/sfg/ - Spaceflight general

[Anonymous No.12051005]

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[Anonymous No.12051011]

>>12051005
Double nigger

[Anonymous No.12051014]

Yesterday is tomorrow's today

[Anonymous No.12051016]

>>12051005
*ahem*
Fuck Boing,
fuck urf!

[Anonymous No.12051019]

>>12051014
Powered then by Hydrazine.

[Anonymous No.12051024]

>>12051014
Old spaceflight has a nice charm to it. No reserved sense of scale, dream-like locations, and no concern over making the technology look "realistic".

[Anonymous No.12051027]

Blue Mars when?

[Anonymous No.12051029]

>>12051024
>Old spaceflight art
Fixed

[Anonymous No.12051035]

>>12051024
Just a bunch of sleek tin cans hopping from planet to planet, imagine.
>>12051027
As soon as I've finished the first one.

[Anonymous No.12051037]

>>12051005
"Let's be very honest again," Bolden said in a 2014 interview. "We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry."

[Anonymous No.12051039]

>A full Earth is coming. Watch out for the crazies.

[Anonymous No.12051041]

>>12051037
>FALCON HEAVY DOESNT EXIST AHHHHH GO AWAY!

[Anonymous No.12051045]

>>12051037
>F̶a̶l̶c̶o̶n̶ ̶9̶ ̶H̶e̶a̶v̶y̶ Starship may someday come about

[Anonymous No.12051049]

Fuck Urf!

[Anonymous No.12051052]

>>12051005
Legacy private space companies are going to ruin the progress of space exploration

ULA won't improve because they aren't paid to improve, it's made up by lobbyst companies.

One aerospace engineer who is quite famous for his desire to go to Mars, Robert Zubrin, used to work for Lockheed Martin, he said he pitched the idea of reusable rockets some several years ago for the directors but they shut him down saying "That's cute, but if NASA wants us to improve, they will pay us to do so"

Now Jeff Bezos is already among these corrupt lobbyst fucks, so this "space race" is between Musk, a man who really wants to go to Mars and corrupt private space companies.

The implications of the actions of these greedy fucks on the future of our race makes my blood boil, we need to terminate them before they terminate us.

[Anonymous No.12051057]

>>12051024
>>12051035
Almost like they're the encapsulation of the dream of space travel, its ideal nature rather than the reality it is at the moment.

[Anonymous No.12051058]

>>12051052
Just wait until SpaceX starts upstaging those legacy companies so much that they have no choice but to innovate.

[Anonymous No.12051064]

>>12051052
I think at this point the genie is out of the bottle.

Senator Shelby could nuke SpaceX a few years from now and China or the EU would pay Elon to move over there and do the same thing. The Starship concept is so obviously profitable that it will be impossible to keep it down.

[Anonymous No.12051066]

>>12051027
Assuming torch drives get figured out within a hundred years and gene hacking of bacteria (to consume perchlorates in the Martian environment) pushes biology to it's limits in terms of speed and efficiency, maybe a thousand years? You'd use fusion power to create an artificial magnetic shield for the planet, use fusion drives to redirect scores of large Saturnine ice rocks onto collision courses with Mars, and once Mars has been loaded with water and vollatiles you can deploy perchlorate eating bacteria in mass quantities to break down the poisons in Martian soil into oxygen and other byproducs not directly harmful to human life.
At that point you simply have to wait, for some period of time Mars' new atmosphere would be a toxic soup still mostly made up of carbon dioxide and presumably perchlorates or chlorine released during the initial commet impacts. Even assuming modified perchlorate bacteria multiplied several times faster than normal and were several times more efficient than normal, it would still take hundreds of years, or maybe even thousands of years for the atmosphere to be even close to breathable, or for the water to be nontoxic enough to drink or use to grow food plants.
Maybe highly genetically altered lichens, weeds, mosses, algaes, etc could be released to hasten the process, assuming they could be made tolerant enough to perchlorate poisons to survive.

[Anonymous No.12051077]

>>12051057
It represents an era where when asked about space flight people didn't respond with "space is hard", but rather "how far can we go?". Much better than the era of space flight we were in before SpaceX came along.

[Anonymous No.12051089]

>>12051037
>We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis...
Wait, I never really thought about this before. Weren‘t the engines just lying around in a warehouse already anyway?
"getting them done" doesn‘t really seem like much of an achievement to begin with.

[Anonymous No.12051100]

>>12051077
Not only that but its the period before space became perverted (though whether that ever existed is dubious) . Best way I can sum up what I mean is to quote the fictional scientist Bernard Quatermass:
>"we're on the verge of a new dimension of human discovery; its the great chance, leave our vices behind, war being the first of them, not to go out there dragging our hatreds and frontiers with us.
Russian Cosmism evokes the feeling as well. Even though Soviet rocketry was driven by the desire to make the delivery of nuclear weapons faster and more efficient, the desire by those within the Soviet space program to create permanent space habitats and to explore our solar system is rooted with this Cosmist ideas.

[Anonymous No.12051101]

Shelby when Elon opens his propellant depot and new Starlink HQ.

https://youtu.be/pG5v7ng0o4A

[Anonymous No.12051109]

>>12051058
Seeing Oldspace planning "innovations" like partial reuse of rocket parts/modules, it's safe to say they're already panicking behind closed doors.

[Anonymous No.12051112]

>>12051064
Didn't Lockheed do concepts for a starship clone?

[Anonymous No.12051113]

>>12051064
>>12051058

I also fear for Elon's being, he is too retarded not to notice that he is the main target of:

- Major car companies
- Corrupt politicians
- The entire oil industry
- Legacy corrupt space corporations

He goes around with no security, if someone decided to accident him, he is done for.

[Anonymous No.12051116]

IRL Asparagus Staging when?
>If it works in KSP it should work IRL
Unironically yes

[Anonymous No.12051117]

>>12051113
If Elon dies, we riot.

[Anonymous No.12051123]

>>12051113
All the drugs give him superior protection

[Anonymous No.12051124]

>Roscosmos' budget cut down
Well I guess it is over

[Anonymous No.12051126]

>>12051124
They're just a contractor for China now.

[Anonymous No.12051134]

>>12051123
This, smoking a combination of weed and hypergolic propellant while also having extreme levels of autism has allowed Elon to open not only his third, but also his fourth and fifth eyes.
He would simply snap Oldspace assassins out of existence. He will "die" when he forsees that the time is right and it is necessary for him to do so, of course death isn't much of a concern to beings like Elon or the Bogdanoffs who have reached a level of consciousness which persists beyond mere mortality.

[Anonymous No.12051150]

>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/elon-musks-spacex-nasa-contracts-threatened-over-tesla-china-ties

SpaceX might be cut from NASA contracts due to Elon's Tesla factory in China.

[Anonymous No.12051168]

>>12051150
NASA literally wants to be as useless as possible.

[Anonymous No.12051172]

>>12051089
They're literally surplus Shuttle engines. Aerojet Rocketdyne is charging NASA $165 million for them. Each.

[Anonymous No.12051174]

>>12051168
This is congress negotiating.

[Anonymous No.12051177]

>>12051037
>"Let's be very honest again. We already do have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It's on the test stand right now. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down in Florida. We've built 3 center cores. We have had all the engines done, and already flown on successful 3 missions... I don't see any hardware for an SLS, except that it's just taking spare STS parts and putting them together and that becomes the SLS. It's not that easy in rocketry."

[Anonymous No.12051179]

>>12051150
>Such legislation could put SpaceX at a disadvantage given that Musk’s Tesla secured a line of credit worth approximately $1.4 billion from Chinese state-owned banks in December. Small wonder then that United Launch Alliance, one of SpaceX’s main rivals for contracts to launch federal government satellites and spacecraft, urged Gardner to introduce the bill, according to congressional sources familiar with the process.

This is it folks, ULA is activelly trying to take down SpaceX using the government.
This is bullshit on so many levels since there are so many american companies with business in China.

I knew this day would come, Legacy space corporations trying to take down SpaceX using their lobbyist powers, now I fear what will happen to our future.

[Anonymous No.12051180]

>>12051150
That’s what you get for working with the commies.

[Anonymous No.12051183]

>>12051179
>This is bullshit on so many levels since there are so many american companies with business in China.

Cut ties with China.

[Anonymous No.12051193]

>>12051183
This. All American businesses in China should be required to burn down their factories and come home.

[Anonymous No.12051195]

>>12051183
I don't think you get it, this is the bone ULA/Boeing/Lockheed Martin/Jeff Bezos/SenShelby were waiting for, they are not going to let this go without a fight, even if Tesla cut ties with China, they will still pursue with this, using the argument "What if Musk already disclosed american secret?"

This people need to be stopped in Minecraft.

[Anonymous No.12051200]

>>12051193
Set a few of the neighboring buildings on fire on the way out too, just for good measure.
FUCK China.

[Anonymous No.12051201]

>>12051024
>No reserved sense of scale
That's the best part

[Anonymous No.12051204]

>>12051150
>>12051179
This is bullshit, Tesla has practically nothing to do with SpaceX, except that I think some Tesla battery packs are being used in the rockets for power supplies. It's definitely a blatant attempt by ULA to leverage government paranoia to forcibly starve out a competitor based on unrelated business interactions. Fuck, I'm humiliated that I was rooting for ULA a couple weeks/threads back, this shit is the deep end of corrupt anticaptialist/monopolist garbage.
I would strongly encourage Elon to simply starve the Chicom market of superior American technology though, if they can't get their hands on Tesla trade secrets by fair means, they'll eventually do it by foul and just nationalize (read "steal") his gigafactory, kick the American employees out, and tear everything inside down for reverse engineering.
Elon said he loves America and is a patriot, the time is fast coming when entrepeneurs will have to put their money where their mouths are and either work with the US or work with China.

