[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/sci/ - Science & Math


View post   

File: 33 KB, 815x379, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11939962 No.11939962 [Reply] [Original]

Why didn't you major in Chemical, Computer, Electrical, or Aerospace Engineering?

Did you really want to be cucked to making under 6 figures for the rest of your life?

>> No.11941114
File: 191 KB, 500x375, nani.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941114

>>11939962
These numbers while true are misleading. Physics and math have a huge percentage of graduates that go back into academia where they get paid the same as the guy that flips your burgers faggot. Engineers are trained to go into industry and very few remain in academia, thus their median salaries are obviously going to be higher.
Math and physics graduates that do go into industry are paid on average much higher than engineers because they are usually used as niche analysts and consultants in business and finance. As well, recently data science has become the hottest fad out there, populated mostly by mathematicians and statisticians.

Economics is a valid subject but economists are a dime a dozen and get paid fairly for their saturated market.

>> No.11941120

>>11939962
>money money
there are easier avenues to make money, so if that's all you care about i don't see why engineering is shilled so hard. You should do these forms of engineering if you like the work.
>but muh STEM respect and prestigerino!

>> No.11941133
File: 43 KB, 340x554, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941133

>>11941114
>Math and physics graduates that do go into industry are paid on average much higher than engineers because they are usually used as niche analysts and consultants in business and finance.
Chemical and Computer Engineering majors make more than Physics majors at the 75th percentile. Industrial Engineering makes the same as Physics Majors. All of the previously mentioned majors, plus Electrical Engineering majors, make more than Math majors.

>> No.11941134

>>11939962
Money isn't everything, it only indicates your value to society.

>> No.11941140

>>11939962
BS in physics from a small liberal arts school. Just got my first job making $70k per year for salary. It's all good.

>> No.11941144

>>11941140
what do you do?

>> No.11941166

>>11941144
I can boil it down to "data analysis and modeling of various large-scale physics related phenomena". I literally haven't even finished HR training, just started. I don't have any specific projects yet. Our department works with a lot of coding which I know almost jack shit about. I'm actually having massive, massive imposter syndrome. I don't know how I got hired or how I can contribute here, but here I am.

I'm almost 30 and just finished my B.S. in May. No internship, no research. I commuted to school worked all through college in food service, but got really good grades. If I can get this job, then so can the young autists on /sci/. I really thought I was going to making like $55k here, I was shocked when my offer letter said $70k. That was more than my absolute best-case scenario for almost any starting job with my degree.

>> No.11941173

>>11939962
All the engineers I know who were in it for the money all kept failing their classes. If you're in it for the money, that's what I imagine you being.

>> No.11941177

>>11941173
The engineers who are "in it for the money" would generally have done some liberal arts degree, or become a tradie, if they hadn't fallen for the STEM meme.

If you are an intelligent /sci/ poster and your option is between engineering or math, choosing engineering with its higher rewards seems pretty obvious.

>> No.11941180

I never had to work in the first place so I studied math. Enjoy the wage cage.

>> No.11941191

>>11941166
Bs at 30 what were you doing before? Most bs are for 22 year olds?

>> No.11941196

>>11941173
This is very accurate from my experience. Sadly the quality of universities has lowered enough to allow a significant number of them to slip through and make it to industry where they are constantly fucking things up.

>> No.11941210

>>11939962
>computer science starting median 55k
>mid career median 95k
is this 2009?

>> No.11941218

>>11941120
>there are easier avenues to make money,
if you're a B student at a no name state school you can easilly clear six figures (not in the bay even) by the time you're 24 what's easier than that?

>> No.11941221

>>11941191
I worked in retail and food service. I didn't start attending university until I was in my mid 20s. I was too poor to attend college when I was 18 and I also never thought I was smart enough. I was feeling really trapped, though. After 7 years of barely scraping by working different shitty wageslave jobs I started taking classes. I ended up graduating with a 3.85 in Physics with a minor in math. I wish I hadn't waited so long, but when I was 18 college never even entered my mind as a possibility and I was completely unaware of the various other opportunities that exist, so I consigned myself to a life of making sandwiches. It was only meeting other people I realized some of the options open to me I never realized were there.

>> No.11941234
File: 21 KB, 650x650, 1501197616805.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941234

>>11939962
Because Optical Engineering is a thing that exists

>> No.11941245

>>11941234
dont optometrists make like $40k?

>> No.11941258

>>11941245
100k easy for those who know what they're doing
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/optical-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,16.htm
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/listing/optical-engineer-salary
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Optical_Engineer/Salary

>> No.11941277

Economy makes more money and has way less autistic incels in it. STEM is just for colosal fags who where bullied all their life long.

>> No.11941332

>>11941234
what do you do and what did you major in to get in?

