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/sfg/ Spaceflight General Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:31:36 2020 No.11954519 [Reply] [Original]

old thread >>11950077

today: mars 2020 launch
sunday: 150m hop + crewdragon landing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:32:40 2020 No.11954524 ywn be a Dragon 2 pilot with a space wife who is also a dragon pilot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:32:44 2020 No.11954525 File: 65 KB, 993x417, EeM33_KU8AAnfzU-orig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Elon posted an overhead shot of the static fire.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:33:08 2020 No.11954528 Another Elon tweet https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1288935356310552576

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:33:16 2020 No.11954529 File: 956 KB, 842x595, EeM2xZuWkAEUK9j-orig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954525 Also here's an Ariane V on the pad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:33:25 2020 No.11954531 orbital refuelling depots

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:13 2020 No.11954535 >>11954525 Hop when?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:16 2020 No.11954536 >>11954529 What launch is this for? Just some euro sat? >>11954531 Based

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:32 2020 No.11954538 >I don’t see how the rocket could keep from moving if Earth is moving and they’re not connected oh boy here we go

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:37 2020 No.11954539 File: 963 KB, 794x565, amred_shelby_right.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954531 NOT ON MY WATCH YOU FILTHY COMMIE

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:54 2020 No.11954541 >>11954519 Which starship is on the pad right now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:35:10 2020 No.11954542 >>11954541 SN5

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:35:17 2020 No.11954543 >>11954536 Two Northrop Grumman sats (UHD TV and a repair bird) and a Japanese UHD TV satellite, all to GTO. >>11954535 Sunday. >>11954541 That's SN5. Static fire happened during last thread. All norminal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:35:44 2020 No.11954545 >>11954531 Working on it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:36:11 2020 No.11954547 >>11954538 It’s simple... we, uh, kill the bait man

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:36:31 2020 No.11954549 >>11954519 >billions of tax dollars wasted so Musk and fart fucking stupid grain silo "rockets" and destroy the local ecosystem what a fucking joke, Musk is a con artist

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:37:07 2020 No.11954552

>>11954538
Sorry nevermind I figured out why it wouldn’t move. Conservation of momentum it would keep the rotational motion of the earth when it separated from earth because obviously it’s moving with earth as long as it’s on the ground, and how the hell would you kill off all that energy when they were no longer in physical contact

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:37:15 2020 No.11954554 >>11954539 wonder if shelby uses gas stations of his fat brown envelopes from boeing allow him to use expendable cars.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:37:19 2020 No.11954555 File: 136 KB, 400x267, Eds0YGuWkAIBC5c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >crashes into your station CYKA BLYAT

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:37:51 2020 No.11954556 >>11954543 Where did this sunday figure come from? cameron county website has tomorrow as the primary closure date and saturday and sunday as backup dates >>11954549 3/10 needs improvement

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:38:09 2020 No.11954557 >>11954543 Repair bird?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:39:10 2020 No.11954559 >>11954549 Weak bait seen it before

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:39:29 2020 No.11954561

>>11954557
>Repair bird?

To be deployed first during the flight trajectory is Galaxy 30, built by Northrop Grumman for Intelsat. G-30 will provide UHD video distribution/broadcast and broadband services that cover North America.

MEV-2 is to be separated from Ariane 5 in Flight VA253’s second deployment step. This highly innovative satellite servicing vehicle, which is built by Northrop Grumman’s wholly-owned company, SpaceLogistics LLC, is designed to dock with satellites in orbit, offering life extension services. The initial spacecraft target for MEV-2 is the Intelsat 10-02 satellite, which has been in geostationary orbit since 2004. MEV-2 will provide five years of life extension for this relay platform.

Completing Ariane 5’s mission is the deployment of BSAT-4b, designed for Ultra-High-Definition (UHD, 4K and 8K) direct-to-home television broadcasting across Japan in conjunction with its twin, BSAT-4a – launched by Arianespace in 2017. Built by Maxar Technologies, BSAT-4b will be operated by Japan’s Broadcasting Satellite System Corporation (B-SAT).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:41:50 2020 No.11954566 >>11954561 That’s pretty cool. I assume they designed the old satellite with this in mind

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:42:19 2020 No.11954569

>>11954556
NOTAMs posted by FAA
copy paste from NSF forums:
Two new NOTAMs for 150m flight.

Beginning: August 02, 2020 at 1300 UTC
Ending: August 03, 2020 at 0100 UTC
Reason for NOTAM: TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR SPACE LAUNCH AND REENTRY OPS PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91
Altitude: From the surface up to and including FL(260)

Beginning: August 03, 2020 at 1300 UTC
Ending: August 04, 2020 at 0100 UTC
Reason for NOTAM: Same as above.
Altitude: Same as above.

A reminder that this type of NOTAM has only shown up when they want to attempt a hop.
For cryo and static fire, the ceiling is 1500ft not 26000ft and the reason given is different, "SPACE OPERATIONS" instead of "SPACE LAUNCH AND REENTRY OPS"

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_6530.html

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_6534.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:45:54 2020 No.11954580 >>11954569 wonderful, thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:46:18 2020 No.11954582 >>11954549 Pathetic bait. Try harder.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:46:24 2020 No.11954583 Thank god the FAA is super lenient on letting people launch explosives into the air, near a neighborhood of retarded stubborn boomers

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:47:08 2020 No.11954587 >>11954583 I'm pretty sure all the boomers are out and have been for a while

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:47:25 2020 No.11954588 >>11954583 They all left

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:47:57 2020 No.11954591 File: 18 KB, 332x376, bjin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954531 >orbital infrastructure this half century

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:48:32 2020 No.11954593 >>11954519 imagine the 150m hop being success. Would they rush to 20km hop in the next 3 weeks as planned?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:48:52 2020 No.11954594 >>11954583 I think the FAA is really into SpaceX because the company does all sorts of new an unusual things that give the agency ideas for new licenses and regulations to issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:49:17 2020 No.11954595 >>11954588 Then why all these restrictions?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:50:03 2020 No.11954596 >>11954549 The only thing he's destroying is AirBnB's liability by buying out the neighboring village

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:51:27 2020 No.11954599
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NASA is letting you send your name to Mars again, for a future mission, if you weren't able to send it the first time with Perseverance. If you're planning on sending shitposts, make sure you're clever about it because they do filter certain words and phrases.

https://mars.nasa.gov/participate/send-your-name/future

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:52:20 2020 No.11954600 >>11954595 Federal law is federal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:52:24 2020 No.11954601 Hop soon means today or this week?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:52:45 2020 No.11954603 >>11954595 it's still next to a public road

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:53:18 2020 No.11954604 >>11954595 While it's not Bong levels, US federal agencies love to regulate stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:53:39 2020 No.11954607 File: 256 KB, 640x262, BoardingPass_MyNameOnFutureMission.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954599

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:53:42 2020 No.11954608 File: 1.34 MB, 1400x573, Screenshot_2020-07-30 Mars Boarding Pass.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954599 Clearly not enough filtering.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:53:49 2020 No.11954609 >>11954601 August 1 or 2

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:55:37 2020 No.11954616 >>11954601 see >>11954569 August 2

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:55:45 2020 No.11954618 File: 2.64 MB, 2560x1600, Screen Shot 2020-07-30 at 4.55.11 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] nick is going to mars

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:56:05 2020 No.11954621 >>11954608 So edgy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:56:28 2020 No.11954622 >>11954593 Even if the 150 meter hop fails they’re going straight to 20 km after.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:56:30 2020 No.11954623 >>11954593 I seriously doubt that. IIRC Elon himself said on Twitter that there would be shorter hops (like few km) before the 20 km one. Cba to look for the tweet tho.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:56:56 2020 No.11954626 >>11954608 >>11954621 >mfw nate higgers is going to mars

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:58:04 2020 No.11954629 >>11954622 They have a self-destruct mechanism on board, right? I'd hate to see what would happen if SN5 lost control and started veering off anywhere but the sea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:58:11 2020 No.11954630 Starlink 9 has been delayed to NET August 6

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:58:15 2020 No.11954631 >>11954622 More like SN6 would take its place and do the 150m hop, instead of being scrapped.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:58:25 2020 No.11954633 >>11954599 >doing the name thing before the probe has even been revealed That's kinda lame. I'm assuming it's for whatever Mars 2030 is gonna be, but it's not really useful as PR at this stage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:00:44 2020 No.11954640 First Proton launch of the year in twenty minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-l-e95nST4

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:01:14 2020 No.11954641 >>11954640 Fuck busy day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:01:27 2020 No.11954642 >>11954633 >mars 2030 >a probe designed to monitor and evaluate life and areas of future landing around the first human colony

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:01:55 2020 No.11954645 >>11954640 wtf when did Russia start doing SpaceX style broadcasts

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:03:19 2020 No.11954648 >>11954645 Copy from the best, nothing to be ashamed about. ULA/NASA also copies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:03:38 2020 No.11954652 >>11954519 Audio from the static fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmb5_TTT-w

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:04:37 2020 No.11954654 >>11954645 they've gotten a lot better in the last few years. Especially the mid-launch graphics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:04:51 2020 No.11954655 >>11954642 /;

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:05:26 2020 No.11954657 >>11954642 >mars 2030 might be useful to find locations for a second colony on mars

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:05:29 2020 No.11954658 File: 387 KB, 680x708, a09.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SOLID ROCKET BOOSTER FIRST STAGES

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:06:31 2020 No.11954659 >>11954652 Did Mary describe the aroma?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:08:27 2020 No.11954667 >>11954599 >get to mars on starship before nasa sends your name there

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:10:08 2020 No.11954673 Preservation and Incongruity are well on their way

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:12:28 2020 No.11954679 >>11954631 What else would there be to learn? I mean if SN5 hops but tips over SpaceX probably would realize that there is t much to gain from repeating a 95% successful flight. It’s weird that they’d decide to scrap SN6 though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:19:58 2020 No.11954698 >>11954673 What's the name of the chink rover?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:20:43 2020 No.11954700 5 min to proton

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:21:08 2020 No.11954703 >>11954698 Crater-1 in hanzi, if all goes well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:23:09 2020 No.11954709 >>11954703 I usually cheer on any nation's efforts in space, but fuck china I hope it slams into Mars like a meteor.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:24:21 2020 No.11954712 >>11954700 Here's hoping they mounted the gyro the right way in this time and didn't go for the gopnik way of easing it in with a mallet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:25:03 2020 No.11954716 >>11954700 1 minute

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:25:18 2020 No.11954717 >>11954709 I hope it misses Mars insertion orbit and goes careening off into the asteroid belt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:25:27 2020 No.11954718 AH NU CHEEKI BREEKI! IV LAUNCH!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:26:59 2020 No.11954723 >>11954709 the best way to get the rest of the world to give a shit about space flight is if China succeeds and seems to be catching up. If they fail it'll just validate the way things are going even though we know they could be much, much better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:27:20 2020 No.11954724 >>11954608 >>11954607 >>11954618 >Jizz crater again wut

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:28:05 2020 No.11954725 2 more seconds toward Kessler Midnight