[Anonymous No.12051208]

>>12051201

[Anonymous No.12051210]

>>12051204
Its likely that ULA/Boeing maybe cut from NASA funding too, if you look at it. If they can tie SpaceX to Tesla, ULA will be tied to Boeing. Boeing makes ~$15B/y from China. If Tesla's $1.4 B loan is such a big deal, I'm sure Boeing would be willing to sacrifice that $100B market in China

[Anonymous No.12051213]

>>12051210
Maybe they're just pulling a kamikaze dive.
>If I can't have the cost plus contracts, then nobody will!

[Anonymous No.12051218]

>>12051210
BlueOrigin isn't safe either. Bezo's Amazon China Web Service business is ~$10B/y income.

[Anonymous No.12051222]

>>12051177
LMAO

[Anonymous No.12051230]

>>12051218
>>12051210
Amazing, they try to take down SpaceX and then end up digging themselves into a deeper hole and the whole thing backfiring, just like Epic and Apple recently too kek, everyone's gone nuts

[Anonymous No.12051232]

>>12051201
>>12051208
Agreed. Maybe it's due to the expectations of space flight gradually getting eroded over the years, but it's always magical to see these larger scale concepts trying to envision the future of space flight.

[Anonymous No.12051233]

>>12051218
Good. Gotta pick a side soon.

[Anonymous No.12051239]

>>12051150
Is there any evidence that this is some attempt by competitors of SpaceX to push them out of the industry? Sure, something like this would be convenient for them, but that doesn't mean that they are doing it. There has been a steadily growing mistrust of China in American industry, so this could just be a reaction among those people rather than the competitors.

[Anonymous No.12051241]

>>12051172
Didn‘t NASA own the Shuttles? How are they getting charged for using leftover engines?

[Anonymous No.12051242]

cool video

[Anonymous No.12051243]

>>12051232
Even the lunar bases and colonies are more impressive and of grander scope and scale

[Anonymous No.12051247]

>>12051242
fucken beauytiful

[Anonymous No.12051248]

>it is not that easy in rocketry

[Anonymous No.12051251]

>>12051241
NASA owns them after they've paid $165 million a piece to Aerojet Rocketdyne.

[Anonymous No.12051255]

>So, Gardner, who also chairs the Foreign Relations subcommittee for East Asia, offered two amendments addressing that risk. The first would have the Government Accountability Office review NASA contractors for potential ties to China, while the second advises NASA leaders to “take into account” those ties when awarding contracts. “The level of concern I'm hearing from companies who are in the U.S. and are concerned about this is alarming,” Gardner said.

It's not world ending, they would be "taken into account" I'm sure everyone else has some connection to china as well. So a sinking tide lowers all boats and it should be an equal playing field coming out of it.

[Anonymous No.12051258]

>>12051239
>Small wonder then that United Launch Alliance, one of SpaceX’s main rivals for contracts to launch federal government satellites and spacecraft, urged Gardner to introduce the bill, according to congressional sources familiar with the process.

Read the goddamn article, ULA pushed this subhuman GOP senator to introduce this bill.

[Anonymous No.12051259]

>>12051251
They had to pay for refurbishment I'm guessing.

[Anonymous No.12051261]

>>12051239
He's the Shelby equivalent for ULA.

[Anonymous No.12051262]

>>12051243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAl_72eVrgM

[Anonymous No.12051263]

>>12051259
No, they're engines that were not yet delivered for the shuttle program when it was shut down and thus not yet paid for.

[Anonymous No.12051276]

>>12051239
There are means, motive, and opportunity for them to do so. The means is their close, nearly illegally close friendship with the government and a rich history of preferrential treatment in their favor. The motive is profit, if SpaceX didn't exist, ULA and Co would have ended up with 100% of that contract as opposed to only 60%. By simply having a competitor at all in their eyes they've been robbed of 40% of the profit they could be earning from the space industry courtosy of NASA. The opportunity is that SpaceX is tangentially related to Tesla by being owned by Elon Musk, who used to own Tesla and is now still a majority shareholder in Tesla, Tesla which is connected to interests in China by having an extremely large and expensive manufacturing center based there.

What the fuck more do you need for a reasonable inferrence that there is mallevolent action going on here? Are you retarded or something?

[Anonymous No.12051282]

>>12051276
For some people, only a hard video/audio recording of Tony Bruno/Senators talking about taking out SpaceX with a government sniper would count as evidence, even that would be questioned.

However they're right fundamentally. There's no direct evidence, there's lot of means/motives/opportunity. Just because something has that doesn't mean they did it because of so.

[Anonymous No.12051283]

SpaceX bought a second Gulfrstream jet to streamline their engineers moving from state to state.

[Anonymous No.12051285]

>>12051263
? They're using the ones that flew on the shuttle if I'm not mistaken

[Anonymous No.12051292]

>>12051283
F900 > g550

[Anonymous No.12051295]

>>12051255
Hopefully every other contractor gets scrutinized for their Chinese contacts as well.

[Anonymous No.12051297]

>>12051283
>tfw brainlet that didn't major in STEM
>tfw will never get to ride in the SpaceX gulfstream

[Anonymous No.12051298]

>>12051283
Those residences in the background look, hmm, uncomfy.

[Anonymous No.12051300]

>>12051282
Well, luckily for Boing!, ULA, etc, I'm not a judge or prosecutor. Until a more plausible explanation is proferred I will continue to presume that the action is one of mallevolence taken on the part of corrupted congressmen and existing aerospace monopolists to eliminate a competitor.
I have reached a point where I find that my predictions about the behavior of my government are most often correct when I assume mallevolent intentions from the start.

[Anonymous No.12051312]

ULA shills are going full force on twitter over this.

https://twitter.com/Joelmentum/status/1298614676352270337?s=20

[Anonymous No.12051317]

>>12051258
Fuck Boeing fuck ula fuck old space

[Anonymous No.12051319]

>>12051312
>all the commentors are TESLAQ posters
LMAO

[Anonymous No.12051322]

>>12051312
If they act on this, Blue also is fucked.

[Anonymous No.12051323]

>>12051312
I highly doubt there's a single executive anywhere in the US defense space that is unaffiliated with any company that has Chinese investors

[Anonymous No.12051354]

>>12051312
And Amazon is 99% selling Chinese manufactured goods.
Should Blue Origin face congress?

[Anonymous No.12051366]

>>12051312
If they try to roast SpaceX over this shit, they can roast every single one of them over it in return through tenuous parent company connections to China.

[Anonymous No.12051372]

What I think would happen with this SpaceX's connections with the Chinese debacle is that SpaceX will point out how much more interconnected other space flight companies are with China, the US government will awkwardly shuffle around the issue, and quietly give SpaceX their space much like what happened when SpaceX pointed out how USAF contract committee members tend to end up working for the contractors they endorsed.

[Anonymous No.12051382]

>>12051297
Major in business and get to ride in your own Gulfstream instead of the company’s.

[Anonymous No.12051385]

>>12051366
That’s my hope. Sina Delenda Est.

[Anonymous No.12051386]

>>12051372
Its a stupid thoughtout legislation designed to bring down SpaceX publicity perception rather than anything. You're right that they wont do anything since if they do it, SLS will crash down. ULA will have to be shutdown as well. Boeing gets 20% of their money from China. They're not gonna do that. They just want to create negative press around SpaceX/Elon/Tesla.

[Anonymous No.12051387]

>>12051312
I'm so fucking sick of this shit. Ever since Trump has been elected it's gone off the fucking rails. "If you have even a single ounce of connection to another country that is not strictly close allies with the US you're a fucking SPY, GET HIM, KILL HIM, RIP HIS FUCKING JACKET OFF AND KICK HIM TO THE CURB"
Because somehow doing business with countries in which that business could strengthen our relationship is now evil.
China might be a shithole, but I'd much rather see us (especially when its concerning space) work together.

[Anonymous No.12051391]

Looks like Starliner is set to redo it's uncrewed flight test in December or January with the first crewed mission in 2021.

[Anonymous No.12051394]

>>12051387
China has always been an enemy.

[Anonymous No.12051400]

>>12051391
>inb4 it doesn't miss ISS this time, but fails to match velocities and strikes the station

[Anonymous No.12051404]

>>12051387
No, china really does steal tech from anybody they can get their hands on. The problem is ULA is acting like elon is the only aerospace CEO in america who has done business with china, when boeing gets 20% of money from china.

[Anonymous No.12051406]

>>12051394
No shit, my point is I dont fucking care, and it's not a valid criticism of a company who works with China (which is a large majority of them).

[Anonymous No.12051407]

>>12051292
>F900>G550
This nigger gets it. The big Bombardiers are pretty nice as well.

Though if we're talking twinjets, for me it's the Citation X family, and nothing else even comes close.

[Anonymous No.12051410]

>>12051387
>I'd much rather see us (especially when its concerning space) work together
Not gonna happen. China is a totalitarian hellhole.

[Anonymous No.12051411]

>>12051400
cursed timeline
are the astronaut tomboys off the ISS?

[Anonymous No.12051413]

>>12051400
>it doesn't miss ISS this time, but fails to match velocities and strikes the station

Digits confirm, can we get a big F in the chat for our nigga the ISS?

[Anonymous No.12051415]

>>12051312
This is what happens when Elon Musk becomes the image of SpaceX

[Anonymous No.12051416]

>>12051410
I mean. We do work with totalitarian hellholes

[Anonymous No.12051421]

>>12051323
>A Senate Republican aide emphasized that it's not all about Musk/SpaceX/Tesla, noting there are 'at least seven aerospace companies that have some element of Chinese investment that would raise red flags, like Tencent.'
Yeah, China's all over it, and for good reason, all the siphoned R&D must've helped them immensely.

[Anonymous No.12051422]

>>12051407
Aesthetically, no modern jet tops the King Air, but they're a major pain in the ass to work with. Citations are like super reliable and easy like sudans, and they're a nice size too. But I am also privy to the Honda jet just for uniqueness.

