/sfg/ Jumping Watertowers Edition

[Elon Musk No.11974902]

Old: >>11971683

HOW CAN OLDSPACE EVER HOPE TO RECOVER?

[Anonymous No.11974907]

>>11974902
So is the consensus that Sn8 is going to get those new fins that just arrived and make the 20km hop?

[Anonymous No.11974912]

Video of hop

[Anonymous No.11974916]

[Anonymous No.11974917]

>>11974907
that is what I think is the plan, yes. probably need to swap out a new launch stand first

[Anonymous No.11974919]

>>11974917
The SN5 test stand is in thousands of pieces right now so yes.

[Anonymous No.11974922]

>>11974912
>Those little legs
CUTE! CUTE!!!

[Anonymous No.11974929]

>>11974922

[Anonymous No.11974930]

>>11974902
It had some weird inclination, was that part of the plan?

[Anonymous No.11974931]

>>11974912
>star-hopper in frame
absolute kino

[Anonymous No.11974934]

>>11974912
best angle so far, too bad it goes off frame for a bit

[Anonymous No.11974937]

>>11974907
>20km hop?
I assume terminal velocity is reached between 20km and 0m right? And they hope to be able to land it? Jesus christ, that's a bold move

[Anonymous No.11974938]

>>11974930
it's still standing so who give a fuck
>probably uses crush-cores like F9, or punched through the pad like starhopper

[Anonymous No.11974939]

>>11974902

[Anonymous No.11974941]

>>11974930
Yes, engine is offset from center.

[Anonymous No.11974942]

>>11974930
the engine is deliberately off-center, in a place it would be if it had all 3 attached

[Anonymous No.11974945]

>>11974938
Yeah...that probably was close

[Anonymous No.11974946]

He did it and I'm so proud of him

[Anonymous No.11974949]

>>11974922
>I killed fitty oldspace contacts

[Anonymous No.11974951]

>>11974946
hopbunny needs to hit the gym before the 20km attempt

[Anonymous No.11974953]

>>11974939
i really like that fiery pattern it makes

[Anonymous No.11974954]

>>11974941
>>11974942
Alright, thank you.

[Anonymous No.11974959]

>>11974902
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCM2dEWGf-o

[Anonymous No.11974960]

55 minutes

[Anonymous No.11974961]

>>11974938
I'd be surprised if crushed the concrete but didn't break a leg.

[Anonymous No.11974963]

NSF nomadd view https://youtu.be/MQK-IrpstRA

[Anonymous No.11974966]

BlueOrigin/Boeing/ULA on suicide

[Anonymous No.11974968]

>>11974912
>a flying trashcan
I wonder if I can build one of these in my garage.
Building a rocket by yourself and launching it into space sounds American to me. I bet Emerson and the transcendentalists would agree.

[Anonymous No.11974969]

>>11974968
rocket ship Galileo

[Anonymous No.11974971]

>>11974966
Vulcan Heavy and New Glenn will be cheaper for some missions than Starship, I think. It's mostly Boing! that's humiliated right now.

[Anonymous No.11974973]

[Anonymous No.11974974]

>>11974971
lol not even close. You might be thinking of reusable config FH. Starship is supposed to be cheaper then *Falcon 1* per launch

[Anonymous No.11974975]

>>11974968
>cracking open some fresh martian brews with the boys after a hard day of geology, the scent of fresh mushrooms sizzling in flax oil on the methane range, as you gaze out the window at the setting sun, soft behind a delicate cloud, at peace.

[Anonymous No.11974976]

>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290817143785783296 progress is accelerating

[Anonymous No.11974978]

>NOOO NOOO DON'T, HUMANS JUST DON'T BELONG ON MARS

[Anonymous No.11974979]

>>11974951

[Anonymous No.11974980]

>>11974976
>progress is accelerating
Isn’t that what the ISS was worried about a few weeks ago?

[Anonymous No.11974981]

>>11974919
That's why they're rebuilding the SN4 stand lol

[Anonymous No.11974982]

>>11974980
oof

[Anonymous No.11974983]

>>11974978
>STOP REEEEEE FIX THE GARBAGE WE MADE REEEEE PICK UP MY TRASH

[Anonymous No.11974984]

>>11974980
cyka blyat delete this

[Anonymous No.11974985]

>>11974978
these people know they are never going to space because they live in their shithole countries and wont be able to make it to america, so they simply seethe and ask elon to give them gibs

[Anonymous No.11974986]

>>11974976
>Action is coming...

[Anonymous No.11974987]

>>11974978
Based Keviin and ZeAe.

[Anonymous No.11974988]

>>11974978
>people blatantly exposing how cowardly and egotistical they are
darwinism at work folks

[Anonymous No.11974989]

>>11974980
>Isn’t that what the ISS was worried about a few weeks ago?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, KUUUUUURWAAA!!!

[Anonymous No.11974990]

>>11974983
The funny thing is most of these faggots LITERALLY can't do shit about it and never will be able to, they will only SEETHE ETERNALLY and cry while they hold their boeing bux and attend their next union meeting

[Anonymous No.11974991]

>>11974980

[Anonymous No.11974992]

>>11974969
That does sound like something Heinlein would write.
It's a shame Americans aren't, by and large, that type of people anymore.

I've only read Stranger in a Strange Land, do you think I should give that a peruse?
>>11974975
Heavenly and divine, anon.
It's a timeless feeling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6ZCIRjI14

[Anonymous No.11974993]

Jesus Christ you guys are discussing about some Literal Who twitter replies.

Focus people, FOCUS.

[Anonymous No.11974994]

>>11974978
>>11974983
How simple minded are these people? There are billions of humans on Earth, our species can afford to spare a mere couple thousand for making rockets.

[Anonymous No.11974996]

>>11974993

[Anonymous No.11974997]

>>11974983
>JAY

>IS

>GAY

Also Boeingcucks on Suicide watch. Praise Elon.

[Anonymous No.11975000]

>>11974993
>the majority dimwit consensus on the future of spaceflight
>literal who's
death by a billion literally who's is still death

[Anonymous No.11975003]

>>11974983
>>11974978
>he's scrounging through twitter looking for random posts to get mad about and posting them on a tunisian snake taming forum

[Anonymous No.11975004]

>>11974994
These people always exist and try to stop progress, real progress not some social bullshit

[Anonymous No.11975005]

>V1.1 legs will be ~60% longer. V2.0 legs will be much wider & taller — like Falcon, but capable of landing on unimproved surfaces & auto-leveling.
RIP cute legs

[Anonymous No.11975006]

HEY you FUCKs, ASTRA is blowing up another rocket WITHIN THE HOUR. just so you know

>>11974993
twitter screencaps is a site-wide problem on 4chins

[Anonymous No.11975008]

>>11974994
These are all the people who got mad at elon for tesla or for being anti-union that are attacking him right now
>>11975000
Not if you kill the billion literally who's first.

[Anonymous No.11975010]

hop and reflight 'soon' t. elon
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290819744690507781

[Anonymous No.11975012]

>>11975006
Why the fuck is it just a tiny barely visible pale star with a tiny tail when i look at it through binoculars, i'm in the middle of rural pennsylvania

[Anonymous No.11975013]

>>11975005
>Twitter: when will you do a hop and a relight? i.e. - land and take off again?
>Elon: Soon

Can't wait

[Anonymous No.11975015]

>>11975012
because exposure time. I was looking at it in buttfuck nowhere Maine and it was just a cool lil streak too

[Anonymous No.11975016]

>>11974997
>Also Boeingcucks on Suicide watch.
CUT MY PAYLOAD INTO PIECES
THIS IS DAVE'S LAST RESORT
MUCH DELAYING
NO FUNDING
DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF MY PLANE CRASH, BURNING

[Anonymous No.11975018]

>>11974960
Bumping for the Astra launch, a very promising small satellite launcher that fits entirely within a standard shipping container.

[Anonymous No.11975021]

>>11974978
>>11974983
good times have created weak men

[Anonymous No.11975022]

>>11974930
>Of Course!

[Anonymous No.11975024]

>>11974960
Got a stream?

[Anonymous No.11975026]

>>11975006
I'm still awake, mate.

[Anonymous No.11975027]

>>11974930

[Anonymous No.11975028]

tfw

[Anonymous No.11975032]

>>11974983
This is an unprecedented level of seethe.
Looking forward to more of this.

[Anonymous No.11975034]

>>11975024
https://twitter.com/Astra/with_replies
best we have. they don't want to show off polluting Alaska again

[Anonymous No.11975035]

>>11975010
So next year?

[Anonymous No.11975038]

>>11975028
Have hope, anon.

[Anonymous No.11975043]

>>11975038
I do, today is just great

[Anonymous No.11975045]

>>11975038

[Anonymous No.11975046]

>>11975034
Dumb. Everyone worth caring about understands that this is hard.

[Anonymous No.11975048]

Elon went from tiny rocket -> large rocket -> super large rocket -> BIG FUCKING ROCKET

Mean while besos still stuck on tiny rocket in the same time span and can't even reach orbit.

[Anonymous No.11975049]

>>11974968
Aside from obtaining propellants, literally how hard can it be to build a rocket in your garage? Just get a tank, stick a nozzle at the bottom and light it up.

[Anonymous No.11975056]

>>11975049
Fill it with methane from your natural gas lines.

[Anonymous No.11975059]

>>11975049
a pressure fed rocket engine wouldn't be too difficult, still would probably take a few months of development for a single guy

[Anonymous No.11975060]

>>11975049
I've done basic model rocketry with r-candy.
I wonder if I could just scale up.

I would have to switch the r-candy to something with higher impulse though.

[Anonymous No.11975064]

>>11975000
>death by a billion literally whos
what an incredibly apt description of the current state of society

[Anonymous No.11975065]

>>11975049
>literally how hard can it be to build a rocket in your garage?
Depends on what kind of rocket you want to make. Cold gas would be easier than solid propellant, and solid propellant would be easier than liquid propellant. Liquid propellant is notoriously challenging to make on one's own. You can buy saltpeter and sugar, and make easy solid propellant.

[Anonymous No.11975066]

>>11974983
>not realizing that exploitation of space resources would restructure the global economy overnight to a resource based economy
Space exploration has been nothing but a net positive for the human race.

[Anonymous No.11975067]

>>11975060
i think he is talking about liquid propellant engines

[Anonymous No.11975071]

>>11975049
The problem is making it not become a pipebomb
That tends to be counterproductive

[Anonymous No.11975072]

>>11975067
If you're doing it in a garage, solid propellant is easier to deal with. Keep it simple.

[Anonymous No.11975073]

>>11975060
Not that anon, but I've been making solid propellant too. I'm using sugar and saltpeter with an htpb binder. Slowly getting the exact mixture down, although I wished it burned more cleanly so reusing cases would be easier.

[Anonymous No.11975080]

Colony in a box
>control tower
>Multimegawatt Integrated Fast reactor
>Regolith culvert factory
>Metal refinery
>Life support prefabs
>Harvesting and construction robots
Have that packed into a tower that sticks into the ground, let it strip mine the area and watch it assemble the stack-arcology town then just move in

[Anonymous No.11975081]

>>11975071
>The problem is making it not become a pipebomb
Just make a scaled down orion drive that uses quarter sticks of dynamite, a metal trash can, and a lawn chair.

[Anonymous No.11975082]

>>11975056
You do that. Post video.

[Anonymous No.11975083]

>>11974978
>>11974983

It's crazy that it's the fault of these people that I wasn't born in another planet and I can't fuck hookers in 0g

Jokes aside, people that put a grind on the progress of humanity should be eliminated, why? From the progress made by Colombus I am alive today, as are 1 billion people that live in the Americas right now.

Just imagine the lives they are halting.

[Anonymous No.11975085]

>>11975048
I'm going to iron on transfer a falcon 9 onto some underwear

[Anonymous No.11975086]

Astra Space 3.1 launch in under 20 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fjteMOSKrs

[Anonymous No.11975088]

>>11975073
Nice, anon. Yeah, everything burns dirty.
Do you know how high you've gotten one?

[Anonymous No.11975091]

>>11975049

Well, one flat-earther thought the same thing. He was killed trying to fly his homemade rocket.

Watch this video and tell me if it's a good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrAdayUh6-4

This is the reason rocket science is a thing. It's incredibly hard.

[Anonymous No.11975100]

>>11975072
everybody does solid propellant though, a pressure fed liquid engine built in a grage would be kino

[Anonymous No.11975101]

>>11975091

[Anonymous No.11975102]

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[Anonymous No.11975103]

>>11975083
I got into an argument with some close friends of mine recently over this. Some of them don't see the value in colonizing other planets (and they seemed to take offense at the word "colonize"). It is very frustrating and makes me want better friends. I want to hang out with people that like the idea of humanity making it past the great filter and owning the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.11975106]

>>11975102
AAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11975109]

>>11975088
>Do you know how high you've gotten one?
0 feet because I haven't launched anything yet. Just experimenting with various mixtures other than normal r-candy. Haven't gotten a mix that's energetic enough for flight, although that was partly due to me eye-balling measurements. Just got a small scale that'll measure things more accurately. A challenge when launching would be the chutes, but I think if I paint the rocket in hunter orange and launch it in the woods, then things should be fine.

[Anonymous No.11975110]

>>11975100
Solid propellant is classic. And just like Paul Dano, classics are always kino.

[Anonymous No.11975111]

>>11975103
find friends that aren't radical leftists for one thing, they don't have to even be center right, just centrists, just dont befriend people who will look for something to "cancel" you for every conversation

[Anonymous No.11975112]

>>11975005
>Why longer legs?
>Elon: I couldn't see the small ones on stream

[Anonymous No.11975113]

>>11975103
Tell them the only reason they have cellphones is space research.

[Anonymous No.11975115]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290826885375696899

[Anonymous No.11975118]

>>11975115
>We’ll do several short hops to smooth out launch process, then go high altitude with body flaps

Neat. So they want to make sure this isn't a fluke before 20km

[Anonymous No.11975119]

>>11975100
A challenge would be cooling the engine. According to my math, an entirely film-cooled ethanol+peroxide engine would need a throat diameter of at least 5 inches. So you can start there.

[Anonymous No.11975122]

>>11975102
https://youtu.be/jhyCyAwr7A4?t=14

[Anonymous No.11975123]

>>11975115
>>11975118

[Anonymous No.11975124]

>>11975111
>find friends that aren't radical leftists for one thing
I didn't think they were before, I have the impression that they have changed gradually over the recent years. Or maybe they were always like that and I just never noticed. It is really bizarre to see an educated person who against humanity spreading among the stars.