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:28:08 2020 No.11954726 >>11954724 I think they just haven't updated the templates.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:28:27 2020 No.11954728 It's so fucking kerbal this rocket. Absolute gopnik.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:28:41 2020 No.11954730 Is Proton the only launcher that has had 3 or 6 fold symmetry?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:29:28 2020 No.11954734 File: 57 KB, 464x380, The Sniffer Who.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954438 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:29:46 2020 No.11954736 Holy shit kino Forgot the second stage starts in flight lol.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:30:52 2020 No.11954742 File: 1.37 MB, 4096x2730, 1596111730446.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Man say what you will about solids, but they are surely undeniable kino when they work out

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:32:13 2020 No.11954747 >>11954736 That's why russian rockets have those grilles in midstages, they do hot-staging!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:32:18 2020 No.11954748 >>11954734 >Bezos Speaking of which, do we know anything about New Glenn other than "the BE-4 works"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:32:33 2020 No.11954749 File: 54 KB, 612x612, 1579460232940.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954742

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:32:35 2020 No.11954750 Closures cancelled for 31-2. Rip sn5

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:32:49 2020 No.11954752 >>11954730 Conestoga 1620.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:32:49 2020 No.11954753
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>>11954723
What you're saying makes sense, maybe it's better to hope for a good landing followed by a basic fuckup, gets stuck on a rock or something
>>11954742
AN AT-FIELD?!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:33:01 2020 No.11954754 >its all cgi, no camera feeds wtf

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:33:11 2020 No.11954755 Why Proton third stage need these four tiny thrusters?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:34:26 2020 No.11954756 >>11954754 Yeah, too dark for cameras to see anything, even when onboard the rocket

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:34:37 2020 No.11954757 >>11954754 Ask mr. Putin

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:34:49 2020 No.11954758 >>11954755 ullage thrusters, since that stage doesn't hot stage. Maybe also for roll control since there is only the one central engine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:35:06 2020 No.11954760 >>11954754 Well, at least it good cgi and not some Windows 95 stuff like during UAE Mars launch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:35:28 2020 No.11954761 >>11954755 I doesn’t have gimbal so it needs those for control

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:36:16 2020 No.11954763 >>11954755 Ullage as well as gimbal. It's not a solid, the second stage skips ullage thrusters because it goes full gopnik and ignites while the first is still active in the last few seconds.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:36:20 2020 No.11954764
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Astra did a media call about their upcoming “Rocket 3.1” launch from Kodiak:
• Launch window opens Sunday, but 60% chance of poor weather
• No payload on the rocket
• Goal is a nominal first stage burn
• No webcast, but they will tweet updates.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:37:10 2020 No.11954768 inb4 "If Biden win, he will rape and eat Elon"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:37:34 2020 No.11954770 >>11954764 can somebody update me about who astra are

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:37:35 2020 No.11954769 >>11954764 >No webcast That sucks, but I wish them luck anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:37:47 2020 No.11954772 >>11954756 Wrong. The engines are bright, you can still mount a camera to show it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:38:14 2020 No.11954774 >>11954748 If you go to BO's youtube, they have some stuff in the recent videos talking about the BE-3U, tank production, and the fairing. Not a lot of juicy details, but they're definitely building and testing some stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:38:16 2020 No.11954775 >>11954768 If Biden wins, he'll wonder where his mother is. That fucker is toast from alzheimer and will be roughly at that stage come November.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:38:46 2020 No.11954776 >>11954772 The engines don’t make light

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:39:33 2020 No.11954780 >>11954776 They're bright as fuck

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:39:43 2020 No.11954781

>>11954770
they were the final entrant in the DARPA launch challenge, though they didn't make the deadline. Their innovation is to design the rocket AND launch infrastructure to fit inside a standard international shipping container, so they are very flexible about where they can launch from, and can launch quickly (once they can launch at all).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:42:13 2020 No.11954788 >>11954718 and stream ended before Briz-M upper stage ignition. So far so good, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:46:30 2020 No.11954797 File: 859 KB, 1920x1080, ruscosmo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] At least the Russian chat stays on topic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:47:21 2020 No.11954799 Can the iss be pushed to geostationary orbit ? Strap some ion thrusters on it and slowly raise it to park above the USA. Then use it as a dry dock to build a torus station.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:47:55 2020 No.11954802 >>11954780 but also behind the rocket, hence they wouldn't really light up anything in the cameras point of view

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:48:42 2020 No.11954803 >>11954802 Russian bot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:48:44 2020 No.11954804 File: 1.31 MB, 480x346, no.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954799 >ion thrusters

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:50:14 2020 No.11954810 luck from? luck from where? they never say

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:50:25 2020 No.11954811 >>11954804 I figure you want a slow acceleration. Nuclear would provide that also.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:53:09 2020 No.11954819 >SN5 still pressurized >Road closures cancelled Uh oh bro’s...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:56:46 2020 No.11954830 >>11954552 Which is why you launch rockets as close as possible to the equator when you just want to make orbit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:56:58 2020 No.11954831 >>11954810 "good luck from germany" "good luck from america" "good luck from obongoland" etc

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:57:36 2020 No.11954836 >>11954819 Fucking faa, this should have been done two months ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:13:27 2020 No.11954875 >>11954819 it isnt pressurized

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:13:31 2020 No.11954876 >Boca Chica >have to truck potable water in What a sty

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:30:52 2020 No.11954920 >>11954811 No need for nuclear at 1au from the sun

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:33:36 2020 No.11954927 >>11954811 don't think that would sit well with FAA; it being in LEO and all

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:34:06 2020 No.11954930 >>11954876 Yep, that sty is probably going to end up the largest spaceport on planet Earth while our wonderful utopian cultured and civilized cities burn themselves to the ground. Thank god nothing of actual value to the country will be destroyed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:35:12 2020 No.11954933 fuck urf

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:36:16 2020 No.11954935 >>11954933 It's the best planet I've been to, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:39:43 2020 No.11954947 >>11954935 fuck planets gimme spinny space habitats embedded in asteroids

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:41:39 2020 No.11954952 FCC denied SpaceX's request to allowed to bid for low latency/gigabit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:44:46 2020 No.11954959 >>11954799 >Ion thrusters A "low and slow" Centaur-style tug cryogenic tug stage would probably be more than adequate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:51:13 2020 No.11954974 >>11954959 A single centaur would probably have insufficient total impulse to move the ISS to GEO. (even neglecting the issue that such a procedure would slowly move it through the Van Allen belts wich would seriously fuck up the electronics on board)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:59:52 2020 No.11955003 https://www.northropgrumman.com/space/omega-rocket/ Seems like a neat video list.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:09:06 2020 No.11955023

Amazon's Kuiper megaconstellation has been approved by the FCC
https://spacenews.com/amazons-kuiper-constellation-gets-fcc-approval/

>The U.S. Federal Communications Commission on July 30 approved Amazon’s request to operate a constellation of roughly 3,200 internet satellites in low Earth orbit.
>The FCC said Amazon has until July 30, 2026 to launch at least 50% of its satellites in order to maintain its authorization, and until July 30, 2029 to orbit the full constellation.
>Amazon has not outlined a launch plan for Kuiper yet, and told the FCC its constellation is still being designed. The company said it anticipates launching Kuiper satellites in five waves and starting service once the first, comprised of 578 satellites, is in orbit.

I wonder if Kuiper will stay in Amazon though? Amazon is going through alot of lawsuits and scrutiny lately because they've been abusing their monopoly. The company is ripe for a break up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:20:47 2020 No.11955055 Not a shitpost, is it at all possible to launch for Mars outside of the 2-year launch window? Let’s say worst-case scenario Mars and Earth are on the opposite side of the sun. Is the ^V just way too much to even try to launch anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:24:31 2020 No.11955071 >>11955055 I've heard that NASA were recently looking at Venus flyby trajectories that could do it, idk how well it would work though

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:27:41 2020 No.11955083 >>11955023 >I wonder if Kuiper will stay in Amazon though? They're running it out of the retail division right now, so maybe. If not, it'll go to Blue Origin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:28:19 2020 No.11955085 >>11955023 At least it will be more launches for spacex. Since Bezos' Body Odor can't launch anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:29:16 2020 No.11955088 >>11955085 They'll just put the sats on Russian launchers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:33:14 2020 No.11955097 >>11955088 Ruthless ((American)) company vs Russian Corruption who will win?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:37:01 2020 No.11955108 >>11955023 in my opinion breaking up big tech can only be a good thing. there hasn't been any innovation in 15 years because there hasn't been any serious competition

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:38:05 2020 No.11955111 File: 414 KB, 736x301, BoardingPass_MyNameOnFutureMission.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954599 I once chose this name when I played laser tag and the guy had to say it over the intercom

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:38:56 2020 No.11955114 >>11955023 What a chilling irony. An intellect like Kuiper being the namesake for an apparatus that may prevent mankind from ever reaching his focal curiosity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:38:59 2020 No.11955116 >companies are needing to put thousands of satellites up >there's not enough launchers to go around

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:39:21 2020 No.11955118 >>11954742 kino is such a faggy word

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:41:09 2020 No.11955123 >>11955118 How do you even pronounce it? Keen-o?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:41:22 2020 No.11955124 >>11955114 elaborate

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:45:46 2020 No.11955135 When will someone start cleaning up orbits? Giant free electron laser satellites should be used. They can vampire small stuff and push the bigger stuff into the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:46:38 2020 No.11955137 >>11955055 It is possible, yes, they only have they 2 year launch bs because they are scared of spending money.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:47:17 2020 No.11955142 >>11955116 >there's not enough launchers to go around Starship could possibly carry couple hundreds at a time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:47:41 2020 No.11955144 >>11955135 Because international nations are against of firing weapons at space, blame diplomacy and politician faggotry for that. NASA was planning this but was scrapped for this reason.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:49:07 2020 No.11955151 >>11955135 Starship open fairing that just scoops up all debris and deports it as one big trash can

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:50:35 2020 No.11955155 >>11954974 Hence the "Centaur-style" booster. An Apollo-style trajectory should be more than enough to avoid the belts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:50:38 2020 No.11955157 >>11955142 The companies wanting to launch that many satellites don't want to use Starship.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:51:56 2020 No.11955161 >>11955124 inb4 muh stars and muh kessler

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:52:33 2020 No.11955163 >>11955157 I don't think any company has announced they did want to launch on Starship. The rocket is still under development, it's too early for any company to make decisions on it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:52:55 2020 No.11955165 >>11955157 SpaceX does.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:55:40 2020 No.11955171 >>11955165 companies that arent spacex dont want to use spacex rockets*****

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:01:05 2020 No.11955185 >>11955155 That would require a lot of thrust and fuel. ISS is about 420 t heavy, and that's without the required fuel, tank and engine. Instead of a Centaur, you're looking at something like an SII...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:04:08 2020 No.11955191 >>11955171 SpaceX controls ~70% of commercial launch market.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:06:12 2020 No.11955195 >>11955191 Sounds like a FOREIGN monopoly needs to be broken up to protect AMERICAN markets.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:06:58 2020 No.11955196 >>11955191 And that's why Starlink is already 10 years ahead of the competition.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:10:58 2020 No.11955201 File: 165 KB, 900x720, 420chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955185 >420 ayy

>>	TRUST BUSTER Thu Jul 30 20:22:17 2020 No.11955216 >>11955023 TRUST THOSE BUSTS

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:27:11 2020 No.11955224 >>11955195 Actually, America had 0% commercial launch market when SpaceX entered.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:32:56 2020 No.11955237 >>11955201 Marshmallow fluff is actually Italian meringue

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:35:39 2020 No.11955243 >Amazon will invest at least $10 billion into building its satellite internet constellation Kuiper, the company tells CNBC based

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:39:47 2020 No.11955246

>>11955243
Bezos is really after everything Elon Musk is doing. LMAO.

