12128756 No, you'd expect him to go hard on nuclear fission power considering how superior it is to effectively every other option currently available in almost every scenario.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:47:25 2020 No.12128773 >>12128712 Big Guy Upstairs's miracles are a lot less impessive these days

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:47:31 2020 No.12128774

>>12128747
Anon,there is a pretty strong chance Trump is not going to be president much longer. I know that last time the polls were not very accurate,but this time around the gap is larger and popular opinion around covid is pretty neg on trump. it's a reflection of how bad biden is as a candidate that the lead he has isn't bigger. I don't think he's going to be able to hold onto the swing states.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:49:58 2020 No.12128782

>>12128770
It has the downside of mountains of black PR from popular culture going back decades. that goofy chernobyl series was just the cherry on top. Fusion at least has a chance of a fair shot-most of the pop sci about it is quite positive and it shows upin fiction almost always as a good thing, so it does not have that black PR burden to the same extent.

I salute companies like Oklo that soldier on in spite of that, but it's an uphill battle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:49:59 2020 No.12128783 >>12128756 How successful have been the later experimental fusion reactors? I haven't been paying attention so I have no clue.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:51:49 2020 No.12128789

>>12128773
You don't think QI-based emdrives working counts as a miracle? The quantum vacuum is basically the force of Creation itself, with particle-antiparticle pairs spontaneously popping into existence for no reason.

>>12128774
The polls are even faker this time. Biden can't get 20 people to fill a room while Trump has five digit crowds at airports in open defiance of governors' lockdown orders in swing states like Nevada.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:54:49 2020 No.12128797
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>>12128783
Let me put it this way anon-this company is now talking about generators. Not reactors, GENERATORS.

This isn't PR-speak,it's hiring speak to nuclear engineering experts. They're designing a product now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:58:11 2020 No.12128806 >>12128774 I hope you're shitposting because even the most retarded leftwing fags i know have practically given up at this point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:58:14 2020 No.12128807 File: 107 KB, 1024x628, hope paul.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128797 >kJ scale fusion generators GIVE THAT MAN A NASA GRANT WE LOW ALPHA NOW

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:58:41 2020 No.12128809 >>12128789 Dismissing natural phenomena as magic is unscientific. Weird things are always magic until they're understood. You would have said the same thing about lightning and rainbows 1000 years ago.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:58:43 2020 No.12128810

>>12128304
How do you make a long-ass documentary about this?
It‘s literally just one meeting that went wrong where managers tried to outvote physics.
At best you could make some cliched story about hubris out of it. Just the usual hollywood shit:
SPACE IS TOO HARD
STAY ON THE GROUND
DON‘T TRY TO CHANGE OR DISCOVER ANYTHING
GO HOME TO YOUR FAMILY AND BE A BELOW AVERAGE DAD UNTIL YOU DIE FROM SOMETHING ORDINARY AND UNEXCITING!

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 16:59:36 2020 No.12128815

>>12128782
Yeah. It's very unfortunate how immensely skewed perception of nuclear power is in the minds of so many people.
>>12128797
I'm betting zero dollars that EM drives or Fusion reactors get invented this decade. I'd fucking love otherwise though.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:00:54 2020 No.12128818

>>12128815
>I'm betting zero dollars that EM drives or Fusion reactors get invented this decade. I'd fucking love otherwise though.
There are two separate papers from teams confirming emdrive thrust in line with quantized inertia predictions forthcoming.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:02:51 2020 No.12128824 >>12128818 >he fell for it

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:06:33 2020 No.12128835

>>12128815
Anon,I genuinely think that a net-gain fusion reactor exists right now, and that the company is holding off on saying anything until they have a commercially ready product. They're basically admitting to it in job postings,postings that would make any plasma physicist start violently and say "what the fuck are you implying?".

That could be revolutionary for spaceflight as well as energy-a proper fusion rocket makes a chemical one look like a toy,given the energy density of its fuel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:09:28 2020 No.12128847 >>12128835 sauce? SAUCE ON THE IMPLICATIONS

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:11:01 2020 No.12128849 >>12128847 The jobs post is real. https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/1995063877

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:11:15 2020 No.12128851 File: 1.15 MB, 3440x1440, screenshot88.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's all coming together.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:12:54 2020 No.12128853
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You motherfuckers need to learn to read scientific papers and understand what it means to be "peer-reviwed". I'm not trying to dismiss the QI EM Drive crowd; I'm trying to help y'all. Don't fall for the bait. No one is "implying a breakthrough in job postings". No one "separately confirmed thrust that blew their minds and broke physics." No one is "sitting on a working fusion reactor waiting for a buyer". Everyone in this thread WANTS reactionless drives and fusion power. But these are not the breakthroughs y'all think they are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:16:56 2020 No.12128858 >>12128853 >You motherfuckers need to learn to read scientific papers and understand what it means to be "peer-reviwed". I learned how peer review works literally on my father's knee as a boy. I still think QI and fusion are coming.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:21:07 2020 No.12128865 >>12128858 >Getting spanked while being lectured about the scientific process kinky

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:24:13 2020 No.12128869

>>12128853
>peer-reviewed

oh okay
https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/ALPHATeamPanel1_DavidKirtley.pdf
This was reviewed and submitted to ARPA-E as part of a report about the company's role in the ALPHA program. It verified their approach and indicates their future roadmap to scaling up their concept. The jobs postings indicate that they have continued to make progress, which is also heralded by the fact that they now have enough funding to poach a senior Talent Acquisition Manager from Mitsubishi and put out postings for jobs with a total aggregate salary of over a million per year.

