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>> No.1203808

>madison not there

fucku.jpgeg

>> No.1203821

no mcmasters for canada; you're a retard

>> No.1203824

U of T here.

Feels alright, man.

>> No.1203825

>>1203821

you actually think that's a good school ?

lawlzorpewpew

>> No.1203832

Top universities for what?

Overall?

Engineering?

Seems kind of skewed to engineering, yet Harvard basically lacks an Engineering program.

>> No.1203835

>caltech lower than princeton

gtfo

>> No.1203836

>>1203825
uft doesnt have a nuclear reactor. haha fuckers

>> No.1203839
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>>1203832

>engineering
>thinks it's sci related

>> No.1203842

Also
>Caltech before Ga Tech and UIUC

>> No.1203849

>>1203842
>>1203842
>>1203842
Fuck yeah man, why isn't GaTech up there?

>> No.1203857

>>1203842
>implying Caltech is not better than GATech and Urbana
Fucking Carnegie Mellon is better than GAtech

>> No.1203871
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1203871

>Hong Kong above Utokyo
>my face

>> No.1203873

Hehehe, saw the image and went all "herro herro? Where is MIT?" And then i noticed the black ones are 2 and lower.

Virginia Tech could somehow squeeze the list maybe, but its all good now.

>> No.1203909

Also seriously what is harvard doing on this list?

This appears to be an enginnering list, and HSEAS is fucking pathetic in comparison to the rest of those schools, like FSU or UMD tier, only worse.

>> No.1203923

>>1203806
Oxford but not Cambridge? Toronto over Waterloo? So this is a ranking of humanities departments, right?

>> No.1203925

Harvard only pumps out lawyers from rich families.

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1203933

>My face when Massachusetts actually matters

>> No.1203934

>>1203923

UT is better than Waterloo in all departments

umad?

>> No.1203937

>>1203923
>implying caltech humanities department is not "How to be a high-functioning autistic 101&102"

>> No.1203951

>>1203923

I visited Waterloo once.

It's a pile of shit. A bunch of high-school-esque buildings. The only thing that looked shittier was probably the Wilfrid Laurier campus, which is just down the street.

I'm forever thankful that I went to UofT instead.

>> No.1203965

>>1203923
>Oxford but not Cambridge
>Did not look at Number 1 for england

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>>1203934

Dude, I go to UoT. It's shit. I know that Waterloo has us beat for engineering, architecture, urban planning, and probably any other area they offer co-ops in. We're probably better for medicine, science, and humanities, though. But the chart doesn't even say what it's measuring (and, as I and others have pointed out, has schools that are almost exclusively humanities-based).

>> No.1203999

>>1203965

Oops. Still, should Oxford really be at #2 on the /sci/ board?

From wiki:
Oxford is ranked first in Politics, Physiological Sciences, English, Fine Art, Business Studies, Middle Eastern and African Studies, Music, Philosophy, and also Education and Linguistics which it shares first with Cambridge.

>> No.1204027

waterloo tops u of t i believe

>> No.1204035

I'd like to go to UBC...

>> No.1204043

WATERLOO:

Program Name: Engineering
Average
Percent who received an entering average of 95%+: 9.2%
Percent who received an entering average between 90% and 94%: 36.6%
Percent who received an entering average between 85% and 89%: 41.6%
Percent who received an entering average between 80% and 84%: 10.9%
Percent who received an entering average between 75% and 79%: 1.7%
Percent who received an entering average between 70% and 74%:
0.0%
Percent who received an entering average below 70%: 0.0%
Overall Average: 89.0%

http://analysis.uwaterloo.ca/docs/cudo_2009/htmlSectionB.php#sectionb3

UofT:
Engineering Average
Percent who received an entering average of 95%+ 13.2%
Percent who received an entering average between 90% and 94% 40.1%
Percent who received an entering average between 85% and 89% 30.6%
Percent who received an entering average between 80% and 84% 15.1%
Percent who received an entering average between 75% and 79% 1.0%
Percent who received an entering average between 70% and 74% 0.0%
Percent who received an entering average below 70% 0.0%

Overall Average 89.9%

http://www.utoronto.ca/about-uoft/measuring-our-performance/cudo/cudo-2009/admission.htm

University of Toronto
1 in Canada, 27 world

University of Waterloo
7-18 Canada, 201-302 world

http://www.arwu.org/Country2009Main.jsp?param=Canada

Engineering and information technology
University of Toronto 9th world
University of Waterloo 27th world

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=419


http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools

etc

>> No.1204052

>>1204043
Shit man, they both suck >.<

>> No.1204055

>>1204043
Waterloo just got pwned hard.

