/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11993063]

What causes gender dysphoria scientifically?

[Anonymous No.11993067]

A society with toxic gender roles. Boys experience all the pressure and hatred against men, while at the same time seeing how privileged women are being treated.

[Anonymous No.11993086]

When you have a conception of yourself that doesn't match what other people call you, or expect you to act as it can cause dysphoria.

[Anonymous No.11993094]

>>11993063
The origin of meiosis and sex.

[Anonymous No.11993106]

>>11993063
Society

[Anonymous No.11993113]

>>11993063
Fetishism, delusion, societal obsession with 'gender' and sexuality

[Anonymous No.11993116]

>>11993086
That Is the consecuence not the cause.

[Anonymous No.11993163]

Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11993165]

>>11993063
You could have easily google the answer to your question.
>Savic et al. (2010): Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity and sexual orientation
>during the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge
>According to this concept, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation should be programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb
I cannot give link because of spamfilter, so you have to sci-hub it if you want the full article.

>>11993067
>>11993106
>>11993113
>There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation

[Anonymous No.11993172]

Autism

[Anonymous No.11993174]

it happens when boys are raised improperly and are allowed girly and weak behaviour. There is a certain ethnic group that knows this and it encourages it in the West today, hoping to take over its legacy

[Anonymous No.11993182]

>>11993063
A discrepancy between birth sex and gender identity.

[Anonymous No.11993183]

>>11993165
Apparently three literally whos from Sweden and Netherlands pandering to sjw say so, but that's still their own theory. I think it's undeniable that gender is a sociological and artificial construct and that external circumstances (and alterity in general) play an important role on affecting one sexual orientation and self.

[Anonymous No.11993184]

>>11993067
>>11993113
>>11993163
>>11993172
>>11993174
These are all pseudo-scientific answers

[Anonymous No.11993194]

Non-communicative SDN in the hypothalamus triggered and enhanced by societal circumstances.

[Anonymous No.11993199]

>>11993184
If the problem is not genetic, is sociological.

[Anonymous No.11993207]

>>11993199
Debatable. But either way that doesn't mean anything goes.

[Anonymous No.11993208]

>>11993183
>Apparently three literally whos from Sweden and Netherlands pandering to sjw say so, but that's still their own theory
If you consider Swaab "literal who", you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Moreover, their ideas are more than just "own theory".
>I think it's undeniable that gender is a sociological and artificial construct and that external circumstances (and alterity in general) play an important role on affecting one sexual orientation and self
You may believe it is "undeniable", but you are not convincing anybody here if you don't support your position with arguments.
>>11993199
Nta, but gender dysphoria contains well-known genetic component.

[Anonymous No.11993300]

>>11993165
>According to this concept it should [...]

Well exactly, it's a concept, I read it all some months ago. This is a research that might suggest so essentially, but it's still more of an empirical theory if you read it carefully.

>>11993165
>There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation

This is just being naive. What proof do you need yet in 2020? For example, how many homosexuals have declared to have been abused or raped as a child, how many people become bisexual or trans very later in their life? I even know personally one of these people who have declared this. Sexuality is not just something that is predetermined and fixed, it can be drastically shaped by alterity and experential circumstances.

Also >>11993194

[Anonymous No.11993310]

>>11993063
xenoestrogens

>>11993113
no you pathetic spineless pansy, this is /sci//pol/, not fucking psychiatric ward of tumblr you pozzed shitface

[Anonymous No.11993312]

>>11993184
see >>11993310

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1043276098000290

[Anonymous No.11993314]

>>11993310
>>11993312
This is also pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.11993318]

>>11993063
>cisgender asexuals get absolutely fucked over in terms of colours on their flags
not like I wanted colours or anything

[Anonymous No.11993328]

>>11993318
I like the asexual's flag colors desu

[Anonymous No.11993332]

>>11993314
ok snoyboy take your HRT

[Anonymous No.11993333]

>>11993328
it could be worse I suppose

[Anonymous No.11993347]

>>11993332
You mean actual human oestrogens which would be prescribed after a diagnosis of gender dysphoria has already been made?

[Anonymous No.11993350]

>>11993063
My question is: there can be a cure? I don't think chopping off little boys dick can exactly be considered a ''cure''.

[Anonymous No.11993372]

>>11993350
No, that's why you chop it off when they're grown men.