[Anonymous No.12051423]

>>12051406
>my point is I dont fucking care
fuck off Chang

[Anonymous No.12051424]

>>12051411
Dunno, who's even up there right now? I haven't been paying attention since Bobndoug left.
>>12051413
Gonna miss this nigga like you won't believe.

[Anonymous No.12051428]

>>12051424
It's still the one American and two Ivans until Crew-1 iirc.

[Anonymous No.12051429]

>>12051423
retard, we work with China whether you like it or not, and we will for years to come. If you think going against china is worth halting rocket development then you can fuck off to twitter and suck off boing and ULA. Some of us want to see something change for once.

[Anonymous No.12051433]

>>12051423
You dont say that shit about about Israeli companies that in essence are just as tied to their nation and done much more shady shit. Also they have our government by the balls but yeah keep bitching about China.

[Anonymous No.12051435]

>>12051433
>You dont say that shit about about Israeli companies
Yes I do. Everything between Greece and Japan needs to be nuked.

[Anonymous No.12051436]

>>12051422
>Most aesthetic twinjet
>King Air

Turboprops don't count, but if we're talking turboprop a e s t h e t i c s, nothing else even comes close to pic related (though the King Air and the Avanti are tied for 2nd). I grew up near Raytheon HQ and in the mid 90s you saw Starships flying overhead more or less daily. They sound even better than Avantis.

[Anonymous No.12051437]

>>12051422
Looks like a sexy bird

[Anonymous No.12051438]

>>12051435
Sure but you dont advocate for your government to deal with Israeli influence oh wait cause they are owned by them lol.

[Anonymous No.12051440]

>>12051428
No endangered tomboy astronauts then, the station-strike may commence on schedule.

[Anonymous No.12051441]

>>12051437
Stick ur dick in the fuel port, probably wont sting too bad unless there's prist inside.
>>12051436
I work on a private airport, so I was mostly just talking about the kinds of things I see on a daily basis. We get king airs just about everyday.

[Anonymous No.12051442]

>>12051436
Here's a clip of one:
https://youtu.be/X2tjx3cTG7c

Man, that sound takes me back...

[Anonymous No.12051446]

>>12051150
LOL but this bill won't even pass Senate, zero chance at House under Dems control, where California politicians had a huge influence.

[Anonymous No.12051457]

>>12051441
>things I see on a daily basis
>posts the HondaJet

Lol. That said, I'm in the DC area now and you see all sorts of unusual shit at FDK because of the AOPA HQ. I remember seeing a pair of pic relateds back in 2017 when they were absolute unobtanium.

[Anonymous No.12051465]

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/china/index.page

[Anonymous No.12051468]

>>12051438
>Sure but you dont advocate for your government to deal with Israeli influence
Yes, I do. They just don't listen to me.

[Anonymous No.12051477]

>>12051457
I literally see honda jets almost daily. We have a tenant that owns 2.

[Anonymous No.12051487]

>>12051415
Are you under 18?

[Anonymous No.12051514]

>>12051477
West coast?

[Anonymous No.12051526]

>>12051514
East

[Anonymous No.12051550]

>>12051526
Weird. I've never seen one in person in the DC/DelMarVa area.

[Anonymous No.12051577]

>>12051172
>surplus
They are the actual engines used on actual Shuttles, each with an actual flight history. The were only "surplus" because Shuttle was grounded. And now their flight history will abruptly end with at the bottom of the Atlantic, instead of a museum somewhere. All because they were supposedly going to re-use Shuttle parts, and in the end that's the only part they didn't have to fuck with to make it work on SLS, everything else had to be re-tooled to make it.
And it still hasn't fired engines yet, even on the test stand.
>>12051177
>It's not that easy in rocketry.
lel
>>12051298
>housing near an airport
>comfy
not with all that noise, the only comfy housing near an airport is those GA exurb housing developments with a shared runway, like where John Travolta has his house
>>12051400
>strikes the station
you mean
>strikes the docked Dragon capsule
>and then SpaceX saves the day by rushing up a rescue mission in two weeks

[Anonymous No.12051580]

>>12051577
>>surplus
>They are the actual engines used on actual Shuttles, each with an actual flight history. The were only "surplus" because Shuttle was grounded. And now their flight history will abruptly end with at the bottom of the Atlantic, instead of a museum somewhere. All because they were supposedly going to re-use Shuttle parts, and in the end that's the only part they didn't have to fuck with to make it work on SLS, everything else had to be re-tooled to make it.
I hate oldspace so much.

[Anonymous No.12051590]

>>12051577
>not with all that noise, the only comfy housing near an airport is those GA exurb housing developments with a shared runway, like where John Travolta has his house
read my post again

[Anonymous No.12051595]

[Anonymous No.12051629]

>>12051595
>haha plane go 'sssshhhhhboom'

[Anonymous No.12051631]

>>12051577
>and then SpaceX saves the day by rushing up a rescue mission in two weeks
Holly shit imagine that.

[Anonymous No.12051641]

>>12051631
>"We here at Boeing condemn the irresponsible and downright dangerous job SpaceX has done in rescuing the crew we stranded, and will be activating our Senators to punish them for it shortly"

[Anonymous No.12051662]

>>12051577
>They are the actual engines used on actual Shuttles, each with an actual flight history. The were only "surplus" because Shuttle was grounded. And now their flight history will abruptly end with at the bottom of the Atlantic, instead of a museum somewhere. All because they were supposedly going to re-use Shuttle parts, and in the end that's the only part they didn't have to fuck with to make it work on SLS, everything else had to be re-tooled to make it.
>And it still hasn't fired engines yet, even on the test stand.
Shit like this was why I lost faith in space flight.

[Anonymous No.12051668]

>>12051662
I still don't understand why they didn't switch to RS-68s.

[Anonymous No.12051670]

>>12051641
Itll be like that Scully guy
>yeah all thos people would die, but uhh... just dont even attempt to do a crash landing in the river, go for the buildings or something lol.

[Anonymous No.12051671]

>>12051668
The RS-68's ablative nozzle can't handle being right next to the SRBs, and a redesign to include regen cooling would cost just as much as the RS-25s.

[Anonymous No.12051674]

>>12051671
>The RS-68's ablative nozzle can't handle being right next to the SRBs

How is that any different from being next to the other RD-68s on the Delta IV Heavy?

[Anonymous No.12051684]

>>12051674
A Shuttle SRB puts out substantially more heat than a GEM 60, and the RS-68s aren't as close to each other in a Delta Heavy configuration compared to how close they need to be on SLS. It's hard to imagine, but NASA tried to make a cheaper disposable version of the RS-25 and it can't even be used for its intended launch vehicles.

[Anonymous No.12051688]

>>12051674
Ye olde fireball launcher would take the fucking SRBs with them in the fireball.
That's the main concern.

[Anonymous No.12051703]

>>12051684
Has an SRB ever detached from the rig during a test-fire and flown off god-knows-where? The mental image is funny to me.

[Anonymous No.12051711]

bros...Elon is FINISHED
https://reddit.com/r/space/comments/ign77l/hundreds_of_astronomers_warn_elon_musks_starlink/

[Anonymous No.12051712]

>>12051711
Hundreds of astronomers can suck my dick.

[Anonymous No.12051718]

>>12051711
Hundreds of sailors complained about the steam engine too.

[Anonymous No.12051723]

>>12051711
People are retarded if they think we aren't going to send thousands of satellites and whatnot into our orbit. As long as we continue to progress it literally cant be stopped.
>b-but muh telescopes
Start working on space telescopes, lazy bastards.

[Anonymous No.12051727]

>>12051387
Go back to /pol/ with your it's-Trump's-fault bullshit. This is old space going after SpaceX because they are eating up all the business.
Companies have always been given a hard time for working with outside governments, this is nothing new. Lots of companies do it and someone ran their mouth without thinking again.

[Anonymous No.12051736]

>>12051711
>NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! You can't keep advancing spaceflight!! We gotta stay chained to this rock. Think of all the blinky lighterinos we'd see 0.000001% less of with all those heccin sats!!!

[Anonymous No.12051738]

>>12051727
Not what I meant. I dont care about politics and I dont care about trump. But ever since trump, retarded normies have been emboldened to make wild claims of espionage for no fucking reason. I understand the old space angle of it, and i understand what's really happening, what I'm specifically talking about is the 1000s of comments from idiots on the internet that do think they have any idea wtf is going on. Because of all the trump russia shit so many people think that working with any other country besides the EU and Canada is some sort of shady business practice.

[Anonymous No.12051742]

>>12051711
Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder than when hundreds of scientists/experts/journalists/etc. make public pleas like this

[Anonymous No.12051746]

>>12051738
>wild claims of espionage for no fucking reason
I mean, I don't see why China or whoever else WOULDN'T be spying on us constantly, we do it to everyone else and they've done it for decades too. Even our allies spy on us sometimes.
Hey nice nuclear program Israel.

[Anonymous No.12051749]

>>12051746
Everybody spies on everybody.

[Anonymous No.12051750]

>>12051671
Couldn't they just put a reflective skirt between the SRBs and the engine mount?

[Anonymous No.12051751]

>>12051738
Fair point, and I apologise for misunderstanding your Trump comment.
But it has always been this way, the only difference is social media platforms are making it easier for the idiots to be heard. I agree it's stupid and I'm sick be of it too, but the idiots will always be idiots, so it's best to ignore then and move on.
I don't even go on Twitter for this very reason.

[Anonymous No.12051753]

>>12051711
What I don't understand is why they can't use software to remove them, just like they do for planes and other satellites.

[Anonymous No.12051754]

>>12051746
Well yeah, that's the part that bothers me. It's like people think its out of the ordinary. So they come up with this big elaborate conspiracy theory, and think they're making a statement, meanwhile everyone in the know understands it's just how the world has worked practically since WWI.

