/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.12110481]

Astra 3.1 fucking exploded edition

previous >>12107439

[Anonymous No.12110486]

>misses out on DARPA contest window
>BLM cuckery
>blows up rocket
>probably gonna go bankrupt soon because lolsmallsatlaunchmarket

OOF

[Anonymous No.12110487]

>>12110481
AHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Anonymous No.12110488]

>>12110487
1+1=2

[Anonymous No.12110491]

>>12110487
Good luck getting NASA contracts by going full political

[Anonymous No.12110493]

>>12110465
is that how americans sound in real life?

[Anonymous No.12110496]

>>12110493
Post country

[Anonymous No.12110498]

>>12110496
i'm polish btw

[Anonymous No.12110501]

>>12110493
all_gas_no_brakes_rocket_launch.mp4

[Anonymous No.12110508]

>>12110493
God, women are fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.12110511]

>>12110493
Nothing else to do in Alaska

[Anonymous No.12110512]

>>12110493
That's what normies sound like

[Anonymous No.12110527]

Zero for two now. Not a great situation to be in. Do we know what their funding situation is?

[Anonymous No.12110537]

>>12110508
but you have to put up with it to gain access to the vagene

[Anonymous No.12110539]

>>12110527
They’re betting on money from BLM

[Anonymous No.12110542]

>>12110493
Women, yes, a lot of them are like this.

[Anonymous No.12110550]

Just a reminder in case you forgot.

[Anonymous No.12110554]

why didn't it explode in the air? don't they have a self-destruct protocol?

[Anonymous No.12110558]

>>12110554
The computer probably told the engine to shut down once it went of course. Probably better to let it fall in one piece than rain down gas and debris. It probably would self destruct if it was more down range

[Anonymous No.12110559]

>>12110537
Just pay a whore and you don't have to put up with anything.

[Anonymous No.12110560]

>>12110550
>2 billions per launch
Realistically Starship will probably fit somewhere between 10-40 million per launch, which still ends SLS

[Anonymous No.12110562]

>>12110550
SLS employs Americans from all fifty states.

[Anonymous No.12110573]

>>12110560
>end SLS
never underestimate the power of boomer economics

[Anonymous No.12110586]

A Chinese launch has occurred an hour. KZ-1A from Jiuquan. It launched a commercial Earth observation sat. There's been no information other than it did launch.

[Anonymous No.12110596]

>>12110493
what's wrong with it? she sounds cute.

[Anonymous No.12110603]

Reminder that the Chinese are continuing to operate on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.12110611]

>>12110603
have they drawn any moon penises

[Anonymous No.12110612]

>>12110603
On the far side of the Moon as well, which requires relays. No other mission has ever landed there

[Anonymous No.12110616]

>>12110603
I hope their country collapses.

[Anonymous No.12110647]

>>12110487
Fuck Astra, glad their shit blew up.

[Anonymous No.12110659]

any of you guys got young kids? trying to find space/engineering/science related toys for tots but there seems to be fuck all beyond some gay af plushy rockets and lego.

[Anonymous No.12110660]

20km hop October 11th its happening
https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp-SpaceX/1401-EX-ST-2020

[Anonymous No.12110670]

>>12110562
What's the point if they don't get anything done? May as well just give them UBI.

[Anonymous No.12110671]

>>12110670
B..b..but what if they start building rockets for IRAN!!!!!!!????!?!?

[Anonymous No.12110673]

>>12110659
Are there caterpillars in your area? Get a fine mesh wire cage and catch some next spring. My mom did that with my sister and I, watching the caterpillars metamorphose into butterflies and then releasing them in the back yard. Both my sister and I went into STEM.

[Anonymous No.12110675]

Today is literally the 1st time I have EVER heard of Astra. Who the fuck are they? I don't know why I care though they won't be a company in 2 years

[Anonymous No.12110676]

>>12110659

[Anonymous No.12110678]

>>12110671
senator, those AMERICAN jobs could thrive in a commercial market place. we should be encouraging more commercial space programs not less. think of it like gm and ford. both purely AMERICAN companies, both suckling at the tax payers teat when needed.

[Anonymous No.12110679]

>>12110671
That's not the risk. The risk is that certain incumbent politicians get voted out of office for no longer bringing home pork/jobs.

[Anonymous No.12110681]

>>12110676
Ariane Hermes?

[Anonymous No.12110683]

>>12110675
Aren't they the ones that keep aborting?

[Anonymous No.12110686]

>>12110683
theres so many oldspace shit companies that constantly abort and scrub im having trouble remembering who is who. Maybe I should make a folder for them all or something

[Anonymous No.12110692]

>>12110675
They built a small rocket to compete for a DARPA grant for fast setup and deploy rockets... but haven't made orbit over a year later. They're a giant meme for launching to polar/SSO inclination from Alaska, repeated scrubs and explosions, and now BLM shit.

[Anonymous No.12110695]

>>12110676
>6+
he's 14 months. would have hoped by 6 i could have him in the workshop building working hobby rockets and gokarts. maybe i'm expecting too much.

[Anonymous No.12110699]

>>12110695
you're expecting too much from a 1 year old, anon
filling his life with the symbols of space won't help him be good at space

[Anonymous No.12110700]

>>12110692
also they missed the darpa grant deadline so are freewheeling. expect bankruptcy within 6 months.

[Anonymous No.12110704]

>>12110699
Getting him toy dinosaurs and feeding that obsession when it pops up might help though. Dinosaurs are an excellent gateway to science for little boys.

[Anonymous No.12110705]

>>12110487
Miss me with that gay shit. I know for a fact blue origin is going all in with that too. If the first starship had a huge BLACK LIVES MATTER livery on it i’m giving up and only following russian launches. They don’t give a fuck about virtue signaling

[Anonymous No.12110713]

>>12110705
Starship will not be painted for the same reason orangetankbad wasn't - at those surface areas it's a useless drain on payload capacity. The only black surface on Starship will be the thermal tiles, and nobody's going to mess with those for fear of loss-of-mission.

[Anonymous No.12110714]

So who are the players in the space business right now? have Boeing or BO actually done anything? Have dynetics started work on their lander?

[Anonymous No.12110715]

>>12110699
eh. at 32 i'm on the cusp of being too old and family committed to ever get to realistically thinking 'yea we could go to mars' in the same way people left europe for the new world. but he's young enough that by the time he's my age it could be possible. just want to sow the seed and not have a tranny son who spends his free time dancing on chinese apps desu.

[Anonymous No.12110718]

>>12110705
blm is a corporate fad and twitter will have moved on before that

[Anonymous No.12110722]

>>12110704
I didn’t watch jurassic park until high school and i’m a geology major now lmao. Also never had a rock collection... it seems everyone else and their father did though? Idk. What got me into space as a kid was a stockpile of really good books with pictures. That and johnson space center wasn’t too far from my home so it fed my love for airplanes and spaceflight. Best thing for a kid is some legos, it’s a gateway to more niche things like airplanes and rockets and autism

[Anonymous No.12110729]

>>12110695
Yea that's a bit young to expect much. A plush rocket or astronaut or something is probably about as good as you're gonna get.

[Anonymous No.12110731]

>>12110729
making sure he can put the round peg in the round hole is a good idea too

[Anonymous No.12110733]

>>12110714
>So who are the players in the space business right now?
SpaceX and ULA. Nobody else has a big rocket that works.
>have Boeing or BO actually done anything?
Boing! has done literally nothing right in space since the start of Starliner. BO has made some good engines. Beating out AR for Vulcan's engine contract is legit.
>Have dynetics started work on their lander?
Moon bunny goes hop hop. Seriously I don't know.

[Anonymous No.12110738]

>>12110733
HOP

[Anonymous No.12110742]

Not including extra testing and shit, does a Starliner capsule run about the same cost as a Dragon? Or is there a big difference between the two

[Anonymous No.12110744]

>>12110733
bo surely must be up to something beyond be4. bezos can't be that much of a dickhead, right?

[Anonymous No.12110747]

>>12110744
Yeah they’re most likely testing stuff and building models and whatnot. Just because they aren’t doing something out in a field doesn’t mean they are taking coffee breaks all day (at least i would think). As some other anon said: dynetics is supposed to land on the Moon soon and we know jack shit about what they’re up to.

Then again... bezos has an infinite wallet and it might very well be the case that they have BE-4 and nothing else

[Anonymous No.12110754]

>>12110714
at this point Rocket Lab is the only smallsat launcher with even a chance of survival past the next couple of years, and even then that's more because they're trying to move away from being a launch company. Don't know if that counts as being a 'player' but they should still be around for at least a few years.

[Anonymous No.12110759]

The entire existing space industry only exists at the pleasure of Bezos. He is so rich that he can literally just give launches away when he gets New glenn working. He could give companies that agree to avoid starlink and use project kuiper insane deals with amazon. He could literally murder SpaceX and poach all of their engineers-if he thinks it's worth burning few tens of billions of dollars and pissing a lot of people off in the midst of all the anti-trust talk.

[Anonymous No.12110760]

>>12110759
>when he gets New glenn working

[Anonymous No.12110761]

>>12110659
Take him to an air show when he's about 4 or 5.

[Anonymous No.12110764]

>>12110747
last i heard they're building ali tanks the old space way. i think the best we can hope from them is ula 2.0. i hope i'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.12110769]

>>12110759
>how to have yourself hauled into an antitrust litigation

[Anonymous No.12110770]

>>12110760
New Shephard may be a toy,but it does work. New Glenn will fly.

[Anonymous No.12110776]

>>12110769
How's that going? So far it seems like they're throwing future lobbying jobs at people and suddenly positions are changing.

US politics is utterly corrupt. They're not getting broken up,it's a joke.

[Anonymous No.12110780]

>>12110769
sorry, missed the last bit. it won't happen simply because spacex will be so far ahead. he can sell launches for free and it still wouldn't compete with the capability of ss. the industry will move beyond throwing shit into leo and bo having nothing on spacex in that regard.

[Anonymous No.12110784]

>>12110759
>He could give companies that agree to avoid starlink and use project kuiper insane deals with amazon.
The first customer of Kuiper will be Amazon. Kuiper uplink on a warehouse next to a rural airport? Instant fulfillment center.
Kuiper uplink on an office building with a pile of thin clients? Instant branch office. Amazon executives have gone on record as wanting to reach "the next billion people" as customers, and that means network access and delivery extending deeper into the third world where "just run fiber lol" is not an option for legal, political, or physical safety reasons.

>>12110764
As of six months ago they were doing ULA style milling and stir-welding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avg0XZU2OBo

[Anonymous No.12110810]

>>12110714
>Have dynetics started work on their lander
No idea if they’ve built hardware yet, but it’s by far the most practical design of the 3. On top of that, the structure lends itself to easy modification for carrying different types of payloads. Having everything on ground level also makes delivery of heavier hardware like rovers and habs much simpler.

[Anonymous No.12110822]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc18Sjz2-Rg

I know it had serious issues...but I still miss it.

[Anonymous No.12110825]

>>12110822
Same. It's the only space SHIP that's ever done real work, rather than some pissant little capsule. I look forward to Starship finally surpassing it.

[Anonymous No.12110832]

>>12110825
>Agena-Gemini

[Anonymous No.12110838]

Man whoever cancelled the Saturn 5 is a total faggot, that thing was a beast. Look at what we did with it-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLbxhNeSkw8

That was sent up in ONE LAUNCH!

[Anonymous No.12110839]

>>12110759
I will unironically apply to be a spacex ninja sniper if it helps the cause

[Anonymous No.12110844]

>>12110838
I think there just wasn’t a need for it anymore. Public interest in apollo dropped after apollo 11; lots of americans didn’t even know we went back after neil said his first words and left. The only reason skylab and apollo-soyuz happened was because they had extra rockets lying around

[Anonymous No.12110845]

>>12110838
>Man whoever cancelled the Saturn 5 is a total faggot
Congress and Richard Nixon, so yes.

