Why can't people just wear a mask and stay inside as much as possible? Is it natural selection?

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Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:07:16 2020 No.11930705 [Reply] [Original]

Why can't people just wear a mask and stay inside as much as possible?
Is it natural selection?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:09:31 2020 No.11930713 File: 72 KB, 773x434, Chickenpox-Party.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is how you get herd immunity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:09:38 2020 No.11930715 >>11930705 Maybe Americans have nothing to live for and don't really care if they get it because their life already sucks so bad. That's the case for me at least.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:10:59 2020 No.11930721 >>11930705 why the fuck would people listen to you of all people? We're meant to be free aren't we?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:11:33 2020 No.11930726 >>11930705 Because we're free unlike Europeans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:15:41 2020 No.11930745 >>11930726 >>11930721 can you listen to doctors at least?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:17:39 2020 No.11930755 >>11930745 no, they can fuck themselves and so can you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:19:13 2020 No.11930760 >>11930713 NYC was hammered and they're still only at 25% herd immunity. Spain is at 5%. Sweden's not even close. The antibodies don't remain elevated for long enough to ever get close.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:20:07 2020 No.11930766 >>11930760 Even with recycled air?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:24:39 2020 No.11930795

>>11930705
Total number of cases is a terrible measure to compare between nations, because every nation has different testing methods and rates of testing.
Total deaths would be more useful, but still not perfect due to inconsistencies in what constitutes dying OF COVID rather than WITH COVID.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:34:24 2020 No.11930836 >>11930745 We're just tired of "experts" and elites thinking they know more than us.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:53:22 2020 No.11930905
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>>11930713
>trying to achieve herd immunity
>with a NOVEL virus that we know very little about

we don't even know if immunity is possible yet, but by all means, don't let that stop you from shooting yourself in the leg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:58:34 2020 No.11930924 >>11930755 >>11930836 I know you’re trolling, but seriously this type of LARP belongs on >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:01:03 2020 No.11930930 >>11930705 So the narrative went from "people are dying" to "people are infected"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:01:37 2020 No.11930932 >>11930705 stay inside? yes please. Dumb beachgoers and restless kids protesting. masks? false sense of security, particularly homemade ones makes people take unnecessary risks

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:02:25 2020 No.11930938 File: 243 KB, 680x709, yes chad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930705 >Is it natural selection? https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cucked-by-corona/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:04:33 2020 No.11930943 >>11930938 good thing the penis and not the balls are used for sex

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:09:10 2020 No.11930958 >>11930705 because thats not even what yuropoors are doing and makes no sense if you dont have symptoms so shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:09:20 2020 No.11930959 >>11930705 It's a mix of low intellect and unsolved psychological issues.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:10:03 2020 No.11930960 >>11930705 It’s funny because the highest infection rates are in places with the highest compliance rates like California

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:10:44 2020 No.11930963 >>11930760 >The antibodies don't remain elevated for long enough to ever get close. If that's the case then we're stuck with this virus no matter what we do, and therefore the lockdowns were completely pointless.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:11:57 2020 No.11930968

>>11930930
this. in my country they did a 4 month qurantine when we had very few cases per day to "avoid the colapse" wich made no fucking sense at all and now that we are starting to have more cases (120 deaths per day-ish) they decided to remove the restrictions. I was right all along, quarantine was a retarded pontless idea nd now eeverybody is poor, wich was the plan all along, and retrds keep supporting the covid nonsense

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:14:47 2020 No.11930976 File: 24 KB, 632x756, 986.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930960 >>11930795 stop questioning the media, chuds. wear the mask and eat the bugs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:25:17 2020 No.11930996 >>11930976 why is wearing a mask bad?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:26:49 2020 No.11930999 >>11930996 who said it was? it isnt good, it is pointles and retarded just like all the quarantine for non-symptomatics

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:27:52 2020 No.11931003 >>11930705 because they don't fucking care about your irrational fears

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:29:17 2020 No.11931011

>>11930705
Our mortality rate is dropping significantly. The main reason our cases are going up is we are doing a LOT of testing. A huge amount of the supposed positives are being improperly reported as well. I'm too lazy to look for the source, but florida cases were overstated by something like 10 times...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:38:53 2020 No.11931043 >>11930705 My whole family took a vacation last month and had a blast. Stop living in fear, sheeple.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:41:50 2020 No.11931048 >>11930924 >if you dont want to lick the boot youre trolling kys

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:58:56 2020 No.11931089

>>11931011
>A huge amount of the supposed positives are being improperly reported as well. I'm too lazy to look for the source, but florida cases were overstated by something like 10 times...
Florida's had a large spike in deaths despite the country as a whole only experiencing a recent, small rise.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:02:05 2020 No.11931093 >>11930760 >Spain is at 5%. Yup, and we're about to close the country again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:02:11 2020 No.11931095 >>11931089 Florida also is one of the oldest on average states in the US

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:02:24 2020 No.11931097 >>11930960 >Highest infection rates in the states that have the highest population Imagine my shock. California shut down first and was doing the best the longest, but when everything else opened up, guess where people went on vacation?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:04:05 2020 No.11931103 >>11930963 >Vaccines don't exist Might as well kill yourself since you will die if you stop breathing for a couple minute anyways.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:09:15 2020 No.11931120 >>11930705 This is the country that thinks earth is flat. USA is fucked.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:14:41 2020 No.11931136 >>11931103 You really think enough of the US will actually take a vaccine to get rid of this? Half of you don't even trust the non-rushed vaccines.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:20:29 2020 No.11931160 >>11930924 ok I'll drop the word elite but you get my point. Over the years, it turns out the "experts" are just like the rest of us. They don't know any better or worse than any of us.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:24:42 2020 No.11931188
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>>11930999
>it is pointles
Have you ever wondered where the inane logic of why masks don't work came from?

Here's a bit of trivia:
WAY BACK IN JANUARY, the CDC was trying to warn the president that he needed to enact the defense production act and start mass producing as many masks as possible cause we're going to run out. The white house said said, "No, we are aware of the situation and already have already have a plan to deal with the mask shortage. We'll just tell people not not to wear masks." Then this guy at CDC insisted that was a terrible idea and they NEEDED to make more masks. Then they fired him.

The idea that masks don't work is propaganda invented by president Trump. Every country that's beaten the virus has done it with masks, social distancing, and testing/contact tracing. Those are our ONLY weapons. Who ever put the idea in Trumps head to lie to the American people about masks instead of enact the defense production act is a traitor that cost thousands upon thousands of American lives. You're helping spread this lie!