From Tesla, he's stealing trade secrets.
With SpaceX, he's been trying to patent reusable rockets and trying to block SpaceX from using launchpads
With Starlink, he's been trying to block Starlink from accessing bandwidth

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:40:57 2020 No.11955249 >>11955246 he must be seething

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:41:06 2020 No.11955251

>>11955243
Here' the thing-if they wanted, they could probably bury spacex in launch and orbital internet markets.

just run everything at a STEEP loss. Like send payloads for almost nothing and charge people a pittance for your internet. Like the first 3 years are 50 bucks or something stupid like that. Who gives a shit if you lose money-you're AMAZON. The goal is to destroy all competition.

This is exactly why the rumbles of antitrust are a great thing0I'm not happy if Amazon does that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:44:51 2020 No.11955268 >>11955249 judging by the way Musk keeps calling for Amazon to be trust busted, yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:45:03 2020 No.11955269 >Amazon's satellites are mostly chinese bootlegs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:45:56 2020 No.11955273 >>11955269 seriously. I ordered a 20 pack of toothbrushes off of amazon. They were Vietnamese fakes. Ah well, use em for cleaning muh guns now

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:48:40 2020 No.11955282 >>11955269 Amazon Choice Satellite Internet. The dish us cardboard, must plug into a land line, and you hear 56k modem noises.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:58:04 2020 No.11955316 >>11954935 It's the worst planet I've been to, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:59:09 2020 No.11955321 >>11955118 >>>/reddit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:01:21 2020 No.11955327 >>11955273 Base'd

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:18:18 2020 No.11955374 >>11954561 NASA should buy an MEV to move the Hubble Space Telescope to an orbit where it could be more easily serviced. Maybe park it a few hundred miles from the ISS for easy access.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:23:08 2020 No.11955390 >>11955374 Does Hubble have a thruster it can dock with? I doubt it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:26:14 2020 No.11955399 >>11954531 Makes zero sense at all

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:30:41 2020 No.11955415 >>11955246 How the fuck could you patent something like a “launch pad”? If Elon decided to not give a fuck and launch anyways, who would enforce these patents? The fucking space force police?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:31:06 2020 No.11955417 >>11955390 Even better, the HST has a grappling fixture that was installed on the last servicing mission. The resourceful NG engineers can surely work some modifications to let the MEV to latch on to it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:32:36 2020 No.11955421 How many years until the new rover reaches Mars?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:34:36 2020 No.11955429 >>11955421 It arrives next February anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:35:06 2020 No.11955433 >>11955421 about .5 years

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:44:22 2020 No.11955456 >>11955251 >charge people a pittance for your internet Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s Amazon’s plan.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:49:49 2020 No.11955469

>>11955456
Amazon wants Kuiper for themselves. Being untethered from terrestrial ISPs means they can put branch offices anywhere, or fulfillment centers anywhere with a decent runway. It looks like there's been a push inside Amazon in expanding into the third world more, particularly places without a ton of local infrastructure. Kuiper could pay for itself by allowing Amazon to expand more aggressively into Africa, Asia, and South America. You can see this with stuff like Werner Vogels' "now go build" series of videos on YouTube. Selling Internet access to external customers is just gravy at that point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:57:16 2020 No.11955485 >>11955415 You don't, that's why Bezos lost that case, you can't patent an idea so broad as "haha rocket go brrr, land on boat!"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:02:36 2020 No.11955498 >>11955485 >noooo you gotta share 39A :((((( nasa is unfair :((( >of course we'll be utilizing it too! SpaceX can't hog it! >skip forward 8 years >...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:10:34 2020 No.11955517 >>11955498 If only Blue Origin actually had anything to launch

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:18:12 2020 No.11955534
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Would an expendable New Glenn be useful for anything? Expendable Falcon Heavy seems to play a part in a few concepts. (Commercial EM1, Europa Clipper)

New Glenn is so big that it feels like an expendable version could be practical for something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:34:08 2020 No.11955561 >>11955135 Orbital janitor spacecrafts soon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:35:50 2020 No.11955565 >>11955534 >ULA x SpaceX Nice, but I want to see starliner launced by a Falcon 9 first.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:37:43 2020 No.11955570
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>>11955415
Here is one of the drawings from Blue Origin's patent, which was filed in 2010. If the courts had been retarded and let the patent stand, infringement cases would have been enforced through the legal system just like any other patent. thankfully it was shot down.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:39:40 2020 No.11955574 static braaap test

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:40:39 2020 No.11955580
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>people here were claiming preserverance wouldn't launch this year
>it successfully did anyway

god I hate the pessimists in this general, neck yourselves hahaha

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:40:52 2020 No.11955581 >>11955570 What a faggot attempt, although it would be justified if Bezos seemed more interested in space flight. I would defend Elon if he went for this patent. Gotta take advantage of the market when you’re a business man

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:43:29 2020 No.11955587 >>11955534 >New Glenn is so big that it feels like an expendable version could be practical for something. Trans-lunar injection trajectory for the fuckhuge Blue Moon lander.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:43:44 2020 No.11955588 File: 14 KB, 600x436, pepe_sad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955570 >a timeline where the courts backed Blue Origin and holding back SpaceX for a decade Imagine...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:44:18 2020 No.11955591 >>11954679 They scrapped sn6 because the sn7 test tank did so well. After sn5 there's not much more they could learn from it so they went ahead with sn8 built from the new alloy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:45:07 2020 No.11955593 >>11955580 Threadly reminder that doomerism is for filthy t*rrans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:48:31 2020 No.11955599 >60% of Triton is Terra incognita How does the private sector sleep at night

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:51:05 2020 No.11955606 >>11955570 Draw a picture from your imagine that any 3 year old kids could do >Try to block someone from doing it IRL The absolute state of Jeff Who and Blue Ball

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:52:37 2020 No.11955610 >>11955599 what are you talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:55:03 2020 No.11955613 >>11955610 We’ve only seen Triton from a probe flyby. Most of its surface hasn’t been seen

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:56:07 2020 No.11955614 >>11955613 we're not gonna see the rest of triton's surface for a long time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:59:38 2020 No.11955619 man it's just crazy how a company like SpaceX has actually thrived and continues to push the boundaries of their success feels good to be alive in the 21st century

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:02:52 2020 No.11955622

>>11955588
I mean that wouldn't really have stopped SpaceX, they'd have just done what they're doing right now sooner, and put together a team of engineers to build them an oil rig-like landing platform in the gulf.
It would even have some benefits over a boat, it doesn't move, it can be built super heavy to resist any level of impact from a near-landing or bad weather, it needs relatively little upkeep and no fuel once in place, and it can be expanded to include significant facilities like propellant dumps. It can be tested on non-stop because it's so far away from people you don't have to worry about road closures or property disputes, just file your FAA paperwork if it's going to fly and LAAAAUUUUOOOONNCH.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:05:56 2020 No.11955631 >>11955614 Yeah whatever Terran. Tritonians rise up!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:08:08 2020 No.11955636 File: 1.04 MB, 163x130, 1596164226683.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How long until we see something from Blue Origin?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:08:49 2020 No.11955639 >>11955636 a year

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:09:33 2020 No.11955643 >>11955619 I do feel lucky that the internet boom has given absurd amounts of money to so many idealists. Things like Wikipedia and SpaceX never had to exist, but we got them and should cherish them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:09:39 2020 No.11955644 >>11955636 Supposedly late 2021, but who knows. They don't want to talk.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:11:44 2020 No.11955647 >>11955644 They may come up with a surprise, right? How many of us have been watching that fucking livestream of a pressure cooker for 4 days straight hoping for something to happen? The static fire test only happened after I gave up on it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:12:45 2020 No.11955648 >>11955251 That's literally what Amazon does for retail. It's the reason why the government is coming after them. >>11955243 Amazon is investing $10 billion? How much is SpaceX investing in Starlink?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:12:55 2020 No.11955649 File: 78 KB, 636x773, feels.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955636 What the Hell?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:13:11 2020 No.11955651 >>11955647 Would you rather not see anything and only see 1 liner vague progress sentence once a year?

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:21:01 2020 No.11955662

>>11955651
I'd like to get really busy with something really profitable, have no time at all to waste looking at a livestream of a pressure cooker, and then go to youtube and see that they're about to run the first autonomous mission to the Moon or something like that

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:27:44 2020 No.11955667

>>11955662
If you want to be dazzled in space rockets, then don't participate in any topic of your interest. Really simple. Once you're spoiled with preknowledge, the dazzling effect lessens. Its like magic, once you know ins/outs of the trick, it becomes stupid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:27:58 2020 No.11955668 >>11955622 Watch out for the fucking boats.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:30:44 2020 No.11955669 >>11955636 Next year hopefully. Blue Origin better have some massive fleet ready to go by then to compete with SpaceX.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:30:56 2020 No.11955670 Blue Origin is truly a leader in space flight and innovation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSftIaLhQzE

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:32:15 2020 No.11955672 Why don't SpaceX make a falcon second stage out of the same stainless steel alloy they're using for the starship just to test the theory that it can handle reentry better than composites?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:33:45 2020 No.11955675 >>11954781 sounds awfully optimistic but I hope it works out

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:34:04 2020 No.11955676 >>11955672 Waste of effort.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:35:22 2020 No.11955677 >>11955672 I don't think they're really planning on expending much more time and effort on the Falcon line once Starship is up and flying. Sure, they'll make an extended fairing for FH, but I doubt they're going to make any more major modifications.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:36:02 2020 No.11955678 File: 1.27 MB, 1409x576, 6489.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11954599

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:37:22 2020 No.11955681 >>11955677 I mean, as a test for the starship. Imagine they spend 1 more year only to find out it won't survive reentry. They could make one second stage, launch it, and see if it comes back in one piece.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:38:17 2020 No.11955685 >>11955678 nice

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:40:01 2020 No.11955688

>>11955647
Well what SpaceX is doing with Starship is actually a 4D chess move. Being very transparent about their vehicle allows us to know that 1) it exists and 2) they’re fixing the issues. As such people are very supportive of SpaceX even after failures. Normally the failures of four prototypes (MK1, SN1, SN3, SN4) would be bad for a tight lipped company, but SpaceX’s fast pace makes us appreciate them way more. Also it’s fun watching a steel tube get cold.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:40:08 2020 No.11955689
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>>11955681
Anon, the steel is not going to be eating the reentry heat, the entire ventral hull is going to be coating in heat tiles that significantly exceed the minimum necessary to protect the vehicle, tiles specifically designed to prevent significant heat leaking between them and specifically designed for multiple reflights with little to no maintenance.
They've already been tested to temperatures exceeding Starship's predicted reentry temperature for time periods of I think up to eight hours.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:43:13 2020 No.11955693 >>11955689 where is that picture from?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:44:10 2020 No.11955694 >>11955689 is this really possible though?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:45:39 2020 No.11955697 >>11955694 Heat shields? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:46:37 2020 No.11955699 >>11955689 >for time periods of I think up to eight hours lol jesus

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:47:19 2020 No.11955700

>>11955693
One time when linking to tw*tter is actually necessary, Elon posted a couple seconds of test footage a while back. He did note that if they discover any erosion in the heat shield or excessive heat leakage they will start adding in some transpiration cooling where necessary.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1107378575924035584?lang=en

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:47:31 2020 No.11955701 >>11955699 they want to be VERY sure about Mars reentry

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:49:53 2020 No.11955705

ok bros it's 2022 or 2024 or whenever the first batch of Starships blast off for Mars

When the ships arrive, would they all be landing at the _exact_ same time a la falcon heavy style or would they land one by one with time differences in the minutes/hours?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:50:43 2020 No.11955707 >>11955697 No, for them to really be that effective.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:50:56 2020 No.11955709 >>11955705 first one lays down a solid platform. then the rest come, each one being rolled off to the side

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:51:12 2020 No.11955711 >>11955707 yes

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:53:12 2020 No.11955713

>>11955705
They’re definitely not gonna land at the same time. I mean orbits vary a lot. Personally I think 2024 for cargo is more likely, and a crewed landing in 2029.

