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/sfg/ Space Flight Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:26:38 2020 No.12118261 [Reply] [Original]

the launch table is going up
old >>12113805

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:28:19 2020 No.12118266 File: 113 KB, 500x667, hopwhen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:29:22 2020 No.12118268 File: 226 KB, 2000x1335, 1600071843443.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tired of looking at bad space shuttle want to go home and look at good space shuttle

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:32:27 2020 No.12118274 File: 15 KB, 800x600, stsbnar6.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] they were even calling for two SSME variants, one SL and one Vac does this remind you of anything?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:34:41 2020 No.12118276 >>12118266 next month at the earliest, little bunny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:40:56 2020 No.12118281 First for Expendable crew SSTOs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:41:40 2020 No.12118284 >>12118281 Hydrolox i hope

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:43:01 2020 No.12118287 I can't wait for SLS, bros!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:43:42 2020 No.12118288 >>12118281 Expendable crew or expendable SSTOs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:44:52 2020 No.12118291 >>12118284 subcooled propalox >>12118288 both

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:45:43 2020 No.12118293 >>12118281 Refurbishable crew SSTO would have better chance of getting funding

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:46:00 2020 No.12118295 First for microbes shooting out my venus penis . and dont bother, i gotchu covered >based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:49:01 2020 No.12118301 >>12118288 SSTO refurbishable, Crew expandable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:50:29 2020 No.12118302 >>12118284 PROPULSIVELY LANDED UDMH + BROMINE PENTAFLOURIDE FIRST STAGES

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:53:29 2020 No.12118309 >>12118287 Me too! I love SLS!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:54:39 2020 No.12118314 File: 198 KB, 780x456, sls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Not reusable What's the fucking point then? Who gives a shit unironically?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:57:26 2020 No.12118320 >>12118314 Reusable rockets are a pointless meme. Reliability is far more important for a human-rated vehicle, and that's exactly what SLS is for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:58:32 2020 No.12118325 >>12118314 a certain senator from Alabama and his constituents whose jobs depend on it continuing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:58:39 2020 No.12118326 >>12118301 >>12118281 >>12118288

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Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:02:44 2020 No.12118332
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>>12118314
I'm going to find whoever turned down F-1Bs for SLS and kick them in the dick so hard they reach solar escape velocity. It was RIGHT THERE. All they had to do was NOT USE HYDROLOX FOR A FIRST STAGE.
>F-1Bs and either Shuttle SRBs or MORE FUCKING F-1Bs for the first stage
>F-1Bs for a second stage
>RS-25 vacuum variant for a huge, throbbing, muscular third stage that can bench press the ISS all the way to the moon
>scaled down orangetankbad can now be painted white and protected from so much vertical stress at liftoff
Bam! There's your Saturn V clone with Shuttle parts commonality!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:04:15 2020 No.12118334 >>12118325 Democratic senators also depend on it, stop smearing just one side. They all suck orange rocket tit equally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:04:23 2020 No.12118337 File: 996 KB, 1920x768, Rong March.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reusable rockets, expendable villages.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:04:47 2020 No.12118338 >>12118334 I never said anything about one side or another, anon

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:04:58 2020 No.12118339
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SpaceX and Tesla have been extremely successful solving real, practical problems over the last 10 years. Why has the Boring Company been such a failure by comparison?

No matter how energy efficient electric cars can get, they are a room temperature IQ solution for mass transit. Even if you had cars screeching to a halt every second literally throwing people out the windows, a train built 100 years ago will still have better passenger capacity and onboarding times.

Surely Musk knows pic related is the dumbest shit ever. What’s his game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:06:11 2020 No.12118343 >>12118337 What does Long March even do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:06:20 2020 No.12118344 >>12118339 the Boring Company just brokered an extremely cheap tunnel deal with the government of Las Vegas, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:06:22 2020 No.12118345 >>12118337 Your picture is long march 5, its stages fall into the ocean. Reusable rocket will Come to China next year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:07:11 2020 No.12118346 >>12118345 >its stages fall into the ocean

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:07:25 2020 No.12118347 >>12118339 public transit fucking sucks because it's filled with the type of people who use public transit, europoors don't understand because they've had limited exposure to feather Indians and darkies

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:07:29 2020 No.12118348 >>12118339 Boring Company is very practical, growing population in cities require more ease of transit and boring will lead that expansion. It will be bigger than Telsa in ~7 years

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:08:21 2020 No.12118352 >>12118338 You did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:08:31 2020 No.12118353 >>12118339 All of Elon's companies are focused on Mars. The Boring Company is basically Elon trolling investors into subsidizing his ability to dig underground Mars bases.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:08:49 2020 No.12118354 >>12118352 said certain senator has swapped sides in his career he is effectively apolitical, he cares only about orange rocket

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:10:24 2020 No.12118356 >>12118354 Orange rocket will fly to orbit before starship, vulcan and New glenn. Orange rocket is good, ready, tested, made to be human rated from the begining.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:10:32 2020 No.12118357 >>12118354 NASA made SLS impossible for Congress to cancel to protect themselves, and now it has doomed them. It's the Faustian Bargain of spaceflight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:11:31 2020 No.12118360 >>12118356 t. Charles Bolden, 2014

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:13:19 2020 No.12118362 >>12118357 it's sad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:15:56 2020 No.12118365 >>12118261 ABSOLUTE THICC

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:20:27 2020 No.12118372 File: 249 KB, 928x1359, 1zxha2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone else think this Wernher von Braun guy is based?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:21:52 2020 No.12118374 >>12118372 >ah, you see ze missile... hehe (fondly remembers bombing london) I mean ze rocket, it...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:22:45 2020 No.12118379 File: 90 KB, 769x769, Eh0b1J9XYAAJdbG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118360

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:23:18 2020 No.12118381 File: 358 KB, 940x1976, SLS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Original design, do not steal!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:24:28 2020 No.12118382 >>12118372 >The rocket worked perfectly except for landing on the wrong planet. Why did he want to bomb ayyyliens?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:26:02 2020 No.12118385 >>12118382 >why would an SS officer want to bomb (((lizard people)))

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:28:28 2020 No.12118390 >>12118379 it's in pieces!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:30:08 2020 No.12118392 >>12118339 Tesla wasn't success until Model 3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:30:17 2020 No.12118393 Are the boosters essential to SLS or can the main rocket fly on it's own for lighter payloads?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:30:41 2020 No.12118395 >>12118393 the rocket cannot get off the ground without the boosters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:33:21 2020 No.12118401 >>12118395 Every single thing I learn about SLS makes me hate it more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:33:34 2020 No.12118402 >>12118393 The boosters are the main propulsion elements, always were.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:39:36 2020 No.12118414 >>12118261 question when is musk gonna strap a nose cone and the fins on the soda cans and do the suicide belly flop test(that will end in failure)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:40:15 2020 No.12118416 >>12118414 next month he says he'll have one with the fins on ready to show off by next week

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:44:23 2020 No.12118423
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>too lazy to check launch windows before launching probe
>no windows for venus or mars open before hydrolox stage evaporates
>look around for other targets and find a transfer to 163693 atira open
lets fuckin roll boys

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:45:14 2020 No.12118426 >>12118401 SLS is simply solid engineering, Starship is a tin box held together with prayers. In the long run SLS will pay for itself tenfold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:47:47 2020 No.12118433 >>12118346 >>its stages fall into the ocean of chinamen >>12118423 This is some top tier mission planning, well done anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:49:28 2020 No.12118436 >>12118426 >In the long run SLS will pay for itself tenfold. It's literally designed to cost money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:51:42 2020 No.12118442 >>12118433 shit I forgot to set the avionics to deep space instead of near earth and now I can't control it to do course corrections lmao oh well it's got plenty of instruments for a new solar observatory now

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:52:31 2020 No.12118444 >>12118426 >Starship is a tin box held together with prayers. Now I'm imagining SpaceX mission control singing "Livin on a Prayer" before the first orbital attempt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:56:15 2020 No.12118450 >>12118442 >just fucking yeet probes blindly into the abyss as god intended

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:58:44 2020 No.12118457 >>12118450 Reminds me of that Star Trek Voyager episode where Earth's first warp capable probe wandered halfway across the galaxy before it accidentally destroyed an entire planet's civilization.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:01:14 2020 No.12118465 >>12118320 Are you pregnant? Because you're glowing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:04:21 2020 No.12118469 >>12118339 They have orbital refueling, why not battery tankers the size of trucks than can recharge ev's while on the road? It would have to be automated, but I see that as a viable solution if inflowing current is more than current expended.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:04:46 2020 No.12118470 Hey guys, my wife and I have decided to name our son SLS! Just that you might enjoy as fellow spaceflight fans haha

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:06:26 2020 No.12118474 >>12118372 Unfairly smeared because of Jewish media. The man was a visionary, talking about space stations and Mars journeys in the 40's. He fought for nuclear thermal propulsion, as well as the Orion drive, but nobody wanted to bother with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:12:55 2020 No.12118482 File: 20 KB, 591x128, what did he mean by this.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] uh oh bros is this a racist dogwhistle?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:12:56 2020 No.12118483 >>12118382 "Once ze rockets go up, who cares where zhey come down. Zhat is not my department."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:15:17 2020 No.12118487 >>12118482 white flight to mars soon brothers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:16:12 2020 No.12118491 >>12118272 But why don't the fonts match :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:17:15 2020 No.12118492 >>12118272 >>12118270 >>12118268 imagine having to be the cuckold shuttle pilot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:28:29 2020 No.12118514 NUCLEAR PULSE DRIVE THEOCRATIC COLONY SHIPS OUTWARD BOUND AND FULL OF MORMONS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:28:37 2020 No.12118515 >>12118482 Defund SpaceX immediately

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:38:26 2020 No.12118532 >>12118482 Its citation from book >We have tried to show that the essential cause of the Roman conquest of Greece was the disintegration of Greek civilization from within. No great nation is ever conquered until it has destroyed itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:45:39 2020 No.12118543 >>12118514 NUCLEAR PULSE EXPENDABLE BOOSTERS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:47:00 2020 No.12118549 >>12118482 Looks like it autocorrected to "suicide" from "genocide"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:48:14 2020 No.12118553 >>12118549 Greeks had steam engines

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:58:50 2020 No.12118578

>>12118543
>SLS, 2099
>in an effort to remain competitive with SpaceX's warp field technology being developed in a barren field in Oklahoma with nothing but silly putty and string, Senator Roboshelby from the Reconstructed Alabama Territory has approved a budget amendment for SLS Block 2B, with nuclear fission solid rocket boosters
>literally little ground up flakes of plutonium in the fuel react in the throat of the nozzle to sustain criticality
>still using Shuttle booster casings though

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:15:01 2020 No.12118598
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>>12118372
>former SS Major
>head of the V2 program
>Von Braun's interest in rockets was specifically for the application of space travel, not for killing people. Satirist Mort Sahl has been credited with mocking von Braun by saying "I aim at the stars, but sometimes I hit London
>'Von Braun had a charismatic personality and was known as a ladies man. As a student in Berlin, he would often be seen in the evenings in the company of two girlfriends at once. He later had a succession of affairs within the secretarial and computer pool at Peenemünde'
>He had an affair in Paris with a French woman later in 1943, she was later arrested for collaboration
>Joined the USA, with some of his original team
>His loyal Germans still addressed him as "Herr Professor"
>Worked with Disney to promote a crewed rotating space station and yuge ferry rocket in the form of childrens shows
>literally wrote the book on Mars missions
>put men on the fucking MOON
>A few months later, on occasion of the first Moon landing, he publicly expressed his optimism that the Saturn V carrier system would continue to be developed, advocating human missions to Mars in the 1980s
>Von Braun also developed the idea of a Space Camp that would train children in fields of science and space technologies, as well as help their mental development much the same way sports camps aim at improving physical development
>In 1973, during a routine physical examination, von Braun was diagnosed with kidney cancer, which could not be controlled with the medical techniques available at the time. Von Braun continued his work to the extent possible, which included accepting invitations to speak at colleges and universities, as he was eager to cultivate interest in human spaceflight and rocketry, particularly his desire to encourage the next generation of aerospace engineers.

based doesn't even describe it, this absolute fucking gigachad is one of history's most important visionaries

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:31:48 2020 No.12118632 File: 10 KB, 120x480, ur900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118543 EXPENDABLE HYPERGOLIC NUCLEAR THERMAL ROCKET

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:58:36 2020 No.12118707 THREE DIMENSION PRINTED CARBON COMPOSITE BESPOKE SATELLITE BUS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:09:08 2020 No.12118738 Extreme aerobraking over Venus then Trans-Earth Injection to return to Earth phosphine samples when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:34:36 2020 No.12118797 >>12118738 >burning in venus atmosphere when? Fixed it for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:43:59 2020 No.12118824 >>12118482 Not really. >>12118532 Which book? Hellenic civilization was pretty much at the zenith of its power when Rome started encroaching into its turf.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:47:54 2020 No.12118834 >>12118824 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1305426401395437568?s=20

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:54:12 2020 No.12118855 >>12118834 Interesting. Might check it out later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:57:05 2020 No.12118863 >>12118797 EXTREME AEROBRAKING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:01:51 2020 No.12118879 >>12118834 So much research by actual historians has been done since the writing of this book it's not worth your time. Will Durant is also a religious retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:05:06 2020 No.12118890 >>12118863 Anddd signal lost.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:07:38 2020 No.12118902

>It is also quite probably the most vigorous fluorinating agent in existence—much more vigorous than fluorine itself. Gaseous fluorine, of course, is much more dilute than the liquid ClF3, and liquid fluorine is so cold that its activity is very much reduced.
>All this sounds fairly academic and innocuous, but when it is translated into the problem of handling the stuff, the results are horrendous. It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water—with which it reacts explosively.
MethaFlo when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:40:21 2020 No.12118972 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo&feature=youtu.be

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:47:55 2020 No.12118989 >>12118492 You mean the parental shuttle? the one in the bottom that gets to put the shuttle-let into space? Its just perspective, id want to be the one in the big one, actually fly.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:51:53 2020 No.12118994

>>12118491
the big one flies pretty slow, for a long sustained burn and to a certain height in the atmosphere, the small one then decouples and flies really fucking fast even compared to the current space shuttle. The big one never really goes through serious atmospheric reentry, the small one can handle reentry from geostationary orbits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:53:17 2020 No.12118996 >>12118632 the ur900 is the most kerbal rocket ever designed in real life. -Comrade designer just add more boosteroskis

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:55:41 2020 No.12119003

>>12118598
he was great, but he took his team along with him for reasons, those pretty much unknown original german scientists were the shoulders he stood on. Most of his work is derivative from them, but they trusted and relied on him to keep them safe first from the nazis and then into the hands of the USA.