[Anonymous No.12110854]

>>12110844
It hurts my soul anon....we've wasted so much time. I worry that the polarization and increasing rot in global societies will consume the earth and we will die as a species with a whimper,torn apart inches from a shining potential future. I don't want to spend my twilight years eating rats and crying myself to sleep at what could have been.

[Anonymous No.12110863]

>>12110854
I wonder what percent of the population really cares about space. It has to be pretty low, like 50% are interested and less than 5% actively follow it. Fucking shame.

[Anonymous No.12110880]

>>12110670
>Oh, Anon, you're so wrong. Let me explain. The space industry which you so nobly serve, comes from economics, jobs, votes. Take this space launch mandate. Here it is, economic, scientific.. boring. But if it is spread across the 50 states. Look at all these little contractors. So busy now. Notice how each one is useful. A lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color. Now, think about all those people that created those rocket parts. Technicians, engineers, hundreds of voting people who'll be able to feed their children tonight so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny weeny voting children of their own, and so on and so forth. Thus, adding to the great chain... of life. You see, Anon, by creating a little cost, I'm actually encouraging life. In reality, Musk and I are in the same business.

[Anonymous No.12110893]

>>12110854
And what can you do about it? Nothing. So change what you can. Be optimistic. Spread the word. Keep the flame alive. Don't let them win.

[Anonymous No.12110899]

>>12110893
Spirit of von braun

[Anonymous No.12110908]

>>12110491
NASA themselves are on that train. It's probably prerequisite.

[Anonymous No.12110919]

I gotta drop my hot take while everyone is asleep: I think starliner looks really cool and it’s a shame it fucked up on its maiden voyage. Yeah boeing deserved it blah blah blah, but it’s such a nice looking vehicle. It didn’t even look ugly after it’s fiery reentry. Compare it to something like Orel, Russia’s new piece of shit

[Anonymous No.12110923]

>>12110919
yeah but skirts are gay

[Anonymous No.12110924]

>>12110919
I like the airbags.

[Anonymous No.12110925]

>>12110491
But then you can cry on media that you lost contract because nasa was full of right wing nazis.

[Anonymous No.12110930]

>>12110919
I know they are meant for different purposes, but I really hope Orion doesn’t have any problems. I always want to root for lockheed. Also I would love to see a Dragon, a Starliner, and an Orion next to eachother in a museum. Sierra Nevada can come too I guess.

[Anonymous No.12110934]

>>12110925
patriots, anon

[Anonymous No.12110938]

>>12110930
>Also I would love to see a Dragon, a Starliner, and an Orion next to eachother in a museum. Sierra Nevada can come too I guess.
I'd like to see all four docked at the ISS together.
>and a Shuttle too while I'm wishing for things that will never happen

[Anonymous No.12110946]

>>12110938
Is orion even going to the ISS? Eh whatever I get your point. By the time starliner makes it to the station dragon might be phased out already lmao. And god knows what’s going to happen to sierra nevada at this point. I think they’re launching a space force “station” (i.e. a square meter hub that cubesats can rendezvous with). It’s all so fucked

[Anonymous No.12110948]

>>12110946
The "station" is just the trunk from a cargo Dreamchaser lel.

[Anonymous No.12110953]

>>12110948
The absolute state of spaceflight. Where does a hypothetical crewed dreamchaser fall in terms of capabilities? I assume better then capsules. Is landing on a runway just as easy as capsule parachute reentry (we have way better heat tiles now, the thing launches on top of the booster so no gay foam strikes, and capsules such as starliner can have parachute problems). Am I missing something or did dreamchaser not get chosen only because they had to give boeing their obligatory bid

[Anonymous No.12110954]

>>12110953
I think it was pretty much because "lol Boeing." Runway landing beats splashdown any time if you can pull it off.

[Anonymous No.12110955]

>ULA drops ACES
https://spacenews.com/ula-studying-long-term-upgrades-to-vulcan

Old Space is digging its grave

[Anonymous No.12110956]

>>12110953
>hypothetical crewed dreamchaser fall in terms of capabilities
it's like a shuttle but worse except it lands on a runway and has a gentler reentry
it'd be cool if it had an integral service module and didn't drop anything on-orbit but they've even ditched that and have an expendable trunk/service module

[Anonymous No.12110960]

>>12110956
>it'd be cool if it had an integral service module and didn't drop anything on-orbit but they've even ditched that and have an expendable trunk/service module
That's really the only thing I dislike.

[Anonymous No.12110967]

>>12110955
>Peller described ACES as a concept that ULA is no longer actively pursuing. “We did a lot of studies, we invested in a lot of technology development to assess the feasibility of some of the innovative features of ACES,” he said. “That has served us well, because a lot of that original ACES work has its fingerprints in our new version of Centaur, the Centaur 5 we’re fielding with Vulcan.”

[Anonymous No.12110970]

>>12110955
Hahaha fuck ULA. Musk was right about them being a waste of taxpayer money.

[Anonymous No.12110971]

>>12110955
>Here Elon, just take our market will you?
Vulcan isn't even done and it's already dead. It's nothing but a drop in replacement for the fucking Atlas only with AMERICAN MADE ENGINES that don't even work yet.

[Anonymous No.12110973]

VENUSIAN
MICROBE
SAMPLE
RETURNS

[Anonymous No.12110976]

>>12110955
they've taken all the important shit off of ACES and moved it to Vulcan-Centaur
the only thing this means is that there's no in-space refueling and no sun-shade and no cryo-cooler, but all of the upgrades they need to add all of those things will be ready

[Anonymous No.12110984]

>>12110973
FLOATING HELIUM
BLIMP OF FREEDOM

[Anonymous No.12110993]

>>12110971
it's actually much bigger than Atlas V, it's a replacement for the Delta IV Heavy that is as cheap or cheaper than Atlas V

[Anonymous No.12110998]

>>12110993
Payload capacity is roughly the same as Atlas V.

[Anonymous No.12111001]

posting some pics from a 90s space book To try and contribute to my favorite general

[Anonymous No.12111013]

OLDSPACE
COPE
POWERED
SUPERLUMINAL
DRIVE

[Anonymous No.12111024]

>>12111013
POWERED BY PAPERCLIP ENGINEERS SPINNING IN THEIR GRAVES

[Anonymous No.12111029]

>>12111001

[Anonymous No.12111032]

is it time for Blue Origin to do anything at all boys?
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1304193733806772226
(the answer is no)

[Anonymous No.12111033]

Sorry for image quality

[Anonymous No.12111044]

>>12110659
Build model rockets with her.

[Anonymous No.12111046]

>>12111001
>not the GOAT space book
bro...

[Anonymous No.12111047]

Lol rotorockets were the next new thing when this book came out

[Anonymous No.12111049]

>>12111046

[Anonymous No.12111050]

>>12110659
Bedtime stories from Rocket Propulsion Elements, ninth edition.
It's up to you to make it interesting.

[Anonymous No.12111052]

>>12111050
basёd

[Anonymous No.12111054]

>>12110493
After a lifetime spent cooming, I've come to mentally associate that voice as "the porn accent". I now cannot listen to any American speaking with that accent without immediately thinking about ass and tits.

>mfw

[Anonymous No.12111068]

>>12111049
look at that lil niggy go

[Anonymous No.12111070]

>>12111049
wheeeeee

[Anonymous No.12111078]

I have a passing thought. Somebody said something about turning the Sahara into a lush forest, well if we could desalinate water and import it there and create an ecosystem, that wouldn’t be impossible. Maybe it would reduce sea level as well... If we could shoot the nuclear waste into space or a storage facility on mars or something, as well.

https://www.amtaorg.com/wp-content/uploads/07_Membrane_Desalination_Power_Usage_Put_In_Perspective.pdf

[Anonymous No.12111080]

>>12110863
It will go up as soon as some real accomplishments are made, to maximize public support the narrative should be about technological and scientific fallout.
Reminder, if you want people to support space exploration don't feed the narrative about how the wealth could be spent elsewhere by arguing that you prefer sucking musky dick rather than have a healthy population, rather, talk about progress that benefit everyone or deflect by mentioning the military budget.

[Anonymous No.12111082]

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2020.2244
bros....it's coming.....

[Anonymous No.12111084]

>>12110481
>>12110487
MADE FOR BBC (BICG BLACK COCK)

[Anonymous No.12111087]

>>12111084
https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/TE_1450_web.pdf

[Anonymous No.12111090]

astroarchaeology when bros?

[Anonymous No.12111091]

Guys can I really say something important... in order to have a globally competitive energy market we need to deregulate to some extent and allow for competition between technologies. Not everyone requires the same solution but to keep an open mind. At the same time I ask we understand the power of collaboration and trade in creating international energy markets that are sustainable.

[Anonymous No.12111099]

>>12111090
When our civilization dies and the next one discover what we left on the moon and on mars.

[Anonymous No.12111103]

>>12111078
it would also kill the amazon

[Anonymous No.12111107]

>>12111091
>spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12111110]

>>12111082
d e p o t

[Anonymous No.12111112]

John Carmack should make comeback with Armadillo.

[Anonymous No.12111121]

Ass to ass.

[Anonymous No.12111135]

>>12110560
>Realistically Starship will probably fit somewhere between 10-40 million per launch
Seeing Falcon 9 with much less reuse friendly engines, lower launch cadence, and zero second stage reusability costing 28 million per launch, I think 2 million per launch by starship is doable by the early 2030s (when its launch cadence gets super high). I could see it reaching 10 million per launch by the mid 2020s easily though.

[Anonymous No.12111139]

>>12111112
fun fact, armadillo supplied rocket racing league with engines, and a certain someone led a RRL team, pic related

[Anonymous No.12111140]

fuck whitey and fuck the moon

[Anonymous No.12111146]

>>12111140
based gaynigger from outer space

[Anonymous No.12111148]

>>12111139
Why Trump is so good at picking people?

[Anonymous No.12111149]

>>12111121
Are they really gonna do it like this? Gosh I'm blushing, anon

[Anonymous No.12111154]

>>12111149

[Anonymous No.12111155]

>>12111148
i think pence picked jim actually. pence is super based

[Anonymous No.12111160]

Astra doesn't have sugardaddy unlike early SpaceX right?

[Anonymous No.12111178]

>>12111160
Nope, and they missed out on DARPA funding because they scrubbed too much (missed the milestone deadline)

[Anonymous No.12111179]

>>12111178
Didn't DARPA bend over backwards and extend out the ass because they were the only ones left in the running?

[Anonymous No.12111181]

>>12110742

Launchprice per seat for the Starliner is around 90 million dollars, Dragon sits at around 45 million. For comparison: Soyuz seats costs around 85 million but that is with Roscosmos extortion rates, the price will drop though.

[Anonymous No.12111184]

>>12111181
embarrassing

[Anonymous No.12111188]

>>12111184
Boing's justification for the added cost is that you get more cargo space with their death trap.

[Anonymous No.12111190]

>>12111160
I thought Steve Jurvetson is somehow associated with them?

[Anonymous No.12111191]

>>12111112
Armadillo is basically EXOS now (in terms of team and tech). Their SARGE sounding rocket flew 4 times and failed 4 times, so rip probably

[Anonymous No.12111193]

>>12111188
>empty space
>costs tens of millions
sounds like boeing

[Anonymous No.12111201]

DO YOU FEAR IT
https://youtu.be/BKOK0VzTix4

[Anonymous No.12111207]

Better video of Rocket 3.1 taking a tumble. Shame there's no sound allowed here. The explosion was nice.

[Anonymous No.12111211]

SSTO...
BEAUTY...

[Anonymous No.12111222]

huh

[Anonymous No.12111244]

>>12110880
Based

[Anonymous No.12111245]

>>12111244

[Anonymous No.12111254]

>>12111121
This is a blueboard anon

[Anonymous No.12111256]

>>12111254

[Anonymous No.12111258]

>>12111211

[Anonymous No.12111270]

>>12111245
uwu what's this

[Anonymous No.12111271]

>>12111201
Amusing in a weird way

[Anonymous No.12111275]

>>12111256
>Fisting
You sick fuck

[Anonymous No.12111311]

>>12111110
Your punishment is missimg the get.