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:24:50 2020 No.11931190

>>11931136
I wasn't arguing about whether the vaccine would be accepted, just that saying "we're stuck with it" is retarded.

The argument over the vaccines is going to be ugly. Vaccine cards are going to be seen as fascism by conservative groups all over.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:25:20 2020 No.11931192 >>11930999 >it is pointles and retarded Why? It is the most obvious thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:26:37 2020 No.11931197 >>11931188 It's pointless because corona is just a flue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:26:54 2020 No.11931199 File: 231 KB, 2048x1172, EUwrOkzWkAAURfa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930999 >just like all the quarantine for non-symptomatics see pic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:27:15 2020 No.11931200 >>11931103 How do you think vaccines work? Do you think vaccines work fundamentally differently than the natural process of obtaining herd immunity (i.e. transmission across a populace)?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:34:41 2020 No.11931223

Anecdote from PA here but I wonder how widespread this is. About a dozen coworkers went to a locale testing site, had their information taken but were then turned away due to a lack of testing kits at the site. A couple weeks later ALL of them received positive test results despite not being tested. Incompetence on the part of the site staff, I'm sure, but still pretty alarming.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:38:46 2020 No.11931244

>>11931200
Yes?

Just infecting everyone relies on natural non-tuned immune reactions and the selection procedure for new antibodies while the body is attempting to survive. Not to mention it gives an entire playground for the virus to mutate on until it becomes something entirely new that all those other people have 0 immunity against and may or may not be more dangerous. Kinda like that massively more virulent strain that came out of Europe.

A vaccine can have things to enhance immune response, without the pressure of the actual disease, while also allowing booster shots that will maintain immunity in the long run. Not mentioning the fact that it also reduces the ability for the virus to spread helping stamp out the disease instead of giving it a host to propagate in.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:39:40 2020 No.11931251

>>11931197
The flu doesn't shut down hospitals state wide due to overcrowding.

When they're full they can't help people. If you live in one of those states and you get appendicitis, then chances are you may die from appendicitis. If you get a broken bone, you'll just need to walk it off.
If you get in a car accident, chances are you may not get an ambulance in time and bleed out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:41:58 2020 No.11931261 >>11931251 Neither does corona.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:43:17 2020 No.11931266 >>11931251 >overcrowding Is this why emergency COVID hospitals worldwide were closed due to low demand?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:44:04 2020 No.11931270

>>11930705
>Is it natural selection?
No, its artificial selection.
The hypocrisy of people is absolute insanity. They won't exercise, they won't eat healthy, the won't stop watching the news and television, filling their mind with FUD, but for this one, trivial virus they'll put on their masks and bring out their pitchforks.
The healthy have nothing to worry about. Those "healthy" individuals which have died are not healthy in reality. Appearance is deceiving, and is not a good indicator of full-body health. I highly doubt any of these "healthy" people dying are fully conscious about what they are eating and doing in their lives.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:45:55 2020 No.11931275 >>11930705 Essential workers can't just stay home for two weeks. They handed us papers saying we were required to go to work basically, acting like they were giving us the privelege to do so.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:46:15 2020 No.11931278

>Don't wear masks
>Virus kills off fat, diabetic, weak people
>REALLY HIGH deaths in the beginning (Right now)
>Over time deaths will fall (Proportion of healthy people to unhealthy will rise)
>Soon the only ones left will be the healthy
>No more virus deaths because everyone beats it easily
>Problem solves
Fuck masks. People just need more patience.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:47:05 2020 No.11931282

>>11931270
>The healthy have nothing to worry about.
I wouldn't go that far, but relatively speaking you're right. Thing is no group was ever immune to this and the news made no effort to emphasize that. You'd have to have been functionally retarded to believe there was going to be any group that was completely immune to this, statistically speaking there were going to be SOME cases in all demographics, including infants, kids and healthy young adults. OF COURSE some of those groups were going to die to this, but I'm getting really sick of seeing the news take ONE fucking case of a healthy adult dying and saying "See? This can be you, no in fact it WILL be you you fucking sheep,"

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:47:42 2020 No.11931284

>>11931270
>Only sick people
Like all those people suffering permanent lung scaring and vascular damage (on top of brain damage) despite being asymptomatic?

Also fuck you, I'm trying to keep my immunompromised friend alive right now. He can't even go into lab to finish his PhD because tards still refuse to wear their masks.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:48:14 2020 No.11931288

>>11931244
Keyword here is *fundamentally*. It uses the same mechanisms and known biological systems to crowd out a disease. Obviously having "antibodies" isn't like an off/on switch, some antibodies are short lived (e.g. Rhinovirus) and cannot contribute to herd immunity. Vaccines are nice because you don't die, you can control/fine-tune the immune response, the risk of mutation is dramatically lower, et cetera... but it's still the same idea. If I water my crops "naturally" (i.e. with rain water) or if I go to each plant and pour some water on its soil, the process is different but key idea is still the same.

What I'm trying to say is that many of the pitfalls of natural herd immunity are also the pitfalls of vaccines. Ever wonder why you have to get a new flu vaccine each year and half the time they don't work? It's because the antibodies are often not long-lasting and the viruses mutate too quickly to be able to capture the scope of the flu in that given year.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:48:38 2020 No.11931290 >>11931278 You fucking idiot have been living under rock it seems. >>Virus kills off fat, diabetic, weak people No. It renders a huge portion of its victims unable to work. If not permanently, then at least for a very long time.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:56:33 2020 No.11931313

>>11931288
The reason the flu vaccine doesn't work isnt because the one strain of flu mutates. It's because the flu season encapsulates a shit load of possible flu viruses and the flu vaccine is the best guess of researchers on which ones are going to be the most prevalent. There is an issue with long lasting nature of antibodies too but boosters can help that immensely.

I'd say it's more akin to letting rain water your crops vs. Irrigating them. We can control and tune our irrigation system based on the water needs of our plants.

