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Is there a link between race and intelligence?

>> No.12037597

The fucking race-intelligence shit gets posted on here every 2 seconds. No. There is not. Go back to /pol/ and ask your mom for a fresh plate of tendies you troglodyte.

>> No.12037644

>>12037597
>Denies OP's photo
>Denies the fact that black countries have the lowest HDIs

Soýfaggot detected.

Get the fuck back to réddit, nigger.

>> No.12037676

>>12037490
any study on this issue will face the problem of separating between confounding factors such as education quality, nutrition, among others. you likely can't really confound for all these factors

>> No.12037684

>>12037644
literally, non-ironically: "imperialism"

>> No.12037698

>>12037644
>OPs photo is making a world-shattering claim about race and intelligence
they're kids you troglodyte

>> No.12037711

>>12037490

Blacks have shorter androgen CAG repeats which makes them violent.

Jews have genetic disorders which make them sedentary and low crime.

>> No.12037736

>>12037698
Two children with the same educational quality, one struggles with basic concepts like writing, the other is extremely smart.

Really makes you think why.

>>12037684
Imperialism? Really? So you are telling me that africans are inferior to white nations and can't hold back the hypothetical exploration, which happened a century ago?

The fact that whites arrived in Africa with gunpowder and sailing ships while blacks still had sticks and stones proves that intelligence is directly related to race.

All humans started at the same time, no race was given an advantage.

A nobel prize winner scientist said that the intellectual difference between blacks and the rest of human civilization is genetic.
Please, random /sci/ lurker, explain to me how a nobel prize winner is wrong, I'll wait.

>> No.12037749

>>12037736
>making these generalizations from a still image of two random kids
just go back to /pol/ please. every single thing you asserted in this post is wrong, it's almost astonishing

>> No.12037776

>>12037749
Either counter-argument or shut or fingers.

By not proving me wrong and acting based on emotions and empathy for sub-saharan africans shows that I'm right and you are wrong.

Blacks are scientifically proven inferior, case closed.

>> No.12037793

>>12037776
>I'm going to assert things without any evidence! I'm right! GIVE ME A COUNTERARGUMENT OR YOU'RE STUPID!!!!!!
"no"
I learned a long time ago that arguing with /pol/ is just a never-ending cycle of shifting goalposts and >muh opinion is fact!!!

>> No.12037804

>>12037793
I have an evidence, dear nigger anon, the history of humanity is my evidence, and you will never debunk it.

>> No.12037813

>>12037804
>my opinion is fact. my limited observations count as evidence.
it already starts. I'm out of here, maybe someone else will indulge you

>> No.12037850

>>12037813

So you are telling me that europeans with weapons and sailing boats arriving on the african shore and spotting tribals with sticks and stones is not a fact and also an evidence but it's rather my opinion?

The fact that you don't even try to debunk this tells me that you are either: a nigger or a nigger loving white cuck.

Either way, you should kill yourself.

>> No.12037864

>>12037736
>Please, random /sci/ lurker, explain to me how a nobel prize winner is wrong, I'll wait.
Bc jews

>> No.12037878

>>12037850
Why is it that people who claim black people are inferior are always the biggest, most disgusting losers the white race has to offer. Go outside, you're pathetic. I can see somebody like you crying about black guys "taking all our white women", when in reality no woman in her right mind, regardless of race, would willingly fuck you. Go somewhere else with your debunked pseudoscience, scum

>> No.12037883

>>12037490
yes
look at twin studies that account for economics and environment.
nature is nurture
even with same parents whites are smarter than blacks

>>12037676
twin studies remove all that fagget

>> No.12037885
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>>12037878
>Go somewhere else with your debunked pseudoscience, scum

Yet, still no counter-argument against me.

Seethe how much you want, nigger, your ancestors were building mud huts when the europeans conquered half the planet.

>> No.12037891

>>12037736
imperialism + post WW1/WW2 made everyone draw random ass borders, and everyone put on dictators as long as they supported them + africa received very little aid and benefit and education with respect to other occupied territories such as HK or Japan

all of theses confounds into the simple fact, that african "nations" in the modern-era never really really had the chance to develop because they are so constantly engaged in "domestic" conflict.

the above issues will affect and study, a la >>12037676

>"oh but pre atlantic slave trade africa had no math and science and industry and stuff"

that is true, but frankly they never bothered with that: they never needed to. or: just because they didn't develop those things mean that they have low iq

>> No.12037897

>>12037883
>twin studies
>comparing genetic difference in races
>"am i a scientist"

>> No.12037903

>>12037850
that euros have large weapons and boats, again, doesn't strictly point towards higher iq, but rather that they have had a lot of warring going on

>> No.12037906

>>12037891
>just because they didn't develop those things mean that they have low iq

What are you talking about? Progress is fueled by intelligence.

>> No.12037909

>>12037897
There are studies where you separate twins and put them in different families.
What do you think the other end is? you also have adoption studies where black kids are put in white homes of different economical backgrounds and what do you think happens?
The poor white kids are still smarter than the rich blacks.

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>>12037885
>my ancestors
you don't realize how stupid you sound

>> No.12037935

>>12037924
Never once I claimed europeans were my ancestors, my dear inferior black person, I said YOUR ancestors as in the savage tribals that inhabited Africa back in that time.

>> No.12037942

>>12037909
ok thats fair, if the study exists, but again you can say other issues may arise. perhaps: the black kid in the white school feels more alienated? again you can counter perhaps, but i don't think its that easy

also provide the paper

>>12037906
progress is fuelled by need, sparked by intelligence.

also you are blind if you don't recognize european /social/ advantages that aided in its progression of science. Christianity as a united front, perhaps serves as a good example

>> No.12037955

>>12037906
Progress is a ridiculously vague term. Different societies have different sets of values, regardless of intelligence. Not to mention there were numerous scientific and engineering achievements all across ancient africa, which kind of blows ur revisionist history out of the water
>>12037909
Twin studies are effectively anecdotal and really don't mean much. There are still many confounding variables that you dont account for.

Why are you racists so eager to feel superior

>> No.12037965

>>12037935
God I can actually hear the tears hitting your keyboard as you type this. Stay mad

>> No.12037971

>>12037942
>if you don't recognize european /social/ advantages

Those advantages were not given to them by god, they created those """advantages""", that you claim.