[Anonymous No.12111325]

>>12110832
>fires uncontrollably at you
>>12110838
>That was sent up in ONE LAUNCH!
That's what happens when you use a spare rocket stage to build a space station. It's hard to do twice though, not that many spare stages lying around.
>>12110844
>Public interest in apollo dropped after apollo 11
Yep, Apollo 13 mission was a ratings flop until it went pear-shaped. I think they even point this out in the movie.
>>12110880
>Zorg
Funny how he looks like an evil Bezos
>>12111103
This. All the good dust from the Sahara is blown over the ocean and fertilizes the Amazon, or something.

[Anonymous No.12111328]

>>12111211
CURVED ENGINES

[Anonymous No.12111335]

>>12111211
>>12111328
>Did you see those european spacecraft? They've got curved engines. Curved. Engines.

[Anonymous No.12111358]

>>12111311
:(

[Anonymous No.12111360]

>>12111099(checked)

Do you think they'll be able to reverse engineer the C'tan devices?

[Anonymous No.12111362]

>>12111211
I mean it's kinda interesting with the aerodynamic shape and the banana engines and all, but it's nowhere beautiful. It would look like the Normandy SR2, if they didn't seemingly melt it.

[Anonymous No.12111369]

https://twitter.com/interplanetary/status/1304652046180651008

>>12110481
F

[Anonymous No.12111375]

>>12111369
So NASA wants private sector to DO IT FOR FREE literally. No fucking development support, no launch support, and a symbolic payment upon delivery.
Not your fucking moon janny, Bridenstine. Get fucking real.

[Anonymous No.12111402]

>>12110481
Astra: another day, another environmental damage filing

[Anonymous No.12111407]

who /SCANNING/ out here

[Anonymous No.12111425]

>>12111407
I liked scanning in Eve Online, been a while since I played

[Anonymous No.12111443]

Today in history:
>1959 – The Soviet Union launches a large rocket, Lunik II, at the moon.
>1962 – President Kennedy delivers his "We choose to go to the Moon" speech at Rice University.
>1966 – Gemini 11, the penultimate mission of NASA's Gemini program, and the current human altitude record holder (except for the Apollo lunar missions).
>1992 – NASA launches Space Shuttle Endeavour on STS-47 which marked the 50th shuttle mission.

[Anonymous No.12111461]

>>12110586
the Chinese launch failed as well! probably the liquid fuel upper stage

Nothing good happens on September 11.

[Anonymous No.12111473]

>>12110705
>If the first starship had a huge BLACK LIVES MATTER livery on it i’m giving up and only following russian launches.
/sfg/ - alt-right pussies cry about literally everything

[Anonymous No.12111474]

>>12111407
I love that mod. It's so peaceful watching a planet revolving far below you, while the scanner is slowly collecting data.

[Anonymous No.12111475]

>>12110955
fuck! ACES was one of the only innovative ideas to come out of ULA.

>>12110976
I hope they pursue use of otherwise wasted boil-off gases in the Centaur upgrades

[Anonymous No.12111505]

>>12111121
didn't elon say in order to transfer the fuel they are going to accelerate this link in the direction of the fueled rocket? How do they intend to accelerate with the engines face to face?

[Anonymous No.12111509]

>>12111121
>>12111121
>>12111121
symmetric number for symmetric docking!

[Anonymous No.12111515]

>>12111160
also unlike Virgin Orbit. It was just revealed that Branson has already invested $750 million in that venture.

[Anonymous No.12111518]

>>12111443
based history poster never stop

[Anonymous No.12111522]

>>12111207
make one for >>>/wsg/

[Anonymous No.12111523]

>>12111505
Probably by using control thrusters like it's written in the pic

[Anonymous No.12111524]

>>12111505
RCS thrusters.

[Anonymous No.12111526]

>>12110705
>>12111473
I highly doubt Elon would align himself or his company in any way with a movement supported by marxists, especially after looking at his tweets over the past few months. Just sayin.

[Anonymous No.12111527]

>>12111522
>>>/wsg/3617505

Here you go.

[Anonymous No.12111538]

>>12111527
awesome! nice sound of it plummeting as well! Having launched 12-foot amateur rockets, you don't want to hear that scream unless you have eyes on the rocket. Frightening!

Astra has already announced that it was a controlled shutdown due to a guidance failure. It was developing an oscillation that their control software was unable to damp out, sending it off course.

[Anonymous No.12111542]

how can anyone play KSP without visual mods?

[Anonymous No.12111557]

>>12111538
It was going Kerbal floppy/tumbling around the 19 second mark before the engine shut down, so yeah. That shit ain't balanced.

[Anonymous No.12111576]

>>12111527
>rocket starts tumbling
>guy doesn't react until the sound stops
Anyhow, this is why I compare launches to NASCAR, you never know when you'll get to see an awesome wipe-out.
Also this is one of the few times I've seen when vertical video was actually appropriate.

[Anonymous No.12111581]

>>12111576
This was just some local filming, not an amateur rocket nerd. If you listen, he goes "isn't that where we hunted earlier" or something like that.

[Anonymous No.12111593]

How could SpaceX, a Los Angeles based company, make rocket cheaper than China, India and Russia's forced labour?

[Anonymous No.12111596]

>>12111087
Why?

[Anonymous No.12111601]

>>12111407
Started a new game with some mods shuffled around, now setting up my not-calculated comm relay net.

[Anonymous No.12111603]

[Anonymous No.12111606]

>>12111593
By turning the "cheap" aspect of it into the silicone valley technology. You can't outcheap engineered cheap.

[Anonymous No.12111608]

>>12111121
Why isn't the entire hull of the tanker a fuel tank, instead of having the same size tanks as the crew one?

[Anonymous No.12111609]

>>12111606
edit, not without superior engineering.

[Anonymous No.12111613]

>>12111593
Those countries either have national launches to worry about (which money is no object), or they enjoy a relative monopoly on some aspect of commercial launches and crank up the prices to get as much money from it as possible.

[Anonymous No.12111646]

>>12111608
Parts commonality is more design efficient than stretching the tanks less than 10% to hold a payload's worth of extra fuel and have to re-test everything.

[Anonymous No.12111661]

>>12111001
To the anon asking what toy he should get his child, get him something like this book. I had a couple of these growing up and I would spend hours looking at the photos and researching different space missions

[Anonymous No.12111670]

>>12111181
Anon there is no way this is right, i’m in disbelief hahah. I know it’s an easy google but do you also happen to know the cost per seat on Space Shuttle. The whole point of going with reusable capsules was that it was supposed to be CHEAPER, and you’re telling me Boeing is charging more than a soyuz ticket?

[Anonymous No.12111675]

>>12111527
fyi, there's usually "webm with sound for other boards" thread on /wsg/ for that kind of things

[Anonymous No.12111676]

>>12111593
Low wage workers doesn't equal cheap costs, most of money in Russia is spent on embezzlement.

[Anonymous No.12111687]

>>12111473
If it makes you feel any better I would equally hate it if some stupid republican message was on the rocket. It’s the virtue signaling that I cannot stand. It’s becoming inescapable even in daily life and i’m so so sick of it.

In the effort of fairness though I will admit I disagree with left politics and I would probably enjoy it if Elon let one of the first test astronauts aboard Starship wear a “make space great again” hat or something. These are just hypotheticals though; Elon isn’t too big on pushing stupid Earth politics

[Anonymous No.12111696]

>>12111646
It seems like it could be stretched much more than 10% and if heavy lift past Loe becomes more common then I don't see why they wouldn't. It was also stated that it would require multiple refuelings anyway, so why not make the tanks bigger. It also doesn't seem like there's all that much expense in testing tanks anyway

[Anonymous No.12111698]

>>12111675
So sue me.

[Anonymous No.12111701]

>>12111696
If you're filling the whole volume of starship with fuel it will be too heavy

[Anonymous No.12111717]

>>12111701
To the people with better space knowledge than me: what would be an ideal orbit for a depot?

And on that note, if we consider Starship Cargo’s trunk space the only limiting factor, what would be the best way to build a depot? I’m thinking we could launch a lot of modular pieces that all connect together and store fuel.

[Anonymous No.12111719]

>>12111696
>It seems like it could be stretched much more than 10%
Not if you want to fill that space with fuel and still make it to orbit it can't.

[Anonymous No.12111720]

>>12111670

>Anon there is no way this is right, i’m in disbelief hahah.

I am 100% serious. I have to correct myself though, instead of 45 million, it is 55 million per seat for the Dragon capsule.

>and you’re telling me Boeing is charging more than a soyuz ticket?

Yes:

https://www.space.com/spacex-boeing-commercial-crew-seat-prices.html

>>NASA will likely pay about $90 million for each astronaut who flies aboard Boeing's CST-100 Starliner capsule on International Space Station (ISS) missions, the report estimated. The per-seat cost for SpaceX's Crew Dragon capsule, meanwhile, will be around $55 million, according to the OIG's calculations.

>>To put those costs into perspective: NASA currently pays about $86 million for each seat aboard Russia's three-person Soyuz spacecraft, which has been astronauts' only ride to and from the ISS since NASA's space shuttle fleet was grounded in July 2011.

[Anonymous No.12111726]

>>12111670
Yes and they're trying to justify it by saying it's worth it because they can bring more cargo onboard the SS Death Trap.

[Anonymous No.12111727]

>>12111720
This makes me feel uneasy... I take back everything I said earlier. I don’t care how cool Starliner looks; I hope it FUBAR’s on it’s next attempted launch and gets grounded by NASA.

[Anonymous No.12111730]

>>12110742
>>12111670
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/nasa-report-finds-boeing-seat-prices-are-60-higher-than-spacex/
>Boeing in 2016 proposed pricing for its third through sixth crewed missions using the "single 2016 mission price," which was substantially higher than NASA and Boeing had originally agreed upon. In response to this, NASA's Office of Procurement determined this was "not consistent with the terms of the contract and did not match the contract’s fixed-price table."
>However, Boeing continued to press NASA for additional funding. After "prolonged negotiations," according to Martin, Boeing offered some benefits to NASA, such as reduced lead times before the missions and a variable launch cadence. NASA then agreed to pay the additional $287.2 million for these four missions, which are likely to fly in the early 2020s.

https://www.space.com/spacex-boeing-commercial-crew-seat-prices.html
>The OIG report also found that NASA paid Boeing an additional $287 million, on top of the original CCtCap deal, "to mitigate a perceived 18-month gap in ISS flights anticipated in 2019 for the company's third through sixth crewed missions and to ensure the company continued as a second commercial crew provider."
>SpaceX was not notified of this deal and "was not provided the same opportunity as Boeing to propose a solution,"

https://www.statista.com/chart/21904/estimated-cost-per-seat-on-selected-spacecraft/
>The Apollo program had a cost per seat of $390 million when adjusted for inflation according to the Planetary Society while the figure for the Space Shuttle comes in at $170 million.

[Anonymous No.12111732]

>>12110659
>>12111661
True.

also, from my own experience, once a kid gets hooked on rockets, anything and everything pointy becomes their next spaceship. I carried a piece of driftwood around all summer because it barely looked like a land-speeder if you squinted, and a different piece became the Battlestar Galactica. Never underestimate a kid's imagination.

