Is there a biological reason for this?

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Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:06:23 2020 No.12089354 [DELETED]

Is there a biological reason for this?

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:08:57 2020 No.12089362

>>12089354
disease and parasite burden, overabundance of nutritious fruits and tubers, lots of easily accessible game, too many super predators and megafauna herbivores to compete with (elephants were literally more ecologically dominant than humans for most of history in africa), very low neanderthal admixture, god hates dark skinned peoples.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:30:38 2020 No.12089410 >>12089354 >more thinly-veiled racism masquerading as """science""" go back to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:31:38 2020 No.12089411 >>12089362 also racist asshole. get rekt. fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:35:26 2020 No.12089419 >>12089362 >god hates dark skinned peoples. why is he so evil?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:37:50 2020 No.12089426 >>12089354 yup its called you're a retarded alt righter and need to go kill yourself for mistaking /sci/ with /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:50:24 2020 No.12089455 >>12089354 What are those numbers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 18:53:52 2020 No.12089462 >>12089410 >>12089411 t. negro

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:02:32 2020 No.12089475

>>12089455
Average IQ scores.

Spergs have been sperging out about them for decades now. Nobody has any doubts that everything about our bodies has been changed by evolution, but only the capacity of the brain supposedly remained completely equal between all people.
Spergs are seething, since every bit of information we have supports the opposite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:06:56 2020 No.12089481 >>12089410 telling him to go back to /pol/ is not going to change the statistics

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:07:57 2020 No.12089483 File: 248 KB, 2048x1152, 5435.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089455

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:08:19 2020 No.12089484 POOP POOP POOP

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:15:13 2020 No.12089499

>>12089354
Yes. SAT difference between whites and blacks is the same for all income brackets; around 120 points. The IQ difference between the two is deepened if blacks dont live in whites societies, but it would even deeper if whites didnt have to carry blacks as a burden
>>12089475
Blacks (all the black races, they are very genotypically distinct but phenotypically similar) and non-blacks diverged in evolution 100k years ago

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:19:47 2020 No.12089508 >>12089426 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:28:59 2020 No.12089522 File: 46 KB, 791x520, 1444980083653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089354 >Is there a biological reason for this? yes but you can't talk about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:31:09 2020 No.12089524 >>12089522 thats an old chart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:32:35 2020 No.12089526 >>12089524 Nothing has changed in the last 30 years

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:33:34 2020 No.12089528 >>12089524 Sadly, no amount of progressive policy has been able to change it much. The new solution is to discredit IQ and simply ignore things or vilify anyone who researches this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:34:15 2020 No.12089531 >>12089526 >>12089528 link to new chart?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:36:25 2020 No.12089534 >>12089354 IQ is the capacity to recognize patterns. Knowing how to read increases it significantly, and memorizing 700 characters to read (china) increases it even more. It's not a good gauge of intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:38:19 2020 No.12089539 >>12089534 >IQ is the capacity to recognize patterns. yet /pol/'s iq is one of the lowest among the boards

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:39:06 2020 No.12089543 >>12089531 Good luck finding data on that in this current political climate. People lose careers over this shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:39:27 2020 No.12089546 >>12089539 Obsessed niggerfaggot >>12089508 >>12089426 samecuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:41:43 2020 No.12089551 >>12089539 It's true, /pol/ is an awful place full of retards but that doesn't change the facts. /pol/ is basically the white version of black twitter

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:43:25 2020 No.12089555 >>12089546 truth hurts

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 19:59:23 2020 No.12089589 >>12089551 >>12089555 obsessed you'll never pass

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 20:01:50 2020 No.12089594 File: 185 KB, 493x471, 1596682723423.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089354 >Richard Flynn's bullshit data

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 20:17:30 2020 No.12089635

>>12089354
>duhh iq duhh look at my smart map duhh im so smart look duhh

cope u /pol/tard, if u were born in malnutrition and poverty u would be more of a retard than u r now. And still, many ppl in those poor countries score higher than u. So u cope with ur /pol/tard posts online to hide under ur blanket with nothing better to do than cry about ur small dick and small brain. Grow some balls and read some real science, it will surprise u to find out that ur /pol/tard theories are based on the turd of imbeciles like u

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 20:23:54 2020 No.12089647

>>12089410
>we need to flood Western countries with sub Saharan males just to make SURE we aren’t racist. If in the EXTREMELY unlikely event the racists are right and the Jews promoting this are truly Satan’s chosen psychopaths we’ll all be too blacked and retarded to be able to look back and realize how disastrously wrong we were

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 20:28:33 2020 No.12089660 >>12089647 interesting. those were the same words said by the romans towards the visigoths. sure the roman empire fell but at least we got germany.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 20:33:37 2020 No.12089679
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>>12089635
>born in malnutrition and poverty
Ah yes Africa, were there is no arable land, no resources, no packs of wild meat just roaming around in vast numbers, no edible plants growing anywhere

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 21:23:58 2020 No.12089808 >>12089660 >but at least we got germany. Oh, yeah...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 21:29:21 2020 No.12089814 >>12089679 https://youtu.be/JcJ8me22NVs

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 21:32:58 2020 No.12089825 >>12089660 >everyone is the same in the inside if I’m too stupid or cowardly to tell the difference. evolution is only skin deep Imagine being this scared of reality or going against social norms

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 21:43:36 2020 No.12089845
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I read that gun germs and steel book and he argued we couldn't use a "civilized" analysis of intelligence with part of the population of new guinea as they have completely different uses for intelligence.

For example they could probably go through a jungle and list uses for all the mushrooms and hunt xyz with specific tools for each whilst we would all be bumfuck lost.

although if the asian population are more likely to be lactose intollerant due to genetics, specific groups of people could be genetically destined idiots. Maybe I'm one of them

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 21:50:26 2020 No.12089857 File: 20 KB, 572x536, skulls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089354 How do evolution deniers explain evolution stopping at the neck?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 21:52:24 2020 No.12089862 >>12089814 If they are so competent, why don't they just take their country back like many whites and asians did?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 22:00:48 2020 No.12089895 >>12089862 They're in massive amounts of debt to the Chinese, massive amounts. China could do completely take over Africa and there's nothing the west could do.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 22:01:53 2020 No.12089898
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To anyone out here that still cares about the quality of the posts on this board, remember to apply the I.H.R technique on these threads:
>identify /pol/ threads
>hide /pol/ threads
>report /pol/ threads

For the /sci/ oldfags:
Identifying these bait threads is pretty easy, with just reading the title and the content you can rapidly infer what actual discussion do they want to have and what narrative do they want to push. Do not waste time on arguing, either hide and report or shitpost it into oblivion. We must stop playing naïve; it is not "IQ thread", it is "we want to shit on niggers"; it is not "Climate change", it is "I want to speak pseudoscience". It is obviously common that these threads will relate to some political discussion (mainly those related to sex and race). Again, we are not /pol/ #2, this board should be math and science discussion, not whether or not you think masks are useful based on your dogma. Recognizing these threads and understanding that they are not science is the first step into solving this problem.

For the /pol/acks:
>inb4 boogeyman
You will answer that no matter how many times someone points that out; you will always say it in order to deflect obvious truth: that the post was done without the intention to discuss scientific inquiry and that it aims to uphold racism. Being here, it is not our duty to be against racism, but it is also not our duty to support it, much less dedicate 300 daily bait threads per week.
>"you So y for posting this" [insert wojak]
Dismissible.
>Cringe
Dismissible.
>libtard/leftist/whatever
Dismissible.
>automatic buzzword (rent free, you are not a woman, etc)
Dismissible.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 22:03:27 2020 No.12089900

>>12089895
Cool, you took the shittiest country in Africa, while the rest of them still have similar IQ, and the ones doing slightly better have a superior economy, which proves IQ and development
No, IQ doesnt depend on instruction, retard, how many times do we have to over that?
Learn to use basic logic, watch some real intelectuals like destiny and vaush, I know you enjoy those

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 22:04:05 2020 No.12089903 >>12089898 Why do you simp for niggers?

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 22:05:58 2020 No.12089904
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>>12089814
My heart bleeds anon, but this doesn't back up your argument that we can pump more food and aid into Africa and it'll become wakanda.
The western induced population boom is responsible for the poverty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 22:06:47 2020 No.12089905 >>12089898 Nice LARP, you are not an oldfag, just a faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 23:20:33 2020 No.12090078 File: 447 KB, 600x773, c84.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089898 This isn't reddit, we're not banning topics you don't want discussed. If you can't handle IQ threads just stay out of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 00:18:45 2020 No.12090204 File: 520 KB, 1024x1984, 1521341793784.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089589 You spend all day talking about blacks.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 00:25:02 2020 No.12090218
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>>12090078
Racism is against the rules (rule 3). People would like to discuss more important things. I don't care about black people dicks or iq. so please stop spamming this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 00:28:09 2020 No.12090224 >>12089903 noones simping for anyone youre just annoying and very retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 01:12:53 2020 No.12090287 >>12089354 Shit and biased data gathering. It's not sky high but far from bring this low.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 01:13:24 2020 No.12090288 >>12090218 Is it racist to point out scientific data? Maybe we should be looking at the data and taking it into account while trying to figure out ways to improve peoples lives. Ignoring it hasn't worked.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 01:24:37 2020 No.12090314

>>12090288
But using faulty data for your narrative is racist. I assume with this knowledge you would like to kill all blacks and Hispanic. You guys don't believe in meritocracy.

Your the kind of person that spaz out over crime statistics when obesity, vehicle accidents and suicide cause more harm to humanity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 01:42:32 2020 No.12090347 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUxntxeajsE Evolution applies to humans as well you fucking midwits.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 01:59:03 2020 No.12090371

>>12090288
Be case a lot of scientific data gets misconstrued by people to promote a superiority agenda such as painting conclusions that say "we need more data/inconclusive" as something that proves x is dumb/evil/ etc.

Also if we do end up living in a world where government and international polices regarding populations are based upon bad science you can justify defunding education for any non upper class folk in a western country as beneficial which would lead into slippery slope..

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:02:20 2020 No.12090378 >>12090218 >"Racism is against the rules" >posts racist infographic Hypocrite. Also rule 7: no abusing the reporting system like by reporting threads because you're butthurt other people are discussing something. Double hypocrite.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:03:23 2020 No.12090380

>>12089354
>Is there a biological reason for this?
yeah it's because your mom and sisters all are made for and like BBC and you have micropenis and no one will ever love you.
Now run along back to /po/ with your racist bullshit and cry to them about it we don't give a shit. Stupid faggot.
Also post IQ test results with timestamp. I'm sure you're a 75 IQ moron.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:12:23 2020 No.12090395 >>12089362 a completely non-racist, anthropological observation and you get called racist for it... well there's your last bit, but come on

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:12:40 2020 No.12090396

>>12090314
So you make a post claiming that IQ results are bunk despite: https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html
Then you go right from that to saying I want to kill all blacks and hispanics.
You're a fucking moron, barely worth responding to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:14:09 2020 No.12090401 >>12090378 I never report nor am I butthurt. I just want to last a day without hearing a schizo rambling about black people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:17:54 2020 No.12090414 >>12090396 Lynn data is obviously bunked.for Vietnam he used vietnamese Americans and assumed a higher number. But let just say all black are 70-80 iq what shall we do to improve people lives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:22:11 2020 No.12090426 >>12090414 Why don't we just become the aliens? Set up a massive containment zone in Africa, don't let them leave or know there is an outside world, and just wait for them to evolve.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:29:49 2020 No.12090443

>>12090414
>But let just say all black are 70-80 iq what shall we do to improve people lives.
A brutal and honest appreciation of what it means to be 85 IQ would be a good start.
We could try stopping pandering and start demanding until things catch up. Stop promoting a culture that tears everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Blacks were better off in the racist 1950's than they are now. Welfare has destroyed black families.
Black people who are achievers are torn down and called "uncle Toms" or accused of being "white"
Instead of attacking "whiteness" as something evil, it should be embraced

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:39:05 2020 No.12090462

>>12090414
This is my post here >>12090443
but I want to add something.
Race relations were doing really well only a few decades ago. We were actually heading to a bright future for all.
Left wing identity politics has put an end to that, not just an end but a giant fucking wedge.
I really do wish that one day you can step out of the bubble and see what they're doing to all of us with this post modern critical theory bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 02:45:16 2020 No.12090474 >>12090401 >I never report False reporting was advocated in >>12089898 >just want to last a day without hearing a schizo rambling about black people Don't click on the threads then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 03:52:48 2020 No.12090610 >>12090314 yeah the data is false. there is no difference in the cognitive abilities of different racial groups https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClBRaretEk

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 03:58:07 2020 No.12090620 >>12090426 >"Set up a massive containment zone in Africa, don't let them leave or know there is an outside world, and just wait for them to evolve." >despite the west being reliant on Africa unironically. Way to shoot yourself in the foot

