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Talk math
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>> No.12064923

earlier >>12064910

>> No.12064924

>>12064914
math is boring

>> No.12064935
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>Elliptic Curves

>> No.12064938

>>12064923
Rip to you, but this thread is different

>> No.12064941

>>12064935
based

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>>12064914
LOW IQ BRAINLETS CANT SOLVE

>> No.12064947

>>12064944
Bro this isn't math, please post on topic. Nice dubs tho

>> No.12064957

>>12064947
If you can't solve it you're retarded and shouldn't be in math. Try the rocketry general, maybe engineering is more your speed

>> No.12064963

>>12064924

coming back to Bolzano-Weierstrass

In my experience, if you hand-wave to undergrats they start thinking math is a shady, recklessness hand-waving.

Math is in general fascinating by being overdosed, taught in an inappropriate way, or a level to high or to low can sure be boring as hell.

>> No.12064966

>>12064963
I was just about to make a post saying that this is a beautiful theorem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolzano%E2%80%93Weierstrass_theorem

>> No.12064973

>>12064957
try /lit/, you certainly need to improve your reading comprehension
>>12064963
>Math is in general fascinating by being overdosed, taught in an inappropriate way, or a level to high or to low can sure be boring as hell
It's kinda crazy how often math is poorly taught
>>12064966
>this is a beautiful theorem.
I'd give it an 8/10

>> No.12064980

>>12064973
What's a 10/10 theorem for you, anon?

>> No.12064994

>>12064966

still, to prove it you need completeness
and how to prove completeness? shove it as an axiom?

>>12064973

true, but teaching is a delicate thing

>> No.12065010

>>12064980
That's a tough question. It's something I'd want to restrict to exclusively the greatest theorems, which for me would require some criteria, such as:
1. Comfy (Intuitively correct)
2. Useful (Widely applicable)
3. Big (fairly general case)
Bonus points for a clever proof.

I'm definitely missing some criterion here, but that would be some of the big ones. If I were to give some examples of 10/10 theorems, I may suggest ones such as: Any of the "fundamental" theorems, the Jordan curve theorem, Abel-Ruffini, etc

I am more of a fan of Algebra, so I'm sure I'm missing some great theorems in number theory and analysis, but these are just options. Some of these might fall more into the 9/10 category, and honestly I could easily bump Bolzano-Weierstrass one and not lose any sleep

>> No.12065030

>>12065010
What about generalized Stokes'?

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12065041

I'm a CS student who is registered for abstract algebra this coming semester. My friend tells me this course is not so hard, but I put little stake in what he says since he had to retake it. My only experience with proofs is my discrete course, which inspire me to register for this course actually, since I found proofs to be very interesting and felt that doing them would make me a smarter person, but I am wondering how much harder the abstract proofs will be. I also fear school going fully remote which would kill all my motivation. Long story short, I don't want to get my shit completely pushed in this semester, or have to spend more than 20hr a week on the course, should I dereg and take something easy and computational like diffeq instead?
>inb4 CS brainlet
Why do you think I registered to take this hard math course, want to expand my mind a bit beyond code monkey stuff

>> No.12065046

>>12065030
Yeah, that one is pretty nice

>> No.12065052

>>12064994
>teaching is a delicate thing
Couldn't agree more

>> No.12065054

>>12065041
A first course in abstract algebra will have a fair amount of computational stuff in it, but it'll still be proof orientated. I would take that over a diff eq class that is computational based, though, those are a waste of time in my opinion.

>> No.12065087

>>12064980
The residue theorem is 10/10 imo.
Intuitively clear, even obvious, enormously useful and powerful, can be used for a whole bunch of different shit.

>> No.12065092

>>12065041
sorry i dont reply to pedophiles, i mean anime posters

>> No.12065154

>>12065092
absolutely based and spitefulpilled

>> No.12065179

>>12064935
Based as always

>> No.12065252

>>12064914
Can anyone on /mg/ give me a hint on this ? This problem has perplexed me for months :

https://projecteuler.net/problem=604#:~:text=Let%20%24F(N)%24%20be,increasing%20function%20can%20pass%20through.

My current line of thought is that the curve should try to emulate a straight line but I can't prove it, it's just my intuition

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>>12065252
Looks to me like using an array of numbers would come in handy.

>> No.12065292

>>12065087
I struggled hard with the residue theorem and never really got complex analysis on an "intuitive" level at all. How is it intuitive?

>> No.12065300

bros... i love you...

>> No.12065338

>>12065300
Me too?

>> No.12065350

>>12065338
No. Just me.

>> No.12065351 [DELETED] 

>>12064944
I want to say it's B or D, because the sums of the vertical dominoes' nums match those of the tier of its bottom tile, even with a correspondence in the sums being for one tile on each column.

Sadly it breaks down.

>> No.12065371

>>12065282
T-Thanks for the tip

>> No.12065372

>>12064944
Gotta be B.

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>>12065371
we take care of our CStards here at /mg/

>> No.12065422

>>12065371
*Th-Thanks

>> No.12065462

>>12065292
It's just the statement that the complex logarithm is discontinuous on the negative part of the real axis, where it has a jump of [math]2/pi i[\math]. So everything except the coefficient of the pole must vanish (i.e. the residue) when integrating over any closed contour.

>> No.12065489

So you have a matrix right composed of characters. The characters form words but not from left to right. But instead in a spiral format. So for example you’re given the size of the matrix which is correlated with the amount of characters in the word. So take the word commander, it would look like this:

c o m
e r m
d n a

How could you write an algorithm to decode the word mathematically?

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>>12065489
>write an algorithm

>> No.12065561

>>12065489
So for a 3x3 matrix, you want positions 1-2-3-6-9-8-7-4-5? I'm a mathlet that hasn't done any math for a long time.

