/sfg/ spaceflight general

[Anonymous No.11971683]

hop edition

previous >>11967587

[Anonymous No.11971687]

stop buying aliexpress valves elon
HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.11971691]

fuck urf

[Anonymous No.11971694]

>Astra’s Rocket 3.1 is seen at the Pacific Spaceport Complex in Kodiak, Alaska, with the rising full moon as a backdrop in the early hours of August 3rd, 2020.

[Anonymous No.11971695]

>Spanish launch startup @PLD_Space
shared some details about its Miura-5 rocket (300kg to LEO), including an outline of first-stage reusability and some performance characteristics from notional launch sites. No date give for a first flight.

[Anonymous No.11971696]

any good interviews with bobndoug yet

[Anonymous No.11971697]

What do you guys think the x-37 was doing up there? Rumor has it they were testing new methods of propulsion. Is there any radar data tracking its position?

[Anonymous No.11971699]

>>11971694
What is the stated goal of their rocket? It looks like an SSTO rocket, since it's tiny, but what kind of payloads would it be launching that are so small. Or is it a sounding rocket...?

[Anonymous No.11971713]

>>11971699
>The Rocket 3 is a class of 11.6 metres (38 ft) orbital launch vehicles that have a payload capacity of 25–150 kg (55–331 lb) to a 500 km (310 mi) sun-synchronous orbit.[7] It consists of two stages. The first stage has 5 engines called "Delphin".[4]
take the icbmpill

[Anonymous No.11971726]

Not rocket related but even the NOAA is getting in on the commercialization of space:
>The Senate passed the PROSWIFT space weather bill...that includes a provision calling for NOAA to create a commercial space weather data pilot program
>NOAA is to enter into contracts with one or more entities for ground-based, ocean-based, air-based, or space-based space weather data that meets standards and specifications set by NOAA

The US government likes the commercialization of space, hopefully more governments around the world push for more commercialization in their own countries.

[Anonymous No.11971731]

>>11971691
Oisic Ofur please go.

[Anonymous No.11971737]

>>11971713
>payload capacity of 25–150 kg
even if you're putting it at a lagrange point, why bother? That's so small a payload it's probably only useful for research and launching solar shades.

[Anonymous No.11971744]

Upcoming launches (aside from the hop)
>5 Aug - Astra rocket, dummy payload
>6 Aug - Long March 2D, earth observation satellite
>7 Aug - Falcon 9, Starlink

[Anonymous No.11971752]

Gateway is coming along...
>The first pieces of flight hardware for the Artemis Gateway Habitation and Logistics Outpost (HALO) arrived! These forgings are the base metal for some of the fundamental structures for HALO, the initial crew cabin for astronauts visiting the Gateway.
>Each of the round, greenish structures is a solid piece of aluminum, from which one flight structure ring will be machined. So the green structures you see are not really containers, the color is a protective treatment to the aluminum that will ultimately be machined off.

[Anonymous No.11971775]

Here me out.
Apple is worth $1.92 trillion.
They have $200 billion cash in hand.
What's stopping them from entering into space sector?
Are they waiting for Starship to get ready?
After that, they probably will start their own satellite constellation.

[Anonymous No.11971787]

>>11971775
*Hear

[Anonymous No.11971797]

>>11971726
I honestly don't think anyone will be able to match the US on the commercialization front any time soon.
In a broader sense, I don't think anybody is in a position to match the US in space at all. China might be able to do it by throwing piles of cash and bodies at the problem, but their strategy (and government) seems unsustainable. They lack the rugged practicality and specialized technical prowess (in areas like metallurgy) that Russia once had- and Russia is no longer really in the game because they're fading away economically and politically. Europe is a joke.
This basically leaves us with India and the rest of the anglosphere. India could probably do some neat stuff if they didn't let the programmers/engineers that Boing hired near anything. Australia might eventually get in the game but they don't seem very engaged at a cultural level, given that their space agency's most recent budget was less than ten million dollars.

[Anonymous No.11971802]

>>11971775
Because they're a tech company that makes their money from Asian slave labor? Instead of asking why they don't build rockets ask what reason there is for them to

[Anonymous No.11971803]

>TsNIIMAsh and the Russian Foundation for Advanced Research Projects started the work on the #KryloSV reusable rocket, starting with the computer simulation of the demonstrator. The specialists hope that the first flight will take place no later than 2022.
>The engine with a hybrid turboelectric pumping unit will use liquid natural gas and oxygen as a fuel. The demonstrator is designed with one engine, and the fullsize rocket will have a package of eight engines.
>The start of work on the engine is scheduled for October 2020, the product development will be carried out by specialists of the design Bureau of chemical engineering named after A. M. Isaev.

[Anonymous No.11971805]

>>11971775
It's a hell of a market right now.

If I was Apple, i'd approach SpaceX and arrange to provide funding and cross brand promotion.

[Anonymous No.11971806]

>>11971775
>What's stopping them from entering into space sector?
There has been rumors of Apple getting into the satellite business.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-20/apple-has-top-secret-team-working-on-internet-satellites

Apple Inc. has a secret team working on satellite technology that the iPhone maker could use to beam internet services directly to devices, bypassing wireless networks, according to people familiar with the work.

The Cupertino, California-based iPhone maker has about a dozen engineers from the aerospace, satellite and antenna design industries working on the project with the goal of deploying their results within five years, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing internal company efforts. Work on the project is still early and could be abandoned, the people said, and a clear direction and use for satellites hasn’t been finalized.

[Anonymous No.11971810]

Bunch of pics of one of the new Russian ISS module Nauka.
https://thealphacentauri.net/60278-vyvoz-mlm-nauka-v-centre-im-mv-hrunicheva/

[Anonymous No.11971813]

>>11971810

[Anonymous No.11971816]

>>11971699
The pitch is that rocket plus infrastructure fits in one 40 foot shipping container. DoD will buy these by the hundred if they can be erected and fired quickly, either as ICBMs or for battlefield comms.

[Anonymous No.11971822]

>>11971816
>>11971713
Quickly replacing US comms if a peer adversary decides to play rip and tear with ASATs

How long they'll survive that Kessler hellscape is debatable

[Anonymous No.11971825]

>>11971822
They're also monster ASATs in their own right.

[Anonymous No.11971828]

>>11971810
>>11971813
we shit talk Russia a lot but I don't see Canada or Australia adding segments to the ISS

[Anonymous No.11971833]

>>11971810
>new

[Anonymous No.11971834]

>>11971828
Canada provided the arm.

[Anonymous No.11971842]

>>11971833
New to the ISS, if it ever gets up there.

[Anonymous No.11971843]

>>11971842
*expiring warranty noises*

[Anonymous No.11971882]

FUCKING FINALLY!!! I saw it on twitter. I had to dig for hours to find this

[Anonymous No.11971884]

>>11971882
I was digging around in the last thread >>11971663
Thanks if you tried to help me. I found some more good stuff while looking for this pic

[Anonymous No.11971885]

>>11971884

[Anonymous No.11971886]

I don't understand why starship has to do an orbital fuelling by spending other starships to dock with each other. Why can't they implement a starship heavy to lift the entire starship when it's fully fueled. Can someone clarify this?

[Anonymous No.11971887]

>>11971289
That can't be good in the long run really

[Anonymous No.11971888]

>>11971886
probably easier to do if you already have starship being easily reusable instead of building a new launch vehicle jsut for launching it fully fueled

[Anonymous No.11971891]

>>11971697
mmmmmm hypergolic, imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.11971895]

>>11971828
canadarm, the greatest canadian invention

[Anonymous No.11971897]

>>11971888
It's not new, it's just two extra superheavy boosters. You don't need to build other classes of starship and fill them with fuel then keep sending several to orbit then dock. That sounds dangerous and complicated. I think a starship heavy like config is the simplest and cheapest way to do it.

[Anonymous No.11971898]

>>11971886
Because if you can build a bigger starship you can use it to carry more shit to Mars. Same size refueling is the optimal use of scaling up TSTO reuse.

[Anonymous No.11971901]

>>11971891
chinese villagers know

[Anonymous No.11971902]

>>11971886
true, why didn't spacex just make starship an SSTO. What a bunch of idiots

[Anonymous No.11971903]

>>11971891
Kinda like chlorine
t.knower

[Anonymous No.11971907]

>>11971898
Same size refueling will take several runs, they'll have to repeatedly do it for just one starship, that will lots of new problems. Sounds to me like they're creating new problems they can't afford to have when deadline is so tight. Why not go for a proven solution. Use the falcon heavy config, it's tested and successful?

[Anonymous No.11971912]

>>11971902
Probably because it takes 100+ engines to make three superheavy boosters and they don't seem to be making the raptors fast enough

[Anonymous No.11971917]

>>11971907
>when deadline is so tight
The plan is to launch and fuel a shitload of Starships over the course of two years and then have them all burn for Mars the instant the window opens.

[Anonymous No.11971921]

>>11971897
It still takes a pretty decent amount of work to integrate the boosters, falcon heavy took a lot more development than they initially expected and repeating that process for starship will take more work than just getting the single booster stack working and flying it multiple times

[Anonymous No.11971923]

>>11971912
That was sarcasm. Imagine comparing the 17t Earth to Mars capacity of FH to the 1320t Starship second stage

[Anonymous No.11971944]

>>11971907
they have two whole years to figure it out, and if they don't get it right they can try again two years later
but meanwhile, NASA will be throwing money at them to solve that problem for Artemis too, and Starlink doesn't require refueling

[Anonymous No.11971947]

>>11971921
also, three core Super Heavy wouldn't bring the payload to orbit from 150 tons (where it is now) to 1500 tons (where it needs to be to put a fully fueled Starship into orbit)

[Anonymous No.11971952]

>>11971907
you know what else creates problems? violating the rocket equation

[Anonymous No.11971958]

>>11971947
This is what I wanted to figure out. How many starheavy boosters would it take to launch a fully fueled starship?

[Anonymous No.11971959]

>>11971891
I did and now i'm dead

[Anonymous No.11971960]

>>11971952
[laughs in beamed power]

[Anonymous No.11971962]

>>11971958
incorrect question
the correct question is: how WIDE does a Starship need to be in order to launch a fully fueled 9m Starship into orbit

[Anonymous No.11971963]

>>11971803
why is it yawing using reaction jets?

