/sfg/ Von Braun edition

[Anonymous No.11929542]

previously >>11924962

[Anonymous No.11929548]

First person to name every rocket wins the internets

[Anonymous No.11929568]

next launch: Progress MS-15 (76P) in ~6 hours from Baikonur

[Anonymous No.11929579]

>>11929501
the tanks collapsed because the top tank was full of liquid nitrogen (about twice as dense as the liquid methane fuel) and the bottom tank was unpressurized
the tanks will be both empty of liquid and pressurized with gas during the reentry and landing sequence
>>11929548
from left to right:
???
V2 (as used by the americans as a post-war sounding rocket)
???
???
Mercury Redstone
Jupiter
??
Atlas Agena
Atlas Mercury
Atlas Centaur
Saturn I - I don't think this ever launched
Saturn I - Apollo
Saturn IB - Apollo
Saturn V - Apollo

[Anonymous No.11929611]

>>11929542
If the 3rd Reich still existed, how far would space and rocketry have come 80 years later?

[Anonymous No.11929633]

>>11929611
Not a lot.
Daily reminder that they had two separate teams working on nuclear reactors that didn't talk to each other.
In their document it was discovered that they both came to the conclusion that they lacked material,which if they got together they would have had a reactor.
They didnt.

[Anonymous No.11929655]

>>11929542
>the fucking hole in the ceiling
BASED saturn v

[Anonymous No.11929657]

>>11929655
I want to see the current lineup of launchers lined up next to it
Falcon 9 is fairly tall itself, if I remember

[Anonymous No.11929667]

>>11929657
Falcon is tall.

[Anonymous No.11929682]

>Even the liberal space fans on twitter talk about Big Jim and want him to stay at NASA if Biden wins
How the fuck did Jim garner such support? The man is a legend and has done so well at NASA

[Anonymous No.11929687]

>>11929682
it's his size

[Anonymous No.11929697]

>>11929579
>>11929542
the first one is the MGM-31 Pershing apparently

[Anonymous No.11929698]

>>11929657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ380rPYE4Q

Spacelet here.. Do you guys really think this huge ass stainless steel thing will succeed pretty quickly, or will we see many fail/blow up till they finally get it right after 10 years of development? Will spacex even be able to afford all these costs of development in the unlikely case starlink doesnt pay for it? I want to believe

[Anonymous No.11929701]

>>11929698
yeah, they can afford it
I'm expecting an orbital attempt before second quarter 2021

[Anonymous No.11929710]

>>11929542
>>11929548
here we go again, just did some more research
MGM-31 Pershing missile
V2 (as used by the americans as a post-war sounding rocket)
Redstone rocket
Jupiter C (Juno I) it launched the first american satellites
Mercury Redstone
Jupiter IRBM
Jupiter launch vehicle (Juno II)
Atlas Agena
Atlas Mercury
Atlas Centaur
Saturn I - I don't think this ever launched
Saturn I - Apollo
Saturn IB - Apollo
Saturn V - Apollo

that's all of them
I win the internets

[Anonymous No.11929716]

>>11929710
nice work Anon

[Anonymous No.11929721]

>>11929611
>>11929633
you know how WW2 was the war that showed the world the importance of the aircraft carrier as the centerpiece of a modern navy, and how the Germans had like one half-assed attempt to build one before they decisively lost? would have been like that

[Anonymous No.11929728]

>>11929716
Jupiter C is a derivative of the redstone rockets
the Saturn I with the weird skinny bit on top that isn't an Apollo capsule did launch more than a couple of times actually
launches 1-4 of the Saturn 1 didn't even have real upper stages
only launch 4 even had a fake upper stage
launch 5 was the first one with a real upper stage and it went all the way to orbit
the rest of the launches were boilerplate apollo capsules, a real apollo capsule never launched until the Saturn IB

[Anonymous No.11929734]

>>11929542
it was Able Silverstein who led the effort to get hydrolox upper stages on Atlas and Saturn, and without that the moon landing wouldn't have worked

landing on the moon literally required teaming up a Nazi and a Jew

[Anonymous No.11929737]

>>11929721
To be fair to the Kriegsmarine, the whole idea of a carrier was completely useless for the position they themselves in.

[Anonymous No.11929744]

>>11929734
man, that must have been awkward

[Anonymous No.11929750]

>>11929734
>hydromeme is a jewish trick
sweet lord

[Anonymous No.11929785]

>>11929542
I'm verry satisfied, verry. now, about the lube, how many gallons can you provide?

[Anonymous No.11929793]

>>11929785
>"Ja, janitor? I need you to install another new hole in mein roof"
>"Ja, for mein raging erection"

[Anonymous No.11929873]

TYC 8998-760-1 w/ 2 gas giants. Colorized.

[Anonymous No.11929879]

>>11929873
Are the 6 other dots not important? I don’t understand the point of astronomy desu it seems pretty gay, and that’s coming from a geologist

[Anonymous No.11929883]

>>11929873
What are the other lights? Other, more distant, stars?

[Anonymous No.11929888]

>>11929873
Wait, since when can we take direct images of planets 300 lightyears away?

[Anonymous No.11929895]

>>11929888
Since 2006.

[Anonymous No.11929910]

>>11929633
[screeches internally]
Why did that situation develop? (Two teams on the same task also not knowing the total material around.)

[Anonymous No.11929911]

>>11929910
>Despite being invented in Japan, many Japanese radar engineers were unaware of the design until very late in the war, partly due to rivalry between the Army and Navy. The Japanese military authorities first became aware of this technology after the Battle of Singapore when they captured the notes of a British radar technician that mentioned "yagi antenna". Japanese intelligence officers did not even recognise that Yagi was a Japanese name in this context. When questioned, the technician said it was an antenna named after a Japanese professor.[16][N 1]
it happens bro

[Anonymous No.11929917]

Can someone tell me what the fuck Virgin actually does in the space industry? Are they the biggest meme going around? Branson talks a lot but I've yet to see much from them
t.noob learning about space

[Anonymous No.11929921]

>>11929917
design a plane with a literal self destruct lever
other than that not much

[Anonymous No.11929935]

>>11929698
Explosions are cheaper than most people realize, compare ~$500k in labour and materials to having a staff of 20 engineers fucking around for a year with no idea if their design will actually work.
I hope BFRs stop exploding by mid next year but it isn't a huge expense if they don't.

[Anonymous No.11929940]

>The report's details of the final moments of the flight reveal that the feather system was unlocked as SS2 accelerated under rocket power through Mach 0.92 at 10.07:28, 9 seconds after release from the WhiteKnightTwo (WK2) carrier aircraft and 14 seconds before the vehicle would have reached Mach 1.4, the minimum speed at which the tail was designed to be unlocked. Telemetry, in-cockpit video and audio data confirmed that co-pilot Michael Alsbury announced "unlocking" as Mach 0.92 was passed and vehicle breakup occurred within the next 4 seconds. The feathering device, conceived by Scaled Composites designer Burt Rutan, is deployed after reaching maximum altitude, increasing drag and slowing descent as a carefree and stable reentry method for recovery of SpaceShipOne. The system operates by rotating the vehicle's twin tail booms upward about the trailing edge of the wing by around 65 degrees; following reentry, the actuators rotate the booms down into the flush position for approach and landing.[37] Aerodynamic forces when accelerating through the transonic moments of the flight, above Mach 0.85 and below Mach 1.34, push upwards on the tail; releasing the locks before the vehicle passes these speeds means that a pair of actuators were the only things keeping the tail in place against these powerful forces, which had unintentionally been sufficient on earlier test flights.[38]

>Investigators said the developer of the spacecraft failed to include systems to protect against human error, believing that highly trained test pilots were simply incapable of making a wrong move,[39]

lol

[Anonymous No.11929957]

>Had a dream that James Webb exploded on launch
Whew

[Anonymous No.11929958]

>>11929957
>dream

[Anonymous No.11929963]

>According to the article, the official said that nagging vibrations were "very distressing to pilots because they simply couldn't read their instruments"; Virgin Galactic denies this claim.

[Anonymous No.11929967]

>>11929698
>or will we see many fail/blow up till they finally get it right
Yes. Pretty certain.
>after 10 years of development?
No.
You don't understand. They are gearing up to shit out prototypes nonstop the next few years.

[Anonymous No.11929987]

>>11929957
A-Anon...

[Anonymous No.11930005]

>>11929957
That would be mildly funny considering the programm started in the `90s and still hasn't taken a single fucking image of a star.
Yet costed more than servicing Hubble from a Dragon capsule.

[Anonymous No.11930028]

starship ready so we can just yeet up some telescopes 10x the size of JWST for lunch money when?

[Anonymous No.11930041]

>>11929940
If anyone wants the dramatized version it's Episode 6 in here:
https://mega.nz/folder/SfQyFICR#DBL2-CnOQzXzm6kwZjkUiQ
Rest of the show(19/20 seasons) plus some other stuff if anyone cares.
https://pastebin.com/NjeZtDKy

[Anonymous No.11930045]

>tfw going to have to wait 20 years after starship is done for NASA to actually build a new telescope to launch on it

[Anonymous No.11930052]

>>11930045
SpaceX will construct it themselves at this point.