It was a team effort, although yes, a great man standing on big shoulders.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:17:14 2020 No.12119051

>>12118482
Elon musk has:
>on separate occasions said he is a nationalist and a socialist
>described his version of socialism as allocation of capital to those who will use it best
>bros with Peter Thiel
>least affirmative action in the industry at spacex, gets flak for being 90% male
>from South Africa
>Openly called out Socialist twitter
>Openly denounced pronouns
>has 7 sons
I'm thinking based?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:19:41 2020 No.12119055 >>12118314 Well, it's design was started during that awkward period of space flight where reusable launchers were seen a bad thing thanks to the Shuttle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:24:21 2020 No.12119066 >>12119051 Not even a ethnonat myself, but funny how some people on /pol/ will shit on Musk even though he's done far more for the "white race" than any of them ever will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:31:52 2020 No.12119078 File: 119 KB, 369x327, 1504201028774.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119051 >>bros with Peter Thiel you think they touch pps?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:31:56 2020 No.12119079 File: 429 KB, 972x1004, titan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Life on Venus announcement starting in 30 minutes! >>12118972

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:32:14 2020 No.12119080 >>12119051 30 years ago he would be considered flamboyant liberal

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:33:39 2020 No.12119086 File: 57 KB, 1600x1245, shuttle_concept.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118268 >not posting the sexiest shuttle

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:35:05 2020 No.12119095 File: 374 KB, 1000x841, shuttle_concept2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119086

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:35:23 2020 No.12119096 >>12118274 Starship/ITS is literally an update of the early 70s shuttle concepts but redesigned around powered vertical landings which allows for traditional stacking and the elimination of the wings awd empennage from the booster and the orbiter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:38:07 2020 No.12119110 >>12119080 He is still fairly liberal even today. He openly supports UBI and solar energy, for example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:40:29 2020 No.12119119 File: 152 KB, 1024x900, antikythera-mechanism[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118553 >muh antikathera device

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:40:38 2020 No.12119121

>>12119066
Does /pol/ shits on musk tho? I'm aware of the criticism toward him for being an union breaker neocon "we will coup whoever we want!" but it's mostly from the radical left. And at the end of the day if you sherry pick his tweets you can admire him whatever your political tendencies because he's a good propagandist of his image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:40:51 2020 No.12119123 >>12119110 >supports UBI So did Adam Smith, Henry George, and Thomas Paine in one form or another.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:43:49 2020 No.12119134 >>12119051 Don't forget his talk about the great replacement and plummetting western fertility rates and how "you can't just replace 600 million [white] people with immigrants, it doesn't work that way"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:45:39 2020 No.12119141 >>12119119 Antikythera wasn't a steam engine. The Aeropile/Heron Engine was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:46:23 2020 No.12119147 When is explorers Paul Wooster stream?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:48:40 2020 No.12119156

>>12119123
Source for any of those?
>>12119141
The aeropile was basically just a toy and proof of air pressure, not something with practical applications at the time, and honestly not something that could have practical applications before the the 18th century because of issues with metallurgy and standardization.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:50:49 2020 No.12119165 >>12118372 The first Lunar city should be called Von Braun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:56:33 2020 No.12119189 >>12118270 Holy fuck this is so cool

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:59:57 2020 No.12119200

>>12119156
>Source for any of those?
Seriously?
Agrarian Justice.
Progress and Poverty.
Smith didn't quite say it in direct terms.

>Men did not make the earth. It is the value of the improvements only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property. Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds.
Basically, all these people believed that land value tax is the best form of taxation. It creates no deadweight loss. This was a common stance during the Enlightenment and Rational era. This sentiment is echoed by many Libertarians, including Milton Friedman. Paine believed that a form of basic income - a citizen's dividend - should be given based on inheritance. George thought it should be more from the taxes of natural resources. The fusion of Georgism and Libertarianism is called Geolibertarianism. (Some people don't use the term Georgist but prefer Geoist). Marx decried Georgism. Thought it was capitalism's last ditch effort to avoid death. Marx was a cunt.

If someone says they support UBI I assume they're stupid. I think the terms stupid. If they support a citizen's dividend then I support them.
>>12119156
>The aeropile was basically just a toy
Correct. It's still a steam engine.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:08:31 2020 No.12119259
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Would variable geometry wings be viable on a reusable spaceplane?

It doesn't have to be SSTO, just have them swing forward after reentry for the final landing approach.

I was thinking on a configuration similar to pic related: this is the (unbuilt) Sukhoi T-4MS bomber.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:10:32 2020 No.12119272 File: 1.20 MB, 1930x1084, Screen Shot 2020-09-14 at 11.09.56 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh shit

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:10:46 2020 No.12119277

>>12119200
Looking around, it seems George didn't support UBI(https://www.landandliberty.net/the-question-of-henry-georges-support-for-a-universal-basic-income/)), and Paine was just supporting a system of old-age and disability pensions, with a flat sum given to everyone when the reach maturity but nothing more than that.
>Correct. It's still a steam engine.
And the SLS is a launch vehicle, but it don't make it practical or useful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:59 2020 No.12119287 Venus space race when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:13:16 2020 No.12119292 >>12119277 >it seems George didn't support UBI Read Progress and Poverty.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:29 2020 No.12119306

>>12119277
>just supporting a system of old-age and disability pensions,
Oh, and no. Pensions you have to pay into.
Paine supported an unconditional grant of a lump sum to all people at 18. Then supported unconditional money to all people 50 and older. The latter can be described as a pension but not really because, again, you're not paying into it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:18:30 2020 No.12119320 Yeah, it's not like the sun is pelting phosphorous elements on Venus with hydrogen or anything. It must be ayyy brraaps. In b4 we funnel 50 years of space exploration into gay ass probes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:20:19 2020 No.12119330 >>12119306 That is still a form of pension, and SOMEONE would need to pay for the UBI, even if just the ultrarich, albeit that is highly unlikely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:22:43 2020 No.12119342 >>12119272 Literally whomst and what

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:23:43 2020 No.12119347 >>12119330 No it's not. Right. And the money is coming from taxes on land rent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:25:16 2020 No.12119355 >>12119320 Why would it be in the middle layers of the atmosphere then? >>12119342 https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1305221189011476481?s=20

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:28:40 2020 No.12119374

>>12118339
>Why has the Boring Company been such a failure by comparison?
It went from a concept to real world product in 2 years. Its completed 3+ tunnels already and is in track to finish its first commercial product.

What do you mean its a "failure"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:13 2020 No.12119378 >>12119355 I'll believe there's life in the Venus atmosphere when the scientists have sex and provide hard empirical truth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:15 2020 No.12119379 >>12119355 Because it's a gas consisting of primarily hydrogen and rises up?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:32:49 2020 No.12119398

>>12119347
>No it's not.
Yep, it is, otherwise modern pensions wouldn't actually be pensions.
>Right. And the money is coming from taxes on land rent.
You understand that this was intended to relatively small agrarian communities in 19th century, correct?
Property rent-seeking today isn't the money maker it was back then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:06 2020 No.12119405 >>12119320 All ass probes are gay when you think about it anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:25 2020 No.12119409 >>12119379 How would the hydrogen get that low Venus thick atmosphere in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:36:31 2020 No.12119420 >>12119409 Exactly, if this was because of solar wind it would be limited to upper atmosphere. It could be a funky geological process but they ruled out most of them. Not believing life on Venus rn but it's now a definite possibility.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:36:54 2020 No.12119423

>>12119409
Not like the sun isn't shitting out hydrogen or anything, right? I'm not really a chemist but this shit was first isolated in 1783 or something by a dude who heated up phosphorous and potash in water.
Yes, literally that complex a chemical reaction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:37:45 2020 No.12119429 >>12119420 What’s that one quote? Like once you eliminate all possibilities what remains is likely the truth, no matter how unlikely. That’s how I feel. I hope it’s aliens bros

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:40:09 2020 No.12119442

>>12119423
Can you read? I am asking how solar hydrogen, a very light substance, would be able to penetrate Venus very thick and dense atmosphere to the point where it would reach the regions within it with the necessary conditions of heat and pressure to create phosphine.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:40:43 2020 No.12119447
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Today in history:
>1712 – Giovanni Domenico Cassini, Italian-French mathematician, astronomer and engineer, died (born 1625).
>1954 – In a top secret nuclear test, a Soviet Tu-4 bomber drops a 40 kiloton atomic weapon just north of Totskoye village.
>1958 – The first two German post-war rockets, designed by the German engineer Ernst Mohr, reach the upper atmosphere.
>1959 – The Soviet probe Luna 2 crashes onto the Moon, becoming the first man-made object to reach it.
>2015 – The first observation of gravitational waves is made, announced by the LIGO and Virgo collaborations on 11 February 2016.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:41:17 2020 No.12119448 >>12119442 >the necessary conditions of heat and pressure No seriously, this shit doesn't require diamond anvil pressures to form. Stop pretending otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:41:52 2020 No.12119452 >>12119306 >>12119330 Paine was talking about Britain and what to do with with the budget surplus after eliminating the Monarchy. He decided giving the money to the disabled and elderly was easier than quickly reforming the tax system.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:45:13 2020 No.12119469

The researchers are "extremely confident" the phosphine wasn't produced abiotically on venus, the conditions are not like those where phosphine forms on gas giants, too little pressure and not enough hydrogen.

Very confident the jupiter process is not occuring on Venus, you need thousands of atmospheres of *hydrogen* pressure to do that.

Either an unknown process or life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:47:55 2020 No.12119481 >>12119447 thank you history bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:50:45 2020 No.12119490 >>12119330 Everyone should make their own money somehow or die.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:51:52 2020 No.12119497 File: 818 KB, 1945x1969, 3706213311.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Vega probe mentioned Warms my heart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:53:40 2020 No.12119506 Startship Venus sample return when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:55:05 2020 No.12119518 File: 2.90 MB, 1200x1883, DAVINCI_Venus_mission_descent.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fucking hyped for davinci bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:24 2020 No.12119530 >>12118320 Wow so reliable, it crashes every mission. :)

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:59:38 2020 No.12119537

any amount of fanboism for elon musk is justified, even verner von braun is a piece of shit idiot compared to him, the incredibly increidble rate of advancement he shows is ultra fantastic

like, id see no problems with making this forum and all forums and all colelges and all places ofe earths just places where we masturbate thinking about whats to come, real irl reusable rocket cheap access to space solar system colonization, its as non existant now as it is guaranteed in a few years

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:02:24 2020 No.12119550 >still no lander on mercury

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:03:45 2020 No.12119557

>>12118261
I'm kind of a newfag when it comes to rocket science but how come it's so hard to make reusable rockets? If it's the heat damage from re-entry friction then why not slow down the re-entry and descent? Is it because there is not enough fuel left to do?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:05:53 2020 No.12119569

>>12119557
Another issue is rockets like Atlas V go so high up on the first stage that heat is just too much of an issue, falcon 9 does an entry burn to lower peak heating iirc. It also stages early and has many engines, meaning more throttle capability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:14:13 2020 No.12119613 >>12119259 Interesting. It should have aerospike engines for supersonic earth-to-earth repositioning flights so it wouldn't have to be strapped to the back of a 747.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:15:05 2020 No.12119619 >>12119569 So theoretically if you could design a rocket that can climb up and descent slowly enough, reusability wouldn't be much of an issue?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:16:02 2020 No.12119625 File: 861 KB, 1142x827, Ceres.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BELTALOWDA!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:16:50 2020 No.12119633 >>12118632 NOW AND FOREVER

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:17:10 2020 No.12119636 >>12119557 You would need exactly the same amount of fuel to land propulsively as you need when going to orbit, so it's totally impractical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:18:42 2020 No.12119647 >>12119636 Ok Rogozin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:19:26 2020 No.12119653 >>12119625 Interesting >>12119619 I mean, I guess. Software is also an issue I would thing, engine reusability too.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:21:33 2020 No.12119663

>>12119557
Like >>12119569 says, it's about thrust and ability to throttle.
Atlas V has 1 engine with 2 combustion chambers and relies on solid boosters for anything past that. Not sure how low RD-180 can throttle and I really can't be arsed digging through my books to see if I can find it, but there's no fucking way it can throttle down low enough to slow down let alone hoverslam.
Now the Falcon 9 has 9 engines which can throttle pretty low due to having a very good pintle injector, it uses 3 engines to slow down and protect the engines during reentry (sounds kind of paradoxical, but the fire from the engines actually protect them coming through) and it uses a single engine for the landing burn.