[Anonymous No.12111735]

>>12111730
Like is boeing not afraid to push their luck too far?? I just want to say: it is a MIRACLE boeing wasn’t selected as part of the Artemis lander proposals. I’m hoping this is the beginning of the end for them. Starliner should be grounded, SLS should fly only the bare minimum, and NASA should never consider boeing for a contract job ever again

[Anonymous No.12111736]

>>12111593
Reusability and mass production. Falcon 9's core and 2nd stage probably cost about as much if not more to manufacture as an Atlas 5 core, but SpaceX is able to amortize that cost across multiple launches thanks to the landings and recovery. This also goes for the engines, where the sheer, insane volume of Merlin engines needed for Falcon and in particular Falcon Heavy mean that by rocket standards they're practically mass-produced, which again keeps costs low. This isn't unique to SpaceX, as the Soviet Union had similar economies of scale with the NK-33s on the N-1 and Roscosmos today also has similar economies of scale with the Soyuz family which is why they're also dirt cheap to launch. That's the engineering philosophy side of things.

Now, the real SpaceX special sauce is in booster recovery via powered landing, which costs relatively little in terms of materials and added mechanical complexity, but is incredibly dependent on the quality of SpaceX's avionics and flight control software. SpaceX may be similar to ULA, Boeing, JAXA, or Arianespace in terms of their mechanical engineering capabilities, but they absolutely blow everybody else out of the water when it comes to the quality of their programmers and the quality of their software, as their computer science talent is every bit as good as the top CS grads hired by the FAANG companies. As Starliner proved, software is everything, and the programmers at ULA and Boeing don't even come close to the caliber of the Silicon Valley-tier folks working at SpaceX. Things are even worse at JAXA and Arianespace, and you don't even want to think about the quality of the electrical and software engineering staff that the Russians, the Chinese, and the Indians have to make do with. At least they're better off than Iran or North Korea, lol.

[Anonymous No.12111737]

>>12111732
Yeah I used to play with my pens in elementary school and pretend they were rockets launching from my desk. In hindsight I am very surprised my parents didn’t test me for autism lol. I was super obsessed with space and fighter jets

[Anonymous No.12111738]

>>12111696
They will, elon has mentioned it several times. It will come later since it is not that crucial to the plan.

[Anonymous No.12111741]

>>12110487
wish that had had some black lives in it lol

[Anonymous No.12111745]

>>12111735
It seems like pushing their luck is all they have now.

[Anonymous No.12111749]

Is it possible and how long it takes to convert alabama's factories, that shelby want to protect, into ones that will make starships and other spacex stuff. That is, we can do without losing our working people and boosting spaceship manufacturing. And shelby and other dudes can get part of proffits from those factories.

It'd be cool right?

[Anonymous No.12111751]

>>12110659
It's never too early to start them on the real thing. An Alpha III can be assembled by a preschooler (with a little guidance) and then they get to watch a real (cardboard) rocket that they put together actually fly.

From there it's even more fun if you get them a simple kit that they can work on with help while you get yourself a larger and more advanced kit that they can watch you build.

[Anonymous No.12111756]

>>12111749
I don't think Elon would trust a bunch of his former competitors now having access to SpaceX designs and manufacturing

[Anonymous No.12111759]

>>12111749
No. Why outsource jobs to people who all support keeping depots off the table so that SLS and vulcan can fly. These people are complicit in holding us back. If they want a job in the future they can go to Boca Chica

[Anonymous No.12111766]

>>12111756
Well didn't he say that he wants competition?
>>12111759
> If they want a job in the future they can go to Boca Chica
Apparently Boca Chica won't be enough to take all of them?

[Anonymous No.12111771]

Lunar landing complete, next target is in sight

[Anonymous No.12111774]

>>12111759
>and vulcan can fly
Vulcan was supposed to use a propellant depot. That was a part of improving launch capability. The feature was dropped when a certain senator threw a fit over it and threatened the company's income.

[Anonymous No.12111778]

>>12111756
If anything I expect him to take the opposite tack. Once Starship is up and running I'd be shocked if he doesn't pull a Tesla and make as much of it open source as ITAR will allow him to.

[Anonymous No.12111785]

>>12111778
>>Tesla
>Spacex
fastfixed you

[Anonymous No.12111797]

>>12111774
Why are ULA such pussies? They could have just launched a depot and made it “ULA refueling only” and made a deal with NASA to get funding for it but not use it to compete against SLS. Whatever. Shelby is almost as retarded as Space Launch System. Can’t wait for Elon to launch his own depot and tweet at Shelby the second the first piece reaches orbit

[Anonymous No.12111810]

>>12111771
And then the moon rock crabs show up

[Anonymous No.12111826]

>>12111736
>27 engines
Lmao the soviets couldn't do, Elon has no chance.
That shit is going to explode on the pad every time it tries to launch.
Bye bye spaceX. Musk should be arrested.

[Anonymous No.12111830]

>>12111749
Alabama factories are not automated production lines like the ones that Elon wants to build for SS. They will only be able to re-utilize the buildings themselves.

[Anonymous No.12111832]

>>12111737
Haha, I was super into history so I made cannon emplacements out of crayons.

Now that I think about it, it was probably the Our Universe book that got me into space, then I bought a telescope and the rest is history.

[Anonymous No.12111833]

>>12111826
Why?

[Anonymous No.12111843]

>>12111833
it is joke, twitter retards used to say this before FH flew

[Anonymous No.12111844]

>>12111826
>the soviets couldn't do
The soviets couldn't do farming either. What's your fucking point?

[Anonymous No.12111856]

Fuck SLS

https://twitter.com/Lori_Garver/status/1304826982044241924

[Anonymous No.12111868]

>>12111843
Ok!

[Anonymous No.12111885]

>>12111736
>Chinese

Should be closer to SpaceX than JAXA

[Anonymous No.12111901]

>>12111856
Everyone laughed at and made fun of Elon but now they are singing praises.

[Anonymous No.12111904]

This is comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWFoXHlu_7s

[Anonymous No.12111918]

>>12111904
i'd love to see a cubesat or something with a hd camera do a 'how low can you go' orbit of the moon.

[Anonymous No.12111931]

so uhhh, when's the next launch?

[Anonymous No.12111938]

>>12111931
5+ days. Except for some Chinese launches if you give a shit about that, I don't.

[Anonymous No.12111941]

>>12111918
LIMBO, a cubesat that slowly gets lower and lower until it’s flying right over mountains and- oh nooo it just flew into the Chinese moon base oh that sucks...

[Anonymous No.12111946]

>>12111856
I just don't understand this reusable launch tower meme.

The amount of money you can save from reusing towers isn’t enough to justify how much harder it makes it to launch the difficult missions that usually make money in the launching world. I’m sure one day reusability will be more effective, but the truth is that when you have all the challenges that come with materials science in general, it’s almost always much more effective to throw away the tower after it’s done its job than to figure out how to make recovery part of the mission. I know of no major technology on the near term horizon that would change that.

Even if reusable launch towers are possible now, but when reliability is THE number one priority (in this case the rocket takes up 2/3rds of the cost and the actual tower only 1/3rd) it makes absolutely no sense. Like, look at this tower(pic related). This represents some of the most advanced technologies in the aerospace world. Do you honestly think that such a complicated machine can be made tough and reliable enough to be reusable? I doubt it. Best example in my opinion is condoms, sure you could reuse them but making sure that they do not suffer a drop in reliability will cost a lot of money and time.

Just because some meme company made reusing launch towers popular, then that doesn't mean that we will have the sci-fi future of millions of launches per year. We'll be lucky to see more than a couple dozen per year. Dial down your expectations, don't buy into the 'reusability for launch towers' meme.

[Anonymous No.12111951]

>>12111938
Feels like we're in a dry period, which is hilarious considering how many launches are happening compared to historically speaking.

[Anonymous No.12111952]

Hwhoah mamma

[Anonymous No.12111953]

"SN8 Starship with flaps & nosecone should be done in about a week. Then static fire, checkouts, static fire, fly to 60,000 ft & back"

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1304836575075819520

HOYLSIHTISTAHPEPNNGI

[Anonymous No.12111954]

>>12111951
Yeah, I'm in withdrawal.

[Anonymous No.12111957]

>>12111952
What will happen to sn5-6.

[Anonymous No.12111958]

>>12111952
muh dic

[Anonymous No.12111959]

>>12111952
W e w

[Anonymous No.12111961]

>>12111952
orbital by SN 11?

[Anonymous No.12111962]

>>12111953
>>12111951
>>12111954
>>12111952
And this is why. Shit's gonna get wild soon.

[Anonymous No.12111967]

>>12111952
>>12111953

[Anonymous No.12111971]

>>12111952
HOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOPHOP

[Anonymous No.12111972]

>>12111962
Well, it's Elon Time.
At least I get time to study.

[Anonymous No.12111978]

[Anonymous No.12111981]

>>12111952
Static fire - week
Check outs - week
Static fire - week
Fly test - week

In month in best case.

[Anonymous No.12111983]

>>12111961
Suborbital by december.

[Anonymous No.12111986]

>>12111981
Hmm so it seems we were correct. Late october flight, possibly early november. It’ll probably be about a year until SN11.

[Anonymous No.12111987]

>>12111981
not bad considering back in spring many were doubting they'd even have a pressure test worthy tank by now, if ever.

[Anonymous No.12111990]

>>12111981
Could be a failure though. Hoping to see a starship fly for Christmas.
>>12111987
Kek remember all the people saying it was over for starship when there was a few pressure test failures? almost better than actually sending people to mars is the feeling of watching spacex prove everyone wrong time and again.

[Anonymous No.12111991]

>>12111981
In a month in best case because that's when their permit will be issued
https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp-SpaceX/1401-EX-ST-2020

[Anonymous No.12111999]

>>12111981
I'm fine with that. Still incredibly fast.

[Anonymous No.12112000]

>>12111971
>>12111978
Hopday today????????

[Anonymous No.12112001]

I can’t believe we are really getting a fully reusable rocket. No space junk, nothing wasted, two stage to orbit... Spirit of Von Braun will fly soon gentlemen

[Anonymous No.12112015]

>>12112001
It's good to know we're in one of the good timelines. Even if there are better ones, this one won't be too bad for much longer.

[Anonymous No.12112029]

>rewatching that deep engine throttle on sn6

[Anonymous No.12112040]

>>12111952
LETS GO!

[Anonymous No.12112043]

>>12112029
I heard you like deep throttling.

[Anonymous No.12112049]

>>12112043
the deeper the better.

[Anonymous No.12112053]

>>12111952
If the madman actually delivers with starship, will anyone here fire their own personal satellite?

[Anonymous No.12112054]

When do we get the first space porno?

[Anonymous No.12112060]

>>12112054
Probably within the next 10 years.
Leaked sex tapes will probably come earlier, though.

[Anonymous No.12112061]

>>12112054
When the sextape of Yusaku Maezawa and his dearMoon date leak to the public.

[Anonymous No.12112076]

>>12112061
Oh man that dude is a little nuts

[Anonymous No.12112081]

>>12111826
huh?

[Anonymous No.12112082]

>>12112081
Its five engines.

[Anonymous No.12112089]

>>12112053
hobby satellitery will definitely become a thing if you can launch a cubesat for under 10k. you'll likely need a licence and proof you can deorbit or otherwise dispose of it though.

[Anonymous No.12112096]

>>12112081
split combustion chambers

[Anonymous No.12112097]

>>12112082
17 if you count the vernier engines.

[Anonymous No.12112109]

>>12112089
And this too.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-space-policy-directive-5-cybersecurity-principles-space-systems/

[Anonymous No.12112114]

>>12112089
I’m worried every company and their subsidiaries will want to launch their own constellation. I don’t want millions of fucking satellites whizzing around LEO. I don’t give a shit about “muh astronomy” or anything, but it could possibly fuck to routine launches of you have to calculate a million things and wait a few days just to get a launch window where you won’t get bombarded by hypervelocity cubesats

[Anonymous No.12112120]

>>12112061
>>12112076
have this weird feeling that the dude is planning to turn the ship into a murder trap

like that dude who built a submarine and killed a reporter in it

[Anonymous No.12112122]

>>12111918
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is did just that. It took close up HD pics of all the Apollo landing sites. It's a neat mission, still going

[Anonymous No.12112128]

>>12112120
nah they'll be fine, it's actually the start of the anglo-japanese space alliance

[Anonymous No.12112135]

>>12112128
I love the japanese. I’m no weeb but I respect the fact that their culture forces them to clean everything and uphold honor. Way better than the disgusting chinese

[Anonymous No.12112140]

>>12112114
that and any cunt with malicious intent could start kessler syndrome for the sake of it. even diy sats with shitty encryption would be vulnerable to being hacked and flown into other vehicles. in fact going forward i'd imagine regulatory burdens would be by far the greatest cost in flying your own space vehicle. the hardware and launch would be peanuts in comparison.