[Anonymous No.11930053]

>run out of dV to return to Kerbin by a slim margin due to an earlier navigational fuckup (had landed on Mun and Minmus in the same mission)
>attach a tug when it gets closest to Kerbin, tug has barely any dV left also
>starving kerbals, have to return quickly, barely manage to make a quick enough approach by using RCS thrusters for a tiny bit of extra dV
>the weird re-entry angle due to the tug still being attached destroys the parachute even with a shallow entry, fortunately the tug has parachutes for bringing in modules
>ditch heat shields to make sure the weight is low enough for the parachutes
>kerbals literally minutes from starving when they land, but all alive and I get to keep my science and some of the craft
MISSION SUCCESS

>>11930028
The total budget of the JWST is 10B USD, which I imagine the launch only represents a small fraction of.
Until someone other than NASA is capable of and willing to construct top-tier science equipment, these projects will never be cheap.

[Anonymous No.11930055]

.>>11930052
I mean they are first private company to make and send interplanetary probe.

[Anonymous No.11930092]

>>11929879
They're other stars in the background.

[Anonymous No.11930099]

>reading about black star in this thread

Shiet, it sounds awesome. I hope it actually exists and we get to see it on public one day. Worthy successor to the sr-71 if it’s real and I like it better than that sr-72 concept...

[Anonymous No.11930108]

>>11930099
Highly doubt it would still be in service if it ever was in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11930114]

breakthrough enceladus actually being a thing when?

[Anonymous No.11930149]

Apparently there was a "space-based" Russian anti satellite test:
https://twitter.com/lorengrush/status/1286290647549390849

The US has previously accused the satellite involved, Cosmos 2543, of shadowing USA-245 (NROL-65)

[Anonymous No.11930163]

>>11930149
not news
everyone was speculating for months now that the Russians have some kind of satellite interception tech.
like they send a module to attach on existing satellite and shit i forgot what it was called but not to destroy it but to sabotage and send false data.

[Anonymous No.11930167]

>>11930149
Fake news so far. Peterson hasn't published anything.

[Anonymous No.11930177]

Serious question - is Musk classed as an engineer? I think yes but my friend says no because he doesn't have an engineering degree.

[Anonymous No.11930180]

How would one go about doming over a crater? Elongrad wanted a nice, big research wildlife refuge as part of expansion/dickwaving project
Assuming plenty of steel, aerogel and polycarbonate plating are available for cheap production
How would you go building the Biodrome?

[Anonymous No.11930181]

>>11930180
Make it out of steel bars with no glass, call it Thunderdome.

[Anonymous No.11930184]

>>11929698
>>11929967
This makes sense, as Elon's goal is to start producing the models. Elon and his engineers have already done the math for the Starship's properties. The problem now is actually testing builds for the model, literally starting from the ground up.

[Anonymous No.11930196]

>>11930177
Engineer as an externally certified professional? No. Engineer as a shot caller for the overall project and actual producer of engineered objects? Yes.

[Anonymous No.11930202]

>>11930196
>Engineer as a shot caller for the overall project and actual producer of engineered objects?
Doesn't that just make him boss rather than engineer though

[Anonymous No.11930204]

>>11930149
Not really surprising. I'm sure we have the same kind of stuff. Remember DARPA's Phoenix program?

[Anonymous No.11930208]

LOOK AT HIM GO

[Anonymous No.11930230]

>>11930202
He is the Chief Engineer at SpaceX. He claims to be self taught engineering and as wealthy as he was probably had far better tutoring than even Ivy League students. Likely he is a fully trained Engineer at this point especially because he already had a Physics degree. He claims that most of his day to day is engineering for SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11930259]

>>11930230
Hm fair enough. So does SpaceX actually hire self taught engineers then? Following from Musk himself?

[Anonymous No.11930267]

i'll bet you guys 5 tendies there's life on inceladus

[Anonymous No.11930272]

>>11930259
Elon Musk does hire people without a degree, but you need to be able to impress him with something better than the piece of paper you get after 4-6 years of education.

[Anonymous No.11930281]

why the FUCK is there still no fucking mission to enceladus FUCK

[Anonymous No.11930319]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eQuZdIXi5w
s MS-15 Cargo Soyuz launch in like 3 minutes

[Anonymous No.11930326]

>>11930099
>>11930108

Blackstar very likely existed but the best case scenario for it's existence was probably echoing the XB-70 where it successfully completes a flight test program as a glorified testbed after the program was officially cancelled.

I'd bet money that Delta Clipper was intended to be a white-world successor to whatever Blackstar was, and I also wouldn't be surprised if Lockheed and the X-33 were selected for the shuttle successor program due to experience with composites and possible flight test articles that they probably built for blackstar.

If you want to feel better, remember that the most likely reason why Blackstar (or whatever it was actually called) hasn't been declassified, dug out of some hangar at Groom Lake, and sent to Wright-Pat or the Smithsonian where it belongs, is because the technologies and capabilities that it demonstrated were very likely the basis for successor systems that are probably still operational.

Also, I don't think that the SR-71 was actually ever officially replaced, but I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason why the A-12 was retired in 1968 after less than 5 years in service was because it was replaced by something that's still classified to this day.

[Anonymous No.11930327]

>>11930149
> The non-destructive test is similar to past Russian space activities, where Russia satellites eject a smaller object from an on orbit satellite. The most well documented example occurred in 2017, when Russian inspector satellite Cosmos 2519 deployed a sub-satellite named Cosmos 2521.
>“What happened next is the disturbing part,” recounted Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation Chris Ford in April 2020.
>“The sub-satellite (...) launched an additional object into space — Cosmos 2523—at the high relative speed of about 250 km per hour,” he explained. “I don’t want to put too fine a point on it, but Cosmos 2521 demonstrated the ability to position itself near another satellite and to fire a projectile.
https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield-tech/space/2020/07/23/russia-conducted-anti-satellite-test-in-space-says-us-space-command/

250km/hour projectiles? That's kind of slow.

[Anonymous No.11930336]

>>11930327
Remember that in the name of weight savings, most satellites are about as delicate as a balsa wood and tissue paper model airplane.

[Anonymous No.11930339]

>>11930272
Would sending him a video of yourself test-firing your own homebuilt gas generator cycle kerolox engine be enough for an interview?

[Anonymous No.11930340]

Wait why does Russia's broke ass have space weapons but America, which has a whole Space Force, has no space weapons?

[Anonymous No.11930342]

>>11930340
>America, which has a whole Space Force, has no space weapons
we don't know what's on the x37b

[Anonymous No.11930344]

>>11930340
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.11930347]

>>11930327
>deploys subsat which deploys smaller subsat
Orbital matryoshka doll?

[Anonymous No.11930348]

>>11930340
>Russia has space weapons
what are you talking about?

US, Russia, China, and India have demonstrated anti-satellite missiles, but I'm not sure that counts.

[Anonymous No.11930349]

>>11930344
This. They're almost certainly trying to match capabilities that we already have.

[Anonymous No.11930352]

what happens to the Mars colony when we kesler syndrome Earth into a baby cage? Do they just die or is there really truly a way to make a Mars colony self-sustaining?

[Anonymous No.11930357]

>>11930352
just take like 10 tons off starship payload capacity for some composite armor layering and don't hang around in low orbit, problems solved

[Anonymous No.11930358]

>>11930267
If there is its probably very basic single celled life, since enceladus is only like a hundred million years old.

[Anonymous No.11930360]

>>11930342
The X-37B is nothing but an unmanned, standalone, USAF-only version of pic related, with a much, much, much longer on-station time for more time-dependent experiments.

[Anonymous No.11930363]

>>11930352
According to Seveneves, all you need is a lot of ice (check) and plenty of vitamins (coming via Starship soon)

[Anonymous No.11930364]

>>11930339
>Would sending him a video of yourself test-firing your own homebuilt gas generator cycle kerolox engine be enough for an interview?

If it works, probably.

[Anonymous No.11930372]

>>11930340
The fact that they're broke is precisely why they're letting their conventional military rot to pieces while focusing what money they do have almost exclusively on strategic-level weapons systems like satellite killers, new ICBMs, and giant second strike nuclear torpedoes. They don't care about being able to fight us or China conventionally, they just want to be able to have a fighting chance in World War III.

[Anonymous No.11930373]

ENCELADUS
WHEN

[Anonymous No.11930374]

>>11930364
Would a ball bearing turbocharger center section be a good starting point for a turbopump? I was thinking that from there you could use a longer shaft and custom gas generator/pump housings made out of lost-wax castings using 3d-printed wax forms.

[Anonymous No.11930377]

>>11930373
A long time from now.

[Anonymous No.11930380]

>>11930374
I'm afraid that I don't really know anything about turbopump engineering.

[Anonymous No.11930382]

>>11930374
Honestly now that I think of it it might honestly be easier to try full-flow staged combustion since you could use two turbochargers and the fuel flow to make it work is just a matter of valving.

[Anonymous No.11930383]

>>11930377
SEND THE PROBE
NOW
SNIFF THOSE GODDAMN PLUMES

[Anonymous No.11930389]

>>11930383
We need to bring back JIMO only this time we build two of them and send one to Jupiter and one to Saturn.

[Anonymous No.11930391]

>>11930383
Too bad for you but a probe would take 5-6 years of development and we probably won't see any robotic exploration of enceladus even starting development til the 2030s, considering dragonfly is the next saturn system mission.

[Anonymous No.11930396]

>>11930177
lot of pioneering engineers didn't have formal training.