It's a matter of balancing the amount of thrust per engine to the rocket's size. That's why Starship is so xbox hueg. With the amount of engines on the super heavy, you can do the same re-rentry as the F9 booster and the same landing, but not for the starship since it only has 3 sea level Raptors. So it will need to bellyflop and use air drag to slow down.

Another comparison is Vulcan Centaur using 2x BE-4 vs New Glenn. Vulcan will potentially use SMART, which is just engine recovery, New Glenn will be able to theoretically land propulsively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:23:02 2020 No.12119676 >>12119663 Whoops, forgot that New Glenn is 7x BE-4.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:23:34 2020 No.12119680

>>12119550
Tbh aside from space weathering and heavy metal deposits, Mercury is boring af. I can't think of anything interesting we could learn from it
(Although I could be wrong. Every space mission always give SOME interesting data that leads to new understandings)

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:24:40 2020 No.12119684

>>12119557
It WAS impossible before because among other thing, no computer was smart and practical enough to land those.
Then the problem became economic.
For a long time no one had both the money to develop more than rocket and the motivation to do so.
Nation only care to have the capability and are averse to losing money in R&D.
Private investor require lot of money to do more than just a rocket, SpaceX is still on life support despite the huge save.
They also only reuse first stage because 2nd stage require to slow down a LOT. Reentry fiction is still hard to do and increase the cost a lot.

Then there's also the engineering problem of throttling. It's hard enough to reignite an rocket engine, throttling down is best done by having more engines.

>>12119636
We are not bringing down a rocket fully loaded silly anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:30:20 2020 No.12119705 Lmao put me in the screenshot. Venus is just shitposting with natural phosphines to trick the brits into thinking they found ayyyys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:32:54 2020 No.12119712 >>12119663 >>12119684 I see, thanks for the info lads. I expected plenty of issues with reusability but i wasn't aware that even just throttling rockets was such a problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:34:44 2020 No.12119715 >>12119705 But according to our current knowledge the amounts should not be possible without bacteria.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:35:10 2020 No.12119716 >>12119712 Yeah idk if you play kerbal space program, but don’t let it fool you. It’s really hard to get an engine down to 1% and have the ability to turn it off, on, off, on, whenever you please

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:37:58 2020 No.12119731

>>12119715
I’m calling it an error in modeling. It’s most likely a natural process, we just haven’t figured out what could be creating it. As they say: it isn’t life until it’s for sure life- it’s definitely a good reason to send a mission to Venus either way though. I’m not trying to be cynical or anything, I’m just skeptical because as far as we know life is rare. (But keep in mind these scientists know this and their paper will be peer reviewed and everything)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:40:14 2020 No.12119741 File: 14 KB, 326x272, 1579384386859.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119557 spayce hard :DD

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:41:06 2020 No.12119742

>>12119712
Chemical rockets are controlled explosions and nowhere near as controlled as your inline 4. No pistons, no gearbox. Extremely oversimplified, all you have is a combustion chamber, fuel being fed into it and a nozzle.

>>12119716
Yes. Just starting a F9 engine for instance, involves shooting in a jet of TEA-TEB into the combustion chamber while it's primed full of LOX and RP-1, if you see a green flash on livestreams, that's what it is.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TEA-TEB

Now you have to start 3 of them in an extremely tight time window for the entry burn, then you have to do the same for 1 for the landing burn, but they always have others primed for backup in case that one fails. Now you start to understand why nobody else has bothered yet.
And another part of the puzzle is that they're just too fucking well paid on government pork contracts and it pays far better to just throw shit in the ocean than reuse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:44:52 2020 No.12119753 >>12119705 considering we haven't got proper landers there to check things out, it could just be from some volcanic or other reaction we've yet to see

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:46:56 2020 No.12119763
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>Nobel laureate Sara Seager discovers life on Venus
Why do these agencies insist on hemorrhaging all their operating capital on trips to Mars when all Venus needs is an array of micron solar shades parked on L1

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:49:34 2020 No.12119772 >>12119763 I really wonder what Earth would be like if our landmasses weren't so conveniently placed. So many natural boundaries on this map

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:50:27 2020 No.12119777 >>12119763 Venus is the hardest planet to terraform within the inner solar system, even mercury would be easier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:51:57 2020 No.12119780 >>12119763 >Sara Seager Seager was born in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and is Jewish

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:54:06 2020 No.12119787 >>12119772 Conveniently placed how?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:56:58 2020 No.12119795

>>12119772
Lmao our land masses are pretty INCONVENIENTLY placed anon. Places like florida and the UK should be cooler given their position, but other continents fuck up the ocean currents and make them warm. Also antarctica is in the middle of pole. So many cool fossils and raw materials trapped under kilometers of ice.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:59:47 2020 No.12119804

>>12119557
Its a lot of problem that interact in complex ways between them.

Want to slow down enough to negate the need for a heatshield? ok you're gonna need a shit ton of fuel, that means you got to launch that fuel with you when you launch, so now your rocket is comically oversized, to launch a small payload, even the R&D becomes really expensive, you have to build ginormous rockets new infrastructure that all may fail for a chance that it works, it may fail, but even if it doesnt theres no chance it will be cheaper by $/kg to orbit than existing reusable rockets, particularly when you factor in RD costs, at that point if you insist on the idea you'd probably reach the conclussion that it could work if it were even bigger or if there was a bigger demand for launch, but there just isnt, and if it works only for a lot of demand then you sure as hell have to make it reliable its gonna launch a lot, need it to be ultra reliable? ok thats gonna cost you more money, which means you need even higher launch cadence to make it work.

and i didnt even scratch the surface of political and military reasons which all apply, heavily at every step of the way.

iterative design is a real bitch

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:04:23 2020 No.12119823

>>12119787
Europe, Africa, Asia, North and South America were all connected at one point by the Siberian land bridge. We've got huge plains like the Steppe and great plains, long navigable rivers like Danube. This place is not like that at all. Doesn't really lend itself to sprawling civilizations.

>>12119795
I quite like it here in FL.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:06:03 2020 No.12119830 >>12119823 Literally how do you not fall into a sinkhole with all that karst topography. Too much limestone and lightning and boomers (no offense)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:10:17 2020 No.12119840 >>12118423 > 163693 atira How do you get this stuff for RSS? I only got a handful of asteroids

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:13:32 2020 No.12119848 File: 381 KB, 1600x668, planets-distance-order-Sun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why must our solar system be so boring?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:14:56 2020 No.12119853

>>12119830
I tap the floor ahead of me with my foot. Hurricanes give us some amusement, but the geology here is so fucking boring. I remember panning literal gravel in the hope I would find something interesting as a kid.

Boomers are a plus and minus some are cool as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:17:59 2020 No.12119861 >>12119848 Binary star systems are more common in these parts. Maybe it's Jupiter, our failed star, that has the biggest impact on allowing life to develop here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:21:45 2020 No.12119881 >>12119861 Maybe having a Jupiter is extremely beneficial to inner-worlds trying to develop life, I always hear people say Jupiter goes to bat for us and flings shit out of the solar system that might otherwise come for us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:26:49 2020 No.12119898 Been gone for a few months and noticed there have been a few hops. What is the spcex timeline looking like? Will we get uncrewed starships sent to mars in 2022?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:27:21 2020 No.12119900
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>>12119848
It's fairly cool as it is. Has a close in planet that's not a hot Jupiter. A planet that violently resurfaces itself every so often. An almost double planet. A planet that's almost ideal for a space fairing civilization. Possibly the smallest Jupiter sized planet known. A planet with hueg rangs. A planet that's sideways. A planet with perhaps the most bizarre moon. Sure, things could be more interesting, but it only seems boring to us because we live in it every day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:32:33 2020 No.12119918 >>12119320 they mentioned in the livestream the amount of pelting is not even close to enough to explain the 20ppb detected

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:33:13 2020 No.12119925 >>12119898 SN8, the first Starship with full fins and nosecone, will apparently be finished in a week or so, followed by the 20km hop within a month

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:35:19 2020 No.12119935 >>12119848 Imagine one with just Mercury venus earth. Could be worse

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:36:30 2020 No.12119938 just wanna some sample return mission to venus...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:36:48 2020 No.12119940 File: 149 KB, 1200x944, 1568849850211.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] could it have worked?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:37:15 2020 No.12119945 >>12119848 It's been tampered with through engineered planetary impacts.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:37:41 2020 No.12119948

>>12119772
>I really wonder what Earth would be like if our landmasses weren't so conveniently placed. So many natural boundaries on this map
>convenient
Based on what?
As travel goes America block the way around the world and forced us to build gigantic canal,
The planet is tilted so with season dangerous iceberg appear if the way isn't completely blocked,
The resources are spread unequally resulting in economic domination of dictatorship,
Unequally and yet there's no distinct "ore spot" so we know where to mine forever,
Everything is spread in distinct landmass, separating human civilization long enough we don't get to learn to live peacefully sooner,
Worse they were NOT completely separated, giving enough time for human to diversify in diverse recognizable races,

And why aren't the biggest mountains right at the equator so we can build magnetic launch system on them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:38:42 2020 No.12119954 >>12119940 Ugly lookin engines

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:39:54 2020 No.12119956 File: 212 KB, 1199x944, 1587681031492.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119954 wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:39:57 2020 No.12119957 >>12119954 Wow didn't know it was possible for a human being to get this gay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:43:17 2020 No.12119972 >>12119954 I'll punch your daughter straight in the mouth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:44:02 2020 No.12119977 File: 74 KB, 960x784, 1582323358649.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119954

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:44:20 2020 No.12119980

>>12119940
It probably would’ve if they hadn’t insisted on the composite tankage. The aluminum-lithium option proposed was still light enough to work, and would’ve had a much easier time maintaining structural integrity in that weird multi-lobed shape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:46:46 2020 No.12119989 >>12119900 >the smallest Jupiter sized planet known By definition, wouldn't Jupiter be near the median of Jupiter-sized planets?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:49:35 2020 No.12120002

>>12119848
Without comparison it's crazy cool.
>1 inhabitable planet + tidal-locked moon
>several gas giant
>one have a badass orange skin and gigantic storms, plenty of moon to colonize
>one have HUGE rings
>another have vertical ring and is crazy cooler
>last one is a bonus
>far away we get a bonus double dwarf planet
>Dwarf-planet to mine until it stop being a Dwarf-planet
>asteroid field
>Mercury superhot planet for fun, would fix it by making it tidally locked, allowing easy infrastructure in the shadow
>Venus heavy atmosphere so we can play with floating city later

Having another star wouldn't be that interesting and prevent us to have so many good planet.