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of technical hurdles but it's not in the "it's here forever stage" by a long shot yet. Although if we get a bunch of nihilistic assholes running around being super carriers we might just end up with enough covid mutations we get a covid and a flu season each year.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:56:48 2020 No.11931315

>>11931284
Once again, likely not healthy. Truly healthy individuals are one in a thousand.
The first world is oppressive of the body in so many ways, its absolutely insane how disgusting our environments are. Microplastics from polyester clothing, plastic cups and dishes. Non-stick pots and pans with PTFE and PFOA that result in flu-like symptoms and are bio-accumulative. Poor sleep from blue light sources present in electronics and conventional house lighting. Pesticides present on the surfaces of food which has a cumulative effect over time, as well as GMOs from that one extremely untrustworthy company that are STILL not fully documented in terms of the effects they instigate. Not exercising at least once a day which FACILITATES THE HEALTH OF YOUR ENTIRE BODY, and increases BDNF expression within the brain up to three times as high. High as fuck stress from the FUD media, internet-centric communications, and dopamine-surging social media.
"Healthy" people are not healthy. I'm sorry about your immunocompromised friend, but to be honest they should've never been alive in the first place. Humanity has become complacent with how much it has supported peoples unhealthy lifestyles, and the entire human species has suffered as a result. You can't be angry at nature.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:02:20 2020 No.11931332

>>11931290
Last statistics I saw was 95% of cases are completely mild and no worse than a cold. The worst cases either the person dies in 14 days or they recover. Remember when Tom Hanks was diagnosed and now he’s completely fine? I’ve read talks of long term lung effects, but have yet to see statistics on how many people are actually affected

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:03:44 2020 No.11931338

>>11931315
You are making a wide sweeping generalization about a phenomena that no one understands fully yet on the premise of "perfect health". Oh, you are a GMO guy. Ah. This makes sense now.

Fuck Stephen Hawking then right? He should never have been alive and his contributions to physics aren't worth it. You ain't sorry for shit, it's an insult that you pretend to be. My friend has contributed more to materials science and musical culture in his short life so far then >95% will with their entire healthy lives. Just because someone got screwed over doesn't mean they deserve to fucking die. But yeah, maybe you not wanting to cover your face up is on the same level of suffering as someone actively dying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:03:50 2020 No.11931339 >>11931284 >Guys my aids friend can’t go to work because he has aids >This is society’s fault, not the aids

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:04:05 2020 No.11931341 >>11930705 Wear a mask and stay inside as much as possible are two independent variables. Why have you conflated them? I assume by "stay inside" you mean at home and not Wal-Mart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:04:57 2020 No.11931347 >>11931103 You sound pretty excited about getting your government issue needle every 3 months for the rest of your life. Drool more, retard.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:08:14 2020 No.11931355

>>11930795
The real measurement should be Mean Reduction of Expected Lifespan. If a bunch of 95 year old people whose life expectancy was only one more year die, that's very different than the same number of five year old children dying. But simply counting deaths, even if restricted just to death BY COVID, doesn't reflect this difference.
Calculate how many years of life COVID is cutting short and give the mean of that number over the entire population. Then we can not only do a better comparison between countries with different strategies, we can also get a better understanding of the true impact of the virus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:10:04 2020 No.11931365 >>11930705 >Is it natural selection? Burgers are stupid, and deserve to die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:11:39 2020 No.11931372 >>11931339 Blaming someone for having CF is a shitty thing to do.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:11:45 2020 No.11931373

>>11930924
If Imperial College hadn't shit the bed so hard, not just in this pandemic but also in previous ones, while WHO told us there was no human to human transmission and the US Surgeon General claimed masks were ineffective until the suddenly were effective, I might have some faith in the experts. But they've destroyed their credibility so I have no idea what is their current agenda and have no reason to believe it has my best health interests in mind.
Credibility is important. The technocrats and career ladder climbers destroyed their credibility. If you want to follow them blindly, that's your choice but don't complain or make laws forcing others to follow a pack of known liars.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:12:37 2020 No.11931375

>>11931338
I wear masks. If I can help it I don't wear them but if I'm going into a store or other crowded area I'll wear them, even though their effectiveness is questionable.
It's a sad reality that people exist who are vulnerable from the very beginning, but it is natural, just as death is natural. Its sad that they've died, but I can't be angry. People will get replaced. You can't care about someone who never got the chance to exist in the first place.
From what we've observed about the virus, it seems as though sufficiently healthy individuals aren't experiencing any severe effects. Some inflammation and respiratory damage, but this varies greatly. We should be cautious of the virus (Every virus, in fact).

>GMO guy
The personal insult? I don't trust them, they aren't open source and I don't have faith in the testing these corporations are performing. Imagine genetically modifying a banana to grow to a larger size, and it ultimately ends up successful, but as a side effect the banana has begun to produce cyanide compounds for some unknown reason, or some other currently undocumented chemical for which there exists no detection method. It is not unlikely that side effects such as these have slipped through the (limited) testing and these fruits and vegetables have ended up on the shelves of your local store.
Until we can fully model the growth and proliferation of these plants within a computer simulation, as well as the effects of selective genetic modification, we will be operating in the dark.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:16:42 2020 No.11931395

>>11931347
Are you still getting smallpox vaccines?

>>11931373
A bunch of people lied about some stuff. Those people that lied also said that people shouldn't dump garbage into potable water sources. A lot of other people say to not dump garbage like thst. But because those liars said that we shouldn't dump garbage like that we shouldn't make laws prohibiting the dumping of garbage into potable water sources.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:19:24 2020 No.11931407

>>11931188
shut up retard. it is point less if you dont have symptoms, becasueyou cant transmit the illness. stop being retarded
>>11931251
neighter does covid
>>11931199
next time try posting images ontopic
>>11931192
You saying something is obvious isnt an argument.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:21:35 2020 No.11931415 >>11930705 Why can't you just stop rioting and looting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:22:19 2020 No.11931419 >>11931372 I’m not blaming them. You’re blaming everyone else because your friend has a disability.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:23:09 2020 No.11931422

>>11930795
You are right, but only the U.S. and Chile (and maybe brazil) have had that shape of curve. That change in tendency signals something happened. There is no single thing one could possibly blame but certainly there has been changes in overall mobilization. The funny thing is the facemask probably has little to do with it and it is what everyone freaks about. Most important thing is staying quarantined if you can. At any social gathering any little fuck up can transmit the virus and people even cautious ones fuck up a lot even if they don't admit it. I.e. it is absolutely retarded to say any of the massive social gatherings that have ocurres in different states was done with "proper preacaution".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:25:26 2020 No.11931433 >>11931095 Texas is one of the youngest in terms of median age, and it's also experiencing a significant spike in deaths.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:25:32 2020 No.11931434