I’m predicting 2021/2022 for a first orbital flight. 2023/2024 for a Dearmoon mission (with crew launching on a Dragon), 2024 for a first attempt at a landing on Mars, and if that’s successful, a 2026 pressuply mission to Mars. After that 2028 would see a first manned landing.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:54:46 2020 No.11955718

>>11955699
Maybe that's a rough ballpark of the total lifetime the shield will spend in reentry. For example the shuttle reentry takes about 20 minutes, which means that an 8 hour reentry lifespan would allow for somewhere around 24 reentries before you'd even have to consider checking the tiles for wear.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:55:11 2020 No.11955719 >>11955711 says who

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:56:25 2020 No.11955721

>>11955713
>2023/2024 for a Dearmoon mission (with crew launching on a Dragon), After that 2028 would see a first manned landing.
i disagree, i think spacex will have gotten confident enough about starship by then, and that 2026 will be the first mars landing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:58:16 2020 No.11955724 >>11955719 says spacex, they are the ones doing the R&D for such a thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:01:38 2020 No.11955727 >>11955724 I know I was just hoping you would link a press release or something so I could read about it

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:05:16 2020 No.11955732

>>11955727
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-hexagon-heat-shield-tile-test.html#:~:text=SpaceX%20is%20turning%20up%20the,re%2Denters%20the%20Earth's%20atmosphere.
I mean here's something from "press" but it doesn't say anything really that Elon didn't already mention in the tweet. Honestly the tiles seem to be almost an afterthought, like "oh well transpiration cooling is complicated and it's gonna take a lot of time, so we'll just invent a new super-durable carbon/carbon heat tile instead, haha tile mold go brrrrr"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:16:01 2020 No.11955742 File: 57 KB, 1198x394, Screenshot 2020-07-30 at 9.15.36 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] uh

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:16:55 2020 No.11955744 File: 28 KB, 437x431, FUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955742 Cringe

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:16:56 2020 No.11955745

>>11955732
>haha tile mold go brrrrr
Basically the philosophy with Dragon's heat shield material, if I remember. I think he was a former NASA guy who was shocked that the decision to manufacture the shield billets in-house was made within a single meeting, and after that he was given a team and a budget and told "start mass-producing that stuff"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:18:43 2020 No.11955747 >>11955742 If I HAD to believe in a ridiculous and retarded conspiracy theory, this would definitely be it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:18:49 2020 No.11955748

>>11955713
the original contract with yusaku was for a dragon flyby but they pushed it to starship, he even has a picture where he's standing inside a carbon fiber starship (at the time BFR) tank

I also think crewed Mars by 2026 with cargo by 2024 is completely doable, that gives them 4 more years to tinker with their prototypes and build up high volume launch infrastructure and an additional 2 years to get it ready for humans

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:20:53 2020 No.11955752 >>11955747 no engineer should be surprised that the first big feat of engineering was building a pyramid. It's the obvious first step.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:22:28 2020 No.11955753 File: 25 KB, 448x336, ayy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955752 explain this

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:23:30 2020 No.11955754 >>11955742 >>11955747 Dont be retarded, pyramids are just an easy way to stack crap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:25:09 2020 No.11955758 File: 553 KB, 609x868, sn5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There is no "dent" on SN5 after static fire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:28:53 2020 No.11955761 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwn4LVVvAUQ damn the first starship launch is gonna be just absurd, considering starship is around 60 feet taller and produces twice the thrust at liftoff

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:30:06 2020 No.11955763 Now that you mention it, the name Ultima-Thule might have been a bit too risque.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:30:22 2020 No.11955764 >>11955758 its unpressurized though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:31:16 2020 No.11955765 >>11955761 That thing took off like a rocket

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:31:23 2020 No.11955766 >>11955763 nobody in this thread mentioned ultima thule, or did you try and quote somebody from another thread? also what do you mean a bit too risque?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:35:38 2020 No.11955772 >>11955622 >it doesn't move How are you going to get the rocket back anon

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:36:23 2020 No.11955773

>>11955758
The more you fly a Starship, the stronger it gets.
Tank pressurization makes it smoother over time, launch vibrations provide gradual micro-conditioning of the weld beads, and as it flies into space, God's own hand reaches out to maintain and improve the structural integrity of the engines. Eventually, raw symbolic importance actually bolsters the craft to the point of rendering it nearly indestructible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:38:28 2020 No.11955777 >>11955761 Will SS be as thicc? I've seen the Apollo's at the space centers in person and they are simply awe inspiring

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:39:30 2020 No.11955780 >>11955777 9m diameter

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:44:24 2020 No.11955784 >>11955561 Yes, but will the janitors be paid?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:50:54 2020 No.11955792 File: 190 KB, 1024x1057, 1024px-Apollo_17_Cernan_on_moon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:55:31 2020 No.11955799 >>11955773 ...so it's ork rules? should we paint the starship red?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:03:08 2020 No.11955809 >>11955799 No, steel is the way

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:03:35 2020 No.11955810 >>11955799 No. Steel will glow red on its own.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:04:08 2020 No.11955811 >>11955809 The cleansing flame of reentry would strip away false colors anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:07:17 2020 No.11955817 >>11954519 Shouldn't that file be called >Grain silo catches fire.webm ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:10:34 2020 No.11955821 >>11955817 The question you should be asking is >Sound, where's the sound? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YPj-9vTFKE

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:17:35 2020 No.11955832 File: 97 KB, 730x486, amazon-seattle-e1504811834635.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Found the splash down location for crew dragon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:26:21 2020 No.11955839 >>11955832 old photo is old, that hole is another Amazon tower now

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:39:19 2020 No.11955854 >>11955832 It's the perfect opportunity. Spacex can claim a telemetry error (blamed on AWS of course), and Bobendug's divine girth will protect him from harm no matter how he lands.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:45:10 2020 No.11955862 >>11955713 Starship’s objectives are crazy. The hardest part will be slowly phasing in (and convincing people) to not only launch on it, but also land in it. The first crewed SS flights will likely be done by launch and landing crew in Dragon crafts

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:51:58 2020 No.11955869

>>11955862
Doubt. They'll probably do hundreds of starship flights before they do crewed versions instead. Remember, starship is supposed to have a much, much higher launch cadence then falcon 9, and I predict a majority of the early launches will be test launches (plus starlink)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:53:49 2020 No.11955873 >>11955580 Prepare for the worst and get pleasantly surprised. It's a surprisingly nice way of living your life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:54:09 2020 No.11955874 >>11955869 Good point

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:54:27 2020 No.11955875 >>11955758 No more gamer dent for him

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:55:16 2020 No.11955878 >>11955799 Nah, red wunz only goez fastah.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:56:25 2020 No.11955880

>>11955874
Forgot to add on, I wouldn't be surprised if spacex is able to get the launch cadence down to once a week per starship within the end of the first year, considering starship is designed to be rapidly reusable, unlike the falcon 9, and they will already have a shit ton of experience.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:57:57 2020 No.11955883

>>11955694
The tiles are insanely good insulators, but because Starship is built from stainless steel it can also withstand a lot more heat than the aluminum shuttle.

Also with Starship the tiles will be mechanically fastened instead of glued, there is no risk of foam strikes, and every single tile won't be unique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9Yax8UNoM

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:02:52 2020 No.11955890 >>11955883 Why was the space shuttle TPS so autistic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:04:31 2020 No.11955891 >>11955890 They were too stingy to go with Lockheed’s design so they went with the North American death trap

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:04:32 2020 No.11955892 File: 62 KB, 1136x852, 5d9794ad880f261342001547.jfif.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955777 checked First two stages of Saturn V are about 1 meter thiccer than Super Heavy, but Starship dwarfs the third stage and CSM/LEM.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:05:03 2020 No.11955895 >>11955883 man those things are astonishing, shame they were so hard to work with

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:27:22 2020 No.11955917

We will soon use the very substance of space as a medium of reaction and begin the colonization of space in earnest.

This great surge in rocketry is beautiful and commendable, but it is akin to a careful and clever refinement of horse-drawn carts,immediately before the arrival of the airplane.

Gird yourselves for a true quantum leap-a black swan above all others. NOTHING will be as it is in 10 years. It has been a pleasure,gents. 2020's macabre and somber initial tone will be swiftly forgotten by history,in light of what is to come. Rejoice! Reject the vile intonations of the doomers and clowns and embrace PRO-NATALISM

COLONIZATION

ULTIMATE FREEDOM!

The ENDLESS FRONTIER awaits.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:30:14 2020 No.11955923 >>11955718 >For example the shuttle reentry takes about 20 minutes never knew it was so long. must have been the longest 20 minutes ever, especially considering the vehicle.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:34:25 2020 No.11955927

>>11955890
The complex shape, all the external attachment points, and mass+thermal limits meant they had to be super autistic about minmaxing every single tile.
Also the tiles themselves and the method of attaching them was new and they were kind of figuring it out as they went.