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 03:59:25 2020 No.12090624 >>12090443 >>12090462 Have any of you actually talked to black people or not dwell in racist echo chambers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 04:11:46 2020 No.12090642 >>12090620 >the West is reliant on Africa [Citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 04:19:43 2020 No.12090660 >>12090642 resources being an obvious one, MNC's dumping used products/old medicine. Like compelled removing an entire continent form the global economy is gonna irreparably ruin said economy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 04:34:32 2020 No.12090684 >>12090660 >hasn't heard of antarctica or australia

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 04:36:45 2020 No.12090688

>>12090624
yeah, i went to an elementary school that was over 30% black. i was friends with many of them. the difference in average intelligence is incredibly obvious, even as children there was an awareness of profound difference. it often lead to tension. combine this everyday experience, which many whites have had [probably unlike you who went to some sort of privileged, majority white school] with the robust hereditarian theory and data and well, reality is what it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 04:51:40 2020 No.12090731 >>12089410 answer to OP's question, then kys faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 04:59:40 2020 No.12090756 >>12090624 Grew up in a black neighborhood where I had to run when I saw certain people while walking home from school

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 05:45:07 2020 No.12090840 >>12090688 >which many whites have had [probably unlike you who went to some sort of privileged, majority white school] I'm Black and I went to a pretty diverse school

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 07:02:58 2020 No.12090951

>>12089898
Damn look at all this verbal diarrhoea. Yes I hate niggers because they are fucking stupid and incapable of civilised behaviour. Your precious science fully backs up my point and every race and IQ thread involves you moving goalposts further and further until you give up and just call me racist, which is true but also not an argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 07:20:49 2020 No.12091009 >>12090951 Major butthurt.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 07:29:02 2020 No.12091027 Smarter people move to better countries. That's literally all it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 08:49:51 2020 No.12091182 >>12089426 This

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:24:21 2020 No.12091247 File: 63 KB, 497x349, 1558544381461.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089594 >he's still calling him Flynn kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:25:23 2020 No.12091249 >>12089635 bait

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:29:24 2020 No.12091261
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>>12090218
That chart has nothing to do with European admixture.
This one does and it was found that European admixture is positively correlated with IQ.
https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/34/htm

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:31:41 2020 No.12091265
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>>12090218
Lynn's IQ data have 0.876 correlation with PISA scores
He made multiple replies to Wicherts where he explained why some studies were rejected

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609001275
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886909003882
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608010000348
Pic related is just one example.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:33:32 2020 No.12091269 >>12089354 No, this is only a question of affordability of real, qualitative culture. btw, this graph is coming from america, as IQ represented here for burgtards is much higher than the real one

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:33:48 2020 No.12091272 >>12090218 That bit from leftypol pushes standard race denier myths most of which were addressed here https://archive.is/A5CsE

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:34:50 2020 No.12091274 >>12090401 Did you consider filtering these threads? Or maybe just not opening them you absolute retard?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:36:45 2020 No.12091277 >>12090218 and lol @ u if you believe that MTRAS supports environmentalist position. https://zjgroth.net/2020/05/26/what-is-the-proper-interpretation-of-the-minnesota-transracial-adoption-study/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:37:04 2020 No.12091279 >>12091265 Correlation does not imply causation. Are you going to ignore lynn lying because you agree with his narrative?

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:40:46 2020 No.12091287

>>12091279
>Correlation does not imply causation.
This reddit catchphrase you learned makes no sense here because I never said IQ causes PISA scores. Or vice versa.
The point of the correlation was to demonstrate that Lynn's numbers are valid and accurately estimate IQ of given nations. Your anecdotes about Vietnam or Sierra Leone won't change this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:42:40 2020 No.12091291 >>12089898 This never fails to make me laugh. Just the thought that someone took time to type this and thought to himself "damn, well done" makes me rofl

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:43:09 2020 No.12091293 >>12091274 Usually /sci/ is on topic and clean. I seen at least 3 blacked threads. I'm just asking you guys to please stop with your obsession. I don't want this place to turn into other board.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:45:57 2020 No.12091300
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>>12089354
>Is there a biological reason for this?
Yes anon. Races are different because they evolved in different environments for thousands of years and as a result of this some races ended up being more intelligent than others

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:47:00 2020 No.12091302 >>12089898 >and that it aims to uphold racism. lmao

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:48:55 2020 No.12091311
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>>12091287
He used small sample size for african and gave them test not in there native language. Maybe you should use the pisa score and not the results of someone who is dishonest. I never gone to reddit. just because I don't agree with the echo chamber, does not mean I'm a redditor.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:50:25 2020 No.12091316
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>>12089635
>cope u /pol/tard, if u were born in malnutrition and poverty u would be more of a retard than u r now.
This is not true. Africans have the same IQ as african americans. If malnutrition and poverty would have any meaningful effect we would see clear IQ difference between these populations.
Environment has no effect on IQ whatsoever

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:52:32 2020 No.12091320

>>12091311
>He used small sample size for african and gave them test not in there native language.
As long as the test was Raven's Progressive Matrices then it doesn't matter.

> Maybe you should use the pisa score and not the results of someone who is dishonest.
lmao you really don't know what 0.87 correlation means. It means that Lynn's data and PISA data are basically one and the same.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:58:36 2020 No.12091340 >>12091320 Can you give me a link to africa pisa? They are not the map.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:58:38 2020 No.12091341 File: 76 KB, 1306x354, 1524825373739.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089898 reminder

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 09:58:59 2020 No.12091345 >>12089506 kek niggers are clueless

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:00:03 2020 No.12091350 >>12091341 >2013 Times change faggot. /pol/ controls most of blue boards now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:01:52 2020 No.12091356 >>12091350 How many blue boards are safe from BBC posting?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:02:48 2020 No.12091360 >>12091356 ??? even /pol/ isn't safe from BBC posting lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:04:37 2020 No.12091367 >>12090314 >I assume with this knowledge you would like to kill all blacks and Hispanic. haha you have absolutely cartoonish views about what we believe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:05:57 2020 No.12091370 >>12089354 Cool nazi propaganda bro.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:07:14 2020 No.12091375 >>12091360 I see no difference between the guy who hates blacks or post about their dicks. They are both equally obsessed.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:45:06 2020 No.12091511 >>12089354 cold winters theory

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:54:56 2020 No.12091542 >>12089354 Can you post the average IQ of wealthy black people? Oh, you won't because it disproves your argument? Then fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 10:55:18 2020 No.12091544 >>12091300 It's so simple that it goes over everyone's head.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:01:29 2020 No.12091559 >>12089354 No shit there's a biological and psychological differences in race. No one will want to bring it up or research about it nowadays but we all know it's true from basic fucking observations, whether you're a scientist or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:05:45 2020 No.12091580 >>12091542 Generally, blacks are significantly poorer. And with that, it seems that you are saying there is zero correlation between being rich and being intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:20:10 2020 No.12091641 File: 41 KB, 324x333, 4-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12091542 lol

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:20:56 2020 No.12091648

>>12089534
Intelligence has as a main component the ability to recognize patters. IQ is a limited measure for intelligence and has limited but significant usefulness. The real issues are the genes that make niggers violent and incapable of controlling their impulses, rather than their low IQ.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:22:47 2020 No.12091664 >>12089635 How do you explain the relatively high average IQ of poor and malnourished places like Mongolia and parts of Eastern Europe, like Ukraine or Moldova.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:24:10 2020 No.12091672 >>12089635 Also, stop writing in ebonics. Your niggerness is showing.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 11:38:29 2020 No.12091715 >>12091511 it's also complete bullshit to do any work in the summer without air conditioning, the ideal office temperature is pretty low i haven't watched the video below but it might have something to add https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmrra8i4hZY

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 12:55:13 2020 No.12091911 >>12089898 This is a legitimate scientific topic that has nothing to do with politics and just because it's controversial doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 13:00:23 2020 No.12091923 >>12091911 Fuck off chud, racism is racism even if it happens to be "true"

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 13:21:29 2020 No.12091983 >>12091261 what an idiotic """"correlation""""

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 14:22:53 2020 No.12092196 >>12090218 >upscaled making the text blurry and hard to read on a normal sized monitor >stalin pic with hammer and sickle icon fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 14:24:14 2020 No.12092202 File: 38 KB, 500x303, Negro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089354 >Is there a biological reason for this? Lack of prefrontal cortex.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 14:40:41 2020 No.12092249

>>12089354
Africa doesnt filter violent feral retards so the few intelligent african blacks simply cannot fuck enough for their tier of intellect to become the genetic norm of the black race. You can literally see this in real time in Black America where the high IQ blacks simply cannot generate as much DNA as the more numerous violent ghetto retards.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 16:43:02 2020 No.12092627 >>12089528 Whenever you hear someone run their mouths about how untestable IQ is, just ask them whether they can tell an idiot and a smart man apart. That shuts them right up.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 16:47:16 2020 No.12092636

>>12089845
>different use of intelligence
>people know a lot so they're smart
Knowledge isn't intelligence. If New Guineans are just as smart as others, just differently, they could still apply their intelligence in other tasks, such as scoring high on IQ tests. Which are available in culturally neutral, too.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 17:01:23 2020 No.12092662

>>12091542
If rich blacks had the same average IQ as rich whites, that would still be useless data without a measure of how many rich blacks there are in relation to rich whites.
I'm sure you can find plenty of black dudes with an IQ of 130+ in the US. But you're cherry picking from millions of people. From an equal number of white people, you'll get even more 130+ IQ people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 17:03:23 2020 No.12092665 >>12092249 They could, if the state stopped paying poor people for breeding.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 17:11:06 2020 No.12092688
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>>12089354
>Be white in cold climate
Have to adapt, plan for winter, learn how to farm, tend to animals, create structures and tools, function within a complex social environment

>be Bix nood in Africa
Go out every day and eat berries and dirt, rape and beat every nigress in sight

Sub saharan Africans aren't even the same species. They have no prefrontal cortex and are incapable of abstract thought, empathy, logical reasoning, appreciation of art, music, philosophy ... Basically everything that makes us human

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 17:54:36 2020 No.12092812 >>12089898 cute patchy

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:05:29 2020 No.12092833 >>12089898 Nigs are the spice of life. I forgive you because you're a nig

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:15:17 2020 No.12092864

>>12089354
Yes, genetic variation meeting the demands of varying environments. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and I don't think it's particularly controversial.

Some dolphins are more intelligent than other dolphins.
Some dogs more so than other dogs.
Some humans are more intelligent than other humans, asians > europeans > africans.

This is just the way of things. The truth should not be controversial.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:20:24 2020 No.12092888 >>12091705 Lol. If you don't live in a "boob" country, just end yourself honestly.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:28:52 2020 No.12092922

>>12089354

Richard Lynn has admitted to using a house for mentally disabled children in Spain as a proxy for the IQ of Equatorial Guinea. (Which he listed as the lowest IQ in the world at something like 59 IIRC.)

How can you take a guy who does that seriously?

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:36:32 2020 No.12092957

>>12092627
Very good idea. Usually the people who discredit is entirely are also entirely liable to paint some people or entire groups as dumb or intelligent. But as soon as it might run against their ideology they will pretend it doesn't exist. Hypocrites.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:47:19 2020 No.12092986 >>12092957 aka democrats

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 18:54:27 2020 No.12093003

>>12092922

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
There is more than Lynn in the sources. Also, using this data you could have predicted 20 years ago the development of East Asians in science, economy, arts, as well as the stagnation of Africa and Europe. With same reasoning you can also predict right now that in the future East Asians will continue to display achievement in these fields, and that China will continue to rise while the dumb woke journalist will keep claiming China will crash or whatever. Even North Korea despite being a clusterfuck of everything bad that can happen to a country will probably develop as long as they unfuck their politics. Despite these politics they are still more organized and developing more than any African nation. Why ? At some point "socioeconomical" becomes ridiculous

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 19:13:15 2020 No.12093047

>>12091316
>Environment has no effect on IQ whatsoever
I don't think this is true, if you look at European populations, you will find that there's a difference in average IQ in the ex-communist block and western Europe, Ireland is another instant, there's also the flyn effect and why we have higher average IQ than our grandparents.
I'm not a geneticist nor a psychologist and I'm not saying that your statement is subjectively false, but I'd appreciate if you could provide me with peer-reviewed scientific papers to validate your statement.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 19:16:20 2020 No.12093057

>>12091469
Do you realize that IQ is just a measure of nurture by proxy and that therefore, you are literally just showing an IQ map for HDI and economic development?
Obviously seeing that you are a racist you may argue that IQ causes that, but the general consensus argues the opposite. It just seems dumb to me that you show an IQ map and say "look at all these similar maps" when you can easily argue that those maps just represent development, which obviously influences education, nutrition and many other factors that may affect average IQ.

Can't ask much to a literal racist though.