You should be skeptical but curious. That's all I ask for and really all that is reasonable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:27:05 2020 No.12128872 >>12128869 McCulloch is also doing his QI work under the auspices of DARPA grants.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:27:36 2020 No.12128873

>>12128869
Fair enough. I am very skeptical, but curious and (try to be) optimistic. My views are pretty much the same as this anon >>12128815
>I'm betting zero dollars that EM drives or Fusion reactors get invented this decade. I'd fucking love otherwise though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:30:01 2020 No.12128879 >>12128872 In all fairness DARPA is just an vulnerable as any other org to woo. If QI thrusters are as easy to make as this all implies we should have commercial products in months,not years. The clock is ticking...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:33:51 2020 No.12128886 >>12128879 They're easy to make as lab toys, but I'm not sure how easy it will be to scale to 100kW input.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:36:27 2020 No.12128888 >>12128849 Isn't Helion the company Bill Gates funded? I'm not injecting Helion inside me

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:39:21 2020 No.12128896 >>12126780 vote faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:39:36 2020 No.12128897 >>12128888 Actually it was given early support by noted trump booster peter thiel

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:42:13 2020 No.12128905 >>12128897 https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/19/business/heliogen-solar-energy-bill-gates/index.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:43:15 2020 No.12128909 >>12128835 ITER isn't even operating yet and you think someone else out there has made a net gain fusion reactor? comonon Anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:43:16 2020 No.12128910 >>12128905 >>12128897 confused it with heliogen lol. makes sense, bill gates seems to have an aversion to cool stuff like fusion

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:46:11 2020 No.12128923 >>12128909 Anon ITER is a dinosaur using 30 year old tech.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:49:21 2020 No.12128930 >>12128923 and by the time it's supposed reach net gain it'll be 40+ year old tech!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:51:03 2020 No.12128936 >>12128923 >>12128909 ITER is always 20 years away Also it's fucking obvious that fusion startups are going to lap ITER before it's ever turned on haha

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:53:03 2020 No.12128940 This thread has gone off the rails with schizophrenic theories akin to terry a. davis ideas. Yall please shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:54:13 2020 No.12128945 >>12128940 No

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:54:52 2020 No.12128946 >>12128940 >NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT FUSION OR PROPELLANTLESS THRUSTERS YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT CHEMICAL ROCKETS Did you miss the week long derail over plasma magnet sails?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:55:04 2020 No.12128947 >>12128940 >yall off thyself

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:56:14 2020 No.12128952 >>12128940 Leave Terry's name out of your motherfucking mouth

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:56:21 2020 No.12128954 >>12128940 Lmao you must be from NSF forums, where literally everyone wheezes at the thought of an off topic post

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:56:50 2020 No.12128956

>>12128940
QI thruster claims should be treated with intense skepticism.

Let;s move away from that and talk about more realistic things-China is now actively pursuing reusable rockets that also use hypergolics. Is this wise? The Chinese are quite adept at using these fuels, but they are looked at warily by many in aerospace for good reason-they're a carcinogenic nightmare to work with, and getting reuse right seems to involve a fairly big risk of RUDs. I think it's possible they will soon begin actively copying methalox engines, since that approach has become quite popular in the West.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:57:23 2020 No.12128957 >>12128940 You must be over 18 to post

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:58:55 2020 No.12128959 >>12128940 t. Glowie

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 17:59:27 2020 No.12128961

>>12128956
>I think it's possible they will soon begin actively copying methalox engines
Anon, the reason they use hypergolics instead of kerolox, methalox, or hydrolox is because their metallurgy can't make cryo-propellant engines that won't slag themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:02:08 2020 No.12128966 >>12128961 They will catch up anon. If not by the sweat of their brow then by dint of their spycraft.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:02:59 2020 No.12128971

>>12128946
Nice meme crambone... and the week long discussion has been interjections at most. A month or two ago plasma magnetic sails were discussed every thread (but people contributed good ideas and thoughtful discussion)
>>12128947
Go fuck yourself first
>>12128957
Fucking retard
>>12128959
lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:04:06 2020 No.12128974 >>12128971 No.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:04:32 2020 No.12128976 >>12128971 >crambone Begone, literal boomer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:04:48 2020 No.12128979 >>12128138 you need quite a bit of infrastructure for it, probably won't happen until theres at least 500000+ people on mars and several thousand on ceres and maybe the jovian moons, so not til 2070s or 2080s really

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:05:56 2020 No.12128983 >>12128966 >If not by the sweat of their brow then by dint of their spycraft. The current administration is locking their glowbugs out of visa eligibility.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:13:50 2020 No.12129009 >>12128971 retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:14:52 2020 No.12129015 >>12128971 PMS are remarkable. I hope Greason's work on them bears fruit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:16:22 2020 No.12129025 >>12129015 The next step is basically to build and fly one. Either you need a few tens of millions of dollars or to wait for Starship trans-lunar rideshare buses to be available.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:19:11 2020 No.12129031 >>12129025 >VCs throws ten of millions at a wifi-enabled bag squeezer,but won't fund a revolutionary space technology (No really look up Juicero if you don't know what i'm talking about,rich people are not that smart)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:20:03 2020 No.12129034 >>12129031 Juicero was so dumb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:23:12 2020 No.12129040 File: 76 KB, 519x600, batlaugh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129034 >mfw you can just squeeze the bag yourself >mfw you can just make juice yourself and skip the bag

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Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:30:11 2020 No.12129063

>>12127350
He does. He just knows his base doesn't. So he can exploit their ignorance. He is damned bolshevik. Wanting members of the party to be the top of social and economic power. While the merchant, professional, and working classes are subservient to the party.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:30:31 2020 No.12129064 >>12129057 ahahaha he get the nutrients

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:31:45 2020 No.12129066 >>12129057 >putting lips entirely around the bottle bro what the fuck thats not how you drink from a bottle

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:33:14 2020 No.12129070 >>12129034 >>12129031 The company founders made millions off the VCs. So many start ups are just shaking down venture capitalists for a pay day. Look at the flateva. The K cup of tortilla makers. https://youtu.be/stTzLmoStsU

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:34:36 2020 No.12129071 >first space force recruits will undergo basic training next month >how many are there? seven. https://www.airforcemag.com/space-force-to-embark-on-first-basic-training-experiment/ 7 recruits? the space force is too damn small.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:34:59 2020 No.12129073 >>12129066 Big Jim does things his own way. That's why he is so big

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:36:08 2020 No.12129078 phased array optics when bros?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:36:58 2020 No.12129081 >>12129070 but...aren't tortillas one of the easiest things to cook? I'm pretty sure even i could cook one. They take like, a minute or two,right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:41:19 2020 No.12129091 >>12129081 There's a whole industry of IoT gadgets making simple foods. It's ridiculous. Some Singaporeans made one for Roti. https://rotimatic.com/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:41:51 2020 No.12129092 >>12129040 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lutHF5HhVA I wonder if we will get a similar video soon about all this QI shit? Seems like grounds for ample mockery if it turns out to be nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:42:11 2020 No.12129093 >>12129081 Don't you just flatten dough and fry it? I made naan bread that way a year or so back just to try.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:42:40 2020 No.12129095 >>12128117 this is retarded in so many ways i can't even begin to list them all

