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[Anonymous No.12036311]

Spicy propellant options edition

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[Anonymous No.12036327]

>>12036311
To clarify: the ones who benefit from the dismantling of NASA's programs are not human beings. They only look enough like them to cause confusion.

[Anonymous No.12036335]

>>12036327
No.

[Anonymous No.12036337]

>>12036304
>SPINLAUNCH
Didn't someone calculate that the rocket and payload at the end of the catapult arm would be subjected to something like 10,000 gees once the arm reached full rpm?

[Anonymous No.12036339]

First in for nigger rigged artificial gravity carrying a ton of animals

[Anonymous No.12036348]

>>12036339
The asteroid belt colonies will be a beautiful shit show, pirate craft propelled by electric steam kettle would be viable due to the extremely low delta V delta V needed to go rock hopping

[Anonymous No.12036352]

>>12036348
based

[Anonymous No.12036355]

>>12036348
>ywn raid a Ch*noid ship carrying a bunch of platinum from the asteroid belt and steal all of their shit so that Karens back on earth can have nice jewelry

[Anonymous No.12036362]

>>12036348
ywn mine asteroids and make a ton of money only to die in a flaming recreation of Columbia on your way to future Vegas

[Anonymous No.12036366]

>>12036355
>ywn be given a letter of marque to raid all chink ships by the Space Force.
Why did I have to be born now?

[Anonymous No.12036376]

FUCK BOING

[a true patrician No.12036378]

why is there no sarcastic jackass space news channel. everyone out there is all wowo what an epic job guys you rock :DDD redditor GARBAGE

[Anonymous No.12036379]

>>12036378
Because 8 year olds don't make space news channels

[Anonymous No.12036380]

When will SN6 static fire? When will SN6 hop?

[Anonymous No.12036381]

>>12036379
wow you sound very mature and intelligent anon :)

[Anonymous No.12036384]

>>12036378
I feel like if I ever did a space flight channel it would turn into sarcastic jackass hour whenever I have to talk about the SLS.

[Anonymous No.12036386]

>>12036311
why is green fire so cool?

[Anonymous No.12036387]

Hey guys if we develop railguns that don't erode and can get muzzle velocities of >10 km/s would it make sense to use them as thrusters on space vehicles?

[Anonymous No.12036390]

>>12036196
Lockheed, the creator of the most expensive crew capsule ever and National Team collaborator?

[Anonymous No.12036393]

>>12036390
Lockheed; at least we're not Boing!

[Anonymous No.12036395]

>>12036390
He’s right. Lockheed takes advantage of the system, but has managed to remain innovative and competent, unlike Boeing.

[Anonymous No.12036398]

>>12036380
tomorrow and friday assuming no scrubs

[Anonymous No.12036399]

>>12036311
why it green?

[Anonymous No.12036400]

>>12036399
Jealousy.

[Anonymous No.12036402]

>>12036400
lmao

[Anonymous No.12036403]

How is Blue origin going? I'm genuinely hoping they succeed, competition is always good. And Bezo's vision of O'Neil cylinders is pretty cool.
Also hoping rocket labs scales up in the future.

[Anonymous No.12036425]

>>12036403
Unknown really, they have some parts seemingly near to ready, like the upper fairing, they have the engines pretty much already done, yet the rocket itself has failed to materialize completely. No fins, no wings, no thrust structures, no RCS, nothin'.
Bezo's visions of O'Neil cylinders are about as close to real as anyone else's right now, that is to say, not at all. He says he wants to use them for industry, but all the concept art he used looks like it's more like he wants them to become giant gated communities for himself and his friends, and judging on the pace of his rocket program, I'd say it's pretty much exclusively a PR thing to hoodwink investors into sinking more money into his projects, maybe they hope they'll get their very own orbital McMansion.

[Anonymous No.12036427]

>>12036403
Slow/steady, nothing gets done for another 5 years. Bezos can keep bankrolling for another 100 years tho.

[Anonymous No.12036428]

>>12036403
Imagine thinking that Space Amazon will be responsible and not create corporate hellhole space colonies where every action you take is tracked and you won't even be allowed to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.12036437]

>>12036428
The ultimate cagie, surrounded by vacuum so wagies can never, ever escape. At that point it really won't even need human workers, wagies will simply be fed into this space torture chamber to "live", work, and eventually die miserably simply for the amusement of Jeff Bezos.

[Anonymous No.12036443]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS.
I want to make my own rocket.
Just a small one I can launch 100m or so.
Do you think it would be fine to completely 3d print one? Should I make my own launch system or just but a rocket motor?

[Anonymous No.12036445]

>>12036443
buy*

[Anonymous No.12036448]

>>12036443
You can start by making some r-candy motors if you're fine with needing to carefully melt the mixture.

https://www.nakka-rocketry.net/sucrose.html

[Anonymous No.12036455]

>>12036443
Yes but make sure to use LH2 since it's more efficient.

[Anonymous No.12036466]

>>12034787
There's some more stuff I can do with the Mars symbol yeah

how about these

[Anonymous No.12036470]

>>12036466
I like the first better. What do the colors mean?

[Anonymous No.12036472]

stacc

[Anonymous No.12036473]

>>12036470
>>12036466
I assume they don't just mean black space and red mars.

[Anonymous No.12036476]

>>12036470
black space and red mars.

:V

[Anonymous No.12036479]

>>12036473
it's a reference to the German Empire

[Anonymous No.12036480]

>>12036470
>What do the colors mean?
Imperial Germarsny.

[Anonymous No.12036481]

Why was the Soviet Union so good at rocket shit despite being gommunist?

[Anonymous No.12036482]

>>12036472
not so fast

[Anonymous No.12036483]

>>12036481
the Tzarists invented rocketry and then the gommunists enslaved them

[Anonymous No.12036484]

>>12036481
sovies got the Nazi rockets, we got the men who built them

[Anonymous No.12036486]

>>12036481
Authoritarian communists are perfectly fine at rocketry. They're a bit inefficient, but they make up for that with indifference to civilian lives.

[Anonymous No.12036487]

>>12036481
Their rocket program was an offshoot of their weapons programs, and the Soviets took their weapons development very seriously (at least before they started getting bamboozled by Reagan).

[Anonymous No.12036488]

Industrial civilization is a depressing mess. How do you reconcile perpetuation of it to other worlds with ethics?

[Anonymous No.12036490]

>>12036488
the machine must grow

[Anonymous No.12036491]

>>12036486
Why does every post 2016 4chan meme has a basedboy wojak

[Anonymous No.12036492]

>>12036476
The idea of the arrow is cool but the broken symmetry triggers my autism.
>>12036481
There is no demonstration of the efficiency of the central planning of the economy, which doesn't mean you can't just throw resources at stuff until it works (if you have a lot of it).

[Anonymous No.12036493]

>>12036403
First stage pathfinder and test articles definitely are being built right now. A lot you don't see from the outside

[Anonymous No.12036494]

>>12036488
Do you have an actual alternative or just empty nihilism?

[Anonymous No.12036496]

>>12036488
>Industrial civilization is a depressing mess.
Yeah. Good thing we are postindustrial now.

[Anonymous No.12036497]

>>12036488
Lower your dependency on the system as much as possible and focus on pursuing fulfilling goals.

[Anonymous No.12036503]

>>12036491
because memes are a reflection of our perception of reality and the funko pop swilling pinko cucks of twitter and woke journalism are reflected with the soijack meme

[Anonymous No.12036505]

>>12036443
You probably could, but thin PVC pipe or aluminum pipe might be cheaper and faster to iterate with. If you still need to you can PROOOOONT nosecones and fins for them. You can easily find solid rocket motors online, but obviously you'd learn more about rocket engines in general by making your own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jygAOqcnYVs
You might try this dude's solid rocket simulator program to start investigating what you actually want to do before you start experimenting with real components that require time, money, etc.

[Anonymous No.12036507]

>>12036491
Conservative memes do because conservatives don't have actual thoughts, logic or understanding of any topics. They only know memes and buzzwords.

[Anonymous No.12036508]

>>12036472
>USA falls apart.
>Fully assembled, flown only once Starship is destroyed by VAB roof crushing it
.
Darkest timeline.

[Anonymous No.12036511]

>>12036507
wokies are not any better desu

[Anonymous No.12036516]

>>12036507
no, smoothbrains on both sides do that
smart people don't make political memes because it's too depressing

[Anonymous No.12036518]

>>12036508
I'm pretty firmly convinced Elon thinks the USA will fall apart like South Africa did

>>12036507
pic related

[Anonymous No.12036520]

>>12036508
Dammit, that was sad.

[Anonymous No.12036521]

>>12036490
I won't feel comfortable until humanity occupies more than one star system.

[Anonymous No.12036522]

>>12036508
it's not like Elon would stop working on it in Texas just because Californian cities were burning down

[Anonymous No.12036524]

Anyone know a source for the burn-rate coefficients for HTPB+N2O?

[Anonymous No.12036526]

>>12036516
geniuses embrace the honk

[Anonymous No.12036527]

Whats with the weird variations in diameter between the capsule and service module? Like how it mushrooms out then goes back to a narrower width than the base of the capsule. Shit looks retarded

[Anonymous No.12036528]

>>12036527
they keep changing the diameter of Orion in order to make sure that nobody but SLS can launch it

[Anonymous No.12036529]

>>12036518
He wants to become Cyberpunk warlord oligarch with power of government.

[Anonymous No.12036532]

>>12036527
good question

[Anonymous No.12036533]

>>12036527
Don't quote me on this but I think it's because Yurop was supposed to supply the service module and they just slammed an ATV rear end onto Orion
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Service_Module

[Anonymous No.12036534]

>>12036488
But how do you know? You were not alive in the medieval, classical, or any other human era. You literally don't know.

[Anonymous No.12036538]

>>12036533
lazy euros

[Anonymous No.12036539]

>>12036481
USA abandoned developing liquid engines after Saturn, while Soviets continued up until their end.
Merlin is first orbital engine developed in US since Shuttle and Saturn.

[Anonymous No.12036540]

>>12036455
>LH2
Do you want me to blow myself up, anon?

[Anonymous No.12036541]

>>12036533
>Don't quote me on this but I think it's because Yurop was supposed to supply the service module and they just slammed an ATV rear end onto Orion

[Anonymous No.12036542]

>>12036540
for science, please

[Anonymous No.12036543]

>>12036484
>sovies got the Nazi rockets
Is this true?
Because I know Murican's took home plenty of V2s and were the first to launch one to the outermost edges of the atmosphere and take pictures of the earth from space.
Soviets seemed to have done most of their work independently using the work of people like Tsiolkovsky.

[Anonymous No.12036544]

>>12036540
yes it would be funny, remember to live stream it

[Anonymous No.12036546]

>>12036539
>Merlin is first orbital engine developed in US since Shuttle and Saturn.
There was the RS-68 that was meant for the Shuttle replacement, but ended up on the Delta IV.

[Anonymous No.12036547]

>>12036543
they got a lot of the tech and documents that the engineers didn't bring with them, basically we got the minds, they got their stuff (most of it)

[Anonymous No.12036549]

>>12036543
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-1_(missile)

[Anonymous No.12036550]

>>12036542
>>12036544
I'm too smart to do that, I recognise my weaknesses and the gaps in my knowledge.

[Anonymous No.12036552]

>>12036466
I like the bottom flag and top flag

[Anonymous No.12036557]

>>12036494
>Do you have an actual alternative

Monke life

[Anonymous No.12036559]

>>12036550
But do you recognize this 9?

[Anonymous No.12036560]

>>12036490
Why? How does this make our lives better?

[Anonymous No.12036562]

>>12036549
>even though it was a copy, it was manufactured using Soviet industrial plants and gave the Soviets valuable experience which later enabled the USSR to construct its own much more capable rockets.

[Anonymous No.12036563]

>>12036488
By removing the Jews who make it miserable.

[Anonymous No.12036566]

>>12036560
dunno, my balls are telling me that it's important, and I can't see anything to override that (like I can with rape or murder)

[Anonymous No.12036565]

>>12036534
>But how do you know?

Hunter-gatherers actually still exist and can be studied.

[Anonymous No.12036571]

>>12036546
>RS-68
It's criminal that they pretty much designed the rocket to be unable to be arranged in closely packed clusters on purpose

[Anonymous No.12036574]

>>12036565
But you're not a hunter-gatherer

[Anonymous No.12036576]

>>12036571
why?

[Anonymous No.12036580]

>>12036576
Turns out that ablatively cooled nozzles don't like being close to each other due to the heat they're putting out causing neighboring ones to ablate much faster than normal (and also unevenly IIRC).

[Anonymous No.12036582]

>>12036574
Not regularly, no, but I’ve fucked around on my own in the woods for three months before.

[Anonymous No.12036585]

>>12036576
Why did they design it that way? I don't know.
Why can't RS-68 be clustered tightly? It doesn't use regenerative cooling for its nozzles, which means if you pack them together they can overheat each other. Also, those engines piss hydrogen during startup which gets lit off in a massive fireball during literally every launch attempt.

[Anonymous No.12036596]

>>12036580
>the heat they're putting out causing neighboring ones to ablate much faster than normal (and also unevenly IIRC)
Yup, they put hot spots onto each other.
Honestly, the fact they chose ablative nozzles baffles me. I get that they were tryingt o get simpler than RS-25's thousands of tiny brazed-tubes which form its nozzle, but come on, a spin formed nozzle with milled cooling channels solves the cost/complexity problem with all of the benefits of regenerative cooling maintained. It's what Merlin 1D uses, it's what most Soviet engines have used since forever, and it's what Raptor uses. Merlin 1D only costs a few hundred thousand dollars in total, so a milled channel spin formed nozzle can't be that hard.

[Anonymous No.12036598]

>>12036596
Aerojet Rocketdyne has been bleeding talent for decades. They peaked with the RS-25.

[Anonymous No.12036602]

>>12036596
>a spin formed nozzle with milled cooling channels solves the cost/complexity problem with all of the benefits of regenerative cooling maintained
True, but the resulting assembly would have higher dry mass than both tubes-regen and ablative cooling, and you know how much NASA loves to reduce dry mass.