[Anonymous No.11993386]

>>11993300
>This is a research that might suggest so essentially, but it's still more of an empirical theory if you read it carefully
Disagreeing here. It is the careful phrasing typical of scientific literature that you are pointing out. It is not the smoking gun that you seem to think it is.
>What proof do you need yet in 2020?
Citations to peer-reviewed studies in established scientific journals would form a nice start.
>For example, how many homosexuals have declared to have been abused or raped as a child, how many people become bisexual or trans very later in their life?
I have no idea on your first question. Your second question is going to depend on how you want to define "become bisexual or trans": is it about the first realization something feels off, the full awareness, the vaguely-related fantasies and daydreaming or maybe the coming out and social transition?
>I even know personally one of these people who have declared this
That is entirely anecdotal. Also, it is impossible for me to figure out what kind of declaration you are meaning here.
>Sexuality is not just something that is predetermined and fixed
The scientific literature conflicts with this statement. Afaik pretty much all studies indicate rigidity of sexual orientation and gender identity.
>it can be drastically shaped by alterity and experential circumstances
It is hard to determine what you are attempting to convey here, but in case it is about experience shaping sexual orientation or gender identity to great degree, there is zero evidence for this. Link me a paper if you have reason to think otherwise.
>>11993194
>Non-communicative SDN in the hypothalamus triggered and enhanced by societal circumstances
Interesting explanation. Can you reference a study?

[Anonymous No.11993444]

>>11993063

[Anonymous No.11993447]

>>11993063
Do people identify as their gender? I look like a man, so I say I am a man. But I have never done x BECAUSE I am a man, well, except pissing standing up with my dick in the hand.

[Anonymous No.11993513]

>>11993116
why even sup experience?
why not just inf dysphoric?
After all, that is the concept in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.11993517]

>>11993063
leftism

[Anonymous No.11993527]

>>11993386
There are plenty of studies and researches, you just need to dive in. The problem is that they are much more complex to realize, it takes time, decades to obtain precise sociological results of this kind. Also, in general sociological studies on this very delicate subject will never be put on the primary news, it will always feel like they go against the actual political correctness that revolves around minorities.

This is from NCBI:

>Numerous studies document an association between childhood physical and sexual abuse, neglect, and witnessing violence in childhood and same-sex sexuality. The present study used instrumental variable methods to analyze data from natural experiments to provide novel evidence that maltreatment may shape sexual orientation and identity. [...]

>Our results suggest that from half to all of the increased prevalence of childhood sexual abuse experienced by sexual orientation minorities compared with heterosexuals may be due to the effects of sexual abuse on sexual orientation, possibly through previously proposed pathways: (1) abuse of boys perpetrated by men causes boys to believe they are gay; (2) abuse of girls by men leads them to be averse to sexual relationships with men; (3)[...]

>Quality of parenting affects expression of estrogen, oxytocin, vasopressin, and their receptors in offspring, and has been hypothesized to affect later sexual behavior through epigenetic changes, particularly in the stria terminalis and the medial amygdala, brain regions that regulate social behavior (Cushing & Kramer, 2005). Thus, abuse and maltreatment may affect sexual orientation through biological mechanisms responsive to postnatal social environment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/

[Anonymous No.11993559]

>>11993063
Well /sci/?

[Anonymous No.11993584]

>>11993447
Ding ding ding, THAT's the disorder.
People so devoid of intrinsec value they're clutch to anything to create an imaginary one.
Worthless people to cull, parasite fat on opulence.
Any time agriculture start to fail will be hilarious

[Anonymous No.11993586]

>>11993447
>>11993584
Pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.11993589]

>>11993527
Can these study be reproduced?
>>11993559
So many fresh organ to harvest, of course there woulld be no monetary interest ot encourage these donations.

[Anonymous No.11993593]

>>11993586
Grumpy hun.

[Anonymous No.11993598]

>>11993593
You're the Hun you Saxon bastard

[Anonymous No.11993604]

It's due to the goddess Cybele claiming them as hers, same thing as doctors being in the domain of Apollo etc

[Anonymous No.11993619]

>>11993604
Ah! Je ris de me voir cybele dans ce miroir~

[Anonymous No.11993622]

>>11993598
Sure hunnie.

[Anonymous No.11993630]

>>11993447
I guarantee there are many things you do (or don't do) because you're a man. You just don't have to think about it because you're cis.

[Anonymous No.11993672]

>>11993559

[Anonymous No.11993676]

>>11993630
It's almost like they're natural biological drives.

[Anonymous No.11993697]

>>11993676
Are you suggesting trans people are biologically the gender they identify as?

[Anonymous No.11993812]

>>11993063
>''cisgender''

Aka being mentally healthy?

[Anonymous No.11993834]

Do you think there are trannies in /sci/?