Anonymous Sun Sep 6 19:59:22 2020 No.12093180
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>>12091641
It was made by Steve Sailer in 2008 ( he still talking about race and iq in 2020. )

He never linked where he got his information and never posted anything like link below.
http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/TotalGroup-2012.pdf

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:20:56 2020 No.12094091

Anti-racists have such an anti-scientific belief in genetics. They don't think genetics work like how genetic works. They think its some special inheritance mechanism that only works on physical traits. Oh, 2 black people produce a black baby, the black skin must be genetic. The anti-racists says this, and has no qualms about it, for some odd reason, he doesn't say that "the baby only has black skin because muh socioeconomic institutional racism"... but mention psychological, behavioral and cognitive trait, suddenly they seem to change their tune despite the fact that all of them are products of genes. Uh, hey retard. It makes no sense to believe skin is not socioeconomic but behavior is. Its not like skin color is 100% heritable, so if you want to use these bullshit arguments to argue that behavior isn't genetic, and that group behavior isn't determined by average genetic differences, then enough with this retarded double standards that only emerges because you think a fairy is what causes people to behave a certain way, not their genes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:22:00 2020 No.12094093 /sci/ would be such a nice place if these Orwellian anti-racists nutjobs were gone. Or if the gene deniers were banned. They are both the same crowd anyway.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:28:34 2020 No.12094105

>>12093003
>https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
The website is using almost exlusively Lynn's data. The only two cited who are not directly Lynn are Ahmad, Khanum and Riaz (2008) who base their research on Lynn's work, and Heiner Rindermann who's a literal racist associated with the London Conference of Intelligence.

Not helping your point whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:00:32 2020 No.12094146 >>12094093 There's only like 1 or 2 of them. This is their life, their religion. The moment biology contributes to intelligence is the moment their entire worldview falls from underneath them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:15:00 2020 No.12094168

>>12093057
>Obviously seeing that you are a racist you may argue that IQ causes that, but the general consensus argues the opposite.
There is no consensus on this. Stop making things up. Calling me racist will perhaps make you feel better but it won't make you right.
There is some evidence that IQ causes wealth of countries and not other way around. Controlling for GDP per capita reduces the IQ gap between white and black nations only by 4 points. Same thing is found on population level when you control for SES majority of racial IQ gap remains. Indicating that IQ causes SES and not the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:16:26 2020 No.12094172 >>12093180 That's cool story but I got it from here https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/why-ses-does-not-explain.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:30:04 2020 No.12094277 >>12089354 "Archaic hominin introgression" aka they were raping apes for thousands of years. They're literally subhuman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:55:37 2020 No.12094319 >>12094091 (((they))) are so full of shit, they do this with climate change too, if you're not in full climate alarmism mode you're literally hitler

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:04:54 2020 No.12094338 >>12089410 >>12089411 >>>/r/CuckoldCommunity >>>/r/Cuckold Go back to the shithole you belong, pseudo-intellectual plebbitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 08:40:18 2020 No.12094626 >>12094091 Tell me about it. I'm in an unrelated discussion right now with somebody who believes that "civilization" stopped evolution in humans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:10:28 2020 No.12094696 >>12089354 If America is so high IQ why is DJT the president? Or is he pretending to be a retard?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:28:56 2020 No.12094724

>>12094091
>They think its some special inheritance mechanism that only works on physical traits
> It makes no sense to believe skin is not socioeconomic but behavior is.
This is sadly very common for people not just race deniers and shitlibs. I mentioned something about heritability of political views on /tv/ and some guy behaved as if I was insane. "Oh you think opinions are passed down genetically?" Only after I linked him the article from pew research i.e. authoritative organization he trusted then he conceded.
I guess that because psychological traits can't be immediately seen like skin color that laymen treat it differently from skin color for example or height.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:45:47 2020 No.12094765

>>12094724
Can you link me that article too, please?

>>12094696
He succesfully leveraged a reputation as a reality tv star into becoming president. That he could say things other politicians would have been crucified for was one of his unique selling points in 2016.
Trump's also appealing to the most common type of person, the one with average IQ. In a democracy, the vote of an idiot counts as much as the vote of a genius.

Don't believe for a second that Trumps lifelong success is just a series of flukes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 09:47:09 2020 No.12094769 >>12094765 https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/09/study-on-twins-suggests-our-political-beliefs-may-be-hard-wired/

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 11:13:13 2020 No.12094889

>>12089354
>Is there a biological reason for this?
Yes. It's called childhood development. If you're in a place that has good nutrition, healthcare, education, etc. , you'll score better on the dumb test than in a place where they lack those things. This is why immigrants to western countries score significantly higher on IQ tests than in their home country. And we know this due to the fact that the US used to administer IQ tests to immigrants. On arrival, they all scored around the average of their home country, within 2 generations, they scored as high or higher than the united states average. Immigrants in other countries such as the UK have also shown to score as well or even better at school than white britons, although there is no data on their scores on entry. It is biological, but it's not genetic as you want it to be. Sure, genes might play a role, but it's on an individual basis. Overall, the average IQ of a group seems to be similar between countries of similar wealth. This is why the flynn effect is at it's highest in developing countries and not first world countries, even in countries that don't take in as many immigrants (some people explain the difference in the flynn effect is due to immigrants bringing western countries down, this is not the case since the flynn effect is lower in countries with little or no immigration as well. Ironically, a lot of them also claim that the immigration process selects for high IQ, which would mean the flynn effect shouldn't be brought down by immigrants).

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 11:23:16 2020 No.12094905

>>12094889
>If you're in a place that has good nutrition, healthcare, education, etc. , you'll score better on the dumb test than in a place where they lack those things.
>Overall, the average IQ of a group seems to be similar between countries of similar wealth.
Almost as if high IQ people manage to create a better country than low IQ people.

>childhood development
You are calling US blacks horrible parents, you know that, right?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 11:36:24 2020 No.12094935
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>>12094889
>Yes. It's called childhood development. If you're in a place that has good nutrition, healthcare, education, etc. , you'll score better on the dumb test than in a place where they lack those things.
Problem is that black kids who grow up in middle class white households still have ~15 point lower IQ than their white step siblings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 11:43:28 2020 No.12094948 >>12094696 >If America is so high IQ why is DJT the president? You guys still don't get it. People are getting sick of the politically correct bullshit

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:08:57 2020 No.12095015

>>12094935
Just because you grow up in a white family, doesn't mean society as a whole doesn't treat you as another black person. The issue isn't just at home, it's also outside of it. At school, at work, etc. None of your studies look at the lives of those black. Do they have the same friends as their white siblings? Do they go to the same school? Do they get the same attention/activities? You can have two people raised in the same home with different outcomes. A lot of it due to what happens outside of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:11:22 2020 No.12095017 >>12089354 i really doubt america's average iq is that high, have you ever interacted with the average adult american? it's dumbfounding how ignorant they are, it's almost as if they never went to high school

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:11:44 2020 No.12095020 File: 80 KB, 1272x800, 1582744701534.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089354 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:13:18 2020 No.12095025 >>12095015 Damn, that's some strong cope to keep your world from not collapsing

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:29:00 2020 No.12095064

>>12095015
>Just because you grow up in a white family, doesn't mean society as a whole doesn't treat you as another black person.
haha what a goalpost move. First you started with obvious ones like nutrition, education, SES but after you found out these variables can't explain black failure, instead of acknowledging your mistake, you moved to more exotic explanations like "society" or "activates" as if any of these things would lower your IQ by 15 points.
Just so you know, there were mulatto kids in that study of which even their parents belived were full black. The society treated them as any other black person but their IQ ended up being half-way between full blacks and white kids. Exactly as genetic hypothesis would predict.
I'm eager to find out how you will rationalize that one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:31:03 2020 No.12095070 >>12091715 dindus won't get higher iq/productivity/civility if you transport them to norway

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:31:07 2020 No.12095071 >>12095017 >it's dumbfounding how ignorant they are, Ignorance =/= IQ.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 12:58:25 2020 No.12095129 >>12090218 Clines were debunked long ago anon, they're false.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:24:04 2020 No.12095200

>>12095064
>First you started with obvious ones like nutrition, education
>moving goalposts
>education
At least have a high enough Iq before posting please. The way you're treated by students and teachers alike affects your education. If you cannot fit in with the white nerds and have to end up with the black kids, and the black kids are bad apples because they live in ghettos without fathers, that's going to rub off on the kid with the white parents. Not moving the goal posts dipshit, data shows that in more fair and less racist societies such as in europe, blacks do significantly better than in the US. You keep pointing at the US as proof, but didn't take the time to think about whether US society has failed them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:27:37 2020 No.12095211

>>12095071
>Ignorance =/= IQ.
Actually it is, since most IQ test questions are either patterns based on mathematics (learned in school, therefore acquired knowledge) or verbal (once again, learned in school therefore knowledge). Being ignorant therefore affects your IQ, since that's what IQ test measure. Knowledge. If you had an actual high "IQ" you would have realized it and made the connection between a 3x3 matrix rotating objects or adding/subtracting them with something learned in elementary or high school such adding numbers, subtracting them, shifting, translating, reflecting graphs, etc.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:42:27 2020 No.12095253

>>12095200
>data shows that in more fair and less racist societies such as in europe, blacks do significantly better than in the US
They're still trailing behind Europeans. There is also that little thing about immigration to consider. While the US got a lot of blacks that were captured slaves, Europe only gets those blacks that are able to make the journey on their own.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:43:27 2020 No.12095259
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>>12095200
It is moving the goalpost. You only started talking about ridiculous things like society and teachers attitudes only after all the possible explanations of IQ gap were shown to be inadequate.
You just can't accept the fact that blacks are dumber for biological reasons and nothing will probably change your mind.

Btw, IQ gap in Europe is same as in US

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:55:48 2020 No.12095298 >>12092665 Wrong, even without welfare the violent dimwits still multiply much faster than intelligent blacks suggesting that is simply the natural order for blacks meaning blacks are just violent retards as a race objectively.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:59:54 2020 No.12095303

>>12095200
>The way you're treated by students and teachers alike affects your education.
This is ridiculous, the most intelligent humans lol at the very concept of school.
>and the black kids are bad apples because they live in ghettos without fathers,
Most black fathers are evil sociopaths so I dont even know why you think the little thugs having relationship with the more experienced criminal is gonna change a damn thing in their life. The DNA of these evil sociopath black fathers is why the thug is failing in school, trying to stab his teacher, or already raped a black female for fun.
>data shows that in more fair and less racist societies such as in europe, blacks do significantly better than in the US
That data doesnt matter because pure black academic incompetence confirms that blacks are dumb as shit on average, if blacks cannot generate a single public school with a C average in their most developed dumps like Nigeria, South Africa or Ethiopia they are simply stupid people on average end of discussion you anti racist lunatic.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:59:57 2020 No.12095304

>>12095253
>They're still trailing behind Europeans
First generation yes, second generations are not. As a matter of fact, quite a few subgroups score higher than whites. Funny how this is exactly what Lynn found in his own study as far back as 1978. First gen immigrants score low, subsequent generation, being more familiar, score higher.
>While the US got a lot of blacks that were captured slaves, Europe only gets those blacks that are able to make the journey on their own.
Once again, the US administered IQ tests to new immigrants. New immigrants from the middle east, eastern europe and north africa all scored around 80-85 IQ on entry. Same as blacks. Within 2 generations (i.e. their kids and grandkids) scored as high and even in some cases higher than the local white population. You claim that immigrants in europe are higher IQ. You do not provide any source for those claims. Sources that happen to exist from from the US shows quite the opposite. You don't get the best and brightest as you dumbasses keep repeating over and over. You get the same 85 IQ immigrants that the stupid image you keep posting shows. Then within 2 generations, their IQ magically increases to the host country. So if you're so keen on explaining the difference in IQ between different groups, then how about you explain that. How about you also explain how Caucasians from the Middle east, eastern europe and north africa, who cluster genetically very close to europeans compared to other groups like asians and blacks, score 1 s.d. deviation lower, on the same level as blacks. Yet genetics is somehow supposed to be the reason why blacks are scoring lower. Why is it also that south east asians, who once again cluster closely to eastern asians, yet again, score 1s.d. lower than people from china or japan, the same level as blacks, yet are significantly different from them. Why is the difference in genes between two very close ethnicity end up having huge variation in IQ similar to white-black

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:00:57 2020 No.12095308

>>12095211
>Actually it is, since most IQ test questions are either patterns based on mathematics (learned in school, therefore acquired knowledge)
Pretty interesting then that uneducated children can still excel at matrices, yes? Almost like someone who is good at solving patterns doesn't need a knowledge of math to figure them out. In fact, that's likely the type of person who naturally excels at math.

>or verbal (once again, learned in school therefore knowledge).
A cultural neutral test will quickly eliminate this bias.