>>11931419
Everyone should have some degree of an obligation to maintain someone else's health, as everyone resides in a society that is the result of effort from everyone, but ultimately everyone is responsible for their own health.
Immuno-compromised people should be aware of their condition and implement the necessary measures to maintain their life. Most people will act to accommodate them, but don't count on everyone's effort, its voluntary.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:26:00 2020 No.11931438 File: 29 KB, 332x346, 42920105108-COVID19vsSpanishFlu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11931197 >is just a flue the last flu killed 50 million people

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:27:54 2020 No.11931445

>>11930963
>If that's the case then we're stuck with this virus no matter what we do, and therefore the lockdowns were completely pointless.
It seems pretty clear they're banking on a vaccine at this point, and there's several vaccines that do appear to work, at least in the short term. If they're not long lasting, then I'm guessing booster shots will be the answer. It's not a solution I'm thrilled with. I'm not anti-vaccination, but vaccinating the majority of the world with something that's received a very short trial period just seems like an invitation for trouble.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:30:03 2020 No.11931452 I never got a response. :(

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:30:33 2020 No.11931455

>>11931375
Again, by your metric Stephen Hawking should have been co-signed to death the moment he grew weak. We are seeing long term damage in patients exposed to it. That is worrying, what is more worrying is that if it creates a second wave of infections and all those damaged people from the first wave are suddenly "at risk" categories.

If you are that worried you shouldn't eat potatoes or cucumbers. Or quite a few cultivated veggies. We used selective breeding to make a shit load of veggies that, of we breed wrong or just don't select the right cultivars, become literal poison in the field and kill people.

You are comparing that to a hypothetical about a made up banana without knowledge of how genetic modification mechanisms work. Then saying this made up banana is the real danger. When I add in a pathway that inhibits a certain gene, upregulates another, or undergoes a specific enzymatic reaction there are very few substrates that work. Then you can mass spec the crap out of the cell lysates and compare it to the wild type to ensure that you aren't spiking in a bunch of weird unintended small molecules.

When I said GMO guy this is what I meant. I appreciate the caution because it is always needed, but that caution isn't in reasonable areas. Monsanto literally used GMO activists to make it almost impossible for any other company or entity to get GMO plants approved by the FDA by making it so expensive only Monsanto can afford it and and run the nessicery redundant tests. We don't need a full computer simulation of a plants growth to test what a modification will do. That is like the most basic technique in biology, introduce a mutation/modification, quantify effect. Why does everyone seem to think we are still irradiating fields of corn to see if it makes them bigger? A genetic modification is infinitely more precise then even the most rigorous breeding regamine and yet I can breed poison potatoes and it's perfectly fine. Thats my autism about gmos

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:33:17 2020 No.11931465

>>11931375
>I wear masks. If I can help it I don't wear them but if I'm going into a store or other crowded area I'll wear them, even though their effectiveness is questionable.
Smart. I get that people don't want to wear masks for 8 hours a day, I've had to start doing that for work and it sucks, but wearing one for 30-60 minutes in a crowded store is a very minor inconvenience, and I can't understand why some people get so angry about doing it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:36:18 2020 No.11931472

>>11931465
>>11931375
Oh yeah I should have aknowledged that. I appreciate you being willing to wear your mask in public places.
>>11931434
You are right. I'm allowed to be annoyed about people being so callous. It takes a lot of effort to keep people safe and they do it because if they don't they die. But every asshole at a store yelling about their right to not wear a mask in public just makes it that much harder and stressful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:40:59 2020 No.11931490 >>11930705 The age of amerimutts is over. The time of Euros has begun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:14:20 2020 No.11931587 >>11931438 last flu was this spring and it didn't kill 50 million people

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 21:49:12 2020 No.11932253 File: 422 KB, 3438x1800, deaths_lag_sweden_2020-07-23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930760 >sweden is not even close this is after no lock downs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 21:52:54 2020 No.11932264 >>11931103 You're a really stupid fuck, apparently. That's not really surprising from a screeching hysterical #stayathome faggot. The whole point of vaccines is to obtain herd immunity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 21:56:37 2020 No.11932274 >>11932264 no the whole point of vaccines in the modern world is to make money.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 21:56:47 2020 No.11932276 File: 96 KB, 720x303, brainlet shapes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930943 >what are sperm

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 21:58:30 2020 No.11932285 >>11932253 That's not herd immunity. You need around a 75% community antibody rate, and their antibody tests are averaging 14.5% positive. A large chunk of their vulnerable population is already dead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 22:03:15 2020 No.11932296 Vaccines are perfectly fine. They work and are effective at what they do. Current government administration is what I have a problem with. No way I'm trusting these fuckers with the overwhelming amount of shady shit its pulled in the past and present.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 22:05:15 2020 No.11932300

>>11932285
Sweden never really had a lockdown and just let the virus spread in hopes of obtaining herd immunity. Now the new cases are dropping and deaths are near zero. The people who died from the disease were almost dead anyway. Most of this is just bullshit.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 22:11:58 2020 No.11932309

>>11932300
>Now the new cases are dropping
But that can't be due to herd immunity unless the antibody tests are underestimating the number of previously infected by a factor of five. It's likely still spreading, but among younger people who aren't bothering to get tested (Sweden's 10% positive test rate suggests they're under testing). Those infected early on are going to be vulnerable to re-infection soon, if not already. They're never going to reach herd immunity.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 00:19:24 2020 No.11932517
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>>11932309
Sweden is a pariah state these days, all its neighbors forbid them from entering
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&location=Denmark&location=Finland&location=Norway&location=Sweden

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 00:23:49 2020 No.11932529 >>11931455 Nothing would be lost to humanity in the long run had Hawking never existed or died young. Just because you are susceptible to personality cults doesn't make him into a god.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 01:48:46 2020 No.11932688 >>11930795 Despite representing only 8% of the population the US has 25% of the Coronavirus cases.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 01:53:43 2020 No.11932696 >>11932529 bs, Hawking was an excellent scientist https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/14/stephen-hawking-obituary

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 01:58:32 2020 No.11932706 >>11930745 The moment medical professionals chose to tell the public bald-faced lies about the effectiveness of masks in an effort to discourage a run on high-end PPE gear they lost any expectation of public trust.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:00:07 2020 No.11932708 >>11931490 >The time of Euros has begun. Not even in your wildest dreams.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:01:06 2020 No.11932711 >>11930705 BCUZ FUK DA GUBMINT MUH GUNZ

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:20:21 2020 No.11932738

>>11930705
If you want to know the single biggest thing driving the spike in the US, it's Blacks and Hispanics.

