Science in EU

[Anonymous No.12008044]

The majority of posters are from the U.S and talk about PhD, academia, industry in the U.S.
But what about Europe? What's the situation in Europe pertaining science related jobs?
PhD position, research, labs, industry, salaries etc...
What's the situation? is it better than the U.S?
Are requirements higher or lower? Are scientific fields oversaturated?
What are some interesting opportunities?
Just let me know your experience if you work a science related job in the EU.

[Anonymous No.12008052]

>>12008044
>What's the situation?
Profs bitch for little money
And still there's a lot of competition from all over the world

[Anonymous No.12008178]

>>12008044
>what about Europe? What's the situation in Europe pertaining science related jobs?
Poor positions, poor wages, shit research infiltrated by boomers and polititians in a decrepit and decadent continent. Run away dumbass

[Anonymous No.12008411]

>>12008178
where?
>run away
where?

[Anonymous No.12008555]

>>12008411
America if you want to actually be paid for research.

[Anonymous No.12008600]

>>12008178
>Poor positions
Adjunct "professors" don't exist in Europe and there's a lot less clawing for funding in the EU. The US is way more exploitative and the universities are bleeding students dry too.

[Anonymous No.12008617]

>>12008600
For students, maybe, but you get peanuts as a researcher in most EU university labs than in the US from what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.12008628]

>>12008600
if you mean associate professor (translator says it's the same but idk), we have them
>>12008617
Salaries are way higher in the U.S because you pay higher taxes and life there costs waaaay much more, here 3k monthly is a high salary for example.

[Anonymous No.12008664]

>>12008628
>you pay higher taxes
Not sure where you got that impression.
>life there costs waaaay much more
Cost of living in the US is lower than Western Europe. Meanwhile, America's median household income is like 6th globally.

[Anonymous No.12008683]

>>12008628
Adjunct is not the same as associate. An adjunct is a "professor" who has a limited term contract, sometimes per semester or annually. These people are not eligible to become permanent. They are also paid less and apparently don't even get health insurance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjunct_professors_in_North_America

[Anonymous No.12008710]

>>12008044
Awful. Unless you secure something permanent at the CERN in Switzerland or CEA in France. Even then, people in the CEA work a lot for not that much potential reward.
And if you're at the CNRS, it's just a fucking joke, we're talking lifelong poverty wages. Basically permanent researchers get paid less than their industry-funded PhD students. Which is ironic since the selection process to get into the CNRS is insane.

[Anonymous No.12008720]

>>12008178
>>12008555
Why are americans so cringe and just can't stop themselves from one-upping europe on every occasion?
I'm European and I'm never moving to your collapsing anti-white nation. Stop trying to desperately change my mind.

[Anonymous No.12008729]

>>12008720
>just can't stop themselves from one-upping europe on every occasion
It's not our fault that Europe somehow manages to value research less than the US, a country famous for its ignorant population. I'd consider moving there for the quality of life if the pay wasn't shit and their aerospace industry wasn't a joke, but alas, that's unlikely to change.

[Anonymous No.12008747]

>>12008729
ok you can stay in America all you want.
I'm never going to come to your nation. I don't visit places that hate me because of my skin color and will definitely not start a family in a place that has a linear trend to only get worse on that front. I also don't want to get shot by a psycho cop or the civil war militias. Stop trying to change my mind and stop jamming these desperate ads of the "american dream" down my throat. It's getting quite obnoxious at this point. The OP asked about Europe and experience in Europe. No one asked you for your opinion on why we should move to America.

[Anonymous No.12008751]

>>12008747
>Stop trying to change my mind
I'm not trying to lmao
Stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.12008756]

>>12008751
>I'm not trying to lmao
>Stop projecting.

hmm lets see

>>12008178
>Poor positions, poor wages, shit research infiltrated by boomers and polititians in a decrepit and decadent continent.
>Run away dumbass

>>12008555
>America if you want to actually be paid for research.

You're literally trying to advertise your nation here. It's so fucking sad and reeks of desperation.

[Anonymous No.12008765]

>>12008756
You’re replying to multiple different people, retard. Focus on fixing your own poverty before obsessing over others.

[Anonymous No.12008770]

>>12008765
>t-t-t-thats not me *posts one-upping picture*

lmfao
stay in America and never come here

[Anonymous No.12008775]

>>12008765
>the frogs are poorer than fucking kansas
Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.12008903]

>>12008720
Europe used to be the center of science on the entire planet and any regional university in Europe ran circles on Ivy league schools like Harvard.
Nowadays the tables have turned as in Europe we have decided to invest our wealth in pensions for boomers rather than in advancing knowledge as we used to do. If you are interested on doing research you will have to move to the US at somepoint, there is no way around it. Even the big European corporations like Novartis have 80% of their research labs in the US.

[Anonymous No.12009112]

>>12008903
Op here, you sure you aren't all just a bit too much U.S-centered?
Everytime you always whine and complain how STEM is a scam, college is shit and everyone has a PhD and is unemployed, but as soon as Eu is brought up the U.S is the pinnacle of world research, everyone is paid nice money and if you want to do research you have to come to the U.S?

[Anonymous No.12009150]

>>12009112
It’s just less bad in America than the EU, not necessarily good.

[Anonymous No.12009188]

>>12009150
but how would you know? You are american, aren't you?
No offense but i was trying to hear how bad is it from people who actually work in Europe and live there

[Anonymous No.12009206]

>>12009188
Well, the compensation gap is very real and discussed on both sides of the pond.
https://cdn1.euraxess.org/sites/default/files/policy_library/final_report.pdf
> Only Austria, The Netherlands, Israel, Switzerland and Luxembourg have an average remuneration similar to that of the United States, considering the cost of living in each country.

The only countries with similar financial compensation to that of US researchers are fairly small, with limited overall output.

[Anonymous No.12009216]

>>12009206
>netherlands
nice, probably going there for my master's if i can, seems nice enough and surely better than where i'm at

[Anonymous No.12010212]

>>12009112
I am a European working in the states. I know pretty well the situation in Europe. In Europe there is a lack of funding for important projects despite having one of the highest tax burdens on the planet (which mostly goes to boomers and bureaucrats) and sadly enough in Europe we are outsourcing a big chunk of our research to the US while feeding all our researchers to them. Europe is the past, the US is the present and the future is in Asia. Unless the EU gets their shit together (the EU has the resources to compete with the US it just decides to spend it on giving priviledges to boomers) the future of research (or the continent itself ones the golden industries like automotive start crumbling) in Europe is pretty grim

[Anonymous No.12010269]

>>12008044
I haven't worked in the field because I ended up in engineering instead of science but I did my master's thesis for CERN and I got the impression that the scientific community is pretty healthy and tight. We traveled around to several different facilities around Europe that CERN collaborates with, such as the Harwell Science and Innovation Campus in the UK, and the nuclear research centre in Rez, Czechia.
CERN have many fellowship positions that are made for newly educated students to get a foothold in the industry. There's also the new ITER project that I assume will need lots of new brains.