[Anonymous No.11930401]

this fuckin jew better goddamn come through with breakthrough enceladus or im gonna fuckin SNAP

[Anonymous No.11930405]

>>11930352
all of sfg gets a job doing this

[Anonymous No.11930407]

>>11930373
>ENCHILADAS NOW

[El Arcón No.11930413]

>>11929542
You'd think he would have put the biggest rocket on the floor instead of making a hole in the ceiling for it fit on the table.

[Anonymous No.11930415]

>>11930413
pussy move

[Anonymous No.11930425]

>>11930401
Why do you care so much about enceladus? It probably only has single cell life at best, considering its age. It also has very very low gravity. Europa is a far superior option, at least for now.

[Anonymous No.11930476]

>Tianwen 1
Irrelevant. Bret Johnsen just caught 2 halves of a payload fairing midair.

[Anonymous No.11930477]

>>11930281
No one cares about encels.

[Anonymous No.11930486]

>>11930326
so here's the thing

you know how NASA has that giant money pit program, SLS, where they pay an assload of money to underperforming contractors and get some shit that doesn't work and is behind schedule?

now imagine you had the same thing except the public isn't allowed to know about it and there's a hundred times as much money in the pot. that's the air force black budget

if Blackstar actually worked, we wouldn't have seen the air force later buying EELV and smallsat launches

on the other hand if blackstar was a giant money shredder in a hangar somewhere, like VentureStar was only even more expensive, we would see exactly what we see now, right?

[Anonymous No.11930490]

>>11930425
Life doesn't have enough extra-Jovian radiative play inside Jupiter's magnetosphere bubble to create complex organisms

[Anonymous No.11930516]

>>11929710
Why no titan tho?

[Anonymous No.11930520]

>>11930516
Not NASA.

[Anonymous No.11930538]

>>11930396
you cant work at spacex/nasa rn without a degree

[Anonymous No.11930549]

>>11930045
given the pace of SpaceX and NASA, JWST will launch on Starship

[Anonymous No.11930585]

>>11930476
The CFO?

[Anonymous No.11930586]

redpill me on fast radio bursts, bros

[Anonymous No.11930600]

>>11930586
I wouldn't worry about those

[Anonymous No.11930601]

>>11930486
>on the other hand if blackstar was a giant money shredder in a hangar somewhere, like VentureStar was only even more expensive, we would see exactly what we see now, right?

Blackstar was never implied to be anything BUT a massive, X-33 tier money shredder, only this time with an SLS-tier budget.

From what I gather though, the USAF black projects have a much better track record of producing flight hardware than NASA pork projects, if only because they're shielded from congressional meddling and are typically under the purview of only a handful of higher ranking USAF/NRO personnel and as such are also shielded from Pentagon Wars-style DOD meddling like the F-35 was.

The proof of this is that the USAF has gone for black project-style project management on the B-21 and they may well go from the 2014 fly-off to IOC within a decade, which is faster than the F-117 or the B-2.

[Anonymous No.11930606]

>>11930586
>redpill me on fast radio bursts, bros

They're consistent with Cherenkov radiation in the interstellar medium.

https://www.sciencealert.com/faster-than-light-speed-in-jets-that-produce-gamma-ray-bursts

[Anonymous No.11930607]

>Given a recent estimate of 4.31 million M for the mass of the Sgr A* black hole and S2's close approach, this makes S2 the fastest known ballistic orbit, reaching speeds exceeding 5,000 km/s (11,000,000 mph, or 160 the speed of light) and acceleration of about 1.5 m/s2 (almost one-sixth of Earth's surface gravity).[15]
Powered slingshots around Sgr A* WHEN?

[Anonymous No.11930611]

>>11930607
160 the speed of light
What kind of a fucked metric is that

[Anonymous No.11930613]

>>11930607
160 the speed of light?

[Anonymous No.11930614]

>>11930611
gotta go fast dude

[Anonymous No.11930616]

>>11930614
Casually breaking the natural laws in ase of a hurry

[Anonymous No.11930618]

>>11930607
>this makes S2 the fastest known ballistic orbit, reaching speeds exceeding 5,000 km/s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-i8HYi1QH0

[Anonymous No.11930622]

>>11930601
Also, my hunch is that Blackstar either failed to reach orbit, or did, but only managed a sub-X-37b-tier payload from a spaceframe that cost more than the space shuttle, launched from an airframe that cost more than the B-2, and probably involved nasty toxic fuel like TEB or hypergolics to do so, and so once the USSR collapsed and the post-Soviet strategic arms reduction treaties took hold, the entire system was sent to some old hangar at Groom or Tonopah to dry rot and give the birds something *particularly* exciting to shit on.

[Anonymous No.11930623]

>>11929793
>eigentlich, for my lack of errection, size and volume

[Anonymous No.11930626]

>>11930616
Black hole-magnet FTL drive when?

[Anonymous No.11930634]

>>11930622
Brainlet but what’s “Blackstar”? First time I’ve heard of it.

[Anonymous No.11930649]

say something nice

[Anonymous No.11930655]

>>11930649
Despite all of its flaws, it had among the coolest launches.

[Anonymous No.11930667]

>>11930649
>If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t have SpaceX
>The Shuttle taught us a lot about the do’s and do not’s of reusability
>The Shuttle allowed us to fix the Hubble
>A lot of special science missions flew on the shuttle that were too complicated for probes, but could not fit in the payload bay of day an Apollo capsule
>The Shuttle gave the US the ability to return spacecraft to Earth for refurbishment
>The Shuttle also taught us how challenging hydrogen can be as a fuel

>The Shuttle was pretty

The Shuttle wasn’t perfect at all but it did a lot that nothing else could do, and if it wasn’t for the Columbia disaster, we wouldn’t have the COTS program, we wouldn’t have SpaceX, and thus no Starship.

In a weird way, we have to thank the deaths of the Columbia crew for giving us SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11930672]

>>11930634
A rumored classified supersonic air-launched TSTO that was supposedly developed by the USAF and likely the NRO in the late 80s and early 90s, consisting of an XB-70-like carrier aircraft and a spaceplane about the size of the ESA Hermes concept that was carried and launched ventrally. Basically, the Orbital Sciences Pegasus concept on steroids and possibly manned.

There was an article on it in Aviation Week in 2005 and for a bit it looked like declassification was imminent, but it's been crickets since.

[Anonymous No.11930681]

>>11930672
Very neat vehicle I just read up on it too.

So...did it happen? It seems like Aviation Weekly went into huge detail but then suddenly said “ Oh wait we’re kidding haha” like someone told them to shut up.

My theory is that they probably built a lot of the components but never quite got them flying. But the data on scramjet sand whatnot is super classified because of the missile applications.

Still maybe it did fly or maybe it was always a paper rocket. Could you imagine if we had this instead of the Shuttle?

[Anonymous No.11930694]

Wanna read something trippy?
I was watching the Progress start today, then switched over to a stream that was scheduled to start in 45 minutes, meanwhile I was playing some Dirt4 and watching the movie Triangle (a groundhogday style flick), that's a 90 minute movie. Half way through I check on the countdown for the stream and it's like 30 minutes. I go out to paint my headers, finding the same chip I removed yesterday, go back in and watch the other half of the movie. Then I remember about the stream, thinking I forgot it. It reads 6 minutes in. I drive a few more stages in Dirt, the stages repeat from earlier on and I have the exactly same crash in the same turn. Straight up dejavu. I remember about the stream again, it's still at 6 minutes.
now while I'm writing this it counted down to 40 seconds. I'm getting mad paras here!
And while searching for a dank image I stumbled upon the same images I deleted yesterday!

[Anonymous No.11930699]

>>11930694
*The ISS docking stream. Sry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_LBlPlw1B8

[Anonymous No.11930708]

>>11930181
But plant and animal life tends to stop living in those conditions. Kind of defeats the purpose

[Anonymous No.11930716]

>>11930708
Its not for grass or plants its for choosing who survives.

[Anonymous No.11930722]

>>11930655
Any in particular?

[Anonymous No.11930729]

>>11930681
Blackstar, if it existed, almost certainly didn't use anything even remotely close to a scramjet, but probably used some sort of exotic rocket technology like borane-boosted hypergolics run through an aerospike engine to maximize ISP while keeping tankage as light and simple as possible, meaning the craft was almost certainly a flying superfund site. If the SoCal shockwaves of the early 90s (that sounded like the shuttle but weren't) are anything to go by, the program almost certainly lead to some sort of flight-capable hardware.

>So...did it happen? It seems like Aviation Weekly went into huge detail but then suddenly said “ Oh wait we’re kidding haha” like someone told them to shut up.

I'd bet money that what you said is more or less how it went down. Typically, someone related to the program tells AWST enough details to make an article, but vague enough not to violate any of their NDAs, and almost certainly doing so because they caught word that it was OK to make the leak. Fast forward to when the article is published, and some higher up flips a shit, and after the men in suits show up at AWST they quietly agree never to pursue the topic again (though they leave the article up so as not to Streisand effect whatever it was written about)

[Anonymous No.11930753]

>>11930672
>>11930681
>>11930729
This may have evolved into Blackstar:

http://www.astronautix.com/x/x-15a-3.html

[Anonymous No.11930754]

>>11930729
Very interesting story. I’m not a /X/ theorist or anything but I do wonder how much secret tech exists behind closed doors.