[Anonymous No.12051756]

>>12051738
>wild claims of espionage for no fucking reason
>for no fucking reason
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_the_United_States
Also, rather topically, this Texas A&M prof just got arrested last week for the same shit:
https://www.kbtx.com/2020/08/24/texas-am-professor-arrested-for-conspiracy-making-false-statements-and-wire-fraud/

[Anonymous No.12051761]

>>12051738
>wild claims of espionage for no fucking reason
Anon, Obama literally spied on Trump's campaign. They got caught.

[Anonymous No.12051763]

>>12051749
Yeah, exactly. They should at least be sneaky about it though, so if you catch someone doing it blatantly you gotta say something.
>>12051754
>It's like people think its out of the ordinary
I blame people becoming more aware, or trying to at least. Like when your friend rushes to tell you he just learned building 7 wasn't hit by a plane, just because you knew about it long ago doesn't mean it isn't brand-new news to him if he's kind of stupid to begin with and wasn't paying attention before today.

[Anonymous No.12051765]

>>12051756
Yeah but we dont care about other spies. Its always russia or china but never other countries namely one that prob has more fingers in the body of the United states then Russia or China combined.

[Anonymous No.12051770]

>>>/pol/
report and hide faggots

[Anonymous No.12051771]

>>12051763
>They should at least be sneaky about it though
They are, which is why the wild accusations are such blatant bullshit. Of course there's also "election meddling". Every fucking country does that. Even my fucking tiny 5 million strong country interferes in US elections and we're your fucking vassals through NATO.

Shit, our government even gave the Clinton Foundation money, but we're not supposed to talk about that.

[Anonymous No.12051782]

>>12051770
The implications of ITAR do relate pretty directly to spaceflight in this context, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.12051783]

>>12051765
Russia and China (these days arguably only China) are the only countries the US has to worry about from a strategic competition standpoint. A spy from France stealing an injector design is still industrial espionage, but it's much less likely to come back to harm the US in the future.

[Anonymous No.12051784]

>>12051765
I mean yeah, let’s take a random country for example. The Netherlands has PROBABLY “spied” on the US to some extent in modern times. But china straight up hacks into your servers and steals plans for the F-35. So at the end of the day, it’s kind of important to let NASA know not to interact with them (after all, rocket tech is ICBM tech)

[Anonymous No.12051789]

>>12051756
>>12051761
>>12051754
I misspoke. Not "for no fucking reason", but they're not smart for saying it. It's just people who want to make a difference with absolutely no fucking effort or thought put into it.

[Anonymous No.12051791]

>>12051783
Do we have a Russian lobby group or a China lobby group were senators openly express their love and loyalty for said nations?

[Anonymous No.12051793]

>>12051770
It's called spaceflight GENERAL retard. Just because the discussion doesn't interest you doesn't mean it's off-topic

[Anonymous No.12051797]

>>12051784
We dont have explicity pro Russian or pro Chinese lobby groups like we do with the one country I'm talking about and this country has done the same thing and has its on american blood.

[Anonymous No.12051799]

>>12051791
Lmao imagine if we just had one French Senator who ended every speech with "viva la france" and constantly advocated for giving money to the French government.

[Anonymous No.12051802]

>>12051782
>>12051793
When people bring up 9/11 conspiracy shit it's time to stop.

[Anonymous No.12051811]

>>12051802
No one did retard. Senators are talking about how space x and other companies are working for the chinese. This can affect spaceflight as in they can lose contracts.

[Anonymous No.12051825]

>>12051811
see >>12051763
even if it was a sideways reference it still doesn't belong here

[Anonymous No.12051830]

>>12051711
>The research brought together more than 250 astronomers, satellite operators and dark-sky advocates
So they surveyed a biased group of people who aren't scientists? LMAO

[Anonymous No.12051834]

>>12051825
Ahh I'm sorry, mr. Anon, no uncomfortable topics here, I understand! Cant even make lil references to something that's a nono. Nice little safe space here, I gotcha :)

[Anonymous No.12051838]

>>12051825
Getting mad at a sideways reference says more about you then anything else.

[Anonymous No.12051847]

>>12051825
Oh fuck off, you misread the post you idiot. In the example the truther suddenly learning about building 7 was implied to be stupid, the example being a comparison to stupid people suddenly learning that China likes to spy on us and being outraged about it as specified in anon's post.
You twat.

[Anonymous No.12051846]

>>12051799
Yeah I wonder who does that. Weird

[Anonymous No.12051856]

>>12051799
I'm gonna have to ask you to delete that comment.

[Anonymous No.12051863]

>>12051799
Or what if senators from Minnesota or Washington were lobbying for giving shitloads of money and contracts to Norway?

[Anonymous No.12051865]

5 meter diameter isn't even that crazy in real life but it is for me.

[Anonymous No.12051866]

>>12051711
oh no no, he's done

[Anonymous No.12051877]

For a manually operated hybrid motor, would it be safe for the manually operated valves to be right next to the oxidizer tank with a long hose leading to the motor casing? Or should there be a long hose between the valves and the tank too?

[Anonymous No.12051885]

>>12051865

[Anonymous No.12051892]

>>12051039
Earth goes through its phases once every 24 hours, or roughly thirty times a day on the Moon

[Anonymous No.12051905]

>>12051892
No. The phases depend on the orbit, not the rotation.

[Anonymous No.12051906]

>>12051113
he absolutely does have security, you can see them on the webcams at Boca Chica

[Anonymous No.12051908]

>>12051885
I like the atlas :)

[Anonymous No.12051910]

>>12051906
I wonder if he has deathsquads

[Anonymous No.12051946]

>>12051910
We saw them at KSC, anon.

[Anonymous No.12051963]

>>12051526
North or South?

[Anonymous No.12051975]

>>12051946
he must... CONSUME

[Anonymous No.12051981]

>>12051905
ah yes that's true, you're right

[Anonymous No.12051982]

>>12051750
that would be too cheap and might actually finish on schedule. you have to consider cost plus anon

[Anonymous No.12051987]

https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Elon_Musk
incoming retards in the replies

[Anonymous No.12051995]

>>12051987
>Elon Musk saw a great opportunity to generate profit from the Obama administration's gradual dismantling of government run space exploration. He devised a company that could soak up government subsidies and contracts like a shamwow. He named it SpaceX, which sounds like space and sex put together, both things that would be out of Musk's reach were it not for his money. Musk decided he could play dress up as Wernher von Braun[3] and shoot flying metal phalluses into space, and he hired a cadre of malnourished nerds to fulfill his every request. Musk wasn't going to crawl up and down rockets soldering wires and welding shit, or however it is rockets are made. His pet nerds bring his vision to life, and Musk swoops in like a balding eagle to take the credit and fame.

Sounds about right

[Anonymous No.12052011]

>>12051995
>Article last edited by Richard Shelby

[Anonymous No.12052016]

>>12051005
>>12051016
So... what are the red lights actually for?

[Anonymous No.12052019]

>>12052016
lighting things up while not disturbing sea turtles

[Anonymous No.12052021]

>>12052016
They're laser beams that shoot any ULA agents to prevent sabotage.

[Anonymous No.12052026]

>>12051995
>On 6 February 2018, Elon Musk launched his personal Tesla Roadster into space, and it can be seen with a telescope, running over Carl Sagan's legacy.
>Musk was mercilessly bullied in high School, which means he's relatable and just like you, except you can't compel some overworked engineers to stuff your high school bullies in the trunk of a Tesla Roadster and launch it into space. Total injustice.
This is great.

[Anonymous No.12052028]

>>12052026
>>12051995
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.12052029]

>>12052028
Hello, newfag.

[Anonymous No.12052033]

>i have an ssd
>still takes 10 min to load

[Anonymous No.12052040]

>>12052033
time to upgrade to pcie or raid anon

[Anonymous No.12052051]

>>12052028
Uncyclopedia is basically ED for people who don't want to see meatspin in random articles and are dramatically less funny

[Anonymous No.12052057]

>>12051995
>play dress up as Wernher von Braun
please tell me this pic is there

[Anonymous No.12052063]

>>12052051
I haven't thought about ED in a decade. Didn't they die, many years ago?

[Anonymous No.12052066]

>>12052016
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.12052071]

>>12052063
And then came back and died and came back and died pretty much adnauseum

[Anonymous No.12052072]

>>12052063
The original owner tried to nuke it, the fans set up a mirror, and then the guy running the mirror turned out to be embezzling money to spend on drugs.

The current version is an unstable shithole with like six users.

[Anonymous No.12052075]

>>12051987
>incoming retards in the replies
>>12052051
there they are! :)

[Anonymous No.12052078]

I think the mass sim is about to get attached.
Crane is up and there's a dude on top of SN6.

[Anonymous No.12052083]

>>12051995
This is especially funny considering musky was on twitter asking people to trash his wikipedia page a week or two ago.

[Anonymous No.12052086]

>>12052083
>Ayo Elon what style you want your wiki in?
>JUST, just fucking fuck my shit up!

[Anonymous No.12052097]

>>12052078
>Hop potentially in two days
C O O M

[Anonymous No.12052104]

>>12052083
desu I kinda see the value of a purely pop-cyclopedia that documents popular culture perceptions rather than actual facts

see also: internet historian is a national treasure

[Anonymous No.12052214]

Road closure for friday cancelled, still on for sat/sun.

[Anonymous No.12052222]

>>12051711
don't these retards who say building a lunar observatory is too expensive understand the whole point of SpaceX is to make space travel cheap and reliable

[Anonymous No.12052234]

>>12052222
Checked and no they don’t realize it. Reddit got flustered when Elon started tweeting anti communist stuff. Now they’re defending astronomyfags. Reminder that astronomy is gay, and it’s the geologists who want rockets and starlink internet so they can conquer the solid body solar system

[Anonymous No.12052238]

Elon knows America is going to go the way of South Africa soon, right?

[Anonymous No.12052244]

>>12052057
no
I wonder if ED has it?

[Anonymous No.12052247]

>>12052238
Why do you think he’s eager to leave?
>>12052234
Based. Geologists will build an observatory on Mars just to flex on urf brainlets

[Anonymous No.12052250]

>>12052238
You ask of the man pushing hell-for-leather to get to Mars yesterday.