[Anonymous No.12036611]

>>12036387
It's all about energy transfer, you need power to accelerator whatever you're using as fuel. By adding an extra step in that conversion from fuel to work (the railgun), you inherently put yourself at a disadvantage when it comes to effeciency.
Whatever power source you use would probably be put to better use directly powering an engine (eg. fusion powered railgun vs fusion rocket, nuclear reactor vs NERVA etc.)

[Anonymous No.12036618]

>>12036488
The technology progression curve is nearly vertical, we just don't realize it because of our short lifespans and how quickly we adapt. It has been less than 300 years since the start of the industrial revolution and we're making great progress in terms of how much we have to impact the environment around us. Ultimately this will enable us to have very little impact on any future planets we decide to inhabit that have other forms of life on them.

If there isn't any life on the other planets, who cares what we do with them? It's like destroying a single grain of sand, it means nothing.

[Anonymous No.12036625]

>>12036557
>>12036565
Ultimately technology will make everyone's life more fulfilling and you'll be able to live whatever life what you want, only it will be a simulation that feels as real as the world around you right now. If you want to be the tribe leader of a nomadic hunter and gatherer group, you'll be able to do it and it will be much more satisfying than actually living that way because you can edit all the bad parts out like being tortured and enslaved by rival groups or having your wife and kids killed in front of you. Reality has always been terrible and cruel but we're changing that. The worst thing we could possibly do is try to reset the clock and go back to living like cavemen.

[Anonymous No.12036626]

>>12036611
For single launches, sure, but the math flips for bulk launch of orbital freight. You need two fusion reactors (redundancy) and a mass driver to launch ten thousand multi ton payloads into orbit. Attaching drives directly you'd need ten thousand fusion reactors.

[Anonymous No.12036629]

>>12036618
>It has been less than 300 years since the start of the industrial revolution and we're making great progress in terms of how much we have to impact the environment around us.

Environmental impact has done literally nothing but get worse. You’re delusional.

> Ultimately this will enable us to have very little impact on any future planets we decide to inhabit that have other forms of life on them.

Life in “civilization” is antithetical to human mental health.

[Anonymous No.12036632]

>>12036629

[Anonymous No.12036638]

>>12036602
>the resulting assembly would have higher dry mass than both tubes-regen and ablative cooling
False, if anything the method SpaceX uses actually reduces mass over brazed-tube walls, and it certainly reduces mass compared to ablative walls, where you literally need to have a few centimeters of solid ablative composite on the inside of your nozzle jacket in order to survive the full duration burn.

[Anonymous No.12036641]

>>12036626
Are you referring to a surface mass driver or literally putting railguns on the back of your ship machine-gun-jetpack style? OFC surface mass drivers are going to be better than any first stage

[Anonymous No.12036644]

>>12036625
>yeah I know technology has only made life shitter so far but maybe in the future possibly technology that doesn’t exist yet and may never exist will let us live in fake bullshit fantasy worlds because the real world sucks so hard because of technology, and technology of this sophistication totally wont be abused to just turn us into slaves

Cope

[Anonymous No.12036646]

>>12036611
This is assuming we don't have fusion yet, ie near future solar-panel-powered shit

[Anonymous No.12036648]

>>12036387
>>12036611
Here's the real question.

How do we get something with acceptable tier Delta V that doesn't have a relatively low maximum speed (like chemical rockets) or comically low thrust (like ion thrusters)

It seems like NPP is the only way.

[Anonymous No.12036650]

>>12036629
>Environmental impact has done literally nothing but get worse
Wrong. The shift to computerizing things means with the sole exception of semiconductor manufacturing and the assorted mining, huge pieces of environment damaging activities just stop. Look at the pollution drops from less than a year of bulk telework.

[Anonymous No.12036653]

>>12036641
Surface mass driver launching inert payloads directly into Hohmann orbits like a Jules Verne cannon.

[Anonymous No.12036657]

>>12036644
>wahhh society bad
>I live in a society wahh
cope

[Anonymous No.12036658]

>Saturn V developed from scratch in 7 yrs using slide rules
>SLS Still in development
>mfw

[Anonymous No.12036659]

>>12036658
Saturn was designed to lift payloads. SLS was designed to lift employment.

[Anonymous No.12036660]

>>12036653
Oh yeah that'll totally happen

[Anonymous No.12036662]

>>12036658
Damn. The SLS development is so slow that they haven't finished making anon's reaction to it yet.

[Anonymous No.12036665]

>>12036641
machine-gun-jetpack style for the belt, please

[Anonymous No.12036667]

>>12036658
They should have gone with the sea dragon, low efficiency and massive scale. A perfect fit for a government project.

[Anonymous No.12036671]

>>12036650
>Look we reduced pollution and environmental destruction from apocalyptic to horrifying

Agriculture must go.

[Anonymous No.12036673]

>>12036629
We live in a society. Deal with it and endure like the rest of us or fade away into oblivion, those are your options

[Anonymous No.12036674]

>>12036662
WERNHER VON BRAUN BUILT THIS IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF RIVETS

[Anonymous No.12036681]

>>12036629
>Environmental impact has done literally nothing but get worse.
Most of that is because of increasing population that is now starting to drop of but we're shifting heavily to renewable resources and our environmental policies are literally better than they ever been which is the reason why no one is dumping toxic sludge in your back yard and you have clean water and relatively clean air.
>Life in “civilization” is antithetical to human mental health.
You say while on a computer. If you really believed what you said, you would be living in the woods right now and hunting animals instead shitposting here. All you anarcho primitivism LARPers are the same.

[Anonymous No.12036683]

>>12036674
I'm sorry, I'm not Von Braun.

[Anonymous No.12036684]

>>12036665
Yeah it's prolly not gonna happen, fission or fusion drives will be the norm. Or some crazy electric propulsion shit that hasn't been discovered

[Anonymous No.12036688]

>>12036671
>Look we reduced pollution and environmental destruction from apocalyptic to horrifying
That is nature's fault for being such a bitch in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12036689]

>>12036681
the actual anarchoprimitivist guys are off shitting in the woods and society just shoots them when they get in the way

[Anonymous No.12036690]

>>12036671
Surely you're not this retarded. If we removed agriculture, nearly all the animals on the planet would die off due to human hunting pressure.

[Anonymous No.12036696]

>>12036490
it must grow to meet the demands of the growing machine

[Anonymous No.12036701]

>>12036696
that's not the "why" that's the "how"

[Anonymous No.12036705]

>>12036684
>"Or some crazy electric propulsion shit that hasn't been discovered"
>new propulsion drive invented
>it runs on anger
>in the far future every trade ship has a spaceflight autist chained to the basement as he is shown endless news about how the SLS is delayed
>the anger of just one of them can send a ship from Earth to Mars in 2 weeks
>the SLS has been delayed for generations now
>total program cost has been lost to estimators but is suspected to be higher than Earth's total GDP
>extensive cites on Mars has been built
>monopole mining in the Belt
>life on Enceladus has been found and studied
>first man on Pluto
>all thanks to the Anger Dive and those angry nerds

[Anonymous No.12036709]

Just noticed that the Sea Dragon from "For All Mankind" has a red exhaust with grey smoke but the original project used hydrogen-oxygen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6YJ5oIcT4g

[Anonymous No.12036711]

>>12036705
add some twitter posts about how space travel and R&D is racist/sexist and we could rule the galaxy

[Anonymous No.12036718]

>>12036711
FTL relies on the transcendent anger of someone IN SPACE reading "space isn't real" posts.

[Anonymous No.12036720]

>>12036711
>ignition! 2
>it's just pages upon pages of discussion of the things that makes spaceflight nerds the most angry
>details about autistic teams of researchers developing increasingly toxic and angrier "fuels"

[Anonymous No.12036721]

>>12036689
Those people are exceedingly rare and most of them do it for a relatively short period of time and not the rest of their lives. It's a vacation way from modern life, not the alternative. If we look at indigenous groups with ample land and animal populations, they overwhelmingly choose to adopt a western lifestyle. Anarcho primitivism mostly just exists as a fantasy and no one actually wants to do it.

[Anonymous No.12036725]

>>12036720
>the collapse of the human empire came in 2458 AD, after the development of a new anger fuel caused the oppressed FTL rager class to revolt against Earth and drive the empire's fleet straight into the heart of sol
>historians believe this fuel, the existence of which was censored for thousands of years, to involve the defending of IASA (Imperial Air and Space Administration) and the redirection of funds to "gibs" on Ceres

[Anonymous No.12036726]

>>12036711
>>12036720
>bleeding edge anger propellant development
>researchers put a space flight nerd with a headset surgically attached to him into a room of a spaceship
>the headset plays "Whitey on the Moon" on loop
>researchers' reaction when the ship jumps to 70% light speed when they pressed play

[Anonymous No.12036728]

>>12036659
>SLS was designed to lift employment.
That's a really funny way to say it, made worse in that it is true.
Blame the US government for being nothing than a lobbyist meeting group.

>>12036662
Every technology SLS use are old technologies so they can keep the same factories (and job) going without having to invest and take risk.
Anyone who suggest change is shown the way out by the lobbyist who feel his job threatened.

I consider national space agency to be the only way to get useful things done, but the US have been such a failure, the EU can't compete, Russia can't afford change, China shouldn't bring change, India are too young...
...at least SpaceX will show that you can still achieve engineering breakthrough if you care to try new idea.

Shit, I'm ranting again.

[Anonymous No.12036733]

>>12036725
defunding**

>>12036721
There's no anprims where I live, and where I live the ground and water is so rich that the indians had an entire caste system and advanced society without doing agriculture first. If anprims were going to exist you'd think it would be here.

[Anonymous No.12036737]

>>12036490
based, I just wanna see what happens

[Anonymous No.12036741]

>>12036737
Same
I just hope it doesn't backfire and we end up in "I have no mouth and I must Scream" territory

[Anonymous No.12036752]

>>12036741
we are falling headfirst into this hell and there is nothing we can do to stop it
why not enjoy the ride?

[Anonymous No.12036754]

>>12036490
>>12036737
You are now manually reminded there's a Homeworld 3 game in production and this time they intend to have you fly around the Megascale (Hyperscale really) structure shown in HW2.

It will have to do because I've always wanted a game or story that play with megascale infrastructure and actually try to keep it coherent.

[Anonymous No.12036757]

>>12036752
because the end point of the ride might be a worse fate than our outright extinction beforehand?

[Anonymous No.12036761]

>>12036757
there's only one way to find out

[Anonymous No.12036778]

I wish someone would make a sea dragon, it is so fucking cool. Make it even bigger than starship.

[Anonymous No.12036804]

If Starship pans out and someone puts up a large space station in LEO, how much would a ticket to go there cost? Less than a million right? Maybe $100k?

[Anonymous No.12036813]

>>12036804
his idea is 200k to mars

[Anonymous No.12036815]

>>12036804
If Starship costs $2M per flight and has 100 passengers that's $20k each way to LEO and back.

[Anonymous No.12036831]

>>12036815
You could probably cram more people in, Earth to Earth style, if you're just using it as an LEO shuttle. You don't need a lot of space for a trip that should be less than 4 hours.

[Anonymous No.12036839]

>>12036490
This. We are agents of entropy. Heat death has to be accelerated. Better to burn out in a blast of intergalactic hyper advanced society than to fade away on a couple of hopelessly isolated rocks.

[Anonymous No.12036840]

>>12036831
>400 people
>$10k round trip
Yeah that starts being doable.

[Anonymous No.12036841]

>>12036831
But then you're basically just Virgin.

Earth to Earth use cases are cringe, you should at least get people to orbit.

[Anonymous No.12036846]

>>12036841
There's no real reason for a configuration difference between Earth to Earth and Earth to LEO modes. You can get away with airliner style seating in both scenarios.

[Anonymous No.12036853]

>>12036846
Yeah, but for only slightly more Delta V you can take people into orbit and let them chill in like a space mall or something, instead of just being in space for a few hours so you can say you've technically been in space.

Why not spend a little bit of extra money to get a much cooler experience?

[Anonymous No.12036862]

>>12036853
I don't understand what you're arguing. Reread my posts. I'm saying they can use the same "sardine can" seating arrangement for both E2E and E2LEO flights, so tickets to LEO shouldn't be significantly more expensive than point to point flights.

If your question is why you would ever do E2E rather than going to orbit, it's because not everyone who flies on Starship will be doing it purely for space tourism. You might just really need to be in Sydney an hour from now.

[Anonymous No.12036867]

>>12036709
Original used kerolox on stage 1 and hydrolox on stage 2

[Anonymous No.12036878]

>>12036490
The machine is god
I know this because I am a messenger. An angel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e--Oa7cm0EU

[Anonymous No.12036882]

>>12036862
I'm assuming for an earth to earth use case you'd need less Delta V, so you'd take some fuel out of the upper tanks and add in more people.

It could work out to a pretty significant difference given how much less delta V you need for a suborbital hop.

>If your question is why you would ever do E2E rather than going to orbit, it's because not everyone who flies on Starship will be doing it purely for space tourism. You might just really need to be in Sydney an hour from now.

Oh, I was assuming you were talking about like SpaceShipOne's business model.

I don't see point to point being that big of a market.

Yes, it's faster, but there's a huge amount of prep you need before a launch that just isn't there for an airline flight.

[Anonymous No.12036884]

>>12036839

[Anonymous No.12036889]

>>12036853
>instead of just being in space for a few hours
It's literally a few minutes with Virgin Galactic. The whole thing is a glorified amusement park ride that has been in development for well over a decade now.
>for only slightly more Delta V
Has anyone done the math? I imagine it would take a lot less Delta-v to do earth to earth because it's only suborbital.

[Anonymous No.12036898]

>>12036479
>>12036476
Your symbolism is weak

[Anonymous No.12036903]

>>12036898
i like chevrons

[Anonymous No.12036908]

>>12036898
That looks like an aerospike engine, so more generic space than Mars.