If anything this situation makes you wonder why the US military isn’t all-in on funding or helping develop Starship... unless they already are and just made it secret. It seems like Starship can do everything “Blackstar” wanted to do.

[Anonymous No.11930772]

>>11930177
Yes he is and he's the lead engineer in SpaceX

[Anonymous No.11930785]

>>11930753
Also, there's this crazy thing:

http://www.astronautix.com/p/pyewacket.html

[Anonymous No.11930803]

>>11930753
Very possibly, yes. Remember that there was a third XB-70 airframe that was around 80% completed that just sort of disappeared without a trace in the mid 60s. There are also murmurs of classified B-52 launched testbeds from the 1970s that built on the X-15 and the 1960s lifting bodies.

[Anonymous No.11930815]

>*has intelligent life in your path*

[Anonymous No.11930825]

>>11930754
Blackstar was almost certainly built around very, very different mission objectives than Starship. Stuff like one-orbit passes of Soviet installations for intelligence-gathering purposes and possibly intercepting/tampering with Soviet satellites, with the two-stage air-launched flight profile designed to maximize access to unusual orbit inclinations while minimizing response times.

Starship has far, far, far more in common with the early, 100% NASA TSTO concepts for the Space Shuttle, before the USAF and the NRO jumped on and required that hypersonic crossrange capability that gave the shuttle it's delta wings and drove the design away from the earlier "whales fucking" shuttle designs and towards the beautiful abortion of a launch profile >>11930649
that we ended up getting.

[Anonymous No.11930827]

>>11930815
Having solid land and a breathable atmosphere really helped us luck out didn’t it.

It’s funny that like most of the places we expect to find life in the solar system aren’t even in the habitable zone.

[Anonymous No.11930850]

>>11930649
Horrifically inefficient but a masterpiece of engineering and every bit as much of a work of kino as anything from the Saturn V era was.

Every space nerd owes it to themselves to visit LA, KSC, or Dulles to see one of them. The shuttle is fucking gigantic in person and seeing one next to an Apollo capsule drives home how absolutely insane it was that we put something that big into orbit, much less that we brought it back in one piece at Mach 20+.

[Anonymous No.11930856]

>>11930722
STS-121 has a high definition recording, but the Shuttle launches in general are cool except for STS-51-L and STS-107 for obvious reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc

[Anonymous No.11930861]

>>11930850
I touched a buran once, does that count?

[Anonymous No.11930863]

>>11930861
Was it a real one or that jet-powered atmospheric testbed?

[Anonymous No.11930865]

>>11929682
They want to protect his smile.

[Anonymous No.11930873]

Misaligned progress. Just like on planet earth.

[Anonymous No.11930876]

>>11930863
You tell me, it's in the Speyer museum now.

[Anonymous No.11930877]

>>11930856
My grandfather was a machinist in the Air Force during Korea, and when he got out he got to work on some secret government shit. One of his assignments turned out to be building parts of the frame for “OV-99” during its refit. Turns out that he built parts for challenger during 1980-1983.

Anyhow he got sick with cancer in 1985 and died January 16, 1986. His funeral was held January 28,1986. My dad was there.

During the funeral they decided to have a memorial to him by watching the launch of Challenger, which ironically he made parts for. Well we all know what happened during that launch.

A lot of the family jokes that Challenger couldn’t keep on living without him. Sorry to derail the thread I just thought this was interesting. Challeneger’s demise has always fascinated me.

[Anonymous No.11930882]

>>11930877
This is dark!

[Anonymous No.11930883]

>>11930876
That's the testbed, the Buran equivalent of the Shuttle Enterprise. The only truly real one left is rotting in Baikonur.

[Anonymous No.11930891]

>>11930882
Oh fi!

[Anonymous No.11930927]

Whydid he delete the super depressing Challenrger post lol? Are we now tainted and shit?

[Anonymous No.11930934]

>>11930927
Probably realized it's not his blog and that it was a bit too much personal information or something.

[Anonymous No.11930948]

>>11930927
Liberate tut emet sls

[Anonymous No.11930970]

Tom Cruise will ride a Dragon to space

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/universal-circling-tom-cruise-doug-liman-film-to-shoot-in-space-exclusive-1234713658/

[Anonymous No.11930973]

>>11930927

>>11930934
Is right. I didn’t want to post off-topic stuff ITT.

[Anonymous No.11930984]

>>11930970
What the hell kind of a movie could it be lmao. A documentary?

[Anonymous No.11930990]

>>11930984
Mission: Impossible - Space Force

[Anonymous No.11930993]

>>11930990
He won’t have a film crew up there with him and there won’t be any special rigs to capture those HD images.

[Anonymous No.11931005]

>>11930993
it's him and his director, and you'd be surprised how small cameras are these days, the big equipment is all just for film. Digital cameras are very compact.

[Anonymous No.11931008]

>>11930993
GoPro cameras are fairly high quality, and one could easily come up with some kind of scene were Ethan Hunt has to go to space and all we see is from helmet mounted camera on his suit, and maybe some extra shots made from CGI and/or models.

[Anonymous No.11931019]

>>11930984
I think it is unlikely that the whole film will be set in space. It is much more likely that there will be some scenes set there and the majority will take place on the ground, somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11931027]

>>11930993
/p/ here:
Full frame mirrorless cameras aren't that large and generaly used for many movies or series.
In addition to that you will only need rather few lenses (1x wide angle prime, 1x normal prime 1x short telephoto prime 1x normal zoom)
That fits in a rather small bag...

[Anonymous No.11931038]

>>11930883
What if they strap that to SLS?

[Anonymous No.11931042]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/A-New-Era-for-Space-Exploration-and-Development-07-23-2020.pdf

[Anonymous No.11931049]

>>11930993
this is a high-end modern cinema camera and you don't even need the tripod in 0g or a lens like that for ISS interior shots

[Anonymous No.11931050]

>>11930407
pic
>>11930413
it's good to be da boss

[Anonymous No.11931052]

>>11930413
I think he was making a not too subtle point.

[Anonymous No.11931053]

>>11931042
>Biden wins
>Artemis is cancelled
>Scott Manley and Tim Dodd defend it
>NASA cancels planetary missions, builds five more climate observatories
>Scott and Tim seethe but remember that Blue Man Good and praise it

[Anonymous No.11931056]

>>11931049
The much smaller Canon EOS R or Sony A7R MK3 or whatever FF mirrorless of your choice is much smaller and they also do 8k RAW.
Also that lens seems like an actualy reasonable choice for the ISS on a FF camera as it covers superwide to short telephoto.

[Anonymous No.11931058]

>>11930948
The Ride never ends!

[Anonymous No.11931059]

>>11931053
>Biden wins
>Artemis is cancelled
>SpaceX sends someone to the moon privately
>everyone wonders why NASA couldn't do it
>Biden is remembered as the president who couldn't bring Americans back to the moon
>taints the reputation of the Democrats as Elon shitposts from the lunar south pole
>the party is forced to be very pro-space in competition with the Republicans to stand a chance of election
Based.

[Anonymous No.11931066]

please senator show us on the doll where the depot touched you

[Anonymous No.11931071]

>>11931059
Honestly this might happen.

So what would Biden want to do with space? Artemis is dead and Mars is too complicated. Will they support an asteroid mission?

[Anonymous No.11931085]

>>11929710
Actually its the Saturn 1 Block 1. Those did launch before they moved onto the block 2 which is the one with the S-IV upper stage and the dummy apollo atop.

[Anonymous No.11931090]

>>11931071
why cancel artemis. You get the be the president calling astronauts on the moon. Everything is basically built already.

[Anonymous No.11931094]

>>11931071
>So what would Biden want to do with space? Artemis is dead and Mars is too complicated. Will they support an asteroid mission?
Depends on how popular the asteroid mission was among the Democrats during the Obama administration. I think it was only done during that time because Obama didn't like either moon nor Mars missions. So, whatever mission replaces Artemis would depend on Biden's opinion of the available destinations.

[Anonymous No.11931099]

Wait, did I miss Progress docking?

[Anonymous No.11931101]

>>11930649
The Shuttle got a lot of good work done in space, from fixing Hubble to building the ISS, but I think the most important thing it did was inspire people. Having such a massive reusable orbiter was a point of national pride, and let people imagine a better future in space that wasn't just featherweight tin cans and expendable rockets forever. It's the first spacecraft that even contemporary scifi media could point to in universe and say "this was a real spaceship by our future standards" rather than the Wright Brothers type treatment that Apollo got.

[Anonymous No.11931102]

>>11931090
Unironically because of the Trump name attached to it. You just know that his name will always be attached to the program.

Also if SpaceX makes it to the Moon with Starship expect Elon to say something about “Thanks trump for blah blah blah”

[Anonymous No.11931121]

>>11931066
Shelby hating depots is a meme because it's actually somewhat rational from his perspective - he wants to keep SLS jobs and investment in Alabama for his constituents, and if propellant depots exist, you can do any mission the SLS can do with smaller, cheaper rockets, so there's no need for SLS. That establishes a certain minimum level of knowledge about rocketry he has, or at least his that his staffers have, which makes it funny.

[Anonymous No.11931122]

>>11931090
It's a long standing tradition of new administration to destroy everything the other one did in it's term.
Trump is actually one of the few madmen who didnt do it.