[Anonymous No.11975127]

>>11975086
on hold at T-50 for a minor issue, so not until at least 7:30 PDT (window is until 9:00)

[Anonymous No.11975128]

>>11975123
body flaps? those fins that arrived the other day?

[Anonymous No.11975129]

>>11975128
Uncertain if its THOSE fins, but thats the general idea.

[Anonymous No.11975130]

>>11975103

They are selfish, they only spit shit like that because they want to be intelectually superior, they want to feel better, just like flat-earthers.

If god exist I would thank him like crazy that these people didn't exist back when Columbus was alive, imagine your exitance being dependant on a self-centered cum slurping narcisist.

They may say "Oh but it's just my opinion", the problem is: 1. Stupid opinions spread like wildfire, and, 2. People with stupid opinions in power will do everything to make their visions be reality. I'm not saying people are forced to have children, I'm saying that going against the idea of expanding and evolving your race is wrong and prevent many people from coming to existance.

Until this day there is no great argument against space exploration.

[Anonymous No.11975132]

>>11975101
The "check your staging" banter about this launch was hilarious

[Anonymous No.11975139]

>>11975130
the anti-natalists andd neo-malthusians are ever-present, ever waiting for a chance ti strike like vipers. they would nail our feet to the floor if they could. they posess an infinte misanthropy and seem to think we are a wicked species.

[Anonymous No.11975150]

more patch kino

[Anonymous No.11975152]

>>11975139
The only way to treat a stalking snake is to cut off its head and eat it
Anticolonizers get rendered into rocket fuel and biomass for colonies

[Anonymous No.11975153]

>>11975128
This is what it's supposed to be something like at the end.

[Anonymous No.11975155]

>>11975153
except the top fins will be more permanent

[Anonymous No.11975158]

>>11974902
haha the birds are confused

[Anonymous No.11975160]

[Anonymous No.11975163]

[Anonymous No.11975167]

>>11975139
>>11975152
But what if I'm an anti-natalist neo-malthusian who wants our wicked species to conquer the known universe?

[Anonymous No.11975171]

>>11975163
>>11975160
Dang that's based.

[Anonymous No.11975175]

>>11975167
Then get into the HTL reactor so you'll be useful for once

[Anonymous No.11975177]

>>11975160
>>11975163
Bald eagles are so beautiful and majestic.

[Anonymous No.11975179]

>>11975171
Eagle motif fits the Shuttle Orbiter so well

[Anonymous No.11975180]

>>11975127
still investigating, looks like it will be at best 8 PM

[Anonymous No.11975184]

and then there's this kino

[Anonymous No.11975187]

>>11975160
>>11975163
Makes me kinda sad NASA has been trending towards international cooperation when it comes to new space operations like Artemis and the ISS. Makes it so we can’t be unabashedly American with our projects.

“Gateway” would better off as “Eagle’s Nest” or “Freedom Outpost” or something like that

[Anonymous No.11975190]

>>11975177
Wolf: Nazi Germany
Eagle: United States
Meat: Werner Von Braun

[Anonymous No.11975191]

>>11975187
>Eagle’s Nest

fuck I like that

[Anonymous No.11975193]

What's the patch for Crewed Starship Demo-2 gonna look like Bros?

[Anonymous No.11975197]

I just realized that in several years he'll be a bit awkwardly explaining during a conference that he had to meet the astronauts which returned from the first Mars trip in one of his vehicles.

[Anonymous No.11975198]

>>11975187
Eagle's Nest could still work. Golden Eagles are found throughout both continents.
Thing is, someone is gonna compare it to the Wolf's Lair and complain that it's a bit fascist.
You just know!

[Anonymous No.11975199]

>>11975193
2 white circles, a yellow circle and a black circle

[Anonymous No.11975201]

>>11975177
>>11975179
What about crows?
>Smart
>hold grudges and recognize people they have one against
>Use tools
>Everywhere in the northern hemisphere
Seems like a good symbol of man, especially on a colonization organization patch

[Anonymous No.11975202]

>>11975187
Space Station Freedom

[Anonymous No.11975205]

>>11974992
Give "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" a try. I think it's an even better work.

[Anonymous No.11975208]

this was pretty ingenious, the shape of the patch itself represents the dodecahedron, the aether upon which the Shuttle sails

[Anonymous No.11975210]

>>11975201
Corvids are cool, but they simply do not have the same cultural relevance as eagles.
Of course, cultural relevancy has to start somewhere and there's no reason we can't make a new contribution in this area...
If you go with Ravens you can make some connection to Edgar Allan Poe.
>>11975205
I've been meaning to pick up either Starship Troopers or Moon is a Harsh Mistress but I just keep getting distracted.

[Anonymous No.11975211]

>>11975167
at least that's an ethos

[Anonymous No.11975216]

>congratulations
>congratulations
>congratulations
>congratulations

[Anonymous No.11975218]

>>11975198
Hitler had an Eagle's Nest too, so I think that name is off the table.

[Anonymous No.11975227]

[Anonymous No.11975233]

[Anonymous No.11975236]

>>11975218
Oh shit, you're right.
Whelp, that name is gone.

[Anonymous No.11975237]

>>11975187
>Makes me kinda sad NASA has been trending towards international cooperation when it comes to new space operations like Artemis and the ISS.
That was one of the few ways to have a program survive across administrations.

[Anonymous No.11975239]

>However it is just the orbiter, without boosters or an external tank, as it would be at mission's end. This is to signify Discovery's completion of its operational life and the beginning of its new role as a symbol of NASA's and the nation's proud legacy in human spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.11975240]

>>11975210
Harsh Mistress is brilliant. It's one of the best books I've ever read. TANSTAAFL!

[Anonymous No.11975243]

>Omega, the last letter in the Greek alphabet, recognizes this mission as the last flight of the Space Shuttle Program.

[Anonymous No.11975244]

the shuttle stinks

[Anonymous No.11975245]

>>11975244
brap

[Anonymous No.11975246]

>>11974953
Mach diamonds are awesome bro.

[Anonymous No.11975250]

>>11975243
I know that the Shuttle was far from good, but it ending felt like NASA lost something good, and that was the beginning of the dark ages of space flight. The fact that there wasn't a replacement ready was criminally neglectful.

[Anonymous No.11975252]

>>11975111
>>11975124
It's not really an issue of left or right. One of my best friends is a genuine socialist, but also a rocket engineer and a huge Musk fan. The friend group has people of all political persuasions, but they all love space. Believe me here are plenty of people on the political left who are fed up with all this IDpol/Cancel Culture stuff.

[Anonymous No.11975259]

>>11975250
>The fact that there wasn't a replacement ready was criminally neglectful.

Thank king nigger for that one. At the very least we should have had Orion and Ares 1 ready by 2013 as a stopgap replacement.

[Anonymous No.11975260]

>>11975250
>The fact that there wasn't a replacement ready was criminally neglectful.
That's really what made it sting the most.

If something like Ares or Jupiter Direct was ready just months later to maintain flight from US soil to our own station then it would have been less painful, but that long gap was like a kick in the nuts after you were down.

In the end we got SpaceX and Falcon and everything out of it but still, far too much time wasted, languished

[Anonymous No.11975261]

>>11975216
Whats that? Locals? SpaceX? Or unrelated?

[Anonymous No.11975263]

>>11975244
The shuttle gets too much shit. It could do so much stuff, and we couldn't have built the ISS without it, or the hubble.

[Anonymous No.11975267]

>>11975250
>I know that the Shuttle was far from good

The shuttle was absolutely amazing and to this day is probably the single most ambitious space access system ever built. Seeing the size of an orbiter in person is every bit as unreal as seeing a Saturn V.

[Anonymous No.11975269]

>>11975260
Imagine if this became the replacement for the shuttle for several years as a stopgap measure, how kino would it be to ride to the ISS on an exploding stick, the deep irony of the only surviving element of the space shuttle program being its most dangerous element, that would be quintessentially American, I bet if we had a president other than Obama we would have used this just to save our pride and dignity from having to pay and be reliant on the Russians.

[Anonymous No.11975273]

>>11975261
From South Padre Island. Idk who it's by or if it was related to the launch but it's a pretty nice "cherry on top" for today

[Anonymous No.11975276]

>>11975260
>If something like Ares or Jupiter Direct was ready just months later to maintain flight from US soil to our own station then it would have been less painful, but that long gap was like a kick in the nuts after you were down.
Agreed. The Shuttle ending with no follow-up, growing up to be aware of the graveyard of cancelled projects post-Apollo, and then Constellation getting killed was what made me give up on following space flight until the first Falcon Heavy launch. It just felt like nothing happened in space flight since 1972, and that trend would continue until I'm either old or dead. That might have been true if it weren't for SpaceX (and Blue Origin to a lesser degree).

>>11975267
I meant in terms of its wider effects on space flight, and how well it achieved its goals.

[Anonymous No.11975281]

>>11975180
issue resolved, should have picked up the count by now

[Anonymous No.11975283]

>>11975269
That'll be 400 million dollars pls

[Anonymous No.11975287]

>>11975269
Don't forget the miniature hydrolox tank that killed Columbia, too. Ares 1 was basically the system that killed Challenger pushing the system that killed Columbia pushing Apollo 2.0 into orbit. Maximum oldspace kino.

[Anonymous No.11975293]

>>11975263
there's a perfect world out there where the shuttle was continuously upgraded and improved to fully take advantage of what it could do. but as it stand it stunk

[Anonymous No.11975295]

>>11975269
I've spoken with engineers on that project. They were proud of it, but it was severely hampered and they doubted that it could've been made good enough to carry people regularly. That vibration issue was particularly troublesome. Although, it was pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.11975299]

>>11975293
Replacing the orange tank and boosters with a larger Shuttle might have worked.

[Anonymous No.11975300]

>>11975260
>>11975269
Cute!
Has that old timey feel that I like.

[Anonymous No.11975301]

>>11975252
>It's not really an issue of left or right.
Not the person you're replying to, but while I think it *shouldn't* be a left or right issue, I strongly suspect the majority of the people who have a beef with Musk (or SpaceX/spaceflight in general) are on the left, and the idea of "private" spaceflight in particular is pissing them off the most

[Anonymous No.11975302]

>>11975295
Just put an oil bed between the capsule and the SRB

[Anonymous No.11975306]

>>11975293
I've said this for a while. It was criminal that they replaced Challenger with Endeavour, when what they needed to build was that "Shuttle 2.0" with a B-1 style ejection capsule and liquid-fueled strap-on boosters. Get it flying by 1995, build 2-3 of them, and it would have been perfect.

That, in turn, would have set the stage for Shuttle 3.0 in the 2010s that leveraged SpaceX style technologies and took the 2.0 shuttle and added flyback booster rockets and maybe even a smaller methalox external tank and methalox-modified SSMEs.

[Anonymous No.11975308]

>>11975287
>Ares 1 was basically the system that killed Challenger pushing the system that killed Columbia pushing Apollo 2.0 into orbit.

It's really quite something when you think about it, I almost wish it was what we went with for the sheer fuck factor of the last remnant of the shuttle surviving to still maintain bruised American pride, a blazingly fast dart piercing the heavens every time we launch a new crew to the ISS, no other country would be crazy enough to seriously consider and implement this but us, I'm kinda wishing now it had worked out like that lol

[Anonymous No.11975311]

>>11975302
That, or put the crew on suspended seats like truck drivers have.

[Anonymous No.11975312]

>>11975302
They did something similar by using a massive weight and spring system. Kinda like what skyscrapers in earthquake prone areas use to dampen oscillations. It wasn't enough.

[Anonymous No.11975313]

>>11975269
>>11975260
Ares I was a dangerous shitshow

[Anonymous No.11975315]

>>11975295
it is coming around again in the OmegA launch system, though just for military satellites.

[Anonymous No.11975317]

>>11975295
just install some vibration dampeners dudes!

[Anonymous No.11975320]

>>11975308
It was such a dirt simple concept that if it had been built, it could have very well become the American Soyuz and 20+ years from now they're still mass-producing Orion's for launches to American targets.

[Anonymous No.11975321]

>>11975313
people noted that if the Ares-I launch had been for an amateur rocketry certification, they would have failed (recovery system failure, damaging the part they intended to reuse).

[Anonymous No.11975323]

>>11975260
Don't try to abort or the plume will fuck up your parachutes.

[Anonymous No.11975324]

>>11975313
>Yeah we launch our 7 astronauts on a giant exploding candle we can't stop once we light up and hope for the best just so we don't have to rely on the Russians, whataboutit?

[Anonymous No.11975325]

>>11975315
If an ICBM guidance system can ride a solid rocket into near-orbit and still manage to put the warheads down with a 500 meter CEP then yeah some satellites should be fine riding SRBs into orbit.

[Anonymous No.11975326]

>>11975308
>>11975269
>abort procedure sent the capsule and the parachute through the flaming SRB plume
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11975331]

>>11975324
>Why yes, I went into space on a giant candle made of thermite. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.11975332]

>>11975326
That it was slightly safer than the Shuttle.

[Anonymous No.11975333]

>>11975301
With the Elon Musk hate I would absolutely agree; twitter socialists are dangerously obsessed when it comes to him. But I hear right wingers arguing against funding NASA (and by proxy SpaceX) all the time. It seems to me that the problem isn't left or right wing so much as it is narcissistic people without any concern for or dreams of humanity's future.

[Anonymous No.11975334]

>>11975323
Just go with a larger escape tower and a longer burn time that pulls the capsule out a mile or so horizontally before releasing the chutes. That would be a dirt-simple fix, relatively speaking.

[Anonymous No.11975337]

>>11975320
>it could have very well become the American Soyuz

That's so American indeed.

I'm gonna have to try this shit in KSP or something now

[Anonymous No.11975339]

>>11975334
I think the dampening system along with Orion getting heavier than expected left little remaining payload mass for a larger LES.

[Anonymous No.11975341]

Lmao this rocket got a gangsta lean on it
Looks like it's about to pour a drink lmao

[Anonymous No.11975342]

>>11975306
Too bad the Soviet Union fell. They had all sorts of plans for their Buran and Energia rocket systems. The Buran could actually land autonomously and was capable of powered flight instead of the brick mode that the shuttle did. It's what NASA should have been pursuing once the technology had been proven in the 80's.

[Anonymous No.11975343]

>>11975323
add secondary parachutes that jettison when the first ones fail!

what could go wrong!

[Anonymous No.11975344]

Eve Online with Omega time or Elite Dangerous?

[Anonymous No.11975347]

>>11975337
Just imagine watching Cosmonauts hitching rides to the ISS on it, slightly terrified of the impending prospect of riding up into orbit on an unstoppable firecracker the size of a skyscraper.