[Anonymous No.12112141]

>>12112135
They are the superior type of asian, it seems.

[Anonymous No.12112144]

>>12111952
Holy mother

[Anonymous No.12112146]

>>12112140
probably going to be like paypal getting x.com before they stopped giving out 1-character TLDs where starlink has a special priority elevation, but most other constellations are forced further out

[Anonymous No.12112148]

>>12112120
Wasn't the submarine murder guy part of Copenhagen Suborbitals as well?

[Anonymous No.12112149]

>>12111774
Shelby is depotphobic

[Anonymous No.12112157]

>>12112114
The largest saetlites are the size of a bus. Orbits are already tracked.

[Anonymous No.12112159]

>>12112146
is there an equivalent to icann for earth orbit? major nations aren't exactly placing nice at the moment so it seems like it's going to end up being one massive clusterfuck when everyone wants a constellation or random space program (public or private).
reminds me of that story about esa emailing spacex about a possible collision and getting ignored to they had to preform an emergency burn.

[Anonymous No.12112162]

>>12111774
You said it!
I'm cancelling SLS.

[Anonymous No.12112165]

>>12111952

[Anonymous No.12112170]

>>12110542
SLS will be remembered in the history books as the most corrupt government project in American history.

[Anonymous No.12112172]

>>12112162
little jimmy will go hungry if you cancel sls.
his older sister will turn to prostitution to put food on the table.
entire families will be forced to take shelter in the unused srb casings that would otherwise be delivering americans to the moon and mars.
how could you be so cruel?

[Anonymous No.12112174]

https://youtu.be/mx29KbFbBnU

NSF comfy show is live

[Anonymous No.12112175]

>>12112146
>x.com
Inb4 it will be eventually be site of MarsX - Martian geology, tourism and transportation.

[Anonymous No.12112178]

>>12112149
I identify as depotsexual.

[Anonymous No.12112181]

>>12112175
>Martian geolog
ayy anon you are funny
i like you

[Anonymous No.12112183]

suborbital is the next big step after 20km? or is it orbital?

[Anonymous No.12112186]

>>12112170
Not in the way it deserves, it will just simply be forgotten, maybe rediscovered in 80 years for some future youtube clickbait 'TOP 10 EXPENSIVE GOVERNMENT PROJECTS YOU WON'T BELIEVE'

[Anonymous No.12112191]

>>12112183
Probably suborbital, that is, over 100km but without enough side velocity.
Just jumping up is technically suborbital too.

[Anonymous No.12112192]

>>12112172
for just 63 cents a week* you could keep a boomer engineer in gainful employment and make senator shelby smile.

*https://www.space.com/10849-nasa-budget-contribute.html

[Anonymous No.12112193]

>>12112181
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_geology

[Anonymous No.12112195]

>>12112170
Even worse than the $1.2tn F-35 fiasco?

[Anonymous No.12112198]

>>12112181
we do not speak ill of geologists on this general anon.

[Anonymous No.12112201]

>>12112195
at least the F-35 actually mostly works

[Anonymous No.12112204]

>>12112201
Its competitors are even worse.

[Anonymous No.12112205]

>>12112198
>>12112193
oh no i like the geology anon
i think it is funny that he is always shilling geology

[Anonymous No.12112207]

>>12112162

[Anonymous No.12112211]

>>12112172
well said, someone give this anon a cost-plus

[Anonymous No.12112229]

>>12112211

[Anonymous No.12112233]

>>12111111

[Anonymous No.12112235]

>>12112195
>1.2 trillion
Thats the same cost as over 100 THOUSAND A10 warthogs

[Anonymous No.12112256]

>>12112235
if you brrrrt at a standstill with the engines off how much thrust would you be generating? leading to the question how many brrrts would it take to make a launch vehicle and still come in cheaper than sls?

[Anonymous No.12112264]

>>12112235
That's enough money to colonize Pluto

[Anonymous No.12112271]

>>12112264
But not enough JOBS to colonize Alabama.

[Anonymous No.12112281]

>>12112271
blue origin is giving boomers jobs! it's like so good for our boomers!

[Anonymous No.12112286]

>>12112174
never watched one of these before, this is definitely better than the TEXAS TANK WATCHERS streams

[Anonymous No.12112293]

>"Let's be very honest again, SLS is real" - "real wack ass shit", Bolden said in a 2020 interview.

[Anonymous No.12112297]

>>12112281
anything else would simply be un-american. like that elon scent and his foreign missile program.

[Anonymous No.12112300]

imagine if SN8 actually flies before the end of the month

[Anonymous No.12112305]

>>12112297
he's going to be arrested, he's fucked

[Anonymous No.12112306]

>>12112256
The gun produces roughly 45kN of thrust while firing.
So thats at least 45kN x 100000 = 4.5MN of thrust.
Too bad the planes only hold enough ammo for 19 seconds of continuous fire.

[Anonymous No.12112307]

>>12112300
see
>>12111991

[Anonymous No.12112308]

>>12112300
>2 HOOOPENINGS IN A MONTH

one can hoope

[Anonymous No.12112310]

>>12112201
>mostly works
Putting the bar really low here...
for what legitimately should have been like at least a mecha for 1.2trillion and decades of development.

[Anonymous No.12112312]

>>12112306
>19 seconds of continuous fire
thats 19 seconds longer than sls has managed lmao

[Anonymous No.12112313]

>>12112300
He seems relatively confident about the SN8 test flow. My guess is that it might happen sooner than we'd expect.

[Anonymous No.12112316]

>>12112235
>>12112195

That whole 1.2 Trillion dollar figure is for spare parts, fuel, weapons etc. Not just for the planes themselves.

Do the same math for the F-16 and F-18 and you will find that they have similar levels of monetary expenditure (just be sure to correct for inflation).

[Anonymous No.12112321]

>>12112286
texas tank watcher! thats me, im a pay piggy for mary! oink oink god i love NSF(w), hahaha but srsly god i love nsf

[Anonymous No.12112324]

>>12112306
Oops I fucked up it's 4.5GN, damn thats a lot of boolet.

[Anonymous No.12112327]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiqfD_PRsNg&feature=emb_rel_pause

based

[Anonymous No.12112342]

What are they even doing with the old sn's after analysis?

[Anonymous No.12112344]

>>12110705
>>12111526
You guys have your head in the sand. SpaceX and most of their followers are woke. Isn't the CEO a woman?

[Anonymous No.12112347]

>>12112342
I believe the plan was the cronch them up into cybertrucks.

[Anonymous No.12112349]

>>12112342
Same as as Falcon 1.

[Anonymous No.12112355]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbfCBxZ2uA
Этo нe oпyхoль!

[Anonymous No.12112360]

>>12112342
Probably incorporate into future tourist facilities somehow like they did with the restaurant.

[Anonymous No.12112363]

>>12112355
Fun fact, the MAKS was planned to use a tripropellant rocket engine which is fueled by liquid oxygen, RP-1, and liquid hydrogen. It can adjust the exact mixture ratio between all three during flight to maximize thrust or efficiency depending on which is needed more.

[Anonymous No.12112364]

How long until Chinese BFR clone?

[Anonymous No.12112368]

>>12112364
Not as long as they have left.

[Anonymous No.12112369]

>>12112364
When they need to move on from leveling villages to leveling cities.

[Anonymous No.12112377]

Is Falcon Heavy a scam?
>Not including the test launch, only flew twice
>Advertised as a super heavy, has never lifted more than 8 tonnes
>Was intended to launch a human on a lunar fly-by, has never made to out of orbit or even launched a human anywhere
>FH is mentioned by SpaceX anymore
>Most of the future launches are military payloads to GTO
From this evidence I think either the design doesn't work well and they haven't admitted it, or it was simply meant to be a mundane Delta IV heavy replacement all along which they hyped up with claims of "sending private citizens to the moon"

[Anonymous No.12112382]

>>12112368
implying what?

[Anonymous No.12112392]

>>12112342
make them into walls

[Anonymous No.12112397]

>>12112377
>>Not including the test launch, only flew twice
>>Advertised as a super heavy, has never lifted more than 8 tonnes
Because SpaceX isn't interested in using Falcon Heavy much, and giving it the capability to carry it's maximum payload capacity requires developing a new payload adapter that SpaceX doesn't want to make and its customers don't want to fund.
>>Was intended to launch a human on a lunar fly-by, has never made to out of orbit or even launched a human anywhere
Falcon Heavy was already a chore for SpaceX to develop, and human rating the Falcon 9 was just as much of a headache. Human rating the Falcon Heavy wasn't worth it for SpaceX.
>>FH is mentioned by SpaceX anymore
I assume you mean isn't? That's because SpaceX isn't interested in Falcon Heavy anymore. It was a developmental dead-end that only served to show off the company's capabilities.
>>Most of the future launches are military payloads to GTO
I doubt that, but even if that is the case then Falcon 9 and later Starship can easily handle that market.

[Anonymous No.12112399]

How different would history be if NASA selected DIRECT instead of SLS and used fixed contracts as opposed to cost plus? Would we be on the moon now?

[Anonymous No.12112400]

>>12112195
The F35 is about the same as an F16 and had the same amount of initial problems. Lockheed Martin went for that gooberment money but they made a good product

[Anonymous No.12112401]

>>12112377
FH is more or less a proof that SpaceX has a heavy lifter ready to go other than starship

[Anonymous No.12112402]

>>12112349
what happened to Falcon1?
I mean prototypes end up not being preserved more often than not and they sure strip off generic parts if not sections for inspection, if not reuse. Kinda the point of the whole company.
(cleaned picrel up a bit.)
I mean I'm pretty sure the grid fins from F9 boosters get reused after they exceed their design service life, whaterver that will be, like 10 gigs?... because milling Titanium is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.12112404]

>>12112399
Obama would have canceled it and fund private space anyway.

[Anonymous No.12112411]

>>12112399
very different

[Anonymous No.12112412]

>>12112411
it was a much simpler design than SLS too

[Anonymous No.12112417]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.12112419]

>>12112399
History would be the same because Shuttle contractors would just change the payment method from fixed-price to cost-plus, or if they couldn't do that then they would just negotiate for extra money outside of the initial fixed-cost like that Boeing did with commercial crew. The Shuttle has been used to maintain aerospace jobs for decades, and after its official retirement that became the only mission for it. Any attempt to try to use Shuttle components will incur the same management issues that SLS has today. A theoretical gutsy and politically immune NASA admin could play hardball and try to whip the contractors into shape, but they would just fight back hard and delay things again.

[Anonymous No.12112423]

[Anonymous No.12112432]

>>12112397
So I am right it was a dead end
And if it can't carry super heavy payloads out of the box then it shouldn't be called a super heavy.
>>12112401
It was a failed attempt at a heavy lifter, that's why they are starting again with a clean sheet design

[Anonymous No.12112434]

>>12112400
F35's are hangar queens, like 55 workhours per flight hour not including complete checkups. That's terrible design for something that's supposed to be used in symmetric warfare and from a just remotely economical standpoint, nothing more than a useless liability in the war against terror.

I also wanna see them try to make a motor company or something retool to shit out F35's in a large scale war effort, which should be a consideration when planes take 20 years and half the globe and their moms to design nowadays.