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:43:57 2020 No.12129096 >>12129071 Never forget that Trump had to get funding for it it past Nancy Pelosi, who hates his guts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:49:23 2020 No.12129109 File: 76 KB, 249x264, hopper_cheers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] since I like you guys I'm just gonna say buy a bunch of Gamestop shares and leave it at that, sell them when they double, literally free money

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:54:12 2020 No.12129122
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>>12126752
they just retired their previous main rocket, the new one is supposed to start launching next year but it's an autistic baby SLS just like the old ones
performance is more or less similar to the F9 and they are trying to get it down to the same price range but whether they can do that with an expendable hydrolox shitstack remains to be seen

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:56:09 2020 No.12129128 >>12129122 Why are people STILL falling for the hydrogen first stage meme?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:00:18 2020 No.12129138

>>12129128
the ISP is tantalizing, and to be fair it's not like FSH rockets don't work. You would think the added bulk of the bigger tanks and hassle of the escape-prone substance would create more reluctance in its use, but I think familiarity is also at play too-these people are used to hydrogen rockets. I think it's probably also why China is so stuck on hypergolics,as well as their metallurgical issues other anons have mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:01:05 2020 No.12129142 >>12129128 >but muh Isp

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:04:33 2020 No.12129152

>>12129128
It gives your military an excuse to build lots of SRBs which translates directly to ballistic missiles... and to be fair, the Shuttle and Ariane 5 both being hydrolox first stages meant that combination held the performance crown for decades. RP-1 is king shit of first stages unless you have the metallurgy for methalox, but people kept chasing the Isp unicorn for all stages instead of just vacuum stages, to their detriment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:04:57 2020 No.12129153 >>12129138 This is it, I also think it's GTO performance is pretty good. Plus military/gov people, who are the one's paying for this stuff don't give a fuck about cost.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:10:20 2020 No.12129164

>>12129128
Some engineers are still myopically focused on ISP instead of overall Delta-V. Doesn't matter if your propellant is 30% more efficient if it produces half the thrust and your rocket has to be 50% larger and heavier to contain and insulate LH2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:13:11 2020 No.12129171 >>12129164 Hypothetical here. If the Shuttle main engines ran on RP-1 would SRBs still be needed? >F-1 engines on Shuttle will never happen Truly a great mistake

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:13:34 2020 No.12129173
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>>12126752
>>12129122
and as far as budget goes it's pretty low, usually between $1.5b and $2.5b annually, which is probably part of why they are still making autistic hydrolox stacks since that's what they've done for a long time and designing a completely new system would cost more than just improving it a bit
they do some pretty good work for the budget they have though, especially in x-ray astronomy and small probe stuff

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:17:16 2020 No.12129180

It just hit me,those balloon-rocket hybrid people are vindicated-that's exactly the system you need for a sample return from Venus. I wonder if Beck will go for that or just a system that does science as it floats around?

If we're worried about lurid Venusian megasickness killing all earth life we can do the analysis on the ISS.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:17:29 2020 No.12129181
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>>12129153
Yeah for orbit-fired stages hydrolox is ridiculously good, to the point that LH2 solid core nuclear thermal is only a minor improvement in overall performance. It's just awful at sea level. If I win the lottery I'll make 4ASS a real thing selling hydrolox kick stage rideshare buses for cargo Starship, cucking New Glenn out of half its market in the process.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE VTUBER THEMED KICKSTAGES TO DEMOCRATIZE ACCESS TO LUNAR ORBIT
>WHAT ABOUT MY FRICTION STIR WELDED 3STO
>ha ha moon bunny go hop hop

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:20:22 2020 No.12129188

>>12129171
Hard to judge, the shuttle was such a design clusterfuck that I honestly couldn't say except that if it were good it would essentially have been a NASA style Starship/Superheavy, maybe with more of a lifting body than what Starship is going for, but still basically a stubby winged plane/large finned rocket sitting vertically atop a powerful booster stage. With the limitations of older tech, I'd probably have gone with a 6x F1-b LOX/Kerosene booster that would use balloon parachutes and crash bags to return itself relatively gently to land or just the ocean for refurb and a LOX/LH2 spaceplane upper with maybe two engines similar to the RS-25.
>>12129181
Solid core nuclear isn't a "minor improvement", you're looking at 6-800s of ISP with comparable thrust (if you build your fuel element correctly) and no weight in LOX to lug around. If you push those fuel temperatures using cermets, like any intelligently designed NTPR will, you're going to be squeezing 900+s of ISP from it. That's roughly double what you can pull from a LOX/LH2 bipropellant LPRE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:21:14 2020 No.12129192 >>12129181 based pekora chad

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:22:45 2020 No.12129200 File: 496 KB, 1474x1080, lunar landings skb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine if the shuttles were never built.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:25:47 2020 No.12129214 File: 354 KB, 1580x1770, 7654467576546754.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129200 >Imagine if the chad shuttles were built*

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:26:05 2020 No.12129215
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>>12129188
>tfw nuclear lightbulbs were modeled out in the 70s and considered possible to make with existing tech back then
>2000+ ISP
>no radioactive emissions whatsoever

...fug

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:28:28 2020 No.12129223 File: 77 KB, 750x563, jim-bridenstine-1-x750.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:29:55 2020 No.12129228 File: 694 KB, 894x447, 1599513813674.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129223 BIG >>12129215 I wonder if you could do Serpent engine style arcjet afterburners on a nuclear lightbulb to get it up to 3000s Isp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:29:58 2020 No.12129229 >>12129223 imagine his smell!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:30:59 2020 No.12129230 >>12129223 AWOOOOGAA

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:31:29 2020 No.12129232 >>12129223 how does he pull off the train-loving farm boy aesthetic so well

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:34:09 2020 No.12129239

>>12129223
It's fun to go back and see the antipathy he encountered when he was initially given the job by the media, even though a lot of actual aerospace people like Froust spoke up and said "we know him and he's a good pick". The fact that he's now broadly liked is borderline miraculous.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:35:27 2020 No.12129243 File: 419 KB, 1920x1275, 1920px-Kibo_completed_view1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why is the jap flag so aesthetic in space bros

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:36:00 2020 No.12129248 >>12129215 i hope nuclear salt water rockets will prove viable, they're the closest design we have to torch rockets that aren't antimatter or fusion