It's a small miracle the shuttle wasn't a complete failure. After all the design changes it ended up being insanely complex and ambitious for it's time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:35:02 2020 No.11955928 >>11955917 eh i could live with space-cultism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:35:40 2020 No.11955930 >>11955917 Something was supposed to happen with this around the end of the month, and it was probably you who said that. I want to believe, but you're seeming like one of the usual LARPer hype fags.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:38:00 2020 No.11955932 >>11955917 Evidence or schizo

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:41:30 2020 No.11955935
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>tfw the internal volume of starship will be bigger and roomier than Skylab
Skylab was 6.6m in diameter, starship will be 9, and the actual living space is about twice as long, shits gonna be bigger than the discovery from Space Odyssey

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:48:24 2020 No.11955939 >>11955930 >Something was supposed to happen with this around the end of the month 0.1N/kW quantized-inertia drives don't count? That happened this week.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:49:09 2020 No.11955940

>>11955935
Holy shit that really puts it into perspective. I remember hearing stories about how astronauts could get "stuck" in the middle of spacelab due to its size. It wasn't ever anything serious, I think they would trap themselves on purpose for fun because you could slowly float to the edge eventually... but this might be a problem inside Starship

Also does anyone have a cutaway of Skylab, specifically how they converted a Saturn stage into a living quarters?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:53:03 2020 No.11955948 >>11955930 Time will tell anon....time will tell. All you have to do is wait. A wonderful new future will fall into your outstretched hand like a ripe apple.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:55:48 2020 No.11955953 >>11955935 It's gonna be so fucking huge, I just hope the ISS is still around so we can see how ridiculous it looks docked to a Starship.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:55:54 2020 No.11955954 Can New Glenn compete with Starship at all? I'm struggling to see why Blue Origin made this their hill to die on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:56:50 2020 No.11955957 >>11955939 Link study or get out

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:02:12 2020 No.11955962 >>11955939 It would be high art if that delightful old goofball McCulloch was actually right.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:07:00 2020 No.11955965 >>11955940 >nuspace product idea #472 presenting the 4ass "pocket rocket"- a small flashlight sized cold gas thruster for unsticking yourself from the centre of habs in an emergency. rechargeable and comes with a fashionable little belt worn pouch.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:07:41 2020 No.11955966

>>11955954
Well until Starship is “perfected” all of its payload will fly on Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy. New Glenn can compete with them.

But once starship flies? Not really. Even a single launch Starship can carry the same payload as New Glenn while reusing both stages. Also New Glenn has to land on a barge while Starship is RTLS. But it will take time for people to trust Starship, and BO is counting on that.

What do you think New Armstrong is? I bet it’s gonna be a 10 or 12 meter New Glenn that’s a Starship knockoff.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:07:44 2020 No.11955967
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>>11955940
They literally just gutted the upper stage, and built a space station inside of it, pretty crazy to think the lower stages were like 10m in diameter
>>11955954
New Glenn might kill Ariane 5/6, and take over the medium sized to small sized payload to LEO, due to its dual payload fairing if it ever launches,
Theoretically Bezos could use the power of AWS to cut launch costs absurdly low to kill any competitor, even if new Glenn doesn't perform up to par with what they say
But, they may not launch it next year, and once they finally launch it, they'll probably take like 4-5 years to actually start selling launches, like new Sheppard lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:10:12 2020 No.11955971 >>11955940 >but this might be a problem inside Starship Every human being comes with a handy-dandy cold-gas thrust apparatus called "lungs"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:13:22 2020 No.11955975 >>11955753 Ancient Egypt had electric light bulbs so it's no surprise they had aircraft as well

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:18:38 2020 No.11955982

>>11955957
>>11955962
Study hasn't been published yet, but it's results from the Madrid experiment described here.

https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2020/07/five-experiments.html

https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1288889145532833793

Another tester in Poland is also getting 7.5mN/kW with a much less efficient garage tier setup.

https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1287031292643680256

>>11955967
New Glenn's real threat to Ariane is in the GTO market. Starship will own LEO and Mars, but GTO without depots is more up New Glenn's alley.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:21:53 2020 No.11955986 File: 138 KB, 375x375, 1594174904614.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11955982 >physicsfromtheedge.blogspot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:25:15 2020 No.11955992 >>11955986 It's McCulloch's blog. When papers get published properly he links them there, or on his Twitter. This experiment series is still ongoing so there's no paper yet.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:27:28 2020 No.11955999
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>>11955967
Now imagine the entire habitable space of this lab... but as one rocket. Holy shit. (I assume Starship matches Skylab's internal volume, or the numbers are at least close)

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:27:55 2020 No.11956000

>>11955967
How would AWS reduce their launch cost? Do you mean pulling profit from there and running Blue Origin at a loss?

I don't think Jeff Bezos has the stomach to spend all of his fortune trying to compete with Elon, he seems to be limiting the amount he is throwing at it. It's undisclosed how much he put into Rivian but it's probably a very low percentage of his total wealth. Jeff strikes me as more of a greedy opportunistic capitalist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:28:29 2020 No.11956001 >>11955962 Wendell Chung would probably kill himself. I'd start working to bring McCulloch over to the US and build space engines with him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:29:52 2020 No.11956002 >>11956000 AWS is subsidizing Kuiper, not Blue Origin. Kuiper will be New Glenn's flagship customer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:30:52 2020 No.11956003 >>11955992 That doesn't make it any better. McCulloch is schizo-tier.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:33:11 2020 No.11956005

>>11956000
I don't GET it though-what's the point of just accumulating wealth? Why not say "fuck it" and use it to change the world fundamentally?

That motherfucker is so rich he could give 1.2 million people a hundred thousand dollars each and STILL be one of the richest people on earth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:33:59 2020 No.11956006 >>11956005 >That motherfucker is so rich he could give 1.2 million people a hundred thousand dollars each Wait until you see how much Amazon spends on payroll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:34:30 2020 No.11956007 >>11955862 wrong, the first Starship crewed flight will either be entirely on Starship or Starship serviced by Orion

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:34:32 2020 No.11956008 >>11956005 Who knows. Not to be a schizo but you really never know what else Bezos is putting his money towards. It certainly isn’t Blue Origin though lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:35:20 2020 No.11956010 >>11956008 >you really never know what else Bezos is putting his money towards he lost half of it in a divorce and she's pissing it away on idpol/DNC fronts

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:37:45 2020 No.11956015
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>>11955999
Skylab had a pressurized volume of about 350 m^3. Starship is advertised as 1000 m^3. It will need to have corridors and walls on each level so you don't get stuck hahah

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:38:28 2020 No.11956016 >>11956010 more like a third,and he fucked around without a pre-nup. Dumb fuck earned that lost money by letting his dick do the thinking.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:39:34 2020 No.11956018

>>11956002
Since Amazon is a public company and Bezos no longer has the majority stake, I think their investors will demand that they don't pay too much to launch Kuiper satellites.
>>11956005
To be a billionaire in the first place you're probably hyper obsessed with money and refuse to let it go which is why Musk is such a rarity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:40:09 2020 No.11956019 >>11956015 so crazy when you see how fuckin huge skylab was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLbxhNeSkw8

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:41:16 2020 No.11956022 >>11956016 >without a pre-nup Wouldn't have saved him. Washington is a community property state.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:42:04 2020 No.11956024

>>11956016
I think he is more insane than stupid. Remember those text he sent? What a creepy motherfucker.
>I want to smell you, I want to breathe you in. I want to hold you tight.… I want to kiss your lips…. I love you. I am in love with you.
>I love you, alive girl. I will show you with my body, and my lips and my eyes, very soon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:47:59 2020 No.11956032 >>11956019 That is so fucking cool. Imagine living in something bigger than this orbiting the Moon or Mars. Absolutely unfathomable

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:52:18 2020 No.11956040 >>11956032 Imagine landing one retropropulsively on a Chinese rover. Space teabagged.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:12:22 2020 No.11956069 >>11955772 Hop back

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:17:27 2020 No.11956076 File: 199 KB, 1196x798, 23A463B1-169E-4D00-B93B-1FCB0B773A69.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So when will OldSpace take Starship seriously? After the 150 meter hop? The 20 kilometer hop? The first launch of a complete stack?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:19:34 2020 No.11956081 >>11956076 Shelby will probably complain about how inefficient the commercial crew program is when it lands on Mars lel

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:24:07 2020 No.11956094 >>11956024 What a pitiful simp As opposed to Musk slapping Amber Heard around and throwing her out when he tired of her

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:24:20 2020 No.11956095

I think Jeff Bezos fucked up when he put Project Kuiper under Amazon and not Blue Origin, probably because it was easier to get funding for it. This is going to raise even more anti-trust concerns for Amazon as they move into the internet business and it robs Blue Origin of a major source of income which they need to be competitive with SpaceX.

New Glenn will launch, what, eight times a year? That isn't a lot of revenue to sustain their business and they're going to have to rapidly develop a Starship competitor. Hell by the time they get it built, they may be competing with the 18 meter Starship. What the fuck is their problem? I keep assuming they have something up their sleeve but nothing they do bears any fruit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:34:32 2020 No.11956116 >>11956024 No way this is real, this is like a bit from some highschooler’s shitty modern shakespeare interpretation lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:35:26 2020 No.11956117 >>11956116 You can be the richest man in the world and still suck at the pussy game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:35:42 2020 No.11956118 >starship >doesn't travel to stars how is this allowed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:43:21 2020 No.11956128 File: 674 KB, 1800x1079, Lockheed_F-104A-10-LO_060928-F-1234S-011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11956118 >starfighter >doesn't fight stars How is this allowed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:43:53 2020 No.11956130 >>11956118 >decline bench >do it anyways

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:45:14 2020 No.11956131

>>11956118
If they sent one into the Sun would you demand that it be called Sunship instead of Starship despite it being a star?
>>11956117
He sucks because he is so rich, he probably never had to develop any skill and he is surrounded by yes men and women who respond positively to him regardless of his cringy actions. There's no moderating influence on his behavior, he doesn't even get that much public criticism because he owns the media and keeps his life private.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 04:47:38 2020 No.11956132 >>11956131 >if they sent one into the sun I wonder how many refueling trips that would take maybe with a jupiter gravity assist?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 05:06:49 2020 No.11956162

>>11956132
I have no idea because I'm a retard who hasn't played KSP. You can apparently go far away from the sun, cancel the angular momentum, and fall into it. This would require 8.8 km/s delta-v and a fully fueled Starship carrying 100 tons has 6.9 km/s according to Elon. Maybe it's possible without a payload.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 05:37:03 2020 No.11956204 Why is it so hard to go to the sun? Can't you just point at it, fire your drive and let your velocity and its gravity do the rest?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 05:44:47 2020 No.11956219 >>11956204 No because we're all moving around in circles. To get near the sun you need to kill all your orbital momentum somehow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:10:52 2020 No.11956251 >>11956128 More like Stallfighter LMAO.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:11:32 2020 No.11956253 >>11956118 Because it's not called Starfarer

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:12:11 2020 No.11956254 >>11956251 You got a loicense for that insult

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:12:42 2020 No.11956256 >>11956251 thank you Japan, very nice

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:24:59 2020 No.11956268 >>11956015 is that the machine that sucks the farts out of you? always wanted to try one of those.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:48:46 2020 No.11956305 >>11956219 But doesn't the gravity well of the sun pull you in regardless?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:49:43 2020 No.11956308

>>11956095
Perhaps all the experience they are gaining will enable them to pivot rapidly depending on how events unfold with Starship? It might be that New Glenn is just a bit of a testbed, and they've got something 10x the size on the drawing board or something. Or perhaps they're working really hard on planning moon factories. I think we have to bear in mind that we are likely years away from regular Starship flights though, so I think BO have plenty of time. And it seems like cosying up to oldspace and acting less like disruptive revolutionaries a la SpaceX hasn't done BO any harm. Some tremendously pompous and bitter vested interests that stand to no longer be able to dip their beak once reusability takes off. BO seem to have pulled off a neat trick of disguising themselves as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:49:53 2020 No.11956309 File: 37 KB, 682x450, images (23).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11956251 >OH GOD >I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA >OH GOD I'M CRAAAAAAAAASHING

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:51:18 2020 No.11956313 >>11956308 >BO seem to have pulled off a neat trick of sucking up a billion dollars a year for a suborbital dildo

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 07:33:22 2020 No.11956394 >>11956313 Well they have also developed and sold what seems like a pretty reasonable rocket engine anon.