>Being ignorant therefore affects your IQ, since that's what IQ test measure. Knowledge.
No, an IQ test measures g factor through g load. A good test doesn't require specific content knowledge since you're attempting to measure fluid, not crystallized, intelligence. Your argument would mean that every PhD would outperform every high school student in an IQ test, and that's obviously not true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:10:13 2020 No.12095330 >>12089354 stop noticing patterns, goy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:16:22 2020 No.12095351 >>12095330 >goy >israel not dark blue >china dark blue >japan dark blue >both koreas dark blue I don't think you're very good with patterns yourself.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:23:43 2020 No.12095369

>>12095308
>Pretty interesting then that uneducated children can still excel at matrices, yes?
What children are uneducated in western countries? Most of them have elementary school education and at least 3 years of highschool. Education is mandatory for children in western countries. It's also interesting how the norm for raw IQ scores seem to increase the most between the age fo 6-16, which surprisingly, happens to coincide perfectly, with elementary and high school. Just another coincidence right?
>A cultural neutral test will quickly eliminate this bias.
All IQ tests are based on math. Since math is learned in school, and a lot of countries in africa have a poor educational system, there is no such thing as a cultural neutral test. You get better at a task by doing it over and over, whether it is flipping pizzas, doing mental calculations or solving puzzles. If you're not exposed to those as a kid, you're not going to be as good as those who did. You could still learn those later on in life, but you could never compete with someone who learned it during childhood. For instance, you could have any kid growing up in the UK to learn English with a perfect accent, but no matter how long an immigrant from another country has been in the UK. they will never speak the language with the fluency and accent that a native does.
Only an idiot will deny that IQ tests are heavily based on math. Go take one, look at the patterns. There is not one pattern on a so called "culturally neutral/unbiased" test isn't mathematical.
>No, an IQ test measures g factor through g load
No, an IQ test shows you a 2x2 or 3x3 grid, with a mathematical pattern, and ask you to find it. If you learned the mathematical pattern as a kid and know how to apply it, you can solve the problem fairly easy. If you haven't learned the pattern, you won't. Just because you don't see the crystallized intelligence in IQ tests, it doesn't mean its not there. 1/2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:26:12 2020 No.12095378 >>12095369 Not the anon you're arguing with, but you're an idiot. IQ tests are not knowledge tests.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:26:41 2020 No.12095382

>>12095304
all of this long posting but the delta between blacks and whites is always there, no matter what level of selection you observe. it's there with medical students, it's there between street urchin. game over, 100 thousand years of evolutionary divergence produced profound differences, let's move on and try to fix on the genetic level.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:28:10 2020 No.12095385

>>12095369
>Go take one, look at the patterns. There is not one pattern on a so called "culturally neutral/unbiased" test isn't mathematical.
Just because the pattern can be expressed mathematically, doesn't make the pattern itself based on maths. There are more patterns than 1 2 ... 4. Squiggly lines and boxes for example.

> For instance, you could have any kid growing up in the UK to learn English with a perfect accent, but no matter how long an immigrant from another country has been in the UK. they will never speak the language with the fluency and accent that a native does.
There are lots of well spoken immigrants around. There are also a lot of people that don't speak their own language very well.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:32:23 2020 No.12095396

>>12095382
Except no, once its revealed the issues they cause are due to their DNA the very human rights of black africans would be questioned by non black nations on Earth, wouldnt surprise me if China banned them from immigrating to their nation for the rest of time. However for us who have these violent beast in our land what do we do with them now that we have found out they will never stop fucking up our settlements? Do we enslave them? Do we send back to Africa? Do we exterminate them? The rage humans in America whos loved ones have been slaughtered by blacks would also be great once they understand the black didnt kill their love one because its an oppressed victim but simply because its a violent sadistic impulsive beast.

That is why the anti racist work hard to prevent humans from understanding this inherent truth to the african black.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:35:49 2020 No.12095409
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>>12095308
For instance, let's say I give you the following two questions,

1. find the next number in the sequence:
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, ?
Someone who learned about the fibonacci sequence could easily find it. Doesn't even need to think for more than 5 seconds. And there are IQ tests that use the fibonacci sequence. For instance, pic related.

Then, let's say I gave you a second question:
2. find the next number in the sequence:
1, 1, 11, 111, 5, 5111, 10111, ?
Would you be able to solve it? It's probably harder but possible, but there is no way you can solve it if you don't know a specific numbering system.

And just for fun, let's give you another example.
3. Find the next word in the sequence:
B,B,BA,BB,BAB,BAAA,BBAB,?

All of those should be solvable and are examples of questions on IQ tests. I just rewrote them in a different system, which some people should be able to solve if they learned it, and those who haven't shouldn't be able to. And this is exactly what IQ tests ask of the person. Use your previous knowledge to solve those ones. Whether it's adding, subtracting, rotating, translating, shifting and so on. Those are all patterns that come up, and if you're familiar with them, should be able to easily detect them. If you're not familiar, you won't. Saying otherwise shoes you cannot put yourself in the place of someone who's never opened a math textbook in his life. You didn't learn how to add on your own and chances are, if you were born in the middle of nowhere, and never exposed to it, would never figure out any of it, unless it's been taught to you or you've experienced something gave you the need to develop such knowledge. 2/2
2/2

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:36:32 2020 No.12095415

>>12095396
you frame it as "they can't help it due to their genes" and figure out a way [it won't be popular with the public but oh well] to fix the african genome. there are black people who are smart and civilized, they are few in number but if they were the only blacks reproducing perhaps their character would improve. regression to the mean would be another big issue, but supposing the populations don't mix, that stops after the first generation.

the other options are much less humane as you've stated, i personally would not like to see brutality as again, their problems are inevitable given their present biological inheritance, i can't blame an aggressive, stupid animal for acting out its genetic code either

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:37:04 2020 No.12095416

>>12095369
>What children are uneducated in western countries?
Why are you focusing on western countries? There's been IQ tests performed in other countries, including Asia, where poor, illiterate rural children still outperformed educated western children in matrices.

>Since math is learned in school, and a lot of countries in africa have a poor educational system
No math needed for matrices.

>It's also interesting how the norm for raw IQ scores seem to increase the most between the age fo 6-16
Yeah, what a shocker that IQ goes up while the brain is still developing.

>If you haven't learned the pattern, you won't.
I scored above the 99th percentile in matrices before I'd advanced past simple arithmetic. No prior knowledge is needed.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:39:57 2020 No.12095425

>>12095385
>There are more patterns than 1 2 ... 4. Squiggly lines and boxes for example.
What is 1,2,3 but squiggly lines to an alien from another world? What are chinese characters other than giberish to someone who doesn't speak chinese? How do we teach math to kids? We use skittles. Gummy bears. Are skittles or gummy bears any different from squiggly lines in their meanings? such a dumb thing to say.
>There are lots of well spoken immigrants around
You're missing the point. You can learn a language, but can you be as good in it as someone who learned it growing up? You can tell most immigrants who moved to a country after their 30s by their accent. They can speak the language, but they will never speak it the way a person who grew exposed to it does. You could get a decent accent, but to a tuned ear, you'll never sound like a native.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:41:39 2020 No.12095434

>>12095415
Why should we fix their genome?There is nothing wrong with them at all, there is something wrong with us for trying to make them behave like us. These humans in Sub Saharan Africa have cognitive behaviors that predate the common ancestor of Caucasoids and Mongoloids to say their behavior is wrong is just absurd.
>there are black people who are smart and civilized
Their level of IQ is not the mean for black populations so this doesnt matter. We have hundreds of thousands of blacks in college yet their communities are the most violent hellholes in American history.
>i personally would not like to see brutality as again
The brutality is payback for all the whites they have terrorized over the decades in the US.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:42:49 2020 No.12095440

>>12095378
>Rotation
>Translation
>addition
>subtractions
>all patterns found in IQ test
>not knowledge tests
okay sure. I guess you were born with the ability to add numbers, rotate images, complete sequences, knew every letter in the alphabet, word in the dictionary, could do calculus at the age of 1, and so on. You never learned how to add, subtract, multiply, divide and so on in elementary school. Big shot started elementary school with a phd in physics.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:44:39 2020 No.12095447

>>12095416
>Why are you focusing on western countries? There's been IQ tests performed in other countries
Because the biggest IQ disparities are between western countries and african countries. Western countries have a strong educational system, africans don;t
>illiterate rural children still outperformed educated western children in matrices
>illiterate
[citation needed]
>rural
Just because you're rural, it doesn't mean you haven't had an education.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:46:50 2020 No.12095453

>>12095434
>Why should we fix their genome?There is nothing wrong with them at all, there is something wrong with us for trying to make them behave like us. These humans in Sub Saharan Africa have cognitive behaviors that predate the common ancestor of Caucasoids and Mongoloids to say their behavior is wrong is just absurd.

here the ways of men must part, I think a population which is generally antisocial and unintelligent is degenerate and should be improved, while apparently you think genociding them is the proper solution - i'd say human history has seen plenty of that and we make ourselves closer to being niggers by repeating that pattern of brutality, but whatever. at the very least i agree they should be enticed to leave and stay in their own countries, but of course they want to the benefits of white civilization while at the same time demand more concessions under the justification of "racism". eventually something will have to give

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:47:57 2020 No.12095464

>>12095440
>okay sure. I guess you were born with the ability to add numbers, rotate images, complete sequences, knew every letter in the alphabet, word in the dictionary, could do calculus at the age of 1, and so on.
Why are their people with math degrees of only slightly above average intelligence, when there's teens who can outperform them on the same IQ tests with much less math experience? It comes down to a lot more than just raw knowledge.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:48:45 2020 No.12095467

>>12095416
>I scored above the 99th percentile in matrices before I'd advanced past simple arithmetic.
>99th percentile
Congratulation, you showed you don' even belong to the 50th percentile. IQ test norms are adjusted by age. a 99th percentile doesn't mean jack shit if you're using 7 year old norms. That's the equivalent of scoring 34/60.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:48:51 2020 No.12095468

>>12095304
>Once again, the US administered IQ tests to new immigrants. New immigrants from the middle east, eastern europe and north africa all scored around 80-85 IQ on entry. Same as blacks. Within 2 generations (i.e. their kids and grandkids) scored as high and even in some cases higher than the local white population.
source?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:49:27 2020 No.12095470

>>12095425
>What are chinese characters other than giberish to someone who doesn't speak chinese?
Yet the smart kids would still pick up the meaning behind them quicker than the dumb ones.
>You can learn a language, but can you be as good in it as someone who learned it growing up?
Yes, you can. Some people can learn a language to a fantastic degree, while others have trouble with their native one. Your mistake is thinking there aren't idiots amongst the native speakers.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:50:33 2020 No.12095475

>>12095447
African Americans are essentially well fed pseudo Africans yet still have the most horrible academic performance out of all races in the US, which means the theory that the school is the reason behind black academic failure is nothing but a load of baloney. If you ever been to a black public school you would see the problem in an instant, the bulk of the student body are extremely fucking stupid to the point they have ADHD on steroids which usually causes them to antagonize their teachers(even the black ones) for no reason. The teachers cannot teach anything as the poor black youth want to make her cry or bait her into fighting them. At some point that teacher resigns due to the sheer stress from the job, and what do the black youth do they simply go UH UH DA EDUCATION IS WHY WE GET BAD GRADE N SHIET.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:51:42 2020 No.12095476 >>12095453 >I think a population which is generally antisocial and unintelligent is degenerate and should be improved, If they are to be improved it would have occured naturally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:52:37 2020 No.12095479 >>12095467 >same education as other children >vastly outscored them Anon, you're arguing IQ is nothing but acquired knowledge and learned patterns. I had been exposed to the same patterns as other kids. Why was I so much better at pattern recognition?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:55:07 2020 No.12095483 >>12090218 >Other relevant studies concluded that the IQ of Nigeria is significantly higher than 70 Oh wow, impressive!

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:55:48 2020 No.12095484

>>12095464
>Why are their people with math degrees of only slightly above average intelligence, when there's teens who can outperform them on the same IQ tests with much less math experience? It comes down to a lot more than just raw knowledge.
Once again, you don't understand even one bit how IQ tests work. There is a norm for each age group. A score of 10/60 on the test results in different IQs for a 5 year old vs 20 year old. Just because you scored in the 95th percentile at 12, it doesn't mean you scored right on the questions that required a higher math skill. The fact is, the same test is administered to all ages, and your score on the test is adjusted for age, because IT IS EXPECTED for people who are older to score higher than people who are younger. Someone with an IQ of 100 at 16 scored a higher raw score on an IQ test than someone who scored a 130 at 8. Not all the questions on the test have the same math patterns. Some are harder than the others and the young guy who scored 130 most likely didn't score those rights. So the question is, if there is no knowledge required in an IQ test, why is it that kids who just started elementary school score significantly lower than kids who graduated high school? Their raw scores in each percentile differ by almost 30 points. What has magically changed in the 10 years of school that yielded such a huge difference in scores?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:57:10 2020 No.12095489

>>12095425
>can you be as good in it as someone who learned it growing up? You can tell most immigrants who moved to a country after their 30s by their accent.
Accent has nothing to do with language capability, and an IQ test doesn't score someone based on their accent. What does phoneme acquisition have to do with fluid intelligence?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:57:24 2020 No.12095490

So many anti racist lunatics have no clue how the average african american youth even behaves. Shit like this video is the norm in all black public schools, and this isnt the remedial class this is a normal classroom. Notice how the black male tries to make his own BLACK teacher scared for no known reason. Observe how not a single black student here tries to stop this and resume the lesson because these african black youth are so fucking stupid that THEY DONT CARE ABOUT SCHOOL yet the leftist insist if we just throw more money into these buildings then someday they will pump out a D- average test score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7j3_YgM-lE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:59:50 2020 No.12095491 >>12095483 These idiots are trying so hard to prove that African IQ is not 70 while they don't realize they are making the case stronger for hereditarians and effectively shooting themselves in the foot. It would be even funny if it wasn't so sad.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:01:59 2020 No.12095495

>>12095468
n, Richard 1978. “Ethnic and Racial Differences in Intelligence: International Comparisons.” In Human Variation: The Biopsychology of Age, Race, and Sex, edited by R. Travis Osborne, Clyde E. Noble, and Nathaniel Weyl. New York: Academic Press.