>> No.12065581

>>12065561
Basically yes

>> No.12065593

>>12064973
>try /lit/, you certainly need to improve your reading comprehension
going in /lit/ to improve reading comprehension is like going on /v/ to get better at vidya

>> No.12065606

>>12065489
a generalised form for nxn, nxm?
look at A=(a_i,j) where i,j gives the position of entry a_i,j and think about how running around the edge of such a matrix changes the position and consequently the subscripts i and j

>> No.12065608

>>12065593
/lit/ is closer to going to /s/ for improving your chances with women

>> No.12065691

>>12065608
in terms of probability of it working they're all at 0

>> No.12065745

[math] \lozenge P [/math]

[math] \diamond P [/math]

or

[math] \diamondsuit P [/math]

?

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12065747

btw. that's

lozenge
diamond
diamondsuit

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fuck this shit. how do i go from the second line to the third?

>> No.12065792

they tell you in the last sentence, apart from which constant it is (c=1+ln(2) is not justified but do you really care?)

>> No.12065798

>>12065792
i saw that, but i don't know how to apply it unfortunately.

>> No.12065819 [DELETED] 

>>12065798
look up the definition of o(f(n)) and plug it into the denominator

>> No.12065822

>>12065798
look up the definition of o(f(n)) and "plug it into" the denominator.
There's might be some "bigger/smaller domination argument" involved

>> No.12065828

is basic maths the best way to start my journey to learn math from the scratch?

Im a semi neet with enough time on my hands so might as well learn something useful instead of just wastig time

>> No.12065839

>>12065828
sounds tautological - yes, start with something you can understand

>> No.12065933

>>12065828
baby logic
baby set theory
baby category theory
baby maths


https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11929176/#11929187

>> No.12066042

>>12064914
Are there any mathematical methids of catching a Lion?

>> No.12066054

>>12066042
Attack it with a skateboard.

>> No.12066066

>>12066042
erect a fence around yourself, then claim the lion is captured in the enclosure and you are in fact on the outside

>> No.12066068

>>12066066
why did you write this?

>> No.12066084

>>12066068
it is an easy way to catch every lion at once, unless you are very silly with your choice of fence

>> No.12066121

>>12066084
I'm saying why do you reply to a question that's clearly motivated by that very witticism?
Did you just reply to yourself?

>> No.12066125

I'll be taking a Real Analysis class in the future sometime. The class uses Understanding Analysis (Abbott) as a text but I read online that Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis is the best text.

I have some time before I'll take the class and I want to start studying so I was wondering which book I should use if I end up taking the class some time in the next year.

>> No.12066133

>>12066121
if you recognise the joke then why are you surprised someone else did?

>> No.12066136

>>12066125
if this is your first time doing analysis or anything beyond high school maths? if so, read the first few chapters of abbott before starting with rudin. or just ignore rudin for now.
>>12066121
why are you being a faggot?

>> No.12066152

>>12066136
I took courses in Linear Algebra and Multi-variable Calculus in high school. Both classes had the professor do a lot of proofs and we did some proofs for homework and on exams.
I have never taken an analysis course before.
P.S There's an easy class and a hard class in my college. The easier one goes through Abbott and the hard one does Rudin. I can't really risk taking a hit to my GPA so I'm taking the easier on with the intention of filling in the gaps.

>> No.12066157

>>12066152
My apologies, I took the Linalg and Multi classes as a college freshman.

>> No.12066190

>>12066152
>>12066157
personally, i would read the first two or three chapters of abbott so that you have a taste for it, and then try reading rudin. you'll then have a better idea of the approaches these books take.

>> No.12066197

>>12066190
Thanks, much appreciated. I'm almost done with the first chapter of Abbott and I like it so far. I'll be doing the exercises soon.

>> No.12066306

>>12066152
>I took courses in Linear Algebra and Multi-variable Calculus in high school. Both classes had the professor do a lot of proofs and we did some proofs for homework and on exams.
Private school?

>> No.12066313

Apart from Dini and Arzela-ascoli, are there any other tools to prove that a converging sequence of functions is also converging uniformly?

>> No.12066327

>>12064914
What is chirality?

>> No.12066353

>>12066152
Where in the world are high school teachers still called professor?

Used to be like that over here as well, but that ended about 70 years back.

>> No.12066842

>>12066327
Handedness

Some molecules are not reversible left/right. They become a different substance if you flip them around

>> No.12066877

>>12065933
absolutely terrible subjects to start with if you really only posses highschool background. try calculus and linear algebra. 3blue1brown has videos on these. ive never seen them but hes excellent. there are many great texts on these to really make sure you establish a foundation. then you can move onto abstract algebra, analysis, set theory, etc

>> No.12066897

>>12066877
Abstract algebra is more useful for developing mathematical skills than the naïve calculus taught in highschool that is almost entirely computation and application based. In fact, I think CollegeBoard should offer an AP Algebra course.

>> No.12066939

>>12066842
Not only for molecules, anything with some property related to mirror asymmetry. A helix for example.

>> No.12067252

Test

>> No.12067349

>>12067252
Based.

>> No.12067496

>>12065828
i would say make sure you have a strong foundation of the fundamental areas of math before you go build up

>> No.12067578

>>12066042
Did you want someone to post that huge list of methods?

>> No.12067615

How do I correctly use formulas and mathematical expressions in a sentence, grammatically speaking?

>> No.12067661

>>12067615
Just do what math articles or wikipedia does. Avoid having loose formulas that form a sentence on its own, just write around it. You should also avoid starting a sentence with a mathematical concept or a formula (in some cases you can avoid this by inserting the word 'let' at the start, e.g. "Let [math]X[/math] be a topological space.") And remember that you must use proper punctuation even if you end a sentence with a formula. Good luck with your article.