Still I would exchange the cold irradiated shithole next to Earth for something we can actually terraform with lower gravity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:52:05 2020 No.12120014 File: 249 KB, 1366x768, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holyshit...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:53:56 2020 No.12120024 File: 26 KB, 411x310, IMG_1769.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120014

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:58:24 2020 No.12120045 >>12120014 This hefty son of a bitch could carry the other landers there in its cargo hold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:58:51 2020 No.12120047 File: 21 KB, 980x1100, alpaca2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120024 Yeah, but Alpaca cute.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:00:58 2020 No.12120050

>>12119989
Maybe, but there is a mass of gaseous planets where they stop getting larger as more mass is added to them (barring temperature differences making them larger or smaller). They only get more dense. I think that this mass is believed to be one Jupiter mass, and a planet that is less massive than Jupiter but the same size hasn't been found yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:04:28 2020 No.12120067 >>12118314 the later block SLS would be nice but its so painful to get to that point bros

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:06:44 2020 No.12120074

>>12119948
Canal is built already
Seasons aren't really a negative
the rest are kinda just not realistic
As for the separation, all the variance is pretty cool. As much as it's memed on here, it allows for different perspectives on metaphysical issues. Not to mention cool wars and conflict.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:08:13 2020 No.12120081 https://twitter.com/waynehale/status/1305523117855518723 there's a small chance the hurricane could damage SLS related facilities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:12:15 2020 No.12120093 >>12120081 This sounds like something that could create more jobs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:13:26 2020 No.12120096 >>12120081 Even if it does not cause damage they will have to halt operations for a month or two to survey the area for possible damage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:16:05 2020 No.12120100 >>12120074 Shit map design is shit. Stop defending the devs for bad design choices.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:18:19 2020 No.12120110 >>12119900 i was the guy with the "make mars, venus, and earth" post lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:21:38 2020 No.12120127 >>12120067 still less capable than a Saturn V

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:22:51 2020 No.12120131 File: 749 KB, 828x779, SLS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's happening

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:24:16 2020 No.12120138 >>12120100 kek >>12120110 The super earth guy probably had the best idea, although one around saturn would be cool. Or just make earth a double planet. With another earth in place of the moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:25:43 2020 No.12120148 >>12120138 >Or just make earth a double planet. With another earth in place of the moon. The tides would be ridiculous. Tsunamis every day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:26:04 2020 No.12120150 File: 552 KB, 2400x1350, 1588312145150.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120014 inb4 the other crews skip their missions to do shots in the extremely luxurious Starship bar and lounge

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:32:23 2020 No.12120172 >>12120148 The moon was much closer at one point as well. We'd manage, plus it would be cool. Cool things are rarely safe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:32:49 2020 No.12120174 >>12120138 You would need several times more powerful rockets to only get in orbit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:38:49 2020 No.12120199 >>12120174 Wouldn't aerobraking make capture basically free? Hardest part would be getting out, but still think it's doable. Landing would be really hard though, but it would definitely spur innovation. We'd just put more money to aerospace.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:52:29 2020 No.12120254 >https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1305523368276488192 OH NO AHAHAHAH

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:55:02 2020 No.12120266 >>12120254 >if we determine the lunar South Pole is out of reach for Artemis 3. ARE YOU FUCKING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:55:43 2020 No.12120270 >>12120254 Absolute state of SLS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:57:19 2020 No.12120273 >>12120254 Can big Jim order the SLS guys to drop the orange tank and use a proper 3STO moon rocket architecture?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:58:31 2020 No.12120277 File: 996 KB, 2376x1543, Go for Mars.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120014 is it even a competition?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:58:48 2020 No.12120278 >>12120254 OMINOUS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:01:14 2020 No.12120288 >>12120150 >Elon builds a wet-lab conversion kit for moonship that astronauts can do from the ground in EVA suits >drops a cluster of them at the south pole >"hey guys I built a moon base" >SLS Block 2 still has not flown IMAGINE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:01:40 2020 No.12120289 File: 711 KB, 563x3625, delta_super_heavy_by_ynot1989_dcl4pie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120277 Not so fast

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:01:41 2020 No.12120290 >>12120131 I wish Charlie Bolden would quietly go away too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:02:31 2020 No.12120292 >>12120289 Is that supposed to be a shuttle-like second stage for an F9?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:03:13 2020 No.12120294 >>12120289 That's not American enough. The booster needs to be 4 Shuttle SRBs held together by zip ties.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:03:24 2020 No.12120295 >>12120292 https://www.deviantart.com/ynot1989/art/Delta-Super-Heavy-761085734 looks like BFR shuttle

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:04:33 2020 No.12120296 File: 259 KB, 610x449, silenceoldspace.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M Test today bois?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:05:49 2020 No.12120299 File: 26 KB, 248x1040, starship launchsystem.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just imagine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:06:17 2020 No.12120300 >>12120254 SLS is real. Bottom text.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:07:11 2020 No.12120303 File: 22 KB, 386x684, Boing Pressure suit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >bruh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:08:04 2020 No.12120305 >>12120289 I wonder how much it would cost to develop that sort of vehicle? Couple trillion?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:08:12 2020 No.12120307 >>12118474 >nuclear thermal propulsion, as well as the Orion drive Why did they fail

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:09:32 2020 No.12120309 >>12119121 >Does /pol/ shits on musk tho? Yes all the time

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:10:39 2020 No.12120310

>>12120299
>SRBs are the second stage
>they detach in orbit and get collected by Starship tugs to build space stations
>put vacuum nozzles on the RS-25s
>entire "core stage" becomes third stage
You could probably build a Uranus or Neptune orbiter like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:12:29 2020 No.12120320 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_5Wu-7xchc

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:13:16 2020 No.12120326 >>12120310 imagine if we did actually launch rockets in pieces like that in large special fairings and assembled in orbit... actually fuck that just use d

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:13:54 2020 No.12120328 >>12120326 Oh no, the Alabama banjo-snipers got him.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:16:10 2020 No.12120336

lads we need to send something to Venus tomorrow
no fucking around with faulty equipment for 20 years and no gay little slingshots for 'efficiency'
just send a fucking expendable falcon heavy tomorrow and get the fuck on it with a microscope built like a tank

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:18:15 2020 No.12120342 >>12120336 Anon when starship is ready we will launch the /sfg/-funded 4GAS zeppelin to study the ayyyys, with the SHITAR sample return probe as the cherry on top

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:21:55 2020 No.12120361 >>12120336 https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-selects-four-possible-missions-to-study-the-secrets-of-the-solar-system Let's hope DAVINCI + VERITAS are the next selections...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:22:57 2020 No.12120366 >The last U.S.-led, in-situ mission to Venus was in 1978.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:26:05 2020 No.12120380 >>12120342 >4GAS zeppelin We could probably get /pol/ to provide a lot of the funding in exchange for a Windmill of Diversity on the tailfin.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:27:16 2020 No.12120387

>>12120014
what kind of sense does it make to use starship as a lunar ascent vehicle, remember, it's a vehicle that's designed to bring a handful people from lunar surface to lunar orbit, it makes no sense to make it that big and it will require a retarded amount of fuel for the job.

im positive that this is a covert way to give money to starship which is somehting that nasa must have like almost explicitly forbidden, its nasa way of quietly slipping a "help us were kidnaped" note at spacex when it came by to check on you after he heard weird noises but you better hope boeing doesnt realize you did it or hell beat you up to a bloody pulp

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:28:14 2020 No.12120390 >>12120380 Like, advertisements? Lmao we would have to go with some big companies that aren't SJW corporate organizations. Maybe oil companies or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:28:28 2020 No.12120391 >>12120289 that's not such a bad idea, the main problem with the shuttle was that it was made to big and it was required to be side mounted. it could very well be an evolution of the starship vehicle

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:28:44 2020 No.12120393 VENUSIAN SAMPLE RETURN

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:29:02 2020 No.12120395 >>12120393 SURFACE*

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:29:34 2020 No.12120397

>>12120387
It will probably bring a shitload of cargo along with people each mission. Remember, each lander gets money based off of "cargo delivered" this time- not cost-plus contracting. Musk will use it to its full potential (especially because it will allow him to test stuff for Mars landings so it is in his favor to use Starship)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:29:35 2020 No.12120398 File: 32 KB, 1200x1200, nazi swastika.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120390 >Like, advertisements? Sorry, that was apparently too meta. "Le windmill of diversity" is /pol/'s sarcastic name for the swastika.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:29:55 2020 No.12120401

>>12120254
>>12120081

Each and every time some news about the SLS comes out, it makes the rocket worse and worse.

Imagine a timeline where SLS was the only BEO spacecraft in development and SpaceX never existed in the first place.

>>12120342

What should we name the blimp? Battle Ship or Deus Ex Machina?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:32:03 2020 No.12120405 >>12120401 Blimpin' Ain't Easy (in Rocketry)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:32:47 2020 No.12120407 >>12120397 i guess if it were designed for really long missions it would make sense, it brings supplies for the whole year, meanwhile if you forgot your favorite pair of snickers you can use one of the other landers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:32:54 2020 No.12120408 >>12120398 Oooooh hahah I gotcha. Yeah we obviously couldn't do that, but we COULD call it the Hindenburg lmao. I would also request that the Starship be called the Spirit of Von Braun. This is a great idea I really would love to organize this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:32:56 2020 No.12120409 >>12120289 it's like a really chonky SNC dream chaser

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:33:52 2020 No.12120415 >venusian sample return mission just nuke it until some pieces fly to earth lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:34:40 2020 No.12120419 >>12120307 muh launchpad RUD hot rocks, nuke scary ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:35:11 2020 No.12120425 >>12120397 >mr elon you've manifested more payload than we actually have >send a sports bar and day spa

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:36:07 2020 No.12120431 >>12120320 >Link to something 10 minutes before the stream ends. >Started streaming 5 hours ago Well done.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:36:39 2020 No.12120434

>>12120289
So a thought just occurred to me - instead of wasting space on hwheels, why not have the orbiter glide into the ocean? As in design it from the start to endure a water glided landing, sea water would be blocked from entering the engines by a deployable shield that deploys before re-entry, no need for a precise airfield landing, the sea is your runway, with no wings sticking out it feels like it should be possible on such a design a spacecraft that doubles as a "lifeboat".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:37:15 2020 No.12120437 >>12120408 >4GAS >SHITAR (I assume a play on Ishtar) >Spirit of Vaun Braun >Hindenburg Kek my sides have entered LVO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:37:15 2020 No.12120438 File: 80 KB, 520x403, cow_aerodynamics.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120415 >discover life outside of earth >get terrified and nuke it until it goes away very human

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:42:16 2020 No.12120451 >>12120437 >>SHITAR (I assume a play on Ishtar) Also a backronym for Sample Hoist Into Transfer Aerial Rocket

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:43:23 2020 No.12120454 Meeting one on one with someone in space policy for career advice and a perspective into the field. Anyone got any questions about it they want answered?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:44:19 2020 No.12120466 File: 33 KB, 538x640, 04.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canceled_Apollo_missions >Two Saturn V's unused >Tfw no Tycho mission

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:44:29 2020 No.12120467
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>>12120361
DAVINCI+ and TRIDENT would be the coolest. Davinci does everything Veritas wants to do but more, and Trident would give us a cool look at Triton (and Neptune), a planet not visited or photographed up close since the Voyager missions way back when.

But knowing NASA they will go with the other two gay missions

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:44:33 2020 No.12120468 >>12118492 imagine having a job where you get payed a bajillion dollars for eight minutes of flight time per week

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:44:34 2020 No.12120469 >>12120454 Ask them what everyone in their field has been smoking since they let the shuttle die with no replacement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:45:54 2020 No.12120475 >>12120451 Holy shit anon YES

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:48:07 2020 No.12120480

>>12120467
DAVINCI + VERITAS (with upgrades/new instruments in light of the phosphine discovery) so we can finally bring Venus exploration somewhat on par with Mars exploration and answer the phosphine life question sooner, and then next up should be outer planets (TRIDENT/Ivo) this is the most sensible option desu

With follow up Flagship Venus surface lander + clockwork rover in the further future

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:48:08 2020 No.12120481 File: 118 KB, 680x583, 1590938550272.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120254 jfc

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:49:59 2020 No.12120489

>>12120480
Alright, enjoy your Venus lander mission 40+ years from now lmao. Also reminder that there was a really cool (albiet really ambitious) Mechanical computer Venus lander mission proposed and it wasn't selected. Instead we got a gay ass mission to Jupiter's trojan asteroids.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:50:17 2020 No.12120492
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McCulloch is claiming both labs were able to reproduce thrust now. EmDrive soon?

>>12120480
Neptune is my favorite outer planet. It kills me we haven't been back since the 80s.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:50:50 2020 No.12120494 >>12120492 big if true https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a33917439/emdrive-wont-die

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:50:57 2020 No.12120496 File: 383 KB, 2000x1131, Sea Dragon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just imagine

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:51:46 2020 No.12120500 File: 263 KB, 989x953, sea-dragon-heavy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120496 think bigly

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:51:53 2020 No.12120501 >>12120254 >NASA rebrands Artemis around some historical nonsense and lands at previous Apollo sites >relies on water from the poles delivered by spacex cybertruckers IMAGINE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:52:36 2020 No.12120504 File: 360 KB, 2583x1317, Sea_Dragon_Launch_and_Recovery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120496 That said as recovery go it's wasteful.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:53:31 2020 No.12120511
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>>12120492
Even if it worked, wouldn't it just be on-par with something like an ion thruster (in terms of thrust)? I mean I guess none of us know. Here's to hoping it works, and even more importantly, here's to hoping it REALLY works and can be scaled up to do shit like lift tables off the ground and send ship directly to space without chemical propulsion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:53:40 2020 No.12120512 File: 560 KB, 2600x1200, starship_feature.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gotta admire the boldness of Space X's ambition

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:55:24 2020 No.12120523

>>12120511
I think you would scale it so a stack of EmDrives (or BART drives) that will function the same as the latest and best Hall thruster while requiring 0 (Zero) propellant, shit would be revolutionary and scalable I think, for larger payloads...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:56:47 2020 No.12120530 >>12120512 Crew is probably dead because of radiation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:57:24 2020 No.12120533 File: 74 KB, 1280x853, 1587293053951.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120254 >Each and every time some news about the SLS comes out this starts to play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYAGyZlBY0

