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Was there ever a conclusion to all those threads on the bell curve that used to be posted here a lot? Are blacks actually low iq overwhelmingly due to genetics?

>> No.12104627

Yes. The argument now is that iq is a poor metric. It's not

>> No.12104826

>>12104569
The Bell Curve doesn't say this. It says IQ results from a mixture of environmental and genetic factors but that they don't know which is more influential.

>> No.12104881

>>12104569
>Was there ever a conclusion to all those threads on the bell curve that used to be posted here a lot?
Yes. The Bell Curve is real.
Are blacks actually low iq overwhelmingly due to genetics?
No, but women are.

>> No.12104888

>>12104569
Yes and now they're trying to cope that iq doesn't mean anything

>> No.12104894

>>12104569
>I'm so quirky
>Look at me
>Autistic people flap their hands when excited
Jesus Christ. Is there a thing more cringy than women pretending to be autistic when they're clearly not?

>> No.12104899

>>12104894
>Is there a thing more cringy than women pretending to be autistic when they're clearly not?
autistic men pretending NOT to be autistic when they clearly are

>> No.12104988 [DELETED] 

>>12104569
Wow autistic women are also tiktok attention whores, there goes my relationship plans.

>> No.12104991

>>12104881
possibly based post

>> No.12105018

>>12104569
Yawn. The epigenetic expression of genes is mainly due to environmental factors. Race is only relevant in this discussion due to the socio-economic effects that goes along with it.

See "The Selfish Gene" and "The Extended Phenotype" for sources and more info.

/thread

>> No.12105024

If blacks are such low IQ why do they have so many kids and are probably the future of the human race?
Check mate

>> No.12105062

>>12104899
Yes. I agree. That is so annoying. I hate it when I see autistic men pretending not to be autistic when they really are. That is why I am so fortunate to not be autistic myself.

>> No.12105100

>>12105024
Because there is another race behind this, it's like saying that victorious pawns in a chessboard are the real geniuses, when in reality the player moving the pieces is the genius (or not, but definitely is more intelligent than the pawns).

>> No.12105144
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>>12104569
These things are pretty well established amongst serious academics who have an expertise in psychometrics.
>IQ is very much a real metric that represents intelligence
>Blacks as a population have a mean IQ that is lesser than the mean IQ of Whites (along with every other race)
>Women as a population, are characterized as having a greater mean IQ than the population of men (See related image prior to raging)
>IQ values are the result of both genetics and environment influence.
>The currently contentious piece of IQ literature is precisely how much of intelligence is determined by environment versus genetics. Both are significant but the percentile of influence is currently the contentious part of the argument.

>> No.12105196

>>12105144
some imbecile said this graphic has no credible source

>> No.12105209

>>12105018
>/thread
No you fucking retard. All you did was cope post.

>> No.12105213

>>12105018
>The epigenetic expression of genes is mainly due to environmental factors.
wrong. the underlying sequence is still in control. for instance with methylation only a and c can be methylated. methyl transferase alleles also show differences in activity. motifs also effect binding.

>> No.12105226

>>12105144
>Women as a population, are characterized as having a greater mean IQ than the population of men (See related image prior to raging)
Do you even know how to interpret the image you posted? It shows the same mean IQ for men and women, with a higher proportion of women at the mean. Fucking dumbass

>> No.12105234

>>12105196
But has it?

>> No.12105242

I think we should pay people with an very high IQ to breed with woman. And as better you score as more you get. Cause its genetic!!!

>> No.12105243

>>12105242
no.

>> No.12105248

>>12105144
What's interesting is to line this up with female mate selection patterns. Women seem to have a high level of disdain for males more than one standard deviation to the right of the mean. This end up with women mostly getting with men who are their intellectual inferiors. Only those women who manage to snag a man in the 100-115 IQ range do well for themselves (much like men above 115 IQ, the women at that level also tend to have issues with social interaction). The rest end up frustrated with husbands and boyfriends who act like morons comparatively.

>> No.12105251

>>12105243
Yes and you get extra points if you score in other intellectual areas. Even if you do all your life nothing, its you duty to pay that people. Who will save you if we ever encounter an other civilization, for sure not you!

>> No.12105256

>>12105226
>Fucking dumbass
You're very eager to become angry, fascinating. That's correct. I misspoke in my previous reply. There's significantly more borderline retarded men than women, however, there's also significantly more intellectually gifted men than women.

If you take a random man and a random woman out of a population to complete a mildly complex task, (i.e. working as a receptionist) the man is more likely than the woman to be incapable of performing the task proficiently.