[Anonymous No.11993919]

>>11993697
See >>11993444

[Anonymous No.11993923]

Social media and rampant mental health.

[Anonymous No.11993924]

>>11993919
Not an answer. You didn't resolve the contradiction.

[Anonymous No.11993929]

>>11993924
What contradiction?

[Anonymous No.11993999]

>>11993834
I'm a male and I want to be raped.
What do you think?

[Anonymous No.11994035]

>>11993063
None of this would be happening if the internet didn't exist. It is the downfall of civilization.

[Anonymous No.11994039]

>>11993063
The most supported theory is hormonal imbalances in the womb, which are also thought to cause homosexuality. Any other answer is liable to be crank shit with little to no evidence.

[Anonymous No.11994046]

>>11993174
go back to your containment shithole pseud

[Anonymous No.11994050]

>>11993350
The "cure" is transition and has been well-established as such despite several decades of attempts to prove otherwise. You just don't like it because it makes you feel icky.

[Anonymous No.11994056]

>>11993207
This

[Anonymous No.11994066]

>>11994050
This is a normative problem.
I do not care about "resolving the psychological distress" of those who suffer from gender dysphoria. So allowing them to "transition" is not a cure, because we're not looking to resolve their dysphoria.
If it really comes down to it, if tit really comes down to "either we completely redefine the notions of biological sex, gender, manhood, womanhood, etc. in order to allow those with gender dysphoria to not feel dysphoria vs not changing these concepts and forcing this small minority to feel dysphoria", then the proper thing to do is sacrifice the small insane minority.

[Anonymous No.11994073]

>>11994039
Homosexuality is caused by being molested by a homo. You're not born with it.

[Anonymous No.11994076]

>>11993444
>>11993559
>>11993584
>>11994073
Here we observe a pack of /pol/tards seething because their pea-sized brains can not handle people having an intelligent discussion about one of their trigger-topics. They cope with this by flinging shit from their mouths in a desperate attempt to derail the thread and lower its quality to something they are more comfortable with.

[Anonymous No.11994079]

>>11994066
Thank you for exposing yourself as an ideologue pseud, though next time we could reach the same conclusion quicker if you'd simply posted "fuck trannies haha 41% *le smug frog pointing gun at trannyjak*.

[Anonymous No.11994083]

>>11993063
Autism.

[Anonymous No.11994090]

The idea that fixing cars and loving powers is "man" thing perpetuated ideas of gender which then persuades non culturally regulat woman to transition and vice versa. We should have protected sex, not gender, that was a hige error. Im not a feminist in the slightest but men are paying now dearly for thier despicable historical sins.

[Anonymous No.11994094]

>>11994079
I am neither an ideologue nor a pseud. I am smarter than you, I don't use /pol/, that was the first post I made in this thread, and you don't know what you're talking about.
Redefining clearly observed physical realities because 0.01% of the population are insane freaks is not tolerable. The entire trans issue is entirely normative in nature and centers around how we define and delineate various observed phenomenon.
There is no deeper moral or ethical concerns to this. It a matter of completely ignoring observed phenomena in order to appease a small minority of crazies vs. not doing so. The answer is simple - we don't do it, and if they suffer, too damn bad.

[Anonymous No.11994095]

>>11994090
*loving power tools

[Anonymous No.11994099]

>>11994094
>I am smarter than you
Pseud confirmed. Into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.11994100]

>>11994099
Cope and wrong.

[Anonymous No.11994101]

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/trgh.2015.0007

[Anonymous No.11994110]

>>11994066
>>11994050
Not him, but, well-established by who? Corporations? LGBT communities? What about the concrete high percentage of suicide rates by people who regret transitioning? To not talk about the obvious medical complications that follow, the quality of life, even just from a physical/medical standpoint is hugely humiliated.

[Anonymous No.11994119]

Reminder that the word gender is invented by a literal pedophile psychopath who induced two little boys in transitioning and leading them to kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.11994125]

Genetics, psychology, hormones, and culture. Males which skew feminine in a variety of metrics are more susceptible to becoming trans, especially in the West's highly feminized society. What's interesting is that there are roughly 3 to 4 times as many MtF than FtM. This could be due to exogenous xenoestrogens polluting the environment, and feminist propaganda pushing boys to be more girlish. It could also be the case that our culture is more tolerant of girls acting like boys, it's seen as being strong and ideal, especially in business. Whereas it's more invalidating for boys to act like girls, which is seen as weak and submissive.

