/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12065070]

Science has become arrogant. People think we know so much about the human condition when we really don’t. For instance, why do we sleep? Why do we dream? And what are the mechanisms or reasons behind these things? You may say that hormones make us sleepy but that does not answer the question. We simply do not know.

[Anonymous No.12065076]

>>12065070
>For instance, why do we sleep? Why do we dream? And what are the mechanisms or reasons behind these things?
Science is merely a tool to come to know these things.

[Anonymous No.12065080]

> Why do we sleep?

Obviously, creatures who sleep have an evolutionary advantage over those who don't.

> Why do we dream?

Likely a manifestation of our ability to 'imagine' the future. Again, this is a clear evolutionary advantage.

[Anonymous No.12065086]

>>12065080
>Obviously, creatures who sleep have an evolutionary advantage over those who don't.
How so? A creature that never sleeps could not only accomplish more work but also be aware 24/7 to fend off predators. Not sleeping would be an evolutionary advantage.

[Anonymous No.12065089]

>>12065080
>Again, this is a clear evolutionary advantage.

[Anonymous No.12065090]

>>12065080
this is a good example of the arrogance OP is talking about

[Anonymous No.12065105]

>>12065086
As every single macroscopic living creature does indeed sleep, isn't it empirically obvious?

Being awake 24/7 uses more energy. Obviously the trade-off to not being able to hunt 12 extra hours is advantageous.

[Anonymous No.12065110]

>>12065090
I'm willing to discuss my answers, and am willing to change them if confronted with a persuasive argument. I don't see how that can be considered arrogant in any sense.

[Anonymous No.12065114]

>>12065070
>For instance, why do we sleep?
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30555-9

[Anonymous No.12065115]

>>12065070
There's thousands of scientists working exactly on those problems. No one is arrogant..

[Anonymous No.12065117]

>>12065105
>isn't it empirically obvious?
No, it’s not.

[Anonymous No.12065119]

>>12065114
So why didn’t natural selection favor a process where sleep wasn’t necessary? Surely not having to sleep is an advantage in survival.

[Anonymous No.12065121]

>>12065115
>No one is arrogant..
Kind of an arrogant statement.

[Anonymous No.12065123]

>>12065110
I'm not even the guy you responded to but
>I'm willing to discuss and am willing to change
>says "it's clear" and "obviously" in his first point
>I don't see how that can be considered arrogant
then make it come across that way, christ. you're so dense if you don't realize your first message is exactly what OP was talking about.

[Anonymous No.12065127]

>>12065119
>what is entropy

[Anonymous No.12065134]

>>12065127
What does entropy have to do with this anon? Please explain your thoughts in terms of classical thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.12065140]

>>12065070
>Why do we dream?
I think dreams are for preparing for encounters beforehand. I have many times (and still do) dreamt of very specific things happening and they happen like a month later in real life. Like someone asking a certain question in a meeting, going somewhere I never thought about before; stuff like that.
Therefore people who whould've dreamt of getting attacked by a tiger had an advantage over those who didn't etc.

[Anonymous No.12065141]

>>12065119
Consider any given population of creatures. If not sleeping were advantageous (over sleeping) the population would tend towards those that did not sleep. This is basic evolutionary theory.

As this does not occur, CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY and whatever other word you would like to clutch your pearls at and misconstrue as arrogance, not sleeping is NOT evolutionarily advantageous.

[Anonymous No.12065198]

>>12065119
>Surely not having to sleep is an advantage in survival.
Why?
Typically, creatures hide and sleep in a pretty secure place. So if you're awake 24/7 you need more energy, meaning you need to acquire more food, meaning you need to roam around more, putting you at more risk of encountering dangers than if you were sleeping in your safe den for 20 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.12065227]

>>12065141
>If not sleeping were advantageous (over sleeping) the population would tend towards those that did not sleep.
This does not answer the question and is typical evolutionist COPE. Where is your evidence faggot? You have none and this is conjecture.

[Anonymous No.12065250]

>>12065227
Your existence is evidence.

You have so much free time to post retarded shit, which other animal can do that?

[Anonymous No.12065253]

>>12065198
>So if you're awake 24/7 you need more energy
Says who? Why can’t the animals hide out in their den awake but relaxed to look out for predators and possibly do more work? Natural selection could have done better anon.

[Anonymous No.12065258]

>>12065250
Observe the science retard SEETHE and COPE because he is encountered with contradictory reasoning. It’s quite entertaining to be honest!

[Anonymous No.12065260]

>>12065253
Same reason why retarded shit like this exists in our own bodies.

Those who survive are just good enough, not perfect, and will never be, because each superior lifeform has to try less and less to improve, just look at humans, if not our brain, we'd be on the bottom of the food chain because our bodies are a complete mess.

[Anonymous No.12065272]

>>12065070
>>12065090
>>12065121
>>12065258

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.12065305]

>>12065070
>why do we sleep? Why do we dream? And what are the mechanisms or reasons behind these things?
Because we are all the willing whores of consciousness.

[4chan scientist No.12065311]

>>12065089
Well, yeah. Having a bottomless pit of mental faculties and information storage is a clear evolutionary advantage in the game of killing time.

[Anonymous No.12065326]

>>12065080
please for the love of christ shut the fuck up
when someone asks "why is this behavior demonstrated?" don't fucking answer "because it is evolutionarily advantageous", that is a fucking useless and trivial answer, actually fucking explain why it's evolutionarily advantageous

[Anonymous No.12065334]

>>12065272
>any logic that contradicts my own is /pol/

[Anonymous No.12065340]

>>12065260
>our bodies are a complete mess
Imagine unironically believing this

[Anonymous No.12065344]

>>12065326

I did. In this >>12065105 post.