[Anonymous No.11931128]

>>11931121
>Shelby hating depots is a meme
no?

[Anonymous No.11931129]

>>11931128
The best memes are true.

[Anonymous No.11931135]

Big: SpaceX is raising $1 billion at $44 billion valuation
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/23/spacex-is-raising-up-to-1-billion-at-44-billion-valuation.html

[Anonymous No.11931140]

>>11931135
So it seems like SpaceX no longer has to worry about money?

[Anonymous No.11931150]

>>11928474
>Hey infidel, no touch space rock

[Anonymous No.11931153]

>>11931140
Lmao they never had to worry about money lad

On a side note, what the fuck is space twitter going on about? Pic related.

[Anonymous No.11931161]

apology for poor english

when were you when challenger dies?

i was sat at thiokol office eating bagel when boisjoly ring

‘oring is kill’

‘no’

[Anonymous No.11931165]

>>11931140
it's probably less about money and more about getting investors on board who can pull strings to get shit to happen.

[Anonymous No.11931167]

>>11931153
Progress fucked up its navigation software and almost crashed into the ISS.

[Anonymous No.11931168]

>>11931153
see >>11930873
There was a misalignment on the last 30 to 15 meters on the progress capsule docking that they managed to fix.

[Anonymous No.11931178]

>>11931053
>Biden winds
>Artemis is cancelled
>Americna boogaloo turns warm and slowly escalates
>During the chaos Elon manages to get enough Starships built to send a refugee fleet to space to preserve humanity
>Men and women of the future look down to a broken and burned world they once called home

[Anonymous No.11931180]

>>11931165
like someone with connections to the Cameron County department of transportation so they can just permanently close that fucking road

[Anonymous No.11931189]

>>11931102
>Also if SpaceX makes it to the Moon with Starship expect Elon to say something about “Thanks trump for blah blah blah”
That would be very based if he did that.

[Anonymous No.11931203]

>>11931189
The autistic screeching would be 2017 inauguration level. I love it.

[Anonymous No.11931208]

Could Hellas retain a livable atmospheric pressure?

[Anonymous No.11931213]

>>11931167
How have the russians not experienced another catastrophic failure past the karman line in recent years? If left to their own devices I feel like they would manage to blow up a space station or catch the whole thing on fire a la Mir
>>11931189
I don’t think twitter could handle a redpill of that magnitude. Ted Cruz posted a photo of a tesla with longhorns and Elon liked the photo. People are already losing their minds at that.

[Anonymous No.11931214]

>>11929734
post this on reddit to get 100k karma
title of post: "It took a Nazi and a scientist of Jewish descent (can't use the word jew bcos antisemetic) to get us to the Moon" and link a photo of the two of them standing together.

[Anonymous No.11931216]

did the villager pillager launch today?
did wham bang goodbye chang make orbit?

[Anonymous No.11931239]

>>11930516
not von Braun

[Anonymous No.11931257]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfO7ZC7_wQ
It first time I saw Roscosmos using rocketcams.
Also NASA stream for some reason was shown potato quality 3D model instead of this footage.

[Anonymous No.11931259]

>>11931239
Exactly, why would he display other people's cocks.

[Anonymous No.11931260]

>>11931208
Due to the extreme depth of Hellas Basin, atmospheric pressure at its lowest point is twice as strong as Mars's average, putting it at a whopping 2% percent of Earth's, just barely enough to support liquid water.

[Anonymous No.11931262]

>>11931213
>How have the russians not experienced another catastrophic failure past the karman line in recent years?
Divine favor, maybe? If Soyuz had been grounded at any point between STS-135 and DM-2 we'd have been fucked on the ISS. Human spaceflight might not ever have recovered.

[Anonymous No.11931265]

>>11930970
that's not news, we've known that for a while
he's going to the ISS

[Anonymous No.11931268]

>>11931260
I swear the reading comprehension on /k/ is better than this fucking board

[Anonymous No.11931277]

>>11931085
yes, I figured that out in this post: >>11929728

[Anonymous No.11931280]

>>11931208
maybe you could pump it full of some heavy gas, but it would likely still be very toxic. I'd be interested to see someone do the math, I had no idea it was that deep.

[Anonymous No.11931285]

>Progress almost kills the ISS

When did Russian space industry become so cucked?

Pic related. Angara is actually a pretty cool rocket family but shit flew twice in 2014 and then BAM nothing.

[Anonymous No.11931298]

>>11931285
Angara is a Soviet program, and as such, a lot of the work was done in the Ukraine by Ukrainians
Roscosmos doesn't have access to it.

[Anonymous No.11931304]

LANTR Starship when?

[Anonymous No.11931305]

>>11930667
>>The Shuttle also taught us how challenging hydrogen can be as a fuel
Uh, america had developed, used, and retired several launch vehicle designs that used hydrogen by the time Shuttle was a drawing on a blackboard . . .
If anything Shuttle only managed to teach us that hydrolox can be a performance trap to fall into that makes every other problem harder, if you are trying to force it to fit into a technological niche that it really isn't ideal for, because you're hyper-focused on Isp.

[Anonymous No.11931309]

>>11931304
>Hydrogen
Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.11931312]

>>11931178
>the men and women see a 6-sided rotating space station
>the rothschilds and other high ranking elite jooz managed to survive the shitstorms on earth by whipping blue origin into making a space station even larger than the ISS that could house the israeli military and a capital city full of lawyers, and journos
>An adult Kyle "XÆ-A12" Musk suddenly realizes what his father's one tweet meant
>plans to finally end the long nosed menace that ruined his birthplanet once and for all

[Anonymous No.11931314]

>>11931309
Nevermind, missed NTR part. We're never ever going to see that shit either.

[Anonymous No.11931324]

>>11931312
>SpaceX ZOG war when?

Would China help us?

[Anonymous No.11931327]

>3 hours from launch to docking
Russians are fast

[Anonymous No.11931328]

>>11931280
I doubt you'd ever get it to a breathable state, but the real utility is atmospheric radiation shielding and a density that would allow humans to walk around outside sans pressure suit, with only a breathing mask.

[Anonymous No.11931343]

>>11930729
>run through an aerospike engine to maximize ISP
Aerospikes are less efficient than conventional nozzles, when will this misconception be put to rest? It's not that aerospikes are more efficient at sea level than a sea level bell nozzle, and it's not that they're more efficient in vacuum either.

Aerospikes have exactly ONE attractive quality, here it is; an aerospike engine running in vacuum will be slightly more efficient than a conventional bell nozzle optimized for sea level operating in vacuum. That's it. Also, the difference is not even 10 seconds of Isp, it's extremely minimal.

Aerospikes aren't worth the effort on Earth, no matter what type of vehicle you're trying to develop (anything from expendable TSTO to reusable SSTO, you really are better off using bell nozzles). Now, if you were trying to build a vehicle that could launch from the deeper layers of Venus' atmopshere, or do SSTO from Titan's surface, then the increased ambient pressure at launch would mean a conventional nozzle would have a much lower expansion ratio and thus would remain much less efficient in vacuum compared to a vacuum bell, meaning an aerospike could have enough of a performance gain as it ascended to potentially make an aerospike make sense.

[Anonymous No.11931350]

>>11931327
You *can* launch an F9 that fast up there too, but they don't. "Safety".

[Anonymous No.11931354]

>>11930825
>Starship has far, far, far more in common with the early, 100% NASA TSTO concepts for the Space Shuttle
Those early Shuttle designs were from the point in time when Shuttle was actually meant to work as a cheap reusable launch vehicle for putting massive payloads into orbit dozens of times per year per launcher. It makes sense that they'd resemble Starship, they weren't fucking around (at least not yet).

[Anonymous No.11931362]

>>11930883
I wonder if anyone would get mad if I went in there at night with some IR goggles and collected a few souvenirs in a backpack with the help of a pair of tin snips

[Anonymous No.11931370]

>>11931362
there are a few guards with kalashnikovs

[Anonymous No.11931385]

>>11931140
SpaceX has been profitable for years and never had to worry about money since they landed that NASA contract after the 4th Falcon 1 flight. Anything ever said to the contrary is either FUD posting or straight up lies by the heads of competing launch service providers (trampoline man and that raging ESA guy).

[Anonymous No.11931392]

>>11931312
>Kyle starts training and honing his fighting skills in various ways
>Zero-G Jew-jitsu, 5G Aikido, etc
>becomes so good at fighting, he's legally considered a bioweapon in only 2 years
>conducts an operation to finally take earth back
>leads a small fleet of super experienced martian air force commanders with armed red dragons
>they lock on to the space station
>space station releases armed CST-100s
>massive jousting clusterfuck begins
>so many die
>Kyle manages to get into the docking hangar of the station
>tells his son to stay but leave if shit gets too serious
>enters the nearby capital of the station
>kicks metric tons of ass
>meets Jacob Rothschild
>kicks him in the nose
>while that happened, some red dragon managed to get in and destroy the central transformer of the station's solar core
>station is shaking
>Kyle is just about to get to his son when the hub of the star implodes
>Jacob is there, having absorbed his family and those that jobbed and having become rejuvenated by the blood of the babies in his family
>Kyle swells his muscles
>has literally trained he so much he doesn't need to breathe, let alone be in a pressurized suit to survive in space
>huge DBZ-esque fight begins between the two
>son leaves on father's command
>war is at it's worst
>blows are exchanged
>blood is shed
>capsules are exploding
>this plays
>https://youtu.be/VyRyoAkyh5k
>>11931324
China will come later, but they don't care about the ZOG. They're much stronger than them anyways.