>> No.12067721

We chew on the sticks and Kola
And sit in the shady sun-grove
In semicircle around the network
Mesmerized by its gleam

We laugh heartily as we plot
Pass living jokes,
all carrying true fear and fortitude

And within our midst, a being begins to grow
Like wisp from my mouth and your eye,
From his fingers and her arms,
We begin to see the actors who will sweep through the streets
.
.
.
.
.
Shrouded in white robes
With earth-red perimetries
The Jihadis travel over the land
Carrying just their two fingers

From living room coffee
Until dusty desert roads
Old faced and hearth-voiced,
To each traveler they pass their hand

Two fingers on the left, held in a gentle peace
Not fully upright, tired under the world's weight
They make:
Desist, comrade
Be your spirit
The time of motion becomes

>> No.12068255

>>12065933
>baby logic
>baby set theory
Sure
>baby category theory
WHAT
>baby maths
Math, but yes

>> No.12068262

>>12064935
Why should I study elliptic curves?

>> No.12068303

if I have elements a_1, a_2, ..., a_n in the sets A_1, A_2, ..., A_n respectively such that their sum a_1+...+a_n is in the intersection of A_1, A_2,...,A_n, does that imply a_1, a_2,..., a_n are all in the intersection? I'm dealing with a problem similar to this statement and it is giving me a shitload of trouble.

>> No.12068316

>>12068262
Cryptography

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>>12068262

>> No.12068401

>>12068303
Am I misreading you or is a_1=1, a_2=2 and A_1={1,3} and A_2={2,3} a counterexample?

>> No.12068442

>>12065041
Read or skim a book on proofs like "How to Prove".

>> No.12068555

>>12068401
fuck you're absolutely correct. Nevermind then.

>> No.12068577

>>12068555
Cheers, lad.

>> No.12068742

Is every finite algebra also necessarily a [math]\sigma[/math]-algebra? I'm having a hard time coming up with a counterexample.

>> No.12068795

>>12068742
obviously, why the fuck would you think otherwise?

>> No.12068834

>>12067578
Not him but I want to see it.

>> No.12068881

>>12065372
How?

>> No.12068953

>>12066042
>>12068834
www.gksoft.com/a/fun/catch-lion.html

Here it is then

>> No.12069050

>>12068953
This is hilarious.

>> No.12069134

Putnam delayed.
https://www.maa.org/math-competitions/putnam-competition

>> No.12069386

>>12067661
thx

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functions with multiple poles

>> No.12069443

>>12068742

>>12068795
kek you've got that backwards, idiot.

>> No.12069463

>>12066306
>>12066353
no that was my mistake i took those courses as a college freshman

>> No.12069535

>>12066353
In France we use the term «professeur» for anything from kindergarten or grade school teacher (professeur des écoles) to high school teacher to university professor, although the phrase «Professeur X» is reserved for actual professors (usually medical profs)

>> No.12069792

Is college retarded? I want to be free thinking but college just seems like digesting books. Where does a polymath go to learn?

>> No.12069889

any advice for an anon going back to do a masters?

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>Therefore,
>Clearly,
>It follows that
>We can obviously conclude that
>From here, we can see that
>We observe that

>> No.12070049

>>12069792
>Where does a polymath go to learn?
You ever hear of a library?

>> No.12070070

>>12069792
There hasn't been a true polymath since Leibniz. The floor of entry is too high for most fields for there to be another one.

>> No.12070139

>>12069889
Applied or pure?

>> No.12070141
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Hi /mg/.

https://www-app.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/MAT/sfb-higher-invariants/index.php/Workshop_simvol2020
>Virtual workshop: Simplicial Volumes and Bounded Cohomology
>This workshop will take place during the week September 21--25, 2020 in a virtual format. We will try to create an atmosphere similar to usual workshops by providing ample opportunities for interaction outside of the talks. All the virtual rooms, chats, etc. are supported by Universität Regensburg (Fakultät für Mathematik)
>The aim of this virtual workshop is to bring together researchers and students interested in simplicial volumes, bounded cohomology and their applications.

>> No.12070173

>>12069014
Are you using a book? Do the proofs there
I'm assuming you're a freshman or something

>> No.12070203

>>12070049
There's no community or guidance there.

>>12070070
I don't actually believe this is true, both because there have been obvious real-life polymaths, and for philosophical reasons: IQ isn't as relevant as a certain style of thinking. Everyone's so hyperspecialized these days, and university encourages that way of thinking, it's unnatural to me. I want to study math because it's my favorite subject and is a useful skill to train, but I want to do it in a liberated way. Playing with functions and being given interesting exercises from disparate genres that somehow inform eachother, rather than rote proof churning without a gut of intuition. I read my textbook and spend days thinking about good intuitions for new topics, intuitions which the author should spend pages fleshing out but instead completely ignores. And there's so much missing still, it would be easier if I were in a community where I could collaborate from that perspective. Is college worth it, or will it just be disappointing? The Silicon Valley CS-Monkeys at least embrace creativity in their hyperutilitarianism.

>> No.12070325

>>12070141
Morning, lad.

>> No.12070424

>>12069535
Oh, so that was probably the French influence over here.
Oddly enough ended after WW2.

>> No.12070458

>>12070139
pure

>> No.12070831

https://twitter.com/latestinspace/status/1300402073343848451
doesn't work everytime

>> No.12070849

>>12064935
slowchad

>> No.12070853

Why didn't you algebrachads tell me about this kino?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory

>> No.12070904

>>12065760
evaluate you fucking dong

>> No.12070906

>>12053264
I studyied up to a master's degree for math
it had a bit of comp sci (mostly with python)
>Unless your school has a well structured major (i.e. you have to take some basic comp sci and your math classes are actually still rigorous), I recommend you either double major or just do a proper math major.
I'm going to look into it..

>> No.12070918

>>12070070
this is a pernicious lie put about by worthless "specialists" who do not want it to be possible for their "expertise" to be challenged

>> No.12070928

>>12070853
'cause they are not a relevant structure, the point of having a 0 in a field is to have something you cannot divide by.