>> No.12105266

>>12105242
This is done indirectly through genius sperm banks. Women love the idea of having a highly intelligent offspring but either can't stomach being with a highly intelligent man or can't get access to them. At a genius sperm bank they can get the genetic reproductive material of a high IQ man without dealing with the costs associated with being in a relationship with one.
Too bad for these women that most of these specialist sperm banks are run by the ethically challenged. Both genius sperm banks and Olympian sperm banks have been found peddling the sperm of average men instead of the advertised product.

>> No.12105275

>>12104569
Yes.

>> No.12105281

>>12104569
>Blacks lower average IQ
>IQ is 85~% genetic
>"But it's due to cultural reasons!"
Culture is downstream from genetics

>> No.12105282

>>12104569
The Bell Curve outright lied and manipulated data in order to push its agenda. It was also funded by literal Nazis through shell companies in an effort to 'Legitimize' their rhetoric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo

>> No.12105283

>>12105282
>It's agenda
The bell curve is mostly not about race at all
>muh nazis funded
The nazis funded the modern day chemistry giants, tech giants and Coca Cola. Now what?

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>>12105248
You raise an interesting point, but I am not so sure it's correct. There isn't necessarily a disdain from women for men who have an IQ >115. Rather than a critical cut off, I believe it would be more accurate to say: Women have a disdain for men who are more than one standard deviation from them. There is a significant proportion of humans with an IQ > 115, and they are often found together. For example, you're unlikely to have success in STEM if you have an IQ below 115.
A random observation with absolutely no data known literature supporting it, but it seems that women with a 100 +/- 5 IQ are very likely to settle down with a man who is their intellectual inferior. In women with an IQ > 105 this seems much less common.

>> No.12105293

post the one with the slutty autistic girl who goes to the movie theater

>> No.12105392

>>12105288
You might be correct. The outcome is mainly the same but your reasoning does line up well with the assertation that people two SDs away from each other find it nearly impossible to communicate beyond the most trivial. For romantic relationships, the need to be within one SD from each other might be the case as it is a much more intimate situation requiring a higher degree of understanding of each other.

>> No.12105401

>>12104569
Anyone who doubts blacks are incredibly dumb must not have lived in a black majority area, seriously the shit you see these people do on a daily basis will hurt your head. I was born in a poor white area and yet we didnt have the level of rape, stabbings, shootings, child abductions, or drug gangs that blacks do have so I dont buy poverty as the reason they act so uncivilized consistently in black majority cities in the US.

>> No.12105779

>>12105144

>>The currently contentious piece of IQ literature is precisely how much of intelligence is determined by environment versus genetics. Both are significant but the percentile of influence is currently the contentious part of the argument.

What do you mean by this?

What environmental factors affect it? And why each time I refer to "the g factor" I get called a racist pos? Was his research bad?

>> No.12105789

>>12105288
Do you have data to back this up?

Because from experience inteligence means shit when against charisma (mostly) and them believing that you are a high value man.

There might be an association but not a correlation.

Matting as far as I'm aware depends solely on provider/protection instincts and ovulation tends to pull them more towards one or another depending on if they are ovulating or not.

>> No.12105804

>>12105293
You have my attention.

>> No.12105811

>>12105144
>The currently contentious piece of IQ literature is precisely how much of intelligence is determined by environment versus genetics.
It's 31% vs 69%.

>> No.12105892

>>12104569
Scientists here. I'm also a left, but any 4chan standard. I'm also aware that the general public (i.e., everyone here) makes a lot of assumptions and implications from random graphs that don't actually make sense in the broader context.
IQ is a general good measure of intelligence.
Most people, however, doesn't know what "intelligence" means, and ascribes it to just about anything. I'd suggest reading up on exactly what an IQ test is and what it does and does not correlate with.
Second, if you have two populations, they will differ in intelligence. They have to, otherwise they aren't two different populations, they're literally the same measurement. What matters is whether they statistically differ. We use frequentist statistics, which is bullshnicky but works for dumb people scientists who don't into math. We essentially say "Lets say white people IQ is the same as black people IQ. If that's the case, is the chance that we pull black people IQ from this distribution greater than 1/20?" If so, its significant.
IQ is significantly different between white and black people. It's been measured. That's not controversial.
The controversy is what that information represents, and whether it actually matters or not. Also, everyone is retarded and thinks "significantly different" = "important effect size difference". You can't get effect size from a p-value.
If the majority of the black and white population IQ values overlap, it really doesn't matter, unless that effect is driven by some external means, i.e., environment.
If you want to know how retarded people are and why the general public shouldn't speculate, I see people all the time say "80% of IQ is explained by genetics and 20% by environment" and sit back, thinking what they said was "80% of IQ is determined by your genetics and environment can only contribute 20%". This is completely wrong, by definition of course. But retards wouldn't understand why.