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:37:05 2020 No.12129252 >>12129243 The sole imagery it has is the sun, which is a good flag to represent the ambition for going into space.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:37:06 2020 No.12129253 >>12129243 Red, white, and black is good contrast.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:38:09 2020 No.12129257
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>>12129243
Simple color palate which matches existing space tech, red on white, like the Worm logo for NASA. Human eye likes high contrast because it lets it pick out detail.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:38:24 2020 No.12129258 File: 13 KB, 289x326, REPENT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129223

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:41:43 2020 No.12129266 File: 151 KB, 335x877, 1600195757722.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is apparently canon in Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:43:23 2020 No.12129271 File: 17 KB, 1920x1080, marsflag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129243 japanese flag is a masterpiece of minimalism. Huh,maybe we should just do something like this for a martian flag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:44:38 2020 No.12129276 >>12129271 not bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:44:43 2020 No.12129277 File: 316 KB, 624x981, SSiBMoonRocket.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129266 >First known prototype of SpaceX Starship (Circa. 2015)

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:45:39 2020 No.12129278
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanocallaghan/2020/09/16/in-a-complete-fluke-a-european-spacecraft-is-about-to-fly-past-venus--and-could-look-for-signs-of-life/#71bcb7972681

bepis

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:45:55 2020 No.12129279 >>12129239 they called him a hobophobe and a climate denier and probably racist too

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:46:18 2020 No.12129281 >>12129271 I dig it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:48:27 2020 No.12129285 >>12129271 martian flag? what is this, the fuckin UN of mars? you scum, you sniveling globalist

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:49:47 2020 No.12129289 >>12129279 they missed the important bit: his size

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:50:12 2020 No.12129290 >>12129285 Based valles marineris separatist poster

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:51:42 2020 No.12129293 File: 189 KB, 800x1045, 800px-Jim_Bridenstine,_official_portrait,_113th_Congress.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bruh look at this nigga lmaooo

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:51:51 2020 No.12129294 >>12129285 >>12129290 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTpevct8Ys

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:53:28 2020 No.12129297 N2O/Prop fuel blend flame thrower, we need something that can burn out ayys if we need it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:54:09 2020 No.12129298 File: 96 KB, 2560x1347, 2560px-US_flag_51_stars.svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129271 This is a much better Martian flag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:54:25 2020 No.12129301 >>12129285 The first government on Mars will, by default, be a one-world government

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:54:52 2020 No.12129303 >>12129181 Rocketlab is on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:55:00 2020 No.12129304 pentaborane/ozone slush rockets WHEN

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:55:33 2020 No.12129305 >>12129290 >Terraforms planet >Floods Valles Marineris and turn into a shallow reef ocean Pssh... nothin personnel valleyfag >T. Olympian

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:56:20 2020 No.12129308 >>12129304 when the chemists stop crying and get back to work

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:56:55 2020 No.12129309 File: 7 KB, 1200x800, mflagedit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129271 Oh boy are we posting Mars flags again? Let me get my folder.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:57:18 2020 No.12129310

>>12129298
The japanese flag and the american flag are so fucking perfect, for different reasons. One is a great example of minimalism, the other is a great example of how to combine a lot of symbolism into a complicated design (respectively). Not spaceflight related but i had to share my thoughts

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:57:49 2020 No.12129311 File: 15 KB, 400x300, sealab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129305 >If you're lookin' for me, you better check under the sea

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:57:57 2020 No.12129312 File: 9 KB, 1200x800, martian flag attempt4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129309

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:58:34 2020 No.12129314 >>12129309 please don't

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:58:58 2020 No.12129317 File: 8 KB, 1200x800, martian flag attempt2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129312

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:00:28 2020 No.12129318 File: 135 KB, 3000x2000, mars flag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129309

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:00:46 2020 No.12129320
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https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/satellites/china-to-launch-space-mining-bot
>NOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST MINE THESE ASTEROIDS, THERE MIGHT BE LIFE THERE
>THESE RESOURCES BELONG TO EVERYONE
>WE NEED A PUBLIC DEBATE ABOUT THE ETHICS OF MINING IN SPACE

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:02:49 2020 No.12129323 polymeric nitrogen rockets when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:02:58 2020 No.12129324 >>12127669 used to be /kspg/ in /vg/ i miss it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:03:18 2020 No.12129326 >>12129310 American-Jap space alliance when?

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:04:05 2020 No.12129329 >>12129326 Literally right now. Trump and Abe signed some space cooperation agreements.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:05:18 2020 No.12129331

>>12129320
Yes.
Why shouldn't we use whatever tactics necessary against China when we know they'll do nothing good with whatever they get?
>>12129326
Has anyone made an Imperial Japanese flag with the rays being blue instead of red? I think that would be pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:05:29 2020 No.12129332 >>12129329 what the, source?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:06:49 2020 No.12129339 >>12129257 How was the worm ever considered ugly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:07:00 2020 No.12129341 >>12129332 https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3099071/japanese-pm-shinzo-abe-meets-us-space-force-chief-affirm-closer

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:08:39 2020 No.12129343 >>12129341 It's so hard not to love the Japs, not even a weeb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:08:48 2020 No.12129344 >>12129326 They signed the artemis accords and they are going with us to the moon. Not even joking we are about to see electric toyotas on the moon

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:10:37 2020 No.12129346 File: 622 KB, 768x768, 1584414416489.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the guy who designed this should make the martial flag

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:11:04 2020 No.12129348 >>12129346 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:11:39 2020 No.12129349 >>12129343 Nips and Americans liking each other goes back to at least the 1870s. Weebs and ameriboos are just a modern facet of that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:11:53 2020 No.12129351 >>12129346 Graphic Design Is My Passion

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:13:37 2020 No.12129353 solid fuel mars launches when?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:13:37 2020 No.12129354
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>>12129331
>NOOO, YOU CHINESE CAN'T JUST USE OUR ASTEROIDS TO BUILD A VON NEUMANN SWARM
>YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR US EVEN IF IT TAKES US ANOTHER 200 YEARS TO GET OUR SHIT TOGETHER
keep seething, history is written by the winners

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:14:38 2020 No.12129355 solid IPBMs when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:18:21 2020 No.12129364 INFLATABLE LOW ORBIT BROTHELS WHEN

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:21:30 2020 No.12129372 File: 1.41 MB, 1024x1024, Apollo_17-insignia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129346

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:42:48 2020 No.12129425 >>12129349 there was a, uh.....lul in that but we aight now