>> No.1204059

>>1204027
lolno, umad?

>> No.1204077

Amerifag here, wtf is Waterloo?

>> No.1204094

>>1204043

Only the co-op program is good, and it's what Waterloo has built it's reputation on.

>> No.1204101

>>1204077

Waterloo has the largest co-op program in the world. Surprised you've never heard of it.

>> No.1204103

UBC = 86% to enter.

FUCKING SMART IMMIGRANTS RAISING ENTERING AVERAGE!

>> No.1204117

>>1204103

BCfag here. I got a fucking 92.4% average without ever studying in Grade 12. Our educational system is a joke.

(Currently taking physics at UWaterloo)

>> No.1204123

>>1204077

Pretty good Canadian university. Microsoft, in its heyday, used to hire the entire graduating computer eng. class.

Research in Motion started there, and is an offshoot (the guys who invented the Blackberry).

>> No.1204132

>>1203836
They actually do have a nuclear reactor. It's a tiny one and a badly kept secret but they have one.

>> No.1204153

>>1204103
Grade inflation. 86% is nothing, and is easily accomplished by anybody with half a brain. And the worst part is Canada is ranked very highly for high school attainment.

Fun fact: the Office of the Minister of Education sent me two letters in my grade 12 year. One said if I missed another class I wouldn't be eligible to receive a diploma. The other congratulated me on my multiple 100% scores on final exams.

>> No.1204154

>>1204117
Natural physics? Why would you ever go to waterloo for that? Waterloo suck for everything except engineering.

UBC has a particle lab AND a nuclear reactor on campus. You should've stayed in BC instead.

>> No.1204155

>>1204117
Physics? At Waterloo?

Why? If you're going to take anything at Waterloo, it should be Chemistry or Faggotry (Engineering, they EXCEL LIKE MAD at it).

>> No.1204159

>>1204117
Yea UofT is ranked and known much more than Waterloo for physics (and pretty much every other program).

>> No.1204161

Seriously though /sci/, if you wanted to pursue research science rather than engineering, would it be better to go to U of T than Waterloo? And which fields of research science are better at which school?

>> No.1204166

>>1204161
see
>>1204043

>> No.1204173

>>1204043
The only people I know that go for Waterloo engineering are the people that get rejected from UofT, so that explains the higher entrance average for UofT.

>> No.1204178

>>1204166
Alright, so you're saying UofT is better for engineering.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

>> No.1204183

>>1204178
Those rankings are also for science.

>> No.1204184

U of alberta, feels good man

>> No.1204186

>>1204173

Uh, no. Waterloo is most people's first choice for engineering because of their large co-op program.

>> No.1204189

>>1204155
Waterloo is good for chemistry eh? So for chemistry and physics, you should look into Waterloo and UofT respectively?

>> No.1204192

>>1204186
>implying UofT does not have a big co-op program

And why is it that the entering average for UofT is higher then, btw?

>> No.1204196

Lol Canada. If you get a 80% you're basically guaranteed to go into any university.

>> No.1204206 [DELETED] 

>>1204196
Wrong, many programs required >90% easily. And also, 80% in Canada is 90% in USA (US universities bump up marks for Canadians because our curriculum is harder, it's ranke 5th in the world, whearas America's HS system is 37th).

>> No.1204211

>>1204196
Wrong, many programs required >90% easily. And also, 80% in Canada is 90% in USA (US universities bump up marks for Canadians because our curriculum is harder, it's ranked 5th in the world, whereas America's HS system is 37th).

>> No.1204227

Here's the REAL United States Uni list when it comes to engineering/science in general:

1. MIT
2. Berkeley
3. Carnegie Mellon
4. Caltech
5. Georgia Tech

>> No.1204232

>>1204189
Yes. Go to UoT if you're really smart in Chemistry. If not, go to Waterloo. Why? Because you're almost guaranteed a job even if you suck ass at Chemistry. all thanks to their co-op programs. If you're smart, you're going to get a job anyways, so why not go for even HIGHER education at UoT?