[Anonymous No.12112439]

Wouldn't a redesign of the main tank be required for DIRECT anyways? At that point, it's not much different than SLS. Plus, those RS-25s would still be going to waste.

[Anonymous No.12112452]

>>12112128
Lol I love this picture so much.

[Anonymous No.12112454]

>>12112432
>And if it can't carry super heavy payloads out of the box then it shouldn't be called a super heavy.
I think it's just called a heavy class launch vehicle. At least now.

[Anonymous No.12112457]

>>12112439
>he hasn't heard about Shuttle-C

[Anonymous No.12112460]

>>12112439
Yeah that’s true. The only solution would be to use the Shuttle C. At least that didn’t need a redesign.

[Anonymous No.12112461]

>>12111475
yes, that's in the cards

[Anonymous No.12112463]

>>12112434
What is the ultimate war plane? I'm convinced the A-10 is the ultimate flying machine

[Anonymous No.12112464]

>>12112432
>It was a failed attempt at a heavy lifter
Is that why they're still launching them and going to use them for that gateway shit?

[Anonymous No.12112467]

>>12111717
>ideal orbit for a depot
where ever your parking orbit is for that particular mission, duh

[Anonymous No.12112471]

>>12111717
>what would be an ideal orbit for a depot?
just put it in alabama

[Anonymous No.12112473]

>>12112464
Aren't they using SLS or Starship for that?
As with everything these days both sides are retarded. ULA shills are retarded, all of you are retarded. SpaceX is doing cool things but they have made a lot of promises they haven't lived up to yet everyone here laps up every concept they put out without question.

[Anonymous No.12112475]

>>12112473
Not for the resupply contract that SpaceX won, the DragonXL capsules aren't going to be sent by fucking Delta IV Heavies.

[Anonymous No.12112477]

ok shelby

[Anonymous No.12112482]

>>12112473
>Aren't they using SLS
Not for lunar commercial cargo.

>or Starship for that?
Maybe some day, but the time being Falcon Heavy will carry the Dragon XL for lunar resupply mission. Probably because the hardware for it already exists, and can be done faster than Starship.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/03/dragon-xl-nasa-spacex-lunar-gateway-supply-contract/

[Anonymous No.12112498]

>>12112432
How is it a failed attempt? It was more expensive then expected but still cheap all things considered- and can lift more than most other rockets on the market. It's literally classified as a "heavy lift" rocket. Not quite a super heavy, but still heavy

[Anonymous No.12112504]

>>12112498
Adding to that iirc it made some of oldspace seethe by proving that private companies can do BEO missions.

[Anonymous No.12112511]

>>12112498
It's unproven as a heavy lift rocket

[Anonymous No.12112514]

>>12112463
Well I didn't wanna say it to make him change toppic, but... yes. That's what I was thinking. And something single engine for air-super and intercepting.
I mean the F35 isn't some handmedown for some 2nd world nation that needs "something. And for that it's way too compromising outside peacetime service for anyone even if you'd price them competitively.

[Anonymous No.12112516]

>>12112511
Technically the Falcon 9 is a heavy lift rocket too, which is amazing because it could only put like 10 tons into LEO at first. How did they go from 13.5 -> 22.8 tons into LEO going from V1.1 to FT?

[Anonymous No.12112518]

>>12112511
>It's unproven as a heavy lift rocket

[Anonymous No.12112522]

>>12112514
Saved. Also I want to say I really like the Sr-71 (duh) and the F-14 tomcat is a CUTE

[Anonymous No.12112523]

>>12110955
Wonder how much that wide-fairinged Vulcan Heavy could lift. They could probably build a relatively-cheap SLS replacement out of a Vulcan derivative.

[Anonymous No.12112525]

>>12112516
>How did they go from 13.5 -> 22.8 tons into LEO going from V1.1 to FT?

[Anonymous No.12112527]

>>12112191
I'm not convinced they'll ever fly anything between 20km and orbit

[Anonymous No.12112528]

>>12112412
Was this even feasible? They had to redesign the entire tank for SLS after all.

[Anonymous No.12112529]

>>12112377
>>Most of the future launches are military payloads to GTO
surely that makes it not a meme

[Anonymous No.12112533]

>>12112518
>>12112516
You know what I shouldn't have fallen for you moving the goalposts here >>12112498. We were originally talking about Falcon Heavy not being a super heavy.

[Anonymous No.12112535]

>>12112528
Apparently the Shuttle tank couldn't handle axial loads well enough to be used like a traditional rocket stack. Not sure if that's true or an exaggeration to justify the development costs though.

[Anonymous No.12112538]

>>12112377
There's really not that many customers for yeeting big ass payloads to GTO except for military payloads.

[Anonymous No.12112543]

>>12112533
>Falcon Heavy not being a super heavy
That is true, and I believe this has been apparent for a while given the payload adapter and fineness ratio issues. However, Falcon Heavy is still a heavy lift rocket and is still the most powerful launch vehicle currently flying.

[Anonymous No.12112545]

>>12112529
it's a meme because it got hyped as groundbreaking when it hasn't done much more than the Delta IV heavy. SpaceX is legitimate but they create a lot of hype over essentially saving the US government a bit of money.

[Anonymous No.12112551]

>>12112423
>safer, simpler, sooner
oh how we laughed

[Anonymous No.12112552]

>>12112543
We are in agreement then.
>>12112538
Then why do people who say there's no market for Starship get shouted down?

[Anonymous No.12112557]

>>12112533
I'm >>12112498 and I never claimed it was a super heavy lmao. It's just a heavy. Super heavy is like, Starship, New Glenn (I think), Saturn V. Even Vulcan is just a "heavy". And I guess SLS is super heavy but it's also an anemic hydromeme POS

[Anonymous No.12112560]

>>12112552
>Then why do people who say there's no market for Starship get shouted down?
I wouldn't know about that.
But they're creating their own market as well as it being revolutionary in cost. Starlink hinges on Starship getting off the ground. Do you really think they're getting a full triple shell constellation up and running at 57-60 satellites per F9 launch?
If they get it off the ground and running as intended, that is.

[Anonymous No.12112561]

>>12112552
>Then why do people who say there's no market for Starship get shouted down?
From what I've seen the kind of people who insist on there being no market for rockets as large for Starship usually assume that the market is stagnant and won't change to adapt to a new piece of industry. That assumption can be annoying to deal with.

[Anonymous No.12112562]

>>12112557
>And I guess SLS is super heavy
so heavy it can't fly lmao

[Anonymous No.12112563]

>>12111885
JAXA is basically nip ULA and builds medium lift hydrolox booster-sustainers with Atlas V-tier reliability launching ISS modules, resupply vessels the size of school busses, and NASA-tier exploratory missions while the chinks launch photocopied baseduzes atop hypergolic booster cores that lawn dart into populated areas like something out of the Soviet Union in the early 1960s. There's no comparison whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.12112564]

>>12112545
>a bit of money
$200 million dollars is only a bit of money?

[Anonymous No.12112570]

>>12112562
Yeah, THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL ROCKET*

*with such a fat ass it can barely wheeze itself out of the gravity well with two grocery bags.

[Anonymous No.12112595]

>>12112563
Hell, even ISRO is more impressive to me than the Chinese space program. At least the GSLV Mk3 is basically an a e s t h e t i c fun-sized Titan IV, right down to the fluidic injection thrust vectoring on the SRBs.

[Anonymous No.12112600]

>>12112595

[Anonymous No.12112603]

>>12112595
>trash bag interstage cover

[Anonymous No.12112605]

>>12112595
it's so smol

[Anonymous No.12112606]

>>12112523
This diagram is based. It’s too bad ULA is a faggy scared ass company and they didn’t decide to pursue this without contractors and their $$$$$$$. Imagine if they had drive like SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12112610]

>>12112603
>Hand written "OK" all over the launch tower
How can one rocket family be so based

[Anonymous No.12112612]

>>12112560
>>12112561
Thanks for actually giving a reasoned debate for once instead of screaming "ULA shill".

[Anonymous No.12112614]

>>12112603
fucking honestly, the titan 3 is THE most kerbal looking rocket, it's the single core stage with two massive srb's on the side

[Anonymous No.12112615]

>>12112612
There's more than one person here.

[Anonymous No.12112620]

>>12112595
>>12112563
The Chinese methods may be crude but it gets results

[Anonymous No.12112628]

>>12112620
if killing villagers is the game, longmarch is the name!
longmarch: results (in villager slaying and small scale deforestation), not rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.12112634]

>>12110984
VENUSIAN OOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

[Anonymous No.12112637]

>>12112612
This general does get a fair number of trolls and possible desperate fanboys, especially just before or after a big space flight event. Some posters here get worked up and assume the worst in everyone. It happens.

[Anonymous No.12112643]

>>12112637
>trolls and possible desperate fanboys
both me

[Anonymous No.12112647]

>>12112628
gotta thin out the people with low social credit scores somehow

[Anonymous No.12112653]

>>12112637
>trolls
i pay to be a member of the snt shelby fan club.
orange rocket good

[Anonymous No.12112656]

>>12112522
Very a CUTE. Yes.
But there are things even more a CUTER, like Shibe puppies the MER rovers and F104's

[Anonymous No.12112657]

>>12112653
>orange rocket good
Of course it's good! It gives more jobs to the American aerospace sector than any other rocket program. SpaceX is selfish and keeps its job count low. Meanwhile SLS is so widespread and truly American that anyone can be a part of something greater. Isn't that more inspirational than saving a mere twenty billion dollars?

[Anonymous No.12112663]

>>12112657
lmao

[Anonymous No.12112666]

Who you guys think might be the astronauts that will go in Artemis 2? I hope one of them have a very thick Boston accent.

[Anonymous No.12112667]

>>12112523
Are there any actual real life plans for rockets using asparagus staging?

[Anonymous No.12112669]

To be fair it's fun to once in a while derail a thread that went full circle jerk. I wouldn't think of /sfg/ tbqh, but... I mean this is 4chen.
Now thinking about it, this general is the least hostile place I know here.

[Anonymous No.12112672]

>>12112666
Checked and it will probably be one of the JAXAnauts

[Anonymous No.12112677]

>>12112667

>asparagus staging?

???? What is that?

[Anonymous No.12112680]

>>12112667
holy shit where are you going to need a rocket like that?

[Anonymous No.12112681]

>>12112667
Lmao is this payload trying to do a straight shot out of the solar system or something?

[Anonymous No.12112685]

>>12112680
>>12112681
It actually only has enough delta-v to put that sat into geostationary with about 300 m/s of hydrazine left in the probe. I'm in RSS but not using RO because it's a fucking mess if you want to use anything but the same old boring parts forever.

[Anonymous No.12112688]

>>12112677
Crossfeeding between multiple boosters and dropping them off in pairs for maximum efficiency. One pair of boosters is drained at a time, so when each pair is emptied and staged, the rest of the rocket is still fully-fueled. It's used a lot in KSP.

[Anonymous No.12112693]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2izFjTEBKQ
>Scott Manley thinks Astra is going to fail
F

[Anonymous No.12112699]

>>12112685
share mod for satellite parts pls

[Anonymous No.12112701]

>>12112699
Raidernick

[Anonymous No.12112702]

>>12112685
>can barely make it to GTO with all of that fuel
Kek, you sure you didn’t accidentally fill it with hydrogen anon?

[Anonymous No.12112703]

>>12112677
two or more sideboosters feeding fuel into the center stage while also burning through fuel themselves; i.e. the most efficient way to fly a rocket

[Anonymous No.12112704]

>>12112693
What a fucking racist

[Anonymous No.12112709]

>>12112693
No shit. The brain dead down syndrome lad down at the local pub could deduce their failure if he saw their track record and goals

[Anonymous No.12112711]

>>12112703
>>12112688

Aaah, now I understand, thanks.

[Anonymous No.12112720]

>>12112702
Shit's underperforming as fuck without RO, but this is still early tech tree.

