DNA compatibility

[Anonymous No.12070554]

when do we start seeing reproduction impossibility between hominids?

>one of us with a nort sentinelese islander
>human with monkey

[Anonymous No.12070566]

>>12070554
I heard that these guys don't know how to make fire, how is that possible when Homo erectus already knew?

[Anonymous No.12070568]

At this point the genetically closest extant species to humans is chimpanzee, anything that looks more human than a chimp is interbreedable with humans.

[Anonymous No.12070572]

it would be possible to reproduce with a north sentinelese

[Anonymous No.12070580]

>>12070566
they are the stage where they dont make fire but wait for lightning strikes and keep the embers as long as they can. Making fire is not a skill automatically known, modern white people do not automatically know how to make fire in the wild.

We know erectus knew how to do it, or at least some of the groups there knew but at this level of technology this is the kind of knowledge that can easily be lost and rediscovered many times. They have no way to record knowledge.

[Anonymous No.12070596]

>>12070580
Come on, these guys left Africa when? Even the aboriginals who left earlier know how to do it. Saying that white don't know how is misleading since you can find evidence of fire use in European caves. Theres no explanation satisfying enough. Making fire is a fundamental human skill, almost if not the same as planting things, you don't just lose it or forget to tell further generations.

[Anonymous No.12070630]

>>12070596
Of course you can lose the knowledge if it isn't passed on. Do you think humans are born with the knowledge? How would you explain that extraordinary claim?

[Anonymous No.12070636]

>>12070580
>>12070596
>>12070630
Doesn't easiest (and usually the first) firemaking method require some specific kind of rocks or something. Maybe this island just doesn't have the resources.

[Anonymous No.12070649]

>>12070630
What I'm saying is that making fire was and still is fundamental to survival. You need to cook meat to survive, you need fire in the night to ward off predators. It's a bit puzzling they skipped that, how do they eat raw meat with all the parasites in a tropical region especially? How is it everyone around them can make fire, didn't they trade, or exchange info. It almost seems like they are artificial, either that or they aren't human.

[Anonymous No.12070654]

>>12070596
You sir, are retarded. Not every group of humans instantly discovered fir at the same moment. We have found A FEW instances where humans might have started there own fires in the time of erectus, that does NOT mean every human at the time knew how to make fires. The same way wheels had not been invented in the new world when europeans arrived, you still see charity adverts on TV where africans carry water on their heads because they are yet to invent the wheel. An archeologist who dug up stuff in europe from before the voyagers of exploration would ONLY have proof one particular group of people, or across one area, wheels had been invented, they would be wrong to think humans in the new world had to. I think I've laboured the point enough

[Anonymous No.12070656]

>>12070636
not just any rocks, you need flint and its not everywhere. With the high humidity on North Sentinel I'm gonna hazard a guess you're not going to get a fire just rubbing sticks and shit together like they do on the movies. This could work in the savannah or somewhere dry as fuck.

[Anonymous No.12070657]

>>12070649
You are stuningly retarded, no other animal cooks their food you imbecile but they're still alive. They just get less energy and have higher mortality rate

[Anonymous No.12070663]

>>12070654
No you've and you are the idiot if you don't understand what I'm saying. They don't have to have been the first. Prior to arrival in the sentinel Islands, didn't they trade with others, weren't they curious it's almost as if they can't interact with others.

[Anonymous No.12070665]

>>12070654
And wheels are not as fundamental to survival as fire is, so try another argument.

[Anonymous No.12070666]

>>12070663
Yeah, it's almost as if an isolated group of people on an island don't care about forming international trade routes to give rocks to people...

[Anonymous No.12070670]

>>12070657
Humans cook, all human civilizations except them can cook, you need to go back retard.

[Anonymous No.12070671]

>>12070649
>You need to cook meat to survive
no you don't, it will make your life better sure, but they didn't absolutely need cooked meat to survive. They also lived short, incredibly brutal lives so I doubt they worried much about parasites and shit.