He looked at the IQ of immigrants from India, Yugoslavia, Greece, Spain, eastern Europe, southern Europe, Portugal, Iran, and Iraq. They all scored low on entry, scored significantly higher (10 to 15 points) after 2-3 generations. Don't remember the exact page but you could probably ctrl+f it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:06:38 2020 No.12095508

>>12095489
>Accent has nothing to do with language capability
Once again, you're missing the goddamn point. Why is it that an immigrant can't learn a language without an accent past a certain age? Learning a language isn't just about reading. It's writing, speaking, it includes grammar, vocabulary, pronunciation, etc. and accent is related to pronunciation. Immigrants have a hard time pronouncing some words, which as much as you hate to admit it, is part of speaking a language. There is a correct way to pronounce words, and a lot of immigrants, even if they can form sentences that are syntactically and semantically correct, cannot pronounce them properly to save their lives. Why is that? It's not because they speak two languages, I know plenty of people who speak 2 or more languages, that can speak with a perfect accent (from the region they live in).

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:08:55 2020 No.12095512

>>12095484
>Once again, you don't understand even one bit how IQ tests work.
I'm talking about comparing raw scores. But the fact that IQ scores remain stable after mid-teens, despite some people continuing their education for another ten years, should tell you that the additional acquired knowledge is doing nothing for their scores.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:09:00 2020 No.12095513 [DELETED]

>>12095495
>n, Richard 1978. “Ethnic and Racial Differences in Intelligence: International Comparisons.”
The only thing similar to this that exists is "Race differences in intelligence: A global perspective." (1991) and it doesn't support your claim.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.608.4773&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:12:27 2020 No.12095525

>>12095508
We're talking about iq tests, and no test measures accent. You're reaching to an absurd level. Phoneme acquisition happens very early in our lives, and honestly, if you're arguing for that, it goes directly against your theory of acquired knowledge since education will do nothing for a child's accent.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:25:05 2020 No.12095562

>>12095513
That's not the article. The source is a book he published. He showed that immigrants from non-black countries which had an IQ gap of 15 (1 s.d) w.r.t europeans on entry, ended up closing the gap within 2 generations. I don't remember his explanation for this, but it was something along the lines of familiarity with the tests and socioeconomic factors. If you can close the gap between two groups with the same gap as black-whites, then it shows that IQ tests are not culturally unbiased or measuring intelligence. Now, if it's not measuring intelligence, then what is it measuring? And why is it that mostly caucasoid immigrants could close the gap while blacks couldn't? What is the difference between people from the middle east and eastern europe and blacks that allows one of the groups from closing the gap while the other can't after moving to the US? Think for a bit about it. If immigrants scoring 85 end up scoring close to 100, and you claim that scores are based on genes, then you have to explain what changed so much in 2-3 generations to cause such a huge gap? And if it was genetic, then why is it that those groups, which are very close to europeans, significantly closer than they are to asians or blacks, scored so low to begin with, on the same level as blacks? So it must have been something else, perhaps socioeconomic factors. Now if IQ was genetic, then they shouldn't have seen an increase of 15 points within the 2nd or 3rd generation. So it must have been something else. What is it? And why is it that white caucasoid could close the gap while blacks couldn't? Now you can go back to saying it's not culture because blacks have been in the US for centuries, but what conditions did black live under? It wasn't until 1965 that they finally got the right to vote. Their circumstances are significantly different than those of whites and immigrants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:43:50 2020 No.12095625 >>12095495 >India, Yugoslavia, Greece, Spain, eastern Europe, southern Europe, Portugal, Iran, and Iraq So none of them blacks. Hm...

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:45:38 2020 No.12095634
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>>12095525
>Phoneme acquisition happens very early in our lives, and honestly, if you're arguing for that, it goes directly against your theory of acquired knowledge since education will do nothing for a child's accent.
Actually, it doesn't go against my theory. It goes hand in hand. It shows that you need to be exposed to some things early on during childhood to excel at it. Speaking a language without an accent is something that you learn by being around people growing up. It's not something that you're born with. Similarly, the ability to solve things like mazes, puzzles, or IQ tests is something that you acquire early on. Where do you learn to solve mazes, puzzles and other things like that? In school. In kindergarten, you have those small toys that kids play with. Fit the right shape in the right hole. At first, the toddlers try to force a cube in a spherical hole. Then after a while, they learn. You learn about solving mazes on the side of cereal boxes. You learn about puzzles once again at kindergarten, using the small puzzle boxes they have there. Those small things that you take for granted, that you think are genetics, are actually things you experience and learn at an age that you can't even remember. It makes the connections in your brain to process such problems. Then in elementary school, you have some classes that teach you geometry. They give you a small piece of paper like pic related, then ask you to assemble a prism, a cube, a pyramid and so on. There are quite a few IQ tests that have such questions on it. They label a few of the corner on pic related, and then the question is, when assembled, which number Y joins number X. It's a task that you learned to do in elementary school. Then in other classes in elementary school or high school, you learn about axis of symmetry. perform reflections along the x or y axis In the case of high school you go even deeper. You learn about shifting a function left or right. and much more. 1/2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:49:06 2020 No.12095644 >>12095440 your mistaken belief leads to a chicken and egg problem, since apparently no one can count unless they're taught

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:51:50 2020 No.12095649

>>12095634
>>12095525
then you learn about sequences, like the Fibonacci sequence. Ironically, this test right here >>12095409 is a perfect example of symmetry and the fibonacci sequence put together. You not only learn but are exposed to a lot of the patterns that are in an IQ test in elementary school. When you're exposed to a task over and over, it helps you accomplish it faster. IQ tests are timed. Your score on it does not depend just on solving the puzzles, it's also about how long it takes to solve them. Some IQ tests also have questions about algebra, such as if X is twice Y at Z years old, then how old is X when Y is W. If you can't see how all the patterns that come up on those tests are taught from a young age in western countries, then I guess we're done here. Someone who isn't exposed to those patterns will have a harder time to solve them. When you learned how to add numbers, were you able to do it quickly and efficiently? Were you able to score 100% on your algebra test in high school? Would you be able to do it now? What has changed since then? Has the fundamentals of algebra changed? Has it somehow become easier to do algebra now than 20 years ago? Or perhaps you've trained yourself by doing it over and over again, being exposed to it constantly? In the same way that algebra has gotten easier by learning it and doing it over and over again, so do the patterns on an IQ tests.
2/2

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:56:52 2020 No.12095664

>>12095644
>your mistaken belief leads to a chicken and egg problem
No, you seem to think that all the patterns on an IQ test are some weird unexplainable things that someone is just born with. It's not. The patterns are concrete, they are mathematical. And as I've said earlier, they are taught in school. Learning about those patterns makes it easier to solve. Someone who has experience with them will score higher on a test that test on it than someone who hasn't. Take two people of the same intelligence, one who took an algebra class and another who hasn't. Give them an algebra test. It's obvious the guy who didn't take the class will fail miserably. Is he stupid because of his genes? Iq tests are exactly the same. The patterns are mathematical, they are taught. It's undeniable, only someone with an agenda does so. And if they are patterns that are taught in school, then someone who learned them will do better than someone who doesn't. You could make an argument that someone who's really smart could rediscover the patterns all on it's own, without ever being exposed to it. But no matter how smart that person is, he won't be able to do it at the same speed or faster than someone who knows the patterns with the same intelligence, and the fact is, I seriously doubt they could come up with a pattern they've never been exposed to faster than someone who's dumb and has seen it either. It's not mistaken beliefs or a chicken or egg problem. It's about the results of a test that measures how well you know patterns that have been taught to you previously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:01:00 2020 No.12095676 >>12095664 So, do you believe g can't be measured at all? Or that you can't tell whether a person is intelligent or smart? If you can tell that difference, then it can also be tested for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:01:48 2020 No.12095678 >>12095664 so now you're arguing someone who studied algebra does better on algebra tests, therefore ... this applies to not-algebra-test because IQ tests are "exactly the same"? ok

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:02:49 2020 No.12095679

>>12095625
>claims IQ measures intelligence
>claim IQ is genetic
>someone scores 85 IQ
>Another person scores 85 IQ
>One is black, one is white
>2 generations later, white descendants score around 100
>2 generation later, black descendant still score 85 IQ
>caucasoid immigrant magically moved toward the mean, even though he was carrying retard genes
>black still at 85 IQ because he has retard genes
So let me ask you, why is it that the white became smarter while the black person didn't, even though on average both groups ancestors 2 generations ago had the same intelligence? What has fundamentally changed in the genes of the caucasoid in 2 generations to create a gap of 15 IQ between the black and white immigrant over less than 40 years that the likes of you claim is a genetic process that went on for millennia? Hm...

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:06:21 2020 No.12095687

>>12095634
>Speaking a language without an accent is something that you learn by being around people growing up. It's not something that you're born with.
Yet you can learn everything but the accent as an adult. Only the accent requires early exposure as a pre-requisite.

>Similarly, the ability to solve things like mazes, puzzles, or IQ tests is something that you acquire early on.
Can also be learned as an adult.

This all started with your idiotic statement (or maybe it wasn't yours) that Americans must be dumber than their IQ results because they seem ignorant. Knowing geography and history have nothing to do with being able to excel at an iq test. Your long-winded arguments won't change that. There's a reason twin studies show such a high correlation to iq scores even when raised by different parents with different socioeconomic statuses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:11:11 2020 No.12095699 Why are so many high IQ incels on 4channel dot org such losers in life?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:11:21 2020 No.12095701

>>12095676
>So, do you believe g can't be measured at all?
You cannot measure g with an IQ test because an IQ test measures knowledge not g. Someone who's smarter will gain more knowledge and score higher, but someone whos just as smart, but didn't have access to knowledge will score significantly lower. Why? Because the test measures knowledge and exposure to some specific pattern. In other words, someone who scores really high, has gained a lot of knowledge and is probably smart (assuming the norms are not skewed in favour of him by having a huge sample of people who couldn't gain enough knowledge). But someone who scores low is not necessarily stupid because it could simply be a lack of exposure or education on his part. He could have the same "g", but it hasn't been developped properly. Think of it as a car. You could have two identical cars racing. Say the timing of one lap is the IQ score of each car. Since they are identical, theoretically, if you could measure pure performances of the engine and car, without the effect of the driver, they would score the same. But since you're not measuring pure performance but the timing on a lap (call it your IQ score), which is affected by the driver, then one will most likely score lower than the other, even though both have the exact same performance ("g"). So if you hold a race and a car does exceptionally well, you could say the car is high performance (high "g"), but if he does poorly, you could say the car is shit, or perhaps the driver is shit, or perhaps it was raining/snowing or the path taken was slightly longer, etc. The only way to know for sure, it to come up with a test that measures the performance of the car with all other variables equal. There is no such test for IQ. If there was, it would probably look like something out of a a sci-fi movie, with electrodes and computers, that would measure specific things about the way your brain operates that isn't linked to anything that could be learned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:13:59 2020 No.12095710 File: 452 KB, 1692x1936, 1591635452490.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12095701 What a wall of cope. Can you, personally, tell a smart man from an idiot?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:14:37 2020 No.12095714

>>12095687
>Can also be learned as an adult.
Not as efficiently. A lot of the brain development happens during childhood. Information is absorbed a lot more easily at a younger age. Furthermore, just because you could technically learn it, it doesn't mean people do. Most people don't have the time to go back through 20 years of school just to get an accurate IQ score when they have bills or kids to take care of.
>that Americans must be dumber than their IQ results because they seem ignorant
I didn't say that, but being ignorant directly affects your IQ scores, and if you believe IQ scores are representative of your intellect, then being ignorant does mean you're dumb (which is not what I advocate for at all).