[Anonymous No.11931393]

>>11931161
NASA engineers saw the hot gasses from the booster bypass the O ring at ignition and it was quite pungent indeed.

[Anonymous No.11931399]

>>11931167
Didn’t that happen with Mir at one point?

[Anonymous No.11931412]

>>11931208
It would do what atmospheres do, and spread out across the entire planet, though the density in the basin (and anywhere else at a similar low elevation) would remain higher than anywhere else.

The extreme topography of Mars would actually be a significant issue for any terraformation project to deal with. Ignoring the filling in of the very lowest spots with water, Mars has a ridiculous height difference between its highest and lowest points, as well as between most of the northern and southern hemispheres. If you imagine the Mars datum elevation getting a 1 atmosphere pressure due to terraformation efforts, a large portion of the surface would have unlivable amounts of atmospheric pressure (above 2 atmospheres leading to lots of issues like the formation of thermoclines that trap excess heat and prevent rain from falling), whereas another huge area would have unlivable thin air, not even considering the giant shield volcanoes.

[Anonymous No.11931430]

>>11931304
Ditch the hydrogen and use methane, the density and better materials and higher boiling point save more on mass fraction and thus increase capability to pretty much the same as hydrogen LANTR except for much less cost and difficulty. Also, ditch the nuclear thermal rocket and use a reusable two-stage to orbit system, because nuclear requires too many political hoops to jump through and SSTO is shit unless you've got something with at least 20,000 Isp that can pull at least 12 m/s^2 acceleration with full tanks and cargo, and LANTR does not get you even close.

[Anonymous No.11931444]

>>11931298
Angara was developed by Khrunichev after the collapse of USSR.
Sole reason why it was developed is because Russia wanted heavy launch vehicle produced entirely in Russia and not powered by hypergolics.

[Anonymous No.11931450]

>>11931392
>Kyle has enough, calls upon the once-dead spirits of many /pol/tards
>reels back a punch
>Jacob turns to see his last enemy's fist materialize into a falcon heavy with the screaming faces of David Irving, Ursula Haverbeck, and so many others just behind
>"FALCON PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH"
>jacob rots back into his older self from the hit alone
>flies back into his inert home with so much force it deorbits
>the JDF retreats
>SpaceX won
>Kyle has lost his energy from the fight
>floats to his son
>gives a nod of approval
>texts his son and dies
>it's an approval to take the ruins of Earth back
10 years later
>Earth has been recolonized
>pollution from the third world has been reversed
>Africa's population has been reverted to sustainable levels
>cultures have returned
>proper national diversity has returned
>traditionalist ideas have returned
>Titan is being colonized now
China is now looking to fight, but no serious plans are made
>for now...

[Anonymous No.11931458]

>>11931430
>20,000 s ISP
>12 m/s[math]^2[/math] acceleration with full tanks + cargo
you've really set some high bars, huh
that leaves... an Orion drive?

[Anonymous No.11931464]

>>11931327
*Nearly destroys ISS*

[Anonymous No.11931469]

>>11931399
It did, and this is probably why now mission control not approved switch on manual control even though cosmonauts requested it.
Because it happened when Progress was controlled manually.

[Anonymous No.11931477]

>>11931450
>China launches their first copycat Starship
>First stage cuts off early
>Vehicle crashes into the Three Gorges Dam, floods China
>CCP falls into anarchy within a year, becomes mad max-esque wasteland and swamp.

[Anonymous No.11931480]

>>11931458
nuclear salt water

[Anonymous No.11931486]

>>11931385
also Elon has the meme magic and can raise as much as he wants from the markets; I'll start worrying when he's dead and not before

[Anonymous No.11931644]

>>11930208
Haumea probe when

[Anonymous No.11931653]

>>11931469
Are you a russian anon? Just curious, the grammar seems to be russian.
>>11931486
I like to think I’m not an Elon shill, but god damn... Elon dying before his time in some crazy helicopter accident or something might honestly be the most detrimental thing for space flight

[Anonymous No.11931680]

>>11931140
SpaceX has been profitable for a few years now, as other anons pointed out it is probably more about getting more people on board rather than just money

[Anonymous No.11931685]

>>11931653
Elon dying would be awful but I’d like to believe that SpaceX has enough inertia to survive.

[Anonymous No.11931691]

>>11931469
God imagine being the poor bastard who accidentally kamikaze’d progress into a module.

[Anonymous No.11931702]

so how was the issue today corrected?

[Anonymous No.11931726]

>>11931304
LANTR is only good in tri modal form (LA mode, NTR mode, Brayton cycle electricity generation mode) for vacuum only spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.11931768]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=24&v=ouBfzCgXHgk&feature=emb_logo

cool

[Anonymous No.11931786]

>>11930856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HmanC1POb4
This is the best camera and sound of any Shuttle launch. Too bad it cuts so soon.

[Anonymous No.11931815]

>>11931458
>you've really set some high bars, huh
It's really not me, it's the fact that any less than that and you have an anemic, sub-par launch vehicle compared to the basic chemical reusable TSTO approach. You really do need something bordering on torch drive territory in order to make SSTO launch vehicles make sense, because otherwise you can just slap that same technology onto a reusable TSTO and get way better performance. Once you start getting into the 20,000 Isp range at high thrust however you don't get much benefit from using TSTO vs SSTO because there simply isn't any reason why you need a separate booster. Even if you did use two stages it'd be more like a SSTO booster that places a smaller, fully fueled second stage directly into orbit, the comes back, meaning what you really have is a separate SSTO being carried by a much bigger SSTO.

Don't hold your breath anyway, because 20,000 Isp engines that produce enough thrust to lift vehicles off of the ground and work in vacuum are pretty much impossible to do without major nuclear fallout, and definitely impossible to do without blasting the surrounding kilometer wide bubble of volume with enough gamma rays to kill an exposed human (ie, even a pure aneutronic fusion torch requires a big exclusion zone)

[Anonymous No.11931820]

>>11931768
Better version in 4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S0CTtY8Qa0

[Anonymous No.11931856]

Guys, how to put nuclear reactor in space? Need it for space ship :)

[Anonymous No.11931862]

>>11931653
If Elon died in a freak accident I would unironically consider conspiracy theories

[Anonymous No.11931865]

>>11931856
Use low enriched uranium pellets. BWXT working on it for DRACO funded by DARPA.

[Anonymous No.11931870]

>>11931856
Just launch it, reactors can be very light. Most of the mass in a terrestrial reactor is shielding, and of course they're designed to produce hundreds of megawatts/gigawatts per unit with only a low specific power (power per unit mass) because it lets them load a huge fuel surplus and slow burn it for literal years until a refueling shut.

[Anonymous No.11931900]

>>11931862
>Elon Musk found dead in apparent suicide with two bullets to the head after a recent statement criticizing the Rothschild family

Seriously though do any powerful people have Elon’s back? I’m thinking Trump

[Anonymous No.11931935]

>>11931870
Yeah and now you need fuck huge radiators because you don't have a convenient heatsink.

[Anonymous No.11931949]

>>11931935
>spacecraft looks like it has solar panels
>it's actually radiators
Checkmate Greenpeace

[Anonymous No.11931950]

>>11931856
Molten sodium cooled Fast reactor

[Anonymous No.11931958]

>>11931935
Not if you use a rotating bubble membrane radiator

[Anonymous No.11931961]

>>11931900
Trump, Pence, Bridenstine, and now Gov. Abbott of Texas. I can't think of any shadowy power broker types that like Elon because his whole aim is to destroy the system keeping us on one planet.

[Anonymous No.11931966]

>>11931900
The aliens like him because he means they don't have to step in and help us directly

[Anonymous No.11931990]

>>11931099

Yes, you really need to be on the ball with the Progress spacecraft these days because of the ultra-fast launch to docking method. They time the launch so that it takes the minimum amount of time to reach the ISS.

In this case it took a little over 3 hours.

It is a massive improvement because in the past it could take up to 2 days if not more for Soyuz and Progress capsules to dock with the ISS.

[Anonymous No.11932001]

>>11931935
>Yeah and now you need fuck huge radiators because you don't have a convenient heatsink.
Yeah, I didn't say that you didn't. Once you're far enough form the Sun the total system mass required for a 100 MW electric reactor power supply weighs less than a 100 MW solar array anyway, and long before then the solar arrays grow to the point of impracticality for most things.

[Anonymous No.11932047]

>>11931304
How much would it cost to get a NTR engine? $10 billion a piece?

[Anonymous No.11932054]

[Anonymous No.11932064]

>>11932054
Where were you when the japanese and the texas mexican welders teamed up to leave Earth? All they left was a fusion taco truck

[Anonymous No.11932065]

>>11932054
is that the final height

[Anonymous No.11932073]

>>11929895
Fucking corona graphs, how do they work?

Literally, I don't get it. Is it really the same concept as holding your hand up to a bright light so you can see something small next to it?