>progress is fuelled by need, sparked by intelligence.

Hold on, so ancient tribal europeans had needs that got them to world power but the black tribals didn't have those needs? Makes 0 sense.

That is like saying humans and chimpanzees are intellectualy on the same level.
It's like saying just because ancient chimpanzees didn't have the same needs of ancient humans they can't be intellectually inferior than us.

>> No.12037979

>>12037965
I am actually laughing.
Everytime I see a nigger I try to hold my smug face when I realize that they are and will always be genetically inferior to all humans.
It's like looking at monkeys, so dumb yet so funny.

>> No.12037986

>>12037935
You mentioned "ancestors" and that's enough
actually that makes it even worse, sucking dicks of someone else's ancestors to prove your point, shows what kind of a subhuman you are. really embarrassing. So low in life that has to cling on some other group's success (in the past).

>> No.12037997

>>12037490
Probably you need only look at the Australian abos for reference or any of the hundreds of racial groups in Africa they're all dumber than even my ancestors (maori) and we spent our entire existence eating each other and making a few cool forts

>> No.12038006

>>12037597
>No. There is not.
All standardized tests indicate otherwise.

>> No.12038012

>>12037965
>experiencing hallucinations
See a doctor.

>> No.12038024

>>12037986
I'm asian and asians had invented many more things in the past before whites did, like gunpowder, paper, compass, etc. I don't trash whites for that because in the global fight against the worthless negro, asians and whites are united.

I also used the example of europeans arriving in Africa because they were the first to arrive there and find out about the savage tribalists living there.

You should kill yourself, whoever you are, nigger.

>> No.12038087

>>12038024
>asian
Asia is a big continent fuckface, I love how you ditch mentioning the region you're living, to be able to suck on every juicy invention in that continent
By your logic, every African can claim ancient Egypt as their history, and that's exactly where this "WE WUZ KANGS" meme come form right?!
expose yourself you fucking subhuman :)

>> No.12038092

>>12037490
Name one "brown" (as in not Asian) race/culture that was 1. unaided by whites and was 2. still as successful as any white culture. I'll wait.

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>>12037793
>I learned a long time ago that arguing with /pol/ is just a never-ending cycle of shifting goalposts and >muh opinion is fact!!!
And yet you continue to reply. The fact that /pol/ understands the concept of “do not feed the trolls” and /sci/ does not is irrefutable proof that this is by far the stupidest board.

>> No.12038114

>>12037490
Probably. They have done studies where they raised blacks in a suburban low crime environment with plenty of opportunities and they still had lower average iq and increased aggression.

>> No.12038120
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>>12038006
Test scores don't prove that race has anything to do with intelligence though. You would need a scientific study to prove that. Like something that directly ties melanin to brain function or some shit.
The one concept that /pol/tards can't grasp is that correlation =/= causation. No statistics can truly prove anything about anything. Statistics help you make an educated guess about whats happening, but they can never prove anything like this because of confounding variables and bias.

>> No.12038132

>>12038110
you're a retard. I left after making that post. now I'm only back to check on on how much of a dumpster fire this thread is before leaving again

>> No.12038141

>>12038132
>It was just one time!
Thank you for demonstrating my point.

>> No.12038285

>>12037490
probably, but the important question is: what should be done having this information,or does it even matter really in the great scheme of things?

>> No.12038295

>>12038120
Is it really so hard to believe that human groups that evolved in separate environments developed different levels of general intelligence?

>> No.12038300

>>12037490
Yes black people usually only pass the mirror test during puberty.

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>>12038120
>No statistics can truly prove anything about anything.
Is this the final cope of Neo-Lysenkoists?

>> No.12038349

>>12037490
>>12037644
>>12037711
>>12037736
>>12037804
>>12037885
>>12037935
>>12038006
>>12038114
>>12038300
>>12038301
go
back
to
>>>/pol/
faggot
or maybe you need to have your fucking heads turned into a fine red mist by a shotgun full of dimes?

I'd rather see you all DEAD than put up with your bullshit anymore. You make everything in the world SUCK ASS with your brainless shit.
Just fuck off and die.

Guess what? There are stupid WHITE kids, too! Probably YOUR kids, because YOU are fucking stupid, LOW IQ, like most racist fuckstains.

So you give blacks shit education opportunties, systemically discriminate against them, beat them, kill them, make you afraid of all authority regardless of whether they're doing anything wrong, make them live in shitty conditions, food deserts, violent neighborhoods, and you WONDER why they don't develop as well? REALLY?
>hrrdrr they're dumb because they're dumb, LOL
We white fucks made the rules and they're SKEWED rules then we blame THEM for not doing well?
>'for profit' prisons
>shit public education in majority black states
>gangs the only way out of poverty for some
>recitivism high because the system is leveraged against them
>endless cycle of imprisonment
>SLAVERY NEVER REALLY ENDED IT JUST CHANGED SHAPE

You know what? BRING ON YOUR GODDAMNED CIVIL WAR YOU ASSHOLES, then I get to SHOOT as many of you as I can before I die. WORTH IT. Get you out of the gene pool PERMANENTLY.

>> No.12038356

/sci/ons: REPORT THIS GODDAMNED THREAD SO IT GETS DELETED

DOXX THESE ASSHOLES IF YOU'RE CAPABLE
HUNT THEM DOWN AND BREAK THEIR FUCKING FINGERS AND COMPUTERS SO THEY CAN'T SPREAD THEIR FUCKSTAIN SHIT ANYMORE
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

>> No.12038362

>>12038349
Reminder that science literally takes into account every reason from neighbourhood, families, schools, nutrition and environment to explain why niggers are stupid and still can't come up with a valid reason outside of that they are genetically stupid.

>> No.12038363

>>12038349
damn, someone's edgy today. Did something happened in your anime today?

>> No.12038366

>>12038356
Easy there, Torquemada.

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>>12038349
Imagine getting emotional because of niggers.

>> No.12038381

>>12037711
Sauce

>> No.12038382

>>12038363
/pol/tards are the ultimate animefags though
>muh 2D better than 3D
>muh anime waifu doesn't betray me like these soulless women

>> No.12038389

>>12038120
IQ tests test for general intelligence

>> No.12038401

>>12037490
Once the environmental factors are accounted, no really. This is proven again and again, but then someone publishes a book that kind of suggest a link and then all the lights come to that person, it is talked in the media, etc.