[Anonymous No.12070672]

>>12070665
You're a fucking imbecile, fire isn't vital to survival. It helps populations that's why fire-using people conquered the world, or at least the meme did, but the sentinal islanders aren't competing with anyone who has invented fire

[Anonymous No.12070673]

>>12070666
Yeah, I'm not talking about now, idiot, I'm talking about the centuries leading to their discovery, do you have a learning disability that I have to keep repeating myself?

[Anonymous No.12070681]

>>12070672
They've not lived there for entirety, they crossed Asia to get there, how did they lose what was important to their ancestors?

[Anonymous No.12070682]

>>12070657
Actually in terms of raw energy, raw meat is actually superior to cooked though it obviously has other benefits, there were studies on this.

[Anonymous No.12070687]

>>12070682
It also has tonnes of parasites especially in a tropical region.

[Anonymous No.12070699]

>>12070687
It would but they are rarely fatal, and there wouldn't be as many of them as you'd think

[Anonymous No.12070707]

What is the greatest [math]F_{ST}[/math] difference in humans? I would imagine it's between Bushmen and some other population (possibly a Polynesian one). Could they breed?

[Anonymous No.12070708]

>>12070673
>>12070681
See if you can read this:
YOU ARE A MASSIVE FUCKING RETARD

We don't know if their ancestors started their own fires, even if they did the knowledge might have been lost through death of the person(s) who knew how to do it/not passing on to next generation/ not having the resources/not needing to anymore. The steam engine was invented in ancient greece (called an aeolipile), but the knowledge was lost, then it was 'invented' again in britain in the 1800s. You seem to think humans just innately know how to make fire from birtg, which is WRONG. Fuck it, I'm responding to bait, aren't I?

[Anonymous No.12070711]

>>12070699
The meat they would it does. Herbivore game meat has some nasty parasites, tapeworm, roundworms, anthrax, etc especially if isolated to thrive in an island. Then there's raw fish with salmonella and other brain eating worms that live in marine fish. Then there's the dangers of leaving the meat to fester out in the open when drying it. You've got nasty bacteria like e coli that thrives in such conditions.

[Anonymous No.12070720]

>>12070708
No you are the retard that keep comparing making trains and wheels to something as fundamental as fire, something that has been in existence for hundreds of thousands of years in all human cultures. And even if that's not enough, the fuckers missed all that tech when migrating, they did not meet anyone else with that tech nor were they curious about it.

[Anonymous No.12070724]

Remember these guys fucked

[Anonymous No.12070729]

>>12070707
Homo sapiens could breed with neanderthals and denisovans so I'd say yes.

[Anonymous No.12070734]

>>12070729
We can try testing it empirically.

[Anonymous No.12070736]

>>12070720
Yep, it's bait. In case anyone reads this and gets confused, no the ancestors from sentinel island did not walk all the way from africa to sentinel, bumping into people on the way, generations progressively moved there territory over thousands of years. And no, the world was not a densely populated bastion of technological advancment, so people had no 'technologies' to share with eachother anyway. And no, fire is not innate in the human brain, but the ability to control it gave massive selective advantage to those who possessed that meme, so eventually that meme inhereted the earth.

[Anonymous No.12070739]

>>12070711
well I can guarantee you they are eating raw meat and fish all the time since these guys have fire only periodically. Historically its not even disputed, the hominids and early humans ate a fuckton of raw meat all the time. The usage of fire only got ubiquitous about 100,000 years ago and Homo Sapiens is commonly believed to be three times as old.

[Anonymous No.12070750]

>>12070736
You've not answered my question, they're the only ones who don't have fire among all human cultures, even the remotest aboriginal or the host of tribes in the amazon can make fire. Plus they still expect lightning, so they know what fire is. Plus they have spears which are pointed tools which Homo erectus also had access to in addition to fire. You are trying to downplay the importance of fire and miserably failing. The spears they have are as important as the fire they don't.