[Anonymous No.11975348]

SRB 1st stages only KSP run

[Anonymous No.11975351]

>>11975344
Factions in KSP with multiplayer mods.

[Anonymous No.11975354]

>be chink
>Send crew up in hypergolic deathtrap
>Be American
>Send crew up in SRB deathtrap
Opposite sides of the same coin

[Anonymous No.11975355]

>>11975339
The simple answer would have been to abandon, if only temporarily, the lunar ambitions for Orion and go with a far smaller and lighter service module like Boeing did for Starliner.

[Anonymous No.11975358]

>>11975354
>Be Chink
>Drop spent stages on own villages
>Be American
>Drop spent stages on Atlantis

[Anonymous No.11975359]

>>11975337
I'm imagining a deep and thorough inspection of every SRB segment and the whole stack before each flight, and if one thing looks off they "pop" it off while leaving the 2nd, 3rd, etc stages suspended and lower them onto a ready and fully inspected SRB stack, without the Orbiter to take care of NASA would have a lot less of the craft to monitor and safety check and could devote more attention to SRB's

Also no tank means no awkward configuration, the crew vehicle isn't just mere meters away from the SRB's like with the Shuttle

[Anonymous No.11975361]

>>11975354
You now remember the Gemini astronauts joking about how it's a good thing they never had to abort because it would have meant being ejected out into a cloud of N2O4 and Aerozine 50 with nothing but their oxygen-saturated spacesuit to protect them.

[Anonymous No.11975365]

>>11975361
But, what if... Big Gemini?

[Anonymous No.11975366]

>>11975326
>abort procedure was RTLS

[Anonymous No.11975367]

>>11975103
>Being friends with death worshippers

[Anonymous No.11975369]

>>11975359
If what happened to Challenger happened to Ares 1, you'd just have some burn-through of the SRB hampering performance while the upper stage had to burn longer to compensate for it.

[Anonymous No.11975372]

>>11975139
>Antinatalists

A self-correcting issue if there ever was one.

[Anonymous No.11975373]

>>11975365
>You don't have to worry about ejecting your astronauts into the hypergolic cloud of death left behind by a booster failure if they don't even have ejection seats in the first place

[Anonymous No.11975374]

>>11975369
I thought the O-ring burst and the SRB exploded?

[Anonymous No.11975378]

>>11975373
But bruh...

GLIDERS AND SKIS

[Anonymous No.11975380]

>>11975333
Agree, it's less of a political standing thing and more of a "musk bad" thing.

This is actually one reason why I'm hoping Blue Origin gets its act together soon. The more companies there are involved in modern spaceflight, the harder it is for any group or individual to shit on.

[Anonymous No.11975381]

>>11975374
Nah, the O-ring leaked and sent a hot jet of SRB exhaust into the external tank, which then quickly exploded. Both SRBs remained intact which was why they both flew away from the explosion.

[Anonymous No.11975384]

>>11975374
The o ring let a plume of burning SRB propellants shot directly into the orange fuel tank, which punctured the lmao hudrolox and caused a big explosion
The two SRBs actually survived, and flew up uncontrolled for a few minutes after failure

[Anonymous No.11975386]

>>11975381
>>11975384
Oh right, I forgot and just remembered that footage of the SRB's twisting around.

That means in some sense Ares 1 design is LESS DEADLY than the fucking Space Shuttle...

[Anonymous No.11975387]

>>11975380
>"Ugh fuck wealthy corporations trying to c*lonize space."
You know this will be a reaction they'll have, and it will be hilarious to see it fall to deaf ears when moon/Mars bases become a thing.

[Anonymous No.11975388]

*pomf*
:)

[Anonymous No.11975390]

>>11975128
I think he is refering to the hexagonal grill things at the top of first stage.

[Anonymous No.11975393]

>>11975390
So did Astra scrub?

[Anonymous No.11975394]

>>11975281
New T-0 at 8:50

[Anonymous No.11975395]

>>11975390
Sorry, didn't mean to quote.

[Anonymous No.11975397]

>>11975386
Every problem of the space shuttle came from it's retarded fuckhuge fuel tank

[Anonymous No.11975400]

>>11975344
eve if you want to have fun shitposting and blowing things up with frens
elite if you want to space trucking and explore galaxy by yourself

[Anonymous No.11975401]

>>11975390
Starship doesn't have gridfins, just superheavy. he's talking about the aero surfaces

[Anonymous No.11975402]

>>11975387
It's such a backwards and myopic point of view.

I don't think they hold it with any conviction though. Once space stations, moon bases, etc are commonplace and people they know are making regular trips to off-earth labs for research and work, they'll do a 180° and decide commercial spaceflight is the best thing ever.

[Anonymous No.11975403]

>>11975397
to the point that removing the tank and getting off Earth with an SRB alone is actually technically safer, that's amazing

[Anonymous No.11975405]

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1290847030777020416?s=20

Astra back on

[Anonymous No.11975407]

>>>/wsg/3572579

Another camera

[Anonymous No.11975408]

>>11975405
you mean scrubbed

[Anonymous No.11975410]

>>11975405
>Propellant loading is going slower than planned, and we won't have enough time to finish the load and launch before the end of the window (9pm PT). Unfortunately, we will have to scrub today.

[Anonymous No.11975415]

Just found out this existed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_%28rocket%29

[Anonymous No.11975416]

>>11975378
To bad we never got to see something like this.

[Anonymous No.11975421]

>>11975415
>launch cost is nearly 4x as much as Falcon9, yet still lower payload to orbit
YIKES

[Anonymous No.11975422]

>>11975102
We know you lurk, Eric.

[Anonymous No.11975424]

How much delta/v does it cost to get into a polar “orbit” around earth returning from an equatorial moon orbit?

[Anonymous No.11975427]

>yo dawg I heard you like SRB's so I put some SRB's on your SRB

[Anonymous No.11975432]

>>11975424
Basically the same as going from an equatorial Moon orbit to an equatorial Earth orbit, the fact that you're already so far from Earth and needing to slow down in order to drop close to Earth makes even a 180 degree inclination change not that expensive, let alone 90.

[Anonymous No.11975435]

>>11975421
>launch cost is nearly 4x as much as Falcon9, yet still lower payload to orbit
based government contractors

[Anonymous No.11975437]

>>11975432
I figured. It’s typically really easy to perform a burn when you enter a SOI in KSP to change your inclination to a polar one due to the lower velocities, even when arriving from interplanetary space. Something I recently figured out how to do was entering docking mode and activating RCS to perform very small correction burns in transit too fine to use the main thruster for.

[Anonymous No.11975438]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0

[Anonymous No.11975440]

new SpaceX vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0

[Anonymous No.11975441]

>>11975438
Jesus Christ lmao

[Anonymous No.11975444]

>>11975438
>OOOHHH OMNISSIAH, III'MMM HHHOOOOPPPPIIINNNGGG!!!

[Anonymous No.11975456]

>>11975438
I see that the Raptor was just a tad bit on fire. Looks like it had a much better time than Hoppy, though.

[Anonymous No.11975457]

>>11974902

Just realized this thread is here, so, uh: >>11975453

[Anonymous No.11975458]

>>11975438
This shit is better than sex

[Anonymous No.11975459]

>>11975438
Sure, SpaceX has low-cost and reusability, but do they have T-I-G-E-R-S?

[Anonymous No.11975460]

>>11975438
Why is the engine on fire? That's not nominal.

[Anonymous No.11975462]

If Kerolox BTFOs hydrolox, Solid Fuel, and Hypergolics to LEO so much, why did it only become popular in the last decade?

[Anonymous No.11975463]

>>11975460
The fact that it still worked even on fire is impressive. It's a tough engine.

Let's hope they figure out why that happened and SN 6 is less flamey.

[Anonymous No.11975464]

>>11975460
Nominal enough for it to work.

[Anonymous No.11975466]

>>11975440
>casually annihilating the test stand on the way up
Nice

[Anonymous No.11975467]

>>11975460
where we're going we don't need nominal

[Anonymous No.11975469]

>>11975466
Just noticed that lmao.

[Anonymous No.11975471]

>>11975438
>>11975440

[Anonymous No.11975472]

>>11975467
>the first brave crew of Starship, circa 2025

[Anonymous No.11975473]

>>11975462
the short version of the story is, NASA ran down a dead end (and Ariane followed them). meanwhile the Russians built good kerolox engines

real question is why nobody was building methane engines until now

[Anonymous No.11975474]

>>11974953

Byproduct of a raptor burning is CO2 and water, whilst RP1 produces hydrocarbons (bad for the environment), carbon monoxide (bad for the environment), nitrogen oxides (somewhat bad for the environment), and some water with trace unreacted hydrogen.

The MethalOx full flow of Raptor in addition to being extremely efficient and high thrust producing, is also the cleanest burning rocket engine to date. During the day, you get a bit of a pink flame because of the way the light refracts through flame and residual water, but at night, you'd get a beautiful blue-green flame with pink tips (at the location of the mach diamonds, where the thrust is concentrated by atmospheric pressure the maximum).

[Anonymous No.11975478]

>>11975469
>Your services are no longer required

[Anonymous No.11975479]

>>11975478
>expendable launch pads
So SLS had it right this entire time?

[Anonymous No.11975481]

>those beautiful mach diamonds
>that clean blue flame
>those cute little legs

is this the most kawaii rocket yet?

[Anonymous No.11975487]

>>11974978

>Mars and Moon will end up like Earth
>Moon has no fucking atmosphere, no native oxygen, nitrogen, or water in atmosphere
>Mars is most carbon dioxide, hydrogen, a whole lotta brine, and loads of O2 trapped in the mountains; though there is a staggering amount of water ice at the poles, but that would take a large engineering effort to unlock all things considered

I wish you could slap people across the internet. How do you not have any critical thinking skills that you cannot apply the earth to other celestial bodies. That you literally can't pollute other planets like you do the Earth, because on Earth planets, every drop of oxygen and water is fucking precious and countries spend BILLIONS of dollars in researching and developing technology to maximally recycle each and every single resource produced or put off world?!

I hate most people.

[Anonymous No.11975492]

>>11975487

>on NON-Earth Planets*

[Anonymous No.11975497]

>>11975478

[Anonymous No.11975500]

>>11975497
I wonder what exactly exploded there

[Anonymous No.11975505]

>>11975035

No, SN8 is nearly build ready. They just have to start stacking the rings, attach V1.1 legs and address all the concerns gathered from data of SN5's hop's raptor to 3 new Raptor builds, then get them out to Boca Chica, mount them and fly. In the time it takes that, work with FAA to get a 20km launch permit, and work with the Range to get a NOTAM window set around Boca Chica (basically SN8 has to fly over land (inland) to then boost towards the landing zone to do the belly flop where it ultimately does the swing and reset to landing pad).

All in all, I'd assume mid October. If they did it on Halloween, that'd be next level.

[Anonymous No.11975506]

>>11975408
Responsive launch, they said

[Anonymous No.11975509]

Have some landing legs

[Anonymous No.11975512]

IF YOU ENTER AN ATMOSPHERE MATCHING THE ROTATION OF THE PLANET, DO YOU NEGATE ENTRY BURN?

[Anonymous No.11975514]

>>11975038

I hope that SpaceX unlocks asteroid mining for the world, which leads to Middle Lunar Orbit (MLO) and Middle Mars Orbit (MMO) rings that wrap around the planet. 100m deep, 1km tall, wrapped around the planet.

[Anonymous No.11975516]

>>11975509
Is the engine supposed to be um.... on fire like that?

[Anonymous No.11975517]

>>11975509
>that flame
My guess is that someone left something flammable on the engine before launch and the hot exhaust getting forced up under the skirt during launch set whatever it was on fire.

[Anonymous No.11975521]

>>11975500
Looks like a COPV

[Anonymous No.11975523]

>>11975509
They're so cute

[Anonymous No.11975525]

>>11975512
You would still be falling down.

[Anonymous No.11975529]

>>11975516
The landing put it out, it's fine
Don't worry about it
No concern at all

[Anonymous No.11975532]

>>11975509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdEFCzMNPa0

[Anonymous No.11975535]

>>11975487
People will be landing on Mars as the average IQ plummets to an all-time low. Wonder how long this trend can last before the Elons are outnumbered by the Alfonsos and society becomes totally inhospitable to any endeavours that don't involve ending climate change or world hunger

[Anonymous No.11975543]

>>11975471
Looks like something on the mount blew up.

[Anonymous No.11975547]

>>11975535
>before the Elons are outnumbered by the Alfonsos
wut

[Anonymous No.11975549]

>>11975543

GSE umbilical likely. One of the fuel lines that might have trace methane around. Enough that the Raptor's thrust plume coupled with the sheer downwards compression from the burn, created conditions to ignite the source. I think we got extremely lucky that the explosion didn't damage the engine and destroy the vehicle. They're definitely going to have to update the GSE so that it cuts off fuel and then does some kind of a nitrogen purge to create a dead space around the rocket's exhaust cone to prevent secondary ignition.

[Anonymous No.11975551]

>>11975547
elon = elon musk. alfonso = the guy who wrote that tweet. what's confusing

[Anonymous No.11975555]

>>11975551
>what's confusing
Me being drunk and needing some sleep.

[Anonymous No.11975556]

>>11975509
Fire looks like it's coming from the methane turbopump. Not something that can just be brushed off.

[Anonymous No.11975557]

>>11975535

The window of opportunity is 2050-2060 to establish a strong off-world transport infrastructure that's fully reusable and scaled out. After that climactic changes will lead to mass migrations, in turn driving social upheavals, potential wars, and other factors which will greatly mute non military innovations.

[Anonymous No.11975559]

>>11975557
Having a base on Mars is absolutely a military innovation.

[Anonymous No.11975561]

>>11975556
>just some big fucking pistons for thrust vector control
bruh wtf
is this how its normally done

[Anonymous No.11975562]

>>11975557
more like 2020-2030, shit's accelerating and the window is narrowing

[Anonymous No.11975565]

>>11975555
Based response, based quads, based post all around.

[Anonymous No.11975566]

>>11974978
AYO HOL UP ELON

[Anonymous No.11975567]

>>11975556

Yeah, it needs addressing. That said, the fire is methane burning with oxygen which is producing water vapor (potentially muting the flame itself). Additionally, all lines feeding into the engine, are for the most part going to be super chilled due to the nature of the fuel. Finally, there's all the wind that's being generated from the engine below creating atmospheric vortices, potentially preventing from fuel for the fire to collect and expand. So there's a three for one effect that is likely preventing that flame from becoming greater. Considering that this was their second 150m hop, and with an engine that's radically different than the one that flew on the Starhopper, it's not exceedingly dangerous to the flight.

[Anonymous No.11975569]

>>11975566
>he left South Africa
>he is leaving earf
How can one man be so based?