It's like when an anti-vaccine paper gets published in a small unknown journal that no one knew about.

>> No.12038405

>>12038401
Lol no.

>> No.12038413

>>12037979
I am openly expressing my smug face in front of my monitor because of you. How can someone be so tone-deaf? You sound like a retarded edge-lord with an ego problem.

>> No.12038419

>>12037684
China was subject to imperialism as well and yet Han Chinese still have the highest IQ’s in the world. The same can be said for India.

>> No.12038430

>>12038349
>Whites made the rules

If Whites made the rules for IQ tests and skewed them in their favor, then how come Asians are able to outscore them? Are you saying that Asians are that much more intelligent than Whites, it is it just that this is some shadowy conspiracy against the poor negro? The latter doesn’t sound very scientific.

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>>12037684
>imperialism

You mean like Haiti where "imperialism" leaves them all the goodies like running water, rail lines and other 1st world infrastructure and the black population manages to ruin it all and devolve into an African-tier slum?

Interesting!

>> No.12038457

>>12038435
>running water, rail lines and other 1st world infrastructure
Haiti was never like that

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>>12037684
That's where you're wrong. Asia was hit just as hard Africa when it comes to imperialism, colonialism and exploitation from European powers, in fact a century ago they were still on the economic level of Africa. Today however they flourish, do you know why? It's because Asians learned from their invaders and emulated a lot of what they did. Northern Europeans did the same when Romans conquered them back in the day, they learned from their invaders and even surpassed them after the Roman Empire fell. But Africans? All they did was keeping the European languages and writing system but everything else was straight up thrown out of the window. They didn't even bother to keep the infrastructure intact which the Europeans left behind. You can call it racism, you can call it bigotry, you can call it whatever buzzword you want, but it won't change the fact that the majority of Africans are just god damn clinically retarded and it would take centuries of hardcore Eugenics to change that.

>> No.12038461

>>12038110
That's because /sci/ tends to try and argue in good faith.

We don't want our board to be infested with such low quality posts that we have to constantly vet whether someone wants to really talk or just be an annoying shithead.

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Racist anons create a narrative and then find research to fit their own narratives instead of seeking the undertones. It's about the culture and academic pressure, why do you think Japanese kids kill themselves? Nigerian-Americans excel academically better than his east asian, indian and white peers. Please racists, stop sticking your ugly noses up other race's butts. It's creepy.

>> No.12038466

>>12038087
Stop being a nigger, you fucking negro.

What is an ansian? Japanese, Korean, Chinese.

All other are negroes and not trully asians, and all deserve to be killed and erased.

You want my nationality? I am from Korea living in US, and I'm far above you niggers, you monkeys deserve to get killed.

>> No.12038469

>>12038459
>in fact a century ago they were still on the economic level of Africa.
Holy shit not even close. In 1960 Korea was overall more developed then Ghana despite it's civil war

>> No.12038470

I bet 100$ that there is no single black poster here, since blacks can't read.

>> No.12038475

>>12038356
Nigger, just by browsing this place you are already a racist, so shut your finger down before you kick the hornets nest.

You are clearly a newfag since you are trying to bring the forbidden word "doxx" into coversation. There is a major rule for all chans and imageboards, surface web or deep web: do not call for doxxing of people, whoever they are, you might end up having to kill yourself, unironically.

>> No.12038476

>>12038470
I’m half black so can I get $50?

>> No.12038483

>>12038470
I’m half black. So do I get $50?

>> No.12038486

>>12038466
Yes, because the 'true' Asians are already killing themselves left and right because of school. Imagine having to study yourself to death just so that you could have an IQ six points above average.

>> No.12038491

>>12038486
IQ is genetics based. You can’t raise it by studying more.

>> No.12038493

>>12038469
A century ago was 1920, not 1960. At that point most of Asia was still Africa tier with only a few exceptions. Most of Asia only started to drastically improve after WW2. Africans were in a similar situation as Asians at that point and could have easily improved but because most of them have a retarded and self-destructive nature that never happened. Wherever they are or go, violence and instability follows.

>> No.12038501

>>12038486
>Nigger is angry at studying because his race doesn't do it

Oh, but of course.

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>> No.12038513

>>12038491
I'm not saying IQ tests could be studied, you fag. I'm saying it could rise significantly by the average give-a-fucks in academics a population has. Look up the Flynn Effect.

>> No.12038526

>>12038491
>IQ is genetics based. You can’t raise it by studying more.
That's not how it works.

>> No.12038528

>>12038491
you can study for IQ tests you actual troglodyte.
if you've never taken one before you'll do way worse than if you have, because you're used to the types of questions.

>> No.12038530

>>12038493
>At that point most of Asia was still Africa tier with only a few exceptions
Define what is Africa tier because Asia is an extremely diverse continent.

>Most of Asia only started to drastically improve after WW2.
No a lot of it was doing pretty decent. Japan was developing it's colonies.
Britain was ruling Singapore pretty okay since at the time of it's independence it has 60% literacy rate.
Goa was pretty okay.

>Africans were in a similar situation as Asians at that point and could have easily improved but because most of them have a retarded and self-destructive nature that never happened
Africa was extremely underdeveloped. What little was built only served to extract resources and labour form the land and people respectively. Many areas were barred off fomr Africans and African education was extremely underfunded and expensive with several colonies sabotaging it in various ways.

>> No.12038531

>>12038461
Constantly posting about
>muh /pol/
is not arguing in good faith. The fact that /sci/ posters can so easily detect a bait thread but don’t have the self restraint to just ignore it is both baffling and hilarious.

>> No.12038537

>>12038501
Completely missed the point. You whip a population into studying 100 hours per week, then look at their average standardized test scores and be like "OOooho ooggaaa booogaaa it's obviously all genetic based!!!!"

>> No.12038539

>>12038526
It literally is

>> No.12038542

>>12038120
How many white bois do you see in the men's Olympic 100m track final?
How many nogs do you see in the men's Olympic 1500m swimming final?
There are clear differences in the physiology of whites and nogs. Given this fact, why should it surprise anyone if there were also psychological/intellectual differences?

