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12009253 No.12009253 [Reply] [Original]

Is a network engineer really an 'engineer'? I feel like an imposter with this title. You don't have to do any math beyond subnetting...

>> No.12009254

You’re a machine education composer

>> No.12009255

>>12009253
What math is involved with subnetting? Is that like a bitmask thing?
But yeah, network "engineers" and most software "engineers" aren't really engineers

>> No.12009261

>>12009255
Don't get me wrong, I do projects for enterprise (petroleum industry, rigs mostly, with radio frequency telecoms) which can be tricky but it's... nah it doesn't feel like I earned that title.

>> No.12009293

>>12009253
>Is a network engineer really an 'engineer'?
no

>> No.12009362

>>12009255
Actual software engineers do deserve that title. I am talking about the ones who actually design, manage and implement complex projects. Not the self titled web niggers who think they are software engineers just because they completed a shitty bootcamp

>> No.12009437

>>12009362
I agree, there are definitely software engineers that deserve the title, although they are naturally massively outnumbered by webdevs and codemonkeys (because real software engineering requires more iq)

>> No.12009463

>>12009253
lmao MOST engineers dont do math besides your standard algebra and plug and chug into a formula.

The ones who actually really do math in engineering are the ones that are doing simulations. Even then, they are most likely just tweaking FEM models or designing them.

>> No.12009471

>>12009253
Literally all engineering is easy as shit. You're genuinely more impactful and probably make more money than some retarded mech e for instance.

>> No.12009502

I'm a "security engineer". I build security systems and integrate components that don't fit together with scripts and shit to make more secure environments and CI/CD pipelines. I also do a lot of manual testing for security bugs using intercept proxies or custom python scripts when I am bored. Or fuck around in prod servers to look at how retarded devops set up their servers..

Don't care what the title is since I get paid as much as a C level exec (minus bonuses) for my large swath of knowledge and practical ability.

>> No.12009517

>>12009502

I consider myself more of an internal security consultant I guess.

>> No.12009573

>>12009253
>he thinks engineers do math
kek

>> No.12009602

>>12009502
That sounds like a combination of plumber and quality control

>> No.12009800

>>12009602

haha. it probably is, right?

>> No.12009881

>>12009502
You don’t know shit and I’m in your networks like a dirty dick

>> No.12009908

>>12009573
EEs do

>> No.12009994

>>12009908
>memorizing fourier and z transforms formulas is doing math
ok

>> No.12010005

>>12009253
>engineer
>math
engineers aren't taught real math and aren't expected to know or use real math.

>> No.12010030

>>12010005
Where real math is defined as the math the engineers aren't taught

>> No.12010036

>>12009253
"Engineering" for the most part is just boring office work and creating PowerPoint presentations

>> No.12010044

>>12009253
No. They are network administrators. That is all.

>> No.12010309

>>12010044
Does it count if they also work for service providers with satellites, subsea cables and terrestrial links.

>> No.12010424

>>12009253
ITT nobody knows what they are talking about

>> No.12010427

a network engineer is a network engineer. only a retard or a nigger processes a single word at the expense of context

>> No.12010698

>>12009253
>Engineers do ""Math""
>Memorize these equations
>Plug and chug
>""Math""
Okay

>> No.12011446

>>12009573
>>12009994
>>12010005
>>12010698
>No! Engineers don't do math, only my incredibly specific autistic definition of math is math, even though everyone else including actual mathematicians think engineers do math.

>> No.12011471

>>12009502
you need a degree for that or nah

>> No.12011486

>>12009253
anon, how did you get into this career? just curious.

>> No.12011687
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12011687

The only real engineers are those with a license. Everyone else is larping and committing a misdemeanor or felony.
t. Professional Engineer

>> No.12012110

>>12011471

Some jobs want a degree and some dont. I've interviewed a few potential peers who claim to have Masters in Cybersecurity but each of them had no practical knowledge. They typically do well on the knowledge portion but they dont well on our technical challenges which consists of hacking into a few boxes and/or exploiting a flaw in a webapp, binary application, or server configuration all while explaining what they are doing and why they are doing it.

I have Masters in Computer science but also have a CCNP, CISSP, and OSCP which are basically mid/high level networking, security policy, and offensive security certs. The knowledge gained from studying for the certifications are typically more valuable than the knowledge learned from a degree because you get no guidance at all like in school.

You always have to stay on top of the newest technology so unless you are willing to constantly learn new frameworks and best practices then you won't really do well.

>> No.12012227

>>12012110
can I join you if I become a cert monkey pls?

>> No.12012278

>>12009253
I'm an electrical engineer and one of my buddies works as a code monkey and keeps calling himself a computer engineer. Makes me cringe.

>> No.12012561

>>12012278
What are you doing in your job?

>> No.12012609

>>12009502
>>12012110
Is the money worth dealing with the never ending shit show that is the tech security world?

>> No.12012630

>>12009253
My sister is a system engineer. What does that mean really?

>> No.12012658

An engineering title is just an extended IQ test to indicate you are above 120 IQ.

>> No.12013048
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12013048

>>12012658
>software engineer
>over 120 iq

>> No.12013074 [DELETED] 

>>12012561
I sell life insurance