>>	space wulvz commander Fri Jul 31 07:42:25 2020 No.11956409 >>11955965 im more interested in the pocket red rocket owo

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 07:48:26 2020 No.11956422 So when is the bobendoug show?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 07:49:22 2020 No.11956425 >>11956422 The Q&A? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhVdsCqLJho Live in 2 hours.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 08:05:50 2020 No.11956448 >>11956305 What does that even mean

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 08:07:32 2020 No.11956449 >>11956204 Because we're affected by n gravity wells.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 08:11:01 2020 No.11956458 >>11956118 Starship means Ship of Star, which makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 08:12:16 2020 No.11956460 >>11956204 Study orbital mechanics for like five minutes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:20:34 2020 No.11956591 File: 472 KB, 705x705, STARLINER.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11956458 >Starliner >Doesn't Line on Stars

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:50:36 2020 No.11956649 >>11956305 Yes and it's equal to our speed, that is what means to be in orbit. We can leave Earth but we are still orbiting the sun together.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:58:59 2020 No.11956665 >>11955940 You could "swim" in the air. It's a long, but sure process.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:01:05 2020 No.11956671 >>11956024 What do you expect from someone who ate an iguana?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:02:01 2020 No.11956674 >>11956305 You need to play KSP for a bit and brush up on how orbits work. You'll get it, having a visual representation helps.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:02:27 2020 No.11956676 >>11956671 Did she cum?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:31:05 2020 No.11956732 >>11956671 How is eating iguanas weird when humans eat so much other shit? It’s just meat

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:42:36 2020 No.11956756 >>11956732 As the saying goes, 'you are what you eat'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:44:06 2020 No.11956758 >>11956425 Thanks. Looks like it's 1 minute until the bobendoug show now!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:45:56 2020 No.11956764 >>11956756 >As the saying goes, 'you are what you eat'. So soon enough it turns into cannibalism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:46:38 2020 No.11956768 Rockets are a scam, they can't work in space as there is no athmosphere they can push against.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:52:22 2020 No.11956782

>>11955982
>New Glenn's real threat to Ariane is in the GTO market. Starship will own LEO and Mars, but GTO without depots is more up New Glenn's alley

New Glenn also seems like it would be perfect, in its larger iterations, for launching Skylab-sized modules into GEO or ISS-sized modules into the closer Lagrange points. I'd reckon that it would also be perfect for launching an Orion-sized capsule to GEO and beyond, and I'm sure that that capsule is already designed and will likely make it's debut alongside New Glenn.

Remember that BO's long-term goals are Gundam/Elysium-style near to earth space colonization, and to do that, you need to have a vehicle or family of vehicles optimized around launching shit into the area between GEO and the moon more or less effortlessly in order to build a manned presence there.

>>11955966
>What do you think New Armstrong is?

My money is on a bigger New Glenn that's designed around one-shoting Skylab-sized payloads to the moon to begin colonization and mining activities there. Remember also that "New Armstrong" was described as a family of systems, and so I'd also bet that there will be a larger Gateway-style lunar station and that the Blue Moon lander was designed to be a "space truck" for, to ferry people and cargo back and forth between the lunar surface facilities and the lunar space station, where the personnel/cargo shuttles to and from earth will dock.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:53:32 2020 No.11956784

@11956768
this mangling of basic newtonian physics is hilarious to me in that people unironically believe something that is 1 or 2 extra thoughts away from debasing its own logic—it really helps me understand how slow and bad the thought process is of the average /x/ poster

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:55:48 2020 No.11956788 >>11956784 Don't take the fucking bait in any way, shape or form you retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:58:22 2020 No.11956794 Live interview with ISS astronauts coming home https://youtu.be/bhVdsCqLJho

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:58:32 2020 No.11956796 File: 239 KB, 400x541, 1430253935759.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >commode-o dragon Doug seemed to miss that it was apparently a reference specifically to the toilet, but basically confirmed that they hadn't heard that one before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:01:07 2020 No.11956804 >>11956784 I was just kidding m8 Obviously the rocket engine works by pushing away a reaction mass and creates an equal and opposite force to that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:02:13 2020 No.11956805 File: 121 KB, 1400x932, 1586044708927.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Even with Starship looming, I worry that it may be a long time before we see another space station the size of the ISS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:04:02 2020 No.11956808 >>11956805 Future partnerships with Russia for big stations is unlikely due to political drama. More likely what will happen is private companies like SpaceX sending large modules that are less complex have more space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:04:41 2020 No.11956809 has the stream gone to 3fps for everyone or is it just me?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:06:07 2020 No.11956812 Don't they have Dramamine?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:07:08 2020 No.11956813 >>11956809 Running fine here. Maybe lower the stream resolution quality on your end

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:09:43 2020 No.11956819 >>11955758 To slip the surly bonds of Earth, and touch the face of Elon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:15:53 2020 No.11956831 >>11955773 Shit I meant to reply to this

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:21:21 2020 No.11956845 File: 179 KB, 846x445, Screen Shot 2020-07-31 at 10.14.47 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So where does the Bobendoug touch down in relation to this? Will their return date have to be delayed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:25:33 2020 No.11956854 >>11956845 They have like 5 different touch down spots lined up depending on weather and they may postpone. Shit's running on a hour by hour update.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:28:52 2020 No.11956865 >>11956591 Star Coper

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Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:30:17 2020 No.11956871
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>>11956805
The ISS is a giant maze of tubes because of the inherent limitations of the Proton and the Shuttle as launch vehicles. Proton was a repurposed Titan-style super ICBM that was originally intended to launch Soyuz-size payloads on circumlunar missions, and was later repurposed to launch the Almaz/TKS vehicles which were built to mimic the size and capabilities of the USAF's Titan-sized MOL station, which meant that the Salyut and Mir stations were also limited to being MOL-sized. Meanwhile, the Space Shuttle was designed around launching Space Station Freedom, which was NASA's answer to the later semi-modular Salyuts and Mir. Once the cold war ended, NASA and the Russians, building on the success of the Shuttle-to-Mir missions, decided to combine what was left of Space Station Freedom and Mir 2, and the result was the ISS, which was basically 2/3rds of Mir 2 grafted onto 2/3rds of Space Station Freedom.

As >>11956808 said, the death of Proton and the Shuttle and their replacement by the far larger Starship and New Glenn families means that the future will likely be far larger, far simpler individual modules, a-la Skylab. Personally, I'd love to see someone build a simple 5-element space station with Mir's layout, but using Skylab-sized modules instead. That monster would be able to support a permanent crew of dozens of people.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:36:04 2020 No.11956888

>>11956871
And it could be possible for a truly gargantuan orbital ring station to be build. A shit ton of starships could launch the equipment needed. Hell, maybe SNC could recreate the BA-330 and use those for create even more space in each section of the ring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:37:15 2020 No.11956890 >>11956888 >orbital ring Lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:40:25 2020 No.11956897 >>11956890 Voyager (why the fuck did you change the name you yamakuh lickers von braun was perfect) station may be a possible scam, but that shit looks fancy. Just get Bezos to fund it lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:52:44 2020 No.11956922 >>11956076 first launch of a complete stack probably

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:55:20 2020 No.11956926 >>11956768 they dont push against the atmosphere, the reaction in the reaction chamber pushes against the rocket itself

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:09:45 2020 No.11956962 >>11956805 i'd love to see big orbital rotating stations in MEO

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:29:04 2020 No.11957008 >>11956805 Starship and New Glenn will allow super wide modules to be launches up for cheaper, we'll have big Skylab module sized spacestations in the future Of they used inflatable sections, we could have 20m+ modules

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:41:55 2020 No.11957048 >>11956926 >the rocket pushes against itself That doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:43:22 2020 No.11957051 >>11956897 It's retarded and it's funding scheme is illegal. Better you don't give them visibility. Also I thought you were talking about orbital rings à la saturn

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:43:50 2020 No.11957052 >>11957048 the rocket doesnt push against itself, the exhaust pushes against the rocket

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:43:59 2020 No.11957053 >>11956926 Don't give him (you)s.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:45:48 2020 No.11957057

>>11957051
Yeah, which is why I don't really trust those guys. If they're easily willing to suck Master Shekelstein and remove the German heritage that jump-started space travel in the first place, why even bother supporting them? We'd be better off having Bezos stop being so salty over Musk and have them make peace.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:53:37 2020 No.11957075 >>11956897 this another scam like Mars One? from what I can see it looks like it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:53:48 2020 No.11957076 >>11957052 But what does the exaust push against?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:56:25 2020 No.11957083 >>11957076 You're retarded anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:56:48 2020 No.11957084 >>11957083 No, you're the retard for feeding him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:56:59 2020 No.11957086 >>11957076 It's a controlled explosion that displaces the rocket. It pushes against the rocket.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:57:12 2020 No.11957087 >>11956782 Until they go beyond GEO, are there any real benefits to keeping a space station there instead of LEO? Besides needing less fuel for station-keeping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:57:57 2020 No.11957089 >>11957075 Yeah, probably.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:00:26 2020 No.11957095

>>11957048
Rockets use liquid or solid propellants that generate a high pressure reaction that's ejected out a nozzle, the effect of pressure shooting out the nozzle pushes against the rocket whether there's and atmosphere or not, once the fuel runs out, there's nothing to push the rocket, and the effect stops, like how gasoline pushes the piston in a car engine, but the entire rocket is a piston essentially

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:00:37 2020 No.11957096 >>11957086 No, I mean what does it push against on the other side? >>11957083 Rude!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:03:20 2020 No.11957098 >>11957095 But what does the exaust push against? In a car engine you have the piston on one side and the cylinder head on the other.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:03:32 2020 No.11957100 >>11957087 >Besides needing less fuel for station-keeping. I realized this was wrong after I sent it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:04:24 2020 No.11957106 >>11957086 >>11957095 Stop responding to stale bait you complete spastics

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:05:48 2020 No.11957109

>>11956782
>Remember that BO's long-term goals are Gundam/Elysium-style near to earth space colonization, and to do that, you need to have a vehicle or family of vehicles optimized around launching shit into the area between GEO and the moon more or less effortlessly in order to build a manned presence there.
Yup. That's a different mission profile than Starship because there's no ISRU in high orbit except NEAs or moon ice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:08:07 2020 No.11957114 >>11957106 It's allways funny to see how many idiots fall for such a dumb bait, even when you admit it's bait: >>11956804

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:11:03 2020 No.11957121 >>11957084 i'm explaining it for anybody else watching

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:11:24 2020 No.11957122

>>11957096
There doesn't need to be anything on the other side to push against, the exhaust expands with relatively little resistance out of one end of the nozzle, however it is also expanding up and out against the inside of the nozzle, which forces the rocket away from the expanding gasses.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:11:39 2020 No.11957124 >>11957121 No, you're feeding a fucking troll that everyone but you knows better than to feed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:12:44 2020 No.11957126 >>11957114 Remember, half the people on /sfg/ are unironic /pol/sters and trumptards. They'll fall for any bait.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:13:13 2020 No.11957130 File: 105 KB, 289x283, stop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957122

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:13:28 2020 No.11957131 >>11957124 >that everyone but you knows better than to feed. i wish i was the only one responding

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:15:20 2020 No.11957137 >>11957126 Dude, that was easy even by /pol/ standards.... >>11957122 Yea, but what does the gas push against on the other side?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:23:42 2020 No.11957161 >>11957126 gas

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:25:35 2020 No.11957167

>>11957087
A station in GEO is close enough to earth that it can easily be reached with an Orion-sized capsule launched on a New Glenn-style booster, but it's also high enough up there that getting to the moon from it so little delta-V that an Orion-sized vehicle is all you need to shuttle passengers and material to the moon.