[Anonymous No.12036910]

>>12036311
How much harm would it do Elon to just throw a little bit of copper into his methane to create colored exhaust
>>12036327
Based
>>12036598
I mean for its time and purpose, the RS-25 was an absolute workhorse. If they had gone with a better propellant (such as methalox) I guarantee you the RS25 would have lasted into the modern day

[Anonymous No.12036914]

>>12036910
If they'd used methalox the Shuttle would have had internal fuel stores (maybe conformals like modern fighters), better thrust, and no orangetankbad, and so would still probably be around.

[Anonymous No.12036917]

>>12036853
>slightly less delta v
anon needs to buy ksp

[Anonymous No.12036970]

>>12036384
Good education system, a lot of talented physicists, science cult, heavy emphasis on industrialization, bureau system working well enough, German intellectual material and salvaged rockets propping their program, cold war necessity to build missiles and ICBM. The talk about inefficiency is unfair, the USSR basically had a scorched territory in 45 but bounced up really fast, the shit hit the fan when it collapsed and even now the Russians don't have the living standards of before and their space program is a mess.

[Anonymous No.12036992]

>>12036508

That image is cursed. It oozes sadness, depression, negative thoughts, defeatism and humiliation. Basicaly; Black Pill: The Image.

It angers me, it angers me a lot.

[Anonymous No.12037017]

>>12036992
what is it? looks like something out of chernobyl or fukushima

[Anonymous No.12037036]

>>12037017
It’s the soviet Buran shuttle. It was in many ways far superior to the US space shuttle. It flew to space one time, then they left it in a warehouse which collapsed on it and ruined it forever

[Anonymous No.12037041]

>>12037017
The warehouse that held one of the remaining Buran orbiters collapsed. That was the result.

[Anonymous No.12037050]

They are going another level right? Don't be a pussy

[Anonymous No.12037051]

>>12037050
Another level-and-a-half, yeah.

[Anonymous No.12037058]

>>12037050
Why does it look like CGI

[Anonymous No.12037059]

>>12037050
Here’s your hurricane-proof VAB bro

[Anonymous No.12037062]

>>12037058
Because it is. Boca Chica "spaceport" isn't real. Just a water tower factory.

[Anonymous No.12037101]

>>12036718
now that is a life goal-to respond to lat earthers while chilling on mars.

[Anonymous No.12037103]

>>12036560
the machine

MUST

GROW

[Anonymous No.12037136]

>>12036560
>How does this make our lives better?
I believe you've misunderstood the purpose of existence

[Anonymous No.12037147]

>>12036992
Kazakhs also sold Energia RD-170 engines to China as scrap metal.
And it pretty obvious that modern chinese engines like YF-100 is pretty much a copy of that desingh.

[Anonymous No.12037151]

>>12036488
I dont get people like you, unless you're literally under 18. If you hate society, leave. And if it just boils down to
>b-but that's haaaaard
Then kys

[Anonymous No.12037153]

WOOOSH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.12037163]

Ya gitz, wez can build one of dem rocketz wif sum grain syloz an sum N2O/Propayne Fuelblend engynz
Ar ya wif me?

[Anonymous No.12037165]

>>12037050
they should stop working on it now because a double whammy of systems is bearing down on them soon

[Anonymous No.12037171]

>Department of Commerce in charge of non-military space traffic management
>not the DoT

[Anonymous No.12037179]

Will the "Fetch Rover" for the Mars sample return mission be the first private sector foray into planetary robotics

[Anonymous No.12037180]

>>12037171
Were you expecting FAA style traffic control?

[Anonymous No.12037183]

>>12037180
Just an entity more capable of department interoperability

[Anonymous No.12037186]

>>12037059
If it blows over they‘ll just build a new one in a month.
How is that even surprising. Same goes for most American homes. Always baffles me seeing one of those plywood towns turned into nothing but toothpicks by a tornado.

[Anonymous No.12037211]

>>12037186
Merica strong

[Anonymous No.12037214]

>>12037186
I am utterly amazed people don't think the hundreds of engineers at SpaceX haven't considered how the structures would hold up to hurricanes. I am even more amazed people think the outskirts of a category 1 hurricane even less powerful then last one will do anything at all.

[Anonymous No.12037217]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfpfJA1HGY

[Anonymous No.12037218]

>>12037214
Space discussion is full of complete worry warts who think any minor inconvenience will turn into a nuclear bomb.

[Anonymous No.12037229]

>>12036681
>If you really believed what you said, you would be living in the woods right now and hunting animals instead shitposting here.

Or maybe there’s practical reasons this isn’t possible?

[Anonymous No.12037231]

>>12036721
>If we look at indigenous groups with ample land and animal populations, they overwhelmingly choose to adopt a western lifestyle.

Untrue. Remaining hunter-gatherers stick to it, and even if that were true, that wouldn’t mean civilization isn’t any less of an alienating nightmare

[Anonymous No.12037236]

>>12037136
Existence doesn’t have a purpose.

[Anonymous No.12037271]

>>12037186
Wood is cheap and most people will want to renovate/tear down anything older than 30 years or so. It's definitely not a great idea in a tornado zone, but those areas can't really afford increased housing costs.

[Anonymous No.12037280]

>>12037229
There are no relevant practical reason. You can buy acres of unincorporated land in the US and Canada for just six months worth of minimum wage located next to huge tracts of government land where no one will notice if someone is hunting illegally. You don't even have to buy land, just buy supplies and go into the woods. The only person stopping you from your living off the land in your anarcho primitivism LARP is yourself. Nearly everyone that has tried it either ends up killing themselves, either accidentally or intentionally, or they come back to civilization because the lifestyle is extremely tedious. You can bring a bunch of people with you and see the same results.
>>12037231
The remaining hunter gatherers are very few compared to all the ones that switched over. They're not hunter gatherers because they evaluated the two lifestyles and deemed one superior but because they're self-isolating and haven't had exposure to anything else. The tribes that have exposure very quickly start transitioning and within generations they see complete modernization.

Civilization isn't the nightmare, reality is the nightmare and civilization is the answer. With enough time and technological progress it grows into a dream where everyone can have what they want and be infinitely more fulfilled.

[Anonymous No.12037293]

>>12037280
>Sees depression and suicide rates climb over time, and birth rates lower to extinction levels
>MMM PROGRESS

[Anonymous No.12037317]

>>12037293
Why do you keep whining about society on an internet forum instead of going and shitting in a bush? You're connecting with people from around the world to complain about how disconnected you feel, but you blame the systems that allow you to do that

[Anonymous No.12037319]

>>12037293
>urr grug see red hot wood.
>grug scared
>friend of grug got burned by red wood.
>me no use red wood, dangerous
>dies by the cold in winter.

[Anonymous No.12037327]

There is no up or down in space.

Just let that sink in.

[Anonymous No.12037331]

>>12037327
I CAN‘T! IT WON‘T SINK IN SPACE!

[Anonymous No.12037332]

>>12037319
And yet, Grug lived a life free from the mental pathologies created by the industrial revolution, and happiness comparable to if not greater than the modern wageslave.

[Anonymous No.12037338]

>>12037293
You wouldn't have any time to be depressed if you were a hunter gatherer, you would be worried about some other tribe coming in, raping your caveman wife and killing you. Third world countries overwhelmingly report higher levels of happiness than first world countries yet you don't move to those places because you understand there is more to it than that alone.

Civilization means we undergo serve growing pains for a few hundred years but it doesn't mean our efforts are wasted. We have to go through this so that everyone in the future will be much better off and they will have the ability to choose what life they want to live. This is our burden and we're rewarded with greater comfort and longer lifespans. We have the luxury to sit here and talk about what life we want to have when most other animals do not.

[Anonymous No.12037339]

>>12037327
up and down can be whatever you want them to be in space

[Anonymous No.12037342]

>>12037332
Then go live in the woods if modern civilization is so bad. No one is stopping you.

[Anonymous No.12037343]

>>12037332
Go live in the woods, or kill yourself. Unironically stop being a wimpy faggot. At least Grug was man enough to go live by himself away from the fire and find warmth in a mammoth carcass.

[Anonymous No.12037348]

>>12037327
Technically right, but thats not how people think of space. We think of space in terms of relative motions of ships/stars/planetary bodies/etc. So there's always an up/down orientation in space for any geometric relations.

[Anonymous No.12037349]

>>12037332
So go live like Grug faggot nobody is stopping you. Grug was ignorant and ignorance is bliss. You can never return society to a preindustrial time because we know more is possible.

[Anonymous No.12037350]

>>12037327
but the enemy's gate is down

[Anonymous No.12037354]

>>12037350
The referenced scifi is overrated.

[Anonymous No.12037363]

>>12037332
Do you realize, what ever your name is, that your are contradicting yourself by using the internet?

This is one of those moments that you should stop and rethink your life choices.
Psychologist here and I'm getting a case of bipolar disorder.

[Anonymous No.12037367]

Anprim poster is probably just Space-is-fake poster. You guys are supposed to be bright enough to know the drill with shitposters like this.

[Anonymous No.12037374]

>>12037338
>You wouldn't have any time to be depressed if you were a hunter gatherer, you would be worried about some other tribe coming in, raping your caveman wife and killing you

Sounds badass. Grug want be warrior like ancestor.

> Third world countries overwhelmingly report higher levels of happiness than first world countries yet you don't move to those places because you understand there is more to it than that alone.

Or maybe they’re just too different of a culture, have a language barrier, and are also part of industrial civilization.

> We have to go through this so that everyone in the future will be much better off and they will have the ability to choose what life they want to live

Ah so we endure the alienation and shittiness of modern life because some imagined future person might maybe possibly be able to have a life that isn’t shit; presumably through dystopian genetic engineering and virtual reality technology which may be unfeasible. Sounds like big cope, and a concession that life in industrialized civilization isn’t really all that much better than caveman life.

[Anonymous No.12037378]

>>12037367
Anon everyone knows he's a shitposter. Some people just like to argue, it let's off steam.

[Anonymous No.12037382]

>>12037363
>Do you realize, what ever your name is, that your are contradicting yourself by using the internet?

Nope. I never took the position that it was immoral to use the Internet for all persons in all contexts.

[Anonymous No.12037385]

>>12037367
I bet 100 that it's a nigger who can't undestand computers, so he rebels.

[Anonymous No.12037387]

>>12037367
I was part of standard /sfg/ for months until I read “Industrial Society and it’s future” about a week ago.

[Anonymous No.12037395]

>>12037349
It may return itself, given sufficient disruption. The “more” that is possible is not actually as fulfilling and conductive to mental health as Grugging through life, but may seem tempting, similar to how children like to eat cookies and would eat cookies if they could all day.

[Anonymous No.12037414]

>>12037374
The reality of a warrior is that you either die a horrific death or grow old and be forced to make concessions against your rivals. We can go back and forth all night, the fact of the matter is that you deemed modern life to be more important than any fantasy you have about retreating into the woods and living as a hunter gatherer or else you wouldn't be on a computer right now. If you think a thousand years from now at this rate of technological progression that people will willingly chose to live as a caveman, I don't know what to tell you, but one day you're going to wake up from your teenage dream and basic bitch common feeling of alienation against a greater society.

[Anonymous No.12037415]

Thread reminder that anything not space related should be ignored and reported.

Unabomber fags have had their share of /sci/ bans and I proudly say that I reported countless on this board.

Any unabomber fag shall also be reminded that Theodore Kacynzky is creation of MKULTRA, by the CIA. So if your messiah was created by the government, just think if you are truly right.

[Anonymous No.12037417]

>>12037414
>Believing there will be people in a thousand years

I envy your optimism.

[Anonymous No.12037433]

What is Jeff Bezos waiting for regarding Blue Origins? A miracle? What a sad company, good thing we have SpaceX

[Anonymous No.12037438]

>>12037433
They’re building things, but keep it hidden for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.12037440]

>>12037438
That sad excuse of a moon lander sure is a "thing"

Somebody needs to focus on space resources already, the only way to ignite the fire of a space civilization.

[Anonymous No.12037447]

>>12037417
>Believing there will be people in a thousand years
It doesn't matter either way, we're a stepping stone for evolution and none of the animals that currently inhabit the earth will be the final stage of evolution. They will eventually undergo the same progression out of conservation of energy or die in the process. If we don't suffer this and create sentient AI, they will or at least some other form of life off planet.

[Anonymous No.12037449]

>>12037433
I think they want to avoid any possible bad perspectives by being as reserved with their presentations as they can.

[Anonymous No.12037450]

>>12037447
Dunno why you’d want to create some kind of demonic AI demiurge but whatever

[Anonymous No.12037453]

I am an-prim poster and I am sorry for rambling.

[Anonymous No.12037459]

>>12037440
>That sad excuse of a moon lander sure is a "thing"
I saw that thing in-person, it's a big lander. Although they wouldn't let me take photos of it, even though it was the same mock up in Bezos's presentation. Honestly, I don't get their level secrecy sometimes.

[Anonymous No.12037461]

>>12037459
In-person? How’d you manage that?

[Anonymous No.12037468]

>>12037450
That is just evolution, it has nothing to do with my personal desires, and if we stop technological advancement some other animal will surpass us and do the same thing. We either merge with AI or be content to be ruled over by it. If the latter hopefully they let us slip off into our own simulations.

[Anonymous No.12037475]

>>12037459
>it's a big lander
UUUU

In all seriousness, the secrecy really doesn't make sense. They see Spacex thriving on public attention and then do the opposite for their PR strategy. The weird thing is that Bezos has a personal history of being obsessed with space and furthering humanity's reach, but he's terrible about public engagement. You'd think he could hire someone to coordinate that for him.

[Anonymous No.12037476]

>>12037468
>and if we stop technological advancement some other animal will surpass us and do the same thing

Just kill anything that acts vaguely sapient.

[Anonymous No.12037478]

>>12037475
Bezos is a creepy vampire beast and probably swims in virgin blood or some shit. The turnover rate in Amazon warehouses is over 100%

[Anonymous No.12037481]

>>12037461
I ordered Amazon Prime Plus Prestige Premium.