>Age-adjusted Covid cases per 100K
>White - 230
>Black - 620
>Hispanic - 730

>Age-adjusted Covid hospitalization per 100K
>White - 40.1
>Black - 178.1
>Hispanic - 160.7

>Age-adjusted Covid deaths per 100K
>White - 20
>Black - 72
>Hispanic - 50

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:26:21 2020 No.11932746 >>11932738 that's just because they do more of the jobs you can't fake by sitting at home fiddling with a laptop

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:31:41 2020 No.11932755

>>11932746
Blacks? No, hispanics and whites do most of the blue collar labor in America. A huge number of blacks are unemployed and/or work in the service industry anon. They aren't filling the factories, steel mills, coal mines, and fields of America by any means. Hispanics definitely do but not african americans. The reason for the disparity in infections is due to the abysmal health of the average black american.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:44:09 2020 No.11932787 File: 5 KB, 251x240, 1326504610415.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11932746 >Blacks >jobs

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 03:28:29 2020 No.11932873 >>11930705 America is a uniquely dumb country. Every developed nation has enclaves of retards but America elevates them to positions of power.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 03:56:45 2020 No.11932941

>>11931332
>Last statistics I saw was 95% of cases are completely mild
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that no permanent organ damage occurs. Even in mild cases it happens. Look it up.
>I’ve read talks of long term lung effects
That's only one effect. Common ones are
>strokes
>blood clots
>heart inflammation
>heart attacks
>lung embolism
>brain inflammation
>epithelial cell damage
>nerve damage
I don't get how people haven't heard of it still. I indirectly know 3 cases with long-term damage. One 29yo teacher (regular marathon runner) who can barely walk 300m, one 40yo athlete sports teacher, wo has trouble with stairs still after 3 months, one dentist 45yo who developed dementia.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 04:17:21 2020 No.11932970

>>11930705
I wish I was joking but it is literally because of MUH FREEDOM! People in America have no interest in doing what is best for the common good, especially when it means they might have to sacrifice extremely minimal freedoms. If you wear a mask it either protects people or it does nothing but slightly inconvenience you. If you do not wear a mask you might be harming yourself or others but that possibility is not important as your "constitutional" right to be a fucking selfish asshole.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 04:22:11 2020 No.11932976

>>11931197
Apart from us knowing fuck all about how COVID works, including how it spreads and what its long terms effects are? Apart from us not having a vaccine for COVID? Apart from COVID being more contagious? Apart from COVID killing young people with no commodities?

Yeah, no, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 04:51:43 2020 No.11933023 >>11930795 US is not a leader in testing rates, nor is there any reason to believe that it is using more precise testing methods than anyone else. Death trends follow this graph as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 04:53:39 2020 No.11933026 >>11931407 Back to /pol/ you worthless existence.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 04:55:48 2020 No.11933031

>>11932755
>A huge number of blacks are unemployed
It was 6 percent before the pandemic hit the US.
>and/or work in the service industry anon.
So jobs that can't be done at home and often require interacting with customers. Not to mention services being the majority of jobs (and the majority of GDP).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 05:54:58 2020 No.11933131 I dont think it's their fault, it is a Chinese bio weapon and so was probably made to target Americans more than anyone else

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 06:03:55 2020 No.11933147 >>11932706 Yeah right. As if you took this seriously in feb, march, april and may.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 06:11:36 2020 No.11933160 >>11933131 schizo

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 07:08:43 2020 No.11933260 >>11933160 You really dont think it's a bio weapon and just a huge coincidence?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 07:37:35 2020 No.11933297 >>11933131 I thought I was on /sci/ and not /x/, my mistake

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 08:21:22 2020 No.11933351 >>11933297 At this point, what's even the difference?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 09:29:34 2020 No.11933476 >>11930705 >wear masks Is this a political thread? I’m a republican so I don’t support it, like abortion!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 09:32:41 2020 No.11933483 >>11930976 No one mentioned eat the bugs in this thread except you Cuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 09:43:30 2020 No.11933505 >>11931160 well im convinced, I'm off now to lick some lepers, may be some time.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 09:53:03 2020 No.11933524

>>11931160
I'm fairly sure experts know more than us, that's why they are experts. For example the CDC is an agency that gets $4b+ in funding with staff who spend their entire careers dedicated to understanding disease and virus transmission and methods to handle outbreaks. I'd be slightly more inclined to trust them than some random angry Florida guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 10:08:59 2020 No.11933554 >>11930705 because wearing a mask restricts their freedumbs

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 12:24:51 2020 No.11933985 >>11930705 >that post-BLM spike >mainstream media tells you that it won't cause a spike >totally ''unrelated'' spike happens anyways Now if I've ever seen a coincidence before...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 12:27:26 2020 No.11933989 >>11933985 No goy it wasn’t the protests. It was the conservatives in areas with low covid patient counts not wearing masks. That’s why California and New York spiked

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 12:27:48 2020 No.11933992 We're not wearing masks in Denmark and Norway, how do Americans manage to spread the China flu so much?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 12:54:27 2020 No.11934072 File: 1.01 MB, 480x358, 1594781852321.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11931270 >yeah fuck my parents and grandparents and everyone else's too I can't be bothered to wear a mask

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 13:04:33 2020 No.11934118

>>11932706
This. It's incredibly disturbing that we've reached the point where people whose literal job descriptions are to help people and inform them about important information they need to know will now justify giving the public bad information for what they perceive as "their own good".

They should have trusted the public to react responsibly to the facts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 13:06:57 2020 No.11934130 >>11932738 Jesus, almost triple the infection rate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 13:12:29 2020 No.11934157 >>11930705 >wear a mask do you mean the surgical masks that have to be replaced every 20-30 minutes or the cloth masks that do nothing at all?