GEO is also a perfect "halfway point" for large-scale moon operations, as you have an essentially continuous launch window to get things to it, while it also "synods" with the Moon once a day, which is more than enough frequency for operations to and from it.

Also, if you're smart, like Blue Origin is, you build your Orion-sized capsule not as an Apollo/Orion/Starliner/Crew Dragon-style discrete command/service module, but as a Delta Clipper-style integrated vehicle that propulsively lands and is 100% reusable, and possibly integrates the 3rd stage as well, which means that the only lost hardware is the 2nd stage.

If I were a betting man, I'd guess that New Shepherd is quietly a testbed for a Delta Clipper-style manned 3rd stage for New Glenn, which is why it explores the use of cryogenic hydrolox, necessary for a 3rd stage meant to hit GEO, but in a propulsively-landed vehicle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:26:06 2020 No.11957168 Why are threads lasting so long these days?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:27:19 2020 No.11957176 >>11957167 >which means that the only lost hardware is the 2nd stage. I'd bet on eventual full reusability by BO after Starship is proven to work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:29:56 2020 No.11957179 >>11957168 Lotsa activity in tandem

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:33:28 2020 No.11957188 >>11957126 More like a quarter are from /pol/, a quarter from /sci/, and the other half from reddit

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:44:07 2020 No.11957222

>>11957176
>I'd bet on eventual full reusability by BO after Starship is proven to work.

The problem is that to hit GEO and possibly the moon, which is Blue Origin's goal, without having to pause and refuel in LEO, really requires 3 stages at the minimum, and that 2nd stage will likely carry so much delta-V that recovering it is an absolute bitch, and would likely involve stuff like a Vulcan-style inflatable aeroshell for it to have any prayer of not burning up on re-entry.

The Starship-style LEO refuelling scheme is perfect for something that goes to Mars, where you essentially have 2 years to get your Starships fueled up before the next synod, whereas LEO refueling to get to the moon is absolutely retarded and unnecessarily complicated, as the Soviets found out in the late 60s with their hair brained orbitally refuelled lunar Soyuz schemes that all got nowhere while Apollo flew direct and put footprints on the moon.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:45:26 2020 No.11957228
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>>11957167
Isn't the oberth effect so shit in GEO that it doesn't make sense to use it as a moon transfer station? Not to mention that you're largely outside of the radiation shielding of the earth, costs much more deltaV to get to as well. All for what? Easier moon access? Also wouldn't re-entry be more intense coming in from GEO compared to LEO?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:48:23 2020 No.11957242 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfuXUr-_Rns

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:49:36 2020 No.11957243

>>11957222
>The problem is that to hit GEO and possibly the moon, which is Blue Origin's goal, without having to pause and refuel in LEO, really requires 3 stages at the minimum, and that 2nd stage will likely carry so much delta-V that recovering it is an absolute bitch, and would likely involve stuff like a Vulcan-style inflatable aeroshell for it to have any prayer of not burning up on re-entry.

My prediction is that we'll see a GEO/L1/lunar manned New Glenn that is the proposed 3-stage variant, only the 3rd stage and fairing are replaced by a biconic Delta Clipper style 100% reusable manned 3rd stage that carries 4-6 people and enough hydrolox to get up to GEO/L1/lunar orbit and back, re-enters nose-first like the Delta Clipper, and propulsively lands like New Shepherd.

When mounted on New Glenn without a 2nd stage, it'll be an LEO-capable TSTO like Starship.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:52:24 2020 No.11957254 >>11957242 Hahaha did that one lady say: It wasn't supposed to be like that right?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:52:49 2020 No.11957256

>>11957228
Re-entry is much nastier than re-entry from LEO, but it's much less nasty than re-entry from lunar orbit, and since you're over a fixed location on earth, it makes it that much easier to operate a reusable transfer vehicle (as described here: >>11957243) to and from a fixed location as a sort of transfer taxi, while a Blue Moon-style vacuum-optimized vehicle can be your transfer vehicle from the GEO station to the moon and back.

It's basically the scheme that you saw in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:54:54 2020 No.11957264 >>11956805 >I worry that it may be a long time before we see another space station the size of the ISS. Don't the starship and iss have similar internal volume A long term habitation starship would be a fast space station

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:56:00 2020 No.11957267 >>11957242 Where was range safety?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:57:09 2020 No.11957271 >>11957264 Yes, the ISS has 915 cubic meters and the starship has 1000. The thing is, why use a starship for a station when you could use starship to cheaply construct a station with hundreds of times more internal volume then the ISS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:59:14 2020 No.11957279 when they're done with ISS is nasa gonna akbar it into earth, or depressurize and leave orbiting for future collection / return mission so that it can go into museum(s)

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:59:30 2020 No.11957281

>>11957228
GEO is also kind of too valuable to use for a space station when you can put comm satellites up. Where it isn't so valuable is over the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and I guess the comms angle for ground control might be a bit shallow.
>largely outside of the radiation shielding of the earth
...but also outside the worst of it in the Van Allen belts
https://www.quora.com/How-are-geostationary-satellites-protected-from-the-Van-Allen-Belt-radiation
>The outer Van Allen radiation belt extends to 37,000 miles, while GEO orbit is 22,300 miles altitude, so GEO satellites are in the belt. But the most severe radiation is at slightly lower altitudes, maybe up to 19,000 miles up. Any remaining radiation is handled by shielding on the spacecraft.

>>11957267
In capitalist Russia, range safety is turn pots and pans so handle does not go over edge where childrens can reach while cooking!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:04:03 2020 No.11957297 File: 92 KB, 1892x814, warpanon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SOON

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:05:49 2020 No.11957301
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>>11957256
Did some deltaV calculation. Is this the path you were thinking about? Lack of aerobraking and the rendezvous back with the station hurts. Shuttle implies the station is the departure and return stop for the lunar excursion vehicle.

LEO-> GEO= 4.33km/s
GEO-> Moon=3.92km/s
Moon-> GEO=3.92km/s
GEO-> LEO= 2.06km/s
Total: 14.23 km/s

LEO-> Moon = 5.93km/s
Moon-> LEO= 2.74km/s
Total: 8.67 km/s

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:06:48 2020 No.11957306

>>11957281
>GEO is also kind of too valuable to use for a space station when you can put comm satellites up. Where it isn't so valuable is over the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and I guess the comms angle for ground control might be a bit shallow.

The future for comms is clearly LEO, if Kuiper and Starlink are anything to go by. This inversion will mean that GEO now becomes more valuable as a location for an "orbital spaceport" that acts as a hub for passengers and material coming to and from the earth and the moon, one that is over a fixed point on earth so that a spaceport in the right location can launch to it more or less continuously without having to worry about launch windows, while all spacecraft coming back from it can recover to the same point on earth more or less continuously without having to worry about recovery windows, either. Bonus points if you can make sure that those launch and recovery points are the same point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:07:54 2020 No.11957312 >>11957297 cant wait for schizo to get btfo'd

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:07:59 2020 No.11957313

>>11957264
But by necessity it can never be as optimized for habitation as a station, because it has to carry around a large mass of propellant and engines to do it's job, a relatively static station can carry larger mass of supplies, shielding, and redundant systems because it doesn't need to move.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:09:14 2020 No.11957320 >>11957306 GEO for broadcast comms, LEO for 2-way comms. GEO will still be plenty useful for a long time to come, at least until someone can get a statite working.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:12:28 2020 No.11957325 File: 89 KB, 960x720, 1aa7452c690c329f6aa1e06a7d4b1354.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957188 I'm from /a/

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:13:10 2020 No.11957327

>>11957301
The delta-V is much less important than the ability to recover and reuse your hardware. Delta V is ultimately just fuel costs, which in the long term are far less important than vehicle costs. What you want is an Earth to LEO/GEO system that's as reusable as possible, along with a system that can get from LEO/GEO to the lunar surface and back on the same tank of gas. The bit from earth is a little harder if you're going to GEO instead of LEO, but the second bit is much, much easier from GEO than LEO.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:15:51 2020 No.11957333

>>11957320
Who gives a shit about broadcast comms when everyone is getting broadband from LEO. Kuiper/Starlink will do to GEO-based broadcast comms what cellphones did to landlines and what cable, broadband,and streaming did to broadcast TV and terrestrial radio.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:17:57 2020 No.11957339 File: 53 KB, 680x662, 1595237354062.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957126 Just because the Dems want to cut science funding in favor of social programs and we're against that doesn't mean we're trumpers.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:18:15 2020 No.11957340

>>11957306
>>11957333
That also makes best use of GEO's properties as a comms relay. Bursty packet comms go over LEO ISP swarms. Big dedicated data dumps where throughput > latency can use fixed GEO/ground antenna pairs. Build one at 95±20° W longitude and you have a permanent link window to NASA Houston. Then moon missions can cache all their experimental data locally, burst it to GEO once a day during synod, and then stream that down to NASA (or wherever) with a slower, more error-correction-heavy protocol to make sure there's no atmospheric losses. Going direct moon<->Earth for comms is tricky as we learned from Apollo, but breaking it up into shorter hops like that makes the network engineering much easier.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:20:10 2020 No.11957343

>>11957306
Launch and recovery windows for LEO aren't massive considerations. Especially considering the other difficulties of a GEO station

>>11957327
Starship can easily do the latter path fully reusable. A GEO station doesn't make much sense, you'd need so many more refueling flights, which would put a strain on your infrastructure. There just really isn't a reason. If you aren't saving deltaV what's the purpose?