[Anonymous No.11994128]

>>11994110
>well-established by who? Corporations? LGBT communities?
How about 52 separate scientific studies? There are mountains of research supporting this, ignoring it because you hate "le trannies" and want them to suffer is not an argument.
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
>What about the concrete high percentage of suicide rates by people who regret transitioning?
The rate of regret for transition is incredibly low. From the meta-analysis:
> Regrets following gender transition are extremely rare and have become even rarer as both surgical techniques and social support have improved. Pooling data from numerous studies demonstrates a regret rate ranging from .3 percent to 3.8 percent. Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques.
Moving on.
>To not talk about the obvious medical complications that follow, the quality of life, even just from a physical/medical standpoint is hugely humiliated.
Such as? The document I've linked shows that quality of life *objectively* improves with transition, and improved even further to normal levels when societal acceptance is factored in.
>>11994119
Making shit up is not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11994137]

>>11994125
>What's interesting is that there are roughly 3 to 4 times as many MtF than FtM.
This is completely false, there are objectively more FtM transsexuals than there are MtF transsexuals. Though your usage of terms such as "the West's highly feminized society", "xenoestrogens", and "feminist propaganda" suggest a high degree of pseudo-intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.11994147]

>>11994137
Post evidence.

>There was also a larger than expected ratio of male-to-female transsexual people to female-to-male transsexual people (6:1)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1080/00048670802345490

[Anonymous No.11994157]

>>11993929
If men act "manly" because their biology compels them to, then surely transmen also act manly because their biology compels them to, which means their biological gender is male. But then you point at sexual characteristics to imply that is the end-all, be-all of gender.

[Anonymous No.11994181]

>>11993559
no lies detected

[Anonymous No.11994184]

>>11993063
new religious movements/ cults
abusive parents/ close relatives
political and corporate culture
media and celebrities influence toward gullible ones
indoctrination of transgenderism (attack on genders instead on sexuality)

[Anonymous No.11994201]

>>11994128
>Making shit up is not an argument.

I understand that you're fighting for your cause, but denying literally any other evidences for the sake of denying is not very intelligent. He did not invented the intrinsic word obviously, but John Money is the first psychologist, sexologist and researcher who developed and popularized the whole gender theory, on which basically everything we're talking about came from.

>Recent academic studies have criticized Money's work in many respects, particularly in regard to his involvement with the involuntary sex-reassignment of the child David Reimer,[3] his forcing this child and his brother to simulate sex acts which Money photographed[4] and the adult suicides of both brothers.[4]

[Anonymous No.11994226]

>>11993067
Not saying there isn't a slice of truth to that, but this doesn't explain F to M trannies.

[Anonymous No.11994246]

>>11993063
mental sickness, society and abusive childhood

[Anonymous No.11994273]

>>11994184
Pseudoscience detected.

[Anonymous No.11994290]

>>11994273
>>11994137
>>11993586
>>11993314
>>11993184
Hate butt fist yourself or get HIV and die.

[Anonymous No.11994301]

>>11994290
Hit a nerve, pseud?

[Anonymous No.11994329]

It's very interesting that these days transgenderism is particularly embraced by richer upper class bourgeoisie, see all these celebrities that suddenly ''feel'' to transition with very naive and superficial motivations behind it.

>>11993527
Pic related (or his brother) frequently frequented a dominatrix for a long period of their time who practiced feminizing and humiliative sexual act to emasculate them by their request, maybe is not exactly a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.11994335]

>>11994128
Okay, but how much of that data is actually replicable, considering much of the field has fallen victim to the replication crisis? I am far more inclined to believe the transgender phenomena is a modern problem caused by mental illness and the individual's inability to confront their anima/animus. These are people who fail to confront their subconscious and instead attempt to force reality to conform to their warped viewpoint. The comorbidity of transgenderism and other mental illnesses, especially autism and depression, is too high to be coincidence.

[Anonymous No.11994359]

I live in Seattle and personally know like 5 people who have jumped onto the bandwagon and are now trannies. I think before the hype, when normal people still thought of you as a creepy weirdo, being a trannie really was a hardcore mental illness that wouldn't just go away with talk therapy. But now things are so obviously different I can't take seriously anyone who thinks otherwise. Tranny-ism in 2020 is a giant meme for losers lacking any kind of personal identity.

[Anonymous No.11994363]

>>11994359
Maybe they just want to be held

[Anonymous No.11994366]

>>11994359
Well, the all same things could be said about anime yet here we all are on 4chan now

[Anonymous No.11994371]

>>11994363
I mean, when I was grappling with my own gender dysphoric feelings when I was a teenager, this was the primary cause. I later realized it was born not from the desire to be a woman, but from the desire to be desired. Once I figured that out, setting those feelings aside was relatively easy. I just had to confront that part of myself first.