[Anonymous No.12065352]

>>12065344
Not him but that doesn’t explain why sleep is necessary. You could very well be awake and in a lower-metabolic state.

[Anonymous No.12065362]

>>12065334
>this is arrogant
has nothing to do with science, scientific method cannot be arrogant and human arrogance and your mental illnesses belong in >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.12065365]

>>12065340
The cells you used to read my post are installed backwards in your eyes so I can't blame you for missing the point.

[Anonymous No.12065374]

>>12065352
Yes, that is a more correct implication. I.e. the sleeping behaviour of dolphins etc.

[Anonymous No.12065401]

>>12065362
>t. Butthurt gook or indian/paki

[Anonymous No.12065404]

>>12065365
>The cells you used to read my post are installed backwards in your eyes
According to who?

[Anonymous No.12065414]

>>12065404
>>>/pol/

And don't come back until you learn fundamentals of human anatomy.

[Anonymous No.12065458]

>>12065253
>Says who?
The universe. Idk. For whatever reason, creatures need more energy when they're awake. Of course it could work differently, but it doesn't, because for whatever reason, creatures who slept seemed to have an evolutionary advantage. Conserving energy could be one reason, or maybe we need to sleep so our brains/bodies can repair themselves or process what we experienced while awake.
Maybe consciousness just needs a restart every now and then to clear the ram.

[Anonymous No.12065488]

>>12065080
Stupid retard cunt

[Anonymous No.12065498]

>>12065070
>"Science" has become arrogant.
Yeah, Science used to be pretty cool, but now it's just a chode.
Science isn't a tool to answer every question. It answers a lot of useful ones though, so science gets to stay.

[Anonymous No.12065501]

>>12065488
Truly a compelling argument. Go make your daddy proud and suck on the end of a shotgun.

[Anonymous No.12065503]

>>12065498
>continues giving human qualities to inanimate idea that has always worked and will always work the same
Go schizopost on >>>/pol/ retard

[Anonymous No.12065523]

>>12065503
Malfunction or mad?

[Anonymous No.12065535]

>>12065070
What are the other dimensions Mark?
3 room, 1 time and 4 force dimensions are not enough to get to 11 dimensions Mark

[Anonymous No.12065539]

>>12065070
>why do we sleep? Why do we dream? And what are the mechanisms or reasons behind these things?
There are pretty solid ideas about how to answer these questions. Some of those have emerged in relatively recent years. If you're really interested I can give you a brief overview of some scientific findings that have begun to answer these questions.

[Anonymous No.12065699]

>>12065105
>As every single macroscopic living creature does indeed sleep, isn't it empirically obvious?
Every single macroscopic thing is vulnerable to lava.
>>12065198
Doesn't the dominamce of endothermic organisms make it obvious that being wasteful is somehow advantageous?>>12065260
Why is it retarded? A small percentage has the nerve that failed to loop, so it's fairly reasonable to assume the looped variant is not in any way worse, or it would be selected against in favor of the non-looped variant
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5363258/

[Anonymous No.12065712]

>>12065070
we sleep because our brain needs a rest
we dream to prepare ourselves to challenges (this is why we have nightmares)

[Anonymous No.12065966]

>>12065070
yes, aptly put. It starts when science is for grades in our prussian education system, as if there is right and wrong answers to the interpretation of your observations. Could one be ever more satisfied with the measurements taken, yes, more so with the hypothesis disproven, yes. But science, as well reflected in the intense jargon it never shys away from, is almost afraid to be comprehended, so as to be revealed that those in writing our not seen as 'experts' or priests of the science cult. Anyone educated tends to know the game however, for every thing known that is known, usually two or three known unknowns or unknown knowns pop out, leaving one in humility of their field.

[Anonymous No.12065968]

>>12065070
keep your stupid comments in your pocket

[Anonymous No.12065972]

>>12065699
The point is that you'd never do it like that if you designed human body.

It literally has no reason to be that way other than "at the time it worked so it didn't need to change", which is literally the point I'm making, evolution can't create perfect beings, only ones that are good enough by the standard of
>won't fucking go extinct before they breed

[Anonymous No.12066044]

>>12065972
The point is that variants without the loop occur commonly enough, the fact the looped form remains predominant in virtually allanimals means it likely has some advantage we are not aware if.

[Anonymous No.12066053]

wtf does that have anything to do with arrogance? the human body in life in general are extremely difficult and complicated. even if all scientists pulled on their big boy pants they wouldn't be able to discover more

[Anonymous No.12066351]

>>12065070
>why do we sleep?
Memory consolidation. Amyloid-β clearance.

https://doi.org/10.1038/
s41386-
019-0478-5

>Why do we dream?
Memory consolidation.

10.1126/sciadv.aav1695

>And what are the mechanisms or reasons behind these things?
Good question. We can observe the results, but understanding why they occur is harder to answer.

[Anonymous No.12067597]

>>12065080
>Obviously, creatures who sleep have an evolutionary advantage over those who don't.

Not everything has an advantage or disadvantage. Some things could just be a consequence of something else or the result of evolutionary drift.

[Anonymous No.12067611]

>>12065070
I cannot tell you, it's confidential. Anyway, how is your sex life?