/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11935712]

How much stuff in the 40k lore is scientifically possible? Lasguns I'm sure could happen, hover tanks are a maybe, space marines are far off. The warp is just fantasy from what we know.

So /sci/?

[Anonymous No.11935720]

>>11935712
very little. its very strange there are a bunch of civilizations that have super advance technology but no AI. a single AI could easily take over the whole galaxy no trouble.

[Anonymous No.11935727]

>>11935720
AI is cope for low iq retards that don't understand the overwhelming efficiency of biological cognition.

[Anonymous No.11935737]

>>11935727
self improving AI is better the static limited biological things. there are hard limits on biological shit unless you want to basically become a biological computer. AI has theoretically has no limits on its growth it can keep expanding itself and improving itself in seconds. it would be exponential.

[Anonymous No.11935785]

>>11935720
Well, in the story its said that AI rebelled and nearly destroyed everything once, which is why it's not used anymore.

[Anonymous No.11935792]

>>11935785
>Well, in the story its said that AI rebelled and nearly destroyed everything once, which is why it's not used anymore.
plenty of civilizations to try again and do it correctly

[Anonymous No.11935837]

>>11935792
You can't just let A.I. heretics run around while being alive.

[Anonymous No.11936120]

>>11935792
any that did were usually progressive enough to let psykers remain alive, which during the age of strife immediately lead into daemons possessing them and making a portal to hell for more daemons to pour through and annihilate that civilization
The backwards witch burners were pretty much the only shattered remnants of humanity to survive the age of strife, even Terra itself was subject to 5000 years of fuck before Big E unified it

[Anonymous No.11936162]

>>11935720
they tried building AI but it predictably resulted in terminators that buttraped everything in their path, so after they narrowly won the war it became a staple of their deluded religion to never build AI again under pain of death.

[Anonymous No.11936178]

>>11936162
the imperial cult is important to prevent the ruinous power of chaos from fucking everything in the ass
it stops being delusion when there really are demons looking in through the window

[Anonymous No.11936208]

>>11936162
Okay so what about Eldar? What about Tau? What about <insert other technologically advanced race besides humans here>?

[Anonymous No.11936217]

>>11935720
>>11935785
In the lore, the AIs were corrupted by chaos and led to humans being forced to ally with xenos who then betryed humanity and led to an Age of Strife
Emperor made the rule never to make one again.
Instead, they just use REAL human brains as a super computer and called it "holy unification of man and machine"
Seriously

[Anonymous No.11936256]

>>11936217
Imperium =! Mechanicus
they're an independent substate within the imperium, as agreed upon by Big E himself since he knew that a war against the long since unified and industrialized mars would be horrendously expensive
all schizo-tech bullshittery comes from the toaster fuckers

[Anonymous No.11936291]

>>11936178
the emperor himself said revering him like a god and creating a religion was megacringe.

[Anonymous No.11936313]

>>11936291
Because he didn't want to be stripped from his individuality and turned into a god.
The rule of the 40k universe is that: if someone think about something = it spawns in the warp.
The more intense is the thought the more powerful is its presence.
Now guess what happen when quadrillions of individuals fanatically believe that a man is their god for over 10 millenia.

Not /sci/ btw

[Anonymous No.11936318]

>>11936313
Based Christians desu.

[Anonymous No.11936346]

A warp drive could theoretically be possible if we could produce negative mass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
if we were to be able to produce negative mass on a large basis then hover tanks could be possible

[Anonymous No.11936463]

>>11936346
Hovertanks already exists and they are called Helicopters.

[Anonymous No.11936487]

>>11935720
>muh AI!
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.11936558]

>>11936313
>The rule of the 40k universe is that: if someone think about something = it spawns in the warp.

Stop making shit up.

That's not the reason at all. And that's not how it works at all either.

If that was true, you could just disbelieve the chaos gods from existence. Slaanesh didn't emerge because the Eldar believed that she existed. She emerged because they did horrible shit and the warp feeds off the emotions (not what you believe or think).

[Anonymous No.11936574]

>>11935720
>a single AI could easily take over the whole galaxy no trouble.

[Anonymous No.11936652]

>>11936558
>>11936558
t. hasn't read a single 40k book, religious fervor and belief is literally able to repel demons in universe. In Einsenhorn books he uses a canticle to fight some underground demonic horror.
Why do you think the Emperor was so upset when Lorgar was making a religion out of him?

>just disbelieve the chaos gods from existence.
That's literally what the Emperor tried to do with the imperial truth dimwit.

[Anonymous No.11936657]

>>11936652
>That's literally what the Emperor tried to do with the imperial truth dimwit.

And the fact that it didn't do shit, should tell you something. At the beginning of the Horus Heresy nobody believes in demons. Yet they still appear.

On the other hand, trying to find consistency in Warhammer lore is retarded as fuck anyway.

[Anonymous No.11936691]

>>11935712
>Lasguns I'm sure could happen
I very much doubt it: lasguns are described as essentially as effective as a modern firearm. They don't rely on continuous heating over a few seconds like modern laser point defence systems, but rather produce a single, huge pulse. The energy involved would be massive and would likely need to be installed on a giant machine, with similarly gigantic power packs. It's just difficult to imagine batteries ever getting that efficient, and having a handheld laser that could produce such a powerful pulse.

[Anonymous No.11937257]

>>11935737
There isno reason why we couldn't evolve bigger brains as needed. Our cognition is being limited by the toxins from the ice age civ.

[Anonymous No.11937285]

>>11937257
extremely slow compared to an AI.

[Anonymous No.11937288]

>>11936487
not an argument

[Anonymous No.11937375]

>>11937285
No it isn't.