>> No.12070943

>applied math
>not math or science
What did he mean by this?

>> No.12070944

>>12070070

I mean tadashi tokieda knows a thing or two in physics and math, but also philology and painting.

>> No.12070953

>>12070070
Poincare was a polymath. Laplace was a polymath. Hamilton was a polymath.

>> No.12071111

>>12070928
I don't think that your characterization of zero is really meaningful, but as far as I know this theory of wheels has no particular results or connections to the rest of math which are of any interest, which is why no one talks about it. There's more than one way to define 1-2, as well, but there's only one popular way. The integers are so often used because they have interesting properties, not just because it's possible to define them.

>> No.12071121

>>12071111
checked.

you know that's not why he's interested in being able to divide by zero right?

>> No.12071135

>>12071111
Checked.

>> No.12071171

right angled triangle with integer side lengths a,b,c
prove a is not 1 or 2
ext. prove a can be any integer larger than 2

>> No.12071186

>>12071171
Think about the equation
a^2 + 1 = c^2
when are two squares only 1 apart?
what about 4?

>> No.12071191

>>12070953
I know that Poincare wrote philosophy, but you seem to read "polymath" as someone who is good in many field of math. For one, a polymath should be sufficiently proficient in some sort of art, for example.

>> No.12071215

>>12071121
I assume he's interested because it was a popular meme in the noughties. It just happens to be both easy and uninteresting to spew out systems in which some kind of division by zero is possible.

>> No.12071250

>>12071186
0,1
0,4
why aren't these valid?
how do you know there are no others?

>> No.12071301

>>12071191
Classic polymath: Math, philosophy, and physics. The three purest fields of knowledge.

>> No.12071318

>>12071191
>>12071301
How do you become 'proficient' in philosophy?

>> No.12071322

>>12071318
The same way you become proficient in any other field. I'm not sure I understand your question.

>> No.12071429

>>12071250
a triangle can't have one side with length 0...
look at the gaps between squares bro. literally list out the first ten squares then the distances between consecutive ones.

>> No.12071446

>>12071429
hint: a demonstration of the increasing gaps(unproven itt so far) can make the extension quite simple

>> No.12071462

>>12071186
You can rewrite to get that
[math]1 = c^2-a^2 = (c-a)(c+a).[/math] Since we are working over the integers, both [math]c-a[/math] and [math]c+a[/math[ are integers and must equal 1. Then you can solve. You can do a similar thing for 4, but there will be 3 cases.

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Related to the topic in the thread recently, I came across this PhD thesis from this year, on analysis in univalent type theory

https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~abb538/thesis-first_submission.pdf

Old slides: https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~abb538/slides/2018-02-darmstadt.pdf
Recent paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1805.06781.pdf

>> No.12071543

What do math fags think of mechanical engineers?

>> No.12071550

>>12071543
They're ok

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12071559

with the objective of understanding Stokes theorem i've spent the last few months working through Calculus I-III using Paul's Online Notes as a syllabus. however the rabbit hole seems to have got a lot wider. are there any comparable online resources which deal with Complex Analysis? i have a hankering to move towards the Cauchy and Residue Theorems next

>> No.12071562

>>12071543
inventy types can be pretty cool
when they provide solutions without pretentiousness, then return to the shed to work on the next project

>> No.12071571

>>12070943
I think deep down, you know.

>> No.12071669

>>12071559
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcOPzqeuB8GTt1zfh6JKbSA/playlists

>> No.12071862

>>12067615
Don't mix "For all" with '[math]\exists[/math]'

>> No.12072552

>Actually infinitesimals are perfectly rigorous through the theory of differential forms
You must be a complete and utter retard to actually believe this, but I have heard it multiple times. Why is that? Nonstandard analysis has existed for a long time now.

>> No.12072568

>>12072552
Works for physicists.

>> No.12072580

>>12072568
yes and that's why they say pretty dumb shit

>> No.12072581

What are you dude's plans after school (for those of you in undergrad)?

>> No.12072587

>>12072581
PhD, kinda scared but seems pretty comfy actually.

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>>12064914
You cannot solve this faggots

>> No.12072593

>>12072581
I'm still undecided on whether going for an MS in CS or Physics.

>> No.12072599

>>12072591
uno

>> No.12072651

>>12072581
Master's

>> No.12072656

>>12072591
[math]9 - \frac{3}{\frac{1}{3}}+1 = 9 - (3)(3) + 1 = 9 - 9 + 1 = 0 + 1 = 1[/math]

>> No.12072660

>>12071318
Be a genius like Poincare.
>>12071191
You don’t need to be talented as an artist to be a polymath, that is not and never was the definition. While it is sufficient to be a talented artist and scientist or mathematician and artist like Leonardo it is not necessary.

>> No.12073208

>>12069792
>>>/youtube/

>> No.12073225

>>12064944
D is the only one which doesn’t appear in the image

>> No.12073279

>>12069792
A college/uni degree is the entry ticket to many types of careers.
That's the primary reason to go to college, and it's far from retarded.
You won't find "free thinking" there, though. In STEM there isn't a whole lot to philosophize about, and in the humanities you simply keep repeating the same shit over and over that other people before you have said. If you say otherwise, they will outright murder you. Literally.
The most you'll do is attempt to make new observations fit the forefathers' convictions.
To become a "polymath" the Internet should do, if you know what you want to learn, but that won't convince HR people to hire you.

>> No.12073283

>>12073279
>>12073225
>>12073208
stop replying to brainlets and bait you fucking nigger summerfags

>> No.12073936

Why is so hard to find internship?

>> No.12074204

>>12073936
COVID

>> No.12074244

>>12074204
covid is a hoax. but a convenient scapegoat for the fact that the world owes central banks interest on hundreds of trillions of dollars (that (((they))) printed out of thin air) and there's no prospect of generating that kind of productivity. anyway, that's why there's no internships. because there is no future

>> No.12074324

Why do we care about supremums and infimums?