[Anonymous No.12037485]

>>12037468
Not that many people will merge, but it'll create a lot of tension between them and the general population. Rather than mutual (or not-so-mutual) destruction, most of the symbionts will leave the solar system, with a handful sticking around to manage future development and usage of AI by humans.

[Anonymous No.12037491]

>>12037478
But he's a pragmatic creepy vampire beast who wants to go to space and get people excited about doing it. He's just bad at it and needs to hire somebody to run PR for Blue Origin.

[Anonymous No.12037497]

>>12037475
My only guess at it is that they saw how badly Virgin Galactic messed up after all of their PR stunts and the ridiculous claims that early SpaceX was making, and thought to themselves "we won't make that mistake". So they act incredibly reserved to maintain an image of professionalism. It might seem silly now, but there are no clubs dedicated to hating on it like what SpaceX has.

[Anonymous No.12037503]

Rate my upper stage, /sfg/.

[Anonymous No.12037505]

>>12037503
>Boosters hanging off the side.
Abominable. RUD yourself.

[Anonymous No.12037506]

>>12036815
100 passengers on Starship is a space hotel by itself, you could do cruises on that
1000 passengers on Starship is LEO cruise
at $2 million a pop that's $2k

[Anonymous No.12037507]

>>12036840
1000 people, airline style

[Anonymous No.12037508]

>>12037503
>Upper stage with boosters

Good god

[Anonymous No.12037509]

>>12037505
Those aren't boosters. Those are the upper stage engines. TWR requirements necessitated two Terriers, and that was the only way to attach them with the parts I have unlocked right now.

[Anonymous No.12037510]

>>12036878
the machine I'm talking about is the roots of the tree he's talking about

[Anonymous No.12037511]

>>12037497
>clubs dedicated to hating on it like what SpaceX has
And those communities are tiny, pathetic, and composed almost entirely of people who only hate the company because "billionaires bad," which means Bezos already doesn't give a shit about them because he's used to it.

[Anonymous No.12037516]

>>12036917
this
doing suborbital point to point is MORE expensive than orbital for destinations beyond a few thousand kilometers

[Anonymous No.12037525]

>>12037503
Get a couple of parts mods/procedural parts so you don't need to make ugly things.

[Anonymous No.12037527]

>>12037059
vertical assembly shed
>>12037218
that's due to the amount of minor inconveniences that turned into destroyed launchpads and burned out cars

[Anonymous No.12037530]

>>12037179
Nah, it'll be some $5 billion monster overdesigned by NASA to have a 1/100000 chance of failure but they'll overlook something stupid that will cause it to fail to gather every sample or end up taking ten times as long to do so as expected.

That's if SpaceX doesn't get boots on the ground first and manages to return 50,000 kg of samples (per Starship) from Mars to Earth in the mean time.

[Anonymous No.12037538]

>>12037338

Im glad to finally see someone with this perspective. Consider that anatomically modern humans have been hunter gatherers for perhaps 200,000 years, practicing agriculture for 5% of that, and engaged in something resembling a modern lifestyle for .1% of that time. Saying modern civilization is the wrong track is incredibly premature. Even in a worst case scenario with major setbacks, most people should be living off world in incredible abundance inside of 10,000 years, just a fraction of humanity's total existence. If you think in terms of life rather than just humans, to reject the promise of the very near future after billions of years of dog-eat-dog savagery is even more retarded.

Infant mortality and deaths from homicide and war is on the decline, life expectancy, economic output, calories per person and longevity is increasing. By every sensible metric this is the best time to be born yet.

[Anonymous No.12037539]

>>12037179
>tfw almost got a job in that mission but got turned down at the last moment

[Anonymous No.12037546]

>>12037538
>Muh GDP number big so it okay if people are more depressed than ever before and jump off bridges

[Anonymous No.12037553]

what will NASA do if SpaceX has boots on Mars before they even finish building the regolith return lander?

[Anonymous No.12037554]

Talking about anprim is big homosex. Talk about rally car racing on other planets, and how can it be made popular.

[Anonymous No.12037561]

>>12037218
>>12037527
>that's due to the amount of minor inconveniences that turned into destroyed launchpads and burned out cars
Even though rockets can carry kilotons of fuel, that doesn't make them comparable to a kiloton scale nuke if they RUD. For one thing the fuel needs to mix with oxidizer and burn, a process which takes seconds at the very least, meaning most of the energy is being released quite slowly compared to even a conventional explosive, let alone an atomic bomb which has most of its energy released in just a few hundred nanoseconds (tens of millions of times greater power output). For another thing, the starting volume of the fuel releasing energy in a launch vehicle RUD is tens of thousands of times larger than the volume inside which the energy of a nuclear bomb is being released, which means the peak pressures and temperatures experienced during the release are faaaar smaller. Basically even the worst/biggest chemical explosions of all time have never been as damaging as an energy-yield-equivalent nuclear bomb would be.

[Anonymous No.12037565]

Do we know if any missions got bumped from ULA's old rockets to Vulcan because of Boeing's Starliner OFT screw up?

[Anonymous No.12037570]

>>12037553
They'll probably abandon their original idea, and pay SpaceX to send one of their own to Mars to get the samples. Sure, there would be loads of bitching from the old guard, but in the end results matter.

[Anonymous No.12037576]

>>12037476
>Wow dude don't go making an AI god that's like so fucked up
>but uhh yeah we can play God and kill shit that is intelligent lol

[Anonymous No.12037577]

>>12037546

[Anonymous No.12037583]

>>12037565
Probably none given that the Starliner screwed up entirely on its own, and the Atlas still works fine.

[Anonymous No.12037584]

>>12037576
>What is self-preservation

[Anonymous No.12037589]

>>12037503
>side mount engines
god bless
typically I do drop tanks hanging off the side instead of engines hanging off the side, I've never needed two terriers of T/W ratio
>>12037561
yeah, it's not a sensible fear, but it feels sensible to those people

[Anonymous No.12037615]

>>12037589
>typically I do drop tanks hanging off the side instead of engines hanging off the side, I've never needed two terriers of T/W ratio
I'm recovering my boosters, so I need an upper stage TWR of at least 0.9 to reach orbit before the game deletes the booster because it's too deep into the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.12037619]

>>12037615
just yeet it to 120 km+ or so

[Anonymous No.12037623]

>>12037583
Don't they have a limited number of Russian engines for the Atlas and Delta, though?

[Anonymous No.12037632]

>>12037623
No clue, but the Delta doesn't use Russian engines.

[Anonymous No.12037639]

>>12037433
>>12037438
>>12037440
>>12037459
SLS is a big launcher, doesn't mean it's good. Just because a company makes things doesn't mean they're good, it just means they're better than the worst they could possibly be (literal scam).
Blue Origin effectively has all the money in the world and so far they've struggled to put together a relatively low-pressure oxygen rich staged combustion engine. SpaceX on the other hand has managed with a relatively shoestring budget to not only develop a full-flow staged combustion engine that by every metric is a world class machine, they've managed to put together an assembly process for that machine that means each Raptor only costs ~$2 million and dropping.
Having hardware doesn't really matter as much as how practical that hardware actually is. If BE-4 and Raptor had exactly the same metrics as they do in real life, but BE-4 was the one that cost ~$2 million, then BE-4 would be a more practical engine (though the insane performance of Raptor would still put it on close to even footing). As it stands however Raptor is fucking awesome AND affordable, which is a killer combo. If Blue Origin didn't have unlimited funding it's possible that they'd be forced to make smarter decisions based on economics and practicality, rather than following closer to old-space means and methods.

[Anonymous No.12037643]

>>12037584
>What is self-preservation
That's the inverse of self-preservation, you would objectively have a worse life than you have now in every relevant metric by forgoing technology.

Romanticizing hunter gatherers is the ultimate cope when most of them would choose our lifestyle over their own. Reality is tragic, life is fleeting but that won't always be the case. We have an obligation to figure out the sum of the universe and put an end to our own suffering. Billions of years of tearing each other apart tooth and nail will come to an end.

[Anonymous No.12037648]

>>12037546
Just don't jump off a bridge, lmao.

[Anonymous No.12037650]

>>12037395
Why can't you answer the basic question of why you have internet access right now if Grug life is so fulfilling?

[Anonymous No.12037657]

>>12037648
BREAKING NEWS: World Suicide Rate Drops To Zero After Man Discovers This One Little Trick

[Anonymous No.12037664]

>>12037615
I always just put the upper stage onto a suborbital path with a time to apoapsis of ~6 minutes, then switch back to my booster and do the landing things, then once that's done I switch back to upper stage about a minute from apoapsis and finish the burn. I find it works just peachy.

[Anonymous No.12037666]

>>12037623
Only Atlas uses the RD-180, Delta uses RS-68 engines which are an Aerojet product.

[Anonymous No.12037672]

What's the best way to have a viable biosphere inside a martian hive city without compromising functionality?
Having nature and shiet would be very desirable for a number of reasons but both parts need to be in harmony so they don't interfere with eachother

[Anonymous No.12037674]

>>12037657
Not committing suicide is a good way to not die from suicide desu

[Anonymous No.12037679]

>>12037648
>A bridge
Kek, he is going to resurrect the Ursus Spelaeus just to get torn apart by it. It's only natural, bro.

[Anonymous No.12037680]

>>12037657
People need to read Berserk and empathize with Guts
We're all strugglers in this hell world, and we need to keep struggling no matter how bad things get, even if the end is inevitable anyway, because the point of life is to never allow yourself to just roll over and die.
I'm not minimizing how shitty it is to be extremely depressed either, I'm saying that we should put more stock into the fact that we can all be infinitely stronger than our feelings.

[Anonymous No.12037681]

>>12037657
how do people even become depressed? It's such a foreign concept to me. Like I understand how something that happens can be "depressing" but how is everything suddenly bad and you can't lower your expectations to meet reality? Do depressed people just develop incorrectly or something? It's the same sort of thing as lack of self control or peer pressure, I can never understand how someone can't control their own actions like "raging" and hitting their desk or impulse spending. same with peer pressure, how can you do something you don't want to do just because others are? Like just don't do it

[Anonymous No.12037682]

>>12037650
He won't and he can't

[Anonymous No.12037683]

>>12037632
>>12037666
Oh, cool. Good to know.

[Anonymous No.12037692]

>>12037672
Just use machines to remove CO2 and replace oxygen, and have enough plants in greenhouses to grow the foodstuff you need to eat.
Trying to design a fully closed ecosystem that doesn't need any help is a complete fools errand, it's basically impossible and it doesn't really get you any advantages over the former option anyway.

[Anonymous No.12037695]

Imagine living a m*dern life when you could instead get your face eaten off by a bear at the ripe age of 17. You spaceflight nerds don't know what you are missing.

[Anonymous No.12037699]

>>12037679
based and AP pilled
If any anons are truly sick of industrial society and are suicidal, the only option you should choose is to go to India and live naked in the jungle until a tiger pounces on you from behind and drives its four inch canines through your spine.

[Anonymous No.12037701]

>>12037695
Im pretty sure at least SOME troglodyte cavemen actually had better lives than us. Imagine living somewhere a million years ago where the weather was nice, food was plentiful, predators were nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.12037706]

>>12037681
Depression and those other things you mentioned are literally brain-glitch diseases, either through wiring or chemistry or both. I'm pretty sure the root cause of most if not all mental disorders is the lack of the development of self awareness to the point of being comfortable with introspection.

[Anonymous No.12037714]

>>12037186
>yuropoor talking about tornadoes
>doesn't realize that if you built a house out of perfectly unbreakable stuff at 10x the cost, it would just lift up the whole building, or at least the roof if not attached securely, and then probably the rest of the building too, because fuck you
>now you have a big chunk of building flying around instead of a bunch of little bits
Have you seen what a tornado does to a steel-construction building like a WalMart? It just gets shredded. A tornado is a fucking flying blender.
Just be happy that tornadoes are almost exclusively in the middle bit of North America due to the topography and weather patterns.

[Anonymous No.12037717]

>>12037643
>you would objectively have a worse life than you have now in every relevant metric by forgoing technology

Doubtful if we think in terms of emotional states and life satisfaction instead of materialism.

> We have an obligation to figure out the sum of the universe and put an end to our own suffering.

Suffering is sometimes good for us, and pleasure is sometimes bad for us. You’ve degenerated into hedonism

[Anonymous No.12037721]

>>12037701
>ywn be a disabled neanderthal who lives a comfy cave life as others tend to your needs
That’s a true story btw. I guess if you lived in a cool area with california weather, you could go your whole life just having fun and drinking wine

[Anonymous No.12037722]

>>12037681
"Depression" generally refers to a deadening of emotion and motivation, not necessarily "I'm sad and things are terrible"
It's a consequence of the emotional and reward centers of the brain being messed up for any number of possible reasons.

[Anonymous No.12037723]

>>12037650
It is a vice I cling to, and also offers the ability to learn survival skills and connect to those of similar dispositions

[Anonymous No.12037724]

>>12037701
>Im pretty sure at least SOME troglodyte cavemen actually had better lives than us
Unless he became a king, and had a large harem, I doubt it.

>weather was nice
The weather has generally been the same then as it is now, and I don't want to live outside with the kind of weather I get here.

>food was plentiful
What food? Way back then none of the fruits and veggies we know today don't exist or are in the there wild forms (i.e. not plentiful and not very tasty). And most edible prey are skittish as hell, and you have to spend all day hunting just one.

>predators were nonexistent.
What are bears, tigers, wolves, coyotes, bobcats, and every other carnivore as large as a person or larger?

[Anonymous No.12037729]

>>12037683
What's amazing is the fact that rather than cut apart one of the RD-180 engines they bought in order to reverse engineer the oxygen resistant super-alloys used in the high pressure turbopumps and preburners which American scientists had written off as impossible, those involved were basically fine with never having in-house oxygen rich staged combustion engine options available simply because it would make it possibly for the RD-180 to be out-competed by a domestic option. Why's that a problem? Well, the only reason we decided to try to get that engine deal in the first place was to keep the engineers in those companies that built the RD-180 employed at those companies, instead of losing their jobs and potentially getting scooped into propulsion-engineer positions in countries such as China or North Korea.
Atlas V uses RD-180 engines because of politics; they could build a rocket with literally the SAME capabilities as Atlas V using any kerolox engine, it'd simply need to be a bit fatter if the engines were not as efficient/high TWR. Case in point, Falcon 9 uses engines that have shit performance compared to the RD-180, but because it uses 9 of them and has scaled up the propellant tanks it performs basically the same, and in fact does so for significantly less cost.

