/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12051923]

Anybody went from USA - > Europe for grad school? How'd it go? Is it a good idea?

[Anonymous No.12052081]

noone?

[Anonymous No.12052087]

I think unless you're going to oxbridge or have a very specific program in mind, it's not worth it. The US has a near-monopoly on the best grad programs.

Why are you thinking of doing this?

[Anonymous No.12052089]

I don't even know if we accept american "degrees".

[Anonymous No.12052090]

>>12051923
Girls were hotter, that's it
More chinks and Indians, fewer nigs

[Anonymous No.12052092]

>>12052087
Major cope, you have one good school: the MIT.
But pretty much every technical university in Germany is on the same level.

[Anonymous No.12052105]

>>12052092
this is maybe the most delusional post I've ever read outside of a race and IQ thread.

[Anonymous No.12052106]

>>12052090
>fewer nigs
Sold

[Anonymous No.12052111]

>>12052087
I hate America, I hate my job, and I want to move to Spain.

>>12052089
I graduated from a very good engineering school with a high gpa, plus I have research experience. hopefully I'm good

[Anonymous No.12052164]

>>12052111
>wants to work in Spain in a technical field
lmao have fun

[Anonymous No.12052166]

>>12052164
What's the problem??

[Anonymous No.12052231]

>>12052111
You are literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.12052254]

>>12052231
explain

[Anonymous No.12052328]

>>12052254
>I'm an engineer
>I want to leave America and work in Spain

[Anonymous No.12052339]

>>12052328
I hate America man, I don't care that I get paid well, it's depressing as fuck and Americans are retarded. I can write a very, very long diatribe on why I hate America

[Anonymous No.12052352]

>>12052339
Tell me why. Chances are you won't escape it in the western world, including south america.

[Anonymous No.12052388]

>>12052339
Don't listen to the mutts, there are enough jobs even in spain for engineers and the quality of live is much better.

[Anonymous No.12052398]

>>12052388
are you from Spain amigo?

[Anonymous No.12052487]

>>12052388
>the quality of live is much better
It objectively isn’t unless you live in a poor state.

[Anonymous No.12052489]

>>12052087
oh look its the american who comes to shit up every thread with the keyword "europe"

[Anonymous No.12052495]

>>12052487
>bumfuck Midwest states better than Spain

Americans showing their retardation once again

[Anonymous No.12052497]

>>12052487
You're getting a bit desperate now buddy, it's time to calm down. Stop trying to convince people to not go to Europe.

>>/sci/thread/12008044#p12008765

[Anonymous No.12052507]

>>12052495
In terms of development and quality of life, they are. HDI doesn't account for weather, so you may have a point there, however.

[Anonymous No.12052521]

>>12052090
>fewer nigs
>girls are hotter

brb sending out grad school apps

[Anonymous No.12052528]

>>12052495
That goes to show how poor Southern Europe is more so than how affluent the various farming communities and meth towns of the Midwest are.

[Anonymous No.12052544]

>>12052521
Desu just avoid Barcelona. Plenty of nigs and ugly sunburnt anglo girls.

[Anonymous No.12052558]

>>12052528
Even Midwest meth towns have can produce weirdly successful people. My father's graduating class from methhead bumfuck nowhere Kansas produced a renowned weatherman, a couple of large business owners and a biomedical researcher. This was from a class of 65 people mind you, of course there were a lot of drunkards and nobodies, the large variance both scares and intrigues me to some extent.

[Anonymous No.12053524]

>>12052507
>>12052528
>hdi index important enough for someone that has an engineering degree
You are just pretending, right?

[Anonymous No.12053578]

>>12052090
> fewer nigs

Kek, you're so wrong (specially in Western and Northern Europe)
Welcome to refugees-Land my friend

[Anonymous No.12053593]

holy shit, who gives a shit, LETS TALK ABOUT QUALIFYING EXAMS

HOLY FUCK, /sci/ I AM FUCKING NERVOUS AS SHIT

[Anonymous No.12053594]

>>12053578
I went to Heidelberg and didn't see that many compared to the US

[Anonymous No.12053597]

>>12051923
FUCK OFF
We don't want any third-world amerimutts coming from the "united" states to europe

[Anonymous No.12053748]

>>12051923
graduate programes are very good here (central europe), they are all in english, atleast in stem. profs are mostly amazing, but uni is a bit under funded, the whole biochem departement only has one TEM and one SEM. also where im from university students, scientists and engineers are respected. spain is lovley, but not an academic hub.