>> No.12074330

Could not figure out the equation of a plane given 3 points.
Am now going to fail.

>> No.12074343

Any scottish mathbro here? Or, just in general, I'm graduating this year with a Bachelor in Math, and was debating whether to go for a postgraduate degree, or jump into the job market. Any tips? Is leaving with only a bachelor not a good idea?

>> No.12074351

>>12074330
Make two vectors from the given points, cross them, and just plug them into the standard equation for a plane: [math]\overrightarrow{n} \ \cdot \ (\overrightarrow{r} - \overrightarrow{r_0})[/math].

>> No.12074361

>>12074343
Depends on multiple factors: Pure or applied, how much coding experience you have, what the current job market is like, and so on. In general, the increased pay that comes from a master's is definitely worth it, but some of my friends went straight from a math BS to a job in data science and are doing quite well.

>> No.12074371

>>12064914
Seeing mathematicians on Twitter supporting 2+2=5. Is this some kind of prank? What is this meme in aid of. Some are even posting proofs that 2+2=5 that divide by zero. Can anyone explain what's going on and why this is being taken seriously?

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>>12074371

>> No.12074452

>>12074371
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_+_2_=_5

>> No.12074468

>>12074452
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_+_2_=_5
Yes, I understand that reference. What I'm referring to is the unironic support that 2+2=5 is getting on Twitter.

>> No.12074475

>>12074468
The real question is why are you on or caring about twitter in the first place.

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12074479

There were 2 /mg and I ended up posting in the other. I put up 3 pages starting here >>12072862
Riemann stuff.
There were updates and improvements to this method.
This is page 4. I didn't really want to flood the threads with all 12 pages unless someone was interested. If someone does want the rest, just let me know.

>> No.12074494

>>12074479
>If someone does want the rest, just let me know.
Sure.

>> No.12074497 [DELETED] 

>>12074494
well that was easy, ok then, here's 5.

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>>12074494
well that was easy, ok then, here's 5.

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6

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7

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8

>> No.12074519

>>12074475
Because it's being taught in school now, and I've seen purported mathematicians giving the idea support on Twitter.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/math/a33547137/why-some-people-think-2-plus-2-equals-5/

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9

>> No.12074527

>>12068262
They're just beautiful

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10

>> No.12074541

>>12074371
they are signalling to (((those))) in power that they are willing to endorse literally anything that they are told. communist faggots
>In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.

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11

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>>12074557
page12

as i keep proofing, I find small improvements. On the last page 11 for example, I just noticed it says " the quadratic in 51 is equivalent to the one in 43..." more accurately what was meant, it should read "has equivalent roots to..." one is a scale of the other, but technically the coefficients are different. doesn't affect anything though, still more accurate wording.

>> No.12074614

>>12071534
>: instead of \in
Completely haram.

>> No.12074629

>>12074614
I've never even seen that used before. Is that commonly accepted notation?

>> No.12074635

>>12074629
It's not the same. The symbol : is used in type theory black magic.

>> No.12074649

>>12074519
are they teaching the little niglets and spiclings modular arithmetic as well?

>> No.12074664

>>12074649
Yes.

>> No.12074679

>>12065010
>>12064980

Gauss-Bonnet theorem is kino

>> No.12074698

>>12074679
>Gauss-Bonnet
>Not Riemann–Roch

>> No.12074726

>>12074698
>Riemann-Roch
>Not Atiyah-Singer

>> No.12074765

>>12074726
>not tchitcherine-tripping

>> No.12074777

>>12074765
>not Unvollständigkeitssatz

That thing is an eternal reminder to not get too full of yourself.

>> No.12074847

When we prove something by contradiction, we conclude then that our assumption was false, implying that whatever we were assuming is negated.

Is this the law of excluded middle?

Also, has anyone tried creating systems of logic that allow for more than 2 states? I.e. an assumption can be false but it's negation false too. I know this might not be very useful but just wondering if people have tried experimenting with that...

>> No.12074852

>>12074664
They should make them learn Euclid while they're at it.

>> No.12074864

>>12074777
>formal axioms
they are a useful spook, as is constructionism

>> No.12075056

How common are stochastic calculus PhD's?

>> No.12075166

What numbers explain the universe the most?
Is it 2, 3, 4 or 7?

>> No.12075188
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12075188

Calc 1

I have no Idea how to do this problem

Some guys in /wsr told me I need to show that the functions on the right are the derivatives of the ones on the left..

And another said Prove the equations in the chart with the (f(x + h) - f(x)) / h limit.

I have no idea how to do that

>> No.12075207

>>12075166
42

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>>12075166
[math]0[/math] and [math] \infty [/math]

>> No.12075247

>>12075188
Just look at the numerator of difference quotient in the def of the derivative for f(x)=x^2. You’ll have:

(x+h)^2-x^2=2xh+h^2 ——> divide out an h to get h(2x+h)/h, including the denom now, and then cancel the h’s and let h——> by evaluating the limit. You end up with 2x. Do this for each part of the composite functions you’re given and remember to cancel like terms, properly FOIL, and there’s always an h to factor out. You can do the rest yourself.

>> No.12075251

>>12075241
>[math]\infty[/math]
>Number

>> No.12075253

>>12075241
Nice apu

>> No.12075257

>>12075188
Go to /sqt/
>I have no idea how to do that
You know the definition of a derivative at a point right? You mentioned it
Just do the quotient. Like for f(x) = x2 you know that f(x+h) = (x+h)2 right?

>> No.12075266

>>12075188
for the sqrt function you need to multiply by the conjugate of the numerator just a head's up or you'll have a lot of trouble cancelling everything. Also >>>/sqt/

>> No.12075610

>>12074324
cuz max and min doesn't always exist

>> No.12075644 [DELETED] 

Anyone here able to endorse me for a proof in dynamical systems on arxiv?