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:19:42 2020 No.12095731

>>12095714
>Most people don't have the time to go back through 20 years of school just to get an accurate IQ score when they have bills or kids to take care of.
Have you finished school yet? You'll quickly experience for yourself how much of school knowledge you forget very quickly. That doesn't decrease those adults IQ scores, though. Your whole theory doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:23:54 2020 No.12095745

>>12095710
>what a wall of cope
>can't have a discussion of more than 2 sentences
You can fuck off back to >>>/pol/ and have your like minded morons pat you on the back. I can tell if someone is an idiot. My whole "wall of cope" as you put it was about how IQ tests can't. Is a Bugatti or toyota faster? What if I showed you the lap times of a toyota corolla beating a Bugatti Chiron? Are you gonna claim that the toyota is the better car? After all, the toyota driver made the lap in 20 seconds while the Bugatti driver stalled his car 30 times in the 5 minutes it took him to reach the line.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:31:33 2020 No.12095767

>>12095731
>. That doesn't decrease those adults IQ scores, though
Actually, IQ does decrease past a certain age, usually the 50s if I remember correctly. Most of the knowledge taught in elementary and high school stays with you for your entire life. You learn the most basic things that come up over and over again. Adding coins at the grocery store, reading/writing and even algebra are all things that are common on IQ tests and things that you tend to remember. And that is beside the point. Learning how to solve such problems is like riding a bike. Once you know how to ride it, even if you go 20 years without getting on a bike, you pick it up really quick. If you've never learned how to bike and decide to start it in your 60s, you'll be struggling for far longer than someone who learned it as a kid and starts again after a decade. I know this because I had a friend in his 20s who never used a bike. He was struggling just as much as a kid. As for me, I went for up to 7 years without biking at some point, and getting back on the bike took me a total of 30 seconds to get the hang of it again.
>Your whole theory doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
Considering that IQ scores drop with age, I'd say it actually does.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:34:39 2020 No.12095780

>>12095745
>I can tell if someone is an idiot
Then it's evidently possible to test for it. I trust the field of IQ tests more than somebody who has trouble with understanding that test conditions can be equalized. You are trying to explain away a consistent IQ difference that appears no matter which country or culture you test blacks in.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:37:49 2020 No.12095790

>>12095767
>Actually, IQ does decrease past a certain age, usually the 50s
This only shows that IQ is biological. If IQ didn't decrease with advanced age -unlike everything else- that would be noteworthy.

>Learning how to solve such problems is like riding a bike.
You are saying that Africans don't use their brains. That's...actually worse racism than believing in genetic differences.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:40:22 2020 No.12095794 File: 194 KB, 884x702, evans-microcephalin-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thing actually affects brain size.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:48:57 2020 No.12095811 >>12095780 >Then it's evidently possible to test for it. It's also possible to send a man to mars, it doesn't mean we can do it at the moment. IQ tests do not measure intelligence. It might be possible to measure it, but not with an IQ test.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:52:17 2020 No.12095818 >>12095679 >why is it that the white became smarter while the black person didn't, even though on average both groups ancestors 2 generations ago had the same intelligence? They didn't. B-W IQ gap has been 15 points since 1920s

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:53:41 2020 No.12095824 >>12095701 >You cannot measure g with an IQ test because an IQ test measures knowledge not g. Stopped reading here. You don't know what you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:54:02 2020 No.12095827 >>12089354 Ah yes another day to have a great and enlightening discussion on the nature of racial iq statistics.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:54:14 2020 No.12095828

>>12095818
Except they have. White immigrants had an IQ of 85 on entry to US. 2 generations later, 100 IQ. Blacks have 85 IQ. 2 generations later, still 85 IQ. Why? If it's genes, then why does Caucasian immigrants scoring 85 IQ, with their home country scoring 85 IQ, magically becomes 100 IQ. What magical genes have popped up in their DNA from simply moving to the US?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:55:16 2020 No.12095833

>>12095824
>Stopped reading here. You don't know what you are talking about.
Perhaps if you did some more reading and looked at what I have brought up instead of keep responding with "stopped reading here", you'd be able to finally fucking get it. As I said before, if reading is such a mental challenge for you, feel free to fuck off back to >>>/pol/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:57:58 2020 No.12095835 >>12095811 IQ test results are very good predictors of life success, academic attainment and aptitute at cognitive tasks. They measure intelligence. You're just salty that you were the only smart kid in the hood.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:59:01 2020 No.12095839 >>12095828 What white country scores at 85?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:00:38 2020 No.12095842

>>12095835
Not salty, not even black. I'm just pointing out facts. IQ tests are knowledge based and as such, do not measure intelligence. Being smarter means you have the possibility of gaining more knowledge (and therefore scoring higher), but it's not guaranteed. If you're in an environment that prevents you from reaching your full potential, you'll score low on an IQ test, and morons will think you're stupid because they don't understand what IQ measures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:02:52 2020 No.12095848 >>12095409 it's D right ?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:03:57 2020 No.12095850

>>12095828
>Except they have. White immigrants
I wasn't talking about white immigrants but blacks and whites overall. Their IQ gap has always been 15 points ever since IQ tests have been administered.

>White immigrants had an IQ of 85 on entry to US. 2 generations later, 100 IQ. Blacks have 85 IQ. 2 generations later, still 85 IQ.Why?
Because white immigrants and blacks are two different groups with different genetic makeups? This is pretty obvious answer I don't get why you are still bringing this up as if it was some witty rebuttal.

>>12095833
>Perhaps if you did some more reading and looked at what I have brought up instead of keep responding with "stopped reading here",
I most certainly did more reading on IQ testing than you. Saying IQ tests don't measure g indicates you are pretty clueless about this topic. Maybe you said some true things in the rest of your comment but it is highly unlikely and I don't intend to find it out.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:03:58 2020 No.12095851
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>>12089354
>Is there a biological reason for this?

Yes there is, DNA doesn't care about IQ tests. DNA only cares about its survival to the next generation.

What IQ do you think a fly has? It doesn't matter is the answer.

IQ may help one species exterminate the other but the fact that the low IQ population still exists means IQ is indeed irrelevant for survival looking at the bigger picture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:05:38 2020 No.12095855 >>12095842 You're not pointing out "facts". You are biased. To say that intelligence is not related to genetics is just plain wrong. I grew up in a shitty environment and shitty parents. Fuck off with that bullshit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:07:13 2020 No.12095859

>>12095842
If IQ tests are knowledge based, then how come we see persistent differences in IQ scores along racial lines no matter which country tests?
Is the situation for blacks in the UK the same as it is for blacks in America? Are Iranians as a whole doing worse in their own country than US blacks?
What about the good test scores of Mongolians? Do they have better schooling than Germans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:08:43 2020 No.12095863 >>12095851 Not irrelevant, but the advantage of a good IQ can be made up for by other genetic factors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:09:37 2020 No.12095868 >>12089354 Chinese people cheating... but we know from anime and Kpop that south koreans and japanese are genuinely higher intelligence

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:13:15 2020 No.12095876 >>12095839 USA

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:15:17 2020 No.12095881

>>12095855
>You are biased
>To say that intelligence is not related to genetics is just plain wrong.
Isn't it amazing that the guy who calls me biased doesn't even understand what I'm talking about and has a mental block at "hurr durr ooga booga nigga dum"

IQ TEST DO NOT FUCKING MEASURE INTELLIGENCE. Where is the mention of genetics in this statement?

Now, once you finally get that through your thick skull, you peasant tier retard, you'll finally understand what I mean by IQ (NOT INTELLIGENCE, but IQ SCORES!!!!) IS NOT RELATED TO FUCKING GENETICS. Since IQ is not measuring intelligence, IQ isn't genetic. Intelligence is genetic, never claimed otherwise. but IQ is not. Why is it so fucking hard for idiots like you to understand this? Saying IQ is genetic would amount to saying something along the line of your college degree is genetic. IQ test do not measure some mysterious "g", they ask you to find patterns that your teacher in elementary school and high school taught you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:18:15 2020 No.12095889 >>12095881 still wrong, but getting fun to see your poor emotional restraint

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:20:14 2020 No.12095894 >>12095881 >Since IQ is not measuring intelligence, IQ isn't genetic. Intelligence is genetic, lmao these statements don't even logically follow and they don't make sense individually either. Saying "X is genetic" is absolute nonsense.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:23:43 2020 No.12095903

>>12095876
White US scores around 100.

>>12095495
But you're probably talking about those countries named here. Well, why couldn't blacks increase their IQ in the same timespan? They had more time than the immigrants. Black Americans also have more wealth per capita than a lot of those countries from the quoted post.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:26:10 2020 No.12095907

>>12095881
>IQ TEST DO NOT FUCKING MEASURE INTELLIGENCE.
Wrong. They accurately predict general success at cognitive tasks. An IQ test can predict which kid is likely to succeed getting a university degree. Any degree. So the "knowledge" that was learned to score high on this IQ test is not the same knowledge that was then used to study say philosophy.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:29:51 2020 No.12095915

>>12095881
>IQ TEST DO NOT MEASURE INTELLIGENCE
Jesus fuck how delusion must you be to claim such a bold statement. Sure it does not accurately measure every nuances of intelligence. But you must be so dumb to flat out say that. All this nit-picky shit on defining intelligence is worthless. The fact is that IQ and success in life has a correlation. IQ and the ability to acquire skill has a correlation. IQ and rationality has correlation.
There are flaws in IQ tests but there are still undoubtedly true relations with observations and statistics. IQ tests are different. There are ones that make less sense and ones that make more sense. Stop twisting stuff up.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:30:06 2020 No.12095916

>>12095894
>IQ tests measure knowledge (as argued before), taught throughout childhood
>Knowledge is learned through school and life experiences
>there aren't genes in your DNA that code adding two numbers together, or rotating a shape, etc.
>therefore IQ test do not measure intelligence contained within your genes but your knowledge about certain subjects
>that being said, there is such thing as intelligence
>intelligence is genetic, but isn't measured by IQ tests
>therefore, IQ is not genetic, intelligence is.
>the two things are not the same
>still can't understand that

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:33:53 2020 No.12095926 >>12095916 Are you under the impression that repeating the same incorrect things for the tenth time will make them true? The problem isn't that we don't understand what you are saying, we just don't think it's true.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:36:19 2020 No.12095936

>>12095916
The problem is how you think that IQ tests are based on purely acquired knowledge. Do I need book smart knowledge to know patterns? IQ tests tests on your ability to see patterns and connect things. There are no questions saying "Who founded america" or "What is the latin for minus", which are all acquired knowledge. Therefore those who see patterns and correlations have intelligence. And there are races that generally score higher on these. Therefore leading to a correlation that has yet to be disproven even today.
How is this so hard for you to understand?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:36:41 2020 No.12095938

>>12095915
>Jesus fuck how delusion must you be to claim such a bold statement
I can say that by not being a retard, looking at actual IQ tests, which you can find on libgen (the official ones), and realizing that every single fucking pattern in them are mathematical and taught in school. Since those patterns are taught in school, the IQ test asks you to apply that knowledge to solve their shitty patterns. The same way that you're taught algebra, and the algebra test asks you to solve problems based on what was taught to you. Is an algebra test an accurate measurement of intelligence? Why is it that you can do algebra in your sleep at 20 but struggled getting 100% on all y our test back in high school? Why am I deluded for saying that IQ tests measure knowledge, not intelligence?
>>12095907
>So the "knowledge" that was learned to score high on this IQ test is not the same knowledge that was then used to study say philosophy.
But you still need that "knowledge" to score high. What if you haven't learned that "knowledge" for whatever reason. Does that mean you're dumb? You're incapable of learning anything because you haven't learned specifically about what's inside the IQ test? What if IQ tests had questions about shake-spear's plays? What if you're from a country that doesn't teach shake-spear at school? Does that mean you're dumb? You're not going to be able to get a degree in X,Y,Z because the "IQ" test you took gave you a low score?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:41:00 2020 No.12095949

>>12095938
If you're smart, you acquire that knowledge going to school. If you are in a school that's dominated by your own genotype and thus horrible, your genotype does not provide an environment to express high IQs. Simple as.