[Anonymous No.11971967]

>>11971963
it looks cool

[Anonymous No.11971979]

Butane propellant?

[Anonymous No.11971988]

>>11971962
I think you meant starheavy, would love if one of these spacex youtubers expounded on this further, I just don't see them figuring out this orbit refueling issue on time. It sounds very complicated and very easy to mess up. Sure they can automatically dock like the crew dragon, but exchanging the fuel will probably pose some new problems.

[Anonymous No.11971989]

>>11971979
Cyclopentane?? Benzene?!?!

[Anonymous No.11972010]

>>11971897
You are still stuck in the lots of launches are bad mindset. It is very wrong. Launching yet another rocket is almost always the correct way instead of new developments.

[Anonymous No.11972013]

>rocket engineers and scientists are too retarded to use Flourine instead of oxygen
HydroFlons is better

[Anonymous No.11972017]

>>11972010
It's not the launching, it's the fuel in zero g environment that bothers me. You can see the problems they've had on the ground with static fire tests and faulty valves, piping issues, etc.

[Anonymous No.11972030]

more falcon heavy launches when

[Anonymous No.11972034]

>>11972013
People don't want to deal with the corrosive toxic shit that is fluorine.

[Anonymous No.11972043]

>>11972034
ahhhh sissies

[Anonymous No.11972044]

>>11972043
It eats through fucking everything including tanks and engines, man.

[Anonymous No.11972047]

>>11972017
Sitting on the ground in salt air is more corrosive than anything they'll experience in space.

[Anonymous No.11972049]

>"Fluorine is not only extremely toxic; it is a super-oxidizer that reacts, usually violently, with almost everything except nitrogen, the lighter noble gases, and substances that have already been fluorinated."
Absolutely Kerbal.

[Anonymous No.11972056]

>>11972017
Orbital refueling and propellant depots are crucial to achieve any real progress in spaceflight. There is no way around that, so the sooner we get on it, the better.

[Anonymous No.11972058]

>>11972044
nigga just spray teflon on the inside of your tanks, problems solved

[Anonymous No.11972061]

Why is nobody seriously considering assembling craft in orbit? You could launch up a bunch of parts or a whole module, and then link them together a la the ISS. I think it's kinda short sighted to base our mars plans around starship, when starship can build much bigger, better, more powerful craft.

Imagine 2 habitation modules, 2 science/experiment storage, 1 cargo module, a propulsion module, 2 fuel tanks (Xenon, cuz why not use giant hall thrusters or the like) and a separate descent stage, each fitting intisde the starship fairing. That would be less than ten launches. Using chemical rockets for anything other than getting to orbit is kinda low-tech.

[Anonymous No.11972062]

>>11972058
Just spray teflon inside your turbopumps, valves, all your moving parts, your engine bell, all your plumbing and so on too?
Or why not just make your engine out of teflon?

[Anonymous No.11972063]

>>11971752
Alright, now lets move these pieces to a testing stand and let them sit there for 4 years doing nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.11972064]

>>11972056
It would be nice if they set up a refueling station on the moon before going to Mars. Though I don't know how much fuel starship would use to escape the moons gravity.

[Anonymous No.11972068]

>>11972064
Or how many starship missions including refueling it would take to send the fuel from earth to the moon. This really is a hard problem, whoever solves it will be very rich.

[Anonymous No.11972069]

>>11972062
yeah whats the problem

[Anonymous No.11972070]

>>11972049
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time

[Anonymous No.11972072]

>>11972061
>Xenon, cuz why not use giant hall thrusters or the like
Because people want to reach Mars in this millennium? But as to why we don't do orbital assembly? Uncharted territory and nobody has the balls to try it first most likely. There's also the risk of parts getting damaged while in orbit, the entire fucking thing blowing up because one part fucked up the coupling and so on.
Nobody wants to risk it, but it should be tried on a smaller scale first just to test the concept.

[Anonymous No.11972074]

>>11972070
>”It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that’s the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water-with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals-steel, copper, aluminium, etc.-because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride which protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminium keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.”
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that shit.

[Anonymous No.11972075]

>>11972061
That's old concept from 60s Von Braun and Korolev wanted.

[Anonymous No.11972076]

>>11972068
Sorry to bring up zubrin again, but I distinctly remember him being very anti-moon (to paraphrase him: a “refuel gas station” on the moon is really just a toll booth)

Is this true? Like if I had bezos’ wealth and created ISRU mining on the surface that launched liquid methane and oxygen to a lunar orbital depot, would it be worth the delta v for a starship to head to the moon and refuel before going to mars?

[Anonymous No.11972077]

>>11972061
>Why is nobody seriously considering assembling craft in orbit
/sfg/ did to point out how gay SLS was.

[Anonymous No.11972080]

>>11972076
Zubrin has had a raging hard on for his specific Mars mission architecture since the 80s and hates anything that might detract from it, even as modern heavy lift boosters make it obsolete. I find his exotic propulsion ideas like the magsail, the dipole drive, and nuclear salt water reactor much more interesting.

[Anonymous No.11972084]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36ft-p6mNg

[Anonymous No.11972088]

What's the best expedition poster

[Anonymous No.11972089]

>>11972077
how does that compare to the mass of the apollo upper stages? 50 tons metric or imperial?
>>11972075
Von braun was thinking so far ahead of his time that it legitimately infuriates me that he's only remembered because the reich had a gun to his head telling him to make rockets or join the camps. The man was a visionary, and if you see his mannerisms on video, it's clear he's /ourguy/.
>>11972072
>this millennium
We're not just talking about some tiny little guys, I'm talking about a big old set of giant ones. Imagine the bottom of the N1 but with high voltage ion drives. It would put out some serious thrust. Doesn't even have to be that, it could be a vasimir drive, a nerv, or fuck, any of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIwPjs5zBq8&lc=Ugyx7BDA6bRUHj8FrsJ4AaABAg.9BrPlqgED3S9BrjyWB0yxB

[Anonymous No.11972091]

>>11971806
In 2006 I worked for a company that had a satellite antenna the size of a smartphone. It was dial up speeds not wireless but nonetheless

[Anonymous No.11972093]

>>11972089
also, fuck, I wish we weren't too pussy to use an orion drive

[Anonymous No.11972097]

>>11972089
You do know that it's not a matter of size, right? They do not provide a lot of acceleration. They provide energy efficient acceleration for a very long time, perfect for fucking probes, shit for manned interplanetary travel.
Ion thrusters are not for human spaceflight unless you intend to become the fastest skeleton in the universe.

[Anonymous No.11972099]

>>11972097
I mean, if the trip is gonna take a long time anyway, if you're getting like .1g of thrust constantly, you would be able to get up to quite high speeds quite quickly.

[Anonymous No.11972100]

>>11971882
>Elon
>brutalist architecture
Nah.

[Anonymous No.11972101]

>>11972099
>if you're getting like .1g of thrust constantly
No, you're getting like 1 volkswagen of thrust constantly.

[Anonymous No.11972105]

>>11972030
Nasa needs to hurry the fuck up with Gateway.

[Anonymous No.11972109]

>>11972105
didn't gateway get axed becaus Boeing is a shit?

[Anonymous No.11972119]

>>11971988
wrong, you need two stages to get to orbit
you would need to put a fully fueled Starship second stage (now third stage) into the cargo bay of this hypothetical Chode Starship MkX
this was, effectively, the reasoning behind how big the Saturn V was

[Anonymous No.11972133]

>>11972109
Moved off the critical path for Artemis. Should still be made. They have international partners signed up.

[Anonymous No.11972134]

>>11972072
>but it should be tried on a smaller scale first just to test the concept.
do you mean more like the Gemini missions or like the ISS or maybe more like the upcoming gateway?
maybe the Apollo missions would count, even though they assembled the pieces all together from a single launch

[Anonymous No.11972137]

>>11972134
Those just taught people to rendezvous and dock. I'm talking expand on that and actually send something docked together off. Start with some small test modules, dummy payloads or whatever.
You need a proof of concept before you can do a big thing but nobody has the balls to step up to the plate anymore. Everybody plays it safe these days because funds are limited and everything is run by politicians.

[Anonymous No.11972140]

>>11972137
you mean like Gemini 11?

[Anonymous No.11972141]

>>11972140
No. That was docking with a fucking Agena to simulate lunar ascent.
Hardly assemble a new multi stage craft from modules in orbit and send it off to another planet.

[Anonymous No.11972144]

>>11972141
I don't see the difference

[Anonymous No.11972146]

>>11972144
Then you're clearly not an engineer.

[Anonymous No.11972147]

>>11972146
maybe you're just a pussy
every single step of the process has been proven out in space before, just fucking put it together

[Anonymous No.11972149]

>>11972147
>maybe you're just a pussy
In case you haven't been paying attention, I'm not the one calling the shots. I'm the one stating that nobody is willing to step up to the plate because there's no real proof of concept.
>every single step of the process has been proven out in space before
No. The only step of the process that has been proven in space is the docking bit. You don't understand exactly how fucking specific these people think.

[Anonymous No.11972157]

>>11972149
>assembling utility, power, and habitation modules
ISS, MIR, Gateway
>attaching propulsion to your craft
Gemini
Gateway is literally a testbed/proof of concept for the proposed Mars SEP orbital assembly mission

[Anonymous No.11972158]

>>11972157
Gateway is ISS 2.0. It's a testbed for fucking nothing.

[Anonymous No.11972161]

>>11972158
wrong

[Anonymous No.11972162]

>>11972161
We all know what it's really there for. It's so NASA can keep congress tied to the Artemis program and not shut it down on a whim.
Just like how they managed to keep congress funding for ISS for over 20 years.

[Anonymous No.11972163]

>>11972162
yes, it is multipurpose
it is the ISS in cislunar space

[Anonymous No.11972164]

>>11972163
It serves one purpose and one purpose alone.

[Anonymous No.11972169]

HOP
WHEN

[Anonymous No.11972177]

>>11972169
When Elon learns to listen to his mother and not leave his toys out in the storm.

[Anonymous No.11972180]

>>11971882
this looks like some concept of boca chica after some sort of american civil war lol

[Anonymous No.11972185]

>>11972013

[Anonymous No.11972274]

>>11971797
>This basically leaves us with India and the rest of the anglosphere. India could probably do some neat stuff if they didn't let the programmers/engineers that Boing hired near anything.