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:58:02 2020 No.12120534

>>12120511
>Even if it worked, wouldn't it just be on-par with something like an ion thruster (in terms of thrust)?
I've actually done some math on that through the rigorous and painstaking process of "look shit up on Atomic Rockets engine list pages and compare newtons of thrust to engine and power supply mass, then assume ~1MWe is available to the reactionless drive since that's about the limit before you get into serious fission reactors." About 0.1N/kW puts it on par with current ion drives. Best experimental results so far (from Spain, paper coming) is 0.7N/kW. At ~1N/kW you start being able to replace solid core NTR for most missions. Nuclear lightbulb equivalent emdrives require either scaling them up to hundreds of megawatts of electrical input, or ~100N/kW efficiency, so nuke ships would still dominate the high end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:58:05 2020 No.12120536 >>12120512 >bold We are in the fakenews era, credibility was deemed overrated and holding your promise irrelevant. He is just following the trend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:59:09 2020 No.12120541 How much trouble would Elon be in if he kidnapped Hubble

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:00:19 2020 No.12120545 >>12120541 None, it's on its way out so he would basically be cleaning space. Doing a public service for free.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:01:22 2020 No.12120547 >>12120533 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pct1uEhAqBQ This is what I'm hearing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:01:27 2020 No.12120548

>>12120534
>we skip the costly, experimental, expensive, politically challenging NTR stage for now and can enjoy the benefits of reactionless drives for cruising around the solar system without propellant just fucking solar pannels is all you need to provide electricity
>can basically launch a probe powered by EmDrive to explore the inner planets directly no need for gravity assists, orbit Mercury for a few years then move on to Venus, then Mars

Fuck I gotta temper my excitement but that would be a huge breakthrough and a relief

EmDrive experimental Nanosat delivery to ISS for Kibo launch when

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:02:35 2020 No.12120553 File: 26 KB, 713x611, 1586801693884.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120547 boing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:03:18 2020 No.12120555 >>12120536 It's amazing how (((you))) always proclaim Elon's next goal to be fake, fantastical, impossible, etc. then just memory hole the whole thing and move on when it happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:04:28 2020 No.12120561 >>12120547 >>12120533 This is what comes to my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:06:01 2020 No.12120568 File: 10 KB, 480x360, old_man_kek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120254 There needs to be a documentary on how bad SLS is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:06:20 2020 No.12120569 >>12120555 We are talking of >>12120512 and the best lies contain both truth and bullshit so when anyone criticize you can claim they are criticizing something that was astonishingly easy in comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:06:44 2020 No.12120572 >>12119096 yes, I know

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:09:05 2020 No.12120583 >>12120512 Agreed. Beats the usual space flight tempered expectations of "in a couple of decades we might send a sample return mission to Mars!".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:09:39 2020 No.12120587 >>12119096 Wouldn't sea based landing solve the need for wings anyways >>12120434 and allow vertical stacking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:10:18 2020 No.12120589 >>12119518 I'm hyped for the other one too

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:10:18 2020 No.12120590 File: 78 KB, 853x1024, 1598848651125.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120254 >SLS can't moon How embarrassing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:10:22 2020 No.12120591

>>12120548
Even the plasma magnet sail's "full sized" 30m radius variant produces ~6kN away from the solar wind, so a 6N/kW emdrive with 1MWe of non-solar power would be superior to it for all missions except interstellar braking.

>>12120587
Seawater is crazy corrosive for metal rockets. It's why shuttle SRBs required refurbishment between flights.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:10:48 2020 No.12120594 >>12120583 It makes you wonder how much the slow progress on the spacefront is due to necessity and how much is due to prolonging/stalling deliberately for more funding... SpaceX is working at breakneck speed for comparison

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:11:16 2020 No.12120596

>>12120534
>reactionless drive
I'd rather call it propellantless because being truly reactionless breaks too many things we think we know about how physics works and is way less likely to be true, and also gets way too many people in blind opposition just from hearing the name

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:11:48 2020 No.12120599 >>12120289 Someone make this in KSP

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:13:11 2020 No.12120608 >tfw you finally get to chapter 7 of ignition and John Clark stops talking about Hypergols

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:13:31 2020 No.12120612 File: 529 KB, 600x250, 2049.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120401 >where SLS was the only BEO spacecraft in development and SpaceX never existed truly the darkest timeline

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:14:08 2020 No.12120616 >>12120342 4ASS could also add frogs in the hindenburgs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:14:15 2020 No.12120617 File: 79 KB, 598x540, Screenshot_2020-09-14 Jim Bridenstine on Twitter.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1305598182571810822

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:14:52 2020 No.12120621 File: 767 KB, 1414x650, 1590874900115.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120616

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:15:45 2020 No.12120624 >>12120617 >YAY! LET'S PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD FOR 50 YEARS AND SEND PROBES FOR A FUCKING NOTHINGBURGER.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:15:45 2020 No.12120625

>>12120591
>6N/kW emdrive
Imagine how perfect it would be for the proposed Interstellar Medium Probe though, no worries about propellant, just a direct shot out of the solar system and towards the Interstellar medium reaching it in less time than it took Voyager or Pioneer too

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:16:22 2020 No.12120631 File: 201 KB, 1024x683, 0er4562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120617 fucking Venusian balloon memers Mars #1

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:16:56 2020 No.12120635 >>12120617 >it's all a smokescreen to get the planetary protection brigade looking away from Mars Thanks, bud

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:17:01 2020 No.12120636 >>12120625 You'd still want the plasma magnet for braking in the ISM since you can get a lot of drag at relativistic speeds that way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:17:12 2020 No.12120637 >>12120617 >It's time to prioritize Venus DAVINCI + VERITAS! DAVINCI + VERITAS! DAVINCI + VERITAS! DAVINCI + VERITAS! DAVINCI + VERITAS!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:17:15 2020 No.12120638 >>12120624 I don't think he meant that. NASA can easily set up a Venus probe along with the rest of the stuff they're doing. Unless another anti-space flight president takes office.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:17:33 2020 No.12120641 >>12120617 ...well looks like DAVINCI+ is getting fast tracked. (just kidding NASA takes ten fucking years to pick, build, and launch a mission- and it takes another decade to get there because they only use anemic hydrolaunchers)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:17:34 2020 No.12120640 >>12120617 pls no

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:17:37 2020 No.12120642 >>12119940 no, SSTO is impossible, especially reusable SSTO, with chemical engines

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:18:25 2020 No.12120646 >>12120631 >4ASS autistronaut on Mars preparing to jump into a piss airlock

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:18:51 2020 No.12120648

>>12120638
Wait and see, we're gonna to enter another dark age of nothing but safetycucking with probes and rovers. 2 more generations of sitting tight doing fucking nothing.
I won't be around to see this one end and the careful optimism for "maybe we'll go to the moon and beyond again".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:18:51 2020 No.12120649 File: 1.27 MB, 1920x1080, Screenshot_20200914-151651.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Post space frogs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:19:36 2020 No.12120652 >>12120646 Stale briny PISS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:20:00 2020 No.12120655 File: 258 KB, 1428x1320, pepe dreams of space.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120649

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:20:31 2020 No.12120659 >>12120648 If that happens, then at least there's SpaceX and their Mars obsession.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:21:21 2020 No.12120664 >inb4 planetary protection rears their ugly heads into any of the Venus Discovery mission proposals

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:21:34 2020 No.12120666 File: 55 KB, 634x469, spes_pepe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120649

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:22:08 2020 No.12120667 File: 1.75 MB, 2396x3386, Launch_of_Ariane_5_flight_112.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120649

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:23:59 2020 No.12120670 File: 44 KB, 710x577, 1574975107918.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120667

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:24:05 2020 No.12120672 is it even physically possible tve a space suit for the surface of venus?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:24:08 2020 No.12120673 File: 190 KB, 640x640, 1542854703801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] VENUS FLAGSHIP MISSION

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:24:13 2020 No.12120675

>>12120659
Well, hopefully. But they're building a rocket based around the fact that their largest client is NASA and that currently NASA is aligning with their goal of heading for Mars.
There's not gonna be much need for hauling huge ass payloads towards Venus for a safetycuck probe focused program, at least nowhere near the scale a Mars or Moon focused program with ISRU and possible science station setups would.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:25:36 2020 No.12120678

>>12120675
>not realizing NASA Human spaceflight and robotic exploration (Discovery + New Frontiers) can and have been coexisting

What are you all paranoid for? If anything the safetycucks (alien safetycucks) of a certain NASA department might cuck us out of the Venus missions

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:26:26 2020 No.12120683 File: 59 KB, 928x385, don't mind me, just melting away.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120672 80 atmospheres and ~460 degrees celcius? Not really. That's before we take into considerations the chemical composition of that hellhole.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:27:01 2020 No.12120688

>>12120675
The only accomodations they've made for NASA with Starship have been the lunar lander vehicle which had to be redesigned to suit NASAutism. If anything the vehicle is specifically designed to operate in an environment independent of NASA partnership relying on internal Starlink funding.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:28:09 2020 No.12120694

>>12120678
Because I know that budgets are limited and are most likely going to get even more limited in the future thanks to the world economy going down the fucking shitter.
Printing money to keep shit afloat tends to have that effect.

>>12120688
So far, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:30:47 2020 No.12120699 >>12120683 how can we even send something to stay functional for more than a few hours? 4 meters of pure lead insulation? 8 nimitz class nuclear reactors providing active cooling?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:31:29 2020 No.12120701 >>12120699 a balloon? >surface is hell >don't go there wow so hard

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:32:26 2020 No.12120705

>>12120694
In order for NASA funding to become more important than internal funding with Starlink coming online, both military contractors and worldwide rural demand for high-speed low latency internet would have to collapse more than an order of magnitude over the near-term. Not happening.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:33:08 2020 No.12120708

>>12120701
how about you stay in your mother pussy if youre so afraid of life, except of getting pocked by black dicks every couple of hours youll be safe there. Yes i know the atmosphere is safer, but were out tehre to explore not to whine. Whiners dont get access to space, elon musk is ancap and space will be populated by the superior race who did the right life choices and managed to get 500 thousand dollars

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:33:21 2020 No.12120709 >>12120701 Venus upper atmosphere is still very acidic and toxic, and you have to deal with being inside a fucking balloon. I doubt that they will do anything other than sending some purpose build microsats to see if the microbes there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:34:23 2020 No.12120711 >>12120709 >the microbes there there is microbes there*

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:34:34 2020 No.12120714 >>12120708 Venus is literally hell. Short of magic force fields I don't see a viable way to put anything long term on the surface.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:35:33 2020 No.12120716 >>12120596 The proposals are that the systems have coupiling with external forces so they're not reactionless. They're like if we found out how to make a special propeller that could push off of space itself.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:35:41 2020 No.12120717

>>12120708
if you want to live on the Venusian surface absolutely nobody is stopping you

>>12120709
It would still be greatly unpleasant and toxic and corrosive but having a room temperature 1atm atmosphere is a lot better than an 800° 80atm atmosphere

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:35:43 2020 No.12120718 >>12120148 There's places with regular 10m+ tides. People can manage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:36:30 2020 No.12120721 >>12120617 Just don't cancel Artemis/Mars mission stuff Jim

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:36:33 2020 No.12120722 >>12120717 >if you want to live on the Venusian surface absolutely nobody is stopping you thank you, all i need now is 50 billion in funding so i can be proven wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:38:58 2020 No.12120729 >>12120699 There was a proposal for a radioisotope powered rover using a stirling cooler to keep the electronics at 200 C. The electronics would have to fit an insulated sphere the size of a grapefruit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:39:51 2020 No.12120734 >>12120721 he's clearly referring to the Discovery programs selection

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:39:56 2020 No.12120735 File: 96 KB, 1125x1107, 9590B026-5D0A-4CAB-97D8-7EECBF57E04A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120014 What do you want for ride to the moon in? >the virgin dinky tin can >the chad SPACE STRETCH LIMO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:40:35 2020 No.12120738 >>12120729 wasn't there a proposal to make a lander with almost no electronics, like make it purely mechanical even the computer so its morereliable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:41:11 2020 No.12120742 >>12120716 That would break either relativity or conservation of momentum

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:41:20 2020 No.12120743 >>12120738 rover yeah https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6933

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:41:33 2020 No.12120745 >>12120310 SRB don't have enough dv for that, anon >>12120409 with an appreciable amount of dv, yes >>12120637 I really do think they compliment each other well

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:41:42 2020 No.12120746 >>12120738 yes, manley made a vid about it

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:41:44 2020 No.12120747

For those of you wondering if you can make a suit or whatever for Venusian use, I suggest you study the Venera program. Venus is not a place you want to be.
And that's not safetycuck talking. 80-90 atmospheres of pressure is much the same as diving down to 800-900 meters, then there's temperatures of 460 celcius and up, hydrochloric and hydrofluoric acid in the atmosphere as well as other nasties.