[Anonymous No.12070763]

>>12070750
>>12070736
I did answer you're question, read the last part again. I'm not downplaying firse importance (in fact i stress how it's so important it dominated the world, if you read my post.) The internet is 'important' though and they haven't invented that either

[Anonymous No.12070786]

>>12070739
They migrated about 60kya, so by your assumptions, humans already had fire and were accustomed to eating cooked meat. Heck most if not all tribes would have had a name for fire and a well known method to make it since most ate meat at least once a week. How do you forget your own language and how to recreate a weekly process? How do you retain the knowledge of making spears but not making fire? You could also make fire with wood not stone alone.

[Anonymous No.12070817]

>>12070786
They are a good example of how that happens but we have pure conjecture at this point because who the fuck knows how they ended up there in the first place. Two things though.

There are a couple dozen of them out there, max estimates are a couple hundred, thats very few people. Second, the island itself is very small. You need wood of varying hardness to make fire, or proper stone like flint. Most important of all, once you know that fire is something that happens during a storm it is actually a rather hefty cognitive leap to go and figure out you could fucking make fire yourself with a bunch of sticks or stones.

The bank of knowledge these people have is vastly different than yours.

[Anonymous No.12070857]

>>12070786
>Sources: trust me
I don't know anon, how did YOU forget the skills of; metalworking; bow making; hunting; trepanation, or even fire making! Your ancestors much more recently than 60kya have been making fires, do YOU still know how to? Do YOU still speak tge same language your ancestors were speaking 60kya.
The truth is, if you're the faggot who made all the other replies, you're retarded. I will only respond to you're next comment if:
1) It contains PROOF that ALL humans were using fire when they sentinalites seperated.
2) It contains PROOF that a human population can't survive with out fire.
3) And finally, you provide PROOF that no knowledge can ever be lost between generations.
Since I won't be responding, I'd like to say this has been truly autismic, and you are unironically the most retarded person I've interacted with on this site, well done.

[Anonymous No.12070865]

>>12070734
Actually, I believe Indians run illegal human safaris where they'll drive you up to see the savages up close. I'm sure if you bring a few bananas or a coconut or too as a welcome gift, they'll let you fuck one of them.

[Anonymous No.12070873]

>>12070817
I don't have a problem with making fire from first principles. My problem is the story behind how they could have lost it. And how isolated they're from the rest of humanity, not just in geography but knowledge too. It's unintuitive and the explanations offered here do not follow given what we know about human beings. It's almost as if an entire population woke up and forgot. I think it's too artificial of a scenario. Either that or that the people in ancient India deliberately kept them in that island and they were too scared to move out.

[Anonymous No.12070879]

>>12070857
fuck off retard I don't need you to reply, your arguments don't follow, you keep making stupid comparisons, go stick your relevance somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.12070886]

>>12070596
>Making fire is a fundamental human skill, almost if not the same as planting things
Do you know how recently we started planting things?

[Anonymous No.12070896]

>>12070886
I meant for survival in the modern world, not as something we needed to discover first along with fire or pointed sharp stones.

[Anonymous No.12070898]

>>12070711
All of those animals seemed to be coping fine with the parasites.

[Anonymous No.12070913]

>>12070865
Yes it's almost as if the Indians isolated them, kind of like how they isolate themselves within castes. But castes still interact with each other, so that explanation also has some holes.

[Anonymous No.12070920]

>>12070898
Yes so does the pangolin and the bat with coronavirus, stupid comparison really.

[Anonymous No.12070956]

>>12070873
Given how dull their island is its hard to believe they stay there of their own volition (although they have boats, no idea if seaworthy ones), we also dont know just exactly how long they've been there, although the earliest we know of them is 1771 so thats a fair bit of time. People have always travelled these waters heavily, even erectus has sailed them as evidenced by homo floresiensis, so its not hard to see how a group of them could simply shipwreck in large enough a number to survive and get stranded.

Aside from all this it is CONFIRMED THEY USE FIRE they have firepits, build bonfires and shit so it could just as well be are engaging in complete wankery just because someone is like
>nuh uh they cant make fire cause sure aint nobody seen em do

Lastly, they have had a large modern freighter in shallow water right off the shore for 40 years now, MV Primrose, so I dont really think they qualify as uncontacted by now really, they can easily access it and have been known to fashion weapons from shit they found there.