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 13:13:19 2020 No.11934161

>>11933985
The incubation period magically changes as required to blame the source of spikes on anything other than BLM riots. Look at any thread about the subject of masks. They constantly change the incubation period to get the results they want. Masks have become another part of the leftist secular religion, based on faith and dogma, no actual science required.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 14:33:04 2020 No.11934430 >>11933985 It literally wasn't because of the protests even though they didn't help

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:24:18 2020 No.11935830 Is there any evidence that covid19 is man made? I remember seeing some geneticist saying the symptoms of it are so abnormal that it's likely but not really finding anything about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:25:33 2020 No.11935835 Because some people have politicized the virus and want to pretend it's not real. Man that is biting them in the ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:27:48 2020 No.11935844 File: 121 KB, 285x221, Fauci maskless.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Do as I say, not as I do. Ooops! Looks like social distancing and wearing a mask over ones mouth and nose isn't all that important after all.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:41:56 2020 No.11935879

>>11932300
It’s funny how willing Americans are to use a another country as an example despite clearly knowing nothing about it, just cause they think it supports their points. Sweden didn’t have a government mandated lockdown cause it didn’t need to. People actually follow reasonable requests made for their safety unlike the hicks that think if they wear a mask someone will step on their snake or whatever. Businesses did operate on very limited personnel, you’d have 1 waiter for a whole restaurant, they limited capacity and everyone wore masks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:45:17 2020 No.11935887 >>11930705 >40k/day pffft we 80k now. euros just can’t compete

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:48:13 2020 No.11935894

>>11935844
There’s no one around him though except people he’s likely been in close contact enough that a mask wouldn’t have made a difference. People are fucking dumb, it’s not do as I said because I said it, it’s do as I say because reasons. I remember some dumb bitch at zaxby’s giving my group shit cause we weren’t 6 feet apart from each other with no one else in the building. We just spent a hour in the car together, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen that either can’t happen or already did.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:50:21 2020 No.11935901 >>11933260 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:52:31 2020 No.11935905

>>11930721
The problem isn't "freedom" you can argue about freedom that's fine but when people are outright denying that masks work, how do you argue that? I've been on /pol/ for days trying to explain that masks are not Jewish agenda to socially control people's emotion, it's just statistically lowers the chance of spread. They never listen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:56:18 2020 No.11935918 >>11932276 I see, so you have sex for the explicit purposes of recreation? Makes sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:57:32 2020 No.11935923 >>11935844 >unironically believing this you're a moron, please leave /sci/

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:03:10 2020 No.11935939

>>11931043
>this
Went to St. George with my wife's family in May. Visited our family in California in June. Saw my dad in Vegas last week. This week my mom is visiting us in Idaho. Literally no problems. The best part is we drove up to Yellowstone today and the place was fucking packed with Californians, who felt it was okay to travel from their disease ridden hellhole for a vacation, but insisted on wearing masks while walking on sparsely populated outdoor trails.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:08:19 2020 No.11935956 >>11935939 >Visited our family in California in June >we drove up to Yellowstone today >Californians, who felt it was okay to travel from their disease ridden hellhole for a vacation Could you be more contrarian?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:09:16 2020 No.11935958 >>11930943 Anon...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:10:19 2020 No.11935959 >>11931251 That's funny. It must have been my wife's imagination that the hospital she works as a nurse for laid her off because it was literally empty for three months.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:19:43 2020 No.11935991 >>11932696 Academia is totally irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:21:34 2020 No.11935994 >>11933031 You're not counted as unemployed unless you're seeking work.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:28:16 2020 No.11936009

>>11935956
Are you retarded?
1. That's not what contrarian means.
2. I'm from Idaho. I have family in California. I was there over a month ago.
3. I don't care. My point is that they traveled despite the pandemic, but they clearly care and shame people because they were wearing masks outdoors in non crowded areas. It goes to show mask promoters are brainless idiots incapable of reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 00:31:03 2020 No.11936019 >>11935991 >t. incel basementfapper

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 01:18:13 2020 No.11936121 >>11933131 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52775386

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:22:26 2020 No.11936776 HOLY SHIT AMERICA IS WINNING SUCK IT EUROPOORS. AMERICA #1 HOL SHIT

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:26:09 2020 No.11936783

>>11930705
>Why can't people just wear a mask and stay inside as much as possible?

I don’t want to, because that’s super boring.

> Is it natural selection?

Coronavirus is not a serious threat to the average non-old person, and old people have already reproduced or won’t reproduce anyway, so their vulnerability to Covid is 100% irrelevant in Darwinian terms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:27:11 2020 No.11936785 >>11930905 If immunity is impossible, it will go on to kill billions of people no matter what we do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:28:36 2020 No.11936786 Why shouldn't I trust vaccine /x/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:29:17 2020 No.11936787 >>11931103 Vaccines wouldn’t work either if the antibodies don’t last long, unless you develop and dose new vaccines every few months which would be a logistical nightmare

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:31:59 2020 No.11936794 >>11930705 Yes, it means Mutts are subhumans and need to become extinct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:53:14 2020 No.11936827 >believing those numbers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:03:53 2020 No.11936983 >>11934157 >do you mean the surgical masks that have to be replaced every 20-30 minutes or the cloth masks that do nothing at all? Can you find evidence of that being necessary?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:06:55 2020 No.11936992

>>11936783
>Coronavirus is not a serious threat to the average non-old person
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
>even mold cases develop organ damage
>strokes in young people
>heart attacks
>brain and heart inflammation
Epithelial cell damage
Etc etc
Regardless of how severe it was btw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:08:03 2020 No.11936999 >>11936787 Everybody stays at home for three weeks. Everybody who can't do that gets the vaccine. Done.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:27:42 2020 No.11937059

I really dont understand why people are throwing fits about wearing a mask to go to fucking Target. Like what's you're argument? Do you disagree that the virus has the potential to kill thousands? Do you disagree that wearing a mask and keeping some distance will hinder the spread? So you wont wear a mask for a few minutes to potentially save a lives? Get over yourselves you sad little punk bitches.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:30:17 2020 No.11937071

>>11930705
It is natural selection. A house divided cannot stand because when free people are divided they must clash and in the US this was ignited by George Floyd's state-sponsored execution. On the other hand, Europeans are not free and may not even have free-will. If Brussels told them all to castrate themselves they would.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:42:03 2020 No.11937104 >>11937059 THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BREATHE IS OUR FREEDOM. JESUS CREATED US TO BREATHE OXIGEN, PUTTING A MASK MEANS BREATHING POISON WAKE UP SHEELPLE!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:45:34 2020 No.11937113 File: 556 KB, 1080x1071, hydrating.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930705 >Why can't people just wear a mask and stay inside as much as possible? Ask Dr. Fauci. /sci/ will pretend this photo and post don't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:48:07 2020 No.11937117 >>11937113 So do you wear a mask in your home when you're around your family?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 14:14:17 2020 No.11937485 File: 109 KB, 640x640, parachute.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930705 because too many americans are selfish, cruel, and stupid?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 14:18:58 2020 No.11937495 File: 94 KB, 619x436, tokyo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's a mystery why Japan has fewer infections and deaths per capita.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:11:52 2020 No.11937634 >>11931197 >corona is just a flu >masks don't work against the flu This is why Russia and China are going to be ruling over us all within the next few years