India needs to partner up with Roscosmos so we can see the fruits of Russian ingenuity and Indian money.

[Anonymous No.11972281]

>>11971803
How long into 2022 do you think it will go before being cancelled?

[Anonymous No.11972306]

>>11971813
>how many technicians does it take to fit a lightbulb?

[Anonymous No.11972307]

>>11971895
>canadarm
>>11971886
because Tsiolkovsky
>>11972076
>moon is really just a toll booth
But that's true, because it's a dV-sucking gravity well that doesn't even offer you an aero-braking reach-around. Even going into orbit around it is still a waste of dV.
The other reason that the moon isn't very useful as a "stepping stone to Mars" is that the environment is completely different, especially the horrible shit that is lunar dust, but also in the chemistry that is available.
The one thing that the moon would be good for is manufacturing parts for orbital stations from in-situ materials, as it has a much lower dV cost for getting shit out of its gravity well. But that's for stuff FROM the moon, you would need to find a good source of carbon for ISRU. Lunar H2O ice would be the source of hydrogen and oxygen, but it's not a renewable resource, so it matters how much there is up there.
And depots are partly a meme. It's not like sticking a pile of gasoline cans in the desert, you have to match orbits with them first. You also have to be using the same fuel, but hydrogen is such a bitch to contain and maintain that a depot might as well be methane anyhow. You can standardize on a fuel and a convenient orbit, but then will it be any better than simply launching fuel tankers when and where you need them?

[Anonymous No.11972315]

>>11972056
pardon?

[Anonymous No.11972319]

>>11972061
they aren't "our" plans. they're one private companies plans. if you, another individual or a nation state has better ones then crack on.

[Anonymous No.11972321]

So I just checked on the MOMO 7 mission status.
Looks like they got boated again, or something. Next attempt is 10 days away, August 14, evening US time.
And apparently that ls an "instantaneous window", so good luck keeping the fucking boats away.

[Anonymous No.11972337]

>>11972321
just drop the boosters on the boat lmao

[Anonymous No.11972342]

>>11971695
>Spain is building a reusable rocket
Fills my heart with pride
Unfortunately given our current commie government, they'll probably get slapped with a shitload of taxes for being too white and male

[Anonymous No.11972349]

>>11971775
You need to convince the board and shareholders that spending billions on shit that does not make profit in the next quarterly.

[Anonymous No.11972351]

>>11972274
Yeah Brahmos is pretty badass

[Anonymous No.11972368]

How do we keep Mars from becoming a rat utopia like earth nearly is?

[Anonymous No.11972378]

Almost time for HOP 2.0 thread. Road closing?

[Anonymous No.11972383]

>>11972378
not even close, wait like 5 hours

[Anonymous No.11972386]

>>11972383
nevermind, wait til we get to farm venting at least though on the live status on the lab padre stream

[Anonymous No.11972402]

>>11972163
Gateway&ISS Will end up getting replaced pretty fast as soon as cargo starship starts dumping 150tons of cargo in LEO on a regular base.

[Anonymous No.11972403]

>>11972378
From 8AM to 8PM CDT time (GMT -5)

[Anonymous No.11972406]

>>11972100
>>11972180
Yes

[Anonymous No.11972418]

>>11972406
Why does this get so much hype, wasn't there NASA mars rover driven around New York by Colbert and Tyson some years back?

[Anonymous No.11972428]

>>11972368
Capital punishment

[Anonymous No.11972432]

>>11972418
>Why does this get so much hype
Because the vehicle is consumer oriented instead of specialized Mars/venus/etc vehicle. It relates to people much more than something else out there. Because its new, so much more different than traditional vehicles. Because Elon's presentation, lmao. And Tesla/Elon himself.

[Anonymous No.11972434]

>>11972432
>>11972418
The concept rover displayed in NYC was meant purely for hype and won't be used for anything.

[Anonymous No.11972441]

>>11972100
Brutalist makes sense for a seaside spaceport. It will have to withstand potential rocket explosions as well as take a beating from hurricanes once in a while.

[Anonymous No.11972443]

>>11972434
People don't care literally at all about a mars rover driving around NYC, which they will never be able to buy
they do care about a new car released by an auto manufacturer, which they'll be able to buy in the future

[Anonymous No.11972446]

>>11972368
All authoritarians and "community organizers" are spaced before landing.

[Anonymous No.11972460]

>>11972446
We need to keep population density low and offer recreation or people will go crazy.

[Anonymous No.11972461]

>>11972368
All immigration to Mars must be limited to people with PhD and engineering/manufacturing experience.

[Anonymous No.11972464]

>>11972461
Which doctor mops the floors?

[Anonymous No.11972466]

>>11972464
Dr Roboto and Dr Vacuum. Also the doctor who will drive the car will be Dr Autonomous.

[Anonymous No.11972484]

Anyone have that feeling of dread that you are not going to make it to the glorious space future?

[Anonymous No.11972489]

>>11971810
that's badass!

[Anonymous No.11972493]

>>11972484
We are already in glorius space future comrad.....

[Anonymous No.11972497]

>>11972484
You lack the serenity of the truly hopeless.

[Anonymous No.11972499]

SN5 is being puffed up, I’m making the thread whether you like it or not

[Anonymous No.11972503]

>>11972484
You as a person wont make it to any future. Only the future you will make it. Did the baby you make it to today? No, the baby you is dead. The adult you is now. In the future, the old man you will be there. The (you)s are all different but connected in time.

[Anonymous No.11972505]

>>11972499
Wait until there's a confirmation at least.

[Anonymous No.11972512]

>>11972505
Alright fine

[Anonymous No.11972514]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiV0V8t4DYU

[Anonymous No.11972515]

>>11972499
>inb4 detanks and refuels six times in a row and doesn't hop until an hour before the deadline

[Anonymous No.11972516]

>>11972368
>Hello fellow Martians, how are you doing toa-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o

[Anonymous No.11972553]

>>11972515
>in b4 doesn't hop at all, only does a braaappp test because of that stuck valve

[Anonymous No.11972556]

>>11972099
Ion thrusters produce millinewtons of thrust

[Anonymous No.11972576]

>>11972553
>inb4 hop don't stop and SN5 disappears into the sky leaving this gay Earth behind

[Anonymous No.11972579]

>>11972576
We wish.

[Anonymous No.11972580]

inb4 corroded metals due to salty humid air (Falcon 1 failure repeats)

[Anonymous No.11972585]

>>11972576
I'd try not to be too jealous.

[Anonymous No.11972586]

>>11972580
B-b-b-but it's stainless

[Anonymous No.11972589]

>>11972061
>>11972089

Realistically, Starship is probably a stepping stone to something closer to this. If Mars habitation/colonization takes off, we'll probably see something similar to Avatar where a fleet of giant, exotically-powered, space-optimized ships are built that can do the trip in a fraction of the time that the methalox Starships can, and as a result, aren't necessarily limited to the biennial synods either. Build 20-30 of them and have them more or less constantly doing the round trip, while getting refueled and resupplied by Starships/New Armstrongs/whatever the Chinese cook up at either end.

[Anonymous No.11972590]

>>11972586
>inb4 'UHHH BUT IT IS STAIN(LESS) HUHUHH'

[Anonymous No.11972595]

I think the timeline for boots on Mars by 2024 was a bit too aggressive. I don't think Starship will fly by the end of this year. Why don't we instead bet on tried and true technology? I mean, it's just a watertank, do you guys really think it will ever fly?

[Anonymous No.11972598]

>>11972589
Basically, imagine the ship from The Martian but closer in scale to the ship from Avatar, though perhaps substituting artificial gravity rings for the fancy antimatter drive and the shielding systems for relativistic travel since these would likely just be NERVA sleds with only 2-5x the delta-V of Starship.

[Anonymous No.11972601]

>>11972595
Idiot

[Anonymous No.11972602]

>>11972586
Not all, inner electronics are using soft metals. Outer shell is stainless, but if there's any entry, it might fuck up the internals.

[Anonymous No.11972603]

>>11972061
The cost of construction in earth's orbit right now is immense due to the cost of sending multiple ships up there to add construction materials, fuel, people, and living supplies, aswell as a place for them to stay while they build.
What we need is a crude mass driver to make sending the material into orbit far cheaper and faster. That takes care of one of the larger obstacles.

[Anonymous No.11972604]

>>11972602
>inner electronics are using soft metals
Uh oh, galvanic corrosion

[Anonymous No.11972613]

What if instead of trying to colonize other planets we tried to colonize the bottom of the ocean instead? It's closer to the mantle so that we can use thermal energy to power generators, it's full of water that can be turned into oxygen and hydrogen for fuelcells, the oceanic bottom is also full of minerals that haven't been mined yet (not to mention petroleum) and it will be many more millions of years until the sun boils the oceans off. It may even be thought as a first step before colonizing moons like Titan or water planets, maybe even gas giants. What is the pressure at the top of Neptune?

[Anonymous No.11972615]

>>11972603
That's why you go the Avatar method >>11972589
and only build stuff on orbit that's going to be there for the long haul. Remember that according to James Cameron's autistic worldbuilding, the flashy interstellar vessel that took Jake to Alpha Centaurus/Pandora was nearly 80 years old and had made the round trip a half dozen times.

If Mars works out in the next 15 years, it's going to be the late 19th century all over again where sailing ships and steamships existed side by side and the one you took depended on how time sensitive your cargo was and what you were willing to pay.

[Anonymous No.11972620]

>>11972613
Oh hai there Hampture!

Also, the deep sea is honestly even more inhospitable than deep space, and it's a lot easier to build a spacious habitat designed for outer space than it is to design one that won't get crushed like a tin can 2 miles down.

[Anonymous No.11972626]

>>11972620
>Also, the deep sea is honestly even more inhospitable than deep space
If anything goes wrong and you can slowly float up (can handle the pressure and has ballast), then you're fine. In almost any space if something goes wrong and your propulsion, air, water, food, radiation protection and a million other things get fucked, then you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.11972635]

>>11972613
Why don't you decolonize yourself back into the trees or the ocean?

[Anonymous No.11972638]

>>11972635
His "instead" part is retarded but it would be nice to have some ocean habitats too. I bet we have discovered very far from everything useful and interesting down there.