[Anonymous No.11975572]

>>11975410
Of all the things that could've went wrong, the propellant was loading too slow? How does that happen?

[Anonymous No.11975575]

>>11975555

[Anonymous No.11975579]

>>11975557
>mass migrations causing social unrest and wars
>only hope is space colonies
sounds like a generic scifi plot

[Anonymous No.11975581]

>>11974916
i don't get why the MSM hates him. He's literally doing more for humanity's future than any other billionaire except bezos (who is way behind and shooting for a different habitation concept)

[Anonymous No.11975583]

>>11975579
>>only hope is space colonies
Well we could also nuke them. The future is walled America building space colonies while everyone else fights civil wars against jogger uprisings.

[Anonymous No.11975584]

>>11975572
the car battery we were running the pump off of died and we couldn't find a charged one

[Anonymous No.11975585]

>>11975566
>>11975569
If Apartheid never ended, and South Africa didn't go to shit, he probably never would have come to America to make rockets lmao

[Anonymous No.11975586]

>>11975557
>>11975562
I've been very concerned about the Doomsday Argument as of late.

[Anonymous No.11975588]

>>11975584
>we

[Anonymous No.11975589]

>>11974973
eh, he wouldn't bother. SLS is going to get like a single launch in before starship makes it irrelevant

[Anonymous No.11975590]

>>11975474
>but at night, you'd get a beautiful blue-green flame with pink tips (at the location of the mach diamonds, where the thrust is concentrated by atmospheric pressure the maximum).

damn imagine the kino night launches

[Anonymous No.11975591]

>>11975497

[Anonymous No.11975592]

bros i need another hop
I NEED TO HOOOOOOOOPPPP

[Anonymous No.11975593]

>>11975592
>bros i need another hop
>I NEED TO HOOOOOOOOPPPP

[Anonymous No.11975594]

>>11975584
kek

[Anonymous No.11975596]

>>11975556
what a complicated mess of plumbing and valves.

non-rocket space launches when

[Anonymous No.11975599]

>>11975596
That's a nice mega structure you have there. It'd be a real shame if someone flew a plane into that.

[Anonymous No.11975601]

>>11975596
Bridge from Japan to LA when?

[Anonymous No.11975602]

>>11975505
No way would they let them fly that thing over land. Probably go out over the ocean then a dogleg back onto the pad similar to what Falcon 9 does.

[Anonymous No.11975603]

>>11975592
Would be crazy if their turnaround is quick enough for another one tomorrow or Thursday based on Elon's tweets and the fact that they still have road closures and NOTAMs scheduled for those days.

[Anonymous No.11975604]

>>11975579

The thing with space colonies is that even if you setup a system for off-world colonization, to GET people off world, anyone who rides a rocket has to be reasonably physically fit. From launch to orbit, you need to be able to tolerate up to 3Gs worth of force and either NOT die or NOT suffer some kind of an internal injury that needs addressing in space that has a 50% chance of killing you. Earth's gravity well is QUITE deep, as a result, the cost of getting mass off world is significant. People are mass, their value is determinant to their mass. This means, fat fucks won't be allowed to fly on rockets for several basic reasons.

1. Even if they could afford to pay for their mass, their intrinsic mass is equal to several others

2. 3G of downward force on a fat fuck is physiologically more damaging than to someone who's not fat and is rather fit.

3. A fat person will consume 2-3x as much food and water in space, while producing an equivalent amount of waste, which most systems aren't designed in handling. From a recycling of materials perspective, it's an edge case that no one wants normalized. Further, from a recycling perspective, the energy cost to recycle that material is more than desired.

4. A fat person will consume more oxygen and produce more carbon dioxide than a normal, fit, fit person.

5. A fat person will occupy more physical space than a normal, fit, person.

6. A fat person will be more prone to physiological issues than a normal, fit, person

7. In the event of an emergency, a fat fuck will consume more medical attention (intellectual capacity on a ship) AND medical resources (physical goods) than a normal person.

8. In the event of some sickness, when your body goes into fight or flight to stave off an infection, the body naturally prioritizes your well being OVER anything else. This means it will consume more calories and water to replace what it has lost. A fat person will consume EVEN more.

1-2.0 Colonies = fit people only.

[Anonymous No.11975609]

>>11975438
The engine flame orange like hopper. Nice

[Anonymous No.11975610]

>>11975460
It's cosplaying as a Delta IV Heavy

[Anonymous No.11975615]

>>11975604
no one will say it out loud but yeah,space is no place for fatties.

Expect the fat studies crowd to eventually make a big stink.

[Anonymous No.11975616]

>>11975610
>(user was cost-plussed for this post)

[Anonymous No.11975617]

>>11975609
didn't flame orange*

[Anonymous No.11975621]

>>11975603
Doubt it, the stand blew up.

[Anonymous No.11975623]

>>11975505
>3 new Raptor builds
Why don't they just use some of the existing Raptors?

[Anonymous No.11975624]

>>11975586

https://dipika.carto.com/builder/81411ae5-ba54-4470-92e2-0bead7b62e21/embed?state={"map"%3A{"ne"%3A[38.315801006824984%2C-78.63052368164064]%2C"sw"%3A[39.64693991041216%2C-75.21377563476564]%2C"center"%3A[38.984499048300435%2C-76.92214965820314]%2C"zoom"%3A10}}

Here's what the capital of burgerland will look like by 2050 with the current climatic change path. A probable 3.2C increase over baseline. The equator and further south areas see a lesser degree of temperature change 1-1.5C, but you have to understand that the 1-1.5C in equatorial waters affects the entire area and in turn fuels the generation of stronger storms. Finally, water in general, is a massive, MASSIVE, GINORMOUS, FUCK HUEG energy sink. There's a reason why it's considered an excellent material source to block radiation over even lead for example, and why spent (highly radioactive) fuel rods are stored in giant pools of water. So when the Bahamas for example experience a 1.5C temperature change over 50 years, you're talking about storing of 1.5 degrees celsius worth of solar energy across several ten thousand square kilometers of water up to 30m deep. The kind of energy that would make category 5 hurricanes more common than they are currently. The kind of energy that could make category 5 hurricanes less frequent, but the acceleration from cat 1 to 5 become a matter of 24-36 hours instead of several days along a path, and once they get to Cat 5, they just sustain it all the way deep into land.

These additional changes also means that there would be more water vapor around coastal areas for tropical systems that crawl up the coast to soak up and dump back onto land, leading to more frequent flooding conditions. This in turn impacts local and state economics, leading to rising cost of land ownership, home ownership, insurance for homes and vehicles for flood--in turn driving up cost of living and wage requirements. It's a major vicious circle bruh, all created by a 1-1.5C degree increase

[Anonymous No.11975625]

>>11975473
>real question is why nobody was building methane engines until now

Hypergolics beat the shit out of methalox engines in the "simple tankage, mid-tier ISP" game. You could argue that methalox has risen to prominence specifically because of private spaceflight being risk-averse and wanting to stay away from cancer juice rockets at a time when most state-level space programs have been stepping away from hypergolics as well.

Also, western oldspace has been autistically obsessed about minmaxing ISP via staging since the 60s, which meant that for non-toxic rockets they stuck to kerolox for high thrust/weight and hydrolox for muh ISP, is why the Atlas family and Saturn IV/V both involved kerolox 1st stages and hydrolox upper stages, and is why the shuttle and its spiritual descendants like the Ariane V and the Delta IV both used SRB 1st stages pushing a hydrolox sustainer stage.

[Anonymous No.11975626]

>>11975604
If you have the money to go to Mars, just get a gastric bypass and stick to keto.

[Anonymous No.11975627]

>>11975462
Kerolox has been used on more rockets than any other propellant combo. The entire R-7 rocket family uses kerolox.

[Anonymous No.11975628]

>>11975621
They need to build a proper stand with a flame trench that raptor exhaust is no joke

[Anonymous No.11975632]

>>11975627
Don't forget the Atlas and Saturn families stateside.

[Anonymous No.11975633]

>>11975556
Does the warm methane from the nozzle wall go on to turn the turbopump?

[Anonymous No.11975634]

>it hopped
20km when

[Anonymous No.11975636]

>>11975628
These Starship test stands are the philosophical antithesis of Russians and that massive "you could launch a Saturn V off that thing!" launch stand/flame trench setup that they use for tiny-ass Soyuz.

[Anonymous No.11975639]

>>11975512
No, you'd only be shaving ~1000 km/h off of a total velocity of over 27,000 km/h

[Anonymous No.11975641]

>>11975467
first crew of starship interstellar, circa 2040 before activating the gateway

[Anonymous No.11975642]

>>11975633
it gets combined with liquid oxygen from the oxygen turbopump to burn really fuel-rich, and spin the turbine. resulting turbine exhaust is what gets sent to the main chamber as the fuel-rich half of the combustion inputs.

[Anonymous No.11975646]

>>11975561
Yes, how else would you do it

[Anonymous No.11975649]

>>11975561
this is how it has always been done

[Anonymous No.11975651]

>>11975646
I always imagined it something more like pic related, but I guess with a fixed nozzle you can get away with just the two actuators
still looks weird as fuck though

[Anonymous No.11975652]

>>11975596
>what a complicated mess of plumbing and valves.
>Vastly more complex and less economically viable technology when?

[Anonymous No.11975656]

>>11975596
because a megastructure is supposed to be less complicated than a mass produced rocket engine?

[Anonymous No.11975657]

>>11975625
>Also, western oldspace has been autistically obsessed about minmaxing ISP via staging since the 60s, which meant that for non-toxic rockets they stuck to kerolox for high thrust/weight and hydrolox for muh ISP, is why the Atlas family and Saturn IV/V both involved kerolox 1st stages and hydrolox upper stages
To be fair that worked really fucking well for the Saturn.
the shuttle and its spiritual descendants like the Ariane V and the Delta IV both used SRB 1st stages pushing a hydrolox sustainer stage.
Also the Japanese H-II family. The good news is that the BEEG SRB style ones like the Shuttle and Ariane make it easier to switch out something else for a chemical rocket if we get something that beats hydrolox on Isp and weight but can't self-lift.

[Anonymous No.11975658]

>>11975596
someone really typed this post

[Anonymous No.11975662]

>>11975615
>>11975604
>>11975626

The only way fatties are getting off world is when they invent anti-gravity tech, that compensates for their mass differences or when fusion torches for lifting spaceships from ground to trans injection orbit to anywhere becomes cheap. The probability of fusion torches becoming a reality to facilitate that in the next 50 years is plausible. But that just means that for 50 years of colonizing, anyone that spurs it and sponsors it, can basically say: "to be a citizen of colony Anon is Not a Fag, you must be able to do 1/2/3/4 as a dude at 0.5/1.5/2.5/3.5 as chick during the ages of 20 and 40." And because it's space, or off world, you can do that and no one can really stop you. It's not like countries will be able to launch space police out to handle each and every colony. On top of that, most colonies for the first 10-20 years of their life, will involve a lot of cross discipline behavior and a great deal of physical labor--even with automation supplanting 75% of it. It probably won't be until 2075-2100, that colonies stop having sedentary populations exceeding fit populations.

Any system that's not part of the Earth biosphere and leverages a recycling system with energy capture and transfer through external means or is leveraged complimentary to internal systems, will likely maintain a physical fitness requirement to be participatory. As such, a fit utopia will be a thing for at least 50 years.

[Anonymous No.11975663]

>tfw the 1950's had it right the whole time

[Anonymous No.11975665]

>>11975634
Soon™- Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.11975669]

>>11975657
My favorite was the Titan III, 34, and IV families where it launched on SRB power alone for the 0th stage and air-ignited the hypergolic core stage at T +3 minutes right before the STBs shut off and we're jettisoned.

[Anonymous No.11975675]

>>11975651

Thrust vectoring is the future, no matter what. But it's very cost prohibitive right now. It's more efficient to gimbal the entire engine and work on improving the efficiency curve of the propellant to thrust, before pursuing these exotic methods. That said, thrust vectoring research, development, and engineering will REALLY take off on Mars with it's thinner atmosphere and 2/3rds Earth gravity allowing for lighter materials coupled with a greater degree of vectoring in atmosphere.

I'm secretly hopeful for a Macross/Yukikaze future.

[Anonymous No.11975679]

>>11975651
That's literally just hydraulic actuator with extra steps.
Jet engines get away with shape-altering nozzles because their exhaust is cold compared to a rocket's and the efficiency they lose by having a funky shaped nozzle isn't that big a deal on a 3000 Isp jet engine, but it is a HUGE deal on a roughly 1/10th as efficient rocket engine. Also, since the biggest part of a rocket engine is the nozzle, whereas the nozzle of a jet engine is very small, in the rocket's case it simply makes more sense to just swivel the entire engine on a thrust pivot and have flexible propellant lines connecting it to the tanks.

[Anonymous No.11975680]

>>11975663
>half a century of throwing away rockets to heft dinky bits for half-assed missions
Which necks get the rope

[Anonymous No.11975686]

>>11975651
Rockets are much, much smaller than jet engines for a given amount of thrust, and as such, it makes far more sense to just mount them on gimbals and use hydraulics to point the entire engine wherever you want the thrust to go.

Jet engines, otoh, are fuckhuge air tunnels that an entire fighter jet's airframe is practically wrapped around, and they're way, way too big to actuate the whole thing, which is why you see the horrifically complex TVC nozzles that you do on F-22s and the Flanker family.

[Anonymous No.11975688]

>>11975675
I don't know if it's practical for rockets, though. The pressure delta is wayyyy too much for a reasonably weighted motor to actuate against, adding huge amounts of weight and unnecessary complexity. If you can gimbal the whole engine you add relatively little mass, but for vectoring like a modern fighter, you need to add actuators, an alternator to power it, tons of static hardware, and for what benefit?

At best the most efficient design would be an aerospike whose spike moved up and down based on pressure differential, like the intake shock cone of an SR-71

[Anonymous No.11975692]

>>11975680
NIxon. He cut the funding, but congress is to blame. He just didn't listen to NASA like his predecessors had since we beat the sovs to the nearest goal post.

[Anonymous No.11975693]

>>11975663
There were some incredibly smart people thinking very hard about spaceflight in the 50s. They just didn't have the technology to follow through on their designs. Look at this design from 1957. Replace that gay ass cesium ion drive with MHD thrusters or VASIMR and suddenly you can go scooting around Mars and the Belt. You can also carry a Starship around as a reusable lander.

[Anonymous No.11975698]

>>11975679

You forgot that a jet engine's chamber pressure is also a tiny fraction of a rocket's and as such you can get away with all sorts of weird exhaust nozzles that *don't* melt themselves to pieces.