[Anonymous No.12053860]

Whats wrong with moving to Spain or Italy to work as an engineer?

[Anonymous No.12053924]

>>12053860
>Whats wrong with moving to Spain or Italy to work as an engineer?
Shit pay, even compared to purchasing power it's still shit.
Quality of life isn't that good unless you live in certain cities that are neither too big nor too small.
Women aren't that much better looking than anywhere else in the world, they might be skinnier than anglos, but that isn't much of an accomplishment.
People aren't all cheerful and happy as portrayed, more like lazy and indolent.
Plenty of nigs in urban areas and ethniks even started pouring out.

Shit's fucked basically. If you must go to Europe I'd recommend rural or small town areas of DACH region (excellent pay, no nigs, hot women) or major cities of eastern europe within EU (good pay compared to purchasing power, hot women, no nigs or ethniks at all).

But that's just my advice, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

[Anonymous No.12053928]

Both italy and spain are actual unironical shitholes

the only semi decent euro countries to work are germany and Switzerland

[Anonymous No.12054063]

>>12053597
European Union is just United States 2.0. At least Britian yeeted out before getting in too deep.

[Anonymous No.12054120]

If you're coming to Finland stay away from Helsinki University and choose Aalto instead

[Anonymous No.12054534]

i am certain that no american can live in scandi for longer than a year without seriously considering suicide.
t. nordman that went to usa and came back

[Anonymous No.12054586]

>>12053748
Thanks for being the only person who responded without /pol/ retardation

[Anonymous No.12054590]

>>12054063
but I'm in the "united" kingdom

[Anonymous No.12054708]

>>12052105
And yet it's true, maybe it wasn't 30 years ago but today? The material is the same everywhere, the tests are standardized to the max.

The only thing the US still has is the proximity of its capital/business investment to its academia.
If you're a PhD student out of Berkeley or Cornell you can launch a startup and immediately have massive VC backing and find business angels if your idea is good, if you're from LMU or Humboldt you will struggle. Same thing in France and in the UK, only Switzerland does alright with Lausanne but still nowhere near the mad amount of VC concetration you will find on both american coasts.

The massive brain drain from Europe to the US over the last 60 years happened for a reason.

[Anonymous No.12055162]

>>12052087
Do you really believe this shit?

[Anonymous No.12055340]

>>12054708
>>12052092
>>12055162
>The material is the same everywhere, the tests are standardized to the max.
t. has no idea what grad school is

Sure you take the same classes and learn the same material. This is a single year of your program. The next five-six years you're doing the actual bulk of the PhD which is research, and if you take a look at what universities are pushing out the highest proportion of top-level research it isn't even close.
Plus, even in our shit country that hates giving money to anything that's not the military or the economy, we still have the most funding sources for research. What I've gathered from my EU colleagues is that securing funding for large projects over there is a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.12055475]

>>12055340
>Implying PhD research contributes anything these days
Its literally just hoop jumping, most of academia is. Unless you're working under the wing of a major scientist (ie the top 200-300 in the world) there is no point.

[Anonymous No.12055492]

>>12055475
>top 200-300 in the world
exactly my point, these people are still largely in America. that isn't to say all of them are.

[Anonymous No.12055832]

>>12054534
how so?
t.amerimutt

[Anonymous No.12056402]

>>12052487
>Maryland higher than Finland
What? Half of Maryland is garbage. PG county is a warzone

[Anonymous No.12056806]

>>12055475
>pursuing a phd with an advisor that ISNT the top 200-300 in the world for your field lmfao

what is even the point

[Anonymous No.12056814]

>>12051923
OP if you want to be "successful" in academia, you should stay in America. By sucess, I mean things like have a productive phd experience with a good advisor, go on to do research at top institutions for your postdoc, and obtain professor status at R1 institution. Europe has a few good scientists, but most institutions in Europe aren't going to be the best place to develop as a researcher.

If you're trying to go into industry and don't really care about pursuing academia, I'd say Europe is ideal. You get a PhD in 3 years, it's a lot easier, and you get to hang out in Europe and actually enjoy your life and be happy.

[Anonymous No.12057086]

>>12056814
Not to mention that in most places in Europe a PhD student is treated like a researcher and gets paid a salary and also has other benefits like paid vacation time, better work-life balance, free healthcare, student discounts and access to student appartments

[Anonymous No.12057477]

>>12055492
Yeah I'll concede that. But it's not bc America is good at science, it's just running off old prestige and money, attracting good scientists.