>> No.12075716

Characteristic functions for a set in discrete math map Reals to {0,1}. How do I find the pre-image and image of a defined set?

>> No.12075792

>>12075716
What have you tried

>> No.12076063
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12076063

What does /mg/ think of selling out to the military industrial complex?
I'm doing an honours project in isogeny based cryptography (yes I'm an elliptic curve chad). My cunt's equivalent of the NSA is involved in a partnership with my university and my supervisor has suggested working with them.

Pros:
>Involvement with people with actual experience in cryptography (my supervisor is a number theorist)
>funding (probably)
>industry experience and connections
Cons:
>working for the man
>need to get a background check

I think I will do it because I think that despite the organisation being involved in some bad things my research isn't harmful (and indeed is beneficial). I would like /mg/ opinion though. Would you do it?

>> No.12076065

by using a vertex set cardinality > reals, is it possible a resulting graph can not be embedded in real/euclidean space?

>> No.12076067

>>12075716
think about what a characteristic function does

>> No.12076071

>>12076063
sounds fun
which cunt are you gonna spook for?

>> No.12076076

>>12076065
Yeah, an embedding would be an injective map to something of smaller cardinality.

>>12076071
Australia, these guys in particular: https://www.asd.gov.au/

>> No.12076079

>>12076065
Yes. It already fails if the vertex set is uncountable. The vertices form a discrete set and euclidean space doesn't have uncountable discrete subspaces because R^n has a countable topological basis

>> No.12076087

>>12064914
why do i suck at it?

>> No.12076090

>>12076087
What have you tried?

>> No.12076092

>>12076090
highschool as a whole and the first semester of computer engineering, flunked it, never touching math or physics again
all my friends are geniuses at it though, i dont even compare

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Help pls
There are two structures for the language above the alphabet (signature) with one binary relational symbol R (assume that = is always in the language and is always interpreted as an equality relation between the model elements):
1. M1 = (N, ≡2).

2. M2 = (Z, ≡2).
In M1 R is interpreted as modulo 2 congruence (returning the same remainder when divided by 2) of natural numbers, in M2 R it is interpreted as modulo 2 congruence (returning the same remainder when divided by 2) integers. Prove that M1 and M2 are isomorphic.

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>>12076491
Oh! Greetings, my fellow model theory sufferer! I was just on my way over to vent about this exact sort of shit myself!
*ahem*
HELP PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME THE POINT OF THIS ABSTRACT MODEL THEORY BULLSHIT I DON'T FUCKING GET IT WHY DID I TAKE THIS FUCKING COURSE I HAVE CRUSHED ALL RIGOROUS MATHS UNTIL THIS POINT THE LECTURER IS SO FUCKING BAD PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

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>>12076491 (you)
Dunno if it is correct but I tried function f(x)=2(x/|x|)+x^2+2. Please tell me I'm not wrong
>>12076511

>> No.12076592

>>12076491
What is there even to prove?
Are you supposed to give an isomorphism?
In that case use the trivial one between [math]\mathbb{N}[/math] and [math]\mathbb{Z}[/math] you learned about when you were taught they were the same kind of infinity.
Due to R you need to watch out for parity, though. Also, isn't R unary?

>> No.12076596

>>12075247
Just look at the numerator of difference quotient in the def of the derivative for f(x)=x^2.

None of that made any sense to me, I can't even begin to understand what you are talking about. I'm completely lost.

x+h)^2-x^2=2xh+h^2
Where does this come from

h——>
What does that mean

composite functions
What is that the functions in the left column?

>> No.12076599

>>12075257
You know the definition of a derivative at a point right?
No

Just do the quotient
What quotient, I dont see the division

f(x+h) = (x+h)2
No I don't know that,

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12076609

Good afternoon, /mg/! Doing exercises in Atiyah&Macdonald. How is your maths going?

>> No.12076620

Do I need to to baby rudin before papa rudin, or can I skip straight to papa rudin after some experience with proofs and calculus

>> No.12076663

>>12076620
The books really don't have the same contents. You should know that Rudin himself recommends the first 7 chapters of the baby book as prereq for the adult one.

>> No.12076676

>>12076663
ok thanks, how long would those 7 chapters take after some noob intro to proofs stuff?

>> No.12076702

>>12076676
About 1 college semester but depends on how much you study and how many problems you solve. If you want a suggested problem set with solutions available on the internet, look for the real analysis course on MIT OCW. The course itself is based on Baby Rudin.

>> No.12076719

>>12076702
thanks anon

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12076723

>>12064935
>Conic sections

>> No.12076756

>>12075166
24

>> No.12076836

>>12075166
0 and 1.
0 alone already explains everything, though.

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>>12076836
>0 alone already explains everything, though
It explains nothing.

>> No.12076871

>>12076864
It explains everything that is balanced, static, in equilibrium. Which is not everything, but surely more than nothing.

>> No.12076895

>>12076864
You start with 0. Then you look at {0}, then at {0,{0}}, then at {0,{0},{0,{0}}} and so on...
You get the entirety of [math]\mathbb{N}[/math] using this approach, which has a bijection to/from both [math]\mathbb{Z}[/math] and [math]\mathbb{Q}[/math].
[math]\mathbb{R}[/math] is something artificially created by humans that does not exist in reality.
0 alone literally explains everything that actually is.

>> No.12076944

>>12076895
That's set theory in a nutshell.
Reals are sets infinite in both direction.

>> No.12076963

>>12076944
>Reals are sets infinite in both direction.
That's not the decisive difference. Both the integers and the rationals are "infinite in both directions" as well.
The rationals are even infinite amid themselves. This is all still countable infinity, though.

What makes the Reals "unreal" is that you can't order them such that you are guaranteed to find whatever element you are looking for at some point "down the line".