[Anonymous No.12052257]

Anyone know if a 1:2:3:5 orbital resonance is stable? I've ran it on Universe Sandbox but my computer does it so slowly that it's hard to tell what the trend will be without running it for hours.

[Anonymous No.12052273]

>>12052238
>Solar Panel
To power his endeavours when US shits itself
>Cybertruck
To not have to depend on gas/oil supply chain
>Boring Tunnel
To get safe access anywhere without having to deal with the surface
>SpaceX
To move to Mars
>Neuralink
To rise above the stock of retards as the world shits itself

[Anonymous No.12052280]

>>12052257
have you tried running it for hours?

[Anonymous No.12052283]

>>12052238
All of the western world is.
Don't think Europe isn't right behind us.

[Anonymous No.12052290]

>>12052273
>Solar Panel
He is going to use it on mars.
>Cybertruck
He already mentioned that it was meant to be usable on mars.

[Anonymous No.12052292]

>>12052283
I'd argue they're ahead. At least rugged individualism is still alive in the US, despite the government's best efforts.

[Anonymous No.12052294]

>>12052290
Protip, everything is usable on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12052298]

>>12052292
>>12052283
I'd argue that America isn't on South Africa's path at all... it's on Brazil's.
The nation is big enough that will remain a world player but will end up being poorly run with huge differences between the different groups of people in the nation.

[Anonymous No.12052299]

>>12052294
A 3D printer just flew over my printed colony!

[Anonymous No.12052308]

>>12052292
US is only ~60% white at this point with race riots on a weekly basis. The muslim/black populations in European countries are much smaller. Euros are in a much better position than Americans and Canadians

[Anonymous No.12052321]

>>12052308
Race isn't particularly relevant when all European whites are neutered communists.

[Anonymous No.12052325]

>>12052321
Communism is completely moribund, Grandad.

[Anonymous No.12052327]

>>12052280
That is what I want to avoid for the sake of my laptop and sanity. I feel that a simulation time of a million years would be a good duration to verify the stability of a system, but my computer can only so 70 yr/s at most.

[Anonymous No.12052340]

>>12052321
I'd rather live in a socialist but ethnically homogeneous country than a tyrannical democracy run by angry 80 iq brown people

[Anonymous No.12052364]

>>12052327
have you tried putting your laptop on top of ice packs?

[Anonymous No.12052367]

>>12052033
Death to CKAN. I just found out that several bugs that were plagueing my part mods were the result of the CKAN insisting on using outdated/bugged versions.

[Anonymous No.12052368]

>>12052340
the socialists are more tyrannical than the brown people you're so scared of, anon

[Anonymous No.12052377]

>>12052368
Interesting. Would you rather live in Norway or Guatemala? Denmark or Somalia?

[Anonymous No.12052378]

>>12052367
I don't really see the usefulness of CKAN outside of the more complicated installs like RSS and the various visual enhancement mods. Is it really that hard for people to drag and drop files into Game Data?

[Anonymous No.12052380]

>>12052368
Different anon but what’s the best government system then? Don’t get me wrong I love living in the US... but the shit I see on twitter makes me want to leave for Titan or something.
Would my day-to-day life be better if I were a white person in the Netherlands, or Sweden or something? Also what would be the ideal government system on Mars. I don’t like the idea of “socialism” where I have to share my food with a NEET marxist who doesn’t want to work while i’m busting my ass doing EVA’s

[Anonymous No.12052382]

>>12052367
>not checking your versions
bro

[Anonymous No.12052383]

>>12052378
I like the idea of having it as an update checker, but it insists on fucking even that up.

[Anonymous No.12052389]

>>12052380
>makes me want to leave for Titan or something.
That's basically it, humans evolved on a landscape where you could give your town the finger and walk off to do something else. Now we're all crowding together arguing about who's right and who's wrong, it won't matter as much once we can give Earth the finger and float off somewhere else.
Unfortunately right now you are trapped on prison-earth and I think it's fostering mental instability to have no escape.

[Anonymous No.12052391]

>>12052380
>>12052377
the only one of those places were I can have guns is Somalia
the best system of government is shooting everybody who walks onto your property

[Anonymous No.12052393]

>>12052377
Nu-conservs are brainwashed enough to think that anything left of the extreme far right is communism.

[Anonymous No.12052395]

>>12052033
>>12052040
KSP loading time is mostly cpu bound desu, I have it on NVMe and it never pulls more than 1% max read since most of the time is spent building patches and shit

[Anonymous No.12052396]

>>12052391
>Wanting to live in a nigger-infested shithole where you get raped then shot and raped again just because of >muh guns
This is the power of right wing propaganda

[Anonymous No.12052401]

>>12052391
I disagree. It sounds good in theory, but a libertarian Mars would be so fucking unproductive. I mean I guess if it were firefly-esque where everyone walks around with guns like the wild west would be cool. But you need SOME form of centralized government for anything to work. The problem is, what government system would function to your benefit without turning into a giant cogged wheel like the USA?

[Anonymous No.12052403]

>>12052396
Clearly the best compromise is no blacks and tons of guns then.

[Anonymous No.12052408]

>>12052403
no, there are cool blacks who like guns
one of them is my boss

[Anonymous No.12052413]

>>12052401
Unironically a dictatorship would be best, but like you said... it might only work in theory.
Musk as dictator would be a net benefit I suppose. But the second you get a shitty guy in power you’re fucked.

[Anonymous No.12052414]

>>12052396
only on /sfg/ can you find leftists who are also ethnonationalists

[Anonymous No.12052415]

>>12052408
Limited then, only cool guns and cool blacks.

[Anonymous No.12052416]

>>12052403
That's rural Canada

[Anonymous No.12052417]

>>12052396
>living in a shithole where I get to shoot and then shoot back and then shoot just because >muh guns
yesssss, the infinite violence machine must continue

[Anonymous No.12052418]

>>12052401
Nazism

[Anonymous No.12052420]

>>12052393
Huh? The original comment was about Europeans being commies, so I chose two examples of EU countries with the most socialist policies. There are no communist governments in Europe as far as I know. Nor are there any "extreme far right" ones. Closest would probably be Hungary because they had the audacity to institute a pro-natal policy rather than opening their borders to migrants

[Anonymous No.12052419]

>>12052414
>leftists who are also ethnonationalists
most of 4chan pre-2015

[Anonymous No.12052422]

>>12052414
They definitely exist. I knew a Romanian communist who wanted to put Gypsies and Hungarians in death camps

[Anonymous No.12052423]

>>12052415
no, only admit cool people, ignoring the color of their skin
no shitty white people in addition to no shitty black people
>>12052413
>the second you get a shitty guy in power you're fucked
just shoot him

[Anonymous No.12052424]

>>12052419
i don't get how you could be onboard with trannies and feminism and shit but also be an ethnonationalist. i understand being right socially and left economically but not what i mentioned above

[Anonymous No.12052429]

>>12052423
>no shitty white people in addition to no shitty black people
This.

[Anonymous No.12052432]

>>12052424
>trannies
it needs to be rebranded so that less people try to jump on board with it
the technology just isn't there for sex reassignment, and gender is fake so whatever
the only reason trannieism is real is because the gender identity shit still exists
t. socially left and economically right

[Anonymous No.12052433]

[Anonymous No.12052434]

>>12052424
Trannies are a product of lowering average testosterone levels in the west

[Anonymous No.12052436]

>>12052433

[Anonymous No.12052437]

>>12052424
Never heard of richard spencer? He popularized it

[Anonymous No.12052440]

>>12052436

[Anonymous No.12052445]

>>12052440
t. Scott Manlet

[Anonymous No.12052446]

>>12052440

[Anonymous No.12052456]

>>12052436
what the fuck is the bell made out out, is that fiberglass or something

[Anonymous No.12052460]

>>12052445
Funny how these types always ignore that the 3/5ths compromise existed because the slave states wanted their slaves to count as full votes for greater representation, while the free states didn't want them to be counted for the equal and opposite reason - not to mention that the compromise was based on their legal status as a free man or property, not race. Fucking moralist crusaders don't even know the history of their own causes.

[Anonymous No.12052462]

>>12052456
Plastic, same stuff people make chairs out of

[Anonymous No.12052464]

>>12052446
>all those dudes with black ties and pocket protectors
60's NASA was truly the most /fa/ period in the history of engineering.

[Anonymous No.12052465]

>>12052422
based

[Anonymous No.12052468]

>>12052445
What?

>>12052456
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.12052470]

>>12052464
Seeing this thing be moved around must've been a sight to behold.

[Anonymous No.12052472]

>>12052460
There are people that, to this day, think the Civil War was fought exclusively over race. Blame the American education system.
In fact it may even be the majority conception of the historical event.

[Anonymous No.12052474]

why do slavs still use hypergolic icbms instead of solids

[Anonymous No.12052475]

>>12052456
>"The combustion chamber assembly consists of an engine case and mount assembly and a plastic assembly, which includes the nozzle extension. The engine case and mount assembly is bonded and locked to the plastic assembly to form an integral unit. The plastic assembly provides ablative cooling for the combustion chamber; it consists of the chamber ablative material, the chamber insulator, the nozzle extension ablative material, and a structural filament winding. The chamber ablative material extends from the injector to an expansion ratio of 4.6. The chamber insulator , between the ablative material and the case, maintains the chamber skin temperature within design requirements. The ablative material of the nozzle extension extends from the expansion ratio of 4.6 to 45.6 ( exit plane) and provides ablative cooling in this region. The structural filament winding provides the structural support for the plastic assembly and ties the chamber and nozzle extension sections together ."

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LM10HandbookVol1.pdf

pg 296-297 in the pdf

[Anonymous No.12052476]

>>12052465
Was an attractive lady, too. Hairy European pussy

[Anonymous No.12052478]

>>12052474
My guess is that hypergolics handle extreme cold better than solids.