>> No.12105904

>>12105892
cont.
Of course, its all about the *implications*. These numbers/things don't exist in a vacuum, and there is often an agenda behind them.
The most obvious is "why black vs white people?" Seeing as how Asians have a higher IQ than white people, its strange to focus on a two-race comparison instead of all-race comparison.
Further, if Asian people are smarter than white people, so what? Does that make white people sub-human? Any application of "race 1 is lower IQ than race 2, and therefore it explains Y" is usually unfounded, and (at least what seems to be the case) is pushing race-hate based on IQ. If that's the case, shouldn't all white people who aren't Ashkenazi jewish be rounded up and put away? But of course not- usually IQ only "matters" in black vs white people ala
>>12105401

>> No.12105951

>>12105904
The problem that reoccurs with IQ discussion is the statements alluding to, IQ = Metric for human value. That is obviously misguided, if not malicious. However, pretending IQ has no social implications is very-much 'retarded', speaking in your gauche terms.
IQ has pretty obvious social implications that cannot be ignored. The result of ignoring, and even outright rejecting them is evident today. Why are specific races under/over represented in academia, crime, athletics, etc? There are common racial group that make populations more suitable for given environments. We recognize biological differences that result in blacks being over-represented in athletics relative to all other races, there is no cries of discrimination. Suddenly, when we view academia - this all changes. We're catering social programs to black because they are under represented in University. They aren't underrepresented due to discrimination though, there is an IQ disparity that explains it. Similarly, asians are suffering because they are deemed over represented arbitrarily in university.
Do you see the social implications of social scientists being too cowardice to actually conduct research, report findings, and discuss IQ? World changing social policies are being made simply because people are afraid to be depicted as racists. Blacks are likely only targeted by these threads because they're the race which receives the most handouts via affirmative action.

>> No.12106026

>>12105951
>IQ = Metric for human value
This train of thought is inevitable in a secular society. If there is no soul to make us special and unique then the most powerful brain is just better.

>> No.12106047

>>12106026
It's a metric of speed in which you can problem solve complex problems. This very translates to economic productivity, which happens to be an objective metric that people compare themselves by in our society. My point is, we can't simply dispose of everybody < 115 IQ. We shouldn't handfeed them via social programs, but we should provide passive support and encouragement to work hard. If under those circumstances they cannot be self-sufficient, I think natural selection should take care of them.

>> No.12106075

>>12105951
>IQ has pretty obvious social implications that cannot be ignored.
You state this without fact.
If we ignore IQ, I imagine that there would be no "obvious social implications".
>There are common racial group that make populations more suitable for given environments.
I don't understand this statement. Can you elaborate.
> We recognize biological differences that result in blacks being over-represented in athletics relative to all other races
citation needed. You seem to be drawing from an inherent personal belief. It's quite obvious that if we compare white vs black athlete differences, we should see a much lower representation of black people in sports than we do now, and much higher white, just like we should expect a lower percent of white people in CEO/tech positions and a higher percent of black people.
Socioeconomic factors are the big driver. Genetics takes a very large backseat.
Also
>there is no cries of discrimination.
is feigned ignorance. Why do you believe there are no cries of discrimination? Is it because you don't see them on 4chan?
>We're catering social programs to black because they are under represented in University.
Yes, the hardest pill to swallow by some it seems. If there is an inherent, unconcious bias, the only way to correct that is to purposefully create a counter-bias until it is corrected. We aren't there yet.
>They aren't underrepresented due to discrimination though, there is an IQ disparity that explains it.
Again, you have 0 citations here. I'll refer back to my notion of effect size; retards like you think in black/white, all or nothing, "either smart or not", when the overlap in IQ is very high between black and white. If you expect a difference in under-representation my margin X due to a difference in IQ by margin Y, you'll see they don't line up well.