[Anonymous No.12037731]

>>12037701
>Im pretty sure at least SOME troglodyte cavemen actually had better lives than us

Most of them did according to the admittingly limited investigation into life satisfaction in “primitive” populations. They don’t get weird shit like eating disorders either.

[Anonymous No.12037732]

>>12037672
>>12037692
Just have a massive surplus of plants producing an assload of O2.

Pump more CO2 into the greenhouses to keep the planets growing.

[Anonymous No.12037734]

>>12037724
Well i’m glad i’m in modern times, then. Even the 1800’s would probably be a struggle for survival. Oh we have housing and medicine, sure! But this “tuberculosis“ is some sort of curse from the devil so it’ll most likely kill you

[Anonymous No.12037740]

>>12037724
We literally exterminated the animals that were truly dangerous to us before anyone wrote a goddamn thing.

[Anonymous No.12037744]

>>12037731
couldn't it be that the mentally fucked up / unhappy ones / ones with disorders died as opposed to surviving and lowering the overall unhappiness?

[Anonymous No.12037746]

>>12036466
Can you make the blue part black. I like the Black Red and white color scheme.

[Anonymous No.12037754]

>>12037701
>Imagine living somewhere a million years ago where the weather was nice, food was plentiful, predators were nonexistent.
And aaaaall your neighboring tribes wanted to take your safe, fertile, comfortable valley from you, and they were willing to kill you and your family with rocks and sharp sticks to do it.

[Anonymous No.12037757]

>>12037701
I'm honestly too drunk to figure out of you're making a joke or baiting us. Only recently have predators been nonexistent and barely that if you consider the humans ones. Resource abundance is the greatest thing us humans could have possibly asked for, otherwise I would easily murder you.
>>12037717
I'm not a hedonist at all, I forgo most pleasures because I want to converse my energy and limit how much I have to work. There is no objective way to look at the emotional states of those who are long since dead, we can only look at that those who are still alive and 99.9% of us choose a modern life despite having the option to live as a hunter gather.

[Anonymous No.12037758]

>>12037744
Most likely. Humanity was literally all about survival of the fittest in the dawn of man (and has been that way until relatively recently). Just imagine having fucked up eyesight back then. No glasses to cure it. Everything is blurry and as soon as you get attacked you are dead

[Anonymous No.12037763]

>>12037757
>of you're making a joke or baiting us.
I was being serious. Lots of cool answers though. I’ve changed my mind, living in cavemen conditions would break 99% of people alive today

[Anonymous No.12037764]

>>12037729
That's the whole reason the ISS is the ISS, is reachable from Baikonur, and has a Russian section, rather than being Space Station Freedom and being in a saner orbit to hit from Canaveral alone.

[Anonymous No.12037767]

>>12036311

Oh yes, space flight general.

One unabomber faggot and you people derailed.

A message to /sci/ mods: kill yourselves, you are embarrassments.

[Anonymous No.12037770]

>>12037763
>living in cavemen conditions would break 99% of people alive today
Probably more like 99.99999% given ancient vs. modern population sizes.

[Anonymous No.12037775]

>>12037767
Don’t go crying to the mods. The discussions always end up back on track. When it gets too out of hand the nozzleposters usually spam the board and reset everyone’s temper

[Anonymous No.12037784]

>>12037775
>nozzleposters
Whom?

[Anonymous No.12037786]

>>12037732
Until we have the ability to launch off of worlds with Mars gravity and less using purely atomic powered rockets that use simple propellants (ie water, CO2), every colony we have in space is going to have a large amount of its energy capacity devoted to producing chemical propellants, and if you're producing chemical propellants you have shit loads of oxygen leftover. This is because while making fuel and oxygen from basic materials is a purely stoichiometric process, rocket engines don't actually run stoichiometric, they always consume more fuel than oxygen (because funkily enough the decrease in molecular weight you get by running more of your lighter fuel chemicals into the main combustion chamber compared to oxygen actually increases the exhaust velocity of your engine more than the reduction in combustion temperature decreases the exhaust velocity; for hydrocarbons the peak efficiency is about 5% fuel rich and for hydrogen it's something like 15% fuel rich).
In pretty much any colonization scenario you can think of, we're gonna have absolute assloads of oxygen sitting around, waaay more than the human population of these places will need in order to breathe. One person doesn't even use a kilogram of oxygen in a day, and these propellant plants will be producing dozens of kilograms of surplus oxygen per hour. This means that you really don't need plants for air at all, you only are interested in plants for their food production.

[Anonymous No.12037788]

>>12037744
Potentially, but a selection pressure against those traits for millions of years would have made them negligible occurrences anyway. Most deaths in modern primitives are in youth due to disease or violence, but there’s a huge amount of cultural variance in how common deaths due to violence actually are due to the culture of the specific society, their relation to other populations, and the nature of local wildlife. Mbuti pygmies hit and fight eachother all the time but never kill eachother, but are preyed upon by the taller and more “civilized” Bantu to a degree reminiscent of Nazism or something.

[Anonymous No.12037789]

>>12037767
It's not derailment, it's a fundamental discussion about technology and if we should bother to go on to colonize other worlds. If you want to talk about Starship for the millionth time, no one is stopping you.

[Anonymous No.12037795]

>>12037758
The genetics that cause bad eyesight wouldn’t have been very prevalent for that exact reason, so it’s a bit of a self-correcting problem.

[Anonymous No.12037798]

>>12037615
>not using FMRS
Why even play ksp?

[Anonymous No.12037803]

>>12037764
Yup, political games. In fact it seems more and more like the least political space technology effort ever is actually SpaceX, which makes sense; their only goal is to enable economic expansion into space, and they do not give a fuck about collapsing the space agencies of every other nation on Earth if it means it'll make Mars and Moon colonization possible, russian-turned-chinese engineers be damned.

[Anonymous No.12037810]

>>12037784
aerospike niggas, and/or "how can nozzles be real if air pressure in a vacuum isn't real" niggas

[Anonymous No.12037811]

>>12037784
The people who spam photos of rocket engines everytime the thread breaks out into political fights.
>>12037795
Good point

[Anonymous No.12037816]

>>12037729
>Russian rocket engineers 2 microseconds after being jobless

[Anonymous No.12037821]

>>12037786
Also, steelmaking will produce a ton of oxygen.

[Anonymous No.12037825]

>>12037816
Apparently they stay for national pride hahah. I’m pretty sure the manufacturer of the soyuz rockets recently went bankrupt but roscosmos is still using them anyways

[Anonymous No.12037833]

>>12037798
>FMRS
OWO what's this?

[Anonymous No.12037841]

>>12037833
>OWO
GTFO spacewolf, we will never forgive you for what your kind did on Mercury.

[Anonymous No.12037842]

>>12037789
As the original an-prim anon, I think that technological advancement may eventually offer conditions conductive to human mental health, or....posthuman mental health, but as the world currently is, was in the recent past, and will be in the near future, we’d be better off as Unga Bunga. Technology per se isn’t the problem so much as the way most humans inevitably react and interact with it, like using morphine to fight debilitating pain, and many users of said morphine becoming addicts to the detriment of themselves and their compatriots, or the industrial system’s habit of dissolving traditional social groups like the family, religion, or ethnicity while also offering neat things like low infant mortality and artificial organs.
I want to keep Grug life and keep badass technology, and live in space like the Predator and travel to other star systems just to hunt shit with a spear

[Anonymous No.12037845]

>>12037825
>Apparently they stay for national pride hahah
Maybe we might see them band together to make a Russian SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12037852]

>an-prim people
>On a spaceflight sub topic
>On a science board
Gtfo losers lmao, Nobody gives a fuck about depressed people here, this thread is about launching big sticks into space

[Anonymous No.12037853]

>>12037842
Yeah We need to be Cautious about our use of technology. The technology isn't bad its just our mindset. But I think there are some paths better not taken like transhumanism or at least most aspects of it.

[Anonymous No.12037858]

>>12037833
A mod which allows you to jump back in time to different stage separations. Fly to a stable orbit, select a booster separation event from menu, land ur booster, recover vessel and it automatically takes you back to main mission. Ez monies savings

[Anonymous No.12037861]

>>12037692
>Not wanting biodomes in his cities to propagate Mars adapted ecosystem or even just help decorate the place
Faggot

[Anonymous No.12037863]

>>12037821
Yup, as will any metal refining really, and even most non-metals. Silicon, aluminum, magnesium, titanium, pretty much any element that CAN form a natural oxide will need to be refined FROM an oxide, just like on Earth. The only difference is that on Earth we use 'free' sources of reduced carbon to strip oxygen off of whatever we're refining, and we don't bother re-capturing that resulting CO2 to split back into carbon again.
It's possible that we'll end up doing a shitload of reduction-step refining using carbon monoxide instead of artificial coke, just cuz it's easier to manufacture CO and handle it since it's gaseous. In that process we would be stripping the oxygen away from minerals, then taking that resulting CO2 and splitting it to form oxygen by-product. If the loop is open (harvesting CO2 from the atmosphere, making CO, then venting the CO2 that is formed inside the smelter to atmosphere) it's essentially the exact same cycle but you're using a much bigger, much lower pressure CO2 storage tank (which has the advantage of not needing radiators).

[Anonymous No.12037868]

>>12037786
Food production and mental health. Having dedicated bright green open spaces helps offset the soulless tube life. It's why the Amazon Spheres exist.

[Anonymous No.12037872]

>>12037853
I don’t see anything wrong with transhumanism as long as it’s used to make humans more powerful and more intelligent and aggrandize us rather than turn us into soulless eloi rendered incapable of revolt against an upperclass of decadent cyborg vampires.

[Anonymous No.12037875]

>>12037868
Open spaces, greenery, water, and wildlife areas are crucial to idealizing human mental health. Living in little pods is some soul-crushing bugman shit but at least I could go check out badass Martian geology

[Anonymous No.12037880]

>>12037863
Note that in a near vacuum, working with superheated gases and molten metal would require way less energy because you lose almost no heat to conduction or convection.

[Anonymous No.12037881]

>>12037853
Transhumanism would allow us to fix all the neurological baggage that comes from being the product of half a billion years of neurological evolution (such as irrational aggression and fears), would let us collectively boost our IQs to over 9000 while maintaining a well-rounded, non autistic personality, plus revamp our biology so that we can do one-arm muscle ups all day without getting tired and other cool shit. Transhumanism is what will allow humanity to evolve into a species worthy of homesteading the stars, and the few that do choose to remain on Earth for a time will experience a true "hidden advancement" style of AP living, in which they are effectively a race of supremely wise, strong, immortal gods of the forest, who have no need for even the basic things like clothes or fire to survive and thrive comfortably, and yet will still have access to the highest of high technology in a way that has as close to zero impact on the natural world as possible (entire buried city-scale automated industrial complexes maintaining giant databases and supercomputers and shit which would be able to produce an entire interstellar ship by itself if given the command, and yet shows no sign of existing at the surface except for a small access elevator shaft).
Take the techno-primitive cyber-naturalist god pill, anons.

[Anonymous No.12037882]

>>12037875
Yeah i would spend most of my time in EVA suits radiation be damned i wanna see Martian mountains.

[Anonymous No.12037884]

>>12037881
>Humanity becomes the spoopy precursor species from a sci-fantasy setting

[Anonymous No.12037886]

>>12037881
>Irrational aggression and fears
Now pray do tell what you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12037887]

>>12037746
>Can you make the blue part black
is this a joke?

[Anonymous No.12037888]

>>12037858
Sounds sexy
>>12037861
I didn't say that. I meant that you can have all the pretty green spaces and indoor parks that you want, but you don't need to rely on them to survive. That would be a bit of a shitty situation to be in anyway, since you'd need about ten thousand square meters of greenspace to support the needs of even one person, and that's with boosted lighting via artificial means along with highly productive plants.

[Anonymous No.12037889]

>>12037881
I dislike the premise of making humans innately physically fit because it completely nullifies one of the primary reasons physical fitness is admired and worth pursuing; it takes effort.

[Anonymous No.12037893]

>>12037887
No I like the Black,red and white color scheme. Its more aesthetic for me

[Anonymous No.12037894]

>>12037889
Don't worry, there will always be weirdos hanging out in Gainz Station 13 reaching levels of fitness previously thought impossible.

[Anonymous No.12037899]

>>12037893
it's already black baka, its fucking #000000 black

[Anonymous No.12037904]

>>12037893
anon you have brain damage

[Anonymous No.12037905]

>>12037868
Again, I'm not saying green space bad, I'm saying that you won't need to rely on plants for oxygen any time soon. In fact the first inhabited structures that may need to rely on their on-board ecosystems to survive even some of the time will probably be deep-space rotating habitat ships, the kind that can contain fifty square kilometers of 'land' at optimum Earth-like conditions and which will be away from any outside resources, even asteroids, for perhaps years at a time (ie, a habitat+factory ship headed from the asteroid belt out to Uranus one-way to construct propellant manufacturing and materials smelting in-situ).

[Anonymous No.12037911]

>>12037893
There might be something wrong with your computer screen.

[Anonymous No.12037912]

>>12037881
For me it's megastructures

Why hide your advanced technology and unparalleled interstellar might when you can show it off to the universe and make our presence known.

[Anonymous No.12037916]

>>12037905
As far as I know, you can get tons of oxygen by breaking up water ice and recycle the oxygen indefinitely

[Anonymous No.12037917]

>>12037889
The more effort it takes, the less viable low grav habitats are.