[Anonymous No.12052482]

>>12052474
They've largely switched to solids as well. It just took them longer to develop the technology to cast motors in the size you need for an ICBM/SLBM.

[Anonymous No.12052483]

>>12052478
Or they just brewed up shitloads in "glorious five year plans" and have to get rid of it somehow.

[Anonymous No.12052486]

>>12052472
It's quite-purposeful misdirection, like many other things in the education system.
"We trained him wrong, as a joke" en masse.

[Anonymous No.12052501]

>Hall's ultimate plan was to build a number of integrated missiles "farms" that included factories, missile silos, transport and recycling. Each farm would support between 1,000 and 1,500 missiles being produced in a continuous low rate cycle. Systems in a missile would detect failures, at which point it would be removed and recycled, while a newly built missile would take its place.[11](p153) The missile design was based purely on lowest possible cost, reducing its size and complexity because "the basis of the weapon's merit was its low cost per completed mission; all other factors – accuracy, vulnerability, and reliability – were secondary."[11](p154)

personal icbm farms on mars WHEN?

[Anonymous No.12052503]

>>12052501
Source pls

[Anonymous No.12052518]

>Metal chambers of the size required were unheard of in the rocket industry, but only about two thirds the diameter of the similarly highly stressed Polaris submarine hull. The Air Force took a strong hand in the specifics of the chamber design, requiring that both Thiokol and Aerojet use rolled plates of 18% Nickel maraging steel. Experience was limited with this material. Thiokol went along with the Air Force's desired low cost weld tooling and procedures, as well as heat treating to the 250 Ksi strength level. Aerojet used a more conservative approach. This entailed using a more complex, accurate, and sturdy weld positioning tooling, better plate preparation in the weld areas, a more forgiving multi-pass welding technique with extensive inspection, and heat treating to only 200 Ksi. The resulting chamber was more expensive, but also had more ductility. On hydrotest the Thiokol chamber burst at half of proof pressure, but the Aerojet chambers all survived. This washed Thiokol out of the competition.
THIOKOL QUALITY

[Anonymous No.12052538]

>>12051027
Never. Fucking NEVER.

Mars is going to be bright red from the glow of foundries, reactors, and the heat of asteroid impacts. It’s to be a forge world where we export our harshest industrial processes. Terraforming is a complete and utter waste

[Anonymous No.12052542]

>>12052214
>don't worry about the hurricane, it'll be a big nothingburger

[Anonymous No.12052546]

>>12052542
well, it is
Laura is going North and will not impact Boca Chica

[Anonymous No.12052554]

>>12052542
Just started using windy. Literally the best weather resource ever invented

[Anonymous No.12052556]

>>12052538
What about the people who live there?
I’m sure they’d want to be able to take a walk without a suit/mask of some sort

[Anonymous No.12052559]

>>12052556
you can walk around in your domes without a mask
if you're going outside you need an EVA suit

[Anonymous No.12052562]

>>12051312
If ULA knocks SpaceX out of the race using daddy government, it's the end for:

- Spaceship
- SpaceX
- The Mars Colony Dream

[Anonymous No.12052572]

Has the ISS ever taken significant micrometeoroid damage? I'm aware of the Soyuz pinhole leak a little while back so don't bother mentioning that one.

[Anonymous No.12052574]

>>12052424
>trannies
Do what you want, call yourself whatever you want, cut off your dick and wear a dress, but keep it to yourself and don't expect me to pretend to believe your delusion
>Feminism
I think women should be free of the shitty way they're treated in theocratic countries. They should be allowed to have the same rights as men, able to go outside without being raped or harassed. I don't care at all for the new wave of feminism which is just fat legbeards who hate all men.
>t. self-described liberal who is also a race realist and who knows capitalism is the best economic system (with some restrictions in place to prevent monoplies from turning into monarchial dynasties)

[Anonymous No.12052580]

>>12052572
>Soyuz pinhole leak
Wasn't that a power drill?

[Anonymous No.12052585]

>>12052562
You mean Starship. Spaceship is Virgin Galactics self-destructing death trap.

[Anonymous No.12052598]

>>12052474
Smells better

[Anonymous No.12052600]

>>12052585
>>12052562

Yeah, fuck, Starship lmao

I'm too mad at the boldness of ULA to think straight

[Anonymous No.12052607]

lmao, got block on twitter by that faggot Tory Bruno, it means he saw my tweet calling him a corrupt mobster.

Fuck ULA, fuck Boeing, fuck Lockheed Martin

[Anonymous No.12052613]

[Anonymous No.12052618]

>>12052607
Tory is a bro why would you bully him

[Anonymous No.12052621]

>>12052562
Musk is in good terms with Trump. I could see SpaceX receiving help from the oval office.

[Anonymous No.12052622]

>>12052618

Because he is currently trying to take down SpaceX using the government.

Lobby mobster, government bitch, they should all be in jail for what they are doing.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/elon-musks-spacex-nasa-contracts-threatened-over-tesla-china-ties

[Anonymous No.12052635]

>>12052618
>Tory is a bro
LMAO If you truly believe that, then your IQ is lower than Chimps. Tory's double faced. His real self is what we saw with previous CEO of ULA who got canned after someone recorded an audio of him talking about what ULA really thought of SpaceX and their competition.

[Anonymous No.12052636]

>>12052622
lmao tony bruno is like nick fuentes

[Anonymous No.12052640]

>>12052635
>ho got canned after someone recorded an audio of him talking about what ULA really thought of SpaceX and their competition.

Holy shit, do you have source of that? What was said?

[Anonymous No.12052646]

>>12052640
https://spacenews.com/ula-vp-resigns-following-remarks-on-companys-competitive-position-strategy/

Dont know where the audio is right now, but its probably on the internet somewhere.

[Anonymous No.12052648]

>>12052646
Oh and the guy was a previous CEO, just FYI.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSbL7o_SJsA

But he resigned soon after this debacle.

[Anonymous No.12052656]

>>12052646
>— ULA’s decision not to enter the competition with Hawthorne, California-based SpaceX for a U.S. Air Force GPS-3 satellite launch, he said, was a simple observation that SpaceX can offer prices that ULA is unable to match.

Holy shit, they are shitting their pants

[Anonymous No.12052665]

>>12052648
This hearing is legendary. Musk just kept repeating himself and smeared the floor with ULA

[Anonymous No.12052672]

>>12052556
nigga we tech priest lol

[Anonymous No.12052677]

>Be me, a huge fan of ULA and SpaceX
>Glad that ULA has a cool CEO in charge and they’re doing cool stuff
>Defend then from the legions of Estronaut and PopSci fags
>Celebrate that they won the NSSL contract alongside SpaceX

Suddenly

>CEO of ULA tries to get SpaceX shut down by the government

What the fuck. I thought they were cool. You two faced assholes.

[Anonymous No.12052685]

>>12052677
>CEO of ULA tries to get SpaceX shut down by the government
If it's about the China thing, that's perfectly reasonable.

[Anonymous No.12052689]

>>12052685
No I get that but that also would mean ULA is suspect because Boeing sells its planes to China and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.12052699]

>>12052689
Boeing doesn't just sell planes to China, they built a factory in China to sell planes. They are partnered with CCP to produce planes. Its even more nefarious than Tesla/SpaceX because for one, Boeing is a direct parent company of ULA, while Tesla is a completely different company and two, ITAR applies to aerospace companies not car companies.

If SpaceX is threatened slightly by Tesla due to this lawsuit, then ULA must be committing suicide as their entire model relies on national security launches.

[Anonymous No.12052702]

>>12052699
>due to this lawsuit
due to this lawmaker drumming up fear about China's influence

[Anonymous No.12052705]

>>12052702
Lawmakers or not, China seems to be doing that just fine all by themselves.

[Anonymous No.12052706]

bros why do hypergol flames look so fuckin RADICAL but kerolox and hydrolox look fuckin boring and gay

[Anonymous No.12052712]

>>12052706
Hypergolics are orange and smell nice

[Anonymous No.12052713]

https://youtu.be/QZjmNbtmPwM
configs for ROengines WHEN BROS aaaahhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.12052715]

>>12052699
Holy shit what kind of logic is ULA using then.

I’m ashamed to admit that I’m wearing a ULA shirt as we speak bros

[Anonymous No.12052719]

>>12052712
THE SMELL

[Anonymous No.12052730]

>>12052706
just wait for a night launch of Starship

[Anonymous No.12052735]

>>12052715
You look pretty cute for a ULA sniper desu

[Anonymous No.12052738]

>>12051995
>When not accusing cave divers of pedophilia or recreating Eyes Wide Shut in his living room, Elon Musk spends his considerable recreational time sabotaging his own companies by shitposting on Twitter.
christ imagine having a fraction of elons life.

[Anonymous No.12052742]

>>12052738
That does sound pretty ideal ngl.

[Anonymous No.12052745]

>>12051987
>uncyclopedia still alive
LMAO. I remember the site from almost 10 years ago. Libtards still can't even make shit funny if they tried.

[Anonymous No.12052755]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Pm8ZY0XJI
is there ANYTHING with sexier plumes than superdracos?

[Anonymous No.12052762]

>using COPVs
>in the year of our lord 2020
>>12052755
Raptor

[Anonymous No.12052769]

>>12052762
wrong!

[Anonymous No.12052772]

>>12052769
no u

[Anonymous No.12052788]

>>12051711
They should stop whining and politely ask Elon to ship them a telescope to the far side of the moon or two.

[Anonymous No.12052796]

>>12052755
Where the heck is the propellant, and what is it?

[Anonymous No.12052801]

>>12052796
mono methyl hydrazine/NTO

[Anonymous No.12052803]

>>12052796

[Anonymous No.12052812]

>>12052803
>all that plumbing just for the maneuvering system
If the hydraulics-routing plugin for their CAD software is half as bad as Inventor's, I pity the poor bastard that had to make those drawings.