[Anonymous No.11972642]

>>11972613
Money being spent on ocean floor missions would be better suited stopping issues on earth like Racism Poverty, and Starvation, we need to fix the lands before we destroy the oceans.

[Anonymous No.11972646]

>>11972635
I'm already hoarding bottles to make my personal floating island

[Anonymous No.11972647]

>>11972514
Holy shit the Russian side and the Soyuz are claustrophobic AF. I love it.

[Anonymous No.11972651]

>>11972642
>stopping issues on earth like Racism Poverty, and Starvation
Just dump them into the Mariana trench lmao. Time to sink all dat carbon.

[Anonymous No.11972653]

>>11972642
>destroy the oceans.
Who is talking about destroying anything?

[Anonymous No.11972662]

>>11972651
>Just dump them into the Mariana trench lmao. Time to sink all dat carbon.

This guy gets it. We need to grind up all of the poor people and non-whites and seed the oceans with their remains to replenish fish stocks.

[Anonymous No.11972665]

>>11972662
Let China feed the sea for a change.

[Anonymous No.11972673]

>>11972665
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.11972674]

>>11972642
Seriously, FUCK marine biologists, FUCK geologists and FUCK science in general. Money needs to be spent on social programs or not at all. All STEM majors should be forcibly reassigned to social services like therapy or community organizing. All discoveries and inventions and research should be heavily managed to ensure it has a direct, quantifiable amount of societal benefit, otherwise there is no point for it to be done at all. All scientific journals should be shut down for not contributing to the only thing that matters in society: keeping human hearts beating no matter the cost. All people should be hooked up to machines that keep them in a permanent vegetative state with drug IVs to make them always HAPPY and always SAFE and never threaten anyone with violence or discomfort ever again. That is the ideal society.

[Anonymous No.11972675]

>>11971803
What happened with picrelated?

[Anonymous No.11972682]

>>11972674
Did we just get visited by Roko's basilisk?

[Anonymous No.11972686]

>>11971887
Nah it’s a good thing. Failures on CRS-7 and Amos-6 helped SpaceX make Falcon 9 way more reliable.

Starship is still in the development stage and issues with testing are expected. They will figure it out. They’ve fixed all of their problems with the SN’s.

>MK1 fails due to bad welds between the rings
SN1 fixes those welds
>SN1 fails due to thrust puck defect
SN2 fixes the thrust puck anomaly
>SN3 fails due to test configuration mistake
SN4 does not have this error, and also passes the cryogenic and static fire tests.
>SN4 explodes due to GSE failure
So far SN5 has done well, and they’ve worked out a lot of the problems with Starship.

I’m confident that they’ll fix the Raptor. Have faith.

Also it’s funny that SpaceX doomerism is so common. People were shitting on them after the Demo-2 weather scrub.

[Anonymous No.11972692]

>>11972061
>Why is nobody seriously considering assembling craft in orbit?
Does Gateway or the Deep Space Transport count?

[Anonymous No.11972694]

HOPPP HOPPP HOPPP HOPPP

[Anonymous No.11972695]

>>11972675
Scale models of Baikal were given a couple wind tunnel tests in 2011. They found that the folding wing was unexpectedly hot, went with the fixed one, and shelved the program shortly after that, due to the lack of interest and money. In 2019 (I think) they transferred the program to TsNIIMAsh where it was renamed to Krylo-SV.

>>11971803
A literal meme. They want to carry an additional airbreathing engine when it could be easily done with a purely passive glide and an apogee retroburn.

[Anonymous No.11972696]

>>11972675
benis xDD

[Anonymous No.11972697]

>>11972281
No idea, but if it's just a small tech demo then it might not get canceled?

[Anonymous No.11972702]

>>11972674
Weak bait

[Anonymous No.11972703]

>>11971803
Kinda interesting given how much Russian aerospace denounced reusable rockets. Hopefully something comes from it.

[Anonymous No.11972706]

>>11972703
In a few years they'll say how they thought it was a good idea all along.

[Anonymous No.11972711]

>>11972696
Mine doesn't look like that, anon

[Anonymous No.11972714]

>>11972061
>Why is nobody seriously considering assembling craft in orbit?
Depends on what you mean. Originally, Soviet DOS program was exactly this: the partial implementation of the native Venus flyby vision, namely the spacecraft assembling part.

If you mean assembling a large pressurized volume in orbit from separate parts, then filling it with air, it doesn't make any sense for several reasons.
1. You'll have dozens of seams/welds, all of which have to be tested somehow, which is much harder to do in orbit, and the leak/weak spot is substantially harder to find/diagnose in orbit
2. You never want a huge pressurized volume anyway, for the same reason naval ships aren't made as a single volume: the time to escape in case of a hull failure rises proportionally. You want a lot of small modules connected in a redundant topology. Russians already dealt with it on Mir when Spektr got breached by a Progress, and had to abandon the module. You don't want a single module to be too large.

So, assembling and testing modules on Earth is much better, inflatable or not.

[Anonymous No.11972715]

>>11972711
>his dick doesn't have flyback capabilities
Lmaoing at your crotch

[Anonymous No.11972723]

>>11972662
But who would serve you on shabbat

[Anonymous No.11972725]

? H O P
W
H
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[Anonymous No.11972726]

>Virgin Galactic has pushed the beginning of commercial flights of its SpaceShipTwo suborbital vehicle to no earlier than the first quarter of 2021 while announcing plans to sell additional stock to raise money.
https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-delays-spaceshiptwo-commercial-flights-to-2021/

Just how bad are their finances?

[Anonymous No.11972729]

>>11972703
>given how much Russian aerospace denounced reusable rockets
What? I think you might be confused. They had Spiral and Buran, they thought of the Korona (Delta Clipper on steroids), also reusable Energia boosters aka Zenit. They had TKS, IRDT and all other kinds of reusable tech long before SpaceX became a thing. The only reason they didn't do this is the same as with other oldspace - the industry fell into disrepair

[Anonymous No.11972732]

>>11972725
Unlike us, the people who can answer that question have important things to do. As in they don't waste their time on 4chan all day every day.

[Anonymous No.11972735]

>>11972732
Jokes on them, I bet those fools never even get dubs.

[Anonymous No.11972738]

>>11972726
>Just how bad are their finances?
Considering practically every article written about them for the past 10 years has been about how they're pushing back commercial flights, not very good I imagine

[Anonymous No.11972743]

>>11972732
H O P
W H E N

[Anonymous No.11972744]

>>11972706
At least they're changing their views instead of being set in their ways.

>>11972729
I know of previous Russian/Soviet attempts at reusable rockets, but I was referring to more recent comments from Roscosmos about reusability. Specifically how they believe that reusable rockets are not viable, they're not going to pursue the technology, and that SpaceX might be faking its success with the technology.

[Anonymous No.11972745]

Pads cleared.

[Anonymous No.11972746]

>>11972725
>>11972743
>HOP WHEN?!?! I CANT HANDLE IT ANYMORE I NEED TO HOOOOOOOOP!!!

[Anonymous No.11972748]

>>11972743
Tomorrow I bet, until they fix the valve issue

[Anonymous No.11972751]

>AWS Ground Station services are only available in connection with the AWS cloud, Hawthorne said. Customers who want to use other cloud services can download their satellite data off of AWS and then use a different cloud, he said, but cannot connect an AWS ground station directly to a cloud competitor like Google.
https://spacenews.com/aws-completes-six-ground-stations-changes-rollout-strategy/

Ah, the anti-consumer strategy.

[Anonymous No.11972753]

>>11972675
This could have been 90spunk Falcon 9 if the USSR hadn't collapsed and decided to keep building and evolving the Energia design. Now, it's a concept that's about 25-35 years past its prime.

[Anonymous No.11972756]

>>11972088
this one is pretty good. I love the color.

[Anonymous No.11972757]

~t-minus 1 hr

[Anonymous No.11972759]

>>11972753
There could've been a 90punk Falcon 9 if the USA hadn't bought the SSTO meme.

[Anonymous No.11972761]

>>11972757
NANI?!

[Anonymous No.11972766]

>>11972757
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.11972774]

>>11972759
There was almost certainly some SDI-related reason for why the USAF and the NRO were so interested in SSTOs during the late 80s and 90s, and I'd love to find out what it actually was.

And yeah, the answer was to build a Delta Clipper-based TSTO, but for some reason the operational footprint that was involved in a TSTO was something that the US military wanted to stay away from, and so instead we got the NASP, the Delta Clipper, and the X-33/Venturestar. Too bad we'll never know the reason, though.

[Anonymous No.11972781]

>>11972751
I may be a bit out of the loop, wtf are these ground stations supposed to be used for?

[Anonymous No.11972782]

Vent starting

[Anonymous No.11972784]

>>11972744
Those aren't "comments from Roscosmos", those are comments from the trampoline man, who is being controversial for the sake of it. He is a philologist and a twitter drama queen, who was selected due to his loyalty, not his professional experience. I.e. a literal propagandist in charge of the space industry. (also he has plenty of opposition within it, and is universally resented)

Not if that matters somehow, because they still don't have working reusable tech, but there's some nuance to this

[Anonymous No.11972785]

>>11972351
Oniks/Brahmos has an even more pornographically overengineered launch sequence than the R-36.

[Anonymous No.11972791]

>>11972753
>Now, it's a concept that's about 25-35 years past its prime.
How so? Last I checked the physics didn't change. They might have an unnecessary part in their design (the airbreathing engine), but the flyback concept is rock solid. All it needs is someone motivated to work on it.

[Anonymous No.11972796]

>>11972782
LETS FUCKING GO

[Anonymous No.11972797]

>>11972781
Amazon is making a global network of satellite ground stations to make that area of the space market simpler and more affordable for satellite companies.
>AWS Ground Station is a fully managed service that lets you control satellite communications, process data, and scale your operations without having to worry about building or managing your own ground station infrastructure.
It's a good idea in general and could make spaceflight cheaper for companies.

[Anonymous No.11972804]

>>11972726
I don't understand who would be silly enough to dump money into them atm. It's not even like they're getting an orbital capability or a supersonic transport as a side benefit.

[Anonymous No.11972805]

>>11972695
Ability for aerodynamic flight under its own power gives you a whole different order of magnitude of flexibility in launch and return trajectories

[Anonymous No.11972811]

>>11972805
Indeed, I was talking about how they want to include an airbreathing engine in it. Without it, it's absolutely doable and might be competitive (or not, you can't be sure until it's tried). With it, it's a meme.