>> No.12038545

>>12038435
expect you are not critiquing my argument as to /why colonialism in africa/ causes issues

>>12038459
>>12038419
this is true, but again this is a social issue rather than an issue of cognition as in IQ. asians generally have a very strong emphisis on education, which again is more of a social more than an IQ thing

also imperialism in africa was on a completely different level compared to most of asia iirc. look at the history of congo. at least china maintained its own imperial goverment despite the constant beatdown by imperial forces, but they basically just took over congo and run it like a corporation

>everything else was straight up thrown out of the window

read this >>12037891 post-colonial africa was plagued by civll wars, which were caused in large by euro/american legacy

>>12037971
just take for example Christianity/Catholicism: truth-hood under Christianity is understood as being equal of foundation under these premises: its why separate euro states can still war with each other, but still have active conversation in philisophy and science

i don't even think african tribes spoke the same language, or cared about the same deities. they probably were on a constant ongoing hostile relation with each other, but this im not so sure. but point being was that they weren't up to communicating ideas with each other

>Hold on, so ancient tribal europeans had needs that got them to world power but the black tribals didn't have those needs? Makes 0 sense.

african tribals were mostly hunt-gather, and the african continent didn't very much encourage sea exploration asides from north africa, which as you see today is quite well-developed.

>It's like saying just because ancient chimpanzees didn't have the same needs of ancient humans they can't be intellectually inferior than us.

whats your argument here? chimpanzees can't speak human talk, and we don't even know how to give them IQ tests? maybe you shouldn't be so sure

>> No.12038556

>>12038539
Because you can study and practice hoe to do tests. If you don't have test taking culture you will face more problems doing IQ tests because you aren't familiar with testing patterns since a to of tests IQ or not are based off a format. You can inflate your score by studying for IQ tests and doing old ones.

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>>12037490

Is there a link between conservatives and low IQ?

>> No.12038570

>>12038564
No source

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>>12038349
>>12038356
Nigger.

>> No.12038573

>>12038491
Your environment, education and nutrition does actually improve or worsen your IQ, just not by a lot. Some studies i've seen showed that you can go up and down by around 15 points from your genetically determined IQ. That's why Africans in America or Europe perform better than in Africans in Africa, but also why Africans will never perform as good as Whites or Asians in the same environmental, educational or nutritional situation.

>> No.12038575

>>12038564
Show IQ from 110 upwards and the curve will go back to conservative.

>> No.12038593

has anyone answered the question yet? i don't wanna read all the triggered shitshow

>> No.12038595

>>12038575
>Show IQ from 110 upwards and the curve will go back to conservative.

You must be a conservative since you're too dumb to understand how a bar graphs works. These are mean values based on political ideology. There is no mean above 110 in this graph.

>> No.12038600

>>12038573
>That's why Africans in America or Europe perform better than in Africans in Africa
It's mostly a selection effect, those Africans are usually the most ambitious and technically skilled people in their native country. Their children are predicted by quantitative genetics to have higher iq's than their peers which they do.
>up or down by a full SD
The most robust study I saw was done about a year ago by Stuart Ritchie's research group and they saw ~5-7 pt increase after a rigorous early childhood educational intervention.

>> No.12038612

>>12038595
He's not wrong though. Although the graph is nonsense to begin with otherwise Blacks would be the most conservative voter base to date.

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>>12038356
What is you problem, pal?

>> No.12038632

>when retarded egalitarian taking points get blown the fuck out every thread and they still come back next thread saying

>nuh uh not if the niggers had good parents

Talk about arguing in bad faith lmao...

>> No.12038637

>>12038573
racist attitudes can influence IQ as well

racism and bigotry can effect where you are allowed to live, whether you get a loan, where you go to college, what job you get. All the effects of racism lower IQ of the race being persecuted. Which is why threads like this are a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. I'd like to scream and yell at how dumb racists are that they're perpetuating what they hate, but they know this deep down, and this is why they do it. They NEED to be superior and they know this is 1 method of achieving superiority.

If you want to be smarter and more powerful and richer than everyone else but can't achieve this on your own, then attack everyone else to make them dumber, less powerful, and more poor. It's an effective long term strategy, which may explain why conservatives have LOW IQ. They're smart enough to know they're at a disadvantage IQ wise, so they instead of trying to improve themselves they go on the offensive and hurt other people.


So why is all this shit bad anyway? Because racists don't contribute to society by betting themselves. They can only better themselves by weakening society. This is a negative sum action. It creates negative growth of society. Racists and racism as an ideology/mentality is self serving and parasitic.

>> No.12038648

>>12038637
Wew lad look at all that junk, did you actually write that? Lmao

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>>12037597
You have to go back.

>> No.12038660

>>12037684
>non-ironically
You have to go back.

>> No.12038664

>>12037597
This

>> No.12038666

>>12037597
FPBP

>> No.12038682

>>12038600
>It's mostly a selection effect, those Africans are usually the most ambitious and technically skilled people in their native country.
A lot of those Africans come from poor backgrounds. You make it seem liek every African is doctor or nurse coming in which is obviously not true.

>> No.12038688

also work ethic. Modern Asians tend to have godly work ethic even compared to whites.

while blacks have horrible work ethics.

it really comes down to how you react to your parents forcing you to study.

if you take it like a cuck and just study you end up having higher paid jobs, scoring better in IQ tests, being more focused in life.

if you instead yell at them and insert remote control into your anus because you can't play wow, then you do okay in life but not too great.

if you sock your dad in the face for saying you can't go smoke marijuana with your thug friends when your supposed to be studying SATs.. then you end up not inventing gunpowder and getting enslaved by the guys that inserted remote controls into their ass because no WoW.

>> No.12038691

>>12037490
Do you want an actual, non-shitpost answer? Right now there is not sufficient evidence to prove a link between race and IQ (not even getting into the fact that IQ is an insufficient measure if intelligence). There's just no way to isolate the race variable from all the other shit in society. The best evidence that people in support of the link can provide are bad data, vague gestures to evolutionary theory, and variations of the word nigger. A difference in average IQ between races is not enough to identify a causal link. Nor are crime rates. And saying nigger/fag/onions/whatever is not an argument, it's just cope. The academic consensus is strongly against this.
>>12037883
Doesn't account for Pygmalion effect, systemic racism, and some other things. It's just fucking impossible to isolate race in this equation. You'd have to raise children in an identical simulation or some shit.