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:45:26 2020 No.12129429 >>12129278 >close flyby of Venus, with the possibility of confirming phosphine I hope they release the data soon after they get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:46:34 2020 No.12129434 >>12129425 >Haha lol we like nuked you >yea... >Yeah, TWICE we nuked you LMAO >yea... >but we cool now >yea... based relationship

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:49:46 2020 No.12129446 File: 152 KB, 1920x1280, 1920px.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129331

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:50:06 2020 No.12129448 File: 1.07 MB, 2000x1655, 1555869491515.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it's another episode of trying to figure out which fucking parts are producing phantom forces and making upper stages spin out of control

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:52:57 2020 No.12129457 File: 1.40 MB, 713x1086, 1597436180479.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12128643 Shaved down shuttle programs that can only deliver cargo to LEO for exorbitant prices for the airforce are the future.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:08:11 2020 No.12129490

>>12129429
The one thing I want FTL comms for is live streaming of cool probe data via quantum bullfuckery instead of dealing with gay loser long range radio waves. Imagine how much more data you could gather with a 10Gbps network cable with zero latency hanging off the back of the probe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:08:23 2020 No.12129491 LOW POLAR ORBIT INFLATABLE SPACE BROTHELS

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:09:23 2020 No.12129492 orbital dolphin brothels when

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:10:01 2020 No.12129494 >>12129492 When Lockheed finally gets to make that shuttle. Then the "dolphin brothel" will be a LEO transfer station.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:12:58 2020 No.12129507 Flooding mars and introducing dolphins when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:13:56 2020 No.12129509 File: 49 KB, 191x174, good.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Expendable orbital inflatable brothels when

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:15:16 2020 No.12129517

>>12129492
>sophisticated social structures
>strong signs of self-awareness
>incredibly complex communication, including regional accents

I don't think they're quite at the level of it being okay to fuck them, but it's a lot closer than it is for any other animal. Imagine if some mad scientist tweaks them to be as sapient as humans are-god shit would get weird fast. imagine a future election hinging on dolphin rights.

That is the kind of shit i want in the future, not just smartphones and self-loathing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:15:50 2020 No.12129523 >>12129517 >he doesn't know about dolphin pussy bro....

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:15:54 2020 No.12129524 >>12129509 30 years, probably. Not even joking, when the space tourism industry gets going, space hookers will pop up to attend the demand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:28:14 2020 No.12129557 >>12129346 I hope he returns to design the JWST flag

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:30:24 2020 No.12129566 >>12129446 that looks cool

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:39:26 2020 No.12129581

>>12128594
100% true for Earth, also Mars and Mercury and Moon. Space elevators will be very useful on rotating asteroids (use asteroid angular momentum to fling large chunks of refined material onto wildly different solar orbits) all the way up to Ceres, as well as on most Kuiper belt objects and even many of the large and small moons of Gas Giants (you'd use the type of elevator that hangs like a plum bob out of that moon's hill sphere and gets held up by the gravity of the planet yanking on a counterweight). The point is that space elevators are an easy and cheap method of 'launch' given low enough gravity and sufficient rotational velocity (or a sufficiently small Hill sphere).

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:46:25 2020 No.12129593

>>12129490
This. Spread of information is incredibly important and even having the only FTL thing in existence be quantum-entanglement communications systems would be extraordinary. I also don't want to have to wait almost a day for an email to reach the Neptune colony from my Pluto habitat.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:47:27 2020 No.12129594

>>12128610
>I've always wondered where the fuel will come from, shipping it directly from earth sounds expensive even with Starship
Shipping it from Earth with Starship would be about as expensive as shipping it from the Moon with Starship, because on the Moon the propellant itself is expensive to produce, and on Earth the propellant is super cheap. This means that by focusing on bringing Earth-based Starship launch costs down to <$10 million per 100,000 kg, you can actually undercut even the most optimistic Lunar propellant manufacturing efforts.

Note that this is true for any low Earth orbit. At some point however the values flip and it becomes cheaper to use Lunar propellant. Where that exact flipping point will be is anyone's guess, but I guarantee you that a kilo of any propellant launched into Earth orbit from Earth via Starship will always be cheaper than a kilo of any propellant shipped to LEO from the Moon (or anywhere else more distant, in fact).

Rockets being pricey because they burn lots of propellant is a TOTAL MEME. Rockets are just as expensive as jet airliners, in fact jet airliners are about as expensive as the most expensive currently operational rocket, the Delta IV Heavy. The reason we don't notice that fact is because airliners are fully and rapidly reusable, whereas rockets at this point are partially reusable with months of time spent between launches. Starship is SpaceX's new solution to the problem of reusable launch hardware, based off of the lessons they learned pioneering the Falcon 9 booster recovery program. It will succeed eventually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:52:00 2020 No.12129608 >>12128654 Never ever, because that's retarded

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:54:31 2020 No.12129611

>>12128697
Uranium is fucking everywhere. The average chunk of basalt in the solar system has enough uranium in it to get 50x return on energy investment if you're using a liquid fuel breeder reactor design. For reference that's a better energy return than what we currently get mining up anthracite coal and burning it in furnaces. That's not even considering actual uranium ore, which gets you ~2000x energy return on investment with the same reactor tech.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:07:05 2020 No.12129628

>>12128835
>a proper fusion rocket makes a chemical one look like a toy,given the energy density of its fuel.
To be fair anon, a proper fusion rocket also comes with a couple snags, such as the fact that it either has very low thrust compared to a chemical rocket OR has very low thrust to weight ratio once you include the mass of the cooling systems and radiators required to prevent the neutron and gamma ray flux given off by fusing several grams of fuel per second from instantly slagging any solid piece of matter within a 100 meter radius of the reaction.
To put it simply, even if we had a one-ton, Q>50, 500,000 Isp fusion rocket engine tomorrow, we'd still need chemical engines in order to achieve orbit around Earth, simply because that fusion candle is gonna only beat Ion drive thrust to weight ratios by an order of magnitude or two. Maybe we could get fancy by using an inert propellant to trade Isp for thrust and work out some 50% mass fraction SSTO vehicles that would have enough fusion fuel left in the tank to scoot around the solar system from there, but that's even further beyond actual gen-1 fusion propulsion tech.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:11:32 2020 No.12129641

>>12128909
ITER doesn't even use YBCO superconductors, anon. If it weren't a scam they'd scrap all their magnet tech and restart using YBCO tape, designing the world largest and strongest magnets ever and achieving Q>1000 on the first fusion plasma experiment.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:16:29 2020 No.12129652