Besides, you colossal dummy. IQ doesn't test for knowledge, but the application of knowledge. Even if you learn calculus and thus have a better chance at doing well, you still need to apply the knowledge and that is measured. Application of knowledge is intelligence. The amount of knowledge a function of intelligence. Thus IQ test results are about intelligence.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:41:24 2020 No.12095950

>>12095936
>The problem is how you think that IQ tests are based on purely acquired knowledge.
Every pattern is acquired. If you learned and have been exposed to those patterns, you'll score better. If I gave you an "Iq" test in which I asked you to do a specific task. Let's say make a pizza. Are you dumb because you made a shitty pizza, and is the guy working at the pizzeria around the block a genius for being able to toss pizzas in the air? That's something you learned, then kept doing and got good at it. Then I tested you on it and you scored high. IQ tests are mathematical tests. If you were taught math, and practices it, you'll score higher on it, it's that simple. If you think IQ tests are not mathemtical, then you've never seen one in your entire life. There algebra, sequence, vocabulary, puzzles, rotation, translation, addition, subtractions, etc. All learned in school. Would you be able to solve an integral if you never took a calculus lesson? Would you be able to fly a plane without ever taking lessons? So why is it that some kid from africa who never stepped inside a class room in his entire life, dumb for not being able to perform some mathematical operation he's never been taught before on an IQ test?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:42:13 2020 No.12095952

>>12095938
>You're not going to be able to get a degree in X,Y,Z because the "IQ" test you took gave you a low score?
Well, results on IQ tests are very decent predictors of success in getting a degree. So the chances are high that if I can't score high on an IQ test, neither will I do well academically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:43:42 2020 No.12095953 >>12095950 Why do Mongolians score as well as Europeans?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:43:52 2020 No.12095954

>>12095926
>we just don't think it's true.
and yet haven't managed to give one example of why it's false. I won't have to repeat myself if you could point out where I'm wrong. But then again, I won't expect someone to actually do such a mentally challenging task when he replies with this
>>12095894
>>12095889
>>12095850
>>12095824
>stopped reading there
>don't intend to find it out
>muh emotions
>hurr durr, doesn't make sense, no mention as to why

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:47:04 2020 No.12095960 >>12090395 >god hates dark skinned people

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:49:09 2020 No.12095967

>>12095938
Again with the school shit. Think for a second. Why do you think Math, algebra, and all this stuff exist? Did someone make them? Were these concepts made arbitrarily?
The answer is: No. Humans are naturally mathematic. Humans are natural at recognizing patterns, and MATH is purely a subject that focuses on that matter. It's that simple.
IQ tests do not show complicated equations for fucks sake. How can you even say that. The questions are straightforward and easy to read. And you don't need a college degree to know them. Let me say it clearly for you. If you did not have basic elementary level understanding of things, then you were probably not nurtured well. Not being nurtured mentally is a downside because it is an obvious sign that you lacked proper mental and rational guidance at a young age, resulting in you, having problems with normal cognitive and rational perceptions. If a human baby is born right, taught basic language, arithmetics, and skills. And interact with the world around them, then it is safe to say that he or she can take an IQ test without problem. It really is not about the school mending you brain.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:49:47 2020 No.12095968

>>12095949
>If you're smart, you acquire that knowledge going to school
yes
>If you are in a school that's dominated by your own genotype and thus horrible, your genotype does not provide an environment to express high IQs
Or perhaps, the environment is terrible because they are broke, need money, can't attend to school because they need to pick a job to help their family, or need to start peddling drugs or join a gang because the education system they are provided is trash, with teachers that don't care. Over time, it creates a culture where joining a gang is the norm, skipping class and peddling drugs becomes acceptable and so on. There are many studies in human (as well as animal) behaviour that shows how the ways of people who came before you ends up spreading to the next generation, even when the original group has been removed. The conditions of blacks in most western countries were pretty horrible until very recently. they weren't allowed to vote until 1965, and their conditions only started to improve later on. It takes time to change, and we're already seeing it. As stated earlier, blacks in UK schools perform on the same level as whites. UK society tends to be more equal and fair.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:52:38 2020 No.12095973

>>12095952
>So the chances are high that if I can't score high on an IQ test, neither will I do well academically.
But that has nothing to do with intelligence. Having a bad childhood education will result in being unable to attend higher education, end up doing a menial job, living slightly above poverty, etc. It doesn't mean you're not smart. I've met quite a lot of people I considered to be smart people, who due to their circumstances, haven't succeeded at school, not because they were dumb but because they had to drop out to help family or due to other financial or health issues. This is especially common in poorer countries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:53:07 2020 No.12095975 >>12095950 >Pattern is acquired. Dude please tell me you're joking. As an aspiring Anthropologist, that is just so wrong on so many levels. Humans are more alike then you think they are (ironically)

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 17:58:35 2020 No.12095987

>>12095967
>Again with the school shit. Think for a second. Why do you think Math, algebra, and all this stuff exist? Did someone make them?
Someone discovered them. But they didn't discover all of math while doing a 60 minute IQ quiz. Do you expect someone to write their own textbook on algebra after looking at 1 question on an IQ test, within the allocated 10, 20 or 60 minutes? Sure, I could rediscover the wheel, but it takes time. And IQ tests are timed. It gives a significant advantage to people who have learned the patterns and were exposed a lot to it. It goes back to the pizzeria scenario. If I give you a test that measures your intelligence based on how many pizzas you can cook in 60 minutes. Is the guy working at the pizzeria for 10 years smarter than the physics graduate because he can cook more pizzas? What about an IQ test where I test you on math concepts. Is the pizzeria guy dumber than a math major who've studied math for the most part of his life because he can realize in the first square, the shape is upright, the second, it's rotated by 30 degrees, in the third by 60 degrees and so on until the last one?
>Humans are natural at recognizing patterns, and MATH is purely
And how do humans recognize patterns? By seeing them OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Whos more likely to tell the pattern on an IQ test using rotation? The guy whos been doing trigonometry for his whole life or the guy who's been walking 10 miles for water daily?
>And you don't need a college degree to know them
Once again, I never claimed that. You learn those patterns in elementary and high school and they are reinforced the longer you're at school.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:00:47 2020 No.12095992

>>12095968
Chicken, egg. Black IQ scores are lacking globally, no matter the environment.

>>12095973
That has a lot to do with IQ. High IQ people with a shitty childhood will still be able to attain something better than what they came from. If they don't manage a degree, their high IQ, passed on to their children, will lead to their children getting a degree.

>>12095975
This dudes ramblings aren't backed by any hard data. He's desperate to defend his position.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:00:47 2020 No.12095993

>>12095968
>Need to start peddling drugs or join a gang
If you are smart, then you'd probably think of a less dumb and future endangering decision. The fact that they cannot think of other solution and go for a convenient one that involves mindlessly shooting people, shows their stupidity, aka, unintelligence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:02:32 2020 No.12095998 >>12095987 YES PATTERNS ARE NATURAL. WE HUMANS ARE EVOLVED TO KNOW THESE PATTERNS OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE COME THIS FAR. jesuss do I really need to put in caps for you to read it properly.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:02:44 2020 No.12095999

>>12095968
>The conditions of blacks in most western countries were pretty horrible until very recently. they weren't allowed to vote until 1965, and their conditions only started to improve later on.
Europe never had a racial segregation or denied black citizen the right to vote. They were also not put into ghettos or anything and put into the same education as white kids. Yet they still show an IQ gap.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:05:04 2020 No.12096005

>>12095975
You're born knowing the stove is hot? You know right away that a stove is hot or have you learned it's hot by watching people not touch the stove, by trying to touch it and realizing the closer you get the hotter it is, or perhaps even burning yourself when touching it? Have you never tried to do something dangerous as a toddler, and have your parents stop you? Have you ever seen a lion in real life? Any other wild animal? How would you know they are dangerous? Where did you see the pattern? The fact is, you learn a pattern from experiencing it. Being an aspiring anthropologist doesn't change that. You're not born knowing how to read an analog clock, you're taught how it works. And then, if on an IQ test (and once again, there are such questions on the tests), you have a grid with circles that have small lines in it that looks exactly like the hand of an analog clock, in the first square, the clock reads 1, second 2, third 3, and so on. And you figure in the 9th square, it's supposed to be a clock pointing to 9, that capacity to solve the puzzle was ingrained in your DNA? What about the newer generations, which already (countless news article about it) are absolutely incapable of reading analog clocks, see:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/04/24/schools-removing-analogue-clocks-exam-halls-teenagers-unable/

Aren't they disadvantaged in such questions? The answer is yes, they are. You could eventually figure it out, but the tests are timed. The person who solves more question scores higher. He's not "discovering" the pattern, he knows the pattern.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:10:48 2020 No.12096016 >>12091367 >Implies he's wrong You polfags aren't fooling anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:11:47 2020 No.12096018 >>12096005 Reminder that trans racial adoption studies btfo you. Niggers growing up in the exact same environment, household and other conditions still perform worse than whites so its very clearly something in their nigger brain caused by genes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:13:24 2020 No.12096026 >>12096016 I'm a /pol/fag and I just want them to fuck off out of Europe, they can shit up their homelands all they want. Not going to bother expending the effort trying to exterminate them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:13:56 2020 No.12096029

>>12096005
YES. YES AND THAT IS WHY NURTURE IS A THING.
Humans fresh from birth are dumb and defenseless creatures. That is why if you are not nurtured well, obviously, you will have problems, regardless if you have good genes. Humans are born as an empty shell, that is why humans are instinctively protective of the young. As for the ridiculous stove argument. Yes, that is acquired knowledge, but good IQ tests do not involve things that are acquired unless the IQ tests are made for schools to distribute to kids to are not ignorant of daily appliances. That proves my argument that despite having good genes for a good brain, if you are not brought up right, then of course you're going to have problems solving a test that are meant for people with common sense and knowledge. God, do you really not know basic science?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:14:20 2020 No.12096031 >>12090443 Maybe whites shouldn't have made themselves look like something evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:15:55 2020 No.12096036 >>12096031 (((whites))) who own the media propagate that image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:16:51 2020 No.12096038 >>12090462 >Race relations were doing really well only a few decades ago. No they weren't. Just because you're white and privileged doesn't mean race relations were good.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:17:16 2020 No.12096039

>>12096018
Reminder that just because you live within a white household, it doesn't mean you have the same conditions outside of it. Perhaps the white kids is favoured in the household, perhaps not, but perhaps he's bullied in his white school. Perhaps the teacher pays less attention to him. Perhaps he gets discriminated against from future employers, or by the police. You think that black people living in white households have no longer the issues that other blacks experience. They do. How many times are black people pulled over by cops because they're driving in a nice car and the cops think it's stolen? What if he was on his way to work, and he's always late because of it and ends up losing his job? What if he was on his way to an interview for a new job and ends up failing it for being late? Being more likely to denied as a tenant? Denied for loans? Those are small things that don't change because you're raised in a white family, and that overtime, drastically changes your living conditions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:20:48 2020 No.12096048 >>12096039 And these conditions are a global worldwide phenomenon? Everyone treats niggers like shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:20:49 2020 No.12096049 >>12094172 That does not change the fact it was made by an obessed schizo that never gave a source. That article segment is a copy paste.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:23:30 2020 No.12096055

>>12096005
Being afraid of lions is not a pattern. Knowing what a stove is, is not a pattern. Yes, you know patterns from experience, but would you really understand patterns without something in your psychology or genes that enables you to do so? All animals can recognize things. Humans are just better at it. Because we evolved to have the genes to BE better at it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:23:55 2020 No.12096056

>>12096029
>but good IQ tests do not involve things that are acquired
Can you name one specific IQ test that does not involve acquired knowledge? Every IQ test out there, online or offline, official or unofficial uses acquired knowledge, whether you realize it or not. The Raven matrices test (standard, advanced colored, or SPM+) all use acquired knowledge, although it's hard for some people to notice. For instance>>12095409 uses the concept of symmetrical axis and the fibonacci sequence. It's a very hard question to solve, but once I tell you those two things, you should be able to solve it right away. The sequences 1,2,3 in the reply also are all the fibonacci sequence, expressed in decimal, roman numerals, and binary where B = 1 and A = 0. Such questions also are present on IQ tests.
Any Weschler IQ test, wonderlic, Standford-Binet, etc. all have questions that depends on previously learned patterns and are among the most popular for job interviews, psychometric studies/evaluation, etc.
>if you are not brought up right, then of course you're going to have problems solving a test that are meant for people with common sense and knowledge. God, do you really not know basic science?
And yet this is exactly what I've been sayign here: >>12095701
IQ tests do not measure intelligence, they measure how well you take an IQ test, and are therefore completely irrelevant across individuals, groups or countries with different environments.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:25:06 2020 No.12096059

>>12096048
>And these conditions are a global worldwide phenomenon
It is present to different degrees across different countries. It's present in Canada, US, UK, don't know about others. But the ones that tend to be fairer with their black population such as Canada or the UK have blacks doing better. Crimes are lower as well.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:27:06 2020 No.12096063

>>12095409
>1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, ?
>Someone who learned about the fibonacci sequence could easily find it. Doesn't even need to think for more than 5 seconds. And there are IQ tests that use the fibonacci sequence. For instance, pic related.

It shouldn't take you more than 10 seconds even if you've never heard of Fibonacci, 'add the two previous numbers to get the next' isn't exactly a complicated pattern.