[Anonymous No.11994375]

>>11994371
Same but I still fantasize about it. I won't transition

[Anonymous No.11994378]

>>11994375
It is, at the end of the day, an escapist fantasy. That's why it's so common with depression and anxiety sufferers. We want to be something other than what we are.

[Anonymous No.11994381]

>>11994359
>>11994378
This is pseudoscience btw

[Anonymous No.11994385]

>>11994381
> this is pseudoscience
Says the increasingly nervous tranny for the 34212th time this thread.

[Anonymous No.11994386]

>>11994381
Jungian psychology is pseudoscience?

[Anonymous No.11994390]

>>11993063
differential effects of sex hormone on the brain

[Anonymous No.11994399]

>>11994385
It just happens to be a topic that attracts a lot of pseuds who think they can resolve complex issues by just applying their "common sense," but this is /sci/, so you should be countered every time you crop up.
>>11994386
If we're being generous, yes.

[Anonymous No.11994437]

>>11994329
>It's very interesting that these days transgenderism is particularly embraced by richer upper class bourgeoisie
I too love to make shit up with no basis in reality. As a matter of fact, transgender people are on average much *poorer* than the general population.
>>11994335
>Okay, but how much of that data is actually replicable, considering much of the field has fallen victim to the replication crisis?
It's literally 52 different studies. Stop coping already.
>The comorbidity of transgenderism and other mental illnesses, especially autism and depression, is too high to be coincidence.
This was already addressed earlier in the thread; transgenderism is most likely caused by hormone imbalances in the womb. Autism is also suspected to be caused by this.
>I am far more inclined to believe the transgender phenomena is a modern problem caused by mental illness and the individual's inability to confront their anima/animus. These are people who fail to confront their subconscious and instead attempt to force reality to conform to their warped viewpoint.
This isn't an argument and even if it was you have zero evidence. You've resorted to posting pseudo-intellectual mental gymnastics, I suspect because you're a bigoted brainlet who's upset that he has no justification for his irrational hatred of "le trannies".

[Anonymous No.11994446]

>>11994371
>>11994375
Enjoy cracking when you're 50, represstards.

[Anonymous No.11994450]

>>11993559
>You're just against the existence of trans people
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11994457]

>>11993063
Mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11994493]

>>11994399
The science on which the entire foundation of modern psychology is based is pseudoscience. I guess that means transgenderism must not exist either, since it's a product of the same science you're throwing out the window.

[Anonymous No.11994505]

>>11994437
>Autism is also suspected to be caused by this.
Would explain the comorbidity. Or did I make that up?

[Anonymous No.11994506]

>>11994437
Do... Do you even know what the replication crisis or the anima/animus actually are?

[Anonymous No.11994509]

>>11994493
You are making two false claims here.

[Anonymous No.11994535]

>>11993063
Sexual abuse at a young age.

[Anonymous No.11994551]

>>11994399
Yes this topic does attract a lot of pseuds. That's why the "scientists" who study these things are typically weirdo pseuds and have laid out the whole groundwork for the pseudoscience that justifies tranny mental illness. See John Money.

[Anonymous No.11994554]

>>11994226
>but this doesn't explain F to M trannies
The very few FtM are explained by the bombardment of bullshit that "men have it easier" even though the opposite is actually true. There are a couple of women dumb enough to fall for it and there a couple of actual cases of gender dysphoria, it's a very very rare disorder after all.

[Anonymous No.11994576]

>>11994505
That is what i implies, yes.
>>11994506
Yes, and I also know that you're a brainlet who uses it as a crutch to dismiss overwhelming evidence whenever it runs contrary to your irrational pseud worldview.

[Anonymous No.11994586]

>>11994551
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11994591]

>>11994551
Which is why instead we should fall back on Jungian psychoanalysis lmao

[Anonymous No.11994593]

>>11994586
> calls anyone a "pseud" who doesn't agree with him
> accuses others of not making arguments

[Anonymous No.11994633]

>>11994593
What do you expect? By their own definition, autism and transgenderism are caused by the same thing. Therefore, this person is clearly autistic. QED.

[Anonymous No.11994640]

>>11994593
I called you a pseud because you're a brainlet who's performing mental gymnastics to avoid accepting scientific fact. You called me a pseud because a doctor was bad 30 years ago.

[Anonymous No.11994643]

>>11994593
This is /sci/. Pointing out pseudo-science is an argument. If you can't back up your claims scientifically you should look for another board.