Pick another vacation spot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:42:32 2020 No.12120749 How do you navigate with the stars without a sextant or any fancy tools? Nothing complicated,just figuring out what's East West North or South?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:43:23 2020 No.12120753 >>12120749 Polaris, constellations, etc...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:43:41 2020 No.12120755 >>12120746 you talking about the one and only sket mogly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:44:15 2020 No.12120756 >>12120738 I think it would be fully mechanical and then use mirrors to transmit data to a proper radio transmitter floating above

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:44:19 2020 No.12120757 >>12120749 https://www.livescience.com/62309-galactic-positioning-system-nasa.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:44:52 2020 No.12120759 >>12120714 Technology is magic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:45:39 2020 No.12120762 >>12120708 we're predicting life in the upper atmosphere, not on the surface

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:47:42 2020 No.12120767 >>12119121 Neurolink bro, they hate it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:48:51 2020 No.12120770 >>12120762 The ground should be littered with dead bugs, that would accumulate over years and years. Much better than sieving the atmosphere for live ones

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:50:59 2020 No.12120776

>>12120648
Starship would make the perfect craft for a Venus science mission, especially if microbes do exist lmao
SpaceX could set up a CREWED starship microbe lab that orbits venus, and use another (expendable) cargo starship to deploy a return rocket, and balloon in the be Venusian atmosphere
Human orbiting Venus would be pretty impressive

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:51:44 2020 No.12120778 File: 17 KB, 320x266, emdrive-photon-loop-1-1599162518[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120494 How fuckin scifi those photo loops look.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:52:29 2020 No.12120782 >>12120683 Just stick an AC to a hard-suit it's not that hard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:52:42 2020 No.12120783 >>12120776 I don't think starship can survive venus entry,and it's payload is low without aerobraking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:52:42 2020 No.12120785 >>12120778 cautiously optimistic but it still feels like it could end up as a big measurement error/failure like the "neutrinos faster than light!" thing a while back

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:53:15 2020 No.12120786 >>12120747 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNOwPOwJr04 This TV show actually had people walking on Venus, not the most realistic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:53:39 2020 No.12120787 >>12120782 Did you miss the bit about hydrochloric and hydrofluoric acid in the atmosphere?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:54:10 2020 No.12120789 >>12120783 >I don't think Starship can survive Venus entry if it can survive interplanetary Earth entry and interplanetary Mars entry then it can survive Venus entry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:55:02 2020 No.12120793 >>12120787 just take a bath in teflon before you go outside bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:55:47 2020 No.12120797 >>12120787 Just dip your suit in baking soda it will neuter the ph

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:56:28 2020 No.12120798 >>12120793 >>12120797 >Dude just make your engines out of fluor tablets! I see we're back on this level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:57:10 2020 No.12120800 https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1305599375364612097

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:57:22 2020 No.12120801 >>12120789 Then the atmospheric acid eats the ship.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:57:24 2020 No.12120803 >>12120787 ablative toothpaste armor plating

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:57:46 2020 No.12120804 >>12120787 Stainless can handle it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:57:48 2020 No.12120805 >>12120778 Why the fuck don't they chip in and send one of those "engines" on some cheap ass small sat launcher to see if it works or not? Getting tired of this grant grift.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:58:09 2020 No.12120806 >>12120801 not an issue lol, it only need to last until payload deployment also stainless is highly resistant to the conditions in the upper atmosphere of venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:58:58 2020 No.12120809 >>12120804 Venera probes didn't deal too good. Doubt they were made of carbon steel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:59:49 2020 No.12120811 >>12120770 even better, you could find fossils underground

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:59:59 2020 No.12120812 KSP2 having pre-launch mission planning like mechjeb advanced transfer but without having to be in orbit already to see the porkchops and ability to easily calculate gravity assists WHEN?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:00:30 2020 No.12120816 File: 1.69 MB, 1620x2032, Venusballoonoutpost.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what if this but Starship (Venus Atmosphere Explorer)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:00:57 2020 No.12120818 >>12120789 Surviving a much denser atmosphere at the same velocity? Unlikely.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:01:10 2020 No.12120819

>>12120801
Hence the expendable cargo starship, you purposely dump it into the atmosphere after deploying a balloon into the upper atmosphere
It could theoretically land itself, but idk how long it could survive the lower atmosphere of Venus
It's similar to NASAs proposed HAVOC concept, which uses a vehicle similar to starship to deploy a manned airship

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:01:40 2020 No.12120821
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>>12120701
We want to go to the surface though dummy. Even if there is life in the atmosphere, that does not subtract from the fact that Venus' surface is really important and could tell us how it went from a luscious water world to a hell hole with conditions worse than a Calculus II class

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:02:36 2020 No.12120824 >>12120818 denser (and therefore wider) atmospheres make aerobraking easier, not harder, because you have a longer time to brake and can thus stay in the thinner parts of the atmosphere that's why Titan is so good as an aerobraking target

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:02:51 2020 No.12120827 >>12120818 The atmosphere is similar in density to Earth's at higher altitudes lmao, just perform your reentry at 200km instead of 70km like on Earth, the forces will be similar, starship will just need to fall a longer distance as opposed to Earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:04:17 2020 No.12120834 >>12120785 Anon you put something in quotes but I'm pretty sure that is a topic we have all agreed not to bring up. Do not evoke the embarrassment

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:05:20 2020 No.12120842 >>12120834 NEUTRINOS DETECTED FASTER THAN LIGHT EINSTEIN PROVEN WRONG?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:07:32 2020 No.12120850 What books about space related topics would you guys recommend?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:08:01 2020 No.12120854 >OmegA Launch Tower to be demolished as KSC 39B fails to become a multi-user pad https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/09/omega-mlp-ksc-39b-multi-user-pad/ "F"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:09:01 2020 No.12120857 >>12120431 Its the thought that counts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:09:01 2020 No.12120858 >>12120842 Possibly a larger fuck up than SLS lmao. How did it make it through peer-review

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:10:08 2020 No.12120862 >>12120854 >Oldspace boomers are starting to bite the dust S Next in line is Ariane, Boeing, then ULA

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:11:18 2020 No.12120865 >>12120254 I fucking told you fags Artemis was a half assed project. Going to the Moon for an ego flag plant won't accomplish anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:14:29 2020 No.12120874 File: 25 KB, 649x300, mcculloch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:16:34 2020 No.12120877 >>12120874 Sounds like yet another fluke

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:17:50 2020 No.12120881 File: 250 KB, 3840x1080, KSP_x64 2020-09-14 14-10-29.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] EXPENDABLE VENUS FLYBY PROBES

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:20:23 2020 No.12120890 >>12120874 Sounds like Tajmar found something. Spain already had positive results.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:20:39 2020 No.12120891

I have been thinking, and so far SpaceX is basically 10-15 years ahead of its competition, which makes me worry if might corner the “send shit into space” market, becoming a monopoly and screwing over people when Musk is out of the equation.
Is there anyone that can still catch up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:21:21 2020 No.12120894 >>12120891 Musk wants to retire on Mars. That leaves quite a window before he can do that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:22:07 2020 No.12120901 >>12120891 Blue Origin and ULA has all the possibility in the world to catch up if they choose to China will probably catch up with their """"private"""" ventures

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:22:32 2020 No.12120903 >>12120890 Big if true,Tajmar is a legit guy, he debunked an old theory of his a good number of years ago and has always been cautious about claims of emdrives and what not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:23:08 2020 No.12120906 >>12118482 So did rome ect. Capitalism at its current state at least allowes empires to be made and humanity to see some benefit from it. Our job is to make the best of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:23:36 2020 No.12120908 File: 368 KB, 2817x1574, Commonality_DIRECT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DIRECT bros....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:25:18 2020 No.12120916 99% speed of light fusion powered reactionless drives when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:25:39 2020 No.12120919 File: 51 KB, 602x395, main-qimg-ff2682b0d4f49d7f3caa58810ea00cf1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120908 DIRECT CHADS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:26:01 2020 No.12120920 >>12120014 I heard blue cuck are copying elons trashcan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:26:29 2020 No.12120921 >>12120919 need a Sea Dragon for that

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:28:07 2020 No.12120927 >>12120891 There's S7 that has bought Sea Launch and plans to use the Soyuz 5 and 6 rockets on it that are in development. Those rockets may or may not be reusable. So they could compete.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:28:16 2020 No.12120928 >>12120874 so is it possible for two separate labs to both be in error? also how is the thrust measured, is it tested in a vacuum or ?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:29:37 2020 No.12120933

>>12120921
I think that'd work with a Saturn V. The CSM's engine was capable of doing the ascent.

>>12120928
Papers haven't been published yet so we don't know the details of their experimental setup, but IIRC Tajmar is using a substantially different one than Spain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:29:53 2020 No.12120935 >>12120928 you got me. it's all suspect until they raise something's orbit by a shitload. mike does say he's working on a smallsat. Until then,wait and see. Almost certainly it doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:30:58 2020 No.12120938 >>12120935 imagine if for some unknown reason it ends up working even better in a total vacuum lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:31:44 2020 No.12120942 >>12120881 >EXPENDABLE >VENUS This, nuke the shit out of the upper atmosphere. Blow it all off into space.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:32:12 2020 No.12120944 >>12120921 Or the hypergolic Ur-700

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:32:30 2020 No.12120946 >>12120938 If it works it would revolutionize deep space probes and future spaceflight

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:33:35 2020 No.12120952 >>12120938 Imagine if for some reason they would actually test it by launching a payload instead of just grifting on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:33:59 2020 No.12120954 >>12120933 Saturn V couldn't get it all the way to the moon, you'd need the C-8 instead of the C-5

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:34:53 2020 No.12120958 >>12120921 Nah, it was designed to go up on a Nova variant

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:39:14 2020 No.12120972
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>>12120946
Even at current efficiencies, assuming linear scaling, you could replace the ion drive on an Umbrella Ship and putt-putt around the solar system in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:41:47 2020 No.12120982 >>12120972 Actually IIRC the Umbrella Ship has 25MWe to feed into the engines so that's 2.5kN of propellantless thrust... competitive with the plasma magnet sail!

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:43:52 2020 No.12120988

>>12120972
ITs stupid that were not putting 100% all of our efforts into making a solar sail factory in space that can make it with asteroid dust or something, just make the sail retardedly huge and the ship retardedly small. a cube sat with square km sail, bam instant tour of the planets whenever you want

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:45:10 2020 No.12120992 >>12120988 The problem is you want visual data, which means ~100kg probes, which means over 10km^2 sails.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:46:42 2020 No.12120995 File: 1.14 MB, 1000x563, jetsons.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw they figure out how to make flying cars using inertial drives

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:47:54 2020 No.12121000 photon to venus WHEN

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:47:55 2020 No.12120999 >>12120988 esp if PROCSIMA works. You could get useful acceleration for orders of magnitude more distance using a much smaller sail or pusher plate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:48:50 2020 No.12121004 >>12120995 at ~0.15 TWR that's called an airplane. That might be possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:54:01 2020 No.12121021 >>12120999 >PROCSIMA we need to use starship to build a network of propulsion lasers, transportation between planets will become trivial

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:55:10 2020 No.12121024 >>12120785 Would be cool as shit if it's real, but my guess is it's some weird interaction with earth's magnetic field and so it can't be scaled up or used for interplanetary travel. Maybe help keep some sats in orbit forever / perform some maneuvers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:57:17 2020 No.12121036 >>12120999 If PROCSIMA works, the first application needs to be building soliton beam killsats to destroy China and Israel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 17:59:05 2020 No.12121049 File: 66 KB, 580x270, 20203.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121000 2023

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:00:42 2020 No.12121056 >>12121049 hurry up you stupid fucking kiwi shit FUCK

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:07:13 2020 No.12121081 File: 485 KB, 1920x1080, KSP_x64 2020-09-14 15-04-01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HERMAPHRODITE DOCKING RIGHTS

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:07:38 2020 No.12121083
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This lonely virgin who has strong opinions about star trek episodes, who can't go two seconds without mentioning he was in the army like any idiot in the us like if it were something special who tries to act as if having attended college makes him a god even tough literally his only qualification is conning OTHER lonely virgins from their money in youtube IS GETTING LAID, at age 48 but hes getting laid at last, what's your excuse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:08:14 2020 No.12121084 >>12121024 >but my guess is it's some weird interaction with earth's magnetic field I wonder if they ruled that possibility out or not yet, kind hard to do though right now

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:09:32 2020 No.12121087 File: 90 KB, 500x710, 1372349.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121056 no

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:09:56 2020 No.12121089 >>12121083 that fat fuck seems so easily impressionable, i give it 5 year tops before he has to get a second youtube channel to pay her alimony

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:11:54 2020 No.12121100 File: 177 KB, 1080x1451, 1571594791897.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121083 women are bound by gravity. why else didn't they walk on the moon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:12:05 2020 No.12121102 >>12121049 At least its not Astra sending BLM plaque there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:14:31 2020 No.12121110 >>12121084 isn't the fact that it still works with fiber optics proof that it doesn't involve the magnetic field?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:15:13 2020 No.12121115 >>12121102 astra can't even into space, meanwhile chad beck is going to discover life on venus

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:17:49 2020 No.12121124

>>12121110
good point, if the Photon Loop pans out

I wonder then if there's some way then to use light from the sun, with mirrors and shit to generate the assymetry, and if that wouldn't be more effective than optical fiber, but would require testing in space and obviously direct sunlight pointing at the rear of the assembly

Much the same way a solar sail would work but without the sail.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:18:22 2020 No.12121126
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>>12120890
The only thing spain tested positive for was Covid. How come last time an article was pushed out by popularmechanics y'all shot it down, but suddenly this is the real deal? Not trying to be a doomer but I'm waging my bet that it's experimental error in BOTH cases