[Anonymous No.11975699]

Here's a conspiracy theory my brain just farted out:

"Outer space does not exist and is actually a contrivance by the Allies of WWII made to terrorize the London populace and to spread anti-German sentiment. This is because if the V2 missiles could actually reach so-called 'outer-space', then surely one should've reached London."

[Anonymous No.11975700]

>the ISS will have 10 people on it starting in October
I know it's temporary but how long will they keep it like that?

[Anonymous No.11975702]

>>11975699
Delete this post before you give them ideas.

[Anonymous No.11975703]

>>11975699
be careful not to commit suicide by gunshot to the back of head if you know what i mean

[Anonymous No.11975704]

>>11975663
The only reason why we didn't get Thunderbird 3 or the Tintin rocket was that writers in the 50s couldn't imagine the pushback towards nuclear that we'd see in the 60s, and all of those classic 50s rocket designs were more or less predicted on nuclear propulsion.

[Anonymous No.11975707]

>>11975699
*New York City

[Anonymous No.11975709]

/space tugs/ when?

Seriously, when are they going to have space tugs working to place satellites coming from ride share launches? It's going to be a billion dollar industry and these niggas sleepin'.

[Anonymous No.11975711]

>>11975688

>and for what benefit?

For one, you'd couple that with very strong and light weight meta materials discovered and mass produced over the next 20-30 years. Additionally, if you could gimbal an entire engine and then vector thrust additional on top of that gimballing, the vectored movement you could achieve would allow for an enormous level of freedom in a 3 dimensional sphere. Then you'd spend a lot of time allowing you to gimbal and vector rapidly (hundreds of thousands to millions of times without failure). You pull that off, and you can basically launch a 500T payload carrying in the middle of a hurricane and cruise through to orbit with ZERO issues, because the engine and actuators are vectoring thrust to compensate for the winds.

[Anonymous No.11975713]

>>11975675
>I'm secretly hopeful for a Macross/Yukikaze future.
>tfw space colonies are real and idols have made a huge comeback
Alien invasion is imminent bros

[Anonymous No.11975715]

>>11975709
Probably when starship is operational. Right now we're more limited by fairing volume than weight.

[Anonymous No.11975719]

>>11975709

30 years. 10 years for SpaceX to establish a robust infrastructure for pushing large volumes of mass off world. Another 10 years for other companies to play catch up. 10 years for money to move from ground to LEO/MEO to establish space trucking enterprises.

>>11975713

Macross Delta is garbage. It had like 2-3 good songs. The dog fighting and story were ass; protag was mediocre. Frontier aka SDF Macross & DYRL with a fresh coat of modern paint is where its at.

forever and ever.

[Anonymous No.11975720]

>>11975709
Northrop Grumman and whoever designed the NRO tug that they pitched as a temporary service module for the ISS in the 90s will beat everyone else to it.

[Anonymous No.11975721]

>>11975713
>Alien invasion is imminent bros
We already solved that one.

[Anonymous No.11975722]

>no shock diamonds in vacuum
this is how you know god is either nonexistent or malevolent

[Anonymous No.11975724]

>>11975722

Mach diamonds are only possible in atmosphere anon. At least try to be not autistic in what you say.

[Anonymous No.11975725]

>>11975680
It's not like they could have built F9 in the 70's. Until the last 10-20 years the on-board avionics capability just wasn't there yet.

[Anonymous No.11975726]

>>11975724
he doesn't understand what a vaccuum is and what pressure does

[Anonymous No.11975728]

>>11975724
If there was a loving and benevolent god they would be possible everywhere

[Anonymous No.11975729]

>>11975724
>>11975726
I think you guys missed the joke.

[Anonymous No.11975734]

>>11975728
Anon, the solar wind and interstellar medium are thick enough to make magnetic sails viable as drag/shield devices at interplanetary/interstellar velocities respectively. We can have space pirates with sails and nuclear reactors on the same ships.

[Anonymous No.11975737]

>>11975725
just fly it by hand bro

[Anonymous No.11975738]

>>11975725
Don't forget modern FADEC tech which is also a post-2000 development.

[Anonymous No.11975739]

>>11975737
that works on the moon, but not in 1G+atmosphere

[Anonymous No.11975742]

>>11975725
They could have done engine recovery like the Vulcan in the 70s

[Anonymous No.11975743]

>>11975739
sounds like you're just not a good pilot

[Anonymous No.11975745]

>>11975734

>mfw Alastair Reynolds' Revenger and Shadow Captain books are basically the adult and morally grey version of Treasure Planet (but limited in scope to Sol, but with a 100,000 years of rise and fall of hyper advanced empires)

[Anonymous No.11975747]

>>11975742
Valid point. But I don't think anyone gave a shit. Rockets were almost always initially developed as ICBM's... in which case the government doesn't give a fuck about reusability. They had an unlimited budget from the DoD and all they needed to care about was high reliability

[Anonymous No.11975751]

>>11975739
>Tfw you're the pilot in charge of booster flyback

[Anonymous No.11975753]

>>11975747
To land a rocket you need trial and error, which means either your pilots or your computers are going to keep exploding along with your engines, tanks, and landing legs. The computers didn't exist until the 2010s. Arguably they still don't so Elon just has three Linux PCs in a consensus cluster for fault catching.

[Anonymous No.11975767]

>>11975457
>SSTO
aAAAHHHHHH anon please it's a dead horse, although I appreciate the effort

[Anonymous No.11975768]

>>11975698
The melting has nothing to do with pressure, it's all temperature. A jet engine's combustion chamber can be hot enough to melt iron, requiring advanced alloys and even ceramics to withstand. Rocket engine combustion chambers easily exceed temperatures hot enough to BOIL iron, meaning that no materials at all can directly withstand that environment, requiring high thermal conductivity materials with high coolant mass flow rate, or low thermal conductivity ablative materials, or curtains of unburned propellant to provide regional cooling, or any combination.

[Anonymous No.11975774]

>>11975709
Once we have propulsion systems with Isp in the 10,000 to 100,000 range but TWR less than 1 so they can't just be directly used for launching payloads.

[Anonymous No.11975776]

>>11975768
I'm drunk, I meant to say "blow to pieces" instead of "melt to pieces"

[Anonymous No.11975779]

>>11975725
>Until the last 10-20 years the on-board avionics capability just wasn't there yet.
Delta Clipper flew in the 90's, we've had the tech for almost 30 years.

[Anonymous No.11975781]

has rocket lab fixed their shit yet

[Anonymous No.11975783]

>>11975781
They say they have

[Anonymous No.11975785]

>>11975779
Buran could land itself and that was 70s tech, basically.
Hell we could have made it to orbit in the 30s. The A4 wasn't too spiffy really

[Anonymous No.11975786]

>>11975781
yeah, they were able to increase payload to 300 kilograms from 225 kilograms due to better batteries i think too

[Anonymous No.11975787]

>>11975516
Back in the days of DC-3s and other piston airliners, engines catching fire happened all the time.

[Anonymous No.11975789]

>>11975786
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1290679270310703104

[Anonymous No.11975792]

>>11975785
Horizontal landings are very different from powered vertical landings.

[Anonymous No.11975794]

>>11975091
Not him but that guy was also a notorious retard. I feel like there's at least a few hardcore barely functioning autists here that could really pull off something crazy if given the time and materials.

[Anonymous No.11975796]

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/news/updates/rocket-lab-increases-electron-payload-capacity-enabling-interplanetary-missions-and-reusability/
Damn, thats pretty cool. I've always liked Rocket Lab.

[Anonymous No.11975799]

>>11975781
>>11975783
Along with a payload boost to 300kg. Price per cubesat should come down a bit.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/news/updates/rocket-lab-increases-electron-payload-capacity-enabling-interplanetary-missions-and-reusability/

>Long Beach, California. August 4, 2020 – Rocket Lab, a satellite manufacturer and the global leader in dedicated small satellite launch, has today announced a major performance increase to the Electron launch vehicle, boosting the company’s payload lift capacity up to 300 kg (660 lbs).

>The increased payload mass capacity has primarily been made possible through advances in the battery technology that powers Rutherford’s electric pumps. Since Rocket Lab’s maiden launch in 2017, the Electron launch vehicle has boasted a payload lift capacity of 150 kg to 500 km to Sun- synchronous orbits (SSO), with a maximum lift capacity of 225 kg total to lower orbits. Thanks to the performance increase, Electron is now capable of lifting 200 kg to 500 km SSO and up to 300 kg to lower orbits.

>The performance improvements make it possible to launch more payload to low Earth orbit (LEO), lunar, and interplanetary destinations on expendable Electron missions, while offsetting the additional mass of recovery systems added to Electron for missions slated for recovery and re-flight.

[Anonymous No.11975805]

>>11975617
yeah the engine didn't fucking explode this time

[Anonymous No.11975808]

spacex video comms:
"engine looks healthy"
"tank pressures nominal"
"[unintelligible]"
"full duration"
so whatever ailed raptor it wasn't enough for it not to be healthy at the time of that callout

[Anonymous No.11975809]

>>11975776
Go to bed anon, you're drunk

[Anonymous No.11975810]

>>11974912
Everyday astronaut has a better shot

[Anonymous No.11975812]

>>11975715
Is there no market for tugs that would do altitude and inclination adjustments for ride share satellites coming off the Starlink launches?

Momentus Space seems to be pretty cheap, they claim to be able to bring a 100 kg satellite from 300 km to 500 km with a 10 degree shift in inclination for two million.

[Anonymous No.11975813]

>>11975792
The point is that they could have done horizontal landing boosters and stages pretty much 40 years ago, sure it wouldn't be as good as propulsive landings, but shit just make the things bigger until the payloads are large enough to support whatever you're doing.

[Anonymous No.11975814]

>>11975132

[Anonymous No.11975815]

>>11975808
It was probably just leaking a bit of methane rich gas, no big deal

[Anonymous No.11975816]

>>11975812
There's no room in the fairing for a tug lol. Starlink launches are packed tight. Unless you meant the future Starship launches.

[Anonymous No.11975820]

>>11975471
rip test stand

[Anonymous No.11975822]

>>11975814
*revert to hangar noises*

[Anonymous No.11975826]

>>11975709
>>11975720

[Anonymous No.11975827]

>>11975816
I blame SpaceX for having only one fairing size and not making a big penis shaped rocket like ULA. SpaceX confirmed for small pp.

[Anonymous No.11975828]

>>11975820
it died in a blazing glory, it would have felt proud to have completed his job dutifully

[Anonymous No.11975836]

damn we've had a lot of space flight this week. remember a time when years would go by with only press conferences and cgi mockups of shit that would never be built?

[Anonymous No.11975838]

>>11975827
Did you not see the giant silver dong fly today?

[Anonymous No.11975841]

is spacexcentric the first conservative space journalist?

[Anonymous No.11975843]

>>11975779
That is true and it was an important stepping stone, but it was very experimental and even if it hadn't been canned it probably would have taken another 10 years to become a fully functional orbital rocket. At which point it wouldn't have beat SpaceX by much and would probably have cost a lot more to develop.

[Anonymous No.11975845]

>>11975843
and it was still fucking hydrolox so F9 would always beat it as a first stage

[Anonymous No.11975856]

>>11975838
Starship will be girthy and phallic shaped like all rockets but not as phallic shaped as it would be with a larger fairing. For peak volumetric performance we need a larger head.

[Anonymous No.11975861]

>>11975856
I wonder if we can get SpaceX to rename Dragon XL to Bad Dragon.

[Anonymous No.11975868]

>>11975250

A replacement was enemy competition to the shuttle program, the very notion was squashed and misdirected as much as they could get away with.

[Anonymous No.11975878]

>>11975841
Seems so. Why are so many YouTube Space Enthusiasts (Scott Manley, Tim Dod) raging leftists? Scott has lately become a lot more political to the point of neglecting content in his videos.

>Makes a video mentioning budget cuts to Space Exploration
>Fails to mention cuts during the years 2009-2016
>Who was President then?

Also EverydayEstrogenaut has a habit of defending China.

>>11975826
Jesus this thing is cool but it takes a whole other launch to refuel it. Unless you have a reusable vehicle, you might as well just send up another tug.

But then again expendable tugs are no better than say Fregat or something similar.

[Anonymous No.11975880]

lol wait have we never talked about this? just casually indicating SpaceX eventually has intentions of adapting Starship for interplanetary trips.
Won't any trip feasible take thousands of years?
I mean having that as a goal is fantastic of course, it just seems a little early to claim there will be any congruence between today's launch vehicles and interstellar vehicles

[Anonymous No.11975886]

>>11975880
He’s probably serious but no work has been done yet. Also we have yet to see Starship fly to orbit let alone travel to another star.

But say in 50 years SpaceX has made the mars colony self-sustaining, they may announce plans for interstellar travel. Who knows.

>Fusion Engines
>Laser Sail

[Anonymous No.11975899]

>>11975880
starship mk20 or whatever the high level naming convention is could be some huge orbitally constructed gen ship with torch drives that first flies next century. it may not always be a grain silo for escaping wells.

[Anonymous No.11975903]

>>11975880
>adapting Starship for interplanetary trips
Are you the drunk one, anon?

[Anonymous No.11975907]

>>11975880

Separate the wheat from the chaff. That comment doesn't matter, isn't what the whole thing is about and don't pay it any heed or give it weight.

It's a flippant comment.

[Anonymous No.11975909]

>>11975899
>some huge orbitally constructed gen ship with torch drives
If you have torch drives you don't need to build in orbit, you can use your 1,000,000 Isp engines and their >100 TWR to go from Earth sea level to interstellar coast in a single burn.

[Anonymous No.11975914]

>>11975909
Yeah but have fun irridating everything in a 1000 kilometer radius

[Anonymous No.11975918]

>>11975909
large ships won't fly in atmospheres. interplanetary or interstellar then park in orbit and use shuttles like ss for getting on or off surface.

[Anonymous No.11975924]

>>11975878
>Why are so many YouTube Space Enthusiasts (Scott Manley, Tim Dod) raging leftists?
I'm guessing because a lot of right wing people who get into journalism in the first place focus on other shit, while the left has a lot more people interested in journalism in the first place, which leaves more space for aerospace journalists.
>Also EverydayEstrogenaut has a habit of defending China.
Yeah, he really needs to cut that shit. Scott is somewhat ok even though he's a little biased, but estrogen astronaut was literally censoring viewers for being anti-china.

[Anonymous No.11975931]

>>11975880
>lol wait have we never talked about this? just casually indicating SpaceX eventually has intentions of adapting Starship for interplanetary trips.
Won't any trip feasible take thousands of years?
im guessing a 36 meter diameter starship 3.0. attached to a giant light sail powered by massive solar arrays or fusion power to propel starships to 50% of c. something like that for interstellar travel.