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:13:46 2020 No.11937643 >>11931251 >worried about overcrowding >shut down all the overflow hospitals This should have been one of the biggest criteria for reopening. You know cases are going to go up and yet you choose to decrease hospital capacity?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:18:14 2020 No.11937659

>>11937634
Why isn't wearing mask mandatory 100% of the time, flu is active all the time and even if it wasn't the masks would help with all other diseases? Why not mandate helmet use for pedestrians, it would save lives?
To demand mask usage for this particular thing you should be able to answer these questions

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:21:18 2020 No.11937668 >>11937659 >flu is active all the time There's a reason "cold and flu season" isn't year round. I'd have no issue with masks being mandatory in late-autumn and winter. For a respiratory virus to be such an issue during the summer is highly unusual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:26:50 2020 No.11937688 >>11937668 Dying off corona as healthy sub 80 year old is also highly unusual. Any other arguments?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:30:09 2020 No.11937699 There's a difference in not trusting vaccines in general, and not trusting a vaccines that is rushed out as quickly as possible because the first who fakes enough trials to imply a working vaccine will make a shitload of money

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:31:00 2020 No.11937703 >>11937688 You're shifting the argument. This is unlike the flu because the flu is primarily seasonal, so wearing masks year round wouldn't make much sense. If you think helmets would save millions of lives of pedestrians, then produce the statistics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:36:42 2020 No.11937713 >>11937703 If you think wearing masks saves millions of lives against corona then produce the statistics

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:42:37 2020 No.11937728

>>11937713
The rate of death from pneumonia is 10x higher than pedestrian deaths. Pneumonia deaths are in the millions every year (prior to COVID-19). Masks have the potential to make a much larger impact than helmets, which is why I'd be on board with masks becoming a thing during cold and flu season even if SARS-CoV-2 is put behind us. Also, COVID-19 deaths in the USA are now 15x higher than annual pedestrian deaths. If masks reduce deaths by only 10%, you've already exceeded the total number of pedestrian deaths for an entire year. Last, but not least, respiratory infections are a huge burden on the health care system. A simple measure to ease that burden would save a lot of money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:48:15 2020 No.11937742 >>11937728 How about 200% sugar tax instead and mandatory jogging for the population, that would generate revenue and save about gorillion times more lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:49:47 2020 No.11937748 >>11937659 Well, in countries where mask wearing is common--and the average IQ is higher--people do wear masks during flu season. Guess how many annual flu deaths Japan has compared to the US? Americans were dumb before this and they're dumb now.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 15:58:30 2020 No.11937765

>>11937742
Shifting the argument again I see. Americans overeat, and those 400 extra daily calories haven't come primarily from sugar. You'd be taxing the wrong thing. How are you going to enforce exercise, by buying everyone a Fitbit?

You brought up the comparison of helmets, have you abandoned that comparison at this point?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:00:18 2020 No.11937769

>>11937748
>Well, in countries where mask wearing is common--and the average IQ is higher--people do wear masks during flu season. Guess how many annual flu deaths Japan has compared to the US?
That's a good point, and there's no requirement to do so, it's simply considered a courtesy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:01:44 2020 No.11937771 >>11937765 The helmets is a counter to >but muh lives Fat is counter to >but muh many lives Put people in camps to force them to exercise, that's a solution

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:05:45 2020 No.11937778

>>11937771
>The helmets is a counter to
But it's a poor counter, because as I pointed out, the loss of lives isn't comparable.

>Put people in camps to force them to exercise, that's a solution
If you're looking for a debate, you could try to be serious. People are threatening mutiny over masks, they threaten rebellion if someone comes for their guns, but you think forcefully putting them in exercise camps would be accepted?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:08:17 2020 No.11937781

>>11937778
And as I pointed out if the quantity of lives lost matters then start by getting rid of fatties.

>but you think forcefully putting them in exercise camps would be accepted?
I think you think that. The point is that if you accept that forcing masks on people is logical then you must accept putting people to camps is also logical. This is why people resist kikes.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:13:08 2020 No.11937786

>>11937781
>And as I pointed out if the quantity of lives lost matters then start by getting rid of fatties.
Okay, I'm not arguing otherwise, but how do you do that, and in a way that will be accepted and not considered cruel? Based on history, taxation doesn't work.

>The point is that if you accept that forcing masks on people is logical then you must accept putting people to camps is also logical.
I must not accept that because they're not similar. Your comparisons are terrible. One is about essentially an additional piece of clothing, and the other is forced imprisonment. Are you insane?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:19:26 2020 No.11937796

>>11937786
>and in a way that will be accepted and not considered cruel? Based on history, taxation doesn't work.
I don't think you care if it's cruel, I believe you would prefer it if it was cruel

>I must not accept that because they're not similar.
They are logically the same argument. Sacrificing individual freedom for some ambiguous common gain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:22:29 2020 No.11937802 >>11937796 Newcomer here, I just need to say that me putting on a mask to go buy bread is not the same as being put into a calisthenics concentration camp.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:26:05 2020 No.11937809

>>11937796
>I don't think you care if it's cruel, I believe you would prefer it if it was cruel
Good grief.

>They are logically the same argument. Sacrificing individual freedom for some ambiguous common gain.
The degrees of freedom are not similar. You're basically saying that having to wear clothing in public is logically the same as being locked up in prison, because both involve a loss of personal freedom. That's insane. And the common gain isn't ambiguous at all.

I'm not against slimming people down. Find the most logical way to do that, and it doesn't involve taxation or forced participation in exercise camps.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:27:11 2020 No.11937811

>>11937802
It is if you are forced to do so.