[Anonymous No.12112721]

>>12112720
you do have real fuels though

[Anonymous No.12112729]

>>12112377
falcon heavy flies next year and was selected by the air force.

[Anonymous No.12112730]

>>12112721
Yes, in this case the main rocket is all kerolox, with 2 solid kicks from the raidernick pack that barely have over 1km/s in them, and the rest of the way I use the hydrazine ports.

[Anonymous No.12112774]

>BLM rocket is running out of money
OH NO NO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2izFjTEBKQ

[Anonymous No.12112779]

>>12112774
God, hullo is such a faggot. But he makes really really, really good content.

[Anonymous No.12112780]

>>12112774
Like clockwork lmao

[Anonymous No.12112792]

>>12112774
Brokeness follows wokeness wherever it may go.

[Anonymous No.12112794]

>>12112774
Is it just me or is scott manley looking older recently? He had no wrinkles in his old KSP videos. Now he’s starting to look aged

[Anonymous No.12112799]

>>12112794
Age sneaks up on you like you wouldn't fucking believe. I feel like I've aged 5 years this year alone.
But I've gone through some shit too.

[Anonymous No.12112802]

>>12112195
>>12112310
/k/ Here.
Daily reminder that the trillion dollar figure for the F-35 program is for the total program cost including R&D, procurement, maintenance, and upgrades for a fleet of roughly 2,500 jets until fiscal year 2077 in 2077 inflation adjusted dollars. R&D cost was closer to $50 billion.
As much of a shitshow as the development was, at least the final product is useful. Can't say the same for SLS.

[Anonymous No.12112805]

>>12112802
>at least the final product is useful
Debatable.
t. country that bought the flying turd.

[Anonymous No.12112815]

>>12112802
Its good as ancient harrier replacement for carriers.

[Anonymous No.12112819]

>>12112805
>>12112815

[Anonymous No.12112821]

>>12112049
>you just know

[Anonymous No.12112824]

>>12112819
Totally not rigged in its favor or anything.
Just like how the F-15 was "owned" by the fucking Pajeet flankers, right?
Get the fuck out of here, we know how the MIC works. We know how they rig shit to whine for money and we know how they rig shit to justify all the money they threw away.

[Anonymous No.12112836]

>>12112815
Not for 1.2 trillion. And then consider all the trade-offs if you actually get the jumpjet 35

[Anonymous No.12112839]

>>12112819
How to make /k/tard mad - say F35 is copy of Yak-141.

[Anonymous No.12112844]

>>12112819
Only retarded boomers hate on the f35. When is lockmart going to build a rocket?

[Anonymous No.12112845]

>>12111952
Think this'll be done by the end of the year?

[Anonymous No.12112856]

>>12112845
Yeah

[Anonymous No.12112861]

>>12112794
He drinks beers a lot and has to stress out about raising kids in today's clown world

[Anonymous No.12112862]

>>12112844
>When is lockmart going to build a rocket?
Never ever. They're a glorified tank manufacturer together with Boing in ULA and that's that.
Gotta keep that pork flowing.

[Anonymous No.12112864]

>>12112839
Telling them to lift gets them even angrier

[Anonymous No.12112865]

>>12111952
>>12111953
20km FLIGHT

LETS DO THIS

[Anonymous No.12112909]

>>12112666
devil get, artemis 2 is satan cursed

[Anonymous No.12112926]

>>12112049
God I wish I was that rocket.
I'm in love with la goblina

[Anonymous No.12112929]

>>12111953
>Some fag in there saying it's not as interesting as battery day.
Is somebody going to tell him that everything Elon's been doing, Tesla included is for the purpose of building this and future rockets? He's going to be stuck here on Earf making the soi face about cars and rooftop solar panels while Elon uses them as a vehicle to develop space grade powerpacks and solar cells that can be manufactured at consumer prices for his Mars colony.

[Anonymous No.12112934]

>>12112929
and then, it's curtains for mr and mrs veganworth. the onions must flow.

[Anonymous No.12112939]

>>12112929
I am excited for battery day, but mostly cuz of stonks

[Anonymous No.12112948]

>>12112552
>Starship
If they're able to hit their sub 5 million per launch price, it would be the cheapest rocket on the market per launch, not just cheapest per KG
It would effectively make using any other providers, even Electron pointless, just by virtue of that
With ride share, they could launch hundreds of cubesats for a couple hundred to thousands of dollars each, letting basically anybody afford to launch a satellite into orbit, or launch huge overbuild satellites instead,
Also Starlink will require starship even if starship isn't used heavily for commercial payloads
NASA/ESA could do cool shit with it, like super large space telescopes, a Europa submarine, large venusian floating probes, bus sized Mars rovers and etc

[Anonymous No.12112962]

>>12112049
She's so cute bros. I hope they didn't take her permanently off hosting streams bc of that starlink shit.

[Anonymous No.12112964]

>>12112836
>Not for 1.2 trillion
That’s the projected cost of the entire program over like half a century.

[Anonymous No.12112979]

balloon colonies to study venusian cloud microbes WHEN

[Anonymous No.12112988]

Manned Venus flyby when?

[Anonymous No.12112993]

>>12112988
You got a couple of years to spend getting baked by solar radiation?

[Anonymous No.12112998]

When?

[Anonymous No.12113001]

>>12112993
Yes.
But you can fill the walls of the ship with water and food.

[Anonymous No.12113015]

>>12112993
I mean it's a lot less than an equivalent mars mission, the transit time is about a month shorter and if you go down into the clouds you've got a thicc atmosphere and a decent magnetosphere to protect you down there
plus if you're just doing a flyby you can do some gravity assist bullshit and get the time down even further, the plan for >>12112988 would have only taken a little over a year for the whole journey

[Anonymous No.12113035]

>>12110659
Go on field trips to check out biological and geological formations; even a copse of woods will do. My son has a rock collection and he’s not even two yet

[Anonymous No.12113040]

>>12113035
This, my dad would take me to see cool geology stuff as a kid and it was awesome. Granted we went to places in texas and there was everything from enchanted rock to extinct volcanoes... even dinosaur footprints

[Anonymous No.12113041]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az7DEwG68A
balloon origami JWSTing itself on a manned mission to venus when?

[Anonymous No.12113046]

>>12112939
Is it gonna be yuge? Should I buy stonqs before battery day?

[Anonymous No.12113048]

>>12113041
Better yet, technology for Venus sample return mission when? Serious question. This would be a hard feat but just as cool as a suicide space zeppelin mission

[Anonymous No.12113056]

>>12113040
I highly recommend the "roadside geology" books. There's one for each of the fifty states. It talks about the geological history of each state's region and follows the highways to every cool outcrop and formation there is. Might be a bit heavy for a young reader but will help you as a parent plan on where to go. More likely than not there's some cool geology right by your house.

Once a place is picked for a Moon and Mars base I would love to write the roadside geology for the colonies.

[Anonymous No.12113060]

BALLOON ROCKETS WHEN

[Anonymous No.12113061]

hahahaha americuns are going to fall behind for China.

No, in all seriousness tho, China's progress is shadowing America so hard that I'm considering traveling to China to pledge alligeance to Xi Jinping himself, that way I might be able to fly to Jupiter when the chinese conquer the Jovian system.

What a future for the americans, lmao, all of their sci-fi are coming to life but it's the chinese who are going to conquer the solar system.

[Anonymous No.12113069]

>>12113061
If this is bait this is, funny? I guess.
If this is serious you are quite literally a retard. You are a retarded person. You are so dumb I don't know how you solved the captcha.

[Anonymous No.12113072]

>>12112998
>>12113041
The pilots would be shitting bricks during entry and before engine ignition on the ascent rocket. Not sure what the point of having humans on that blimp would be if they can't even go outside.

[Anonymous No.12113075]

>>12113061
HYPERGOLIC
CHINESE
STARSHIPS

[Anonymous No.12113083]

>>12110844
why the fuck are normies so stupid? do they really think we could of explored the whole moon by sending one flags and footsteps mission?

[Anonymous No.12113090]

>>12112535
my guess is the latter, have to justify the pork some way

SLS is a butchering of DIRECT - they kept American jobs but failed to keep America's dignity, preferring profit over patriotism, so SLS lingered in limbo for nearly a decade

[Anonymous No.12113091]

>>12113041
what's the point if you can't land?

[Anonymous No.12113092]

>putting the heavy fucking hydrolox engines on your spaceplane when it doesnt even carry any fuel for them
BRUH

[Anonymous No.12113094]

>>12110659
I bet you'll end up being angry and abusive towards your kid when it turns out he wants to be a nature photographer

[Anonymous No.12113096]

>>12112964
Yes, one jet sets you back about 75-100 million.
Was that 1, a realization or
2, are you trying to make a point that the single most expensive weapon system in history, outcosting the ISS by a multitude to have a in about every way underperforming maintenance queen, that even Eric Prince, former CEO and founder of Blackwater deemed trash is justifiable by saying R&D doesn't count? Because I'd strongly oppose that. It's like backing a project on kickstarter. You very much pay for the r&d.
(Again if it was 1, dismiss 2. No offense)

[Anonymous No.12113098]

>>12113091
VENUSIAN
CLOUD
MICROBES

[Anonymous No.12113100]

>>12113098
just send a robot blimp

[Anonymous No.12113101]

>>12111046
some of my relatives had this,it was like crack to me

[Anonymous No.12113103]

>>12113090

[Anonymous No.12113106]

>>12113098
W-wait the mist around the Venus is alien to you?

[Anonymous No.12113107]

>>12113060
JPL uses them to test Mars EDL parachutes

[Anonymous No.12113109]

HYPERGOLIC ROCK CANDIES

[Anonymous No.12113117]

>>12113061
All the money in the world not get me on a Chinese craft.
>We recommend you prace checkrist on strip of vercro for time being
>Uh Beijing, we have probrem, we ha--

[Anonymous No.12113121]

What would happen if most rich people would be like Elon? Asking on /sfg/, because people here don't just hate tesla and that's the end of it or have no idea what he actually does.
What would the world look like if a lot of rich people created exciting businesses, invested into childhood dreams, had strong social media presence and acted like humans?
How would that change our world?

[Anonymous No.12113123]

>>12112128
oh snap, elon has a hog

[Anonymous No.12113134]

Guys, could you please laugh?
I was really confident about >>12113106 get it? Because Venus is a word for the female reproductive organ and we are... nerds?
Uuuh, "bazinga "?

[Anonymous No.12113136]

>>12113134
it came off more like esl phrasing

[Anonymous No.12113138]

>>12112377
part of the issue is falon 9 got so much better over time it devoured al ot of Fh's business.

At the start F9 was only rated to chuck up to about 10 tons with a landing, now it's about 15. They optimized the shit out of it.

[Anonymous No.12113145]

>>12113136
hmmm ok. In the future I'll up my meme game. I promise. sry

[Anonymous No.12113147]

>>12113061
*gets crushed by a booster*

[Anonymous No.12113149]

>>12113121
Elon uses almost all of his money towards his projects. he's not the typical billionaire that just keeps all that money with nothing to do. Money alone can't fix the world. Look at all the financial aid that's been sent to Africa over the last decades - nothing has improved.

[Anonymous No.12113151]

>>12112399
If Zubrin got made NASA head during the mid 90s i am convinced we would have nuclear shuttles scooting around the surface of mars right now.

https://youtu.be/vD3U0QcEYXs

[Anonymous No.12113155]

*darkens your clouds*

[Anonymous No.12113158]

>>12113149
>he's not the typical billionaire that just keeps all that money with nothing to do

And that's how you find someone who knows nothing about economy and finances.

What gives you that impression? The screeching leftists saying Jeff Bezos is hoarding money when in fact he doesn't have 200 billion dollars, it's just that other people with money have valued all his properties that much?