[Anonymous No.12052816]

>>12052803
>not milling your capsules
NEVER
GONNA
MAKE
IT

[Anonymous No.12052819]

ETA for high bay to be finished? 2 weeks? 3?

[Anonymous No.12052825]

>>12052816
That iso/hexo/whatever grid on the interior is definitely milled. Not sure what other processes they use for assembly, though.

[Anonymous No.12052830]

Bros... why print a house when we can fucking MILL it into existence by boring into the regolith

[Anonymous No.12052832]

>>12052803
propellant is stored in the balls

[Anonymous No.12052835]

>>12052830
omg I never realized that tunnels vs surface habs was fucking milling vs printing

[Anonymous No.12052837]

>>12052830
BASED

[Anonymous No.12052838]

Imagine coming in to land like THIS

[Anonymous No.12052848]

>>12052838
Imagine coming in THAT

[Anonymous No.12052854]

>>12052803
Reminds me of all the odd places you see monopropellant tanks in KSP capsules

[Anonymous No.12052857]

>>12052830
>>12052835
Okay, so we have

>milling
>prooting
>lava tubes
>steel pinecones
>craters
>biodomes

Are there any other factions that I'm missing?

[Anonymous No.12052879]

How would we keep warm inside on Titan? Does the place have enough wind to make wind mills viable?

[Anonymous No.12052893]

>>12052879
wear a jacket dude lmao

[Anonymous No.12052901]

>>12052879
Titan colonists will live in igloos and all will don sweet 1940’s-style bomber jackets

[Anonymous No.12052902]

>>12052879
I guess we'll have to snuggle real close...

[Anonymous No.12052912]

>>12052857
>needing habs
bruhhhhhhhhh just take the genepill

[Anonymous No.12052915]

>>12052857
Cliff side cities in the walls of the Valles Marineris? Basically space-age pueblo villages.

[Anonymous No.12052921]

>>12052912
Genetically engineered cyborg gigachads who can piss fire when?

[Anonymous No.12052925]

>>12052857
Space Nomads that just live in worksite trailers on the surface with primary habitats in orbit.

[Anonymous No.12052926]

>>12052635
Yeah but he'll respond to questions about rocketry, I don't really care if he's professionally a dick, that's his job, just like Musk.

[Anonymous No.12052935]

>>12052879
N U C C

[Anonymous No.12052940]

>>12052935
TRIGA rockets when??
>CLONKKK

[Anonymous No.12052941]

>>12052879
Lots and lots of insulation. Nothing in thermal contact with the surface can stay warm.

[Anonymous No.12052953]

What about melting tunnels on the martian poles? Is it a realistic option? You get tunnels and water (and fossils).

[Anonymous No.12052976]

>>12052953
Sure, you just need power. Being at the poles complicates that, sunlight is abysmally weak there, you'll probably need nuclear.
Just one more reason to tell antinuke fags to fuck off and start building space reactors, takes long enough to design and build new nukes without greentards and regulationtards slowing it down even more.

[Anonymous No.12052994]

>>12052857
inflatable habitats

[Anonymous No.12053002]

>>12052994
>inflation
IM GONNA COOM

[Anonymous No.12053054]

>>12052926
>but he'll respond to questions about rocketry
Not sure if you're a shill or retard. Have you read his responses? Its like half-baked shit you find from old books. He's a fucking retard. Can't think for himself and can't answer any relevant information. Instead he gives a cut-paste answers.

[Anonymous No.12053057]

>>12053054

[Anonymous No.12053060]

>>12053054
Eh, you can dislike him or think he's two-faced or whatever but he knows what he's talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0fG_lnVhHw

[Anonymous No.12053072]

>>12053060
I wasn't especially impressed by this presentation when the video was released and Tory's presentation is still not impressive, but if thats what impresses you, good on you.

But Tory's being two-faced is not an opinion but rather a fact of the matter. Him answering twitter and shit is because its a response to Elon Musk. He's a poor man's Bezos.

[Anonymous No.12053078]

>>12052482
They've switched some of their ICBMs to solids, not all of them. They're developing a liquid replacement for the Satan, and a liquid replacement for their Delta IV submarines.

[Anonymous No.12053089]

did... did someone say proont?

[Anonymous No.12053094]

>>12053089
Their mistake was using cuckcrete. Take the basalt/polymer pill.

[Anonymous No.12053104]

Does anyone else remember this?
I recall reading a paper detailing a possible brown dwarf or gas giant orbiting at an extreme distance from alpha Centauri that the researchers claimed was actually bound to Sol

[Anonymous No.12053111]

>>12052994
>"Wow, this is your Mars habitat? It's so cool!"
>"That felt so good... Why are you putting that hose in my ass?"

[Anonymous No.12053114]

>>12053089
>>12053094

[Anonymous No.12053115]

>>12053111
Oh for fucks sake, I forgot the picture.

[Anonymous No.12053118]

>>12053104
You’re not alone. I remember seeing something about 95 local brown dwarfs being discovered recently (not around Sol but around neighbor stars). I then saw something about how at least one has been captured by our Sun. Unless this is a giant mandela effect, I know what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous No.12053119]

Wow epic deep-spacerino thread! I love Elon Musk—epic space boi

Frickin epic!

[Anonymous No.12053121]

>>12053119
sorry, this thread is about flying trashcans, you're looking for somewhere else

[Anonymous No.12053127]

>>12053119
Spotted the faggot who thinks he’s clever by posting low quality bait for replies

[Anonymous No.12053128]

>>12052327
Just did it. 1:2:3:5 is not stable. At first it seems to decay into a 1:3:5:7, but the three outer planets keep moving out while the innermost planet moves inward.

[Anonymous No.12053129]

>>12053121
>>12053127
If only there were a thing we could do about stupendously low quality posts.

[Anonymous No.12053132]

>>12053129
already did that
have you noticed that it doesn't always require a captcha anymore?

[Anonymous No.12053135]

holy crap, i've spent my time arguing with a commie who legitimately thinks cheaper and more reliable launch systems are "besides the point" on whether space should be nationalized or privatized

[Anonymous No.12053137]

>>12053135
have you tried throwing him out of a helicopter?

[Anonymous No.12053141]

>>12053132
It's still always required for me, but I wouldn't put it past it to just be fucking broken. There are of course much more valuable things to Hiro than keeping the site working properly, much better to just accelerate threads with artificial shitposting for that sweet advertisement banner money.

[Anonymous No.12053142]

>>12053135
Tried killing it yet?

[Anonymous No.12053144]

>>12053135
What other criteria is it considering as important to space flight?

[Anonymous No.12053149]

>>12053135
Have you tried shooting them? Works pretty well.

[Anonymous No.12053150]

>>12053135
The "thoughts" of communists are not important. Why waste your time arguing with a commie when you could spend your time more productively convincing normies to ostracize commies from civilized society?

[Anonymous No.12053153]

>>12053137
>>12053142
>>12053144
>>12053149
>>12053150
no, i wanted to know why they hate SpaceX, they literally don't care that SpaceX is infinitely better, they just hate SpaceX for being a private company. i'm now convinced that all the anti-elon types either come from skeptics funded by Boeing! and literal communists

[Anonymous No.12053158]

>>12053153
They hate it because it isn’t run by a broke communist sucking the money out of the community while preaching about BLM. Elon is a billionaire, so as far as they are concerned, he is intrinsically evil and will always be a net loss to their agenda.

[Anonymous No.12053159]

>>12053129
>If only there were a thing we could do about stupendously low quality posts.

[Anonymous No.12053163]

>>12053135
>arguing with commie
Only good commie is a dead commie.

[Anonymous No.12053164]

>>12053158
yeah, they literally don't fucking care about the fact that SpaceX has advanced rocket technology because it isn't communist. its absurd

[Anonymous No.12053167]

>>12053135
>i've spent my time arguing with a commie
why?

[Anonymous No.12053171]

>>12053167
it was in some Rocketry discord that I entered because I was bored as fuck and had nothing else to do

[Anonymous No.12053175]

>>12053153
What did you expect? Idpol retards are infinitely more interested in the team armband than they are about anything of substance. Ideology is irrelevant to engineering, the only possible case in which it matters is to what degree it acts to produce either good or bad engineering.
The USSR's space program made some incredible leaps in space technology, but only in spite of the stupendous and overwhelming amount of corruption in the Communist government, and after the Communist government collapsed as they inevitably tend to do, their once venerable space program is now left to cling to the coattails of fucking China, an upstart with an order of magnitude less experience and an order of magnitude more ambition.

That's the only relevance Communism has to spaceflight, it's negative effects.

[Anonymous No.12053176]

>>12053171
Ah, to fill your time. Okay.
Just know that there is always something better you could be doing with your time. You need to fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds of distance run.
Also, discord is for trannies.

[Anonymous No.12053179]

>>12051242
Bro you can literally see the exhaust vapors falling down into the atmosphere from space

[Anonymous No.12053180]

>>12053153
>they literally don't care that SpaceX is infinitely better, they just hate SpaceX for being a private company.

Yes welcome to communists this is why they must be wiped out.

[Anonymous No.12053187]

>>12053176
i know discord is for trannies but i wanted to debate sls people at first, and i did a 15 mile run before it

[Anonymous No.12053197]

>>12053187
>and i did a 15 mile run before it
...it's an expression...
Life is short, don't let time get away from you.

[Anonymous No.12053252]

>>12051885
>>12051908
>STAINLESS
>STEEL
>STRUCTURAL
>PROPELLANT
>BALLOONS

[Anonymous No.12053282]

>>12053104
I think I once saw a mention about a close infrared target hit that the IRAS saw and implied it was a brown dwarf or something pretty close in the early 90s in a textbook at school but it got memory holed hard

[Anonymous No.12053305]

>>12052416
True. Source; Rural Canadian here. Literally whites, whites everywhere.