First it's masks, then it's vaccines, then it's castration, then it's work camps. It's the kike cycle

>>11937809
>The degrees of freedom are not similar
Just because you say they aren't doesn't mean they aren't

>I'm not against slimming people down.
This is precisely the problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:29:33 2020 No.11937814 >>11937811 >It is if you are forced to do so. But you're already forced to wear clothing in public, so you feel you're being punished equivalently to someone who's in prison? Why aren't you protesting clothing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:32:12 2020 No.11937821 >>11937814 Because i'm fighting against removal of further rights instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:33:46 2020 No.11937825 >>11937821 Do you feel, by being forced to wear clothing, that you're being punished equally to someone who's forced to live their life out in prison?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:36:15 2020 No.11937834 >>11930705 It's completely pointless unless we get full China and stop everything for half a year. Yes, we can keep the rates low, but they would basically mean we won't see the end of restrictions in our lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:36:25 2020 No.11937835 >>11937802 The jews putting on yellow stars wasn't the same as getting onto trains

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:37:18 2020 No.11937838 >>11930705 It's completely pointless unless we go full China and stop everything for half a year. Yes, we can keep the rates low, but they would basically mean we won't see the end of restrictions in our lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:39:19 2020 No.11937843 >>11937825 I don't know why you are trying to pilpul out of this, freedom won't be compromised for security and the day of the nose is near.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:43:19 2020 No.11937848

>>11937843
The answer is obvious, the loss of freedom in the two examples is not the same (no one would honestly say that having to wear pants is worse than languishing in prison), which proves that not all personal freedoms are equal. Your entire argument is built on a faulty foundation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:49:38 2020 No.11937861 >>11937848 What's obvious is that masks won't become mandatory no matter how much the jews want it to happen

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:53:38 2020 No.11937869

>>11937861
>What's obvious is that masks won't become mandatory no matter how much the jews want it to happen
They already are mandatory in many places, which is why there's idiots protesting over them. It's too bad it even had to be made mandatory instead of the majority being selfless enough to wear one without being forced to (as in Japan).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:10:28 2020 No.11937910 >>11931048 >not getting yourself and your family members infected >bootlicking I hope you're just trolling. Badly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:11:36 2020 No.11937915 >>11935905 Why are you even arguing with 14 year old Christian boys who think hating people is personality?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:16:11 2020 No.11937930 >>11930726 You're FREE™®© to infect yourselves and your loved ones and somehow live with yourself after the fact? It's just a piece of cloth for fuck sake, not an RFID implant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:19:08 2020 No.11937940 >>11937802 >Newcomer here, I just need to say that me putting on a mask to go buy bread is not the same as being put into a calisthenics concentration camp. You're being sarcastic here, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:48:14 2020 No.11938005 >>11937811 >It is if you are forced to do so. lol what a a whiny snowflake

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:06:02 2020 No.11938044 >>11938005 >nooooo you can't just defend your freedom Kike

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:45:19 2020 No.11938128 >>11938044 There's no such thing as total freedom when living in a society. If you want to do whatever you want, go live off the grid somewhere. Otherwise, sacrificing some things for the greater good is a part of life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:51:35 2020 No.11938141 >>11938128 >no such thing as total freedom which justifies taking away more freedoms kike

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:56:08 2020 No.11938153

>>11938141
Unless you believe you have the right to take whatever you want and murder whomever you choose, then you agree that there's no such thing as total freedom. If you don't agree, then you deserve to be in a mental institution. I'm leaning toward the latter anyway, no rational person would equate wearing a mask to castration and internment camps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:59:00 2020 No.11938157 >>11938153 post nose

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:23:34 2020 No.11938204

>>11938128
Different parts of society have different needs. The problem is when urban society tries to force its needs onto rural society. This virus only exists because of high population density areas incubating it and then spreading it around. Without these urban incubators, the infection rate never would have been large enough for it to spread very far. New York and other dense cities didn't even bother shutting down their subways because they didn't want to be inconvenienced. But they're fine with inconveniencing everyone else and then acting haughty in their lectures on wearing masks.
Want the virus to go away? Adopt a rural lifestyle. Want it to keep going? Keep imposing urbanite lifestyles on everyone.
Shut down the subways or shut up your tissue covered mouth. You're really fond of taking away everyone else's freedom so you can continue to act irresponsibly with your freedom to not social distance and not use proper hygiene. The only thing more satisfying than seeing urbanites die from their disease of population density is watching them get beat up by their antifa and BLM allies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:27:16 2020 No.11938211 >>11938204 >Want the virus to go away? Adopt a rural lifestyle. Not enough land for that to happen, lad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:50:56 2020 No.11938265 >>11930905 false equivalence

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:53:23 2020 No.11939447

my current understanding is that immunity gained from getting and beating the virus fades away over a relativly short amount of time, also as far as i know there are now two variants and immunity from one doesnt necesseraly giv you immunity from the other

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:57:23 2020 No.11939456 >>11930705 >and stay inside as much as possible? Will you pay my rent? Sure i will stay inside

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 07:11:28 2020 No.11939473 >>11938157 post snowflake

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 07:58:28 2020 No.11939510

Id just like to say that I love the USA for what theyve done with coronavirus, ive got a few big bets against the stock market and it is through the amazing hubristic stupidity of that country that Im about to make a lot of money, its just perfect.

In crisis, opportunity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:29:10 2020 No.11940404 >>11930705 I don't know why people think Americans aren't wearing masks I feel like I haven't seen another person's face in 2 months.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:46:09 2020 No.11940429 >>11930705 Ahem FUCK CHINA FUCK CCP ESPECIALLY Those fuckers thought it would be funny to not contain the CCP virus

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:03:46 2020 No.11940470 >>11940429 If we just marketed “China is asshoe” face masks better, we could get everyone on board with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:10:17 2020 No.11940486 >>11930705 Why can't people stay home instead of protesting? The mask thing wouldn't be as big an issue if the nogs would just stay home.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:19:09 2020 No.11940501 >>11937495 Japan is also full of considerate, well-meaning Japanese who didn't go into massive month-long riots over sensationalized nonsense

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:57:49 2020 No.11941417

>>11931445
Specially when the world last developed a vaccine for a similar disease (SARs) the second infections caused ADE in trials. And also when ADE from the corona-virus-common-cold-variants is being blamed for some covid deaths.

A second mutated Covid wave could really, really fuck us with a rushed vaccine. There's already some very preliminary research saying Covid even uses personalized ADE to survive(!), meaning it's evolved to take advantage of this(!!!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement#Potential_linkage_between_pathophysiology_of_COVID-19_and_ADE

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