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:19:06 2020 No.12121127

>>12120800
>>12121049
I almost feel bad for Rocket Lab that they've been planning a mission on their own because Beck felt Venus was underrated, and now major space agencies will want to get in on this with much more substantial missions.
If they make 2023, beat everyone else to the punch, and find life, Rocket Lab will take their place among the greats though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:20:04 2020 No.12121130 >>12121127 >new space race is race for Venus atmosphere sample I like it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:21:04 2020 No.12121133 >>12121049 based as fuck,beck is vindicated

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:21:11 2020 No.12121134 >>12121126 whatdya mean the article I posted ITT https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a33917439/emdrive-wont-die/ is fully skeptical of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:22:03 2020 No.12121137 >>12121100 This. Human like robots with mommy ara ara~ AI are the future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:22:24 2020 No.12121139 >>12121134 Oh... well.... I didn't read the article lmao. My bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:23:22 2020 No.12121141 >>12121134 PM are of the "put in orbit already faggot" camp and I think that's the only good stance. Clock is ticking reactionless bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:24:34 2020 No.12121145 >>12121130 Gay

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:25:45 2020 No.12121149 >>12121145 >human return to moon >robotic return to Venus exciting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:26:36 2020 No.12121153 >>12121149 >Robotic zzz

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:26:40 2020 No.12121154 File: 279 KB, 984x1561, VenusFlybyCutaway.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121149 Manned flyby of Venus WHEN

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:27:11 2020 No.12121159 >>12121127 there is absolutely no way any space agency beats beck to the punch, and i'm sure he wouldn't mind if they did anyway but still imo it's going to be the much-needed shake up that will finally get nasa buying commercial probes in bulk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:30:06 2020 No.12121167 >>12121154 Manned orbiter you mean. Imagine flying all the way to Venus and not even stopping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:30:15 2020 No.12121169 >>12120942 How would nuclear winter interact with venus?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:31:28 2020 No.12121174 >>12121159 If the 2023 window is missed, Davinci/Veritas might have a chance to catch up

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:31:35 2020 No.12121176 >>12121169 It would be cooler wasteland with extreme pressure.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:32:45 2020 No.12121179

>>12120288
I thought about it last week when someone brought up the idea of a wet workshop Starship. Just build it with grid floors inside the tank areas, then after the Starship ends up where you need a station, cut door holes in the bulkheads to open it up. If it's in gravity, drop a ladder into the hole and weld it on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:33:06 2020 No.12121180 >>12120916 Why stop at 99%c if you‘re already throwing physics out of the window?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:34:47 2020 No.12121188 >>12120874 Have they tried putting it on its side and measuring again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:36:15 2020 No.12121196 >>12120805 You answered your own question.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:37:24 2020 No.12121204 >>12121179 but why? what's the point? why waste a fully reusable upper stage worth 12 million in engines alone when you could just use it to lift mass produced space station modules to exactly the same place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:37:42 2020 No.12121206 >>12121179 >wet workshop Starship Reminds me of those proposals for an ET-derived wet workshop. It's a travesty that no one ever tried it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:40:40 2020 No.12121220 >>12120672 It‘s not even physically possible to have a properly protected rover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:41:07 2020 No.12121222 >>12121153 You have neither a soul nor a brain

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:42:34 2020 No.12121230 >>12121167 If I get to take my own harem then I'm in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:42:59 2020 No.12121231 >>12121222 Neither do robots. Nice trips, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:43:48 2020 No.12121235 File: 13 KB, 313x60, K S P.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] imagine a space game without memory leaks lol haha

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:45:14 2020 No.12121244

>>12121154
>>12121167
IIRC the Chinese have it on their timetable. They know they can’t land on Mars yet, and they know American boots will be on Mars by the time they can do an orbital flyby. So instead they’re planning on Venus. Because no one is landing there (duh) and they have the bare minimum tech to launch their shitty not-soyuz docked to a habitation module and slingshot some of their chinks around the planet to try and “impress” the rest of the world (not that anyone gives a shit). Idk if it’s better or worse that life might be there. All these countries will be launching probes there now so that might outdo them; but then again they might get the clout of being the only humans to go there

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:46:16 2020 No.12121248 >>12121231 Fuck, nice comeback desu hahah

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:46:17 2020 No.12121249 >>12120254 Imagine spending 100 billion dollars on a program in order to accomplish the mission of an X-prize startup.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:49:34 2020 No.12121261

>>12120014
Someone needs to make a comic about astronauts flying to the moon in the tiny orion, getting into the smol Gateway and then entering the Starship with several times the pressurized volume of both of those combined only for landing.
The fact that SpaceX has pitchted this is crazy. The fact that Nasa selected it for the first round is even crazier.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:50:03 2020 No.12121264
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>>12121244
Fucking pathetic. Who will have a higher mortality rate from this mission? the chinese villagers, or the innocent venus microbes who will get contaminated by a shitty chinese probe carrying some kungflu strain

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:52:02 2020 No.12121272 >>12121180 You can't break that many laws of physics, the mass of collective cope would destroy the Earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:53:03 2020 No.12121277 File: 102 KB, 543x1000, 7fyS4Q5vEcXKWHWKJqdVkqED8qoQYpZ480i13k9cLDc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why no one found this gas on Venus earlier?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:54:07 2020 No.12121282 If reactionless drive (EM-drive) works, would it allow FTL travel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:54:07 2020 No.12121283 >>12121244 does it only count if the chinknoids make it there alive? because they probably won't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:54:12 2020 No.12121284 >>12121277 It's less than 20 parts per billion in one specific layer of the atmosphere of another planet.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:54:30 2020 No.12121286

>While the shock was still fresh, NASA selected the Mars InSight lander over a well-regarded mission in its less expensive Discovery class that would have landed a boat on Titan, Saturn’s largest moon, to sail its seas of liquid methane.

So how has Insight been doing?

Haven't heard anything from them lately, get that probe in yet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:54:32 2020 No.12121287 >>12121277 No one give shit bout veenus, so no science done there

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:54:41 2020 No.12121289 Can the microbial Venusian super-plague hurry up and end us already?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:55:53 2020 No.12121296 >>12121261 The fact that several of those station modules and all of the resupply cargo capsules will be delivered by Falcon Heavy is crazy too. NASA is cutting oldspace out of Artemis, ship of Theseus style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:56:47 2020 No.12121298 File: 55 KB, 1040x760, EMdrive.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121282 It allows infinite energy, so there's plenty of stuff that could happen...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:57:03 2020 No.12121299 >>12121286 Still attempting to dig.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:57:06 2020 No.12121300 >>12121282 Depends on which theory happens to be correct. If it's quantized inertia, no. If it's an Alcubierre drive like the QED-NE folks think, then maybe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:02:23 2020 No.12121315 >>12121299 sad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:03:01 2020 No.12121319 >>12121298 What's even screwier is that if quantized inertia is real, it should be possible to make 192nm asymmetric cavities that thrust off the quantum vacuum with NO input power.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:04:08 2020 No.12121324 >>12121319 >>12121300 >>12121298 Is this what the US NAVY patents, and the tic-tac spacecraft are all about? Its sort of starting to make sense now desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:05:59 2020 No.12121331 No no no we cannot let this thread approached QI territory. It’s fine to speculate- but let’s take everything with a grin of salt gentlemen

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:08:14 2020 No.12121336 >>12121331 we're past bump limit anyways

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:11:38 2020 No.12121345 >>12121324 A craft using magnetohydrodynamics is more in the realm of possibility than the bullshitdrive tho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:15:12 2020 No.12121350 File: 17 KB, 425x292, 1363341481408.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hay guise... what about... QUANTUM AUTISM

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:17:18 2020 No.12121358 >tfw you forget to account for spending half the orbit behind planet and only put enough solar panels to keep it powered in sunlight again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:19:26 2020 No.12121366 >>12121350 no, autism is a spectrum

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:30:59 2020 No.12121399 >>12118381 That's pretty funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:33:14 2020 No.12121404 File: 93 KB, 709x768, 2tw5g652otc51.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119051 You're only seeing the side of him you want to see. Remember when he was rooting for Andrew Yang?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:35:17 2020 No.12121410

>>12119110
He's like OG Liberal; the good kind. Remember that it's not a coincidence that liberal and liberty sound similar.
It's a shame that so many people that all themselves liberal today are the new gay kind whos politics revolve around being lazy and getting offended by everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:35:30 2020 No.12121411 File: 57 KB, 567x561, 1446975693294.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121366 But maybe it's both a wave AND a particle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:39:16 2020 No.12121424 https://hackaday.com/2020/09/14/floating-spaceports-for-future-rockets/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:41:50 2020 No.12121431 Remember to exercise and not be a fat lazy entitled piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:47:32 2020 No.12121442 >>12121431 but I just ate half of a chicken pot pie

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:51:17 2020 No.12121453 POP???

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:57:06 2020 No.12121471

How do we save planetary science? Musk is a retard who's inspired a bunch of soi-faced chimps into thinking anything he says is relevant, and in part because of this less attention is given to probes that actually do shit. If I were president, I would give NASA a few billion dollars and tell them to set up an outpost on the Moon and use the rest to land probes on everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:58:58 2020 No.12121476 >>12121471 CLIMATE MONITORING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:00:37 2020 No.12121480 >>12121471 >>12121476 S L S

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:02:51 2020 No.12121489 >>12121471 depot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:02:54 2020 No.12121490 >>12121480 Will SLS save probes? I bet they could launch 2-3 long range missions with a lifter like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:16:59 2020 No.12121517 File: 354 KB, 1595x563, interior.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120289 So assuming its based off the Starship interior, would it basically look something like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:17:09 2020 No.12121518 >>12121471 Black Probes Matter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:17:12 2020 No.12121519 >>12121490 no, SLS is eating the probe budget

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:20:39 2020 No.12121526 >>12121517 no, it needs to be 90% fuel tanks with a tiny cabin behind the windows

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:22:23 2020 No.12121531 >>12121526 hmmm? >>12120150

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:29:43 2020 No.12121550 >>12121350 >>12121366 >>12121411 Jesus christ lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:30:11 2020 No.12121552 >>12121531 Everything below that elevator opening is tankage and engines

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:31:36 2020 No.12121555 >>12121517 I need a legend for this. The fuck is yellow?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:32:42 2020 No.12121559 >>12121555 Shelby juice tanks.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:33:39 2020 No.12121562
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>>12121555
Just imagining a craft having way more interior volume than is likely realistically possible, just cause the Shuttle was so cramped so imagine the complete opposite, you wouldn't even need the ISS...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:36:15 2020 No.12121566 >>12121411 I can confirm, autism waves are produced every time I say hello to a girl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:36:43 2020 No.12121569 >>12121566 >interacting with the female species

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:43:07 2020 No.12121578 >>12118381 But its got 20+% more powarh!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:48:10 2020 No.12121598 What idiot approved using RS-25s for the main stage of SLS instead of using F-1s? No need for dangerous SRBs F-1 >>>>>>>>>>RS-25 at sea level

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:49:35 2020 No.12121600 >>12121598 They are required by law to use all the old RS-25s. The real mistake was not adapting them for vacuum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:49:49 2020 No.12121602 1 hour + 10 mins till they start their road closures for SN 7.1 test.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:52:50 2020 No.12121613 File: 68 KB, 500x500, LOGO-BLANCO-NEGRO-7c34254330f4ddcc4e8dcef03cf127761440445390.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121602 What happens to the popped test tanks. Is there like a graveyard?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:54:57 2020 No.12121615

>>12120466
I've been thinking about this. The typical answer to "why not just build more Saturn V's" is that the infrastructure to do so doesn't exist anymore. But we have several unused Saturn V's lying around. Why doesn't NASA just fuel them up and launch them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:56:10 2020 No.12121618 File: 88 KB, 640x428, 20160929_GalacticTickDay_Tonyan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121566 It is spergs like you anon that will help us conquer the stars

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:00:31 2020 No.12121630 File: 364 KB, 500x212, hackers_computer.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121566 You dare to establish comms with the banshee??? Are you mad?!?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:05:52 2020 No.12121643

Hi sfg, /biz/ here. This article came out today and I was wondering if you could clarify for me. I'm assuming Bitmex didn't send up their own sat, but instead are renting bandwidth off and existing sat? is that a correct assumtion? also is this something anyone can do?

https://cryptopotato.com/bitcoin-from-space-bitmex-installs-blockstreams-btc-satellite-node/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:11:03 2020 No.12121662 >>12121643 Fuck off dumb nigger scam sites.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:12:26 2020 No.12121670
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>>12121643
Bitmex bought a satellite groundstation kit from Blockstream. Blockstream in turn rents time on a bunch of major comm sats.

https://blockstream.com/satellite/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:17:50 2020 No.12121689 Chinklaunch incoming.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:18:03 2020 No.12121690