[Anonymous No.11972813]

>>11972751
>>11972797
AWS engineer here. Ground Station was created for government and institutional customers that found it tedious and slow transferring data from their own ground stations into AWS for processing. The ground stations have fiber links directly into our datacenters so "put your data in AWS first" is just how the service works. The export to other clouds feature is new and probably related to DoD picking Azure for JEDI.

[Anonymous No.11972817]

>>11972805
flexibility, probably
cost efficiency, just... no

[Anonymous No.11972821]

hop thread because why the fuck not >>11972818

[Anonymous No.11972881]

>>11972821
Hop is still a week away

[Anonymous No.11972882]

>>11972881
>A week away, every week
AAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11972905]

SIREN!!

[Anonymous No.11972913]

>>11972811
Well my point was actually the opposite. With an air-breathing engine you can just reenter ballistically and then fly like an airplane wherever you want so long you have enough fuel on board (complete peanuts compared to what rocket engine takes for similar manoeuvering, and no oxidizer as well, at least partially offseting the extra weight of the jet engine), and way beyond where unpowered glide can possibly bring you.

>>11972817
So what exactly is expensive?

[Anonymous No.11972951]

[Anonymous No.11972958]

AAAAHHHH

[Anonymous No.11972966]

Last time that flare stack spazzed out like that, we had a boom.

[Anonymous No.11972989]

what the fuck is happening to the flare stack. that couldn't be nitrogen

[Anonymous No.11973001]

Imagine the smell™

[Anonymous No.11973025]

>>11972913
Additional engine means additional weight and complexity. Besides, they want to use a jet fighter engine which is neither cheap nor fuel-efficient. You can achieve the same with a single retroburn in the apogee where it's effective, no additional thruster required, just a single main engine ignition. That's what Falcons already do, the difference being in the landing method. (and the fact that a flyback booster can glide a longer distance so it doesn't need a full burn)

>you can just reenter ballistically
You cannot. The penis shaped vehicle has an excellent ballistic coefficient so it won't decelerate well, burning up on reentry. That's why Falcon 9 uses its own power to decelerate a bit during the reentry, which is inefficient and hard (nozzle under the dynamic pressure) and wastes an additional engine burn. To add insult to injury, with Krylo-SV's layout you reenter nose first, while your CoG is at your back. So it has to be compensated with wings, by necessity.

[Anonymous No.11973034]

So are they using starhopper as a extra tank or what?

[Anonymous No.11973043]

>>11973034
I think they just mounted a bunch of cameras and machinery on it

[Anonymous No.11973046]

>>11971979
Instead of butane you may as well go for sub-cooled propane, because it's both more efficient AND has a greater bulk density than butane, even chilled butane.

[Anonymous No.11973054]

When is the hop?

[Anonymous No.11973057]

>>11973046
Plus you get to taste the meat, not the heat.

[Anonymous No.11973058]

>>11972013
>tanks need to be made of a narrow range of alloys which instantly form passive fluoride layers on contact with fluorine
>engines need to be constructed out of fluoride ceramics and noble metals because anything else, even passive oxidation layers, would break down and start reacting with the fluorine under the conditions inside a rocket engine
>cooling issues way worse due to fluorine's across-the-board higher reaction temperatures and faster reaction rates
>the fucking exhaust is made of bone hurting vapor and will turn any launch site and the surrounding few dozen kilometer wide circle of area into an unapproachable wasteland

[Anonymous No.11973063]

>>11973054
never

[Anonymous No.11973067]

>>11973057
Meat is murder

[Anonymous No.11973070]

I hope welder bro in the last thread didn't get into trouble

[Anonymous No.11973074]

>>11973067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

[Anonymous No.11973081]

>>11973070
i believe those pics were just cropped frames from a leaked video posted like 4 months ago, so either he's faking or just giving us recent info but with recycled material

[Anonymous No.11973083]

>>11972013
>not using pentaborane and dioxygen difluoride
pathetic

[Anonymous No.11973085]

>>11972061
>Why is nobody seriously considering assembling craft in orbit?
Every plan for manned space flights to the Moon or Mars EXCEPT for SpaceX all rely on orbital assembly already. SpaceX's plan with Starship is better than orbital assembly, because they basically need to develop just two vehicles; Starship, and its Booster. From there it's just using those two vehicles strategically to unlock manned landings on Moon and Mars with >100 tons of payload, and once the method is figured out there is a very clear path to ramping up the throughput (simply launch more Starships and have them loiter in space until the Mars transfer window opens, and have them all boost off in the same ~1 month span of time).

Orbital assembly does not help you do deep space missions until you consider building gigantic rotating ships hundreds of meters across that can maintain a gravitationally and radiologically earthlike environment inside, which lets you undertake missions which see multiple years of deep space coasting before you even get to your destination (think rotating space ark boosting off to Saturn with 1000 people on board and a bunch of equipment that will let them set up propellant manufacturing on some small moon, explore the other moons via starship-scale craft brought along by the mothership, and get at least the basics of industry up and running (mineral extraction, metal smelting and forging, etc).

[Anonymous No.11973104]

I swear whoever was in that fucking boat better get life in prison

[Anonymous No.11973106]

>>11972076
He is not anti-Moon.
He is against the idea that it makes sense to go to the Moon to set up a gas station to go to Mars, and he's right.
It LITERALLY takes LESS propellant to go all the way to Mars' surface than it takes to go to low Lunar orbit. The reason is it only takes a little bit of extra delta V to get on a Mars intercept vs a Moon intercept, ie only a bit more propellant to approach Mars vs Moon, but at the Moon you need to use MORE propellant in order to slow down, whereas on Mars you can just hit the atmosphere and use aerodynamic pressure to decelerate. In fact, at Mars you can scrub off over 99% of the velocity you arrive with using nothing but air drag, and the remaining 1% is your terminal velocity which you get rid of using rockets (for big vehicles anyway, too big for chutes).

Therefore, Mars missions are NOT limited by our actual rocket propulsion technology; a rocket that can get to the Moon is pretty much exactly as capable of going to Mars. The thing we're limited by is life support tech for a much longer trip (though having a big vehicle lets you brute-force most of the problems) and the fact that while landing on Mars is easier in terms of delta V, it is yet a more complex and tricky thing to actually do, since you need to worry about aerodynamics and shit whereas on the Moon you could land totally blind as long as you had a stop watch and knew your vehicle's thrust to weight ratio and retrograde vector. Landing in a vacuum is as easy as point rocket backwards and start slowing down, and time it so that you reach zero velocity at zero altitude.

Of course, SpaceX already has tons of experience propulsively landing rocket stages in a much thicker atmosphere than on Mars, and on a target that moves way more than the surface of Mars does (the ocean).

[Anonymous No.11973114]

>>11973104
>whoever was in that fucking boat better get life in prison
ULA employees are above the law. SpaceX needs to form a private navy to prevent ULA boaters disrupting their launches.

[Anonymous No.11973115]

>>11973104
Wait was it cancelled because of a goddamn boat

[Anonymous No.11973119]

>>11973114
SpaceX needs a fucking fleet of machine gun and torpedo armed speedboats.
>>11973115
Yes

[Anonymous No.11973123]

>>11973119
FUCKING BOATS GODDAMNIT

but hey it’s good that it wasnt an issue with SN5 or the raptor

[Anonymous No.11973127]

>>11972089
>how does that compare to the mass of the apollo upper stages? 50 tons metric or imperial?
I did the math in kilograms, but it shouldn't matter anyway, since delta V is only based on mass fractions. As long as each one of those kick stages has a mass of X, a propellant mass of Y, and Y = 0.85 * X, you have four kick stages stacked up, and the payload has a mass equal to X, then the final delta V numbers do not change.

For example, you could imagine that we're using 18 meter Starship for a moment and can launch 500 ton modules into LEO in reusable mode with capacity to spare. We could just as easily develop a modular kick stage like in that image with ten times the mass, in fact it'd probably make achieving a mass fraction of 85% significantly easier. You'd still get a total of ~4245 m/s out of a four module train, but now the final payload has a mass of 500 tons instead of just 50 tons.

Of course in that scenario you'd have 18 meter Starship, so you'd probably not be fucking around with expendable kick stage modules and would instead just refuel that 18m Starship with subsequent launches. In fact that's get you more than 6 km/s of delta V, enough that after dropping off its payload in LLO the 18m Starship could probably boost back onto a trajectory that would have it intercept Earth's atmosphere, then it's all propellantless delta V until the final landing burn.

[Anonymous No.11973129]

>>11973123
>>11973124

[Anonymous No.11973130]

>>11973115
Yeah, boat was cruising right next to SN5 as it was nearing siren. They likely aborted when they were alterted about the boat nearby.

[Anonymous No.11973134]

>>11972099
If ion thrusters got you 0.1 g of acceleration they'd be the only thing we'd use for main propulsion systems.
In reality a GOOD ion drive will get a TWR of less than 1/1000th of a G, and that's just for the thruster itself, not the entire vehicle. Ion thrusters take actual years of constant thrusting in order to achieve the same delta V that a chemical stage can achieve in five minutes.

[Anonymous No.11973144]

What's up with all of the boats lately?

[Anonymous No.11973146]

Honestly people should be fined when they interrupt expensive spaceflight operations. How much did that scrub cost? In tens of thousands? And man-hours?

[Anonymous No.11973149]

>>11973144
pensacolians are idiots
t. used to live there

[Anonymous No.11973152]

>>11973144
Downside of space getting media coverage again, attracts lookie-loos.

[Anonymous No.11973153]

>>11973144
Fuckers learned there are space launches happening and no measures to prevent them from going nearby.

[Anonymous No.11973154]

A FUCKING BOAT

[Anonymous No.11973156]

>>11973146
Fucking faggots, why can't the faa enforce these restrictions then?

[Anonymous No.11973160]

>>11972589
That little diamond shaped shield on the one end always bugged me, I feel like the antimatter engine exhaust would impinge on it and it needs to be rotated 90 degrees

[Anonymous No.11973167]

>>11972613
>What is the pressure at the top of Neptune?
Just like it is at any gas giant, 1 atm.
We define the zero altitude point on a gas giant as being the average altitude at which the ambient pressure is equal to the sea level pressure on Earth.