I also meant pure academia. It is reasonable to peruse a PhD in industry to bump up your wage, eg in medicinal chemistry, industrial engineering...

[Anonymous No.12057484]

>>12053593
You will do it anon, if you don't believe in yourself believe in my dubs that believe in you.

[Anonymous No.12057767]

>>12051923
pls don't hit me skinhead apu ;_;

[Anonymous No.12058138]

>>12057767
wait that's a skinhead? what's the reference this pepe is making?

[Anonymous No.12058883]

>>12055832
much less sun, the weather in general, less people, people are less social, in most parts it's much more quite, as a foreigner you will probably be alone and many other things

[Anonymous No.12058885]

>>12057086
this is also how the PhD process works in america

[Anonymous No.12060800]

What countries are good to get a CS MS? I'm from Lat America. Honestly I was thinking about the USA but all this COVID/Jogger Floyd bullshit made me wary.

[Anonymous No.12060804]

>>12060800
do
not
pay
for
graduate
education

don't go to the US for a masters. go there for a phd. paying for a masters is the biggest scam in the entire world

[Anonymous No.12060809]

>>12052087
I’m American and I hate American academia

[Anonymous No.12060864]

>>12060804
And wasting 5~6 years of your life for bullshit PhD pay is not? Common man. Also I really need to get out of my shithole country (Brazil) asap and I happen to have some money and good academic record

[Anonymous No.12061072]

>>12060864
then go to europe, not the us.
that guy is right, paying for a master is a scam

[Anonymous No.12062520]

>>12052166
There's no jobs in spain dumbass

[Anonymous No.12062542]

>>12062520
But spains economy is good. As good as japans.

[Anonymous No.12062564]

>>12060804
>>12061072
I'm >>12060864 and >>12060800.
I thought that a MS in the US was like $30k but just researched properly and it is actually like 50~60k lmao (with zero funding given the grim economic outlook for the next 3 years or so). And all this visa bullshit where if you don't find a job in X days you get deported, constantly worried that new dumb policies will be enacted , Trump probably gonna win and due to the massive economic fallout next year the immigrant scapegoating will reach unprecedented levels. Fuck that shit.
Anyway given that I really don't want a PhD, what is the best choice? Is there a thesis master in Europe where you got a somewhat waiver if you publish? What about Canada? Australia?

[Anonymous No.12062873]

So is going to Spain for a CS degree still fine for finding work in 'murica?

[Anonymous No.12062894]

>>12062564
>given that I really don't want a PhD
get into a PhD program anyway, get paid ~$30k for a year, drop out after a year, and get your free MS.
When everything's fucked, you have little choice but to either exploit the generosity of others, or be altruistic and achieve nothing/drown in debt.

[Anonymous No.12062991]

>>12058138
>bomber jacket
>country flag patch
>inbred look
>agressive body language

Just because he doesn't openly display a swastika doesn't mean it doesn't look right-wing skinhead, theu have an extremely obvious apparence even if they don't have necessarily the symbols that normies would expect from right wing guys

[Anonymous No.12064209]

>>12057086
This is exactly what I have as a PhD student in america in edition to the prestige. Seethe harder eurocuck

[Anonymous No.12064224]

>>12064209
>in edition

amerilard education at its finest

[Anonymous No.12064260]

>>12064224
I'm an international student, english isn't my first language

[Anonymous No.12064404]

>>12052544
>I believe it’s pronounced Barthelona

[Anonymous No.12064408]

>>12053593
Most programs rarely fail people during their quals. Just study hard and you’ll be fine. Probably.

[Anonymous No.12064931]

>>12053593
if i hit dubs you fail. if not, congratulations doctor >:)

[Anonymous No.12065072]

>>12052111
not trying to jump on the insult bandwagon but you definitely sound retarded

why?
>engineering
>wants to move to Spain
>presumably wants to do engineering graduate work in Spain
>living in Spain

unless you care to lay out your reasons then you are a retard. plain and simple, best of luck

[Anonymous No.12065555]

>look at degree plans for american unis
>realize they do way less in their 4 year bachelors than we do in 3 years
american undergrad is a meme save for a few unis at the top

[Anonymous No.12065558]

>>12065555
>tfw spent 5 years doing a bachelor