[Anonymous No.11975935]

Don’t know if it’s /SFG/ material but did anyone else get annoyed when The Expanse suddenly had the wormholes appear? Like the reason the series was cool was because it was “interplanetary adventure”...and then now there’s other planets.

Why isn’t there more “interplanetary” media? Is it because it’s hard doing research and it’s easier for writers to just make up planets from scratch?

[Anonymous No.11975939]

>>11975931
wouldn't you need to fire 1000s of colonists and literally 1000s more tons of kit at another star system to even hope to create a lasting colony?
>just send embryos lmao
to be raised by what? and imagine being those children on realising what their species had done to them.

[Anonymous No.11975944]

>>11975931
with 50% of c, you could get to alpha centauri in around 6-7 years, which is comparable to manned outer solar system travel now, Epsilon Eridani in 20 years, etc etc. the only downside to this system is you'd have to send infrastructure to the other systems first, probably with some sort of fusion propulsion system to daedalus that'd get you around 5% of c, so preparing even the nearby stars for colonization will take quite a while, and i doubt we'll even see the first interstellar colonization until the 2200s at the earliest

[Anonymous No.11975952]

>>11975939
yes, you would, which is doable with interstellar laser highways which are close to our current technology levels, but they'd require at the minimum (for a place like alpha centauri) decades of setting up and likely hundreds of years for anything further out
>>11975935
yes, i was extremely annoyed. i wanted to see more about maybe idk, the outer planet colonies getting independence and becaming major players maybe, or the beginnings of large scale in space colonization with o'neil cylinders shifting power balances a lot, but nope, they had to switch to classic space opera

[Anonymous No.11975972]

>RL10s are STILL a thing
b r u h

[Anonymous No.11975990]

>>11975935
A bit yea. It would probably get stale fairly quick without the ayylmao stuff though.

[Anonymous No.11976001]

>>11975935
>Why isn’t there more “interplanetary” media? Is it because it’s hard doing research and it’s easier for writers to just make up planets from scratch?
The outer system is hard as balls to live in so you end up making shit up one way or the other: a better fusion reactor, plants that survive in regolith, cities suspended in gas giant atmospheres, orbital megastructures, etc. Once you're tweaking suspension of disbelief that far it's a lot less work for most writers to say "and then a miracle appeared" and start writing about other Earth-class planets where our heroes can go outside. If you're not writing specifically about the rigors of living in space that gives you more narrative options and fewer research headaches.

[Anonymous No.11976026]

>>11975836
Feels fucking good man, so glad to see oldspace being shoved into the gas chamber.

[Anonymous No.11976033]

When will OldSpace take Starship seriously? The 20 km Hop? Orbit?

[Anonymous No.11976040]

>>11976033
orbit

[Anonymous No.11976041]

>>11975935
Yeah it did kind of bug me but at least didn't go full ayy and it was mostly just a plot device to allow them to get to other systems without muh FTL drives, it also setup based god emperor Duarte which was kino as fuck.

[Anonymous No.11976042]

>>11975101
if only more undesirables got rid of themselves this way

[Anonymous No.11976043]

>common booster core
>common core booster

[Anonymous No.11976048]

>>11975557
And we no longer have the cultural will to defend ourselves by deploying autonomous machine guns and minefields at our borders.

[Anonymous No.11976059]

>>11975704
Only because the environmental movement was bought out by fossil fuels. Environmentalists used to be pro nuclear, the intellectually honest ones still are.

[Anonymous No.11976091]

Another near-disaster that could have caused losses of lies and already caused irreversible environmental damage to protected area.

If this were Europe such things would have never been allowed.

[Anonymous No.11976098]

>>11975739
Horizontal landing, retard. And I mean retard as in retard.
>imagine paying the gook for a pass
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.11976099]

>>11976091
Yeah that’s why you guys haven’t sent a man into LEO. Lack of balls.

[Anonymous No.11976101]

>>11974946
That is so cute anon

[Anonymous No.11976106]

>>11976048
We're putting up automated camera sentry turrets along the wall. The next step is arming them.

[Anonymous No.11976107]

>>11976091
eurofags will never make it into space on their own for this reason

[Anonymous No.11976114]

>>11976091
>losses of lies

[Anonymous No.11976116]

>>11975091
His rocket science worked well. It‘s his parachute science that let him down.

[Anonymous No.11976126]

>the esa
>no rtg
>no skycrane
>no helicopter child
>2022

[Anonymous No.11976131]

>>11976106
>the wall

You mean the couple dozen miles of replacement fencing? Fuck off magapede.

[Anonymous No.11976133]

>>11976126
>eesa
the absolute STATE

[Anonymous No.11976135]

>>11976126
Is there anyone more cucked than ESA? Still relying on Russia for crew launches. No plans at all for beyond LEO.

Worst of all, they’re sucking off China.

[Anonymous No.11976138]

>>11976126
>EESA

Kek

[Anonymous No.11976144]

>>11976138
more like reeeeesa amirite
>yfw that pos launches at the same time as first supply run starships

[Anonymous No.11976153]

So lads what happens now will he use the other ship in the high bay

[Anonymous No.11976155]

>>11976144
>yfw little Babby rover gets landed on by gigachad Starship
>Euros too cucked to do anything except pay China money to start a new virus

[Anonymous No.11976158]

>>11976153
No one knows. At first Elon wanted to scrap SN6 and move on to SN8 for the 20 km hop, but now he says that SpaceX is doing more short hops first. Maybe they’ll need SN6. Maybe not.

[Anonymous No.11976173]

Plasma magnet engine when?

[Anonymous No.11976180]

>>11976173
when you finish your broccoli

[Anonymous No.11976182]

>>11976173
when starship is doing regular commercial payloads and its relatively cheap to send things into deep space, so mid to late 2020s at earliest

[Anonymous No.11976185]

>>11975210
Starship Troopers is good
I also recommend Armor

[Anonymous No.11976192]

>>11975337
it doesn't work in KSP because the stock SRBs don't have thrust vectoring
some of the DLC SRBs have thrust vectoring (the devs were surprised when they were informed by the community that most SRBs had thrust vectoring)

[Anonymous No.11976210]

>>11975460
it's hot
it's probably covered in oil to keep it from rusting
the oil is burning off
alternatively, there's a small high pressure fuel-rich gas leak

[Anonymous No.11976211]

almost looks like a reentry burn... almost

[Anonymous No.11976219]

>>11975250
The ending of the Shuttle was 75% into a dark age, Anon.
We finally made it through now.

[Anonymous No.11976221]

HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.11976225]

>>11976126
>>11976144
It's about military, contractors money, and academic resource (people with experience in the field). Not about results.

Europe's space agency, like all space agencies is an offshoot of missile production capabilities, the goals are maintaining it, national prestige, --insert bullshit here--, a bit of science, and finally spaceflight.

The faster rockets are divorced from generals the better.

[Anonymous No.11976228]

>>11975337
>*shakes you to death*

[Anonymous No.11976229]

>>11976221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0
I'll put it here for the anons who haven't seen the spacex version

[Anonymous No.11976230]

>>11976126
The more probes active on Mars the better.

[Anonymous No.11976233]

>>11976229
NEXT HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.11976234]

AAHHHHH IM GONNNA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[Anonymous No.11976235]

>>11976233
maybe two weeks? who knows

[Anonymous No.11976237]

I wonder when the first same day starship launch will happen

[Anonymous No.11976239]

>>11976237
February 21st, 2021

[Anonymous No.11976242]

>>11976237
2051

[Anonymous No.11976244]

first spacex crew loss when bros?

[Anonymous No.11976248]

>>11976244
Never

[Anonymous No.11976249]

>>11975556
You sure that's not flames coming out of the purge/drain?

[Anonymous No.11976254]

>>11975808
after he said "engine looks healthy" there was a "copy, Raptor" which was referring to the previous comment
he said that he understood the engine guy's comment

[Anonymous No.11976256]

>>11976239
Would be a great birthday gift SpaceX

[Anonymous No.11976264]

>>11975972
they're still good though
>>11976229
post the everyday estronaut version

[Anonymous No.11976287]

>>11975924
>>Also EverydayEstrogenaut has a habit of defending China.
>Yeah, he really needs to cut that shit. Scott is somewhat ok even though he's a little biased, but estrogen astronaut was literally censoring viewers for being anti-china.
It's a cop out really, because he's simultaneously taking a position whilst claiming not to be taking a position. But I suspect that if/when the political winds shift estronaut and manlet would immediately switch sides. They just spout what they think is consensus to further their careers, surely. Manlet seems like a classic Champagne socialist

[Anonymous No.11976308]

I like China because they give us competition which drives us to push harder. We need more competition.

[Anonymous No.11976316]

>>11974980
KEK

[Anonymous No.11976322]

poot

[Anonymous No.11976325]

>3 hops so far
amazing

[Anonymous No.11976328]

>>11976233
What would be the goal?

[Anonymous No.11976332]

>>11976325
two of them were with a battleship literal water tower and don't count
this one was flight weight

[Anonymous No.11976334]

>>11976328
make sure they can keep doing it
make it look easy
do it twice

[Anonymous No.11976336]

>>11975556
>Helium inputs

For what purpose?

[Anonymous No.11976339]

>>11976336
What the fuck do you think keeps things cold?

[Anonymous No.11976340]

>>11976339
The cryogenic methane and oxygen?

[Anonymous No.11976342]

>>11976340
Doesn't stay very cold once reaction has started. They use helium in kerolox as hydrolox too.

[Anonymous No.11976345]

>>11976342
*and

[Anonymous No.11976349]

>>11976342
Where are they going to get liquid helium on mars, I thought the whole point of this engine was to exclusively use methalox.

[Anonymous No.11976353]

>>11976349
I assume they'll be carrying enough for the round trip.
Also, who says there isn't helium on Mars?
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005Icar..176..395K/abstract

[Anonymous No.11976354]

>>11976336
this was drawn up by either some redditor rocket autist or an NSF rocket autist
they apparently didn't get the memo that helium killed Elon's dog

[Anonymous No.11976357]

>>11976353
The problem is keeping it cooled at near absolute zero.

[Anonymous No.11976361]

>>11976357
they don't need that, it isn't hydromeme, you baka
pic related is you right now

[Anonymous No.11976364]

>>11976361
Have I been rused by a shitty rebbit image? Does raptor use helium or not?

[Anonymous No.11976366]

>>11976364
Raptor does not use helium
no helium on Starship (it killed Elon's dog)

[Anonymous No.11976396]

>>11976135
>relying on russkis for crew launches
They have ESA astronaut going up on Crew2, what are you on about?

[Anonymous No.11976406]

holy shit, Trump just said something
everybody panic

[Anonymous No.11976410]

>>11976328
To not set the engine on fire this time.
I played enough pod racer to know that‘s a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.11976413]

Trump retweeted, very nice.

[Deko<3 !A4jsQTgi.Q No.11976430]

Hop

[Anonymous No.11976437]

virgin atlantic have filed for bankruptcy lmao

[Anonymous No.11976445]

>>11974974
>is supposed to
you said it yourself

[Anonymous No.11976449]

>still have to do 20km hops, orbital testing, in orbit refueling, landing safely after orbit, life support, etc.
It's going to be a looooooong while before we get to Mars.

[Anonymous No.11976458]

>>11976449
ss will orbit and land before sls flies

[Anonymous No.11976488]

>>11976449
Even a crude expendable one that can yeet 100t payloads to orbit cheaply every few weeks is still an absolute gamechanger

[Anonymous No.11976494]

>>11976458
I‘ll believe it if the 20km hop is within a month or two.

[Anonymous No.11976502]

>open youtube
>first result is a bitcoin scam restream with 80,000 watching
Alphabet, please.

[Anonymous No.11976503]

That fire on Raptor wasn't "leak" but simply some debris from take off.

[Anonymous No.11976513]

>>11975438
>86K upboats
>313 downboats
why would someone downboat this?
probably the Alfonso midwits

[Anonymous No.11976518]

>>11976336
Incorrect fan drawing.

[Anonymous No.11976522]

>>11975813
Yeah, that's basically what the dolphin fucking shuttles would have been, although the 1st stage would have likely been piloted if they built it in the 70s, since even Buran-style automated horizontal landings were pushing the envelope by 1980s standards.

[Anonymous No.11976527]

>>11975438
Elon: I need a gift for Grimes.
Gwynne: You know that women like diamonds...
Elon: No ordinary diamonds will do, I shall give her Mach diamonds!

[Anonymous No.11976539]

>>11976059
I hope that Elon's next project involves designing 4th generation reactors for use on earth and Mars. I'd love to see something like a return to the Magnox/AGR family.

[Anonymous No.11976547]

>>11976413
Dang. That's based cause you know he personally retweeted that.

[Anonymous No.11976571]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290956691488612358?s=20

[Anonymous No.11976595]

>>11976571
>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290956691488612358?s=20
Here come the bloodsports

[Anonymous No.11976602]

>>11976571
inb4 all the
>well ACKCHYUALLY..

[Anonymous No.11976609]

ULA boats were too late this time.

[Anonymous No.11976634]

>>11976571

[Anonymous No.11976643]

>>11976502

Login to your account, then you wont see that kind of stuff. Just brutaly sweep those recommendations aside.

[Anonymous No.11976664]

>>11976643
Yeah no, logging in does not help. YouTube feeds you this kind of shit down your throat since it's related to my search/watch history (anything space related).

[Anonymous No.11976684]

>>11976364
>>11976366
Allegedly early Raptors used helium for turbine spinup, down the road that's supposed to be achieved with the respective propellant. No clue whether that's true (I would assume so though, they got helium deliveries for something and Elon has claimed tank pressurisation to be autogenous from the start so not that) and if it is whether the transition has happened or still has to happen, though.

[Anonymous No.11976698]

>>11976571
>Inb4 the "well ackthuallly" retards foam at the mouth in the comments/demand NASA and spaceX be defunded or destroyed
Thank God trump likes space lmao, he may be dumb, not know anything about the organizations, but he likes seeing big rockets launch shit, and probably See's Jim is doing a good job to revive NASAs corpse

[Anonymous No.11976705]

>>11975460
My guess would be that some of the sensory equipment cabling on the outside or some sheathing material, probably got ignited by the puff of LOX ejected from the bell right before firing which would flare up once the engine ignites.