[Anonymous No.11973168]

We should let them do their operations even if boats are in the area. Just put out hazard signs.

[Anonymous No.11973171]

I'm gonna PROOOOONT!

https://mashable.com/video/3d-printed-office-buiding/

[Anonymous No.11973181]

>>11973171
Impressive.

[Anonymous No.11973192]

>>11973168
Nah, morons who don't care about space or hate it for whatever retarded reason will use it to drum up suppord to #SuHuTdOwNoMgWtFbBq
Force ignorant/brash fags to pay with their wallets and you can watch them advance an intelligence category in real time.

[Anonymous No.11973210]

>>11973168
>>11973192
>BILIONAIRE ELON MUSK KILLS INNOCENT HONEST CIVILIAN ON HIS QUEST FOR PERSONAL GLORY

SHUT DOWN ALL BILLIONARE!!!

[Anonymous No.11973222]

>>11973210
Pretty much, yeah. The worst part is it's like 5% ego trip for him and 95% ensuring humanity won't get wiped out or sent back into stone age by some shit beyond our ability to control, avoid or mitigate.

[Anonymous No.11973225]

>>11973160

That was the point, that the diamond-shaped shield was meant to protect the ship once it got up to relativistic velocities and was meant to be as large as possible as a result. IIRC the exhaust plumes were supposed to be more like massive laser beams dozens of miles long since they were basically magnetically-confined matter/antimatter reactions directed backwards and the velocity of the exhaust particles was so relativistically fast that they didn't begin to appreciably expand horizontally until tens of miles behind the vessel.

Also, those diamond-shaped shields were supposed to detach and maneuver themselves out to dozens of miles ahead of the vessel, spaced miles apart, to act as spaced armor against relativistic interactions with stray molecules during the trip. The movie might have been whatever but my God was the ship a truly pornographic piece of hard sci-fi hardware.

[Anonymous No.11973231]

Holy shit, the Kodiak Island spaceport is top notch.

>>11973225
The Pandora system itself was fantastic too, an Earth-class tropical moon with floating mountains made of warp drive material orbiting a blue gas giant is top tier. The only thing the movie did wrong was making Quaritch the bad guy.

[Anonymous No.11973248]

>>11973231
wow that's fucking beautiful

[Anonymous No.11973251]

>>11973025
>nor fuel-efficient
Compared to a rocket engine - it is, and very much so, and there's a lot of room for improvement as well. So it's not at all clear the extra weight convern is valid in all cases.

When I say ballistic I mean as opposite to a proper flyback burn because there's a lot of difference between that and just a short retrograde burn to break your fall a bit. Of course you need to slow down to a reasonable speed before entering the atmosphere, but it applies equally to either vehicle, so it's not a thing to consider here.

[Anonymous No.11973252]

Why don't you fuckers post on one thread, it's getting confusing tracking what post is where!

[Anonymous No.11973259]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290710257728024578

[Anonymous No.11973266]

>>11973248
The whole coast is like that all the way down to Olympia, Washington. Also, Astra is trying their launch again today unless Scrubby the Launch Boat intervenes.

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1290707505866092544

[Anonymous No.11973268]

>>11973252
I honestly don‘t know why there‘s a hop thread. This general literally started as /welding watch general/

[Anonymous No.11973287]

>>11973231
>The Pandora system itself was fantastic too, an Earth-class tropical moon with floating mountains made of warp drive material orbiting a blue gas giant is top tier. The only thing the movie did wrong was making Quaritch the bad guy.

It wasn't warp drive, it was a room-temperature superconductor that, among other things, allowed the humans to make relatively simple magnetic confinement systems for reactors,which was why the interstellar vessel was powered by matter/antimatter versions of Zubrin's nuclear salt water rocket with incomprehensible ISP (with extra hydrogen injected into the exhaust stream to boost thrust) and the space shuttles were powered by Gundam-style compact fusion reactors.

IIRC in some of the accompanying materials they even explained that the ISV we see in the film is a smaller second generation one, and that the first ISVs that were sent to Alpha Centauri/Polyphemus/Pandora were much larger since they needed to rely on pre-unobtanium superconductor tech to make their matter/antimatter annihilation rockets work and needed giant engines and radiators as a result.

[Anonymous No.11973303]

>>11971882
This is literally just a lazy photoshop of a still of the Corellian spaceport from Solo.
You can actually see Han running down the causeway in the bottom left.

[Anonymous No.11973308]

>>11973156
>FAA
>boats

[Anonymous No.11973309]

>>11973303
but nobody has actually watched solo

[Anonymous No.11973310]

>>11973171
>I'm gonna EXTROOOOOD!
fixed

[Anonymous No.11973312]

[Anonymous No.11973313]

>>11973308
Get the Navy to blow those fuckers out of the water.

[Anonymous No.11973318]

>>11972274
When Putin dies, I'm interested to see what Russia becomes. He's been single-handedly responsible for bringing Russia through the information age, and hasn't done a very good job.

[Anonymous No.11973319]

>>11973287
>,which was why the interstellar vessel was powered by matter/antimatter versions of Zubrin's nuclear salt water rocket with incomprehensible ISP (with extra hydrogen injected into the exhaust stream to boost thrust)
Jebus. Talk about your death ray thrust systems.

[Anonymous No.11973323]

>>11972368
The only way to avoid that, as far as we know, is continuous expansion. We're in rat-world because we ran out of frontier.

[Anonymous No.11973326]

>>11972461
>All immigration to Mars must be limited to people with PhD

in STEM field or medicine

[Anonymous No.11973328]

>>11973313
The Navy has had severe funding cuts and a lack of ships, they're stretched thin enough as is.

[Anonymous No.11973336]

>>11973309
I know.
They were going to do a loose adaptation of Shadows of the Empire with Solo as the first movie, but someone decided to kill it by fucking over the movie with a nonsense release date. It could have been a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.11973337]

>>11973231
>The only thing the movie did wrong was making Quaritch the bad guy.

based Quaritch

[Anonymous No.11973345]

>>11973337
higher res

[Anonymous No.11973349]

>>11973319
I think one of the accompanying materials explained that all crew compartments on the ISV were 100% made out of nonmetallic composites to prevent the occupants from being bathed in gamma radiation from interactions with stray particles from the exhaust and metallic structures in the ship. There was something about "X-ray reflective nanomaterials" being used to armor parts of the ship as well.

[Anonymous No.11973352]

>>11973345
We're getting him back when the other movies eventually release, too

[Anonymous No.11973355]

>>11973352
My great hope is that by that point the cultural zeitgeist has shifted enough that Quaritch purging xenos is seen as a noble task.

[Anonymous No.11973360]

another pic of Kodiak

[Anonymous No.11973361]

>>11973323
The rat utopias didn’t even reach their possible max population allowed by housing, food, and water. Birthrates dropped off a cliff after a population boom because of severe mental dysfunctions developing

[Anonymous No.11973364]

>>11973360
Probably not the best place to launch near pole.

[Anonymous No.11973366]

>>11973326
>>11972461
>>11972368

Go even simpler than those and refuse to grant passage to anyone who can't score above 130 on a Stanford-Binet.

>>11973345
>>11973352

God I hope that they flip the script a la Aliens and T2 so that Quartich is now the good guy.

Something like him and Sigourney Weaver are reanimated by the planet spirit and sent to destroy the abomination Jake Sully who in his hybrid avatar body has brought nothing but dysfunction and cultural pollution to Pandora. Have the planet recognize that the humans will die without the technology that she can give them, and decide to propose a truce and set aside some of herself so that the unobtanium can be mined and the humans back on earth can survive as well.

[Anonymous No.11973367]

>>11973364
It is for polar and sun-synchronous orbits for the exact same reason it's bad for prograde orbits - the Earth provides less west-to-east kick at the launch site.

[Anonymous No.11973375]

>>11973367
Yep. This is why the ruskies have Plesetsk at more or less the same latitude.

[Anonymous No.11973378]

>>11973251
It all comes down to details, you have a certain margin when you don't need to carry as much fuel, but much less so if you carry a jet engine. We already know from the Falcon that an additional engine is not needed for RTLS, so an airbreathing engine is simply a dead weight. An optimal winged booster would be the same as that stage, but with a shorter retroburn and no decelerating/landing burn as it would simply glide back.

> there's a lot of difference between that and just a short retrograde burn to break your fall a bit
You save some fuel but have to carry an engine. The tradeoff is not obvious at all in respect to the mass efficiency, and it's clear as hell in respect to simplicity (unpowered is better).

[Anonymous No.11973379]

>>11973366
You don't even need to make it about that, you could make it simpler, that Jake's hybrid body contained the common cold (or COVID-19 for extra meme points) and now the goddess tree is having fever dreams that are making the entire Na'vi civilization go insane. Quaritch and Sigourney Weaver must show them the beauty and power of science, empiricism, medicine, and non-organic technology.

[Anonymous No.11973393]

>>11973345
>>11973337
Damn sounds straight out of warhammer 40k

[Anonymous No.11973398]

What the hell I never sleep in this late. Did they attempt another hop and abort again?? Looks like there's activity in Boca and elon said they were gonna try again today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QbM7Vsz3kg

[Anonymous No.11973403]

>>11973379
That, or do the Beast Machines thing and have both sides end up embracing a blend of the organic and the synthetic to move forward into the stars together.

That, or just make the bad guys cool again and have the Earth ODSTs sent to reclaim Pandora be equipped with Avatar-derived Evangelion-style biomechanical exosuits built around Pandoran xenobiology.

[Anonymous No.11973404]

>>11973398
yup, boaters decided they wanted a closer look

[Anonymous No.11973414]

>>11973403
i dont get why the humans dont just genocide the aliens and then mine the moon dry

[Anonymous No.11973420]

>>11973414
that alien pussy hit different tho

[Anonymous No.11973423]

>>11973393
It comes from /tg/ and is one of the progenitor memes of the Humanity, Fuck Yeah fad.

[Anonymous No.11973431]

>>11973366
>anyone who can't score above 130 on a Stanford-Binet.
That is 95% of the people in this thread, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.11973441]

>>11973420
Maybe the Na'vi are like gorillas and have tiny penises relative to their overall size, but that in addition to his 5-digited human hands/feet and human-style eyes, Jake's Avatar also retained a penis that was sized proportionally the same way that it would be on a human, so that as a result, getting up in Neytiri felt as tight as fucking a 12 year old, while it stretched Neytiri like nothing before and made her experience sensations that she didn't even think were possible?