>>12129153
You could get great GTO performance using fucking hypergolics, if you applied the advancements in technology that allow the mass fractions necessary to make hydrogen viable to literally anything more dense you'd end up with about the same performance, and sometimes even better (for example, anything more complex than an ultra-utilitarian expendable upper stage)

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:18:59 2020 No.12129659

>>12129171
If the Shuttle's SRBs were kerolox boosters instead they'd probably only need to use one F-1 each, because most of the mass the SRBs were pushing was actually themselves; the entire ET and Orbiter and payload combined only massed about 900 tons maximum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:19:49 2020 No.12129661 Anyone got that Falcon Heavy and Delta IV infographic with Jeff who? Editing a dumb video about comparing different rocket fuels, it would illustrate hydromeme perfectly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:20:07 2020 No.12129662 >>12129346 I dont get it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:21:50 2020 No.12129666 >>12129517 >I don't think they're quite at the level of it being okay to fuck them It’s okay to fuck any animal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:26:57 2020 No.12129678 >>12129517 How long will it take til every animal group is uplifted? What would be worst/best options? Would you one of them? If so, which? >>12129666 Accurate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:27:12 2020 No.12129679 >24 starlink satellites have re-entered the atmosphere >many within the past few days it's raining satellites yo

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:28:44 2020 No.12129680

>>12129188
>Solid core nuclear isn't a "minor improvement", you're looking at 6-800s of ISP with comparable thrust (if you build your fuel element correctly) and no weight in LOX to lug around. If you push those fuel temperatures using cermets, like any intelligently designed NTPR will, you're going to be squeezing 900+s of ISP from it.
Here we see an anon failing to take mass fraction into account.
You have ignored the mass of oxygen in your figuring, but to compare apples to apples you would in fact replace the oxygen mass with more hydrogen. Your propellant tank is now far larger and has a far heavier dry mass, yet hold the same total propellant mass; it's only bigger because you're replaced a liquid more dense than water with the same mass of a much colder liquid that has a density of 70 grams per liter. Your burnout mass will be greater, in fact significantly greater, as will your total mass, meaning TWR is reduced during the entire burn. Yes, the Isp is about doubled compared to a hydrolox engine. However, with the mass fraction as much as half as good, that means your delta V has only increased to about 140% of the original hydrolox stage, which let me remind you was much smaller physically and didn't have a highly expensive nuclear thermal engine hanging off its ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:30:04 2020 No.12129683 >>12129666 very appropriate trips. consorting with beasts is 100% Satanic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:30:13 2020 No.12129684 >>12129214 >that vertical stabilizer on the booster craft just getting its shit fucked up by the orbiter's exhaust

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:31:55 2020 No.12129689 wtf vice is doing a documentary about boca chica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqAcMP3a3bg

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:34:07 2020 No.12129695 >>12129304 Is the liquid portion of the slush made of F2O2?

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:34:55 2020 No.12129697

>>12129680
As long as the NTPR can be refired the fact that it costs more isn't very relevant, that will in-and-of itself be quite a challenge though I'll admit. It will require even more maturation in nuclear cermet design and probably some novel metallurgy to resist hydrogen embrittlement.
In the end though, while I personally like NTPRs, they really are a transition technology between bipropellant LPREs and something like closed cycle gas core NTPRs, NPPRs, MPDs and eventually fusion candle or fusion torch drives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:35:57 2020 No.12129699 >>12129697 I'm going to lol if Zap Energy gets Q>1 and we skip straight to fusion drives.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:41:00 2020 No.12129709

>>12129699
The SFS Z-pinch system is really good for fusion rockets given its linear nature. I;d like to see someone crunch the numbers on a thrust-optimized hydrogen fueled version of it-I know the hyperautistic efficiency version for that interstellar probe can generate a very weak acceleration for years and get 50 tons up to and down from .10 c. We don't need THAT shit right now-ever .01 c is great for doing shit in the solar system.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:41:49 2020 No.12129718

>>12129699
Fingers crossed, frankly I think it would be in the interest of any and all governments with the money to just throw some major economic weight behind all plausible fusion projects. Whoever gets it working at the industrial level first is going to have an enormous advantage moving forward into the future, and whoever can get it into space first will legitimately not have much in the way of rivalry from any other power on Earth.
Shit, if I were NASA/Airforce/DOD/whatever I'd even throw a little bit behind EMdrive on the off chance that it actually works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:43:06 2020 No.12129724 >>12129718 >Shit, if I were NASA/Airforce/DOD/whatever I'd even throw a little bit behind EMdrive on the off chance that it actually works. DARPA has been doing so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:43:07 2020 No.12129726 File: 122 KB, 1107x1116, 3434q2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got this in my recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXsXyZB7T5I 3 cocks touching when bros

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:49:08 2020 No.12129745 >>12129724 God I fucking wish I was DARPA. "Hey that thing looks pretty cool, let's give them ten million dollars and put a gun on it."

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:49:08 2020 No.12129746 >>12129524 Gonna need a few handholds/footholds though, you can't fug in space without something to push against.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:49:10 2020 No.12129747 >>12129689 Normies piling on this shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:49:58 2020 No.12129751 >>12129726 What an overly complicated piece of shit I like that this guy's analysis boils down to "what if we divided up the volumes like Dragon"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:50:59 2020 No.12129754 >>12129689 Who cares what these losers have to say about anything? Can't wait for them to go under like Buzzfeed.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:56:39 2020 No.12129770

>>12129718
The thing is,a fusion reactor is mass producible. Until you turn it on,it's just metal parts. If one of the more exotic forms of fusion like Zap or Helion win out, it doesn't even need superconducting magnets and all their resulting complexities and costs. The fuel is everywhere, you don't have to dig for it, it's just in water. Once you have it and it's economical, the oceans of the world instantly turn into carbon-free oilfields. You can basically just get the fossil fuel companies on board, build up some factories to make the components,and then swap out the source of energy at existing fossil fuel power plants with fusion. The meme goal of decarbonizing the whole world by 2050 goes from "literally requiring a global dictatorship" to "challenging but overall economically beneficial to all". Chevron just sunk millions into Zap because they've stopped being idiots and started to realize that decarbonizing can be a process that creates economic growth instead of eroding it. We don't have to live in a cucked future of energy austerity, trying to swap over to battery powered cities at the mercy of a freak run of cloudy windless days. We can pump out clean, reliable baseload power by the terawatt and start thinking boldly-fusion powered ocean deacidification ships that also provide shipping. Direct air carbon capture that rips the co2 up with plasma and uses the carbon soot to make diamond tech.