>>11941258
>mfw everyone is an engineer now

>> No.11941335
File: 6 KB, 266x189, apu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941335

>>11941332
wow i'm a brainlet 4chan engineer i forgot the mfw pic

>> No.11941341

>>11939962
>chemical engineering
Go to bls and check how many chemical engineering jobs there are in the US
This chart is a meme that doesn't consider employment opportunities.
Average salary for people in the field means nothing if its nearly impossible to get a job in the field.

>> No.11941348
File: 121 KB, 1068x1028, University of Rochester.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941348

>>11941332
I majored in Optics at pic related. Most schools have a few classes in the Physics or Electrical Engineering departments.
I'm more interested in research, but I don't know a single graduate of my program who didn't have a solid job in industry a year later if they wanted one.

>> No.11941357

>>11941348
hm yeah i thought optics was a physics field but i didn't realize there was an entire specialty for it
idk i'm a csfag so we just take what we can get because very few people are qualified for anything specialized at all straight out of undergrad, or even grad school

>> No.11941363

>>11939962
The one thing these jobs lists I don't think consider is that a lot of engineers don't get "engineering" jobs. Instead they go into management positions where they make fuck tons of more money.

>> No.11941373

>>11941363
this really put me off from engineering
you're told this from the start by basically everyone you know if you you anyone in engineering, especially EE. you're basically expected to do gruntwork, corporate culture is very much about cost saving, and everyone kind of pushes you to get an mba and enter management

>> No.11941383

>>11941373
The fuck are you talking about? How is management grunt work? It's the least grunt thing you'll ever do.

>> No.11941388
File: 133 KB, 757x502, 1501241804687 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941388

>>11941357
>i thought optics was a physics field
Sure, there's a strong basis in physics, but the applications are everywhere in practically any other field you can think of:
Physics? Lasers and quantum interactions.
Chemistry? Quantum dots.
Astronomy/Astrophysics? Telescopes, imaging techniques, image processing
Material science? Display technology, optical metamaterials, etc (BIG APPLICATIONS HERE)
Comp sci/data science? Backbone of the internet is fiber optic cables. Significant quantum computing efforts are in photonic integrated circuits and other optical processing methods.
Bio/Healthcare? Microscopy, MRI, CT, fluorescence tagging, and more

The list goes on and on.

>> No.11941393

>>11939962
>B-BUT 4CHAN TOLD ME I WOULD MAKE $300K A YEAR IF I STUDIED MATH!!!! REEEEEE

>> No.11941394

>>11941383
i meant starting off doing grunt work and then moving to management

>> No.11941397

>>11941221
Wow and did the people interviewing you ask you about why you are a little older, no red flags from them?

>> No.11941398

>>11941388
was referring more to the kind of background expected to be hired to work with optics

>> No.11941404

>>11941394
Well from what everyone is telling me you don't even go grunt work. They groom you for management as soon as you start.

>> No.11941414

>>11941398
Then yeah probably. I'd guess most general "optics" courses in geometric optics/imaging are taught in physics/applied physics departments.

>> No.11941438

>>11941397
They asked me. I just told them truth. I said when I was 18 I never considered college and it was only after getting trapped in shitty service jobs for years I knew I needed to get out, so decided to get an education. I don't know. I spun it as a positive. Creating a vision and following through with it.

>> No.11941439

>>11939962
I majored in the humanities but will be going to medical school. So I think I got the best of both worlds.

>> No.11941441

>>11941439
You can’t go to medical school if you studied humanities retard

>> No.11941448

>>11941441
A very common misconception. Medical schools don’t care what you studied in undergrad but keep being ignorant. Good luck with all the pretty ladies in your engineering courses.

>> No.11941468

>>11941404
if you start off in management track maybe, most people i've talked to said they've been thrown grunt work at the start

>> No.11941556

>>11941218
this isn't exactly true. Getting a job in engineering takes a lot of internships, at least a 3.2 GPA, a semester of research experience, and good networking.
Going into finance requires you only to have the GPA focus and internships, and the networking generally works out by itself.

>> No.11941568

>>11941556
>Getting a job in engineering takes a lot of internships, at least a 3.2 GPA, a semester of research experience, and good networking.
this wasn't the case at my school, generally speaking if you interned at a big company or two you could get a return offer. 3.0 or 3.2 depending on where you're applying, some of the more competitive places ask for a 3.5. i don't know anyone who did research that wasn't going for phd
almost every EE and CE i've met got a job, mechs are oversaturated but generally most people with at least a 3.0 got something, the cs memefags at my school make like 80-90k on average graduating.

maybe finance is easier but i haven't met a lot of people in finance that weren't well connected going into it

>> No.11941678

>>11941438
Damn, rooting for you man

>> No.11941697

>>11939962
Because mechanical engineering pays about as well and its greater flexibility in the job market can help keep from being another Bachelor's degree barista.