That would explain a lot.

[Anonymous No.11973444]

>>11973431
My Sanford Binet was in the 140s though, do I get to be first in line for the piss tunnels???

[Anonymous No.11973448]

>>11973361
Yes, you're not even supposed to approach population capacity of a given environment. Individual planets and orbital colonies will eventually see many of the same issues as Earth, but the untamed frontier is where the human mind is "healthiest," at least for now, because that's still where our brain are, on an evolutionary timescale. Outward expansion is the key.

[Anonymous No.11973461]

>>11973448
Its unlikely there will be large population outside of Mars and Moon.

[Anonymous No.11973471]

>>11973404
>Look, Charles, that water tower going to explode again!
>>11973444
No, you have been disqualified from going to Mars since you were retarded enough to post here with the rest of us retards. Nothin' personnel, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.11973473]

>>11973461
I like to think that if we can get a handle on ISRU enough to build O'Neill cylinders in the Lagrange points or cities on Mars, that it'll only be a matter of time before we see Zone of The Enders-style colonies orbiting Jupiter and the other gas giants in order to mine the resources on their moons, etc.

[Anonymous No.11973480]

>>11973471
Fine, I'll go back to jacking off to eastern european amateur porn.

[Anonymous No.11973483]

>>11972589
>If Mars habitation/colonization takes off, we'll probably see something similar to Avatar where a fleet of giant, exotically-powered, space-optimized

Yes, except this part.

>exotically-powered

It seems like too big a technological stretch at this point.

Any interstellar vehicle that we’re likely to see in this century is going to be powered by something similar to Orion (being assembled in orbit).

[Anonymous No.11973512]

>>11973423
I like the "humanity, fuck yeah" stories, sure most of them are bad, but there are a few gems in between.

[Anonymous No.11973513]

>”Alright /sfg/, we got good news and bad news. Good news is we’ve touched down on mars damned near intact and we’re on stable ground...”
“The bad news?”
>”This thing ain’t a starship anymore, It’s mars’s first tower. We’re lodged into the ground.”
“Alright. We’ll salvage the engines and turn the fuel tanks into more habitat. Proonterfag, get some regolith and proont some exterior shielding. Prefabfag, get those culverts ready to expand the base, This is home now.”

[Anonymous No.11973522]

>>11973513
But what do they eat?
The most useless one first?

[Anonymous No.11973526]

no hop

[Anonymous No.11973527]

>>11973483
>Any interstellar vehicle that we’re likely to see in this century is going to be powered by something similar to Orion

That's what I meant, "exotically powered" as in "not hydrolox/methalox/kerolox/hypergolics". There will still be folks making the trip each synod using chemical rockets, but it'll be mostly nonperishable cargo and poor colonists.

[Anonymous No.11973529]

>>11973522
Presumably the rations while the aquaponics system grows food using biomass rendered from the dead niggers /pol/fags brought

[Anonymous No.11973534]

>>11973522
It's "The Martian", only now they're cultivating the potatoes in compost made from the chopped-up, decomposing bodies of their fellow crew members who drew the short straws.

[Anonymous No.11973539]

>>11973529
>>11973534

Jesus Christ lol, the hivemind strikes again

[Anonymous No.11973557]

>>11973534
We just have to survive until the banana-cluster bug legs are big enough to eat

[Anonymous No.11973562]

>>11973144
Imagine if they landed the capsule on one of these boomer retards' boats

[Anonymous No.11973576]

>>11973461
we might see a relatively large population on callisto, ganymede, and titan within a hundred years. i think those moons could potentially even become independent like mars

[Anonymous No.11973582]

>>11973576
Titan has is opposite of Venus its super cold out there and it has dense atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.11973585]

>>11973557
And end up like the Moon wizards?

[Anonymous No.11973586]

>>11973585
Moon wizard is apex humanity

[Anonymous No.11973588]

[Anonymous No.11973592]

>>11973582
its not nearly as dense as venus though, you dont even need a pressure suit

[Anonymous No.11973594]

>>11972744
Source on the comments? They have a point, reusability cuts payload massively

[Anonymous No.11973599]

>>11973592
You would be bathing in liquid methane.

[Anonymous No.11973606]

>>11973592
When are they sending another mission there? Titan is arguably more interesting than Mars.

[Anonymous No.11973610]

INCELADUS
WHEN

[Anonymous No.11973612]

Bobendug live in 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_mO5uu853I

[Anonymous No.11973613]

bobndoug interview shortly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_mO5uu853I

[Anonymous No.11973649]

*SIIIIIIPS*
ahhhhhh
tastes like terraforming

[Anonymous No.11973655]

>>11973513
Someone call the urine airlock fag, it's their time to shine

[Anonymous No.11973663]

>>11973606
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(spacecraft)
Will take high quality images of titan's surface and will travel around a hundred kilometers I believe.

[Anonymous No.11973668]

>>11973599
You know the crust of titan is literally made of water ice right

[Anonymous No.11973674]

Post your favourite
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Logos_of_STS_missions

[Anonymous No.11973675]

>>11973599
...No? There’s lakes of it but most of the surface is dry

[Anonymous No.11973679]

I wonder if I made an Outer Solar System Moons General /OSMG/, how successful it'd be.

[Anonymous No.11973681]

>>11973606
Titan is probably the most interesting celestial body in our system.

[Anonymous No.11973689]

>>11973679
no

[Anonymous No.11973693]

>>11973689
what do you mean, no?

[Anonymous No.11973697]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_mO5uu853I

Real soon, should be any minute now

[Anonymous No.11973702]

>>11973697
Live

Bob/Doug

[Anonymous No.11973708]

>>11972062
Make the engine out of flourine

[Anonymous No.11973712]

>>11973708

[Anonymous No.11973713]

>>11973675
There are rains of stuff. I would pick Io as most interesting moon because of volcanoes.

[Anonymous No.11973714]

I really liked Bob in No Country for Old Men.

[Anonymous No.11973715]

How much do you think they hate doing all this media? They probably just wanna go to space and be with their families

[Anonymous No.11973717]

the ravages of 0g on complexion

[Anonymous No.11973718]

>Hey anon! You should come hang out with us, we have front row seats for that exploding water tower people keep talking about! Have some fun for once! Becky hasn't stopped asking about you, come keep her company!

[Anonymous No.11973720]

“We’ll probably have 35 or so FAA-licensed launches this year. We’ll have one or more a week next year,” FAA Administrator Steve Dickson on the commercial space sector.
https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1290734703587348482

America is going for 60+ launches next year?

*posted it in the wrong thread >>11973682

[Anonymous No.11973726]

>>11973718
Social isolation makes people mentally ill

[Anonymous No.11973728]

Virgin Airlines going out of business, Virgin Galactic next?
>VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS LTD FILES CHAPTER 15 BANKRUPTCY IN N.Y.
https://twitter.com/breakingmkts/status/1290724743797190657

[Anonymous No.11973736]

>>11973728
Irrelevant, two different subsidiaries.

[Anonymous No.11973747]

Isn't it really retarded that the only thing stopping humanity from conquering the solar system is completely arbitrary? We could have people on the Moon, Mars and the outer solar system but some tardy bunch of autists invented a peace of paper two thousand years ago and now the future of humanity has been postponed by some 50 odd years.

[Anonymous No.11973758]

>>11973728
>>11973736
>Irrelevant, two different subsidiaries.
No, his mistake was confusing Virgin Galactic for a company that sells flights instead of a company that sells computer renders. Branson can't even run a profitable airline company, it's only a matter of time until Virgin Galactic fails as well. They only exist because of gullible shareholders who keep buying the stock and funding it, that will eventually run out as they realize that Branson promised flights to space over a decade ago and he will keep delaying it.

[Anonymous No.11973764]

whoops had some bits of non transparent left over
v2 of Stach Jim

[Anonymous No.11973769]

>>11973764
That's a big stache

[Anonymous No.11973770]

>>11973713
Rain on titan is really rare though

[Anonymous No.11973774]

>>11973764
kek what a dude
I wonder what lacky Biden'll replace him with.

[Anonymous No.11973782]

>>11973770
It accumulates for decades and then releases in one fuckhueg downpour

[Anonymous No.11973785]

>>11973774
Biden won't win.

[Anonymous No.11973796]

Everything you need to know about Virgin Galactic can be learned by looking at the date this video was posted, 14 fucking years ago. Imagine being one of the people who bought tickets back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBlifr6EQNU

[Anonymous No.11973812]

Electron got a 50kg boost from battery improvements.
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1290680251916288000

[Anonymous No.11973813]

Doug booming out currently

[Anonymous No.11973816]

I've yet to see a NASA event where people only ask one question apiece

[Anonymous No.11973821]

Can't believe Doug called up Obama just to tell him he's a nigger

[Anonymous No.11973849]

quick someone on social media ask them if they get to keep the custom-fitted gloves or not, I wonder

[Anonymous No.11973852]

>>11973812
My bad 75kg to LEO.
225kg to 300kg

[Anonymous No.11973856]

>>11973812
Cool and all, but it needs to successfully launch this next mission.

[Anonymous No.11973857]

>>11973378
>We already know from the Falcon that an additional engine is not needed for RTLS
We only know it's good enough to be used in practice, even though on a few rather specific launch profiles, but actually even before that we also know that it's not at all optimal (or they won't be bothering with drone ships).

>but with a shorter retroburn
Not by much, it would still have to go at least half the way back on rocket power before switching to aerodynamic flight because I can't see it having more than like 200 or 300 km of unpowered glide range. It would also have to be better optimized for glide ratio, which sure as hell comes as a tradeoff with something else.

[Anonymous No.11973859]

>>11973796
You just know there's an alternate history where he didn't pull the self-destruct lever and they flew their first passengers in 2015 or 2016 and are still relevant today, talking about the orbital SpaceShipThree that they're designing with SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11973865]

>>11973728
At least he still has the music business!

[Anonymous No.11973897]

>>11973747
>We could have people on the Moon, Mars and the outer solar system but some tardy bunch of autists invented a peace of paper two thousand years ago and now the future of humanity has been postponed by some 50 odd years.

