/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11976734]

Why is autism more common in males than females?

[Anonymous No.11976747]

>>11976734
>why are boy more likely to be interested in things
>why are women more likely to be interested in people

[Anonymous No.11976811]

>>11976734
Because it can't be diagnosed in females as easily leading to under-diagnosis since society treats women paternalistically. In women autism is not a drawback because it makes it so that they're perceived as extra cute instead of extra creepy.

[Anonymous No.11976847]

>>11976734
It isn't; females are more likely to get diagnosed with BPD instead.

[Anonymous No.11976860]

>>11976847
>it isn't
that's not what op image says

[Anonymous No.11976870]

>>11976860
How short is your attention span that you failed to finish reading one fucking sentence?

[Anonymous No.11976886]

>>11976734
It's probably due to the to environmental effects (vaccines, toxins etc,) epigenetically affecting the genes that are probably more present in males.

[Anonymous No.11976895]

>>11976734
Because males already show more autistic traits on average than females which should not be surprising as already indicated by >>11976747. Autism is a diagnosis based on behavior. Thus a diagnosis is based by assessing an individual's superficial presentation. People can attain these diagnosis (in practice) at will because the underlying definitions are so vague and broad. This is an actual issue with students who get themselves diagnosed as ADHD to get legal stimulants.

There are other things too not restricted to autism diagnosis. A education system that has become increasingly hostile to boys (where 20-30 % of all boys now have a mental disorder), most teachers especially in elementary school are female, therefore automatically empathize more with their female pupils. Our society that promotes obedience, social assimiliation, things women by virtue of their biology excel at.

[Anonymous No.11977225]

>>11976895
I was just thinking about the male female teacher ratio. Its funny thinking back that two favourite primary school teachers were both male, even though i never had them as my own teachers, only rarely did i sit in on their classes for some reason. I wonder what effect male kindergarten and preprimary school teachers would have on something, idk what

[Anonymous No.11977230]

Since males are more like sacrificial drones, it's beneficial to have more mutations as they can adapt faster, but you also get more duds. Women need to stay average so they can keep safely producing offspring.

[Anonymous No.11977234]

>>11976870
the rest of your sentence does not take back the first part, which was wrong. Therefore the whole sentence is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11977240]

great male variability hypothesis

[Anonymous No.11977575]

>>11976734
>Why is autism more common in males than females?

It's due to the important role testosterone plays in the brain of the developing fetus. When boys experience a higher level of testosterone than normal - that affects the wiring and causes autism. The level of testosterone in utero correlates with an interest in things rather than people.

Fetal Testosterone and Sex Differences in Typical Social Development and in Autism - Journal of Child Neurology, October 1, 2006, Rebecca Christine Knickmeyer, Simon Baron-Cohen
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08830738060210101601

Girls who have been exposed to high levels of testosterone in utero show the same pattern of behaviour and toy preferences as boys. The elevated level of fetal testosterone from week 8 to 24 influences the way brain structures are wired (specifically it affects local grey matter volume of various brain regions - which differ between men and women). What's more that difference seems to be permanent.
http://www.math.kth.se/matstat/gru/5b1501/F/sex.pdf

Boys are more likely to experience high levels of testosterone in utero. Young primates show the same gender preferences towards toys as human children, and if you increase the level of testosterone in utero, female primate show male toy preferences.

Sex differences in rhesus monkey toy preferences parallel those of children. (The same difference occurs in other primate species too).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583786/

Autism is a very popular condition so naturally feminists are upset that it's not an 'equal opportunity' condition. It's very rare in females so the current trend is to label completely different conditions as 'autism' to 'boost the numbers'.

[Anonymous No.11977627]

>>11977234
Yes it does. Learn to fucking read or don't reply anymore.

[Anonymous No.11977901]

>>11977575
What "wiring" is changed? Cant access the article but im guessing stronger neural pathways are created in the amygdala / hippocampus?

[Anonymous No.11977989]

>>11977627
>it's not more common in males
>female get BPD instead
it is more common in males, women having higher rates of BPD "instead" does not give them equal rates of autism.

[Anonymous No.11978294]

>>11977989
Autism and BPD are neurologically identical. Males are more likely to get diagnosed with autism, females are more likely to get diagnosed with BPD. They are the same thing.

[Anonymous No.11978386]

>>11976734
Autism in females results in different patterns of behavior than in males.
Mimicry is a big part of female autism. This tends to result in the female autist mimicking the appearance/behaviors/proclivities of normal girls and therefore disguising their condition.
The social unawareness is common to both genders but boys express their unawareness in more noticeable ways (violence, unapologeticness, etc) while girls tend to cry (and look like a victim that needs to be coddled) and apologize (even though they don't know what they did wrong) so it appears to be more in accordance with social norms.

[Anonymous No.11978613]

>>11978294
I doubt they're identical when they have such profoundly different symptoms

[Anonymous No.11978709]

>>11977901

There are receptors for testosterone all over the brain. It probably accounts for the difference in grey and white matter between the sexes - though probably indirectly because it's complex.
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=testosterone+receptors+in+the+primate+brain&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

A lot of this research can no longer be done because ethics committees are stuffed full of feminists for whom this sort of thing is too 'problematic'.

[Anonymous No.11978732]

>>11977230
That's a really good idea, because it's also possible that autism exists to allow tribes to adapt faster, at the expense of someone with autism being less likely to reproduce. An individual being less likely to reproduce doesn't matter to the reproduction rate of the species when that individual is a male. And a trait that's negatively selected for by evolution of the individual can be positively selected for by evolution of the species, if tribes where the trait is present are more likely to thrive.