>> No.12038713

>>12038637
>racism and bigotry can effect where you are allowed to live, whether you get a loan, where you go to college, what job you get.
There is no single law that prevents Blacks from living where Whites live, Blacks are more indebted than Whites in general, Blacks actually have it easier to go into college than Whites with the same SAT because of affirmative action and plenty of companies literally jump at the chance to get diversity quotas. There is also the fact that Blacks in Europe never faced any of the problems that African Americans did yet they perform just as bad.

> Racists and racism as an ideology/mentality is self serving and parasitic.
They want to get rid of parasites, especially welfare parasites who waste billions of dollars that could be spend on science. But even if everything you said was true, it still would be in everyones interest that Blacks stay the fuck out of the West because Blacks don't have to face racism if they're not around them evil racists.

>> No.12038722

>>12037597
BASED

>> No.12038724

>>12037490
yes but nothing to do with biology also your image is incredibly misleading so you shouldn't post it in the future, the black kid immigrated to britain a year previous the white kid lived there
t. brit who watched the documentary

>> No.12038725

>>12038688
>Modern Asians tend to have godly work ethic even compared to whites.
>while blacks have horrible work ethics.
Which Asians and which blacks because fyi both groups are super huge and diverse lol.

>if you take it like a cuck and just study you end up having higher paid jobs, scoring better in IQ tests, being more focused in life.
>if you instead yell at them and insert remote control into your anus because you can't play wow, then you do okay in life but not too great.
>if you sock your dad in the face for saying you can't go smoke marijuana with your thug friends when your supposed to be studying SATs.. then you end up not inventing gunpowder and getting enslaved by the guys that inserted remote controls into their ass because no WoW.

shitty assumptions on all 3 races lol. Are you retarded?

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To anyone out here that still cares about the quality of the posts on this board, remember to apply the I.H.R technique on these threads:
>identify /pol/ threads
>hide /pol/ threads
>report /pol/ threads

For the /sci/ oldfags:
Identifying these bait threads is pretty easy, with just reading the title and the content you can rapidly infer what actual discussion do they want to have and what narrative do they want to push. Do not waste time on arguing, either hide and report or shitpost it into oblivion. We must stop playing naïve; it is not "IQ thread", it is "we want to shit on niggers"; it is not "Climate change", it is "I want to speak pseudoscience". It is obviously common that these threads will relate to some political discussion (mainly those related to sex and race). Again, we are not /pol/ #2, this board should be math and science discussion, not whether or not you think masks are useful based on your dogma. Recognizing these threads and understanding that they are not science is the first step into solving this problem.

For the /pol/acks:
>inb4 boogeyman
You will answer that no matter how many times someone points that out; you will always say it in order to deflect obvious truth: that the post was done without the intention to discuss scientific inquiry and that it aims to uphold racism. Being here, it is not our duty to be against racism, but it is also not our duty to support it, much less dedicate 300 daily bait threads per week.
>"you So y for posting this" [insert wojak]
Dismissible.
>Cringe
Dismissible.
>libtard/leftist/whatever
Dismissible.
>automatic buzzword (rent free, you are not a woman, etc)
Dismissible.

>> No.12038728

>>12038726
based patchy poster

>> No.12038736

>>12038713
>There is no single law that prevents Blacks from living where Whites live
There are lot of direct and indirect ways to actually do that.

>Blacks actually have it easier to go into college than Whites with the same SAT because of affirmative action
Getting into those schools from high school as a whole other matter and it's not as easy as you think.

>plenty of companies literally jump at the chance to get diversity quotas.
They half-ass it so much. They often tend to fuck over non-whites, non-conforming whites in several ways and tend to isolate them a lot especially since even if a occupancy says it's diverse, management being racist fucks or filled with old boomers doesn't change shit. I've seen a boomer make a incest joke towards Saudi woman and a Kentucky guy and only got slap on the wrist.

>They want to get rid of parasites, especially welfare parasites who waste billions of dollars that could be spend on science
If you do that you'd be trucking over the whites and latinos on welfare and there are way more whites on welfare then blacks. Yes Blacks do have higher % on it but sheer numbers whites have more then 2x on welfare then Blacks.

>it still would be in everyones interest that Blacks stay the fuck out of the West because Blacks don't have to face racism if they're not around them evil racists.
Total bullshit. Why should Blacks have to leave? Also why are you assuming that all non-blacks are like you?

>> No.12038747

>>12038726
Racism is a subcategory of biology and therefore science. Just because /pol/ uses science to make political arguments doesn't mean it's not science.

>> No.12038749

>>12038736
There's redlning for example. Also there's just banks and comparison refusing to give out loans. one Black woman who had full teaching job at Rutgers's university got denied loans constantly. Her half white/asian girlfriend with a part-time job as a cashier got the loans on the first try.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks-are-shutting-the-door-to-homeownership/

>> No.12038753

>>12038747
>Racism
that's social science thing

>> No.12038765

>>12038747
>Racism is a subcategory of science
*pseudoscience

>> No.12038767

>>12037490
It's Amharic alphabet retard.
>>12037597
fpbp

>> No.12038770

>>12038736
The point is that even if were right and racism was actually the thing that's holding back a race from improvement then the obvious answer for them is to move to a country where they're the majority race so that racism stops being an issue by default. Imagine being a rocker going to a hiphop club, request they play rock songs and insult them when they decline instead of just leaving and going to a rocker club. That's how retarded non-whites sound who live in the West and complain about racism.

>> No.12038791

>>12038770
>The point is that even if were right and racism was actually the thing that's holding back a race from improvement then the obvious answer for them is to move to a country where they're the majority race so that racism stops being an issue by default.
Because international settings are a thing like at meetings, MNC's international events and more. Many people just can't go up and go home. Also sets nasty precedent that just makes life shitty for all in general.

>Imagine being a rocker going to a hiphop club, request they play rock songs and insult them when they decline instead of just leaving and going to a rocker club.
That's not even clsoe to what the topic is about. Coem up with better analogies

>> No.12038816

>>12037490
Lil nigga solving the dead sea scrolls.

>> No.12038830

>>12038349
> Get you out of the gene pool PERMANENTLY.
So you think behavior is genetic? Interesting

>> No.12038832

>>12038528
>>12038491
>>12037804
>>12037813
just kiss already

>> No.12038857

>>12038791
> Many people just can't go up and go home.
Of course they can, they just chose not to.