[Anonymous No.12037918]

>>12037899
No I am not colorblind
>worries

[Anonymous No.12037919]

>>12037880
This is true, but the energy requirements involved with breaking all those chemical bonds is still going to be very large per kilogram of product. You're right though, working in vacuum can in theory help you crush a lot of your efficiency losses.

[Anonymous No.12037922]

>>12037912

[Anonymous No.12037925]

>>12037886
Ever hit your head on a cabinet door while washing dishes, and get really pissed off and want to hit the door? That's the kind of shit I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.12037929]

>>12037918

[Anonymous No.12037930]

>>12037925
Smells like trying to neuter human aggression so they’ll be perfect slaves for BEZOS 9000

[Anonymous No.12037934]

>>12037922

[Anonymous No.12037939]

>>12037934

[Anonymous No.12037940]

>>12037925
Eh I'd rather not change human behavior like that. Super strength is one things changing how humans think is another.

[Anonymous No.12037943]

>>12037912
Mostly the argument against revolves around the concern that an even more advanced big technodick species who are just as competitive, resource hungry, territorial, and expansionist as us might notice and sling some spooky relativistic weapons at us, or use their dyson swarm to turn their entire star into an ant-burner to cook our habitable planets into slag.

[Anonymous No.12037945]

>>12037939

[Anonymous No.12037947]

>>12037929
I admit I'm wrong please no bully!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.12037950]

>>12037947
You should still check your monitor though... or your're eyes

[Anonymous No.12037953]

>>12037950
I just think its the red desu.

[Anonymous No.12037956]

>>12037947
RIP Anon's eyes.

[Anonymous No.12037959]

>>12037953
>tfw you accidentally create an optical illusion

[Anonymous No.12037963]

>>12037945

[Anonymous No.12037967]

>>12037947
is your first language english?

[Anonymous No.12037968]

>>12037889
There would still be a huge gradient across different individuals when it came to fitness, we'd simply have muscles that were more efficient and stronger per cubic centimeter, plus tougher skin and connective tissue, better bones, joints and ligaments and tendons that didn't get damaged as easily yet also healed faster, etc.
The weakest person would be as strong and fit as the best athletes alive today, but the strongest person would be like Kratos from Dad of Boy. Oh, and in a future where humans are godlike beings colonizing the galaxy with only a few hundred thousand at most still living on Earth, choosing a lifestyle more animalistic than civilized (yet peaceful and with a focus on enjoying and being a part of natural beauty), I would imagine that people wouldn't really care that much how physically fit someone else happened to be. People probably wouldn't care much about other people at all, in that setting; everyone would be intelligent and empathetic enough to be able to get over any conflict before it even arose.

[Anonymous No.12037973]

>>12037943
Well they hate us cause the ain't us. If they cant build better shit then us and have to resort to world ending rays. I would send one last message "still better then you thats why you hating". It would make then seethe for generations

[Anonymous No.12037974]

>>12037963
>Gregorian chanting intensifies

[Anonymous No.12037976]

>>12037973
Uh hello? Yes, is this BASED department HQ?

[Anonymous No.12037980]

>>12037968
>only a few hundred thousand at most still living on Earth, choosing a lifestyle more animalistic than civilized (yet peaceful and with a focus on enjoying and being a part of natural beauty)

Peak humanity, secure and safe enough for some to return down to our very early primitive lifestyle...

[Anonymous No.12037981]

>>12037968
Conflict is badass. Grug kill other Grug with laser spear

[Anonymous No.12037982]

>>12037976
No this is Patrick

[Anonymous No.12037988]

>>12037973
i'd send one last message:
skill issues?

[Anonymous No.12037989]

>tfw you enter the ancient gate at the far end of the Oort cloud and don't know where the fuck you are

[Anonymous No.12037990]

>>12037912
Why not do both? You can build mega-structures pretty much anywhere, while natural worlds that can support the primitivist outdoor natural lifestyle are probably extremely rare, even if you include all the planets that would need major overhauls through terraforming efforts in order to get to that point. Seriously though, if one out of every 0.0001% of stars has a planet that can be terraformed into some kind of long-term-stable habitable environment, I don't think it'd be some great cost to only build Dyson swarms and Matrioshka brains around just the other 99.9999%.

[Anonymous No.12037996]

>>12037989
>tfw after 500 years you finally find an ancienter gate and enter it and still don't know where the fuck you are

[Anonymous No.12037999]

>>12037996
>tfw after a millennia of searching you find an even ancienter gate that's crumbling apart and you

[Anonymous No.12038003]

>>12037916
Sure, I know you can recycle chemicals forever. I'm saying that if you are a ship that is going into deep space with nothing but what you can carry, and you need to support human life on board, then in that scenario is may make the most sense to rely on an ecology for food AND air, as opposed to just food, because you won't have the guaranteed surplus of oxygen that having any kind of propellant plant manufacturing effort gets you. Even on rotating habitats with huge amounts of internal living and agricultural area, it would still make sense to have at least SOME mechanical means of managing the atmospheric gasses installed, because it would let you at least keep a finger on the dial in case something goes really bad (oops, some blight or something broke out and 90% of the plants died, guess 90% of us need to suicide now to save the other 10%, I'll go get the fair dice).

[Anonymous No.12038007]

>>12036399
Engine-rich combustion.
Copper liner in nozzle.

[Anonymous No.12038010]

>>12037554
>Talk about rally car racing on other planets, and how can it be made popular.
Lower gravity= less grip= more hectic skids

[Anonymous No.12038011]

>>12037999
get trips

[Anonymous No.12038014]

>>12037996
I would ask the anal plug ship whats going on.

[Anonymous No.12038015]

>>12036339
Fucking asshole, that's what you are.

[Anonymous No.12038018]

>>12038014
The plug takes several years to form one litter of pixels on your fluiscreen, you feel like it will take some time to finish

[Anonymous No.12038019]

>>12038003
>worrying about oxygen
>not phosphorous

[Anonymous No.12038020]

>>12038015

[Anonymous No.12038022]

>>12038019
What are these, cursed molecules?

[Anonymous No.12038025]

>>12038003
As crazy as this post is, I agree to it. The infamous Biosphere 2 experiment failed when some of the “scientists” were forced into venting in outside oxygen

[Anonymous No.12038026]

>>12037554
>>12038010
Low gravity monster truck racing would be incredibly orky. You could have massive gaps the drivers have to ramp over that require rocket assist.

[Anonymous No.12038027]

>>12037930
>>12037940
I'm not saying there's no danger to modifying people, far from it. I am saying however that there are definite improvements to be made, especially on the emotional awareness and control side of things. Becoming physical and intellectual demigods with access to gigantic amounts of resources and industrial capacity to do with what one will won't work out very well for anyone if people are still fundamentally a group of dumb aggressive chimp relatives. The ideal future post-human person would look at us today and think "They were extremely stupid, short sighted, reactionary, and downright evil most of the time, but I understand that they were not a product of their own will, and thus I can still respect them for what good things they did manage to accomplish in spite of their own nature", and then he would proceed to seek out his pair-bonded mate across two thousand kilometers in an epic journey and they would make beautiful passionate love on a forest floor covered in pine needles, and his dick would be a perfect fit for her pussy and her boobs would be exactly the right size and perkiness with nipples pointing at the right angles.

[Anonymous No.12038031]

https://tass.com/science/1192127
seems like everybody is working on methalox falcon 9 copies nowadays

[Anonymous No.12038033]

>>12038027
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.12038035]

>>12036754
holy shit YES

[Anonymous No.12038036]

>>12038027
I don't know man. Having aggression is not a bad thing per say. Being "reactionary"? What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.12038037]

>>12038007
Nope, that one is actually a small model of an SLS where the mock-RS-25 engines are burning oxygen and TEA-TEB

[Anonymous No.12038039]

>>12038027
I dunno man I just want to be covered in gorilla hair except for a bald spot on the chest purely to display abdominal muscles and pectorals

[Anonymous No.12038041]

>>12038022
>he doesn't use Yotsuba B on /sci/

[Anonymous No.12038043]

>>12038041
Tomorrow or bust

This popst brought to you by night-posters gang

[Anonymous No.12038044]

>>12037963
>using the same terrain texture for all of the rings
bruh

[Anonymous No.12038045]

>>12038036
The post-humans I'm imagining would be aggressive when it makes sense to be aggressive. They wouldn't be aggressive irrationally, or vent aggression on vulnerable or weak targets, ie there are no wife beater post-humans.

[Anonymous No.12038048]

>>12038045
Killing and eating your enemies is badass

[Anonymous No.12038053]

>>12038048
okay chimp

[Anonymous No.12038055]

>>12038045
Sure thats easy to say. I have reservations on about what you mean because you're being vague so I'm gonna have to say no thank you. That shit sounds gay.

[Anonymous No.12038056]

Elon Musk here (for real ;) )
This will be the new flag of Mars.
Yes I'm serious.

[Anonymous No.12038057]

>>12038045
ah so basically forcing humans to wire their brains the way they naturally are wired with prolonged and consistent meditation then

>reduced amygdala size
>greater functional connectivity of PFC/execute network to amygdala
>more "top-down" inhibitory control vs "bottom-up" reactive response

[Anonymous No.12038060]

>>12038048
Post-human demigods wouldn't have enemies, the closest thing to an enemy they'd need to deal with would be other factions of post-human demigods who lived in space and respectfully disagreed with the life choices of those techno-primitivists living on Earth but agreed to not interfere with them, since they have the entire rest of the cosmos to work and live in.

[Anonymous No.12038062]

>>12038053
Hell yeah. I want to fight other gigachads in an alien jungle and eat their brains to steal their memories

[Anonymous No.12038064]

>>12038057
executive* network

[Anonymous No.12038066]

>>12038060
Sounds like a boring ass world. Luckily, the desire for tribal conflict isn’t going anywhere

[Anonymous No.12038071]

>>12038055
>You don't know all the details specifically about what you imagine when you say "post-humans who are generally good could exist that would be better than modern humans in every way", therefore we should ban all human improvement research forever and jihad anyone who breaks this agreement
I don't know what you want from me, man.

[Anonymous No.12038076]

>>12038071
>>You don't know all the details specifically about what you imagine when you say "post-humans who are generally good could exist that would be better than modern humans in every way", therefore we should ban all human improvement research forever and jihad anyone who breaks this agreement

Yes.

[Anonymous No.12038081]

>>12038071
I dont want to ban all improvement. I'm just very weary about people who want to improve human behavior through changing their brain. They usually mean improving it for their own ideal on how they think humans ought to work.

[Anonymous No.12038094]

>>12038057
Sure, but you can also imagine adding entirely new structures to the brain, like a little node to each hemisphere that lets a person multiply two sixteen digit numbers about as easily as you right now can add four to eight in your head, or the ability to hold multiple parallel lines of thought, or even just better memory function (once we understand how memories are even encoded, of course).
The brain is a machine, sure it's super complicated but it is not unknowable, and once we know the natural mechanisms there's no reason to think we couldn't improve upon things. In the same way our bodies have a shitload of evolutionary holdover features that make no sense but don't offer enough of a disadvantage to be selected against, our brains must have weird pathways and glitches that break things or slow things down or make some operations hard while others are instantaneous, and it's possible that we could change that.

[Anonymous No.12038101]

>>12038071
>>12038081
I also find it offputting on people who want to take away suffering or the concept of it. Suffering to achieve greatness is a good thing. Buying greatness or being given it is not really greatness at all in my book. I want to get into space to get away from the modern concept of comfort. I think its poison and I dont want that concept to spread into space I want the frontier spirit and the concept of being and explorer and warrior to spread into the stars.

[Anonymous No.12038106]

>>12038094
>or the ability to hold multiple parallel lines of thought

What do you mean, you can't do that?

[Anonymous No.12038109]

Russia and China are spending a lot of money to turn America into another communist state. One of the most effective ways to do it is by infecting the most amount of people with a disease, which not only kills people, but causes fear, panic, and a dissolution of society.
That's why the anti-mask movement is so prevalent. (((They))) want you to get infected and spread the disease to your family, friends and loved ones. Doctors and experts know masks are effective; charlatans will tell you that they aren't. There's a reason doctors wear masks. And there's a reason that some media will tell you not to.

[Anonymous No.12038116]

>>12038101
This.

[Anonymous No.12038123]

>>12038109
>muh communism
Nah man It's jewish Neo-liberalism. Its not Russia thats promoting BLM. It's Coca-Cola
China sure to some extent
But Russia is more rightwing then not lol

[Anonymous No.12038131]

>>12038101
Absolutely THIS

[Anonymous No.12038145]

>>12038066
If it's boring you can just leave, Earth in this scenario is left to those who choose to live a purely primitive lifestyle, albeit with the personal benefits of high technology like genetic and neurological engineering. To even want to be there in the first place you'd need to be the kind of person who would like to live for thousands of years as a naked apelike creature that sleeps in trees or on the ground, and who's most 'unnatural' act for centuries may be that they collect and plant some seeds from a type of tree they like, or assist an animal stuck on a frozen lake, or whatever. If you want to go to space and play whatever kind of hyper-real VR games they have in the future you can, there'd be quintillions of times more people and living space out IN space than on Earth. There'd probably be entire full-scale, real life replicas of Earth out there too, so you don't even really need to say goodbye to Earth forever, you can just go live on Neo-Earth built on a support shell of orbital rings a few hundred kilometers above the surface of an iron-rich planet orbiting close tot he habitable zone of a different star, where the surface gravity on the shell is exactly Earthlike and all the physical features of the real Earth are perfectly replicated to an accuracy of a few centimeters, but instead of techno-primitive solitary people the place has cities and maglev trains and boardwalks and shit.

[Anonymous No.12038155]

>>12038106
Sure you can, kinda. Right now you can walk and talk, right? So your brain can already do at least a little bit of multi-threading, even if there's a lot of bleedover. All we need to do is improve things. It can't be impossible because we already have multi-core processors in computers, and while a computer is not a brain the two are at least analogous.