[Anonymous No.12113163]

>>12113151
Zubrin and Buzz Aldrin leading NASA in the 90's would have been fun to see

[Anonymous No.12113164]

>>12113121
We'd legitimately already be out in most of the solar system. It can't be understated just how much further along humanity could have moved if most people with means were more ambitious about generating notable achievements outside of personal gain. Not that personal gain is bad, but ambition for more than mere material wealth seems to have mostly died in the west. We need more Edisons just as much as we want more Teslas.

[Anonymous No.12113170]

>>12113121
The whole thing with Tesla feels like a lot of people who have no idea how stuff works in the real world not understanding why when a big company does something wrong it isn't immediately totally dismantled and its owner imprisoned, and that basically big businesses in the USA can play the court system how they like with ease.

Tesla is,unquestionably,guilty of some scummy shit. But the cars are actually pretty good,people like to drive them and they sell well. Tesla brings in lots of tax revenue by creating good jobs. As a result,nation states are now invested in the company doing well and will overlook and not overpunish transgressions. It's very similar to Goldman Sachs-everyone KNOWS thy're fucking evil and they had a direct role in the market crash,but they are still operating and as far a I know,none of their executives went to prison. Tesla isn't THAT evil,but it's the same thing-they're so big and so central to so much potential future revenue that it's in the interests of the state to keep them solvent. This is why TESLAQ is a joke.

[Anonymous No.12113172]

>>12112128
>anglo-japanese space alliance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps should we tell him bros

[Anonymous No.12113175]

>>12113172

[Anonymous No.12113176]

>>12113149
>Money alone can't fix the world. Look at all the financial aid that's been sent to Africa over the last decades - nothing has improved.
That's exactly what I thought about reusable rockets a decade ago
Now Elon seriously tries to build a fully reusable Earth to Mars shuttle craft, 5 years ago and with Space Shuttle's bitter aftertaste still present we'd all have accused him of being completely mental.
With enough money...
And a seriously innovative plan, something that you'd never even consider today and enough dedication to make it work, I'm sure we could have made Africa a way better place with a perspective and means to reach future goals.

This inside the box thinking and realistic pessimism is very reminiscent of this decade, including me. Not gonna lie.

[Anonymous No.12113184]

>>12113083
Normies don’t know the cool shit you can learn from continually studying geology. Even if we went to the Moon continuously since apollo 11 to present day we would still be exploring. I mean look at Earth, geologists are finding out new things about this planet every year and we’ve been on this rock for like 2 million years w/ 200 years of continuous modern geology

[Anonymous No.12113190]

SpaceX landing pads in MS Flight Simulator. Kind of neat, unfortunately none of their facilities are generated accurately. Hopefully a mod gets made

[Anonymous No.12113191]

>>12113069
>>12113147
Hahahah
>>12113151
Nah we would have Mars direct. Imagine a program even shittier than SLS, with even less money going to contractors. Zubrin isn’t a hack or anything but he is stuck in an infinite circlejerk over a bad idea he proposed a long time ago

[Anonymous No.12113193]

>>12112557
new glenn is a heavy

[Anonymous No.12113195]

>>12113193
ur a heavy!

[Anonymous No.12113198]

>>12113190
>MS flight simulator uses bing maps
Microsoft needs to get of their ass and take better renders
Google maps has both higher res renders, and like significantly more cities rendered

[Anonymous No.12113204]

>>12113149
>he's not the typical billionaire that just keeps all that money with nothing to do.

Thats not what any billionaires do lol

[Anonymous No.12113211]

>>12113198
They could also commission real pilots to fly over places of interest with cameras. Some would probably even do it for free just to be the ones who updated the sim with their home aerodrome, for bragging rights, or because they are bored.
I bet you could work out a search pattern style path for a streetview cam strapped under the plane that the algorithm could turn into a 3d landscape.

[Anonymous No.12113218]

>>12113211
or just use drones

[Anonymous No.12113219]

>>12113191
To be fair Mars Direct was/is a really good idea, it’s just that it’s OldSpace in fancy wrapping. We would’ve had like four missions to Mars then nothing

[Anonymous No.12113227]

>>12113190
MSFS terrain for KSP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12113228]

>>12113090
Shuttle-derived goes waaay back anon

http://www.astronautix.com/n/nls.html

[Anonymous No.12113232]

>>12113218
exactly what I thought a second after posting^^ Well planes fly higher and cover more ground, I dunno. And drone shitheads would cause tons of incidents Microsoft probably wouldn't wanna deal with

[Anonymous No.12113237]

By the way what exactly would happen if sb flew a quadcopter to the window of the oval office. They probably won't bring out the C-ram, right? And could they trace it back to the pilot if there was no registration?

[Anonymous No.12113239]

>>12113121
>had strong social media presence
Is that supposed to be a good thing?

[Anonymous No.12113245]

>>12113219
Yes you're right, I take back what I said. Would it be a better comparison to say it would be like lockheed trying to shill their dolphin sex shuttle in 2020 when there are far better alternatives in the modern day? It isn't necessarily BAD... it's just not as good of an idea as it used to be?
(yes apparently this image must show up in every thread, I'm sorry)

[Anonymous No.12113262]

>>12113239
Yeah, no... maybe?
At least beats this hermit crab buy a superyacht like everybody else with 30 crew which can never be seen or heard of, to only tensely monitor your assets all day. I think I can no longer deny to be a bit of an Elon shill, but I think his non formal posts and him being super awkward at presentations and reveals which can be seen on youtube is pretty enjoyable and more interesting than any other famous person or company.

[Anonymous No.12113271]

>>12113227
Orbiter basically has it for Earth, Moon, and Mars.

[Anonymous No.12113288]

>>12113271
Orbiter should have stayed back to 2004 with the boomers

[Anonymous No.12113300]

Signing off for today lads, keep your stick on the ice! Rember, we're all in this together, just now... you, more than me (cus I'm signing off now).

[Anonymous No.12113304]

what's going on? the florida site is going to start producing starships again? https://twitter.com/baserunner0723/status/1304850441969242112

[Anonymous No.12113315]

>>12113121
I wish more were like Elon Musk, but it seems very rare. Robert Zubrin had a good, interesting analysis of Musk's mindset and motivations: He wants to be and die a hero in the Homeric, classical Greek sense, by doing great deeds (and leading and inspiring talented people to do great deeds.)

I think successful civilizations need these types if they are to thrive and keep advancing and not wither away and crumble.

https://youtu.be/UmMvG6fvAEI?t=250

[Anonymous No.12113343]

>>12113096
>Eric Prince, former CEO and founder of Blackwater deemed trash
>boomer infantryman doesn’t understand air combat
I’m sure he wants Super Tucanos and to have the A-10 flying until 2100, but that’s fucking retarded. The F-35 is cheaper and more effective than competitive 4th gens like modern F-15 variants, while retaining flexibility to stay relevant well into the mid century. It fills the same niche that the F-16 did, and the international sales prove it.

[Anonymous No.12113361]

>>12112049
wait wat hap?

[Anonymous No.12113369]

>>12113262
His live presentations are always so bad. In a good way. The fact that he is nervous and awkward make him set him apart from the fake Steve Jobs snake oil salesmen. He always awkwardly announces a product with seemingly impossible goals, and then actually releases it soon after

[Anonymous No.12113379]

>>12113304
First of all, the thumbnail looked like a phase diagram. Triggered my academic PTSD
Second of all, I'm pretty sure this is for Falcon 9's?

[Anonymous No.12113383]

defund white people

[Anonymous No.12113384]

you DO remember how to use me, right?

[Anonymous No.12113395]

>>12113379
first starship will be called MGTOW
Martians Going Their Own Way

[Anonymous No.12113485]

>>12113395
clever

[Anonymous No.12113521]

>>12110838
>that guy was a real jerk

[Anonymous No.12113530]

>>12110838
Arooooo... Shut up and start paying those contractors before you upset Agnew!

[Anonymous No.12113537]

>KSP Career mode
>Can barely make it to orbit
I don’t know how I’m going to go to the moon

[Anonymous No.12113542]

>>12113379
Is another Falcon 9 processing facility on the Cape really necessary? Their current system seems to work. Plus, I thought I remembered talk of a KSC Starship assembly location while they were still building the prototype at Cocoa.

[Anonymous No.12113566]

watching lori garver argue with that sls stan on twitter is something to behold

[Anonymous No.12113580]

>>12113566
Looking through her Twitter, why do we hate her? She'd kill SLS in a heartbeat if given the chance.

[Anonymous No.12113585]

>>12113537
just eyeball it

[Anonymous No.12113595]

>>12113580
while she's 100% right on SLS, she wants nasa to be primarily focused on earth/climate science, at the detriment even to flagship deep space missions and human spaceflight. she is not a fan of human spaceflight in general, sls or no sls

[Anonymous No.12113599]

>>12113537
How can you not get to orbit? You should have unlocked enough parts after just EVAing all over the base. Also don't play career mode, play science mode instead, trust me you'll regret it later when you're playing a space wagie flying tourists into boring orbits just to make enough cash for a real mission.

[Anonymous No.12113606]

>>12113599
>EVAing all over the base
Can you explain this I'm new to KSP

[Anonymous No.12113613]

>>12113580
>>12113595
and she's the runner up for nasa admin if biden wins. scary stuff

[Anonymous No.12113624]

>>12113606
Okay you know you can take an EVA report for science points right? If you didn't know that, well now you do. Get your dude to get out of the spaceship and when you click on him there should be an option for an EVA report.
So EVA reports, like other science experiments, get points for being performed in different biomes and altitudes. If you didn't know that, then I guess now you do as well.
Well each building in the base actually counts as a seperate biome, so you can take an EVA report from each building in the base (And other types of science reports too I guess) to get a tonne of points without ever having to leave the planet.

[Anonymous No.12113641]

>>12113624
I didn't know each building counts as different biomes. I just did a suborbital flight to the north pole to get science since I'm struggling to unlock the 90 science part of the tech tree

[Anonymous No.12113735]

>>12112170
>>12112195

Nothing is as corrupt as the fucking Littoral Combat Ship program. Not even close. A bunch of geriatric, completely out of touch with the world admirals, thinking it's still the fucking Cold War wasting decades of times, billions upon billions of dollars, killing THREE DESTROYER PROGRAMS, and relentlessly funnelling more and more gibs into Northrop and General Dynamic's never ending maw of gibs so they can keep building the absolute death trap that is the Arleigh Burke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

They scrapped the rail gun program over this. They killed the Arsenal ship over this. They killed the DDGX over this. They killed the Zumwalt over this. And for what? Two fucking cucked pieces of shit with zero combat effectiveness, next to no blue water capabilities, to combat a threat that will never materialize ever again.

I FUCKING HATE THE ADMIRALTY OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY.

[Anonymous No.12113738]

>>12113537
just burn prograde at munrise

[Anonymous No.12113746]

>>12111181
False propaganda.
Boeing received half the funding spacex received, so far spacex is twice as expensive as boeing.

[Anonymous No.12113749]

>>12111375
Bitch they already gave spacex 9 billions.

[Anonymous No.12113770]

>>12113595
>>12113613
I know nothing about her other than what i’ve just learned in this thread... but what kind of cunt doesn’t even support flagship solar system missions and makes it this far into NASA? Is obama fucked in the head? Is this woman fucking brain dead? I can accept liberals not wanting human spaceflight; but if you don’t even want solar system missions you deserve to fall into lava with all your diamonds without sleeping in a bed at your house in minecraft. Also a rope

[Anonymous No.12113813]

A new oldspace thread is here.

>>12113805
>>12113805
>>12113805

[Anonymous No.12113915]

>>12110487
>rocket dedicated to niggers
>explodes
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.12113952]

>>12112839

[Anonymous No.12114033]

>>12113952
>Flight Highschool thread on /a/
>Flight Highschool posts in /sci/
is this what they call "viral marketing"?

[Anonymous No.12114062]

>>12113749
Yeah, but not for this. This is not even crumbs from the big lads table.

[Anonymous No.12114225]

>>12113343
None of that makes sense.
You're a fucking idiot.