[Anonymous No.11932079]

>>11932065
few more stack

[Anonymous No.11932080]

>>11932064
oh no they're taking the fucking taco truck with

[Anonymous No.11932085]

>an african american, Japanese maniac, and a bunch of mexican welders are gonna send people to mars

[Anonymous No.11932092]

>>11932080
>>11932085
The japanese, the mexican welders, and the spacex ninjas are escaping taxation. Only ULA can stop them.

[Anonymous No.11932135]

>>11932092
>Roscosmos fears the samurai

[Anonymous No.11932140]

>>11932092
your ULA is powerless here, Shelby.

[Anonymous No.11932163]

what the kek

[Anonymous No.11932166]

where's the speed, pitch, yaw, roll?

[Anonymous No.11932168]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STOOOOOOOP

[Anonymous No.11932170]

>>11932163
Thrust load bearing skirt between stages. Looks like it ejects from the rest of the rocket with a gas actuator.

[Anonymous No.11932174]

>>11931277
My apologies I did not see that other post as I was writing it.

[Anonymous No.11932175]

>Docked over china again
why do they keep on docking above china

[Anonymous No.11932176]

>>11932166
I see omega-x/y/z/ near the top right. That's probably rotational speed.

[Anonymous No.11932177]

>>11932168
it wasnt that bad, ivan could've done it manually desu but the AI can also still correct it

[Anonymous No.11932184]

>>11932175
To flex on the human zerg

[Anonymous No.11932192]

>>11932168

[Anonymous No.11932212]

>>11932192
Da yankee, it screw in like wodka cap... so we have to give the spin

[Anonymous No.11932222]

>>11932065
Probably gonna be at least an additional section

[Anonymous No.11932232]

>>11932222
Quads confirm

[Anonymous No.11932250]

>>11932085
>Japanese maniac

Who?

[Anonymous No.11932278]

>>11932232
That northern ice cap at winter is huge.

[Anonymous No.11932301]

>>11932250
Yusaku Maezawa. Rich japanese man. He bought an entire flight on a starship to go around the Moon in a few years.

[Anonymous No.11932318]

>>11932278
Amazing that a good chunk of your atmosphere is frozen over in the summer

[Anonymous No.11932321]

>>11932301

From what I've read he only bought an entire flight to the Moon, apparently he isn't going to Mars or helping SpaceX with funding.

[Anonymous No.11932322]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53518238

Russians test fired space weapon (from space, not ground launched). Time for US to finally start launching space weapons?

[Anonymous No.11932326]

>>11930374

Depends on the surface speed of your shaft at the bearing. It can work but if you have a large diameter or more likely high rotational speed, then you run into friction / heat problems. I would bet a small scale rocket would be ok. Alternative would be a journal bearing.

[Anonymous No.11932334]

>>11930970
>$200 million budget for the movie
Not bad. I expected that much alone for the space trip.

[Anonymous No.11932337]

>>11932321
I mean in a way yes but no. You're correct, he bought a flight around the Moon. But he already gave the money to Elon so this helped pay for R&D

[Anonymous No.11932352]

>>11932337

Ah yes, I see.

>>11932322

God I do hope so, I do hope that the Ivans start to do this with a raging boner, that way the americans will respond in the same way and we will be a space-faring civilization in a blink of an eye.

[Anonymous No.11932373]

>>11932326
Turbocharger shafts typically spin at 90,000+ RPM in everyday use since they're used to pump a fluid that's as """dense""" as, well, thin air. They're tough as shit in that regard, especially the ball bearing ones, which tend to be even more durable than the journal bearing ones. I'd be more concerned about heat management than the ability to handle big RPMs.

[Anonymous No.11932378]

>>11932334
cant wait for starship to lower human access to LEO to being affordable to middle class americans in the 2030s

[Anonymous No.11932381]

>>11932278
The southern one gets even bigger, due to higher elevation, greater distance from the Sun during winter, and a longer winter due to the planet moving slower as it goes farther from the Sun on its orbit. Likewise, the summers in the southern hemisphere are shorter than in the northern but even hotter (at least at low elevations like Hellas basin)

[Anonymous No.11932437]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSdl4yheeg
>TIME magazine clip about Space Force
>mentioned the Russian ASAT test
>said it happened on July 15
>had a full animation of it and everything
Is that why they only said anything now? Because of they were waiting for TIME? Would they have said anything if there was no video?

[Anonymous No.11932441]

>>11932373

Like I mentioned earlier, it is the shaft surface speed that matters. The small turbo pumps will use ball bearing since like you said it is easier to use and more forgiving. I believe the Merlin engine uses them. For larger turbomachinary like the raptor engines, you will see journal bearings. They have certain quirks like for startup /shutdown, but if engineered correctly will last basically forever as you have no contacting parts and your lubricating fluid remains clean or at least that has been my experience with turbomachinary at my job

[Anonymous No.11932442]

Tropical storm going to hit south Texas soon. Looks like it will become a hurricane. Hope things will be okay in Boca.

[Anonymous No.11932445]

>>11932442
Yes. Testing is cancelled for this week until storm passes safely.

[Anonymous No.11932446]

>>11932445
Why can't they just proont a seawall?

[Anonymous No.11932447]

>>11932441

I will also add heat management with ball bearings is the limiting factor. Limit is determined by the type of ball bearing used. Here a good resource for it.

https://www.amroll.com/speed-limits.html

[Anonymous No.11932451]

>>11932446
Lmao

[Anonymous No.11932464]

Next launch is in 24 hours. Chinese Long March out of Taiyuan. The payload is a spysat.

[Anonymous No.11932467]

>>11932464
Long March 4B*

[Anonymous No.11932469]

>>11932464
Are the Chinese actually going to establish a permanent colony on the Moon? It would be a win for team chaos

[Anonymous No.11932473]

>>11929542

>that neat arrangement of autistic models
>that cut in the ceiling made specifically to accomodate the Saturn V

Incredibly based. You just know he took them off the shelf regularly to play with them and to illustrate design principles in meetings.

14 positions, let's number them l-r, 1-14. 2 is the V2, 12-14 are the Saturn I, IB and V. I guess 5 has to be Mercury Redstone while 9 has to be Mercury Atlas. I don't think I see Gemini Titan anywhere. Someone please let me know the others.

[Anonymous No.11932475]

>>11932469
I doubt they ever will unless the Americans set one up first, or they can find a way to set theirs up first and prevent others from getting a base. The Chinese have the history of the Soviet Union to learn lessons from, and they learned not to get into space races with America.

[Anonymous No.11932483]

>>11932475
On the contrary. I think they feel snubbed by the US so they feel the need to do things "on their own" and prove to the world the power of the one party system

[Anonymous No.11932498]

>>11932473
Comfy von Braun always puts me at ease, but also makes me sad. He had such vision, he really thought that mankind would push forward into space even beyond Apollo during his lifetime, but in his later years he was around to see the beginning of the decay.
I'm just kind of glad he didn't live to see how bad things got.

[Anonymous No.11932512]

>>11932469
>>11932475
>>11932483
on a quick glance, their frequency of launches outpaces the US, it seems they have a launch of one a week on average

[Anonymous No.11932520]

>>11932512
It seems like the Chinese have way more domestic payloads than the US. They also have way more “medium class” lifters. We have the Falcon 9, but our other vehicles, Atlas V and Delta IV (and I guess Antares) dont mass produce as well.

Falcon 9 is the enemy of the Chinese space program because it stole their business. It will do so forever, until the Chinese build their own version.

On a side note why does ESA partner with China all the time? They have a joint mission coming up. Don’t they know that China is fucking threatening with their espionage.

[Anonymous No.11932523]

Any idea when Perserverance is going to be launched?

[Anonymous No.11932527]

>>11932520
The EU was literally created to oppose the US. It failed on that front and so now its members are either leaving or sucking off the Chinese.

[Anonymous No.11932530]

>>11932523
7:50am Eastern on 7/30.

[Anonymous No.11932532]

>>11932520
dude Europe in general has been scooting closer towards China, with the UK leaning towards us of course (god bless them)

Falcon 9 removed any competitiveness from non-American entities and Starship will advance that edge another decade at least, it's amazing

[Anonymous No.11932539]

Man Starship is really coming in at the perfect time, Russia is practicing in-space weapons and China wants to build bases on the moon and Mars meanwhile SpaceX is about to get a 100x advantage over everyone else when this shit gets operational

[Anonymous No.11932542]

>>11932539
I'd imagine a real fleet of Starship orbiting the earth/moon/mars during WW3

[Anonymous No.11932546]

>>11932542
what kind of warfighting capabilities would Starship have? Orbital bombardment? Destroying satellites?

[Anonymous No.11932547]

>>11932542
>>11932539
What would a space dogfight look like?

Actually what would each nations “space fleet” look like? I’m not talking The Expanse I mean stuff with modern tech.

US would probably have a bunch of Starships hanging around in LEO. China would probably make a knockoff version. I heard Russia wanted to make nuclear space tugs, so maybe an armed version of “Copernicus MTV” from Mars DRM 5

[Anonymous No.11932560]

>>11932547
Russia's economy is smaller than Italy's, so their space fleet would be a cache of anti-sat missiles, with only enough functional hardware to have a tenth of the arsenal ready to launch at any given time.

[Anonymous No.11932568]

>>11932546
>what kind of warfighting capabilities would Starship have?

Pack of asteroids in its bay and flinging them towards Earth government.

[Anonymous No.11932576]

>>11932546
>what kind of warfighting capabilities would Starship have?
250 tons of nuclear bombs in expendable mode. God's own ICBM.