[Anonymous No.12053306]

>>12053104
>>12053118
>>12053282
I too remember reɑding ɑ pɑper ɑbout ɑ grɑvitɑtionɑlly bound brown dwɑrf. Wtf bros

[Anonymous No.12053311]

>>12053252
propellant is stored in the balloons

[Anonymous No.12053312]

>>12052538
After we disassemble Venus, Mercury, and several of the Gas Giant moons, the resources and energy required to perform full scale terraforming of Mars will be possible to scrape together via crowdfunding alone, like a small park/garden in the city.

[Anonymous No.12053314]

>>12053306
why are your a’s so weird comrade

[Anonymous No.12053315]

>>12053305
wouldn't it be nice if you had good guns instead of your government banning them?

[Anonymous No.12053317]

>>12052706
Kerolox has too much extra carbon which glows white/yellow in the exhaust, and hydrogen has fucking nothing going for it except a whisp of blue (except RS-68 which has a red glow from the ablative nozzle material vaporizing).
Methalox is what a kerolox rocket engine plume would look like if it were running much closer to stoichiometric (clear but easily visible and bright blue-purple).

[Anonymous No.12053318]

Is this enough for a small colony on Mars?

[Anonymous No.12053322]

>>12053318
nah need 50T

[Anonymous No.12053324]

>>12052857
Crater full of piss, dome full of air held under the piss by ballast, cities built in the pressurized air volume of the dome

[Anonymous No.12053326]

>>12053318
none of that is liquid, most of it is tied up into shares of his companies, which he needs to maintain control over in order to actually do Mars
the money for Mars is going to come from Starlink

[Anonymous No.12053328]

>>12052941
Titan is the worst environment to try to stay warm in because the atmosphere is dense AND cold, so it saps heat via convection very quickly. So yeah, on Titan to keep a room 20 celsius with just the baseline activity of the person living inside it, you'd need something like tens of centimeters of aerogel insulation.

[Anonymous No.12053334]

>>12053315
12 guage pump action shotgun says hello. Buckshot is going overboard, you say? IDGAF, I'll blast you with slugs.

[Anonymous No.12053337]

>>12053322
>>12053318
Elon calculates it costs somewhere between $100B to $10 Trillion to start a mars colony city.

[Anonymous No.12053339]

>>12053328
Ironically you'd be better off just staying in orbit. Vacuum is an insulator.

[Anonymous No.12053341]

>>12053118
>>12053282
>>12053306

I remember it specifically because it seemed like a really significant discovery, and I believe I discovered it while browsing Wikipedia articles related to brown dwarfs, maybe a list of them, which I then followed to the object’s specific page, then to the cited scientific paper, which detailed an object which was likely a brown dwarf in between Sol and the Alpha Centauri system, and was initially assumed to be bonded to the Alpha Centauri system but which the authors claimed was actually bound to Sol, but I can’t find this object or the paper on it listed anywhere, which seems really strange because the paper would still be available online even if it had been retracted. Perhaps it is a false memory or I had somehow read the paper wrong, but naturally I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.12053343]

>>12053197
i wore work boots too for extra effect

[Anonymous No.12053347]

>>12053334
enjoy carrying that heavy shit

[Anonymous No.12053353]

>>12053347
Not a major issue for fit men. Try rucking with what they make you lug around in boot camp

[Anonymous No.12053368]

>>12053094
Well that's at least better.

[Anonymous No.12053385]

>>12053353
>these guys destroy their knees because the government pays them to, that makes me cool
lighter is always better as long as you're not sacrificing capability
intermediate caliber semi-auto rifles are in every way superior to buckshot and slugs out of a shotgun unless you just really really enjoy ringing that gong as loud as you possibly can, which I cannot fault you for and whole heartedly support

[Anonymous No.12053399]

ULA launch scrubbed in case anyone was still waiting for it

[Anonymous No.12053419]

>>12053341
Was it related to this?

https://phys.org/news/2020-08-rogue-planets-outnumber-stars.html

[Anonymous No.12053437]

>>12053419
No, I had seen the paper, if the memory is real, 2-3 years ago.

[Anonymous No.12053449]

>>12053419
this image is very stupid and I hate it
why the fuck would there being something in between you and your destination help you get there faster?

[Anonymous No.12053452]

>>12053449
Mass budget and time. In that setting most things top out at about .01c so you don't want to spend human lifetimes twiddling their thumbs in the void if you don't have to. That's why there's a separate direct-ish cargo route for lightsails going from star to star.

[Anonymous No.12053521]

who /lunar impactors/ here
these solid kick motors actually provide a lot better performance than I was expecting

[Anonymous No.12053528]

>>12053521
sorry, we only do full reusability here, come back when your impactor is completely reusable

[Anonymous No.12053539]

>2020
>we STILL don't have reusable icbms
northrops GSBD is gonna fix this, right guys?

[Anonymous No.12053544]

>In December 2019, it was announced that Northrop Grumman won the competition to build the future ICBM. Northrop won by default, as their bid was the only bid left to be considered for the GBSD program. The Air Force said that they will "proceed with an aggressive and effective sole-source negotiation" in reference to Northrop's bid.[8]
lmao

[Anonymous No.12053609]

ALPACA on the moon!

[Anonymous No.12053612]

>>12053609

[Anonymous No.12053622]

>>12053609

[Anonymous No.12053626]

>>12053622
Bros she may not be Starship, but she flies like a beauty and is reusable. Even sheds her balls like a good trap. And those solar panels give me enough juice to shitpost from the Moon.

[Anonymous No.12053637]

>>12053626
Propellant is stored in the balls.
I have only a few questions left about ALPACA, to be honest
1. pressure fed or pump fed methalox?
2. When during the trajectory does its balls drop?
It's a cool system, to be sure.

[Anonymous No.12053651]

>>12053622
what do her expended balls taste like haha can i like them lol just joking haha

[Anonymous No.12053685]

behold the insane levels of salt of a man whose very livelihood is threatened by any amount of real, actual progress in his field

[Anonymous No.12053694]

colonizing shithole tropical countries for premium launch sites when?

[Anonymous No.12053697]

>>12053622
Can’t say I’m familiar with the design, but it looks cool and is unique

[Anonymous No.12053700]

has JAXA ever launched anywhere other than tanegashima/uchinoura

[Anonymous No.12053702]

>>12053700
They’ve launched from Kennedy right here in the US of A, have they not?

[Anonymous No.12053712]

They're walling off the Boca Chica site, now nobody will be able to see what's going on.

[Anonymous No.12053720]

>>12053712
can't stop that one autist in the Cesna lol

[Anonymous No.12053722]

>>12053720
These camera autists should start a fund to build a watchtower or something

[Anonymous No.12053765]

>>12053685
lol, he mad!!!

[Anonymous No.12053767]

>>12053078
>They're developing a liquid replacement for the Satan
>Satan

[Anonymous No.12053777]

>>12053767
Hypergolic propulsive landing Satan V when?

[Anonymous No.12053865]

>>12053324
>PISSLOCKS

[Anonymous No.12053869]

>>12052803
There needs to be more modularity in these systems

[Anonymous No.12053873]

>>12053685
>a completely non-representative "hopper", more akin to an un-anchored vertical engine test bench both in technical characteristics and in what it achieved.
that's... exactly what it was? whats his point?

[Anonymous No.12053881]

>>12053685
apart from the raptor related ramblings he is kinda right though

[Anonymous No.12053883]

>>12053694
they are already launching from Florida

[Anonymous No.12053912]

>>12053873
he's very mad because he is oldspace incarnate
>>12053881
also the bit about SN4, SN5, and SN6 being "basic prototype tanks with non-representative subsystems, materials, and construction techniques"
I think they're much closer to the final product that he'd like to think/admit
also the ramblings about how it's still a shed in a field instead of a billion dollar cleanroom facility
also listing that bit about fabricating some parts in Hawthorne as a negative is pretty stupid
>>12053883
Floridians aren't human
they're either yankee bugmen, c*bans, or fucking swamp people

[Anonymous No.12053921]

>>12052646
>>12052640
https://soundcloud.com/user-556604054
hard to hear and an hour long, but it's here

[Anonymous No.12053953]

>>12053685
It's like they want to be made a fool of in a few years time.

[Anonymous No.12053956]

>>12053953
oh no, he's already a fool
he used to be a moderator on that website, before either being demoted or stepping down
I think he abused his mod powers to silence his critics but I'm not sure

[Anonymous No.12053959]

>>12053956
A glutton for punishment.

[Anonymous No.12053985]

>>12053912
>also the bit about SN4, SN5, and SN6 being "basic prototype tanks with non-representative subsystems, materials, and construction techniques"
i think they are valueable test articles, but to really get to mars in the next years, these test would have need to be done last year as originally promised

[Anonymous No.12053990]

the mun during an eclipse

[Anonymous No.12053994]

>>12053985
i think they'll first send cargo in 2024, 50/50 chance of humans in 2026 depending on if they successfully land anything in 2024

[Anonymous No.12054008]

>>12053990
it pretty

[Anonymous No.12054060]

>>12053694
The US should reassert control over Navassa.

[Anonymous No.12054088]

FUCK URF

[Anonymous No.12054099]

How would you pull off a Mars Direct mission with current tech,if you were head of the entire American space program and had 100 billion dollars of budget?
(When i say current tech,anything that has been tested and worked,like NTR's,but hasn't been used in space travel is still included)

[Anonymous No.12054143]

We hopping on the 28th?

[Anonymous No.12054147]

>>12054099
use the lockhead martin lander and yeet everythig else with falcon heavys

[Anonymous No.12054213]

>>12054099
Put a really long boom on the iss and a nuclear propulsion system on it.

Modify a falcon 9 booster. So it can get to the iss itself. Then refuel it, attach a crew dragon to it, and attach it to the iss. Once in orbit. It will land on its own and be the ascent vehicle. To return to the iss.

Decent will be a separate crew dragon with propulsion landing and air bags.

The surface hab, rover, and everything else will be sent by FHeavy launches ahead of time.

4 man mission. 2 stay in orbit on the iss. The other 2 go to the surface and back.

[Anonymous No.12054215]

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