>>1204196
HURR. No. 80% for normies. 86%+ for higher tiers.

>> No.1204244

>>1204232
Smart people are asspies. They can't get jobs.

>> No.1204253

>>1204227
lol no Stanford

>> No.1204254

McGill University Here

All round better than UoT because hey, it's in fucking Montreal. Cant beat dat nightlife.

Also, we have a lot of humanitarian programs and other hippy ecology stuff. Geography major here

>> No.1204259

>>1204254
>canadian

stfu maple syrup fagot

>> No.1204260

>>1204206
5th? The 2006 PISA (OECD study) showed Canadian students third in science proficiency (behind Finland, and Hong Kong) - the United States was 29th. The same study ranked Canada 4th in reading and 5th in mathematics, with the United States at 32nd and 36th.

>> No.1204261

>>1204211
This post was >>1204206 when I made mine.

>> No.1204264

>>1204260
2nd, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#Results

feelsgoodman.jpg

>> No.1204268

Whats it feel like to be educationally inferior to Canadians, Amerifags?

>umad?

>> No.1204272

>>1204264
That is a list of just OECD countries. Hong-Kong was surveyed, but is not a member of the OECD.

>> No.1204278

>>1204211
>US's curriculum is harder
>Most jobs require American graduates to re-take certain courses at Canadian Universities

>> No.1204279

>>1204272
What? The list is based on scores.

>> No.1204282

fucking HSers and undergads... Im at gradschool and i have read a shitload of important papers.. and not a single one of them come from princeton harvard or caltech.. Yeah caltech is good at aerospace engineering and physics but thats about it. MIT engineering too.

Now, im in the life sciences, and theres a TON of papers from University of Chicago... in my opinion thats the best university in the world. at least for life sciences.. Berkeley is pretty good too. Then the so-called public ivies (Berkeley, Madison, Penstate, UIUC,UT austin, Michigan University etc.)

if you are enrolled in of the colleges mentioned above and you are in life sciences.. youll be fine.

this ranking shit is bullshit

>> No.1204285

>>1204278
How is US's curriculum harder when it's ranked shit-tier?

>> No.1204294

>>1204279
You're not reading what I'm saying. Your list (Wikipedia's) tabulates the results of OECD countries. Hong-Kong was a part of the survey, and had a score (the second highest after Finland), but does not appear on your list because it is not a member of the OECD. Canada is 3rd.

>> No.1204301

>>1204227
If you include Stanford, that might be a decent list for engineering. For science, the ivies are way ahead of schools like GA Tech

>> No.1204303

>Canadian Universities are better than American Universities
>Americans complain about their hard-ass workload
>Canadians thinks that other countries has it harder

>> No.1204306

>>1204227
Another unsourced troll post.

Actually, according to USNWR, the magazine that actually does these rankings, it is...

1. MIT
2. Standford + UCB
4. Caltech
5. Ga Tech + UIUC

Sauce: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-engineering

Anyone else claiming any other ranks for US general engineering programs is trolling and/or making shit up. USNWR sends out peer surveys to every accredited department each year and works off of that.

>> No.1204309

>>1204285
Let me explain that post to you

"Implying US's curriculum is harder"
"When in reality, most jobs in Canada requires American graduate to re-take certain courses in Canadian Universities"

Better?

>> No.1204310

>>1204306
>implying US News is the only people who do rankings

>> No.1204316

>>1204309
Can you read? How was he implying US's curriculum is harder?

>> No.1204319

>>1204282
Ehehehe.

It's funny how you view shit from your perspective.

BECAUSE IF I THINK MY HOMEWORK IS HARDER, IT MEANS BETTER UNIVERSITIES' HOMEWORK IS EASIER.

>> No.1204322

>>1204310
Anyone can hang a sign out saying ENGINEERING RANKS, 10 CENTS

USNWR is basically the gold standard in the US, albeit a flawed gold standard.

>> No.1204326

>>1204309
[CITATION NEEDED]

>> No.1204328

>>1204316
Because I made both the posts.

Unlike you're me and you know I'm wrong which means you know you're wrong.

Which you are.

>> No.1204333 [DELETED] 

>>1204328
Wtf? Here, try reading this again:

>>Wrong, many programs required >90% easily. And also, 80% in Canada is 90% in USA (US universities bump up marks for Canadians because our curriculum is harder, it's ranked 5th in the world, whereas America's HS system is 37th).