[Anonymous No.12038162]

>>12038145
Heading straight for the goddamn Eye of Terror

[Anonymous No.12038167]

>>12038101
>>12038116
>>12038131
Who said I want to take away suffering? Of course not. Those post-human demigods would still get tired, they'd still get hungry, hell they could still be killed if they got themselves into stupid situations. They'd still have shitty nights where they couldn't find a comfortable place to sleep. Why do you guys think that increasing the base level of physical strength or mental awareness or intellectual capacity somehow means nobody needs to work for anything anymore, and everyone can just have everything without even lifting a finger?

[Anonymous No.12038168]

>>12038145
idk I rather prefer the concept of Earth becoming sort of like Coruscant, as humanity expanded and grew, the population of our homeworld just kept expanding, its the core of human civilization to this day even with multiple thousand settled and colonized and terraformed star systems, Earth still holds appeal, and is home to both vast nature preserves and massive megacities

To me it's a better future for Earth than one in which it is forgotten or reduced in importance

[Anonymous No.12038173]

>>12038168

[Anonymous No.12038177]

>>12038168
Cities are genuinely hellish to inhabit

[Anonymous No.12038180]

>>12038177
Depends on their denizens

[Anonymous No.12038196]

>>12038167
There is more to it then that. Suffering is when you go through hell for the vision you believe in but you come through alive or not. but when you do go through it changes you outlook for the better in most cases. I seen people who dont go through real suffering and just have minor discomforts like that and more often then not they're almost sociopaths in how they view others and just become self absorbed consumers that exist only for today.

[Anonymous No.12038201]

>>12038173
>walking in the chinese megablock
>sinkhole opens up below me
>fall ~600 levels through the nog reserves, flat earther deposits and sjw fossil stratums
>mfw

[Anonymous No.12038205]

>>12038201
>Caught and eaten by the bioengineered giant spiders that live 1000 kilometers beneath the ground

[Anonymous No.12038207]

>>12038168
Earth in the scenario I'm talking about would be the opposite of forgotten; it would be revered as a sentimental jewel in the cosmos, the ancestral home of all humanity, and it would be stewarded and protected through the ages even as entire dead star systems thousands of lightyears away were being disassembled to build megastructures in Earth's image, and countless other forms.

[Anonymous No.12038208]

>>12038205
>having to swim through the radioactive rivers of hyper-sino-russian jizz

[Anonymous No.12038213]

>>12038177
This, covering Earth in cities is among the worst case scenarios for future development.

[Anonymous No.12038221]

>>12038056
>text on the flag
eeeeeew

[Anonymous No.12038229]

>>12038213
mercury would be a good place to cover in cities

[Anonymous No.12038230]

>>12038060
>Post-human demigods wouldn't have enemies

[Anonymous No.12038236]

>>12038229
There’s plenty of otherwise lifeless worlds which we can turn into a combination of biodomes and pseudo-urbanized areas.

[Anonymous No.12038238]

>>12038101
Literally anything but this. You're confusing suffering for discomfort. Suffering isn't a virtue, it's spending years with terminal cancer where you have no energy but to sit around and wait to die in extreme pain. This is the true human condition and it's up to us to remedy it. Anyone standing in the way either never experienced true suffering or they're a sadist.

[Anonymous No.12038242]

>>12038238
Suffering is a virtue and it’s up to us to accept it and endure it, thus becoming more powerful. Anyone standing in the way either never experienced true suffering or they're a hedonistic coward.

[Anonymous No.12038251]

>>12038238
>oh you're for people dying of cancer
Yeah how about no. If you're going to be a retard I'm not going to bother with you.

[Anonymous No.12038256]

>>12038242
T. a first world teenager that watched too much anime and has probably never gone a single day without eating and only hardship was the time his mother reduced his allowance money.

[Anonymous No.12038259]

>>12038256
T. someone with self projection.

[Anonymous No.12038262]

>>12038256
Cool projection

[Anonymous No.12038265]

>>12038251
The only retard here is you, you want to inflict pain and suffering onto others because you never felt any and you think it's the only way to provide meaning in your pathetic life. Go fuck yourself, you're every problem with humanity.
>>12038259
>>12038262
I spent years literally stealing to survive and I was homeless for long periods of time. You know what I learned from it? Fucking nothing. There's no virtue in suffering, ask the people who have actually done it and haven't had your cushy life where you think one hour of lifting weights in a gym is suffering.

[Anonymous No.12038266]

>>12038238
Have you ever heard of dysgenics?

[Anonymous No.12038267]

>>12038265
Kk hedonist
I’m gonna keep the ability to suffer and so will many others.

[Anonymous No.12038277]

>>12038265
No you're the retard. How the fuck do you know what I dealt with? I lived below the poverty line and was homeless
for some years with my parents scrounging to feed us. I saw my sister get molested and that fucked her up for life and the lesson I learned from all that is not to steal and spread a little bit of that around. I want to change this world for the better and im not going to fall for the whole just give people material possessions without any greater lessons. I want people to think in a more spiritual manner and to think of themselves not as individuals for pleasure but as a greater whole to strive something beyond what they alone can achieve. Fuck you asshole you dont tell me what I have been through.

[Anonymous No.12038278]

/sfg/ philosophy general

[Anonymous No.12038283]

We have to mine space resources, that is the fucking key to everything, yet everyone is focused on the moon?

[Anonymous No.12038288]

>>12038278
Because spaceflight is slow currently

[Anonymous No.12038291]

>>12038283
Moon got resources

[Anonymous No.12038292]

>>12038283
Hopping is fun

[Anonymous No.12038293]

>>12038266
It doesn't mean anything, we're able to manipulate genetics to the point where the test tube baby born with a silver spoon is infinitely superior than anyone with a natural birth and lifestyle.
>>12038267
You haven't suffered a day in your life. Without making things up, when have you suffered? You've never had cancer, you've never been grievously injured, never been to prison, never fought in a war. You think life is like a videogame where there is virtue in throwing yourself into needless combat. You think this way because you believe suffering invokes meaning when it doesn't, anything so that you don't have to face the reality of your first world lifestyle.
>>12038277
>Literally making things up.
LMAO. First you LARP as an anarcho primitivist, now you LARP as the child who was homeless. We are not taking about material possession, we're taking about if humans need needless suffering and they do not. You can "strive something beyond what they alone can achieve" without supporting torturing other people because your life is devoid of meaning. Unironically grow the fuck up, you absolute child.

[Anonymous No.12038296]

>>12038293
You’re talking to two different anons
>>12038277
Is not me, the actual an-prim

[Anonymous No.12038302]

>>12038293
>says I'm making things up
I can say the same of you. I dont think you were lying but how can you expect me to take you in a serious manner. I'm not an anarcho primitivist. I think such things are retarded.
I'm not the anarcho primitivist guy who wants to go around the Galaxy killing and eating people. This general is more then one person.
You should grow up. you're the one who is no better then the fat slobs who eat and watch marvel movies who helped in a way to put you in such situations. I dont want to torture people. Your mind jumped to that.

[Anonymous No.12038314]

propulsion good enough that we can stop giving a fuck about plane changes and have arctic spaceports when?

[Anonymous No.12038318]

>>12038314
>launchin stuff from urf

[Anonymous No.12038323]

bro wtf
since when is new zealand this far south

[Anonymous No.12038326]

>>12038323
shit

[Anonymous No.12038336]

>>12038323
>Constantinople
too soon dude

[Anonymous No.12038337]

>>12038302
> no better then the fat slobs who eat and watch marvel movies
I try to take care of my body because I witnessed true suffering and watched as people fell apart around me, unable to eat without help, unable to remember the names of those around them. I try to do what it takes to prevent that. There is no way to enforce your worldview without torturing others because almost no one world willing inflect true suffering on themselves. You don't either, which is why you're inside right now instead of out in the elements. Adversity is not suffering, you can easily face adversity if you want to but you wouldn't put yourself in a position where you would truly suffer.

[Anonymous No.12038345]

>>12037925
No? I like my cabinets.

[Anonymous No.12038371]

>>12038283
>>12038292
HOP

[Anonymous No.12038373]

>>12038337
Well You have no idea what my worldview is considering you think im anarcho-primitivst. If you think I have seen true suffering then I can say the same of you. I also do help those around me I'm willing to suffer more if its for my vision of the world. They can torture and kill me and I still will not ask for their mercy. Adversity is suffering its in the definition. I believe in your story but if you're not willing to think I suffered and came out with a viewpoint that isn't yours then we have nothing more to say. You think giving people all so they are needing not and wanting not will fix everything without dealing with those that made this system and changing the way people think to get out of this paradigm will fix the ills of humanity. My view is that that view while kind is incomplete and is bound to fall into the same traps we see today we need to have the mindset that we are willing and ready to suffer and die for our fellow man and nation to suffer so others dont have to. I want to help people through some of their suffering to lessen it and have them get through it alive. On the aspect of cancer I believe in Nationalized health care and we should cure it.

[Anonymous No.12038375]

FUCK BOING

AND

FUCK URF

[Anonymous No.12038384]

Scientifically and philosophically speaking, and taking all factors into consideration, which is the most ideal launch site?

[Anonymous No.12038386]

>>12038373
>>12038337
On the aspects of super powers like strength and intellect I think we should test someone's resolve if they want to earn such power. We dont want to make evil demigods.

[Anonymous No.12038388]

okay help a brainlet out
if you are launching to the south, can you reach all the same polar orbits you could by launching to the north by just timing launch 12 hours later or are there orbits that can only be reached launching a specific direction

[Anonymous No.12038398]

>>12038302
>I'm not the anarcho primitivist guy who wants to go around the Galaxy killing and eating people.

LMAO I love this characterization

[Anonymous No.12038399]

>>12038386
Morality is just opinion

[Anonymous No.12038402]

>>12038399
And thats the poison im talking about

[Anonymous No.12038415]

>>12038386
We should make as many evil demigods as possible

[Anonymous No.12038416]

>>12038402
Can’t handle facts lol
David Hume disproved moral realism centuries ago. It’s never coming back

[Anonymous No.12038420]

>>12038416
Look at were that deconstructionist mindset has brought us.

[Anonymous No.12038424]

>>12038420
Appeal to consequences fallacy

[Anonymous No.12038427]

>>12038424
Yeah sure too bad it's true.

[Anonymous No.12038429]

>>12038420
Closer than we've ever been to colonizing space, yeah

[Anonymous No.12038433]

>>12038429
I dont think the people that are making that happen are nihilist. In fact I think they want to get away from people like that.

[Anonymous No.12038438]

>>12038420
Quit whining that you're not adapted to the current social climate. This is like anaerobic bacteria complaining about the oxygen catastrophe.

[Anonymous No.12038439]

>>12038438
The current social climate is unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.12038440]

shut the fuck up retards

[Anonymous No.12038441]

>>12038438
Nah The current social climate is gay. and if you're okay about it that's says more about how you fallen.

[Anonymous No.12038443]

>>12038440
GIVE US SOME COOL SPACE CONCEPTS OR KSP SCREENS OTHER THEN THAT FUCK OFF WE"RE GOING TO PAGE 10

[Anonymous No.12038448]

>>12038439
>>12038441
Anaerobic bacteria complaining about the oxygen catastrophe

[Anonymous No.12038449]

>>12038433
>I dont think the people that are making that happen are nihilist.
Not everyone advocating for (or actually working to advance) spaceflight share the same or similar motives and philosophies.

[Anonymous No.12038450]

>>12038448
Enjoy that mass extinction that wipes out your kind

[Anonymous No.12038452]

>>12038450
Humans are adaptable enough that a decent portion of them will successfully navigate any form of social destabilization. Gen X and millenials got sucker-punched by the internet but for the zoomers it's like water to a fish.

[Anonymous No.12038455]

>>12038452
>hasn't seen the state of zoomers today
Oh lord all they care about is tiktok and twerking.

[Anonymous No.12038456]

>>12038455
I don't have any boomer wojaks to mock you with, so you'll need to use your imagination

[Anonymous No.12038458]

>>12038456
>this butthurt over the truth
No amount of boomer memes will say otherwise

[Anonymous No.12038460]

>>12038452
Zoomers are fucked in the head. Social media ruined everything

[Anonymous No.12038464]

>>12038460
Every generation throughout history has thought the youngsters were fucked in the head

[Anonymous No.12038467]

>>12038464
They didn't have social media. Every generation with social media got more and more issues.
To discount this is to discount the fact that Social media was designed from the ground up to mind hack you.

[Anonymous No.12038468]

>>12038464
Yeah except we can now measure that the youngest generations are more depressed, more suicidal, and more likely to be Incels.

[Anonymous No.12038481]

>>12038388
Polar orbit eventually covers the whole planet so yeah.

[Anonymous No.12038484]

>>12038467
More and more zoomers are avoiding excessive social media use (or shunning it altogether) and using the internet with intent rather than passivity. Using the internet vs. being used by it.
>>12038468
Hardship is inherent to large-scale change.

[Anonymous No.12038522]

>>12037717
>>you would objectively have a worse life than you have now in every relevant metric by forgoing technology
>
>Doubtful if we think in terms of emotional states and life satisfaction instead of materialism.
You would be living under the heel of those who do not forgo technology.

You do not have a choice, you must compete.

[Anonymous No.12038533]

>>12038522
Yeah you must have technology and think in a more spiritual manner to stave off those with a materialistic world view

[Anonymous No.12038550]

Could North Korea build a Starship if Kim Jong Un demanded it? Obviously they couldn't build anything approaching a Raptor, but that just means shittier performance, right?

[Anonymous No.12038553]

>>12038522
>You would be living under the heel of those who do not forgo technology.

Grug kill seed sower Chief with spear

[Anonymous No.12038555]

waterfall configs enabling RCS plumes that aren't huge fucking clouds when?