>> No.12076966

>>12076895
>>12076871
Dumb autists didn't get the double entendre.

>> No.12077813

>>12064914
Ok, analysis chads, how can I do this integral?
[math]\int^\infty_0x^{-\frac32}e^{-nx-a/x}dx=\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a}}e^{-2\sqrt{na}}[/math]

I thought of substituting [math]u=\sqrt{nx}-\sqrt{a/x}[/math] but this didn't quite work out. I tried a contour integral, but I can't find a convenient contour to make anything nontrivial happen. You guys see anything that works here?

>> No.12077852

>>12077813
Very tired so can't answer right now, but I'll just comment that this is a special case of Lerch's integral for the zeta function.
There's a contour trick you can use but I can't remember it right now. I'm sure someone else more alert can point out a simpler substitution to convert it to a Gaussian, and you could just come up with something to get it into this form:
[math]\int^\infty_{-\infty}e^{-\lambda x^2}\cos2\lambda\alpha xdx=\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{\lambda}}e^{-\lambda\alpha^2}[/math] where [math]\alpha>0[/math] obviously (and in your post you should also have [math]\Re(a)\geqslant 0[/math] for convergence but this is pretty clear to me)

>> No.12077860

>>12077852
>Lerch's integral for the zeta function.
sorry, I mean it's the Lerch transcendent, not the zeta function itself; there's a factor of a gamma function difference
whatever, no more maths for me until I sleep

>> No.12077883

>>12077860
fuck, second correction: factor of gamma function difference between the integral and the Lerch transcendent, and the Lerch transcendent isn't technically the same thing as the Lerch zeta function because they prefer the cooler name if you use a certain absolutely trivial change of variable
whatever, just look that up if you want a hint on the contour, and I should've just ignored all that shit and said just use a fucking substitution or something

>> No.12077889

>>12077852
and lambda should be positive for convergence
fuck my life
I'm supposed to hand in a PhD thesis and if they saw the absolute state of my posts here they'd think twice right now

>> No.12077959

>>12077813
not sure if it helps or makes it worse, but you can get rid of function in front by using u=-2x^(-1/2), then du equals that x^-3/2 dx out front.

That turns it into e^((-16n-au^4)/(4u^2)) du.
Maybe you could do a further substitution from there. I wasn't seeing where to go from there though.

>> No.12077965

>>12077889
What's your thesis on?

>> No.12077994

>>12077959
you can split that e into a product too at that point, so int by parts may also be an option at that point.

>> No.12078091

>>12077965
Octuple integrals and their applications to the homotopy theory of quantum knots.

>> No.12078095

>>12072591
>>12072599
>>12072656
It's 7 you fucking retards

>> No.12078114

>>12077965
Posting that would just be a self dox

>> No.12078198

>>12078114
Don't pretend to be me. I'm proud of my work.
>>12078091

>> No.12078205

>>12078091
>octuple integrals
hello based department

>> No.12078228

>>12077965
Probably one of the elliptic curves lads

>> No.12078567

>>12078091
i am a retarded undergrad, passing through to pay my respects to a higher-dimensional gigachadbrain.

>> No.12078571

>>12078567
>octuple integrals
Anon he's meming

>> No.12078582

>>12078571
>doesn't know that octuple octonionic integrals of symplectic sheaves on abelian infinity categories are poised to bring about the next technological revolution

>> No.12078598

>>12078582
Somewhat related, I saw notation somewhere where they had integrated over a category (over its objects?). Do you know what this notation means and is it something more exciting than the usual measure theoretic integration?

>> No.12078626

>>12078571
[math]\idotsint_\Xi [/math] >implying [math] \,d\xi_1 \dots d\xi_8[/math]

>> No.12078630

>>12078598
I've never worked with these, but it sounds like you want the end of category theory haha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_(category_theory)

>> No.12078642

>>12078598
Or it's also possible the category in question was actually itself a measure space.

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>>12078630
Thanks! Pretty sure this is what I was talking about.

I do indeed want the end of category theory though...

>> No.12078661

>>12078649
I fear that in the future math will just be crazy old cat ladies who never knew the joy of sets.

>> No.12078701

>>12076895
>implying R cannot be constructed from 0

>> No.12078759

>>12078571
i am entirely too knowledgeable to tell which if any of you are joking and to what degree.
t. retarded undergrad

>> No.12078764

>>12078567
*not knowledgeable is what i meant. i rest my case.

>> No.12078821

Parabolas are literally just line lines... woah

>>12076895
>0 explains everything
>neglects the fact that brackets, commas, and their ordering are also required to explain Z and Q

>> No.12078858

Where can I read papers on combinatorial galois knot theory?

>> No.12078862

>>12078759
Come on Anon! It's hard enough to integrate something three times (triple integral), let alone eight. No one has ever solved octuple integrals except in very special easy cases.

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>>12064914
Is there something like pic related but for maths?

>> No.12079150

>>12078862
Bruh I'm starting Calc II. I have never even double integrated.

>> No.12079154

>>12079077
This is awesome. Thanks for sharing!

>> No.12079170

>>12079077
Yeah, about a billion
Look at the ones in /sqt/ for example

>> No.12079174

If I have a set A as a subset (0,1] where A is defined to be the set made up by picking one element from every equivalence class [math][x]_~[/math] where x~y iff x-y is rational, can I define a measure that is finitely additive, translation invariant, and has measure equal to the length of an interval? I'm thinking no because the proof in Folland is for a countably additive measure and I don't see why going to finitely additive measure would make anything better. Any help?

>> No.12079331

Four weeks into complex analysis and already liking it a lot more than real analysis.

>> No.12079346

>>12079331
How are you studying it?

>> No.12079390

>>12079346
It's a class I'm taking right now at university.

>> No.12079408

>>12079174
did gpt-3 write this after someone fed it a measure theory book

>> No.12079483

>>12075792
>>12076067
I am retarded. After spending some time with this idea, it's pretty simple. Although practically, where is this used? What other areas of math of has this idea been useful for proving some interesting results?