Fuck the doomers-we make our own future.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:57:50 2020 No.12129772 >>12129697 >As long as the NTPR can be refired the fact that it costs more isn't very relevant NTR reactor fuel elements only last so long before they suffer unacceptable performance loss due to being unable to sustain high levels of criticality.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:59:57 2020 No.12129779

>>12129770
>a fusion reactor is mass producible
Not at the scale of ITER, though, which is why I've had zero faith in the main stream fusion development program. Even if they came through and ITER could produce power for the grid, we can't build 100,000 ITER scale reactors around the world, that's fucking impossible economically and it'd take hundreds of years at least anyway.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:01:18 2020 No.12129786

>>12129770
And then with terawatt scale fusion power plants on various moons or asteroids, you can have an interplanetary highway system with beamed laser thermal, using methane for fuel so you don't need to fucking seed it with metal like LH2. Without the politics of rogue space captains having nukes at their disposal, the space economy becomes viable.

>>12129779
lmao fuck ITER

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:02:53 2020 No.12129792 >>12129779 even the tokamak has SPARC and tokamak energy, they're doing great work, they are the "backup" if the more exotic companies fail.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:03:14 2020 No.12129793 Hydrolox Starship with side-mounted SRBs when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:03:26 2020 No.12129794 >>12129786 >lmao fuck ITER Agreed, the whole project needs to be updated to use modern tech or scrapped completely. Don't even bother mothballing the place. Fuck ITER.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:03:50 2020 No.12129795 >>12129793 literally SLS

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:05:28 2020 No.12129797 >>12129517 >>12129666 The only animal pussy worth fucking is furry girl pussy Specifically Krystal. Specifically the ones drawn by Fluff-Kevlar. Specifically the most recent one with the lingerie.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:06:00 2020 No.12129798 >>12129786 Very yes. I need to get more info about PROCSIMA. That is some cool shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:06:01 2020 No.12129799 >>12129795 >tfw shuttle is even worse than >>12129793 because shuttle also did the side mounted orbiter bullshit with no significant internal propellant tanks other than a couple hundred m/s of OMS delta V

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:12:15 2020 No.12129816
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>>12129798
I'm not even talking about PROCSIMA sails, just using beamed laser to hit a focusing mirror, heat propellant, and fart it out the back of the rocket. It's better than solid NTPR in every way if you control both the beam and the rocket.
>four times the Isp for a given fuel
>no fatass reactor/shielding on board
>minimal radiators needed
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist.php#id--Beamed_Power--Laser_Thermal

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:16:58 2020 No.12129833 >>12129816 ToughSF and this guy are great-true oldschool autists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:34:49 2020 No.12129874 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmqE2cRFbPU Refute this >protip you can't

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:36:38 2020 No.12129879

>>12129816
Oh, also, if photon-loop emdrives work at megawatt scale, you could use beamed laser for fucking featherweight propellantless spacecraft where the entire engine system is a mirror, a nozzle/cavity, and some small radiators.
>0.1N/kWe
>Atomic Rockets example ship has 60MWe laser input
>6kN, forever, so long as you're in beam range
Plasma magnet sail BTFO even at current calculated efficiencies. Bring it up to 1N/kW and you have 60kN as long as the beam shines, which is just nutty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:37:46 2020 No.12129882 File: 15 KB, 350x222, Martian_Congressional_Republic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mars has a flag, dummies

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:40:03 2020 No.12129891 >>12129882 Shit flag. The one described in Stranger in a Strange Land is better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:40:13 2020 No.12129894 >>12129882 A terrible flag

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:40:18 2020 No.12129895

>>12129879
If McCulloch turns out to be right I think we will be witness to the greatest pirouette in physics history. It would render most modern textbook obsolete in one fell stroke. The amount of seethe would e legendary.

You have to be wary of things like this precisely because of how seductively fun they are to imagine. Deep down, we all want ivory tower types to have to eat a shit sandwich.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:40:40 2020 No.12129896 >>12129874 If you stretch a slinky sideways it will still yank back to normal size starting from the point you let go at because that's the speed of wave propagation through a slinky Therefore the entire video is refuted

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:41:22 2020 No.12129899 >>12129882 awful flag

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:42:29 2020 No.12129901 EXPENDABLE FUSION POWERED PHOTON LOOP PROBES LAUNCHED BY OMEGA SPONSORED BY GAMESTOP

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:43:02 2020 No.12129902 >>12129895 I've been following meme Mike for years, but I only started talking about him on /sfg/ once he started getting positive experimental results done by third parties. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:47:21 2020 No.12129913

>>12129902
To be fair, the horizon mechanic for inertia is pretty elegant. That's exactly the kind of weird thinking we need in physics. Even if he's wrong it's probably useful to figure out exactly why-that can be just as illuminating as proving something accurate. We've gotten so much better at controlling for tiny confounding factors in tiny thrust measurements due to all this emdrive autism

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:48:32 2020 No.12129919 >>12129879 How about if we replace the 60 MWe laser with a stellaser

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:49:58 2020 No.12129922 >>12129901 TO LEO

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:51:32 2020 No.12129927 >>12128414 no, it's a metallic asteroid

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:53:47 2020 No.12129939

>>12129919
You still need some physical material inside the photon loop to absorb all that heat, which means "transparent things that don't melt or lose transparency easily" is the scaling problem. We might need to make megawatt scale loops out of synthetic diamond. If you have a stellaser you can just skip the drive entirely and make a super tough photon sail.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:56:05 2020 No.12129942 >>12129939 Does it need to convert energy to heat? What if we had a metamaterial that was perfectly transparent to the stellaser wavelength?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:57:22 2020 No.12129948 >>12129942 Are there such metamaterials? I'm way behind on those.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:58:04 2020 No.12129950 >>12129942 >Does it need to convert energy to heat? No, but there's just a lot of inherent heat in a fucking megawatt laser beam impacting a solid object. It would pop you like a meat balloon if it hit you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:58:17 2020 No.12129951 File: 38 KB, 720x527, 20200821_165636.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I still say this is the best Mars flag

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:03:30 2020 No.12129965 File: 135 KB, 1920x1080, missileflag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129951