>> No.11941700

>>11941133
>Completely misunderstanding his post
Your parents must be so proud

>> No.11941773

>>11939962
Major doesn't matter if you're willing to be a shill.
>t. PoliSci and Stats dual major, six figures as an associate partner at a lobbying firm after seven years working on the Hill

>> No.11941892
File: 41 KB, 460x471, ayX45rb_460s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941892

>>11939962
I studied psych in school, lots of stats and research, natural math minor just had to take calc 3 and baby proofs
>first job
>data analyst big company
>52k salary
>50k+ stocks vest over 2 years

We can pretend that my "mid career" salary is going to be low but we know its not. Yall are way to fucked over your degree.

>> No.11941896

>>11941773
I hope you get hit by a truck one day, contract covid 19 in the hospital if you survive, and die from that. Alone.

>> No.11941897
File: 184 KB, 446x345, Capture1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11941897

>>11941892
cont.
Forgot to mention that I dont even live in cali or seattle or whatever fuck place where houses cost 800k

>> No.11941902

>>11939962
That’s for autists with no social skills who’ll never get in to management. Have fun being a permavirgin still trying to keep up with new technologies in your 60s while your outdated Python skills see you being overtaken by young kids

>> No.11941962

>>11941173
I initially went into English because I was a humanities fag in high school. I realized how pointless it was after my first year so I dropped out to work as a helper for a carpentry crew. Construction seemed appealing to me, so I decided to go to community college for civil engineering and when I have my technology diploma in a year I will probably transfer to a real university and get my full degree. Thanks for reading my blog post.

>> No.11942008

I regret studying chemical engineering. I graduated and got the money $110k starting and realised that it ain't all about the money and quit. Now I am unemployed and much happier looking to get into environmental science

>> No.11942041

>>11939962
Where's electronics engineering? Does it count as computer or electrical engineering?

>> No.11942061

>>11941234
>>11941348
>>11941388
Where do your colleagues typically find jobs? I've been studying photonics and am getting anxious on if I'll find something good once I get out after this year.

>> No.11942120

>>11939962
Because I'm a software engineer and make double that at the start of my career.

Though I did major in EE.

>> No.11942138
File: 490 KB, 449x401, Girls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11942138

>>11941892
> he's bragging about 77k TC
I hate to break it you anon, but that's really fucking pathetic.

You can cope all you want, but new grads in New York and Cali easily SAVE more than you gross in a year. And that's after living expenses and taxes.

>> No.11942293

>>11942138
>hedons and sodomites get laid WAY more than you :)

>> No.11942346
File: 98 KB, 809x809, 1595537072980.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11942346

>>11942293
You're not doing bad at all, better than the horde of grads working minimum wage or tending bar or some other shit after college.

But in terms of people who actually pursue and obtain real careers, the truth is you're at the very bottom.

As such, you really shouldn't give advice, or at least lie about your compensation so you don't seem like a total joke.

>> No.11942363

>>11939962

this is fucking pathetic. chicken managers make over 90k a year with little to no high school education.

>> No.11942392
File: 396 KB, 591x864, 0326E8D3-52A0-41D9-A015-FDA71E1CA524.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11942392

>Engineers and Physicists will make you ric-

>> No.11942504

>>11939962
Money is legitimately always a losing race in terms of value and fulfillment. As long as you have enough to live your life outside work comfortably (depends on your lifestyle) and you’re honest with what you want, you might as well passionately chase something that makes you feel fulfilled on a level deeper than the satisfaction of the dollar.
>>11942346
>But in terms of people who actually pursue and obtain real careers, the truth is you're at the very bottom.
What makes a career “real” is way out of the hands of what some employer can give you. The only thing that legitimizes your career is some quantification of its impact, and that quantification can’t be related to the dollar.
Lots of researchers out there have high impact research at the cost of immediate compensation, but aside from the people who never really wanted to do research in the first place, I’ve seldom heard people be unsatisfied with their work in research (both industrial and academic)

>> No.11942507

Did bio and 4 years out only making 50k. Doing a masters in stat though so hopefully I can get 70k when I finish school.

>> No.11942510

>>11939962
I studied business and economics. Sucky dick

>> No.11944286

i'm not a brainlet """engineer"""

>> No.11945404

>>11941191
I'm 28 and just graduated with a BSc Physics and a BSc Biology. I was in the Army for five years though. I'm continuing onto MSc CS but I'd gladly be in the other anons shoe making 70k with just a Physics degree. Why is physics meant for a 22 y/o?

My grades were shit when I was younger but now I don't mind school and graduated with a 3.98.

>> No.11945406

>>11939962
The only people I know making bank with a chemical or aerospace engineering degree are the ones who switched to software.

>> No.11945445

>>11941438

Well done sir

>> No.11945478

>>11941166
Thanks for the hope, anon.