Also, the image you posted: you just add the number of axes of symettry across the rows. You don't need to know anything about the fibonacci sequence.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:33:03 2020 No.12096074

>>12096056
You do NOT need to know the name of a pattern to KNOW it is a pattern.
Heck, I was shit in math and i didn't know shit about the Fibonacci sequence when I was in school taking an IQ test, but even then, it clicked, I knew it was a pattern and I SAW the pattern without knowing what the fuck a fibonacci was at the time. Is that enough proof to show you that patterns are natural for us to know? There is no such thing as a question without having acquired knowledge. Acquired knowledge is the bridge to connect our innate understanding of pattern and logic.
If you do not know a LANGUAGE, then OBVIOUSLY, you would not know how to read shit now do you??
>therefore completely irrelevant across individuals, groups, or countries.
Do you really think all IQ tests are in the same language and have same questions that uses the same subject that is acquired? Just stop

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:33:54 2020 No.12096079 File: 35 KB, 233x217, CRYING.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12089410 >facts and science are rayciss go back to vodoo then negro and get off our board

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:34:30 2020 No.12096082

>>12096055
>lions is not a pattern
That's not the pattern, the pattern is that lions represent a danger. Misrepresented what I said.
>Knowing what a stove is, is not a pattern
That's not the pattern, the pattern is that stoves are hot and can hut you. Misrepresented what I said again.
>Yes, you know patterns from experience
Great, we agree on something
>but would you really understand patterns without something in your psychology or genes that enables you to do so?
Is there anything on the majority of IQ test that asks you to justify in detail why you chose a specific shape? Not all of them. And those that do have it, wouldn't a valid justification for the pattern selected would be explaining the pattern as you learned it in school? Wouldn't it be easier to learn a pattern through someone teaching it to you than completely on your own? How many times in your life have you come up through pure pattern recognition and no help whatsoever based on previous work of other people to things like Newtons laws? To Maxwells laws? To a detailed mechanism to solve algebra? To a numbering system, whatever that may be? If you did, would you be able to do so from scratch 60 times in the case of the raven's progressive matrices in 60 minutes? Do you truly believe that a toddler could score better on the raven's progressive matrices than a university graduate? It's obvious that it is not the case, even though they are both tapping into their capacity to discern patterns. What about a 6 year old and a university graduate? What about a 10 year old and university graduate? They are both after all tapping into their capacity to detect patterns. Yet, they can't score the same. This is why the norms for a 6 year old is different from the norms of a 20 year old. You could score 30/60 on the test as a 6 year old and you would be in the 99th percentile. You would need to score 60/60 at 20 to be in the 99th percentile (which is why there are newer tests, old ones got too easy).

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:41:19 2020 No.12096098

>>12096074
>Heck, I was shit in math and i didn't know shit about the Fibonacci sequence
The Fibonacci sequence is an easy sequence, it wasn't meant to be hard, but don't pretend for a second you could discern the pattern without knowing what a sequence is, how to add numbers together and what numbers mean.
>add the two previous numbers to get the next' isn't exactly a complicated pattern.
This doesn't explain why the first row is 1,1,2, the second row 1,2,3 and the third row is 2,3,5. You could apply your logic, but it's incomplete. It's the fibonacci sequence, it fits perfectly, it explains why each row isn't just 1,1,2-1,1,2 and 2,2,4 and instead follows the fibonaci sequence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:41:36 2020 No.12096100 >>12090204 what the actual fuck? Who the fuck would comb pornhub for comments to make this? You need fucking help dude seriously. You are talking bosessed? Take meds

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:43:31 2020 No.12096105

>>12096074
>Do you really think all IQ tests are in the same language and have same questions that uses the same subject that is acquired? Just stop
>Hasn't heard of the Raven's progressive matrices
>still thinks it's okay to compare the norms in one country with the one in another.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:44:39 2020 No.12096107

>>12092688
>Go out every day and eat berries and dirt, rape and beat every nigress in sight

This isn't true at all you retard. Believing in the African hunter-gatherer meme is the easiest way to tell you have no idea of what the fuck you are talking about. Africa has been dominated by subsistence farming for thousands of years.

> learn how to farm, tend to animals, create structures and tools, function within a complex social environment

All of this applies to Africa as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:46:20 2020 No.12096113 >>12096100 They are obsessed. If I was racist I would like to stay away from minority and not go online and talk about them all days

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:52:23 2020 No.12096128

>>12096082
All I got from reading your statement is that you must really suck at seeing patterns. well I knew that from that start anyway. You're in the assumption that pattern is only taught. Where do you think the teachers got their understanding of patterns? From THEIR teachers; I predict you'd say. But try doing that to every generation. You'd wind up in the stone ages where there was no education, only the world that you can interact with. Humans are natural with patterns and connecting things. Because we are smarter, we are evolved to be smarter and recognize things in nature without thinking. All the observations and thought process of our ancestors piled up and each pile we evolve to better understand things. If you put a human in a patternless world, they'd be confuse. If you put a human in a world of pattern, they will strive. You use the argument of the education system and such to make such simple logic into a stretch. Even if there were no school teaching us these things, eventually we would teach ourselves.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:01:45 2020 No.12096155

>>12096098
You are on an extreme stretch on your argument.
Seriously, go ask a scientist, a psychologist, an Anthropologist, a neurologist, and you'd get the same answer. Humans are evolved to see patterns. Even if you take away the education system that you oh so hate. It's the same. Humans will still see the same old pattern and use their same innate human logic to see them and apply them and then eventually teach them. It's in our damn psychology for fucks sake and there is nothing else to say about that. Every culture and civilization are same minded on these things like you don't need to be smart to know this, and you can research them to see for yourself. What your implying is so outfetched and unreasonable. Our logical though process isn't like language where words are arbitrary to their meaning and untraceable with logic. You're inherently saying that innate human logic does not exist.
Your argument is false, so stop.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:05:27 2020 No.12096163

>>12096128
>You're in the assumption that pattern is only taught
no, not at all. I am saying that when you're taught a pattern, it's easier to see it. All patterns on an IQ tests are taught. Therefore, it's easier for someone to do an IQ tests if they know the patterns than someone who doesn't and will score higher. They are not better at pattern recognition, they just know more patterns. So the IQ test does not measure pattern recognition at all unless the patterns are not patterns that are taught.
>From THEIR teachers; I predict you'd say. But try doing that to every generation
Congratulations, you know what passing down discovered knowledge is. Now think for a second, how exactly was algebra discovered? Did the guy who discovered algebra also discovered how to add/subtract,multiply,divide,square,root,etc all on his own? Or did he build upon research and disoveries made previously? You think that IQ tests are designed so everyone who takes them discovers the pattern all on their own. But the fact is, all those patterns are already learned in school. You see those patterns and go "Hey, I know this! It's simple rotation", or "Hey, I know this! It's simple add/sub". You don't go, ok hold on, let me rediscover the entire concept of angles, trigonometry, etc. to solve this simple rotation problem. Someone who hasn't learned about angles, rotation, etc. has a harder time finding it. And a harder time manipulating it, because he doesn't have experience with it. And this simple fact is why IQ tests are bullshit. If it's all about pattern recognition, then why is it timed? There is no way you could even come up to one simple pattern such as rotation without thinking long and hard about such concept. Did Pythagoras come up with the Pythagorean theorem in 5 minutes? What if I have
3,4,5
5,12,13
8,15,?
You think the guy who solves this question would figure out that the digits are the side of a right triangle, and figure out the Pythagoras theorem all on an IQ test? No.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:10:41 2020 No.12096177
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>humans are different in all sorts of ways, this is understood
>NOOO WE CANT HECKIN BE DIFFERENT COGNITIVELY WE'RE THE EXACT SAME EVEN THIS ONE GROUP THAT UNDERPERFORMS CONSISTENTLY THE WORLD OVER

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:23:27 2020 No.12096204

>>12096163
>Passing down of discovered knowledge
And how was the knowledge discovered? Ah yes, with logic. Logic that all human beings have.
Yes, a person can solve the problem, but not understand the whole thing. Again, IQ test require some basic acquired knowledge to prove how far your logical understanding can go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:27:57 2020 No.12096220 >>12089354 genetic drift. Population wide changes that are random and caused by certain genes randomly gaining or losing frequency.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:30:57 2020 No.12096232

>>12089354
I think it was the ease of access to resources caused by the geographical reality of it almost never getting below 50 degrees Fahrenheit, they don't have to do any long term planning or preparation like the europeans or asians had to for winter.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:33:36 2020 No.12096251

>>12096163
That is one flaw of the IQ test. Some are just taught more than others. But still, it is undeniable that IQ tests do measure an amount of intelligence. Take an environment where everyone is equally taught instead. There will still be differences

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:33:36 2020 No.12096252 >>12096177 big difference between all humans are different and black people are useless retards who need to be exterminated

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:06:55 2020 No.12096325

>>12095811
>IQ tests do not measure intelligence. It might be possible to measure it, but not with an IQ test.
Two people of the same age and knowledge level take the same test, and one outscores the other by a wide margin. What is your explanation when acquired knowledge can't be the reason for the difference? Why do some people learn significantly faster than others given the same content?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:09:11 2020 No.12096330 >>12095916 no genetic basis for areas of the brain involved in visualization? I'm starting to see why you're so ranty about IQ tests

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:11:08 2020 No.12096334 >>12095954 you're so histrionic about this subject you're outright presuming those posts are the same person

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:13:40 2020 No.12096341 >>12096056 you are deeply, deeply confused between a thing, and the naming or it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:14:42 2020 No.12096343 >>12096341 *of it it's as if you believe naming, organizing, coding a thing is that thing's actual moment of creation

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:16:22 2020 No.12096349 >>12096063 exactly. but this guy can't even handle the simple question his explanation demands: who then taught Fibonacci? If these are learned 'knowledge' things, how in the world could they be discovered?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:19:03 2020 No.12096356 >>12095950 >Every pattern is acquired. Then it would be impossible to learn new patterns if you always needed to "acquire" them in order to identify them. Intelligent people can identify novel patterns.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:24:16 2020 No.12096365

>>12096038
What do you think happens when you constantly tell white people they're bad and their entire history is bad, everything they've ever done and everything they've ever stood for is bad and then you create a new group called "people of color" which stands only to separate literally every single person from whites, then you indoctrinate them into thinking whites are evil and bad and oppressing them and that every single bad thing that happens to them is because of whites.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:35:53 2020 No.12096386

>>12095954
Here's a reason why you're wrong. IQ tests have predictive validity for any cognitive task. Even those that require completely new knowledge.

Another? IQ tests work by APPLYING the knowledge or finding the underlying pattern. Thus IQ tests don't test for knowledge but rather aptitude at finding solutions to cognitive challenges. In other words, intelligence.

Another? The issues you raise can be accounted for in testing. For example by testing only university students. Who presumably all have the basic knowledge you think is necessary to survive an IQ test.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:36:30 2020 No.12096387 >>12096232 Infrequent rain, drought, and desertification is way worse than whatever the fuck Europeans and Asians have to deal with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:37:46 2020 No.12096389 >>12096365 Simply reading history makes whites look bad. No need to brainwash anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:40:52 2020 No.12096394 >>12096365 No one needs to go out of their way to make whites look bad for people to dislike them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:49:25 2020 No.12096412

>>12096387
For most of human history, population density was low enough that nearly all humans lived near rivers or on otherwise highly fertile lands.
Droughts only became a big deal with the switch to agriculturalism ~12k years ago. Before that, hunter gatherers, even sedentary ones, could always exploit a different food source when there was need.
For example, if the fruits don't grow in one year, then more of the migrating herdes can be taken.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 20:51:59 2020 No.12096417 >>12096394 And no one needs to go out of their way to make urban american blacks look bad... what happened to your point about it not being 'race'?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:00:03 2020 No.12096431 >>12096412 Most Africans aren't hunter-gatherers so I don't know how that's relevant to what I said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:08:29 2020 No.12096447 >>12096387 First off the Saharan desert was not nearly as big as it is now. Once desertification starts, it is permanent, and all humanity abandons it. Most Africans do not live there and they had much more forest cover and trees with fruit and shade.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:24:40 2020 No.12096484

>>12096252
No one said they need to be exterminated what SMART people are doing is trying to stop the fucking kike madness in western nations trying to convince smooth brained retards nigs cant be successful because muh systemic white supremacy to use them as their communist useful idiots. They are destroying western nations with these idiotic policies trying to everything in the world to keep from admitting nigs just arent as smart as the other races. They will invent every excuse in the world to keep from admitting the truth that is indisputable, You can't solve problems if you won't even honestly admit what the problem is. Enough is fucking enough, this was a failed experiment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:30:27 2020 No.12096496 >>12096394 coming from a negro this is quite comical 13/50. How about you stop raping and murdering everywhere you go if you want people to take you seriously. You are like domesticated wild animals https://www.bitchute.com/video/5cX521rs7ydO/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:32:46 2020 No.12096505 >>12096389 We were the people who started writing it down. The history of negores is literally just raping murdering and fucking in mud even still to this day

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:34:39 2020 No.12096511 >>12096431 >for most of human history >but today... Pls, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:36:54 2020 No.12096515 File: 146 KB, 1048x950, tumblr_mciquq0SxB1qjcpkx-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12096505 Africa has plenty of history and your retarded babbling and lies won't fool anyone who does their research.

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