I'm saying that since Canada's curriculum is harder, Cancadian averages get bumped up in the US to compensate, and Canada is also ranked much better.

>> No.1204336

>>1204326
lrn2google

>> No.1204337

>>1204328
Wtf? Here, try reading this again:

>>Wrong, many programs required >90% easily. And also, 80% in Canada is 90% in USA (US universities bump up marks for Canadians because our curriculum is harder, it's ranked 5th in the world, whereas America's HS system is 37th).

I'm saying that since Canada's curriculum is harder, Canadian averages get bumped up in the US to compensate, and Canada is also ranked much better.

>> No.1204338

Why is the fact that Waterloo has a mathematics FACULTY being overlooked here.

>> No.1204339

>>1204326
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#Results

>> No.1204345

>>1204339

neat. but i was referring to

>"When in reality, most jobs in Canada requires American graduate to re-take certain courses in Canadian Universities"

which is a dubious claim.

>> No.1204351

USA really does have most of the best unis in the world.


We can all agree our highschool system is shit, but theres no denying it. Our ivy league rapes anything canada has to offer.

>> No.1204353

>>1204337

I think he was using your post as a citation to generalize how Americans claim their universities are harder when they can't get jobs in Canada with their shitty degrees.

Makes sense to me.

>> No.1204356

>>1204351
http://www.premed101.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3611.html

>> No.1204372

>>1204351
Nah, bro.

>> No.1204390

Needs moar CMU

>> No.1204406

>>1204319
>BECAUSE IF I THINK MY HOMEWORK IS HARDER, IT MEANS BETTER UNIVERSITIES' HOMEWORK IS EASIER.

i dont understand your post.. is that what u believe or is what you THINK i believe?...

Anyhow, i never ever mention homework dumbass nor the college workload. thats retarded. Im saying that, in my experience, relevant papers dont come from ivy league universities or any other 40k+/year university. At least, they arent as prolific as they should, with the endowments they receive and the crazy tuition they charge. (except University of Chicago). Many cheaper larger universities (Public Ivies) have really amazing graduate programs. and they have a really nice faculty in most of the cases, public ivies are way ahead in some fields compared to US universities in Ops list.

This ranking bullshit, seems as an excuse to pay the crazy amount of tuition and be in debt for life.

Now the only good thing that comes from this universities, are contacts. If you are planning into going into business/politics/law, Yeah sure go for it, but since this is a science board, and presumably most of you guys are going into sciences. you are going to be in debt for the rest of your lives after you graduate. And im not counting Grad school here, which is a must for a science career.

>> No.1204437

>>1204406
>>1204406
the best way to end a thread of rankings is prooving you lardasses how stupid you are

thank you good sir

>> No.1204445

Everyone before or after this post has been trolled

>> No.1204466

lol private ivy league schools

Good for your career I guess, if you are a business major.

>> No.1204480

>Berkeley
>2
Nope.

>> No.1204583

>>1204338
UW mathie (woo pink tie) reportin'

>> No.1204600

>>1203806
MIT
it cost over 9000$ per day!

>> No.1204608

CarletonU biomed engineer here. Pretty happy with my uni although I guess it's technically community college tier in comparison.

>> No.1204626

>>1204600
I honestly can't understand how kids kill themselves over a bad grade in ivy schools. Then again my parents have never put pressure on me to do well in school.

>> No.1204629

I am Canadian but i disagree berkely over princeton and harvard

>> No.1204631

>>1203806

Cool list bro, too bad that I had bad grades in high school now I can't into higher ed.

>> No.1204652

>>1204631
Community college, enroll in one.

>> No.1204657

>>1204631
My friend went to a community college and then transferred to GWU. Someone else went to harvard after he decided to stop being a failure at life.

>> No.1204674

>no Yale

>> No.1204686

>>1204278
>>1204278
>>1204278
>>1204278
>implying its not the same vice versa

>> No.1205175

>>1204254

this man speaks the truth. and ubc higher than mcgill? you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

>> No.1205651

>>1204406
Too bad you live in the United States.

What you get for 1 year of education, you can get 3 in Canada. It's ~$40,000 for 3 years in UBC.

And better education, too.