Discrimination will exist as long as different people exist, whether you like it or not. If you are in a place where you are the minority and you don't want to deal with the issues that arise due to that status, then the only thing you can really do is move to a place where you're not the minority. It's a hard but simple truth.

>> No.12038863

>>12038726
In the context of this topic becoming obvious spam on the board, I can understand there being a problem... but the topic of the biology of race and if it connects to intelligence is something that you could discuss, even if the intention of the original poster is to incite something, or shoehorn politics. You COULD provide an answer from an unbiased and apolitical stance to what you know is the root of the question. But in the context of this thread it feels like you are condemning the topic itself, rather than the intrusiveness of the threads with the topic in question. Again, if actual spam really is an issue (and I don’t come to /sci/ very often, so I don’t have input) then that’s the story, and I understand your condemnation. But, your post and most of the posts in this thread with the same stance seem like they are opposed to the ideas about race simply being proposed and entertained at all, as if it is the social unacceptability of such a topic that is the issue.

>> No.12038920

>>12038857
>Discrimination will exist as long as different people exist, whether you like it or not.
But that doesn't meant you let if fly freely o let it fuck up people's lives. Just because crime exists doesn't mean you an just say "It was always a thing we can't stop it".

>If you are in a place where you are the minority and you don't want to deal with the issues that arise due to that status, then the only thing you can really do is move to a place where you're not the minority. It's a hard but simple truth.
Not as easy as you think you. Many minorities face discrimination in their own homelands so your point just pretty much does not apply to them. On top of that in international and global settings discrimination being given a free pass will fuckup a lot of people in academia who don't wield power like various non-westerner.

The aid industry is fucked up because they treat non-whites like garbage, refuse to promote them or integrate them into the hierarchy while keeping shit to be an old white boomers club and pay them strictly worse wages for the same jobs whites do in the field.

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>>12037490
Yes.
Some races are more intelligent than others due to evolving in different environment for thousands of years.

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>>12038863
>but the topic of the biology of race and if it connects to intelligence is something that you could discuss, even if the intention of the original poster is to incite something, or shoehorn politics.
Because it leads to guaranteed shitposting and shitposting from otherboards.

>You COULD provide an answer from an unbiased and apolitical stance to what you know is the root of the question. But in the context of this thread it feels like you are condemning the topic itself, rather than the intrusiveness of the threads with the topic in question
You have to remember that most people making these threads or spotters in them will throw shitfit if you say anything that isn't "nigger bad". They don't want discussion they want an echo chamber. Its shitposting topic 100% of the time.

>But, your post and most of the posts in this thread with the same stance seem like they are opposed to the ideas about race simply being proposed and entertained at all
Because this is the 1000th time it's been done and they all end up the same. It's been done to death.

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>>12038349
School funding in unrelated to student achievements.

>> No.12038930

>>12038923
which environments because every place in the world has it's difficulties and Europe is not as hardmode as people like to paint it as.

>> No.12038933

>>12038349
>>SLAVERY NEVER REALLY ENDED IT JUST CHANGED SHAPE
Effects of slavery went away after two generations

https://www.nber.org/papers/w9227.pdf

>> No.12038938

>>12038349
https://www.pnas.org/content/114/51/13441.abstract
>A prominent hypothesis in the study of intelligence is that genetic influences on cognitive abilities are larger for children raised in more advantaged environments. Evidence to date has been mixed, with some indication that the hypothesized pattern may hold in the United States but not elsewhere. We conducted the largest study to date using matched birth and school administrative records from the socioeconomically diverse state of Florida, and we did not find evidence for the hypothesis.
>Accurate understanding of environmental moderation of genetic influences is vital to advancing the science of cognitive development as well as for designing interventions. One widely reported idea is increasing genetic influence on cognition for children raised in higher socioeconomic status (SES) families, including recent proposals that the pattern is a particularly US phenomenon. We used matched birth and school records from Florida siblings and twins born in 1994–2002 to provide the largest, most population-diverse consideration of this hypothesis to date. We found no evidence of SES moderation of genetic influence on test scores, suggesting that articulating gene-environment interactions for cognition is more complex and elusive than previously supposed.
>We found no evidence of SES moderation of genetic influence on test scores
>We found no evidence of SES moderation of genetic influence on test scores
>We found no evidence of SES moderation of genetic influence on test scores
>We found no evidence of SES moderation of genetic influence on test scores

>> No.12038941

>>12038929
School funding does help. It just scales less the more you put into it without doing the needed financial changes, and education+structural reforms. People city Kansas city experiment as to why money doesn't solve problems but fail to see that

>school board had no experience handling that money.
>Not sure if funding would stay on top of non city funding being weak so if funding were to drop the school board would screwed.
>current batch of kids still in
>was focused on getting more white kids into city schools over helping current kds in school
>teachers within the system were still pretty inexperienced or not well trained

>> No.12038944

>>12038938
>Evidence to date has been mixed, with some indication that the hypothesized pattern may hold in the United States but not elsewhere. We conducted the largest study to date using matched birth and school administrative records from the socioeconomically diverse state of Florida, and we did not find evidence for the hypothesis

>> No.12038945

>>12038930
It's not about being hardmode per se, just that some environments selected for intelligence more than others. But they don't have to be especially inhospitable.

>> No.12038949

>>12038933
Jim Crow was still a thing. then there was the de facto and dejure segregation and discrimination.

Then we had mass incarceration during various part of history.

>> No.12038950

>>12038944
>>A prominent hypothesis in the study of intelligence is that genetic influences on cognitive abilities are larger for children raised in more advantaged environments.
>We conducted the largest study to date using matched birth and school administrative records from the socioeconomically diverse state of Florida, and we did not find evidence for the hypothesis.

>> No.12038952

>>12038949
>Jim Crow was still a thing. then there was the de facto and dejure segregation and discrimination.
And? How does segregation decrease black intelligence?

>> No.12038954

>>12038941
>School funding does help.
Did you miss my pic related?>>12038929

>> No.12038956

>>12038945
>, just that some environments selected for intelligence more than others
Because that's so vague as fuck. There is no environment in all of humanity that explicitly selected against intelligence and every place in the world favour those who are smart.