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:12:40 2020 No.12129987 >>12129950 If it were passing through a perfectly transparent metamaterial it would deposit exactly zero heat energy, as if it were travelling through empty space

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:17:15 2020 No.12129999

>>12129965
>>12129951
Not a flag, but the Mars constitution's 1st amendment should be the inalienable right to bear arms, SPECIFICALLY including all present and future weapons technology. If you can afford 100 kg of antimatter or a solar mass black-hole bomb, you can buy them. If any future advancements in physics allow for the creation of even more destructive weapons, you have a right to own them, too. No limits on the number of weapons, the total yield of a personal arsenal, and no right for the government to confiscate or invasively track any person's weapons. Oh, and biological and super-AI weapons are included, too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:22:21 2020 No.12130010 >>12129662 It’s a multi-million dollar mission and the mission patch (which, for most missions, usually looks cool) looks like a piece of shit here whipped up in microsoft paint

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:24:27 2020 No.12130015 >>12129987 Huh. Well that'd be fucking cool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:26:02 2020 No.12130018 >>12130010 Good, thought I was going insane

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:37:46 2020 No.12130042 >>12130015 >perfectly transparent metamaterial photon loops with zero reflective or refractive attenuation producing propellantless thrust forever once charged with a photon pulse WHEN

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:38:10 2020 No.12130044 Starlink launch tomorrow. Thread will be up.

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:39:58 2020 No.12130050

>>12130010
It looks like the kind of photobash one would use to arrange the layout of the actual graphic design work
Like they sent in that as a "Hey does this look like it'll be an acceptable drawing later" example and the client went "Cool it's done already that was fast, we already printed 50,000 copies"

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:40:27 2020 No.12130053 >>12130044 Thank you, these are becoming so common i’ve stopped following them recently. I really need to give them a watch and remind myself that we could still be in the shitty “one NASA launch every two months” timeline

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:48:22 2020 No.12130071 https://youtu.be/wAb_JTcNvzc what are they doing over there

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:55:13 2020 No.12130086 >>12130053 if it's happening at night and you live on the Florida or Carolina coast it's worth watching it go up

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 00:57:59 2020 No.12130090 >>12129882 the blue crescent ruins this flag i get the symbolism of it but it's so thin it looks out of place with the other big simple shapes, and the color is out of place

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:02:25 2020 No.12130101 >>12130053 >Every two months If we’re lucky it was two months. Plus the launch coverage was so underwhelming. I remember watching a satellite launch in 2011 and being astonished that they could make a rocket launch seem boring

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:09:13 2020 No.12130117 Is tomorrow the day SN7.1 pops?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:14:38 2020 No.12130125 >>12130117 Supposedly

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:16:20 2020 No.12130131 how does elon have a part count so high on his rockets without crashing the fps

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:25:01 2020 No.12130148 >>12130117 There's supposed to be a road closure tomorrow night, so hopefully. They also got a big tank delivered to the tank farm today, as I recall.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:27:08 2020 No.12130151 >>12130131 the simulation isn't running on Unity

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:30:40 2020 No.12130162 >>12130131 He has the new 3080

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:32:49 2020 No.12130170 someone less lazy than me making full configs for the entire near future series mods to integrate them into RO/RP-1 when?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:43:46 2020 No.12130194 https://twitter.com/LCS_Big_Mike/status/1306037664152461312 This man is so insightful

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 01:53:00 2020 No.12130223 >>12130194 he's completely wrong about everything, please don't post twitter bait

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:00:15 2020 No.12130234 >>12128909 >>12128923 Almost like SLS. Actually, scratch the almost.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:11:55 2020 No.12130263 File: 41 KB, 1280x768, Laconia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129882 >seethes behind you with visions of conquest

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:14:12 2020 No.12130265 >>12129746 I imagine there won't be many orgies in space, since nobody wants to get hit by random floating cumshots.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:23:28 2020 No.12130280 >>12130263 I bet anything Laconia is going to get btfo when the Big Space Baddies skullfuck the precursor blue goo tech until it stops working Leviathan Falls will involve the Ring Station being destroyed I guarantee it

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:42:25 2020 No.12130309 File: 250 KB, 380x761, Tupac_Amaru_II,_oleo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is it so hard to go to the moon?

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:43:30 2020 No.12130313

>>12129999
When push comes to shove, if the galactic peace force want to denoate your system's star do you really think you're going to stop them with your weaponized Von Neumann drones?
No ordinary citizen needs anything more than an orbital kinetic kill weapon. That's what the police are for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:44:03 2020 No.12130315 >>12130309 it's big also, Earth is big

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:48:28 2020 No.12130321 >>12128481 Im gonna... Im gonnna BOOOOOOOM

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:50:07 2020 No.12130325 >>12128488 Refurbished.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 02:57:37 2020 No.12130332 >>12130309 It's not, it's just smallbrained third worlders only want to launch satellites for their TV networks or whatever stupid shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:08:09 2020 No.12130345 >>12130309 bacuse spaic is hurrd

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:11:53 2020 No.12130350 >>12130309 space is big

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:19:33 2020 No.12130357 >>12130309 rockets explode when they hit the dome

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 03:25:26 2020 No.12130365 >>12130364 >>12130364 >>12130364 >>12130364 new

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 06:11:44 2020 No.12130659 File: 514 KB, 1044x1568, 1579596473828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129326 Now

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 06:12:40 2020 No.12130660 >>12130659 合体!

>>	nelsy Thu Sep 17 07:31:52 2020 No.12130774 >>12126747 i hate math i cant go to nasa cos i all math

>>	nelsy Thu Sep 17 07:34:56 2020 No.12130781 >>12129899 EXACTLY MY FLAG IS THE BEST ONE? NO AND YES COS I WAS BORN AND LIVE THERE OK FINE IM GOOD AT MATH BUT JUST COS IM GOOD AT DOESNT MEAN I LIKE IT WTF IS WRONG w/ the tesla dude now

>>	nelsy Thu Sep 17 07:36:06 2020 No.12130785 File: 671 KB, 1440x900, Screen Shot 2020-09-16 at 8.59.11 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12130659 nothing exactly smart kids have fun w/ smart kids now they are adult fuck off you wanna see the new hunted houses?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 08:00:05 2020 No.12130837 File: 576 KB, 850x1133, 1565603457991.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12129999 checked >>12130265 Are you kidding? That's going to instantly be a new porn genre.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 08:06:13 2020 No.12130853 >>12129999 wouldn't this just make the rich really fucking powerful?

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