[Anonymous No.12070971]

>>12070956
>Aside from all this it is CONFIRMED THEY USE FIRE
Do you have a sauce for this, also what's the difference between them and the other andaman Islanders?

[Anonymous No.12070989]

>>12070707

[Anonymous No.12071008]

>>12070971
Guy called Triloknath Pandit took an official team there in 1967 for the first time and they got as far as their settlements. He described lean-to huts and ongoing protected fires next to each one. The guy tried many more times but it looks like the Sentinelese eventualy got tired of their shit and turned full hostile since in 1991 they didn't even make it far off the beach.

It's all written about at length so just check it out

[Anonymous No.12071011]

off topic:
since abborigines are estimated to have left africa 50000 years ago, and since their lifestyle is virtually not progressed and their current IQ average is 60, that should mean than 50000 years ago the inhabitants of africa also had similar IQ,which is also about the time europeans migrated to europe, meaning abbos and africans are of about the same intellect as 50000 BC europeans?

so if we impose artificial selection for IQ in the lesser races (sub saharans/abbos) how fast can we bridge the IQ gap?

[Anonymous No.12071021]

>>12071008
Then who started the meme that they don't make fire, there seems to be more info about how they don't rather than how they do. I knew it was bullshit but couldn't find info on it. On this site you'll have people who will argue about things without really thinking about what they're arguing.

[Anonymous No.12071030]

>>12070989
>berber similar to west africa
wtf

[Anonymous No.12071048]

When we colonize space and spread out.

[Anonymous No.12071056]

>>12070649

there's actually a movement of raw meat eaters now and they seem to get by okay. One of these fuckers even eats raw chicken. I'm not saying it is wise,but it's not an instant death sentence.

[Anonymous No.12071094]

>>12070580
I think the point is their underdeveloped brains never got to the point where they felt like fucking around just to see what happens, not that no one ever taught them. Sure, a small isolated tribe has a better excuse to not branch out, especially when they've succesfully survived there for so long. But still. Had I had multiple lifetimes on an island, one of those iterations would surely be bored enough to rub 2 sticks together.

[Anonymous No.12071098]

>>12071011
Bridge it? I thought you were gonna say torch it, cause that can be done in a week or 2.

[Anonymous No.12071104]

>>12071056
Yes, they can do it because they live in modern times, use modern practices, expect to go to hospital when sick.

[Anonymous No.12071107]

>>12071094
their brains are practically the same as yours and you'd never be the one to figure out fire either

[Anonymous No.12071266]

>>12070568
>anything that looks more human than a chimp is interbreedable with humans.
I don't think we've attempted all possible permutations. For instance but no reference, I've read that Europeans couldn't interbreed with Tasmanians when they first arrived on the island despite many attempts.
To truly test this concept, you'd want to try outlier populations.
>Ainu + Bantu
>Inuit + KhoiSan
>Patagonian or Bolivian + Sentinelese
>Australian Abo + African Pygmy
>Patagonian + African Pygmy
And see what happens from there.

[Anonymous No.12071276]

>>12070596
>Come on, these guys left Africa when?
Sentinelese are descended Caucasians. They're likely closer genetically to a German than to a Bantu. Same as how 'negrito' people in East Asia are expressing African-like genes but are actually Taiwanese-type tribal Asians.

[Anonymous No.12071296]

>>12070670
Tasmanians, some Inuit (partially), the Sentinelese and likely others haven't had fire or a use for fire in historic times. There are probably jungle and boat people that also don't cook due to lack of fuel or abundance of rain.
>>12070681
The current North Sentinelese settled that island recently from the islands immediately south. They've chosen to live this way.

[Anonymous No.12071302]

>>12070724
Guys on the right are still around. We just call (((them))) by a different name now.