>> No.12038959

>>12038956
>There is no environment in all of humanity that explicitly selected against intelligence and every place in the world favour those who are smart.
Not against, but some places select for higher intelligence more than others.

>> No.12038960

>>12038954
Yes I did. I was just explaining some of the factors. You just can't slap picture without any text and think that does all the talking. The US education system has many school boards/schools that are very under funded out outdated and other places that need heavy reform to improve student grades.

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>>12038349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW9Jer0QhXo

>> No.12038964

>>12038726
OP's question is an interesting one, and absolutely belongs on /sci/. We must ponder what it really is which motivates you to attempt to censor such questions. You don't know what's best for us, champ, so don't try to dictate what we should and should not discuss.

>> No.12038968

>>12038959
>some places select for higher intelligence more than others.
Again. be specific. what makes surviving winter more smarter then surviving drought season (s). You keep saying that like it's some magic mantra.

>> No.12038969

>>12038726
Holy mother of reddit if you don't like these threads then don't come here you absolute spastic. Or just post your "another IQ thread" frog and call it a day. Stop shitting up this thread with your delusions

>> No.12038971

>>12038726
Also, respond to this, without any PC bullshit
>>12038542

>> No.12038973

>>12038968
Just google Cold Winters theory if you want to know specifics of that just-so-story. I won't tell anything more that you couldn't find yourself.

>> No.12038984

>>12038973
I've heard and it's bullishit theory proposed by Lynn because it puts survival in winter as the pinnacle of survival intelligence because of just so reasoning. What makes winter so special? You learn how to survive it from your elders and parents. It's not like you fucking relearn it every single year. Also Winters aren't even that harsh for most of Europe because they have coast current regulating it. The Mediterranean developed in Europe first so that theory was killed before it even learned to walk.

>> No.12038985

>>12038920
>But that doesn't meant you let if fly freely o let it fuck up people's lives.
It's not white peoples job to make non-whites happy or improve their lives.

>Many minorities face discrimination in their own homelands
That's their problem to solve.

>On top of that in international and global settings discrimination being given a free pass will fuckup a lot of people in academia
Well then they better improve their academic institutions in their countries.

>The aid industry is fucked up because they treat non-whites like garbage
The aid industry shouldn't exist to begin with.

Literally your entire post says "whitey should fix everything for everyone" and that's the whole reason why so many people are racist in the first place. All the money and ressources that could be spent scientific institutions is wasted to babysit people who do nothing but create issues and more issues. Not only do they make things worse but they have the nerve to complain about not being welcomed with open arms while fucking shit up in a country where they don't belong in the first place.

>> No.12038988

>>12038984
So how do you explain the nogtard?

>> No.12038992

>>12038984
>I've heard and it's bullishit theory proposed by Lynn because
Cool, then come up with your own theory or start believing that African IQ is 100 if you like

>Also Winters aren't even that harsh for most of Europe
It's not about being "harsh" you idiot. If it was then Eskimos would be smartest people on the planet along with Abos

>> No.12039002

>>12038985
>Literally your entire post says "whitey should fix everything for everyone"
I'm not. I'm just saying we shouldn't be cunts to each other and pass it off as good thing. We should be kind towards our peers. I would not want to live in a world where being a racist asshat to another co-worker or person at work is okay or that if I'm in an international conference I have to deal with backhanded compliments and overt racism from my fellow peers just because I don't "fit in".

>> No.12039006

>>12038992
The Cold Winters theory is based off the belief that cold winters led to more pressure for certain intelligence traits despite every place in the world selecting for intelligence in some way.

>> No.12039011

>>12039006
https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2020/1/12/ethnographic-evidence-conflicts-with-the-cold-winters-hypothesis

>> No.12039013

>>12039006
>The Cold Winters theory is based off the belief that cold winters led to more pressure for certain intelligence traits
Not cold winters themselves but farming in environment which has cold winters did.

>> No.12039018

Even if the CWT is not legit, it just means that there is another reason why whites are smarter than nogs. It could be the simple fact that smarter people tend to be more inquisitive, which could have led to them leaving Africa and exploring the rest of the world, while the low-IQ plodders simply stayed put.

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>>12039013

>> No.12039042

>>12038941
Also other reason

The political realities of inner-city Kansas City made it impossible to fire incompetent teachers and principals and hire good ones.
Because the community regarded the school system as much as an employment opportunity as an educational institution, less than half the education budget ever made it to the classroom.
School superintendents found it hard to function because every decision was second-guessed by the court-appointed monitoring committee; the attorney for the plaintiffs; and the state of Missouri, which was paying most of the bills.
Because the designers of the Kansas City plan assumed that inner-city blacks couldn't learn unless they sat in classrooms with middle-class whites, the district wasted exorbitant amounts of time and money on expensive facilities and elaborate programs intended to attract suburban whites instead of focusing its attention on the needs of inner-city blacks.
By turning virtually every school in the district into a magnet school, the Kansas City plan destroyed schools as essential parts of neighborhoods, fractured neighborhoods' sense of community, and alienated parents.
The mechanism used to fund improvements to the school system (a federal desegregation lawsuit) deflected attention from the real problem--the need to raise black achievement.
The ideological biases of local educators and politicians, and the federal court, made them reject solutions that might have worked, such as merit pay, charter schools, or offers by private schools to educate students in return for vouchers.
Because the district had no way to evaluate the performance of teachers and administrators, promotions couldn't be based on merit.
The desegregation plan created inverse achievement incentives--the district got hundreds of millions of extra dollars in court-ordered funding each year but only if student test scores failed to meet national norms.

>> No.12039045

>>12038927
I don’t like the idea of surrendering to the troll posters. If these threads are a daily recurring phenomenon then I don’t disagree with you.
I personally DO want discussion.

>> No.12039046

>>12039002
If kindness and friendship with other races is your main desire in life then maybe you should live in disneyland. For me a positive relationship with other races isn't worth it when the price for it is scientific, economic and social instability, and that sentiment will stay that way as long as they have zero value towards the advancement of western nations.

>> No.12039048

>>12039019
plant food isn't available year round in Africa. Often what can grow at specific time varies on top if the food is actually edible or not on top of the long time it took to find and gather food (and hunting for meat wasn't easy). Not to mention pests and diseases can render certain areas uninhabitable.