[Anonymous No.11994651]

>>11993063
Mental illness

[Anonymous No.11994656]

>>11994643
>this is the Vatican. Pointing out heresy is an argument. If you can't back up your claims religiously, you should find another forum

[Anonymous No.11994665]

>>11993527
Thanks for posting a study. I did my own searches in this area and most reported outcomes of reverse causality: the majority of findings were that nonheterosexuality/gendernonconformity presented a risk factor for abuse. It is thought that such boys are easy targets in the eyes of pedophiles. Very few researchers seem to believe that sexual orientation can be changed postnatally, so your study is unusual in this regard. Here are some links:
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1079063215618378?journalCode=saxb
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134495/
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22351893/

>>11994359
I have seen 2, 3 people in my life that were visibly transgender. To speak in terms such as "bandwagon" or "hype" is absurd when it is so rare for people to medically transition into the other gender. What do you even think of obesity with its prevalence of well over 20% in numerous countries? Is that not a popular trend in your eyes? Obesity is like a thousand times more common than gender dysphoria. Why not focus your attention on that preventable health affliction instead of a rare congenital condition?

[Anonymous No.11994669]

>>11994656
Imagine going to /sci/ and declaring science to be a dogma and demanding your "common sense" be heard and treated as valid. And you would accuse trans people of being delusional and attention seeking? Tell me, since you're the expert, what did Jung write about projection?

[Anonymous No.11994681]

>>11994665
I'm personally close to a few of these "trannies". One is my brother in law, the other my sister in law. Another is a close friend's brother. My brother has like 7 kids and all I hear about from my their family is how kids in their school are "transitioning". It's a mass hysteria.
Also, I can focus on obesity and this tranny fad if I want to. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.11994685]

>>11994437
It's the second time in this thread you accuse someone of 'making shit up' although you've been proved of being wrong already the first time.>>11994201

>As a matter of fact, transgender people are on average much *poorer* than the general population.

Seems like an anecdotal view from your perspective, other way provide a source of statistics which say transgenderism is actually more embraced by lower class people.

I'm not saying that poorer people don't feel trans, I'm saying that is widely becoming a trend in the upper richer class right now in our society, probably for pandering a determinate message of libertarian politics.

I find extremely naive and close-minded to think that is possible to reduce everything just to biological teleology, the human mind is indefinably complex and constantly mutating to adapt to the world, and in particular to our society.

[Anonymous No.11994688]

>>11994681
>It's a mass hysteria.
On your part, yes.

[Anonymous No.11994689]

>>11994669
For someone talking claiming I'm projecting, you sure just did a lot of it yourself. I'm not the Jung guy. I was just pointing out that the burden of proof rests on the one making the claim, not the other way around.

And science CAN be dogma. Like transgenderism, for example.

[Anonymous No.11994690]

>>11994094
Found the Muslim

[Anonymous No.11994693]

>>11994685
>other way provide a source of statistics which say transgenderism is actually more embraced by lower class people.
Sneaky sneaky, conflating class with individual wealth

[Anonymous No.11994694]

>>11994640
I'm just reporting from the ground about what is going on in one of the most leftist areas of the country. I never claimed to have "scientific evidence". The idea that you need scientific evidence to see what's happening right in front of your face is ridiculous anyway. Did Einstein need a scientific paper published on the effectiveness of toilet paper before he wiped his ass?

[Anonymous No.11994696]

>>11994119
Have you even read the book? Sounds like you didn't.

[Anonymous No.11994698]

>>11994689
>I was just pointing out that the burden of proof rests on the one making the claim, not the other way around.
No, you're not. You're taking issue with me doing that throughout the thread.

[Anonymous No.11994700]

>>11994696
>Have you even read the dead sea scrolls? No? Your argument is invalid.

[Anonymous No.11994701]

>>11994335
You're moving the goalposts

[Anonymous No.11994708]

>>11994694
So you have anecdotes and confirmation bias.

[Anonymous No.11994716]

>>11994701
>>11994708
>See guys? I, too, can point out logical fallacies. I'm a (mas)debater!

[Anonymous No.11994725]

>>11994708
I'm going to need at least 10 peer reviewed papers on why you're so fucking autistic before we continue this discussion.

[Anonymous No.11994727]

>>11994073
so are you saying that if you were raped, personally, when you were little - by a man - that you are sure that you would turn gay?

[Anonymous No.11994730]

>>11994681
Have you ever heard of availability bias?

[Anonymous No.11994739]

>>11994727
>spends half the thread throwing away arguments by pointing out logical fallacies
>too autistic to notice his own strawman

[Anonymous No.11994743]

>>11994716
Yes, I can point out logical fallacies because you keep making them. What you can't do is make logical arguments.
>>11994725
Sorry, I can't, I guess we have to reject your hypothesis.