[Anonymous No.12071345]

>>12071107
abstracting fire isn't that complicated. fire is hot, hot things become fire. maybe make hot thing and become fire? you learn that friction makes things hot pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.12071374]

>>12071011
aboriginals have low IQ because they're human dodos, they regressed.

[Anonymous No.12071383]

>>12071302
Chads?

[Anonymous No.12071404]

>humans came from africa
>meanwhile, cro-magnon man, oldest human remains found in europe

[Anonymous No.12071417]

>>12070649
you don't need to cook meat to survive, humans can eat raw meats and vegetables just fine, it's just that most cooked foods are objectively better than raw foods. half the shit humans eat is completely inedible raw.

[Anonymous No.12071424]

>>12070630
anon, even the Inuit cook. even uncontacted tribes in the middle of nowhere cook. even australian aboriginals cooked their food before we showed up, and they didn't even fucking have fire.

[Anonymous No.12071427]

>>12071404
your point is?

[Anonymous No.12071428]

>>12071427
that looks literally nothing like an african skull.

[Anonymous No.12071433]

>>12071428
despite being a retard your skull looks literally nothing like a pig's but you still have common ancestors

[Anonymous No.12071445]

>>12071433
modern humans evolved in the middle east, then spread out in the cardinal directions around 300,000 years ago. you can't convince me otherwise, fag.

[Anonymous No.12071463]

>>12071445
Apes are not from the middle east

[Anonymous No.12071466]

>>12071445
idk man, i wasn't trying to but it makes no difference either way

[Anonymous No.12071472]

>>12071463
how would you know, that entire region is almost completely devoid of fossils.

[Anonymous No.12071497]

>>12071463
the oldest "human" ancestors left africa like 2 million years ago, there were homo ___ species covering basically every square inch of eurasia.

[Anonymous No.12071517]

>>12071497
You mean erectus. And no. If that's where races came from we would be so different we wouldn't be able to race mix.

[Anonymous No.12071528]

>>12071517
erectus are what led to modern humans homie. the neanderthal and modern humans only split 500,000 years ago, with human fossils showing up in north africa and even parts of southern europe and the middle east dating to 200,000- 300,000 years ago.

[Anonymous No.12071694]

>>12071528
We came from erectus, but the ones in africa. The asia ones are a dead end.

[Anonymous No.12072238]

>>12070554
genetic isolation/separation occurs first at the reproductive level well before off spring is nonviable which could take a verrrrry long time. Already, we see that racemixing to certain groups is clearly preferred against. Subtract the propaganda and you have a clear sexual preference creating genetic isolation.

[Anonymous No.12072936]

>>12070654
Very few people invented the wheel.

[Anonymous No.12072946]

>>12071404
The oldest human remains are from North Africa

[Anonymous No.12074923]

Troll

[Anonymous No.12075256]

I share a board with brainlets that think you're born with the knowledge to start a fire. This board might have a lower IQ than /pol/.
At least /pol/ tries to immediately find out who killed one of their brave warriors after it happens instead of pulling armchair arguments

[Anonymous No.12075262]

>>12072238
Asian women prefer to racemix with white men over their own in general. There is no racial preference. China and Europe would be the same given enough time.

[Anonymous No.12075445]

>>12075256
If only there was funding for creating humanzees, we could slowly uplift them and teach them how to use fire and work assembly lines. Why bother with robotics when evolution did all the work for us.

[Anonymous No.12075496]

>>12070568
shut up nigger lover whites and niggers are different species

[Anonymous No.12075506]

>>12075496
>whites are the yessir massahs in the jew-white relationship
best hope old boy mordecai the field overseer don't cut off your foot tobey

[Anonymous No.12075520]

>>12070670
>Humans cook
Not naturally. It's not something instinctual like eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, violence or fucking. They only cook if they are taught to or (very rare) discover it on their own. You are embarrassingly obtuse.

[Anonymous No.12075540]

>>12070554
All modern humans can bear children amongst themselves.
Even among some of the most genetically distinct ethnic groups, such as Australian aboriginals, exogamous procreation is still possible.

[Anonymous No.12075543]

>>12071427
They were distinct species.