[Anonymous No.12038560]

>>12036348
MCRN will police you filthy subhuman belters

[Anonymous No.12038561]

>>12038555

[Anonymous No.12038563]

>>12036386
because you're a faggot, blue is for high exhaust temperature chads

[Anonymous No.12038572]

>>12038563
raptor exhaust is purple at night, it's only blue during the day
night launches are going to be fucking wild

[Anonymous No.12038579]

>>12038572
synthwave rocket launch when

[Anonymous No.12038584]

>>12038561
>>12038555
RCS plumes like pic related WHEN

[Anonymous No.12038587]

>>12038579
fucking soon
giant chrome rockets launching off of semitropical beaches with purple exhaust while tourists watch from powerboats

[Anonymous No.12038590]

MOL WHEN

[Anonymous No.12038599]

>>12038590
Thats another timeline anon. The one where we cared about space flight for more then political brownie points.

[Anonymous No.12038610]

>>12038590
>>12038599
Then imagine THIS as your follow up. What would come after the dyna-sour?

[Anonymous No.12038611]

lagrange points hurt my brain bros

[Anonymous No.12038613]

heres ur space suit bro

[Anonymous No.12038616]

>>12038610
A lockheed methalox two stage to orbit vehicle

[Anonymous No.12038622]

>>12037889
Are you saying we should prevent progress just to satisfy some irrational love for effort?
Unless you suppress intelligence and push for obscurantism everyone will know you are keeping everyone down for your amusement.

Plus you lack imagination. Physical fitness change depending of environment, it's among the reason human evolved with different skin color.
If you truly care for physical fitness you would do everything to know and quantify the parameter that define it.

[Anonymous No.12038629]

redpill me on using the same propellant for your RCS and main thruster

[Anonymous No.12038636]

>>12038622
>Muh rationality

Enjoying life is more important than being le epic logic wizard

[Anonymous No.12038640]

>>12038629
making a pump-fed RCS thruster that's responsive is almost impossible, but if you find a way to do it (HP reservoirs that are charged from the (LP) main tanks occasionally? electric pump-fed?) then you're still left with the issue of igniting it reliably
it's a massive pain in the dick but if you've literally just halved the number of fluids on your rocket that's a big thing

[Anonymous No.12038642]

bro wtf is the red thing supposed to be

[Anonymous No.12038645]

>>12038642
For urf ships

[Anonymous No.12038651]

>>12038642
Or some kind of thruster to keep the rocket stable during ascent.

[Anonymous No.12038655]

>>12038642
tank for secondary injection thrust vectoring

http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/India/PSLV/Gallery/PSLV_SITVC.htm

[Anonymous No.12038657]

>>12038655
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.12038663]

>>12038106
I believe he mean it as "talk to several person simultaneously on different topic"

>>12038636
>implying le epic logic wizard don't enjoy life more than you

[Anonymous No.12038665]

>>12038655
based

[Anonymous No.12038668]

WHERE THE FUCK IS STARSHIP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANNA SEE IT FUCKING F L Y

[Anonymous No.12038670]

>>12038668
Starship will never fly beyond a bunch of failed 20km hops, followed by the project being canceled in favor of refining F9 further

[Anonymous No.12038671]

>>12037845
Yeah, until some ex-KGB cunt comes around and plunder the fuck out of it.

[Anonymous No.12038672]

>>12038670
okay but WHERES THE FUCKING HOOOOOPPPPSSS

[Anonymous No.12038676]

>>12038670
t. thunderf00t

[Anonymous No.12038677]

>>12038672
When SN6 is ready, static fire is soon. There's storms coming into the gulf that might delay things though.

[Anonymous No.12038679]

>>12038672
Static fire is maybe today and hop is maybe the 28th

[Anonymous No.12038680]

HOP
HOP
HOP
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

[Anonymous No.12038683]

>>12038587
based timeline

[Anonymous No.12038685]

labpadre got a thermal cam so now we'll have a much better idea of what's going on with fuel load levels and timing

[Anonymous No.12038690]

If all space travel since Sputnik 1 was a 21cm line, roughly 4 times the distance from Sputnik to Apollo 11 has passed since 1969 and no human has left the sphere of influence of Earth even for a Mars flyby!

[Anonymous No.12038693]

>>12038384
>nothing on east coast of Straya
wtf m8s

[Anonymous No.12038699]

>>12038685
damn that's sexy as fuck

[Anonymous No.12038702]

>>12038670
>muh it worked for Falcon9 so it mean it will work with everything

[Anonymous No.12038716]

>>12037163
oi ya grot, were's the dakka on dat landa'?

[Anonymous No.12038777]

>>12038690
There's less reason to send a human crew on a fly-by than a landing.

[Anonymous No.12038798]

>>12036337
Yeah I read somewhere that the problems look insurmountable from an engineering perspective, atmospheric heating being the other big one apart from release shock

[Anonymous No.12038804]

>>12038670
Even if Starship reentry doesn't work they are effectively prototyping Superheavy, which they could as a last ditch just stick an expendable Raptor powered upper stage on (potentially trying to bring back just the engines from that as a fall back) and they would still likely be drastically cheaper than competitors and better than Falcon 9. And a Raptor powered Falcon 9 would be quite something on its own. However you look at it oldspace are knackered

[Anonymous No.12038819]

>>12038690
>Mars flyby!
Two years in space and all you do is wave as you pass by? Really?

[Anonymous No.12038885]

>>12037236
Kill yourself already you fucking nihilist scum.
We are meant to colonize our planet, we are meant to colonize space!
Think about it isn't this the most beautiful thing in life? Turning something lifeless something dull into something human made, alive! Humanity MUST spread!

[Anonymous No.12038896]

>>12038885
You are delusional.

[Anonymous No.12038904]

>>12037433
Is it the difference between the top dude just throwing money at the problem for others to make his grand vision into reality vs being directly involved in technical decisions and working together with everyone towards the end goal? Basically SLS private edition aka jobs program where no one doing actual work is interested in ever finishing it vs you either keep up with the boss or get left behind?

[Anonymous No.12039043]

>>12038229
>>12038236
>forgetting about venus
venus has the gravity to hold down an atmosphere, you just have to freeze most of what's there with orbital sunshades and then pave over it, instant planetwide city.

[Anonymous No.12039051]

>>12039043
no, i'd rather have venus and mars be replicas of earth and turn mercury into a city planet

[Anonymous No.12039058]

>>12038804
this
Starship would be so much better with an upper stage
you wouldn't need to tons of refueling trips for every fucking mission

[Anonymous No.12039063]

>>12039051
you're already gonna have to do what i just described to venus to bring it closer to earth, why the fuck would you, after covering a planet in perfect building area for a city, expend a bunch of resources making a shitty copy of earth?

[Anonymous No.12039068]

>>12039063
because i don't want shitty fucking cities, i want mostly wilderness and countryside with a few cities maybe, like 19th century america

[Anonymous No.12039078]

>>12039063
because there is absolutely no gain in just building a shitton of houses inside an earth-sized gravity well without a good reason to do so
like all those o neill cylinder fags who think the mere existence of empty space is a good reason to just build a house there.
if you want to terraform a planet you absolutely want to have a functioning ecosystem, so while sequesting the Co2 into the ground is a necessary first step, you won't get much out of it if you stop there

[Anonymous No.12039079]

>>12039068
it's a good thing you're never gonna be in charge, because that's retarded. go make your own mckendree cylinder and fill it with whatever you want but a planet isnt your personal disneyland

[Anonymous No.12039081]

>>12039078
>if you want to terraform a planet you absolutely want to have a functioning ecosystem
show your working

[Anonymous No.12039090]

>>12039079
so you just want every planet to be nothing but endless cities? retard

[Anonymous No.12039151]

>>12038563
>blue is for high exhaust temperature chads
Most blue fire is just as hot as yellow fire, the only reason for the color difference is that in yellow fire there's carbon vapor which is glowing thermally, and in blue fire you're seeing the specific wavelengths of light emitted when carbon monoxide reacts with oxygen to form carbon dioxide.

[Anonymous No.12039156]

>>12038663
>I believe he mean it as "talk to several person simultaneously on different topic"
Yeah, like being able to solve two totally different complex equations in your head at the same time, not flipping back and forth between the two but actual parallel processing.

[Anonymous No.12039163]

>>12038885
We can do that with the other quadrillion planets in the milky way galaxy and leave Earth completely alone and not notice the difference.

[Anonymous No.12039167]

>>12039043
Please learn about what a phraetic explosion is, and consider the fact that there's physically no way to prevent the decay heat from radioactive nuclei inside Venus from warming up all that frozen CO2 unless you keep the surface of Venus as cold as you can get it.

[Anonymous No.12039206]

>>12038670
t.

[Anonymous No.12039233]

>>12038670
Wasn't it supposed to not be able lift off in the first place? But then it did

[Anonymous No.12039282]

>>12039167
turn that carbon into something solid or get it off the planet.
there is no real alternative

[Anonymous No.12039315]

>>12039282
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12039324]

tanegashima becoming largest spaceport in the world when?

[Anonymous No.12039344]

>>12039324
After Hadden builds the second Cosmos port.

[Anonymous No.12039366]

I'm tired of waiting for the 20jm hop?

[Anonymous No.12039369]

SpaceX welding anon, come back to us

[Anonymous No.12039374]

is perservereerence there yet bros
how about boopiecolumbus

[Anonymous No.12039382]

>>12039374
>perseverance
is expected to land on Mars on 18 February 2021

[Anonymous No.12039388]

>>12039374
So tell us some more about bippy Columbo.

[Anonymous No.12039391]

>>12039388
he'll get there any decade now!

[Anonymous No.12039405]

why the fuck is my performance so much better in RSS than GPP
I'm getting like a full 30-40fps on launches now instead of normal 9-15, and even turning on atmospheric trajectories mod that would crash me to like 8fps has basically no impact on performance now
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.12039414]

>>12039405
The ways of the Unity engine are strange and unknown to many a man

[Anonymous No.12039416]

>>12039405
take the toasty emissivespill

[Anonymous No.12039429]

>>12039405
Mods stacked up in a different order? idk dude

[Anonymous No.12039444]

>>12039388
It's gonna end up being one hot bepis.

[Anonymous No.12039449]

>>12039444
checked

[Anonymous No.12039451]

Wow just exploded, again

[Anonymous No.12039454]

>>12039451
What? Where?

[Anonymous No.12039457]

>>12039451
no u

[Anonymous No.12039471]

>>12039451
Stop blogging your KSP.

[Anonymous No.12039497]

rate the bluedog industry mod

[Anonymous No.12039498]

Spaceflight explained made another video, this time on shielding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FrBEuAMHzw

[Anonymous No.12039530]

>>12038676
>>12039206
I wasnt paying attention to rocket stuff years back, what did thunderfoot say exactly? That Falcons will never work or something?

[Anonymous No.12039536]

>>12039530
Basically that reusable rockets aren't economically any more viable compared to expendable ones and so Falcons are basically a scammy meme.
He's a remoaner so of course he's economically illiterate.

[Anonymous No.12039543]

>>12039530
At one point he was like "rocket engines are hard to reuse because they get beat up during flight" and for his evidence he showed pictures of the busted ass-end of a Falcon 9 Booster that literally landed in the water, didn't explode, and was craned out and tugged into port laying on its side covered in tarps and shit (ie, very clearly not a nominal recovery).

[Anonymous No.12039544]

>>12038676
This guy is just a prank, right?

[Anonymous No.12039548]

>>12039536
>>12039543

I genuinely cant comprehend how someone can think something that is recyclable is less economically viable than something that's not recyclable. It's not even something you need to be an economist to understand, it's like kindergarten level logic.

[Anonymous No.12039554]

>>12039544
He's unironic.
He's actually a fossil species leftover from the most fedora-tipping era the internet ever went through.

[Anonymous No.12039562]

>>12039548
Well, there are some plastics, especially colored ones or special use ones where it's legitimately more expensive to recycle them than to simply make fresh, but obviously rockets are not plastics. I think the real reason is that Brainletf00t had already latched onto the claim that Elon Musk is a scam artist, so he felt obligated to try argue that every one of his projects is a scam, including the Falcon rockets.

[Anonymous No.12039569]

Elon makes Teslas play snake jazz and ploynesian elevator music. Since he doesn't like the mandated low speed warning sounds EVs have to make.

I want to see him do something similar with space flight. Like a starlink launch that deploys satellites to spell his name in a pattern of reflecting dots. So his name is visible across the north west hemisphere sky.

[Anonymous No.12039578]

>>12039562
Sometimes I get annoyed when Musk constantly says "we need to make rockets reusable because it would be ridiculous if you threw out a plane after one use", but then I realize there are people that are literally dumb enough to not understand this up front.

[Anonymous No.12039579]

JAXA actually building cool shit instead of baby SLS when?

[Anonymous No.12039581]

What's the difference between SN5 and SN6 from the design / mechanical point of view?
Does it already have the new steel alloy?

[Anonymous No.12039584]

>>12039498
Does anyone watch the angry astronaut. He's pretty good?

[Anonymous No.12039589]

>>12039548
I think part of it is that he's basing his assumption on the fact that the Shuttle failed to be economically reusable. i.e. "If NASA can't do it, then why should we expect a small private company to do it?".

[Anonymous No.12039602]

Reminder that SpaceX wouldn't have survived until a working Falcon9 without subsidies.

[Anonymous No.12039603]

>>12039589
Embarrassing

[Anonymous No.12039607]

>>12039581
No major improvements pretty much SN5 vol2

[Anonymous No.12039626]

>>12039602
I don't think that is in dispute. IIRC even Elon confessed this.

[Anonymous No.12039631]

>>12039602
Yes and? NASA and SpaceX have a long, mutually beneficial relationship, just like any other contractor.

[Anonymous No.12039633]

New bread
'>>12039629
>>12039629
>>12039629
>>12039629

[Anonymous No.12039636]

>>12039589
that giant faggot should simply stfu

[Anonymous No.12039709]

>>12039562
to be fair, thunderf00t is probably right about the hyperloop meme

[Anonymous No.12039772]

>>12039569
That would certainly buttfrustrate some midwit amateur """astronomers""".

[Anonymous No.12039804]

>>12039569
He should make it so it's just some minor flashes to naked eye but shows his name properly on long exposure shots for maximum "astronomers" seethe

[Anonymous No.12039871]

>>12038610
The asteroid?

[Anonymous No.12040012]

>>12039871
кeк