>> No.12106096

>>12105951
>Do you see the social implications of social scientists being too cowardice to actually conduct research
I bet you don't read the literature at all. I bet you get this idea/information from anonymous poster on 4chan, no matter how hard you'd like to justify otherwise. You see edge-case postings in little infographs and think "that is the norm, since its all I see (on 4chan)". You don't actually have any realistic grasp on publishing in sociology.
IQ and genetic studies are reported constantly in top-tier journals. I know this because one of my favorite studies in recent memory, about genetic differences in a population of pacific islanders vs. other races (geographical origin mind you) which leads to difference in air-lung adaptation, is from Cell. You don't read them because you aren't a scientist studying these topics, and you most certainly don't seek them out. You wait for someone to hand you whatever spoonfeeding they want you to see, and then sit back and say "well I don't see anything that says otherwise" without any research yourselves.
>Blacks are likely only targeted by these threads because they're the race which receives the most handouts via affirmative action.
Or more likely an inherited culture from the US's pretty bad past with black people, and affirmative action seeks to correct the socialeconomic damage done. Its supposed to be biased. Ironically, the more racist shit gets thrown out, the more "proof" that there IS bias against black people and affirmative action is needed.
Mind you, I don't 100% agree with affirmative action in its current implementation, nor do I agree with half the shit the crazy leftists support. I'm not centrist, I'm left-leaning, but I'm certainly not radical.

>> No.12106129

>>12104569
Yes and yes.
Anything else is cope.
Check'em

>> No.12106169

IQ=upstanding of language.

If you take an IQ test in english.

Your score reflects your understanding of the english language.


If you take an IQ test. In the language corisponding to Korean. Then that there is your understanding.

If you score is higher with Korean vs English. You know which language you understand better.

If you take 5 IQ test in five different languages. You add the sums. Divide by 5. And there is your average IQ.

Which explains why foreigners usely do better in america. Because they study English words in more depth then American students do on average. Because Americans believe they understand English. Well enough not to dissect it thoroughly.

>> No.12106183

>>12106096
Give exact metrics for determining when this damage from the past has been corrected or fuck off. Blacks will continue to say they're held down by the past until the heat death of the universe if you let them. Every other group has been oppressed and overcome it. Black never do because people like you tell them to keep thinking of themselves as enfeebled victims. Go look in the mirror if you want to know who's really hurting black people.

>> No.12106202

>>12106169
I only recall one section with vocab when they tested my old school and the rest was pattern recognition and some spatial and mathematic questions

>> No.12106222

>>12105144
>serious academics who have an expertise in psychometrics
Which all in all is about as worthwhile as a PhD in augury.

>> No.12106611

>>12104826
Ive read that it could also be related to those individual groups who are more subject to isolation in comparison to others who are in constant contact with outside groups.

>> No.12106618

>>12104569
Since when do autistic girls wear belly shirts

>> No.12106624

>>12104894
>>12104899
>when the actual autists you know can't even function in society let alone get excited by mini coopers.
Man what an austist this gall is whew

>> No.12106680

>>12106202


Yes. Pattern recognition.

But the sentences. Are in your language.

Ei. A circle could be a square or an oval. But an oval cannot be a square or circle. And a rectangle. Can be an oval.

What group does a square belong too.

Yes it is a pattern. But the sentence is in english. I have done purely pattern test. With no words. But my high school computer teacher gave my friend and I. An IQ test. Because we slacked off. (And looking for iq test online is annoying as shit. Because every site. Wants your email or something to show you your results. And no class ever gave an IQ. Besides my computer teacher. And he only had me and my computer partner attempt it. Not the whole class. And SAT. Is a stand group testing... so it is lucky you had a school that gave a broad IQ test to everyone and almost every question had a sentence attached. )

If a just give you pictures. With out sentences. To describe what you should answer. How do you know?How to answer the question correctly?

>> No.12106998

>>12106680
>If a just give you pictures. With out sentences. To describe what you should answer. How do you know?How to answer the question correctly?
By using your intelligence.

>> No.12107029

>>12105242
Too bad it's inherited more from the mother

>> No.12107031

>>12106618
when theyre traps

>> No.12107032

>>12105281
Intelligence is ~80% inheritable, that doesn't mean group differences are the result of genetics you absolute midwit

>> No.12107049

>>12105892
The difference is an entire standard deviation, that makes a huge difference in the amount of gifted individuals and borderline retards.
It's incredibly important because the disparity in standardized testing, crime rates, life style related illnesses, poverty, and general life outcome between whites and blacks are either the result of systematic discrimination, or natural group differences.

>> No.12107056

>>12107032
Heritable*
Not inheritable. God I hope you aren't statistical literacy illiterate.

>> No.12107950

>>12104569
I think it's economics also... You can't do correct sutdies until we'll have kids raise by AI without humans,.

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Low iq and high criminality tightly correlates to level of lead found in someone's blood stream.
The longer lead is in the blood stream and the earlier the age it gets introduced the more damage it causes.
Lead poisoning is rampant across the world (Flint wasn't even nearly the worst for lead in the US).
Lead contamination is primarily a problem for low income communities
Low iq and high criminality correlates with low income status.

It's the circle of liiifffeee