Again, if you think the scientific method is autism, this isn't the board for you. If you want to circlejerk about your pet theory, /pol/ or /v/ are probably eager to lap it up. But you won't get /sci/'s stamp of approval no matter how desperate you are for validation.

[Anonymous No.11994748]

>>11994743
>argument from authority

[Anonymous No.11994751]

>>11994748
>The scientific method is an argument from authority
You are everything wrong with America today and no, you can't convince me you're not American.

[Anonymous No.11994756]

>>11994743
So the idea that the science on trannies is corrupted or out of date is just totally off limits to you then?

[Anonymous No.11994760]

>>11994751
I'm not. I'm Irish lol

And the scientific method is wrong all the time. That's why Bertrand Russel invented statistics.

[Anonymous No.11994761]

>>11994685
>proven wrong
Saying a doctor did bad things is not proving me wrong. I never cited Money though clearly you wish that I had.
>Seems like an anecdotal view from your perspective
Wrong. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0019793920902776
>Using data from the 2007–2009 Massachusetts Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System with 131 self-identified transgender adults, Conron, Scott, Stowell, and Landers (2012) found non-elderly (18- to 64-year-old) transgender adults were more likely to be living in poverty (31% vs 9%) and unemployed (33% vs 12%) compared to their non-transgender peers. Other evidence from nonrandom samples of transgender populations collected through transgender-serving advocacy organizations supports these findings (Xavier, Honnold, and Bradford 2007; Grant et al. 2011).
Furthermore, I have yet to see you cite anything beyond anecdotal "evidence" to support your claim that
>I'm not saying that poorer people don't feel trans, I'm saying that is widely becoming a trend in the upper richer class right now in our society, probably for pandering a determinate message of libertarian politics.

[Anonymous No.11994762]

>>11994739
but im new here i just saw this thread

[Anonymous No.11994769]

>>11994760
You're not Irish, Plastick O'Paddy. Go back to Massachusetts and stop coughing on the innocent Irishmen.

[Anonymous No.11994791]

>>11994756
Until it is proven.
>>11994760
The scientific method is wrong all the time by design. It's how it gets to be less wrong little by little. I'm sorry that we cannot allow intuition or divine revelation in this discussion.

[Anonymous No.11994800]

>>11994791
>doesn't even realize that half the studies published will throw away data points that skew too far outside the norm
>doesn't realize that the reason we even developed fields like biostatistics is because almost nothing ever trends along the average
>has never even worked in a lab

[Anonymous No.11994807]

>>11994769
I'm from Cork, dude. I can see St. Fin Barre's from my front porch lol

[Anonymous No.11994833]

>>11994807
Well, I've already decided that you're American based on my anecdotal experiences with Americans, so that's what you'll be for the purposes of this thread :^)

[Anonymous No.11994838]

>>11994833
I can send you a timestamped photo of the cathedral, if it'd soothe your autism.

[Anonymous No.11994847]

>>11994838
Common sense tells me you're probably an American stuck abroad

[Anonymous No.11994858]

>>11994847
>Spends entire thread deriding common sense
>uses it to oppress poor paddy lad
Typical brit.

[Anonymous No.11994872]

>>11994858
So now you've experienced first-hand why your common sense isn't enough.

[Anonymous No.11994883]

>>11994872
>has such a large ego that he thinks he's pointed out something the guy trolling him wasn't already aware of
Nice teachable moment, socrates.

[Anonymous No.11994927]

>>11993063
>What causes gender dysphoria scientifically?
A combination of narcissism and lack of social status re-enforced by external self-interested parties(e.g. discord trannies)

[Anonymous No.11994928]

>>11994050
I want the state to stop things that make me feel icky from happening. What of it?

[Anonymous No.11995004]

>>11993063
Social roles maybe...

Maybe it's just isolation and insufficency of sex.

Maybe it's the shit that causes frogs going gay.

Most possibly combiation of all above.

[Anonymous No.11995006]

>>11994800
Keep coping you retard, you're only further exposing yourself as a brainlet.
>>11994928
It means you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.11995070]

>>11994761
>Saying a doctor did bad things is not proving me wrong.

Not so easy. It's not just a doctor, he is THE doctor from whose essentially all the notion on gender theory came from and the one who influenced our society politics on gender/sexuality the most possibly. You are sure you wouldn't make a slight revision of his theory if he would come out as confirmed psychopath?