[Anonymous No.11976749]

>>11976527
Funnily enough I have a genuine, actually happened anecdote involving Talula Riley, Elon, and a massive diamond ring

[Anonymous No.11976789]

>>11975604
Or: fatten all astronauts up to 50 stone before launch, and let them survive on vitamin pills and water for the duration of the mission, with the handy side effect of eliminating digestive problems, space braaaps, and the need for handling solid waste

[Anonymous No.11976808]

>>11975615
>The fat studies crowd will eventually make a big stink.
They already do as a byproduct of existing.

[Anonymous No.11976841]

>>11975210
>>11975240
I just read Harsh Mistress a month or two back followed shortly by Rolling Stones and Cat who Walks through Walls. I need more.
Anon, my first and oldest friend.

[Anonymous No.11976842]

>>11975728
>can't get shock diamonds in vacuum
in return, we get jellyfish

[Anonymous No.11976851]

>>11976539
>Magnox/AGR family
These things are nuts - enormous concrete pressure vessels encased in thousands of tonnes of massive steel chain, with internal pressures equivalent to the sun or something similarly implausible. I'm sure I read somewhere that they were designed such that a direct hit from a fully loaded 747 would result in it merely smearing itself across the outside of the reactor. Britain still lets itself off the leash occasionally

[Anonymous No.11976859]

>>11976851
There are even better concretes now too, like concrete saturated throughout with steel fiber.

[Anonymous No.11976866]

>>11976851
>enormous concrete pressure vessels

That's why they'd be perfect for Mars, there's relatively little metalwork involved in building them.

Hell, you could even harvest CO2 from the atmosphere to make the graphite blocks.

[Anonymous No.11976872]

>>11976866
Graphite doesn't even exist comrade.
This man is delusional, one million years infirmary.

[Anonymous No.11976873]

>>11976859
>>11976866
'I can report that, standing on top of an operational 600 MW nuclear reactor weighing several thousand tons, all you can feel is a slight rumbling vibration like distant traffic felt through a road surface -- there's no indication that metres below your feet, hundreds of tons of gas compressed to conditions more normally associated with the surface of Venus are being blasted through the guts of a radioactive inferno.'

It's a good read:

https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/rants/nothing-like-this-will-be-buil.html

[Anonymous No.11976879]

>>11976851
>>11976873

The Magnox/AGR family and the CANDU represent the pinnacle of commercial power generation reactor design.

[Anonymous No.11976887]

>>11976873
>>11976879
how small could you make these?

[Anonymous No.11976905]

>>11976887
Uhhhh, not "small" at all, but the first AGR was nowhere near as big as the commercial ones.

[Anonymous No.11976908]

>>11976887
>>11976905

There's the prototype

[Anonymous No.11976918]

>>11976887
MSRs would be better for miniaturization, after all there's at least one extant example in the form of PWAR-1 the aircraft nuclear reactor. Just barely light enough for it's host aircraft to actually carry, generating 2.5MWth. Assuming 60% efficiency you could pull 1.5MW of actual useful power out of that, and you'd need to dump the remaining 1MW with radiators.

[Anonymous No.11976929]

>>11976918
Also, the reactor's weight isn't stated at least on wikipedia, but assuming the host aircraft is a mostly normal B36, to actually take up most of the aircraft's payload capacity the reactor and all of it's attendant equipment would have to be in the ballpark mass of 120 tons. You could probably reduce weight by sending it up in pieces, otherwise you'd need a rocket with the Saturn V's lift capability.

[Anonymous No.11976930]

>>11976749
do tell

[Anonymous No.11976955]

>>11976413
>>11976571
Trump knows the glory of Starship. I wonder what his favorite application of it is.

[Anonymous No.11976979]

>>11976955
>land lunar variant Starship
>paint it gold and put TRUMP on it in big red letters
>Trump Tower of Luna City
Pop-up hotels

[Anonymous No.11977003]

>>11976930
A friend of a friend (charming bastard) met her through work and tried and failed to pull her but they remained friends. She was in London one time and they met up for lunch and at one point he asked her 'so what do you see in him'? She apparently said nothing, but just held out her hand, on one of the fingers of which was a ring sporting an absolutely enormous diamond

[Anonymous No.11977007]

>>11977003
Elon has really bad taste in women.

[Anonymous No.11977008]

>>11976841
Pirx the Pilot

[Anonymous No.11977012]

>>11977007
He sees them as nothing more as producers of his heirs.

[Anonymous No.11977018]

IT'S NOT FAIR BOEING BRO'S
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WINNING RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.11977027]

>>11977018

[Anonymous No.11977030]

>>11977007
I think she was just gently demonstrating how far out of his league she was really

[Anonymous No.11977033]

>>11977027
>SLS off the ground
clearly photoshopped

[Anonymous No.11977047]

>>11977008
Seems fun, onto the list it goes, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.11977053]

image from hopper

[Anonymous No.11977061]

>>11977053
beautiful
I can't wait until this ugly tin can BTFOs the combined efforts of all the world's governments

[Anonymous No.11977064]

So if it took them a year or so after Starhopper to do a hop with Starship, what was the purpose of Hopper? It has pretty much nothing in common with Starship.

[Anonymous No.11977067]

>>11976918
For the power outputs of a small reactor, you might get more bang for your buck in terms of power to weight with an equivalent mass of PV cells. In space, nuclear really starts to shine when you get to power outputs that you'd need square miles of solar panels to match.

[Anonymous No.11977071]

>>11977007
That's what makes him so endearing. He's just a sperg with money that most women can't stand to be around. Grimes is such a perfect fit for him because she's a raging sperg as well.

[Anonymous No.11977073]

>>11977008
good taste, Lem-bro

[Anonymous No.11977075]

>>11977053
Are there plans to mitigate the launch pad destruction issue? Or is it disposable launch pads henceforth?

[Anonymous No.11977076]

>>11977064
I think starhopper was a testbed for starships avionics, and a proof of concept that the raptor engine worked

[Anonymous No.11977079]

>>11977053
>do your best, kouhai!

[Anonymous No.11977080]

>>11977075
I don't get this reusable launchpad meme

[Anonymous No.11977083]

>>11977075
we are going to need launchpads made out of granite

[Anonymous No.11977110]

>>11977075
SpaceX can choose to be a master of one or a master of none, they chose a master of one and are mastering reusable rockets, not this reusable launchpad meme.
>>11977080
if you do the whole copypasta anon...

[Anonymous No.11977112]

>>11977075
flame trench would probably help. That's the beauty of SpaceX though, they don't bother with time and effort on things until it's really really needed

[Anonymous No.11977115]

>>11976192
how does thrust vectoring work in SRB's I thought the nozzles were fixed

[Anonymous No.11977122]

Why didn’t SpaceX build Superheavy first and then Starship? Like make Superheavy reusable while flying expendable Starship. Kinda like Falcon 9. It would’ve allowed them to fly the whole stack sooner, no?

[Anonymous No.11977123]

>>11977112
How do you build a flame trench on a beach though? Unless digging a giant sand pit and dredging out all that water isn't as hard as it sounds

[Anonymous No.11977127]

>>11977123
sump + pump and cement

[Anonymous No.11977129]

>>11977123
idk, i'd sink a precast roofless concrete box

[Anonymous No.11977130]

>>11977064

Starhopper was a testbed for Raptor and flight control software.

[Anonymous No.11977136]

>>11977123
You do it like NASA did with 39A/B and Blue Origin is doing with 36 and you build a massive raised platform of earth and concrete with the flame trench cut into it.

Environmental concerns may prevent Musk from doing that at Boca Chica though, and that's why he's looking at possibly launching from an offshore oil industry-derived semi-submersible platform like Sealaunch did.

[Anonymous No.11977140]

>>11977064
Test out all the changes they've made in the last year to avionics/raptor/structure of vehicle/rcs/etc.
Starhopper from year ago and yesterday's SN5 hopper are almost 2 different vehicles.
They needed to verify what they were doing was still sound/working before moving forward with more expensive tests.

[Anonymous No.11977148]

>>11977122
Each Superheavy requires 31 raptor engines, anon

[Anonymous No.11977149]

>>11977053
>Witness my ascension, ancestor

[Anonymous No.11977151]

>>11977148
Empty Superheavy is 180 tons. Starship is 120 or so tons. Flying one Raptor could lift Starship. I don’t see why three or so couldn’t lift Superheavy. (I’m talking about short hops by the way. I know they need for more longer flights)

[Anonymous No.11977154]

>>11977112
>>11977129
>>11977123

IIRC the largest rocket to launch from a trenchless raised box or cage-style launch pad like the ones SpaceX is using at Boca Chica was the Saturn IB when it launched from LC-34.

The Saturn IB was tiny compared to Starship, it's little early 60s kerolox engines might as well have been toys compared to the Raptor, so it stands to reason that SpaceX will need something larger and much tougher for Starship and Super Heavy.

They're probably still figuring out what that new pad is going to look like, and in the meantime it's probably far cheaper to just spend a few hundred grand rebuilding the pad after each test than sink hundreds of millions into a pad that Blue Origin is doing at LC-36 when you don't even know what the final design might look like.

[Anonymous No.11977164]

>>11977151
If it's just Superheavy lifting itself, yeah 3 seems like plenty.

[Anonymous No.11977167]

>>11975935
>Why isn’t there more “interplanetary” media?
My theory is that the Solar system isn't well suited for the kind of storytelling that most people want. Like, look at any fictional media were a location is made up, the new location always has something that people want and that drives the story. The Solar system doesn't really have that many locations, and the locations it does have for it are really small scale. There are no space equivalent of exotic spices from North Africa, valuable silk from Asia, forgotten kingdoms of Crete, etc. The Solar system is mostly dead rocks which romantic value only lies in that we're familiar with them. Because of that, it is hard to write a story set in a purely interplanetary Solar system without introducing something exotic to tap into those romantic tropes that nearly everyone (at least those who are familiar with Western culture) knows and likes.

[Anonymous No.11977170]

>>11977027

[Anonymous No.11977172]

>>11977151
It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that SuperHeavy is going to have a similar series of test hops like they're doing with Starship, ones that will probably be performed with 3-5 engines and at altitudes below 10km.

I also wouldn't rule out an Ares 1x-style test in which SuperHeavy launches with either a Starship-shaped mass simulator or maybe a leftover SN-series prototype that gets dumped into the Gulf of Mexico as a test of launch and flyback with the 31-engined variant.

[Anonymous No.11977178]

>>11975935
>Why isn’t there more “interplanetary” media? Is it because it’s hard doing research and it’s easier for writers to just make up planets from scratch?

The Japanese seem to be much better at it, which is where you get Gundam, Alita, Cowboy Bebop, Zone of The Enders, etc.

The closest the west has come recently is Elysium, though I would have loved to see it implied that there were other, more industrial space colonies and that Elysium was built with resources mined from the moon or the asteroid belt.

[Anonymous No.11977179]

>>11975505
And work with Coast Guard to sink any fucker who tries to swim too close.

[Anonymous No.11977181]

>>11977167
thats gay, i wanna see a good series focused on interplanetary conflict with near future technology

[Anonymous No.11977189]

>>11976602

[Anonymous No.11977192]

>>11977170
The future was foretold in ancient texts.

[Anonymous No.11977194]

>>11977181
Does it have to be in the Solar system? Because one could conceivably pull an Ace Combat and have a Strangereal system which allows for some more interesting story-telling. Or just look at what the Japanese are doing with >>11977172.

[Anonymous No.11977198]

>>11977194
>Does it have to be in the Solar system?
Yes, with tech not that much higher then that in CoaDE, maybe a book series or a show could focus on a crew of a specific ship in a long interplanetary war.

[Anonymous No.11977201]

>>11977181
I autistically headcanon'd one in high school the way James Cameron cameuo with Avatar or Luc Besson dreamed up The 5th Element.

It was set around 2100 and involved a Gundam-tier amount of development around Earth, The Moon, and the Lagrange points, with a colony on Mars, mining installations scattered throughout the asteroid belt, Ceres, and The Trojans, and Uranus/Neptune, with Stanford Torus type colonies in orbit around Jupiter and Saturn for resource extraction from the moons. Everything was either nuclear or fusion powered.

[Anonymous No.11977203]

>>11977189
Lmao these people don't realize, Trump not canceling Comcercial crew and SLS is literally the best thing for space flight since the 1970s, and by literally doing nothing, he's managed to do more by just letting shit work out
Also big Jim is pulling NASA in the right direction

[Anonymous No.11977205]

>>11977194
>Strangereal system with different configuration of planets and moons
Fuck, make an Ace Combat space-dogfight sim now

[Anonymous No.11977206]

>>11977189
it is pretty dumb to comment on the Starship test praising NASA while the very rocket NASA is actually building is rapidly being deprecated every step forward Starship makes.

[Anonymous No.11977213]

>>11977203
People don't want to give trump credit for anything because his views on other issues are a bit outside the overton window (they weren't 10 years ago), thus he is evil. I admit he's a strange guy and probably not the smartest, but his views on immigration, social issues, foreign affairs, etc would of been seen as almost moderate a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.11977217]

>>11977206
he did appoint jim bridenstine though, and jim has been instrumental in moving NASA towards SpaceX and away from Boeing!

[Anonymous No.11977218]

>>11977198
CoaDE’s tech level is pretty low though. I mean by the time we’re colonizing the planets enough to have interplanetary wars it’ll probably be far enough into the future that fusion drives are developed.

I’m not too familiar with the tech level in the game though. But I love how technology goes full circle and it’s almost like humans go back to their 1400s-Mariner days.

[Anonymous No.11977219]

>>11977123
Why not put the bottom of Superheavy underwater? I mean it's stainless right? Seawater deluge system

[Anonymous No.11977224]

>>11977203
This. Apart from ending the asteroid redirect mission (which wasn't really a thing NASA was going to do) and renaming stuff, Trump pretty much left most of the space flight stuff from Obama. That deserves an applause on its own.

[Anonymous No.11977226]

>>11977203
Someone needs to remind them that if King Nigger hadn't killed Ares so that more of his constituency could talk loudly in public on their government phones, American astronauts would have been riding Orion/Ares 1 to the ISS by 2015 at the latest.

But instead, he let the shuttle be retired despite cancelling the replacement, and he shut down all development of large scale probes so thoroughly that it's taken a fucking decade for us to even launch a successor to Curiosity when this decade should have seen us launching Galileo/Cassini-style probes to Uranus and Neptune as well as follow-up missions to the Jovian and Saturnian moons.

[Anonymous No.11977227]

>>11977218
True, interplanetary transit times would be shorter due to fusion powered plasma drives, but those would still have very low thrust for combat, thus any warships would probably have fusion enabled nuclear thermal rockets, so the ships would be more advanced, and the weapons could be more powerful, but not insanely more powerful, since it'd be low end fusion tech.