Assuming refueling at either GEO or LEO respectively:
GEO-> Moon=3.92km/s
Moon-> GEO=3.92km/s
7.84km/s

LEO-> Moon = 5.93km/s
Moon-> LEO= 2.74km/s
Total: 8.67 km/s

Marginal difference for a vastly more complicated mission.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:20:31 2020 No.11957347

>>11957340
To clarify, this will require the GEO relay to cache potentially petabytes of data for hours or days at a time, which means you would need hundreds of kilowatts of power and replaceable hardware, so combining it with a manned space station makes sense here. It's not just a dumb layer 2/3 router.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:20:37 2020 No.11957348 File: 1.05 MB, 1920x1200, planetes_toybox.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957325 Based and anime pilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:21:50 2020 No.11957351 >>11957228 >J-2X They did that engine dirty. It had the capability to make SLS a Saturn-class rocket, but it got cut out because the stock SLS was taking too long.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:26:35 2020 No.11957369
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>>11957351
Hear me out: dedicated 3STO reusable Starship configuration for the 18m stack.
>SuperDuperHeavy first stage, fully reusable
>StarShipSandwich second stage, fully reusable
>J-2X based hydrolox third stage, stays in orbit permanently as a circumlunar ferry/tugboat - LEO, GEO, Gateway, LLO, Lagrange points, etc.
>reusable first two stages make putting hydrolox depots in orbit trivial

>>11957188
>complaining about /pol/
>88
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

>>11957348
*spaced

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:27:30 2020 No.11957371 File: 1.56 MB, 1065x791, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957325 /a/eiou

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:28:22 2020 No.11957375 >>11957369 Wouldn't a permanent hydrolox thingy need ACES levels of shielding?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:29:14 2020 No.11957377 >>11957375 Yes, which is why you make it 18m wide to mitigate the mass fraction lost to shielding.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:31:05 2020 No.11957380 >>11957377 18m is pretty big bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:31:42 2020 No.11957386 >>11957369 i wasn't complaining about /pol/ though, i was more complaining about reddit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:32:21 2020 No.11957388 >>11957380 Yes, but Elon has already said he's planning a variant of the Starship stack that big, so it's reasonable to imagine uses for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:43:49 2020 No.11957416 McCulloch now claiming more good news out of Spain will be out soon. If QI works and obviates millions of man-years of research into deep-space thrusters, "hard" scifi, and the like I may actually die laughing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:45:33 2020 No.11957424 >>11957388 Imagine an 18m starship launcing an inflatable habitat into orbit >50m space stations

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:45:49 2020 No.11957426 >>11957388 Yeah, it's just big. Such a sci-fi thing though. The living space is gonna be crazy. When are they thinking of implementing it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:46:26 2020 No.11957430 File: 1.56 MB, 1280x528, ForbiddenPlanet(1956).webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957126 /tv/ reporting

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:46:34 2020 No.11957432

So has anyone figured out how much a full Starship/Superheavy stack would cost? All we have are some numbers on the engines and stainless steel costs.

We know a Raptor engine costs $2 Million at the moment, and Elon says that they want to bring it down to $1 Million. We also know that Starship/Superheavy will use 37 raptor engines (as is the current design), which gives us a range of $37-74 Million on engines alone.

Elon has touted that stainless steel costs $3/kg. As the entire stack has a dry mass of 300 tons (120 tons for starship, 180 for Superheavy), this means that the stainless steel cost is likely around $1 million dollars. Holy shit that’s really cheap goddamn.

We don’t know how much the avionics, valves, and other complicated stuff cost, though. But seeing how Starship is doing well with COTS equipment, it’s likely that the complex electronics would add “only” about a million dollars per vehicle.

So this means that the stainless steel cost of the entire stack is $1 million, plus the “complex components” cost, which is probably around $2 milllion. Lastly, we know the engines will likely cost around $74 million in total, but are hoped to fall to $37 million after some time.

So with a rough estimate, a completed Starship stack costs $80 million dollars, at least initially. After some optimization with the engine production, this would probably fall to $40 million for a complete stack.

This is all speculation, but it is kinda interesting to see how much the stack would cost to build. How much it would cost to launch is another issue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:47:29 2020 No.11957438 >>11957426 Last I saw it was going to be the "second generation" Starship, so well after they've worked the kinks out of the 9m stack and probably after one has landed on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:52:39 2020 No.11957454 >>11957380 >not going for a 110m version so small minded

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:55:42 2020 No.11957457 >>11957426 Probably not til the late 2030s

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:56:39 2020 No.11957460 >>11957430 why is the woman smiling and trying to defuse the tension when the tiger does indeed try to pounce on them?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:59:43 2020 No.11957465

>>11957438
I wonder what size they would be going for. The 9 meter diameter for the current version is a holdover from when it would be made from carbon fiber and that was the largest their cure ovens could handle. However, with steel that restriction is gone. 18 meters seems like the next step, but that is just doubling the original diameter. Perhaps the new diameter would be based on the largest SpaceX can transport?

NASA uses barges to transport their large rocket parts, and since Boca Chica is near the gulf then SpaceX might employ that. Such barges can easily handle stuff over 20 meters wide.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:00:20 2020 No.11957468 hop on sunday?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:00:55 2020 No.11957471 File: 2.82 MB, 1280x528, ForbiddenPlanet_(1956)_3.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957460 Because the tiger is her friend. He never attacked her before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6YS2_7obHM

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:02:15 2020 No.11957473

>>11957468
Maybe. They seem satisfied doing just one static fire. My theory is that just like how SN4 originally “lowballed” it’s pressure test, SpaceX figures that one firing is “good enough”, and would rather have SN5 explode during flight rather than on a test that has been done before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:02:27 2020 No.11957474 File: 129 KB, 900x773, hop_on_earth_as_it_is_in_heaven.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957468 >hop on sunday?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:03:27 2020 No.11957480 >>11957474 Filthy 7th day advent hoppist. Get out!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:10:55 2020 No.11957502 >>11957468 Doubt, road closures were cancelled yesterday. Probably something went wrong with the static fire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:11:20 2020 No.11957503 >>11957468 >>11957474 >SpaceX have stated that they modified the Raptors >they wont say what the modifications were >hop on sunday >Starship lights it's engines >they sound like Gregorian chants >everyone whos watching gets a religious experience

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:14:43 2020 No.11957516 >>11957503 Engines light up, Halo 3 theme starts blaring out of the engine bells

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:17:16 2020 No.11957521 File: 28 KB, 439x438, 1A9ktJ8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ywn find a big tiddy space gf >ywn find friends who give a shit about space why even live /sfg/ bros?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:23:00 2020 No.11957540 File: 2.22 MB, 2796x1518, gbh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957126 To be fair I don't like Trump. I'm just a fascist.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:25:37 2020 No.11957548

>>11957521
bro the general about spaceflight of all things is the last place to be a doomer, a lot of people don't give a shit about space but if we can hold on for a few more decades then we'll be secure in a future that lasts thousands of years or more and those of us living alive right now are among the first generations to experience that

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:31:21 2020 No.11957568

>>11957548
I'm a born pessimist desu. Thank fuck that I discovered SpaceX (and thanks to them the whole space industry). It's literally the only thing that keeps me alive, thinking that one day we'll reach for the stars. Made a promise to myself to not kms before SpaceX lands first humans on Mars. 2026 (that's what I'm counting on) can't come soon enough.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:32:49 2020 No.11957575

>>11957126
No Democrat (or Republican) since 1972 has been in favor of funding NASA or pushing the previous boundaries of space flight
Republicans outright deny science, Democrats claim to love science, and either ignore it, or misunderstand it and fuck up the direction money goes into it (like retarded green energy scams)
Trump is the only president since Kennedy to not fuck up the previous presidents policies in space, which makes him automatically better for space flight by default, whether he's a useless retard or not lmao, he likes seeing big rockets go up

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:32:53 2020 No.11957576

>>11957548
>a few more decades
>first generations to experience that
I hope they cure ageing this century bros. I just want to watch humanity expand and conquer the stars. don't care if I'm stuck in a crippled old body observing from the sidelines, I just want to see it happen...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:33:32 2020 No.11957579 File: 68 KB, 1024x819, 50d91ad9e0c604908056cc8e4a552273.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957521 i'll be your friend anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:35:36 2020 No.11957585 >>11957521 We're all space frenz here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:53:16 2020 No.11957617 >>11957579 <3 >>11957585 /sfg/ has always had a special place in my heart

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:08:07 2020 No.11957655 File: 119 KB, 555x727, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh boy, here we go

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:12:24 2020 No.11957671 >>11957655 >420PM dammit elon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:13:18 2020 No.11957678 File: 635 KB, 1300x731, AIIIIEEEEEEza showers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957325 Same.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:13:27 2020 No.11957679 File: 360 KB, 1242x1382, FD45E433-F8C0-4B31-AE86-C12FBEF5BFAE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957655 >Starhopper flew August 27, 2019 >Mfw it’s been a year since the 150 meter hop

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:14:56 2020 No.11957685 >>11957679 At least they have progress, unlike the orange rocket.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:15:48 2020 No.11957687 >>11957685 Orange rocket core and interstage are at KSC now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:17:42 2020 No.11957695 File: 89 KB, 1920x1088, CIR7jvq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ywn be dispatched to an alien world and participate in a "cultural exchange" program and learn about their anatomy and how it's surprisingly compatible with your own

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:20:03 2020 No.11957702 >>11957687 No, they've been sitting at Stennis for over half a year waiting for a Green Test that hasn't been done yet due to "reasons". The breakneck speed of oldspace!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:20:45 2020 No.11957706 >>11957702 https://twitter.com/NASAKennedy/status/1288951677685465090

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:20:51 2020 No.11957707 >>11957687 The green run has been going on for ages now, still haven't fired the engines. The progress is fucking slow. But at the end of the day, I'd still love to see SLS fly, despite it being garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:21:40 2020 No.11957710 File: 1.47 MB, 1932x1082, NoPicsAndDidn'tHappen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.rocketlabusa.com/news/updates/rocket-lab-to-resume-electron-launches-in-august/ Electron is back!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:22:50 2020 No.11957717 File: 14 KB, 320x279, OIP.5jYHoJkBwjpxqhWnpQbzYwAAAA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11957695 >tfw no spacecat waifu

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:24:03 2020 No.11957719 >>11957706 That's the interstage adapter, the complete core is still at Stennis IIRC. SpaceX can test some of the most advanced engines in the world while NASA has yet to testfire four engines that have been around since the 80s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:25:17 2020 No.11957724 >>11957710 Good shit. Very proud of them >>11957679 To be honest they have probably made a lot of progress since starhopper. At least I like to think

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:27:04 2020 No.11957731 ESA launch in 1 hour apparently

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:27:29 2020 No.11957733

>>11957724
Starhopper was about testing Raptor. This is about testing the tanks and control systems as well as Raptor. The 20km hop is going to be really fun since that requires a more aerodynamic prototype.

>>11957731
Yep, Ariane 5 with three big GTO satellites.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:27:45 2020 No.11957736 >>11957579 >>11957585 Nothing compares to being able to share your enthusiasm towards spaceflight in real life to someone :/. So far, absolutely nobody has given a fuck about it. They're like "okay, cool".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:29:21 2020 No.11957737 >>11957710 >filename

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:32:57 2020 No.11957748 >>11957655 a road closure was just scheduled at boca chica for 4pm-5pm local today for some reason https://www.cameroncounty.us/spacex/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:35:16 2020 No.11957759 new >>11957754

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 17:36:24 2020 No.11958012 >>11956118 >Starliner >Doesn't go on star cruises how is this allowed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 17:43:50 2020 No.11958039 >>11957736 I was really chuffed that my gf was interested in spotting Starlink sats flying over a couple of months ago

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