>>12121552
That's why I (not who you replied to) suggested this >>12121179
It would be the least intrusive and most useful thing you could do and have the fuel tanks still work normally. Furniture goes up stowed in the higher decks, then when the tanks are cut open you bring it down and install it.
>>12121615
>that the infrastructure to do so doesn't exist anymore
The infrastructure to test that shit doesn't exist anymore either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:18:32 2020 No.12121692 >>12121643 Just buy high sell low and whenever it's looking bad just HODL. You'll make it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:19:11 2020 No.12121694 >>12121643 >buttcoins >blockstreams Is any fuel depot transfer involved in this? Are any space ships docking ass-to-ass?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:23:48 2020 No.12121707 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M test tonight

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:24:51 2020 No.12121713 >>12121670 Thank you. >>12121694 >>12121692 >>12121662 Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:29:34 2020 No.12121734 File: 284 KB, 500x500, 1374284539752.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121713 >crossboarder coming to be spoon-fed >with an attitude

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:31:13 2020 No.12121741 File: 355 KB, 2048x1536, space_4_SNs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck boeing? Fuck boeing Fuck boeing fuck bo-

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:33:45 2020 No.12121753 >>12121741 They don't have enough room. Launch this shit already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:34:15 2020 No.12121755 >>12121741 rocket hop quartet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:37:38 2020 No.12121768 road closed

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:38:57 2020 No.12121771 >>12121643 Cryptoniggers are the lowest form of human on Earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:39:39 2020 No.12121776 >>12121771 >he didnt buy earthcoin ngmi

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:43:45 2020 No.12121797 waterfall configs for ROengines complete or a new mission making it to venus which is gonna happen first bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:44:21 2020 No.12121800 >>12119925 No shit? How many raptors for the hop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:44:32 2020 No.12121801 File: 959 KB, 1000x564, earth-chan not flat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12121797 >waterfall configs for ROengines I'm 4.8 billion years old and what is this?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:55:06 2020 No.12121846

https://www.space.com/mars-astronauts-venus-flyby-idea.html
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/a_sustained_lunar_presence_nspc_report4220final.pdf
>The concept of operations NASA is working toward for the first human mission to Mars is therefore one that reduces trip time significantly and minimizes timespent on the surface to around 30-45 days.

>yfw the first ever human Mars mission includes the first ever Venus flyby, mogging China in the process

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:57:26 2020 No.12121854 Roads closed now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:58:48 2020 No.12121859 File: 478 KB, 2000x1200, gUdf9XSBgTaeVdpCpKaSuB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.space.com/space-shuttle-endeavour-rocket-boosters-california-museum-delivery.html >they're actually doing it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:59:12 2020 No.12121860 >>12120938 >>12120946 >>12120952 Critics would just say its still interacting with the magnetosphere somehow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:59:31 2020 No.12121861 >>12121768 >>12121854 Why

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:59:58 2020 No.12121865 >>12121860 that can be disproven if an EmDrive makes it all the way to the Moon and back, Earths Magnetosphere doesn't reach that far

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:59:59 2020 No.12121866
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>>12121801
https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/196309-wip-waterfall-a-framework-for-continuous-mesh-driven-engine-effects-sept-11/
It's still in development and needs configs to be made for all the engines, but we can finally have engine effects in ksp that don't look like dogshit and require 10 billion sprites being rendered every frame

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:01:25 2020 No.12121869 >>12121860 >>12121865 Even without that, the "photon loop" variant is literally just dumping laser energy into optical fiber looped thousands of times around a cavity. If THAT interacts significantly with the magnetic field we've got bigger problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:03:57 2020 No.12121873 >>12121869 Well then lets hope its QI

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:04:34 2020 No.12121875 >>12121331 Oh you better believe I'm grinning. :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:05:12 2020 No.12121877 >>12121741 Starship will be keep on orbit after each mission.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:06:00 2020 No.12121879 >>12121859 what

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:08:48 2020 No.12121888 >>12121879 >Endeavour will be the only vertical display and second full stack exhibit of a space shuttle,

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:11:54 2020 No.12121899 >>12121859 imagine the smell

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:12:46 2020 No.12121902 >>12121899 >"What does this button do?" >FWOOOSH >"That's the hypergolic orbital maneuvering thrusters."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:15:37 2020 No.12121908 >>12121866 I have gorillion part mods so Waterfall will never work for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:17:52 2020 No.12121918 https://californiasciencecenter.org/science-beyond-the-center/airspace/inside-endeavour-tour-2 jesus the plumbing and wiring its insane

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:19:56 2020 No.12121927 >>12121908 eventually they will probably all have waterfall configs like everything has realplume configs right now, just have to wait for someone to get around to making them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:26:28 2020 No.12121947 >>12121927 Does it overwrite things like realplume as configs are added or would I need to wait until everything is FINALLY supported to make the switch?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:30:50 2020 No.12121962 https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1305628680052498434?s=20 it's alive!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:33:57 2020 No.12121968 >>12121962 inb4 hurricane

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:34:03 2020 No.12121969
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>>12121918
>oh yeah ha ha there were supposed to be three RS-25s here
>but we pulled them out so we could fly them on SLS and drop them in the fucking ocean
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:37:28 2020 No.12121981 Pads clear

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:37:54 2020 No.12121983 >>12121969 its fine you got replica engines better one final use than a museum display exhibit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:40:22 2020 No.12121996 >>12121404 Ubi is good for the folk

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:40:27 2020 No.12121997 >>12121968 It's only a cat-1 bitch hurricane, we southchads get hit by worse thunderstorms on the regular.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:41:42 2020 No.12122002

>>12121997
>We’re keeping an eye on Tropical Storms Marco and Laura. @NASAStennis Engineers have paused Green Run testing for the @NASA_SLS rocket and secured the core stage and B-2 test stand until the storms have passed & the team can safely resume work on-site.

Seems like they do this for every storm...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:44:30 2020 No.12122017 >>12121997 it's a cat 2 already and will remain near shore for the next couple days, allowing for flooding and more strengthening

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:45:21 2020 No.12122019 >>12122017 We'll just shoot guns at it until it gets scared and goes away.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:46:34 2020 No.12122024 File: 66 KB, 598x441, Screenshot_2020-09-14 Elon Musk on Twitter.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HOP SOON

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:48:03 2020 No.12122033 >>12121983 I fucking hate people like you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:58:02 2020 No.12122067 >>12121983 At least one fully intact and functional engine should be retained for posterity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:58:38 2020 No.12122075 >>12122067 sure once you recover it from the sea :^ )

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:03:57 2020 No.12122094 File: 14 KB, 225x225, flatearthlogic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] somebody used this on /pol/ unironically to prove rockets cant work

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:04:58 2020 No.12122096 >>12122094 he's right though

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:09:39 2020 No.12122110 >>12122094 3) rockets would explode upon hitting the dome

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:11:16 2020 No.12122116 >>12122096 No he isn’t. The oxygen is in the rocket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:17:44 2020 No.12122135 >>12122116 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:20:38 2020 No.12122144 >>12122135 >retard Retard. All chemical rockets carry oxidizer inside

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:24:37 2020 No.12122159 >>12122144 That doesn't make enough jobs. To increase number of jobs, we're making human powered turbopumps in rocket engines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:25:22 2020 No.12122162 >>12122116 >>12122144 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:32:01 2020 No.12122183 >>12121562 Lmao I like this idea but you only have enough fuel to raise your orbit by like, a kilometer hahah. Realistically half that thing would need to be engiens/fuel tanks (or more than half)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:36:34 2020 No.12122202 >>12122183 a note: it's portrayed stacked on top of a Super Heavy esque launch vehicle in order for that to make sense, it's going to need 6 or 7 km/s dv, and thus be mostly tanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:37:37 2020 No.12122207 I love hydrolox!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:39:42 2020 No.12122215 >>12122094 / >>12122096 >>12122207 Opposite sides of the spectrum, but same retarded energy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:45:50 2020 No.12122234 File: 110 KB, 1920x1080, KSP_x64 2020-09-14 20-44-54.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey bros did someone order some sunflare?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:46:45 2020 No.12122238 File: 231 KB, 850x728, 1598123326395.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Block 5 Falcon 9s as SLS advanced liquid boosters with RTLS reuse and rapid turnaround

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:55:38 2020 No.12122260 >>12121859 Awesome. I'm glad they're stacking at least one vertically. The full-scale replica Saturn V in Huntsville is a lot more impressive than the side-leaning displays.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:11:30 2020 No.12122301 File: 138 KB, 960x636, TM6445546465.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12122094 To be fair /sfg/ used to have a shitposter making similar posts a few months back; might be the same guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:12:16 2020 No.12122302 >>12122301 maybe it's the same guy who posted that image so people would talk about it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:41:29 2020 No.12122358 >>12122238 Too small. The SRBs have crap delta V but a ton of thrust. SLS LRBs would be F-1B based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:56:11 2020 No.12122377 >>12118902 >MethaFlo Pentaborane-ClF3 FFSC engines when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:57:30 2020 No.12122380 ozone slush oxidizer WHEN?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:08:47 2020 No.12122409 >>12121962 It's over.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:10:16 2020 No.12122410

>>12119823
If we terraformed Venus, assuming we also pelted it with enough water ice to form oceans as big as in that map, the hydrological cycle would rapidly carve new rivers along natural topography everywhere with any significant rainfall. Even one centimeter of rainfall adds up to a trillion liters if rained down across an area of land just a bit bigger than a square 316x316 kilometers in area. Watersheds with larger land area or greater annual rainfall or both would have extremely huge amounts of water discharging off of their lowest points into the oceans, which would rapidly erode massive channels and entire rivers into the landscape.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:14:46 2020 No.12122413 >>12119763 >terraformed Venus would be a warm planet full of islands and extended coastlines... a tropical beach planet Screw Mars, I want a private Venusian island for my family.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:23:21 2020 No.12122424

>>12119940
Nope. X-33's development program showed us that.
For Venture Star to work, it needed to have tanks lighter than what were possible to construct out of AL-Li alloy. Designers had therefore chosen carbon fiber composites as their tank construction material because of the mass reductions that were possible given a naive estimate. While trying to actually construct those tanks however it was realized that rather than offering the breakthrough in mass reduction required for Venture Star to achieve the minimum mass ratio necessary to achieve orbit, the CFC tanks were actually heavier than what could be built using AL-Li, because of the complex joinery and reinforcements required. Note that this doesn't mean that the AL-Li tanks could have done the job; They would still be too heavy, it's simply that the CFC tanks turned out to be even WORSE. A total failure in design.
Another glaring problem staring down the Venture Star was the fact that its main engines were fantastical. The Venture Star's main engines were, on paper, amazing; they would have had very high thrust AND thrust to mass ratio for a hydrolox engine, as well as being very highly efficient, in fact the most efficient chemical rocket engine to ever fire at sea level (apart from a few experimental, highly impractical tri-propellant test engines). The reality however was ugly; the X-33's main engine, which again was meant to extoll the advantages of an aerospike engine, was actually overweight, underperforming, and not very efficient. Once again, it turned out after all that development, that the old tech (the RS-25 engine with a partially-vacuum-optimized nozzle) would have probably out performed the real version of the magic ideal aerospike engine that Venture Star required (though, like the Al-Li tanks, still would not have been good enough).
Literally the only technology of worth to come from the entire Venture Star/X-33 program were the metallic TPS tile advancements. They didn't upgrade Shuttle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:40:44 2020 No.12122466 >>12122024 This confirms my hunch that they plan on fragging Sn8 through Sn12 or Sn14 perfecting the belly flop and hoverslam landing.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:41:18 2020 No.12122470

>>12121598
IIRC some competing proposal for a super heavy lift launch vehicle had modernized F-1 engines on a big ass first stage and a redesigned vacuum optimized RS-25-type engine on a big hydrolox second stage, basically Saturn Five Two (and maybe it had an efficient but low thrust hydrolox third stage for beyond LEO missions, too, but I forget).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:41:49 2020 No.12122472 File: 12 KB, 225x225, 225px-Pluto_in_True_Color_-_High-Res.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Post comfy planets

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:46:05 2020 No.12122480 >>12122472 Not a planet fuck you Dwarf planets are cooler than planets

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:46:43 2020 No.12122485

>>12122470
>IIRC some competing proposal for a super heavy lift launch vehicle had modernized F-1 engines on a big ass first stage and a redesigned vacuum optimized RS-25-type engine on a big hydrolox second stage, basically Saturn Five Two (and maybe it had an efficient but low thrust hydrolox third stage for beyond LEO missions, too, but I forget).
lol just make the second stage tank bigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:51:44 2020 No.12122496 Page 10

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:53:18 2020 No.12122501 >>12122500 nu thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:58:42 2020 No.12122519 >>12121244 THey'll probably try and eat alien bacteria.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:01:42 2020 No.12122529 >>12121741 Why is he hoarding so much grain? Are electric cars going to cause a famine?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:07:45 2020 No.12122544

>>12122470
Yes, “an F-1 engine designed with modern technology and simplified featuring greater output”. I had heard about this a while ago and forgot. Some anon brought it up a few days ago and the whole thread went apeshit because we were already mad at SLS and it collectively pushed us over the edge

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:18:36 2020 No.12122565 >>12122544 At least F1s are cool. The only cool thing about the STS was the plane strapped to it and they too that out.

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