>> No.12079606

>>12079483
Characteristic functions are pretty central in the definition of Lebesgue integration.
They come up a lot in topology, they are easy functions to describe so sometimes they make good examples/counterexamples.

>> No.12079616

what's it feel like to do some mathematics? i'm a comp sci autist whose parents made him anxious about his future so i have a hard time giving myself the time to pursue a project that has no immediate (save personal) reward, as opposed to a coding project which i can display and get laughed at for.

I have read through some math books while traveling and whatnot and enjoyed the style of thought and the problem solving, but i've yet to go beyond thinking about maths beyond the textbook problems.

could someone explain what your typical work session in maths is like? when coding i just mash the keyboard for a few hours and barely remember what happened during the work flow. I just remember why the code was written the way it was

>> No.12079617

>>12079616
no books beyond analysis and discrete math though. i don't think i've done any "real" maths (if you wanna be gatekeepy) beyond that required for deep learning and machine learning

>> No.12079767

Which branch of math with help me pull the hottest babes? Is their a math fields power ranking for this?

>> No.12079814

>>12074371
scholars are bootlickers to politicians

>> No.12079821

>>12074847
>Also, has anyone tried creating systems of logic that allow for more than 2 states? I.e. an assumption can be false but it's negation false too. I know this might not be very useful but just wondering if people have tried experimenting with that...
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.7744.pdf

The ‘catuskoti’ or tetralemma in Buddhist logic is a problematic
subject from the modern logical point of view. Recently a many-valued
paraconsistent logic was proposed in order to formalize catuskoti ad-
equately by G. Priest.
On the other hand a slight modification of
the formalization of catuskoti seems to allow an appropriate inter-
pretation in the framework of the classical propositional calculus in
the mathematical logic developed by Russell-Whitehead and Hilbert-
Ackermann.
Key Words and Phrases. catuskoti, tetralemma, Buddhist logic,
propositional calculus
2010 Mathematical Subject Classification. 03B05, 03B42, 03B80

>> No.12079894

>>12079767
Elliptic curves > theoretical physics > algebraic geometry (strictly without reference to categories) > power gap > analysis > power gap > pure category theory

>> No.12080014
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>I am not concerned with making difficulties for you as a Jew, but only with protecting – above all – German students of the second semester from being taught differential and integral calculus by a teacher of a race quite foreign to them. I, like everyone else, do not doubt your ability to instruct suitable students of whatever origin in the purely abstract aspects of mathematics. But I know that many academic courses, especially the differential and integral calculus, have at the same time educative value, inducting the pupil not only to a conceptual world but also to a different frame of mind. But since the latter depends very substantially on the racial composition of the individual, it follows that a German student should not be allowed to be trained by a Jewish teacher.
Was he right? What's the difference between a jew's and a german's understanding of differential and integral calculus?

>> No.12080063

>>12080014
Yes, he's probably referring to them having influence in academia overall and gradually changing the university that way. I think even Shafarevich said he found Jews were very exclusive in mathematics and got in a bit of trouble for that.

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>>12080014
It's a stretch of him to say that a technical subfield of a geometry field in math "shapes one view of the world" in any socio-historical way. Similarly, I assume ones view on the world barely affects how one learns geometry in math, assuming you really want to understand what's being taught.

In any case, it's obviously just his rhetoric to play the power game.
>I can get my undergrad Prof's canceled, look at my aryan dick
It's cringe.
And about as logical as attacking an armed man with a skateboard.

>> No.12080115

>>12079616
>i'm a comp sci autist whose parents made him anxious about his future so i have a hard time giving myself the time to pursue a project that has no immediate (save personal) reward, as opposed to a coding project which i can display and get laughed at for.
You should rather be anxious about living a meaningless life.
Take a second and think what you want out of life. And disregard expectations of your parents of girlfriend to make babies and get a house on the countryside etc - unless that's what you personally want

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>>12080115
>And disregard expectations of your parents of girlfriend to make babies and get a house on the countryside etc - unless that's what you personally want
Based and egopilled

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>>12080174
of course

>> No.12080258

>>12080228
are you a native german speaker?

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>>12080258
Yes.
You should read Stirner in the ordinal, it's hella funny.

>> No.12080601

If you're interested in writing a /mg/ textbook in elementary mathematics come to
discord.gg/6GFTnGr
Coordinating the effort would be a nightmare if done through 4chan and discord seems like the best option.

>> No.12080625

>>12080601
I feel bad for anyone who is cursed to learn arithmetic from whatever meme-filled idiosyncratic tome this endeavor yields.

>> No.12081013

>>12080453
I don't know anybody who did not doodle on his Reclam books.

>> No.12081019

>>12064980
steinitz exchange lemma is kino

>> No.12081027

>>12081019
It's so simple and easy to prove that it doesn't even deserve a name.

>> No.12081033

How to do all exercises of hartshorne (except two) if you're a brainlet?

>> No.12081063

This thread sucks

>> No.12081103

>>12081063
You suck. This thread rocks!

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>>12079077
I've got you covered my man

>> No.12081129

I don’t care that bump limit hasn’t been hit, this thread sucks
>>12081118

>> No.12081348

What is the best way to go about leaning elementary algebra? I've found Open Stax has a free textbook with many resources that are free as well. Maybe Khan Academy? Calculus by Spivak is the goal.

>> No.12081357

>>12081348
on libgen everything is free

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>>12081027
>mathematical induction is legit and simple

the state of undergrads

>> No.12081932

>>12081119
I thought this would be a based chart, but it's a total meme, god damn it.

>> No.12082520

Why are trannies obsessed with category theory?

>> No.12082862

>>12082520
A better question to ask anon might be why you are so obsessed with trannies.

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>>12078091
>>12078205