[Anonymous No.11977233]

>>11977226
not just that he was a fucking idiot when it came to practical space

>fuck the moon "we've been there before!"
>focus all NASA efforts on muh NEA rendezvous
>shit never even materialized

that fucking NEA project was a pointless sidestep, he had no long term planning in mind by letting Constellation die

[Anonymous No.11977241]

>>11977227
True. Also most ships would be “glass cannons”. You can make your vehicle powered by helium-3 and be super mass efficient but it still would be 50%ish propellant if you want to reach those fast transit times.

I can imagine a duel between warships ending with a mass driver round piercing the propellant tank and causing one of the ships to lose its thrusting ability and be “dead in the water” so to speak. But I doubt any fights would happen in “true” interplanetary space. I think most engagements between warships would happen in a gravity well, or around an asteroid/comet/space station

[Anonymous No.11977244]

>>11976173
Figure out a high power to mass ratio electricity supply and an efficient cooling system, and you can have your plasma thruster.

[Anonymous No.11977245]

>>11977233
>>11977226
Don't forget about the shift in focus towards pointless outreach programs. I'm all for trying to gather the attention of the youth, but what really gets their attention is getting stuff done. Kids don't want to be firefighters because they do lots of outreach programs. Kids want to be firefighters because they go out and fight fires and look cool doing it.

[Anonymous No.11977250]

>>11977233
It's literally because he didn't want to give credit to Bush (that granted, would have absolutely been given to him) by aggressively seeing Constellation through to completion and having a moon landing in 2015-2016, and rather than kill it outright, he implicitly killed it with that retarded asteroid mission that everybody knew was never going to happen.

[Anonymous No.11977251]

>>11977206
the fact that Trump encourages the development of Starship, and doesn't give a fuck if it makes SLS useless is great, he doesn't give a fuck if boeing gets trashed (which is should)
More people in congress need to put their foot down and demand better out of Boeing, and threaten their contracts in both NASA and the military if they keep fucking up

[Anonymous No.11977252]

>>11976325
>3 hops so far
Just two, or did Hopper hop twice?

[Anonymous No.11977254]

>>11977241
eh, i think the engagements would be very similar to how they are in CoaDE, only with slightly more powerful weapons, pretty much orbital jousting where the ships are in firing range with kinetic and laser weapons for around 5-30 seconds with some missile and drone volleys inter-spaced between each flyby

[Anonymous No.11977255]

>>11977205
What would such a system even look like?

[Anonymous No.11977259]

>>11977245
Yeah but if only we just pushed more dumbed-down "I fucking love science XD!" shit at apathetic elementary schoolers with low IQ parents then maybe niggers and women would become the next Von Brauns and Glushkos, LOL

[Anonymous No.11977261]

>>11976339
It's not to keep anything cold, it's a gas.
>>11976342
The cryogenic methane circulates through the entire engine after leaving the pump and before entering the preburner. It's fucking cold until it gets partially burned to generate high pressure gasses to spin the turbine, at which point it's still only a few hundred degrees. The main combustion chamber is where the big temperature spikes are found.

[Anonymous No.11977262]

>>11977255
like trappist-1

[Anonymous No.11977266]

>>11977251
>Trump encourages the development of Starship, and doesn't give a fuck if it makes SLS useless is great
or, more likely, he thought the starship test was SLS and just got confused.

[Anonymous No.11977269]

>>11977250
And I'm really worried thats exactly whats gonna happen if Trump loses this November

Biden and Dems will cancel Moon and Artemis... we'll be back to square one

Although, things have never been this close, it would be absolutely stupid to cancel now when SLS is almost ready for its first green run test and they are building the Artemis 2 core, Orion is ready just waiting for a mission, there's no way Biden/the Dems would be stupid enough to call off a Moon mission when the assets for one are 70% ready (apart from landers) right?

They wouldn't go full retard with some Obama tier quip of "we've been to the moon already" and redirect NASA on a long term Mars program that will bear no fruit during the entire administration, right?

It feels like this back and forth and shifting of priorities happened because we didn't have the hardware ready but now we do so...

[Anonymous No.11977272]

we talk about boca-chica happenings a lot, but what the hell is going on in florida? I remember like a year or 2 ago there was a thing about how musk had set up 2 starship R&D places and they were 'competing' against each other or something. That still going on, did texas win, or is florida just doing different stuff?

[Anonymous No.11977273]

>>11976131
256 miles of wall that Mexicans die when they try to climb and counting. Back to leftypol with you.

[Anonymous No.11977274]

>>11976342
>They use helium in kerolox as hydrolox too.
Helium is used as a pressurant, just a gas that will push on the propellants or purge lines or spin up turbines that won't dissolve into the liquid propellants. Helium is the best option if you don't mind carrying an extra consumable, but Raptor doesn't use it because you can't harvest helium on Mars, so they use pressurized oxygen gas and pressurized methane gas instead. Doesn't matter if methane dissolves into your methane or oxygen into your oxygen, obviously.

[Anonymous No.11977275]

>>11977245
“Public Outreach” sucks at NASA too because you can inspire children or whatever but then when they realize that like 8 out of 41,000 people who apply become astronauts.

Starship is the best thing to happen to “Public Outreach” in forever. We are living in a world where in ten years there will likely be hundreds of people in Space at the same time.

You want to go to space? Take a Starship flight for $20,000 and stay in orbit for a few hours. Want to go to mars? Well if you sell your house you’ll be able to spend the rest of your life on another world. We’re living in the future bro’s.

I’m confident that Starship will reach all of its goals eventually, but I’m just really iffy on the timeline. It took until 2018 for Falcon 9 to reach all of its milestones (technically 2020 counting Demo-2). If we use the same logic on Starship, even a 2021 first flight would mean that it wouldn’t be until the 2030s for Starship to become all that was promised.

But keep in mind a Mars landing in even the 2030s would be amazing simply because of the capability of Starship. You want a reusable 100 ton transport to Mars and back? Done.

[Anonymous No.11977282]

>>11977275
>We are living in a world where in ten years there will likely be hundreds of people in Space at the same time.
thousands

[Anonymous No.11977286]

>>11977269
We’ll see. The only way to know is to see how it goes. That being said I’m pretty sure that Artemis is going to get canned in that case.

However SpaceX did get $100 Million in seed money ALREADY. Also Elon/Tesla/SpaceX is doing very well and printing money at this point. Starship has too much money to fail now, it’s more of a time issue.

So long story short, Artemis will probably die, but Starship would be fine.

[Anonymous No.11977287]

>>11977275
NOOO MUSK IS A FRAUD AND LIAR. HE PROMISED 1 MILLION. OVERPROMISE AND UNDERDELIVER!! CANCEL MUSK!! SHUTDOWN SPACEX FOR FRAUD.

[Anonymous No.11977290]

>>11977233
>>11977269
>we've been to the moon already
I loathe this reasoning. Even the impressive Apollo missions only explored a small part of the Lunar surface.

[Anonymous No.11977293]

>>11976522
Yeah, just goes to show that the early Shuttle designs would have actually worked, and the Shuttle we ended up with was a result of politics and meddling by outside parties, not due to limitations of the time.

[Anonymous No.11977294]

>>11977290
This. There’s actually a lot of cool shit about the moon that we don’t know and the only way we’d ever know is if we had boots on the ground for long durations.

[Anonymous No.11977297]

>>11977269
>Although, things have never been this close, it would be absolutely stupid to cancel now when SLS is almost ready for its first green run test and they are building the Artemis 2 core, Orion is ready just waiting for a mission, there's no way Biden/the Dems would be stupid enough to call off a Moon mission when the assets for one are 70% ready (apart from landers) right?
>They wouldn't go full retard with some Obama tier quip of "we've been to the moon already" and redirect NASA on a long term Mars program that will bear no fruit during the entire administration, right?

That's exactly why they're going to do it. Also, don't forget the part when they fire Big Jim and replace him with some black 30-something who makes "snarky" clickbait videos on YouTube about how it was really women of color that got us to the moon.

Why do you think The Big Three are taking it so slow with SLS and Orion while focusing on the military-oriented Vulcan and OmegA programs? They see the writing on the wall.

>It feels like this back and forth and shifting of priorities happened because we didn't have the hardware ready but now we do so...

SLS will suffer the same fate that Energia and Ares 1 did. They'll fly it once or twice
to exhaust hardware and make congressmen happy, but cancel it immediately afterwards.

[Anonymous No.11977308]

>>11977293

or they would have been bigger hanger queens.

[Anonymous No.11977309]

>>11976851
>with internal pressures equivalent to the sun or something similarly implausible
Highest pressure I can find any source for is only a hair over 26 bar, not even a third of the pressure that exists on the surface of Venus. That's really not that much, dude.

[Anonymous No.11977310]

>>11977297
>to exhaust hardware and make congressmen happy, but cancel it immediately afterwards.
I know but what about Artemis, NASA is also acting smart by promoting it and first woman on the Moon constantly, if Dems are the ones to cancel this, they'll be vilified in the media and popular imagination

The part of progress will be seen as the party of regress, if they cancel a sure Artemis moon return for some completely new hair-brained scheme or refocus on a direct Mars mission that's years away, fuck.

[Anonymous No.11977316]

>>11976887
CANDU uses natural uranium and deuterium oxide moderator, so it needs to be huge to work. However, pretty much any reactor design you can think of can be scaled down significantly just by increasing the enrichment of the fuel. Some reactor cores in the 50's had power outputs of thousands of kilowatts and were no larger than a mini fridge.

[Anonymous No.11977318]

>>11977269
I don't Biden is a threat to Artemis or SLS/Orion since it's heavily dependent of Obama era policy, plus if he lets it exist, and keep Jim as the head of NASA, he'll be the sitting president for the first return to the moon in 50 years
I'm more worried about whoever he picks as his VP's policy on space, I know his potential grouping of women either have no history on space, or outright fall into that "fix earth before we go to space" camp lmao

[Anonymous No.11977322]

>>11977318
>we'll go from a VP who reestablishes the National Space Council with himself as head to whatever Biden picks

F U C K

[Anonymous No.11977326]

>>11977294
There's also issues from Apollo having explored such a small part of the moon. Our understanding of the Late Heavy Bombardment era came from samples from Apollo, but since those samples came from a relatively small region some are suspecting that the sample bias from Apollo resulted in incorrect assumptions about the era. The only way to know for sure is to explore more of the impact sites on the moon and analyse a wider range of samples.

Having a better understanding of the LHB era also allows for our models of the early Solar system to be better refined which can help shed more light on the conditions on Earth that would've created life. And that's just one of the many things we can learn from more involved lunar exploration.

[Anonymous No.11977329]

>>11976918
>Assuming 60% efficiency you could pull 1.5MW of actual useful power out of that, and you'd need to dump the remaining 1MW with radiators.
That's not how that works, you generate electricity in a reactor via a thermal gradient, and the efficiency of your generator makes electricity based on that gradient.
You need to radiate ALL of the heat the reactor makes, no matter what, and if your reactor makes 2.5 MWth and your generator is 60% efficient, that means that in the process of those 2.5 MWth of heat flowing out of your reactor and radiating away, you generate 1.5 MW electric.
To put it another way, heat does NOT get 'consumed' when you use it to make electricity, it simply gets dissipated as waste heat as it flows out through the thermal gradient.

[Anonymous No.11977332]

Are there any satellites orbiting around earth without any eccentricity? I never see anything with a perfectly circular orbit, is that because it would require near constant station-keeping maneuvers?

[Anonymous No.11977335]

Next thread: >>11977333

>>11977333

>>11977333

[Anonymous No.11977339]

>>11977269

SLS continuing is like if Ares 1 continued instead of SpaceX getting a contract for commercial crew.

You'd get some Ares 1 content at some point, but it would be a pale shadow of what the better track could deliver.

[Anonymous No.11977340]

>>11977310
>The part of progress will be seen as the party of regress, if they cancel a sure Artemis moon return for some completely new hair-brained scheme or refocus on a direct Mars mission that's years away, fuck.

You forget that this is the same party that turned a drug-addled nigger with a rap sheet so long you'd think Proust wrote it into a martyr worthy of months of protests and quasi-religious veneration.

All it'll take is some piece in the New York Times by the 1619 project bitch about how the notion of landing on new worlds was steeped in problematic imperialist white supremacy and how it was time to "decolonize" space exploration and pursue a vision for space exploration that was more welcoming to BIPoC, and the even the academic types in the Democrat party base would happily march in lockstep with the new truth.

[Anonymous No.11977343]

>>11977115
You can inject an oxidizer into the motor on one side of the nozzle to increase thrust locally and produce a torque, alternatively some SRBs do in fact have nozzles that can gimbal.

[Anonymous No.11977347]

>>11977122
Starship is the more complex and difficult part, while Super Heavy is just a bigger Falcon 9 pretty much. With the lessons learned building Starship and building Falcon 9, Super Heavy should be easy.

[Anonymous No.11977349]

>>11977340
Those are just desperation tactics to use the situation of the pandemic and stoking race tensions to make Trump's reelection untenable, typical MO of the democratic party, once they've actually secured power (if they do) I would hope that they wouldn't go so full retard.

[Anonymous No.11977365]

>>11977252
Yes

[Anonymous No.11977366]

>>11977219
The tanks may be stainless, but the engine electronics won't like that.

[Anonymous No.11977381]

>>11977308
That comes down to if they were trying to design a rapidly and cheaply reusable spacecraft, or if they were trying to make everyone in the government happy, like with Shuttle.

[Anonymous No.11977389]

>>11977287
he promised 1 million in 2050, which is 30 years from now. it'll probably be more like 100-200k people

[Anonymous No.11977395]

>>11977381

They thought the way to achieve cheap access to spaceflight was to build the most complicated machine to ever exist, and they were also awarding themselves that comprehensive make work project.

[Anonymous No.11977401]

>>11976458
>SS has infinite time to get to orbit
Well duh.

[Anonymous No.11977405]

>>11977266
That's an unlikely reach based on your feelings, not the fact that Presidents are constantly being advised on shit.

[Anonymous No.11977457]

>>11977282
The very part you've quoted says "ten". If that was "twenty" maybe you'd be right. Thirty is almost a certainty.

[Anonymous No.11977610]

>>11977189
NASA does have money down on Starship, anon

[Anonymous No.11977653]

>>11977272
the whole thing was a bad idea, neither one built anything useful and the Florida site became unusable after somebody built train tracks across the route to the launch site
only a year later and the Texas site got totally reworked and is now producing flight quality product

[Anonymous No.11977838]

>>11977653
How did train tracks make the route unusable?

[Anonymous No.11977945]

>>11975473
Methane wasn't dirt cheap until fraccing happened, so there wasn't any potential cost advantage to justify the slight loss in ISP from LH2.