>>12039013
Farming isn't easy in warm parts either. since there is ton of factors that effect it just like every other part of the world

-famine
-droughts
-pests
-diseases
-soil depletion
-climate change
-animals interfering

>> No.12039050

>>12039048
>Farming isn't easy in warm parts either. since there is ton of factors that effect it just like every other part of the world
That's why sub-saharans were hunter gatherers.

>> No.12039052

>>12039046
>. For me a positive relationship with other races isn't worth it when the price for it is scientific, economic and social instability
So you are just gonna kick all those foreigners out of America and EU universities? How about all the non-whites in them?

>>12039045
It's not surrendering. If there is a tops that is sharpshooting fuel then it's not a real topic because it just is used soley for shitposting

>> No.12039059

>>12039050
Vast majority weren't. In the colonial era the few that were can be counted on 1 hand. Everyone either farmed or were astrologists which is obvious as fuck for anyone who knows the bare minimum about the Dark Continent.

>> No.12039064

>>12039059
Thanks, I never been this enlightened in my whole life

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These threads are obviously started by trolls most of the time, but many of the posters later in these threads are not "trolling" — they feel that black people being "intellectually inferior" to white people is as obvious as women being "physically weaker" than men,
and for that reason the posters in question have a hard time entertaining the idea that the perceived differences are entirely social, and they are not comfortable with taking someone who suggests such a thing seriously. I think that’s where much of the conflict comes from. They see it as being "common knowledge" in the same way as the earth being round and it’s surface being mostly water.

On this idea personally, I don’t know where this could matter or what I’m expected to infer, but that’s what’s going on here.

>> No.12039095

>>12039052
>So you are just gonna kick all those foreigners out of America and EU universities? How about all the non-whites in them?
I would only kick out useless foreigners so most academics and scientists would be fine. However if they complain about racism or anything else that they don't like in the West i wouldn't give a shit, they either deal with it or they don't. If i was a scientist in China and i faced racism for being a "White Monkey", i would either suck it up or leave and i expect the same from them.

>> No.12039112

>>12039018
Fucking dolt, even the Africans in Africa moved, ever heard of Bantu migration, they brought iron work to the Khoisan hunters and gatherers. And they got it from West Africa which had developed it before the cave dwelling Britons and Scandinavians. But you would know that now would you? You are too drunk with your own hubris.

>> No.12039116

>>12039112
none of this was relevant to what he said.

>> No.12039121

>>12039116
Another dolt, what point of Africans never moved because they weren't curious did you not get. Do you want me to break it down in baby steps?

>> No.12039131 [DELETED] 

>>12039059
Sub-Saharans weren't all hunter-gatherers you idiot, Bantus who brought along iron technology and who constitute the largest language group in Africa were and are still farmers, where do you American idiots get your history from, all your stupid arguments are based on outdated inaccurate data of places you've never visited. You rely on 2nd hand info to make yourselves feel better about your iqs?

>> No.12039138

>>12039050
Sub-Saharans weren't all hunter-gatherers you idiot, Bantus who brought along iron technology and who constitute the largest language group in Africa were and are still farmers, where do you American idiots get your history from, all your stupid arguments are based on outdated inaccurate data of places you've never visited. You rely on 2nd hand info to make yourselves feel better about your iqs?

>> No.12039143

>>12039138
>Sub-Saharans weren't all hunter-gatherers you idiot
Most of them were. Just like Siberians in pre-Columbian North America

>> No.12039181

>>12039143
No they were not, most of West Africa had been growing yams before the cave dwelling northern Europeans were subjugated by the Romans and that's where majority of Africans lived before the migration. Yam has been cultivated in Africa for 11000 years, but you wouldn't know that, what you were probably told is that agriculture started in the Middle East with the cultivation of grain and anybody who didn't do that is stupid. Fucking idiot read more history and make better arguments.

>> No.12039201

>>12037490
Purely socio-economic factors

>> No.12039351

>>12038295
No, but you need scientific evidence to prove that. That's a perfectly fine interpretation of whatever IQ statistics you have, but so is something like "racism causes blacks to have a lower IQ". They're both valid interpretations of the statistics, but you can't assume either is true based on the statistics alone.
>>12038542
>There are clear differences in the physiology of whites and nogs. Given this fact, why should it surprise anyone if there were also psychological/intellectual differences?
Again you're proving my point that you don't understand that correlation != causation.

>> No.12039358

>>12038092
>Name one "brown" (as in not Asian)
Why are Asians excluded lmao? If white supremacy was a thing then no race should be excluded. Like you just conveniently discard 1/3~1/4 of the whole planet population to make your """point"""

>> No.12039371

>>12038713
>There is no single law that prevents Blacks from living where Whites live
$

>> No.12039384

>>12037684
>>12038349
>>12038637
>>12038688
>>12038726
>>12038736
I honestly couldn't care less why they have lower IQ, higher crimerates or why so many of them are welfare parasites. Either they find a way to improve or they should get deported.

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nigs are stupid because stupid nigs

>> No.12039627

>>12037676
>any study on this issue will face the problem of separating between confounding factors such as education quality, nutrition, among others. you likely can't really confound for all these factors

Yet Black undergraduates in South Africa really do have low IQs as this rigorous study of hundreds of black and white undergraduates at Johannesburg University shows. These black undergraduates are mostly suburban upper middle class, privately educated and have every possible advantage, yet have an average IQ of 84. Given that undergraduates are about one standard deviation higher than the average that put the average black IQ at 70.

Do you have any explanation for why Blacks in a majority Black country, run by Blacks for the last 30 years, who have never experienced apartheid and come from the wealthy Black elite, privately educated alongside their White contemporaries, should perform so much worse?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tvdf2

>> No.12039720

>>12039627
Blacks in America and South Africa have very unique behavior, it seems anywhere there's a white population, blacks underperform. There's a study that was done about the education quality btn SA and Kenya where they found that money spent to educate South Africans per student is more than in Kenya, but the academic performance in Kenya is a little higher for the same amount of money spent. I'll post it here when I remember.

>> No.12039822

>>12039720
And this is including white kids too, on average the study established that kenyan kids performed better even when they had less resources per student. You can find the info on this thread
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/kenya-education-sector.1236651/page-5

>> No.12040431

>>12037490
The link between race and IQ is environmental and mostly caused by systemic racism on blacks.
Learn some science.