[Anonymous No.11937385]

>>11937285
The brain is the most energy efficient and most powerful computer there is.
Brain in a jar computers are going to absolutely destroy Skynetshit toe to toe

[Anonymous No.11937408]

>>11936657
Dont talk shite. People believe in demons, angels and pixies even today. What makes future retards any different?

[Anonymous No.11937577]

>>11935712
well we could probably make something similar to space marines right now probably only in size and muscle as we've done numerous fuckery with muscle growth

[Anonymous No.11937586]

>>11935712
Why Komi?

[Anonymous No.11937596]

>>11937586
Because she is my god

[Anonymous No.11937662]

>>11936657
reminder that the eldar are in fact a thing, and also know of chaos, what with them birthing slaanesh

[Anonymous No.11938598]

>>11936256
Magos Degio Khamrios studied old AI and published his findings among the mechanicus, thinking it would be accepted but the mechanicus and the inquisition hunted him down
Also Horus promised to lift the AI ban and warp tech ban to the Mechanicum if Kebor Hal sided with the traitors
And the AI titan Castigore converted to chaos 5 minutes after being built

[Anonymous No.11938668]

>>11936217
Were the MOI corrupted by Chaos? Wasnt it the Mars Dragon who started this shit ?

How can machines be corrupted if they dont got souls?

[Anonymous No.11938769]

>>11938668
Castigore turned to chaos after getting stuck in the warp for 1000 years and bound to a greater daemon
Void drgon also could fuck up any machine nearby as well, but he was stuck on Mars since the 11th century

[Anonymous No.11938795]

>>11938769

>Castigore turned to chaos after getting stuck in the warp for 1000 years and bound to a greater daemon

Well fuck, I guess even the most braindead blank can get chaos fucked given enough time. I was thinking of a situation where a machine in normal conditions turns to chaos.

[Anonymous No.11939257]

>>11935727

Human brain uses about 20 watts and 1.2 kg of mass. We could make something a billion times bigger! We could use rare resources and global supply chains, not limited by what biology can throw together. More heat, more cold, more energy, more industry. Intelligence by design, not by trial and error.

[Anonymous No.11940658]

>>11935720
m8 this universe literally has machine spirits that genuinely exist, you can accidentally create AI just by making a mechanism with a few cogs in your home workshop

[Anonymous No.11940714]

>>11939257
Mate, the brain is super efficient.
It has the processing power of 100,000 computer while consuming only 20 watts.

>We could make something a billion times bigger!
Dumbass

[Anonymous No.11941080]

>>11940714

No it fucking doesn't. You don't have the 'processing power' of a calculator in some areas. I can't mine fucking bitcoin.

I'm saying that we can get human level intelligence with 20 watts, so it should be possible to get far-superhuman intelligence with a nuclear plant and entire buildings devoted to computer equipment. We can't do it now, but it should be possible at some point.

[Anonymous No.11941247]

>>11941080
Yeah, if you can beat its energy efficiency to start with.

[Anonymous No.11941447]

>>11941247

Oh, we'll beat its energy efficiency for all tasks in time. A system optimized for navigating the African savannah is not the highest form of intelligence in the universe. Something made in 9 months with very limited resources, with another 18 years of testing and development is not going to match what could be. Glucose is not the ultimate energy source.

And who's more efficient at calculating? You or the machine? Prime factorization? Storing images? The brain does a really shit job at a lot of stuff which is why we store information in machines, not people. Biological supremacists were doomed from the invention of writing.

[Anonymous No.11941557]

>>11938795
>I was thinking of a situation where a machine in normal conditions turns to chaos.
There was the scrapcode, which was sealed in the moravac vault and caused daemonic incursions across Mars' computer networks but it was Chaos in information form
It always requires some form of daemonic binding to corrupt any machine, dark mechanicum deal with that shit all the time but many other races use warp tech without any note of chaos taint
There was also a forge world producing daemonic data looms that were being used to crack the code of reality and allow Tzeentch to just do away with realspace

[Anonymous No.11941596]

>>11941080
>I can't mine fucking bitcoin.

wait, you're saying that you don't mine bitcoin with a pencil and notepad?

[Anonymous No.11942003]

>>11941447
It's called Moravec's paradox, dumbass
During the 70's, people thought that AIs on par with humans are going to come soon because their AIs can do advanced mathemathics and simpletons like you think that the ability to do math is a sign of intelligence

Turns out it was a fallacy as the ability to talk, walk, display emotions, and ask questions are massively more difficult tasks.

Don't say that AIs would take over because they can do math
Ask if they could ever learn to do art, philosophy, and know when to ask a question.

[Anonymous No.11942006]

>>11942003
We're training driving AI though this tiresome captcha. A person doesn't need to see every stoplight in existence to recognize a stoplight. Pretty amazing.

[Anonymous No.11942013]

>>11942006
Yeah, sure. But here's a truth bomb:
What differs a man from an animal and a machine is the ability ask questions.

All because in order to have the ability to recognize your shortcomings is to also have the ability to recognize that other beings have information that you don't. Any animal that was able to do so is considered sapient.

To this day, we have no idea how the conciousness works. And they delved down at the quantum level of investigation

[Anonymous No.11942028]

>>11942013
>To this day, we have no idea how the conciousness works.
It's just a wave function m8, interspersed with tens of millions of if-else statement checks wired to biological impulses.

[Anonymous No.11942032]

>>11942028
I'm sure I'm talking to someone smarter than entire research institutes

[Anonymous No.11942042]

>>11942032
We're on 4chan. You could be talking to Obama for all you know.

[Anonymous No.11942150]

>>11935727
I had a scifi idea about human 'components' to warmachines because the randomisation and speed was still superior. A modified caste of soldiers for this exact purpose. Not reduced to mere brains because the whole human, at least somewhat healthy, with human needs met, is needed to make effective human components.