Oh my, I completely forgot that the 11th Commandment said:
>Thou shalt let niggers vote and restructure the very fabric of thy society around pandering to them."

[Anonymous No.11973909]

>>11973897
it was nice when only landowners could vote, but then we would have become a renters society because the rich people would have just bought up all the land

[Anonymous No.11973913]

>>11973248
>>11973231
Alaska is underrated

[Anonymous No.11973917]

>>11973913

[Anonymous No.11973925]

>>11973917

[Anonymous No.11973935]

>>11973674
these are good

[Anonymous No.11973938]

>>11973812
I wonder how many smallsats are between 300 kg and 500 kg which is the max LauncherOne can send to orbit. I doubt they'll be able to compete with Rocket Lab on price without subsidizing it so maybe that's their market until Starship plus space tugs tears both companies a new asshole.
>>11973859
I don't know, I feel like they still wouldn't be doing commercial flights even without the accident. The accident delayed them but they quickly learned that the copilot basically committed suicide by deploying the feathering system before he should have. It wasn't really their fault, outside of not putting in a mechanism that would have not released the system before a certain point.

I think their real mistake is making suborbital flights their hill to die on instead of immediately moving onto SpaceShipThree. The market for people who are willing to spend hundreds of thousands just to spend a few minutes in space is very small when the cost of orbital spaceflight is rapidly falling. Maybe they can transition to creating space stations and paying SpaceX for passenger transport but I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.11973949]

>>11973925
>>11973917
>>11973913
>mountains and trees
Wow, we don't have that literally everywhere else

[Anonymous No.11973952]

>>11973938
>spacecraft contains a literal "pull this to kill yourself" lever
>surprised someone accidentally uses it

[Anonymous No.11973955]

>>11973949

[Anonymous No.11973962]

>>11973955
anime opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.11973971]

Pure Kino

[Anonymous No.11973982]

[Anonymous No.11973989]

>>11973971
Fisher was a qt

[Anonymous No.11973992]

>>11973962
anime weebsite

[Anonymous No.11973993]

>>11973989
Agreed
>>11973982
Fucking cool

[Anonymous No.11974045]

>>11973856
True but considering Rocket Labs record only one failure is damn good. Unless there is test failures we dont know about.

[Anonymous No.11974056]

>>11973962
Today, I will remind them...

[Anonymous No.11974121]

>>11973747
>but some tardy bunch of autists invented a peace of paper two thousand years ago and now the future of humanity has been postponed by some 50 odd years.
If the invention of money is thousands of years old, how did it delay human progress by only half a century? We're literally here now because of money, people agreeing on a common currency with which to make trade among people much more streamlined and allow for opportunities to expand and diversify.

[Anonymous No.11974128]

SN5 venting once more, and pads being cleared

[Anonymous No.11974131]

>>11973859
In that alternate universe, some guy pulls the self destruct lever while carrying a fully booked load of millionaire passengers and everyone dies, taking space tourism with it for another 40 fucking years.

[Anonymous No.11974138]

>>11974121
I think it should be unanimously agreed upon that Funding should never be a problem for something that progresses science and humanity

[Anonymous No.11974144]

>>11973962
This

[Anonymous No.11974149]

Will he start an attack submarine company now?

[Anonymous No.11974155]

>>11974056
Stop being obnoxious, you massive faggot. Just because no one is stopping you from posting anime and detracting from the thread it doesn't mean you should.

[Anonymous No.11974157]

>>11974138
That's what people would have been saying about SLS right now if Falcon 1 flight 4 had failed and killed the company.
No, nobody gets a free pass for simple advancement. The idea that advancement alone is worth any cost, for any amount, is dumb. Advancements need to be made through competition of competent organizations, where some succeed and others are allowed to fail, to ensure that the maximum amount of progress (and therefore value) is purchased with every dollar allocated to that effort.

[Anonymous No.11974160]

>>11973949
the mountains are a lot bigger in alaska though and its all taiga

[Anonymous No.11974173]

>>11974157
But just imagine what life on the Moon would look like if the Apollo program would still be active?

[Anonymous No.11974183]

come and join the H O P >>11972818

[Anonymous No.11974191]

>>11974183
>He thinks the hop is happening

[Anonymous No.11974212]

>>11974191
Doomer!

[Anonymous No.11974218]

>>11974183
H O O P

[Anonymous No.11974222]

>>11974191
Reminder that doomerism is for filthy t*rrans.

[Anonymous No.11974275]

>>11974222
trips of truth, their souls are weighed down by gravity

[Anonymous No.11974279]

It's not even venting....

[Anonymous No.11974282]

What does /sfg/ think of my autistic copy of Delta II?

[Anonymous No.11974310]

>>11974282
4/10 fairing not long enough

[Anonymous No.11974313]

>>11974282
fuck I meant Delta III

[Anonymous No.11974331]

It's extra autistic because it's a Delta III with an Atlas V upper stage style thing going on

[Anonymous No.11974333]

>>11974282
I know you're probably trying to keep it accurate, but those SRB's need SRB's attached to them

[Anonymous No.11974337]

>>11974310
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Anonymous No.11974352]

>>11974333
>those SRB's need SRB's attached to them
Kek

[Anonymous No.11974413]

LAUNCH TONIGHT!

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1290771173861543937

[Anonymous No.11974425]

>>11974413
>cube-sat launcher
yawn

[Anonymous No.11974426]

>>11974337
t.

[Anonymous No.11974428]

>>11974425
It's a new American rocket design launching from Alaska and has interesting implications for future smallsat launch site flexibility if it works.

[Anonymous No.11974443]

>>11972785
I think this is the opposite of overengineering, they tried to make the initial setup simple

[Anonymous No.11974451]

BRAAAAAAAAAAP

[Anonymous No.11974464]

>>11974425
Everyone's gotta start somewhere.
Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Anonymous No.11974475]

Send in the tactical boats

[Anonymous No.11974490]

>>11974425
You mean smallsat.

[Anonymous No.11974524]

WE HOPPIN

[Anonymous No.11974530]

We did it reddit!

[Anonymous No.11974546]

LONG HAVE I WAITED

[Anonymous No.11974550]

IT FLEW IT FLEW IT FUCKING FLEW

[Anonymous No.11974563]

I wasn't expecting it to stick the landing holy shit

[Anonymous No.11974568]

Who said silos can't fly

[Anonymous No.11974592]

>>11974550
>Texas has the leaning tower of Elon

[Anonymous No.11974606]

>Literally more flight time than SLS
Absolute state of oldspace RN.

[Anonymous No.11974629]

What a monster of an engine. Did you see whatever it was blowing up about 3-5 seconds in? There were pieces flying for several seconds after.

[Anonymous No.11974631]

>>11974606
More flight time than BO

[Anonymous No.11974644]

>>11974629
the stand it was sitting on got blasted

[Anonymous No.11974645]

>>11974191
What say you now?

[Anonymous No.11974651]

>>11974629
Test stand got caught in the engine plume, some of the COPV bottles stuck to it didn't like that

[Anonymous No.11974657]

Why does SpaceX use Spot to check on the rockets when they could just use a cheap drone?

[Anonymous No.11974660]

>>11974651
>COPV
That would explain it.

[Anonymous No.11974662]

>>11974645
I admit I was wrong and I'm not even mad.

[Anonymous No.11974685]

Congratulations to SpaceX! Onwards to a brighter future.

[Anonymous No.11974696]

>>11974657
They are checking it with a drone right now
Zeus can get into tighter spaces

[Anonymous No.11974709]

cmon guys this isnt just a space x achievement. who here #teamspace?

[Anonymous No.11974714]

>>11974631
Well, more flight time than NG. NS has flown multiple times, but it's a dinky little thing.

[Anonymous No.11974722]

>>11974709
Fuck you, this is 100% SpaceX's achievement and SpaceX's alone

[Anonymous No.11974728]

We witnessed history today.

[Anonymous No.11974729]

>>11974657
Difficult to examine the engine area with a drone

[Anonymous No.11974730]

>>11974709

[Anonymous No.11974744]

Imagine if they actually do

[Anonymous No.11974750]

Lets fucking GO!

Add it to the montage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bumUQwQIU&list=PL53ealidHf7CLkOYWIKeQ-Ieit2MS5qUh&index=3

[Anonymous No.11974752]

Astra launch window opens in 98 minutes!

[Anonymous No.11974757]

>>11974744
:O
Is this real?

[Anonymous No.11974758]

>>11974744
Counterfeit and homosexual.

[Anonymous No.11974762]

>>11974757
No.

[Anonymous No.11974768]

>>11974728
>tfw I was watching for hours but then went away for a few minutes only to come back and see it already hopped

[Anonymous No.11974769]

lil babby legs

[Anonymous No.11974774]

>>11974768
Lol I was in the fucking bathtub. Couldn't miss it so I brought the computer with me.

[Anonymous No.11974777]

literally just woke up from a nap
fuck

[Anonymous No.11974785]

>>11974769
It lost its shins after it killed fiddy oldspace contracts.

[Anonymous No.11974788]

>>11974768
Rewind. Everyone did that anyway several times. It's 6:57:25 on the Nerdle.

[Anonymous No.11974802]

>>11974788
I already did, thanks though.

[Anonymous No.11974823]

Holy shit it hopped

[Anonymous No.11974829]

>>11974823
You bet your ass it did

[Anonymous No.11974832]

>>11974823
without aero surfaces; rolled like 90° too

[Anonymous No.11974834]

USA USA USA

[Anonymous No.11974846]

>>11974834
Incredible how all this happened because of an African immigrant. Diversity truly is the US' greatest strength :)

[Anonymous No.11974848]

>>11974834

[Anonymous No.11974853]

>>11974846
but but muh emerald mine

[Anonymous No.11974873]

next thread pic

[Anonymous No.11974882]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwC6LG_z8zE
If you skip to about 40% you can hear the thing roaring.

[Anonymous No.11974890]

Zurbuchen was watching

[Elon Musk No.11974903]

Page 10 creeps closer, and a new topic is at hand

>>11974902
>>11974902
>>11974902
>>11974902

[Anonymous No.11974910]

>>11974903
>page 8
anon pls

[Anonymous No.11974915]

>>11974910
Anon YES

[Anonymous No.11974920]

>>11974873
K I N O

[Anonymous No.11975288]

>>11973992
it's true