>>11994761
>Wrong. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0019793920902776
A pretty much dated statistic of Massachussets doesn't mean there aren't richer upper class people who are claiming to be trans for the sake of virtue signaling and following a political agenda, that's what I was saying. But nonetheless in the beginning I never claimed it's only a rich thing obviously.

You seem to rely your view entirely on sterile lab papers with no understanding of what's going on the social side. There's much more politology and sociology to rely on this topic than mere simple numbers. Now that transgenderism is becoming mass institutionalized by white billionaires more and more, I wonder how many people in the future will be tricked into believing to be trans at some point in their life, or will be definitely influenced by its aesthetic. (It's already happening in corporate media)

[Anonymous No.11995086]

>>11994329
Nice jawline bro.

[Anonymous No.11995087]

>>11995070
>his ENTIRE argument is literally just based on memes and his feelings
Just kill yourself already.

[Anonymous No.11995103]

>>11995070
No he isn't retard, modern studies of transsexualism began with Magnus Hirschfeld. And even if it didn't, you still don't have an argument. A lot of modern medical science is based on knowledge from Nazi human experiments during the holocaust, that doesn't mean that the flu vaccine is made up. Pointing out that someone did a bad thing doesn't disprove anything and if anything, Money's case is only further proof that gender identity is innate; if transgenderism was caused by purely by "social factors", why did Reimer so strongly desire to live as a male when he was raised as a female and believed himself to be one for several years?

[Anonymous No.11995129]

>>11993063
Increasing clinical evidence suggests an overrepresentation of gender variance (GV) among patients with autism spectrum disorders (ASDs). This retrospective chart review aims to contribute to the existing literature on co-occurring ASD and gender dysphoria (GD). We compare the rate of parent-reported GV in patients with an ASD diagnosis to that of parent-reported GV in a normative nonreferred data set.

This finding supports the growing research suggesting a heightened co-occurrence rate of ASD and GD. Focus should be placed upon improving our understanding of the nature of this co-occurrence and on gender identity development within the atypical development of ASD.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/trgh.2015.0007

[Anonymous No.11995156]

>>11993063
Gender dysphoria, also known as transvestite fetishism or transgender is an uncommon fetish found on the internet. Fetishes are typically caused by abnornalities in human puberty, usually when first connecting reproduction to our pleasure centres.
I hope that helped you, anon.

[Anonymous No.11995207]

>>11994095
but i love power too

[Anonymous No.11995209]

>>11995156
This is pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.11995220]

>>11993063
A malformation of a structure within the brain resulting not in a desire to be the opposite sex, but in a generalized feeling of strong discomfort with one's body.

[Anonymous No.11995237]

>>11995220
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.11995268]

This thread is now an examination and discussion of the reasons behind retards thinking they can add the word 'scientifically' and/or the phrase 'evolutionary advantage' to room-temperature IQ-level bait questions and make it sound actually intelligent.

[Anonymous No.11995314]

>>11995103
Imagine supporting evilness for supposed progress you creepy fucker. You are pretending to ignore the absurd choice of a mentally challenged pedophile who suggested to implant a vagina instead of a penis into a male who had a failed circumcision, not onlty and he suggested to his parents rising him as a girl, this as a method of ''coping'' to be an intersexual patient at that time. What kind of scientific rigour is behind this if not just straight personal hallucination? It's completely insane and doesn't make sense. Reimer was victim of a medical and psychological butchery and has killed himself after his second genital surgery of his own request (which turned him male again), apparently he was already utterly damaged by the artificial manipulations he had for an entire part of his life. He would be still alive if it wasn't for the absurd choice of Money.
I never claimed gender dysphoria to be entirely caused by societal factors, only that can be definitely enhanced and augmented by them, especially in modernity. Also Reimer's case is not representative of a typical gender-dysphoric person, people with natural gender dysphoria perceive the thing differently and not everyone at the same level.

[Anonymous No.11995329]

>>11995314
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11995331]

>>11995314
Arguments from emotion are not arguments at all. Just kill yourselves already; your hatred has driven you utterly blind.

[Anonymous No.11995374]

>>11995331
Disappointing. I don't have any hatred for anyone, except who originates evil. You're the who should kill yourself if you can't continue to argue without insulting me.

You are clearly run out.

[Anonymous No.11996100]

>>11994791
So the only proof you recognize is peer reviewed research thus the only way you'd accept that there may be some flaw in the state of a given field of study is peer reviewed research? A bit circular no?

[Anonymous No.11996110]

>>11994076
The fact that you let those "pea brains" live rent free shows that you're retarded enough to be bested by actual retards.

[Anonymous No.11996123]

>>11993063
normalization of depression