[Anonymous No.11978752]

>>11977575
Is this where the "attractive autistic male" and "ugly autistic female" memes come from?

[Anonymous No.11978753]

>>11978752
Most likely. Increased prenatal T for males causes symmetry while the doing the opposite for females.

[Anonymous No.11980206]

>>11978386
I've heard this explanation before and it sounds like a huge cope

[Anonymous No.11980458]

>>11977240
this is correct, any time there is some difference between females and males reach for this immediately, it will almost always explain your obeservation

[Anonymous No.11980467]

>>11978386
Autism is not differently expressed in females. It's simply not there. I don't know where the push for gender equality in mental/developmental disorders came from.
>Mimicry is a big part of female autism. This tends to result in the female autist mimicking the appearance/behaviors/proclivities of normal girls and therefore disguising their condition.
This is what literally every infant does. Also, autism is characterized by a failure to properly mimic behaviors in a given sociocultural environment. If a child has successfully mastered social skills to a point that there are no observable and actual differences between her and the norm, the child is not autistic by definition.
>The social unawareness is common to both genders
Most autistics don't lack social awareness per se. They lack the proper techniques to properly deal with social situations given a sociocultural norm. You conflate autism with mental retardation again.
>>11980206
No, it's not cope. His comment is just bullshit based on a line of political correct thinking that both genders ought to take a equal share in everything. So autism in females is redefined to something that contradicts the actual definition of autism.

[Anonymous No.11980991]

>>11980467
>Autism is not differently expressed in females. It's simply not there. I don't know where the push for gender equality in mental/developmental disorders came from.
Just search youtube for severely autistic females. Females get autism, but it's much rarer than in males. However, perhaps you are right there's a push for diagnosing subclinical female asperger cases which would not get the diagnosis if they were male. I don't know how to determine that. How are you doing it?
>If a child has successfully mastered social skills to a point that there are no observable and actual differences between her and the norm, the child is not autistic by definition.
Diagnosis shouldn't and isn't completely behavioral. Different mental processes can produce approximately the same behavior or at least something that passes. People not noticing or not ostracizing a person does not imply that the person is normal. There's a lot of slack in social situations and people are fallable, gullible and most importantly lazy and egotistical. Sometimes they even value aspergers for their differences and they semi-function within this exclusive role.

[Anonymous No.11981015]

>>11976734
That's not what that figure shows

[Anonymous No.11981049]

>>11978386
how does this account for there being a disproportionate amount of low functioning male autists as well?

[Anonymous No.11981246]

>>11981049
anon didn't claim this explanation would account for the gap. maybe it accounts for part of the gap, or nothing because we detect them anyways.

[Anonymous No.11981274]

>>11976734
Because men are better than women and autism is the next stage in human evolution. Homo-Sapien-Aspergus.

[Anonymous No.11981288]

>>11976734
>>>/x/
Pseudoscience psychology doesn't belong here. The definition of what autism is is so vague and can be applied to almost anyone a psychologist wants to for whatever reason. Why is ''aspergers'' (whatever the fuck that is and is now just called ''an autism spectrum disorder'') lumped in with full blown low IQ retards? The reason it's more common in males than females is because men get diagnosed with ''autism spectrum disorders'' when they are slightly out of line with NPC clown worlders. Women on the other hand almost always conform to social norms and usually a diagnosis like this is something they use to garner sympathy on social media. This is a gas lighting psyop.

[Anonymous No.11982604]

>>11978294

[Anonymous No.11982625]

i'm too lazy to write a long post about my conclusions of studying this before, but here's some papers relevant to the subject
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6275492/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4164392/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5789210/
very short version:
-autism seems to have a strong relation with prenatal testosterone exposure, and male fetuses are likely exposed to more from their own production in addition to maternal testosterone
-autistic females tend to have traits more similar to normal males than autistic males or normal females and so can fit into range of normal behavior easier than autistic males
-females in general are much better at standardizing and copying behavior from peers than males, and autistic females are more likely to be able to conceal or deal with autism problems themselves and thus never go to autism doc and get official diagnosis than autistic males

[Anonymous No.11982711]

>>11976734
autism is a made up disorder to categorize neglected children and cover up the responsibility of the abusive parents

>mfw people ask if autism is genetic

[Anonymous No.11982717]

Autism = Intelligence

As usual femoids can't compete

[Anonymous No.11983380]

>>11982711
holy based

[Anonymous No.11983761]

>>11981288
t. autist in denial

[Anonymous No.11983772]

>>11982711
probably a bait but i wasn't neglected or abused. the signs were visible within a few years of life. many of the symptoms couldn't possibly be explained by a meme theory like yours, i mean how would it explain heightened sensitivity to sound? and yes there is plenty of evidence that it is genetic and inherited.

[Anonymous No.11983776]

>>11978294
They have completely different symptoms. You wouldn’t accidentally misdiagnose one for the other. You don’t know what you’re talking about at all.

[Anonymous No.11983778]

>>11976734
I have ASD and I do not want to be put in the same category as the autists who collect random stuff and eat their own buggers.

[Anonymous No.11983790]

This is a NPD thread from now on. Autists fear the Narcissistic bull

[Anonymous No.11983978]

>>11983776
They are identical. The only difference ishow the society treats you - males are more likely get ostracized, so they often don't know their culture. Females are usually kept around as a source of sex, so they have the opportunity to learn.

[Anonymous No.11984058]

>>11976734
because autism isn't an actual disease rather than a state of mind that is more easily ((((diagnosed))) in males.