[Anonymous No.11932584]

>>11932547
>What would a space dogfight look like?
No such thing. Instead you'd have orbital jousting essentially, where small fleets or individual ships either intercept the enemy fleet (if they are burning in the same direction) or more likely, race past each other at orbital velocities either trying to disable enemy power/propulsion, and weapon systems with lasers/precision kinetic strikes, or brute force attacking the enemy craft in general with kinetic weapons, likely a mix of both. These engagements would probably start off when the enemy fleets are around 250-500 kilometers from each other, depending on the weapons used. Don't wanna calculate it in my head right now, but the engagements themselves would probably only last around 30-40 seconds, maybe a minute at most. Also, you would see large missile and drone volleys that occur as well to force your enemy to expend delta-v. In regards to where these conflicts would occur, I would expect treaties to be made that cause most battles to occur in lunar orbit, because nobody wants to deal with the crazy amount of debris that would occur from such battles in earth orbit.

[Anonymous No.11932595]

>>11932584
this
t. coade pro

[Anonymous No.11932605]

>>11932595
CoaDE is fun and it gets some of the basics right but CoaDE isn't completely accurate.

[Anonymous No.11932607]

>>11932512
>on a quick glance, their frequency of launches outpaces the US, it seems they have a launch of one a week on average
People say it's because they're still catching up. The Americans and the Russians both had a lot of launches during the 60s-80s. Things settled down as satellites started lasting longer in space.

>>11932469
>Are the Chinese actually going to establish a permanent colony on the Moon?
They mentioned setting up a robotic base at first, starting in this decade. It sounds boring since it's not humans, but I think it's an okay of an idea. It will let them gain experience with a Lunar outpost while at the same time having an area ready for when they finally decide to send people.

[Anonymous No.11932615]

I wonder when the first militarized, crewed Space Force vessels are built and sent to patrol earth and lunar orbit. Mid 2030s? 2040s?

[Anonymous No.11932622]

>>11932547
>What would a space dogfight look like?
It's not dogfighting, but the Space Force is supposedly going to drop a space warfighting doctrine soon so we might get answers from that. The only problem is that all the releases so far have been very vague and limited on information, so we don't get anything interesting.

[Anonymous No.11932643]

>>11932622
its only gonna be satellite warfare until the late 2030s at the earliest, so not particularly interesting

[Anonymous No.11932651]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoHNfxaSLBE
This in real life WHEN?

[Anonymous No.11932655]

>>11932584
Lunar orbit might actually be a decent place because the lumpy gravity would deorbit stuff pretty quickly. Still doubt in space warfare is gonna be a thing for a long while.

[Anonymous No.11932658]

>>11932655
It entirely depends on if SpaceX succeeds with starship, since if they do, moon mining suddenly becomes viable.

[Anonymous No.11932660]

>>11932655
I agree in space warfare probably itself won't happen til the 2060s, but I wouldn't be surprised if the first in space warships start being commissioned in the 2040s.

[Anonymous No.11932665]

>>11932532
>god bless them
would unironically rather become a 51st state or some us protectorate than follow the eu down whatever path it thinks its heading.

[Anonymous No.11932682]

>>11932660
What I want to know is when we get spaceships that are meant to stay in space.

[Anonymous No.11932684]

>>11932682
The only difference between a space station and a permanent spacecraft is delta-V budget.

[Anonymous No.11932690]

>>11932615
>I wonder when the first militarized, crewed Space Force vessels are built and sent to patrol earth and lunar orbit. Mid 2030s? 2040s?
Over the next 10-20 years we may have multiple space stations with people on them along with bases on the Moon and Mars. What happens if the people there need to be rescued? Is NASA going to do it? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I think the Space Force should have a Coast Guard style rescue component to it, where they can quickly get to a location to save people. Yeah it's not the same thing as a warship, but I think we could see something like it before the 2050s, maybe as early as the mid 2030s.

[Anonymous No.11932694]

>>11932665
dude in an ideal world space is colonized by the five eyes nations + japan because they're pretty cool and into space as well. continental afro-eurasians can stay on earth

[Anonymous No.11932695]

>>11932690
>Space Force should have a Coast Guard style rescue component to it
this would be so fucking cool

[Anonymous No.11932737]

>>11932166
Bottom left:
Distance
Speed in meters per second

Top right
Translation
Rotation

Jesus, it's right there even if you don't read cyrillic. I don't.

[Anonymous No.11932789]

>>11932694
I wonder if there would be affirmative action in space? What if all the colonists become mutts? What if someone wants a colony of only Aryans? No one can stop them.

[Anonymous No.11932790]

>>11932695
What would it be called? They wouldn't exactly guard the coast.

[Anonymous No.11932808]

>>11932789
eventually people wont care about your tiny rotating colony with 2000 people in the belt or the outer solar system, but that'll take a while

[Anonymous No.11932809]

>>11932498

A detailed documentary on the Lunar Roving Vehicle, a personal favorite topic of research/discussion, relates an anecdote in which Ferenc Pavilcs drove a miniature motorized car into Von Braun's office, which then proceeded to fold itself up, do all the cute demos, grab attention, establish proof of concept etc. von Braun was the one they had to get past, it seems.

[Anonymous No.11932811]

>>11932789
>I wonder if there would be affirmative action in space?

You must be high if you think this isn't going to happen by default in 2020.


>What if someone wants a colony of only Aryans? No one can stop them.
>No launch permissions granted for nazis

Zog government won't let any real separation happen and will use the space force to enforce diverse liberal democracies.

[Anonymous No.11932826]

>>11932809
Yeah no shit von braun didn't want some shitty toy cars to replace human manifest destiny for half a century.

[Anonymous No.11932830]

>>11932811
>Zog government won't let any real separation happen and will use the space force to enforce diverse liberal democracies.
they can try but eventually it'll be impossible for them

[Anonymous No.11932839]

>>11932830
>eventually

Maybe, at which point everyone will be brown consumerist mutts anyway.

[Anonymous No.11932841]

>>11932839
lol no

[Anonymous No.11932843]

>>11932841
If you say so my dude, take a walk around your local walmart sometime.

[Anonymous No.11932848]

>>11932843
And? The area I live in is over 98% white. Eastern Europe will remain white too. Of course there will be some non-whites on the mars colony, but it'll still probably be around 80% white.

[Anonymous No.11932871]

>>11930363
It's completely impossible to have a self-sufficient, growing colony from the number they were in Seveneves

>>11930327
It may be the point, Russians don't want a Kessler syndrome any more than the US. If your ASAT weapon destroy its target by colliding at orbital velocities, you'll fuck up your own sats too, and everybody will gang on you real fast.

[Anonymous No.11932887]

>>11932848
>The area I live in is over 98% white

I wonder how many people in other places were smug about this same fact even only ten years ago and are now drowning in diversity.

[Anonymous No.11932892]

>non-earth origin vehicles confirmed

Rocketbros....

[Anonymous No.11932894]

>>11932892
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.11932909]

>>11932887
there really isn't any reason people would move into a town of 500 or so people in the middle of nowhere...

[Anonymous No.11932942]

>>11932909
Obama deliberately shipped Somalians by the thousands to small white communities. Only keeping Democrats out of power can stop this.

[Anonymous No.11932999]

>>11932473
read the replies to the OP, I already figured it out
there's no Titan because Titan was an Air Force vehicle, not a NASA vehicle under von Braun

[Anonymous No.11933012]

>>11929744
Not at all.
Von Braun was nazi only formally, he shared nothing of their ideology.

[Anonymous No.11933013]

>>11932790
>They wouldn't exactly guard the coast.
Well I imagine they would coast around in space quite a lot

[Anonymous No.11933144]

When are we doing the 150m hop?

[Anonymous No.11933163]

>>11932464
China numba wan mutts

[Anonymous No.11933229]

>>11933144
2080

[Anonymous No.11933250]

redpill me on ultra-long gamma ray bursts

[Anonymous No.11933256]

>>11931450
>>11931392
>>11931312
holy cringe

[Anonymous No.11933278]

Next MOMO launch is in 13 hours.
Live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_fIBXg0oA

[Anonymous No.11933282]

>>11933278

[Anonymous No.11933296]

>>11933278
>>11933282
Is it gonna do a flip this time too as the plumbing burns itself out?

[Anonymous No.11933374]

>tfw the Starship, Vulcan, New Glenn, Ariane 6, and Maybe SLS will fly next year
>tfw NASA can finally launch whoever they want back into space again
>tfw we're probably gonna have unmanned lunar flyby's next year
>tfw Perseverance and some chinese lander will be on mars next year
2021 is gonna be pretty exciting

[Anonymous No.11933478]

>>11933282
Everybody watch out, it’s about to launch an entire postage stamp into a parking orbit!!!

[Anonymous No.11933553]

What is the appointed date of the prototype gaining and subsequently shedding altitude?

[Anonymous No.11933557]

>>11933374
Half of them will be delayed by several years.

[Anonymous No.11933591]

Harrison Schmitt is going to croak from old age eventually and I’m never going to have the chance to talk to him. Why the fuck is this man so under the radar

[Anonymous No.11933605]

>>11933553
a week from now, forever.

[Anonymous No.11933609]

>>11930850
Just moved to dc, might go see discovery this weekend.

[Anonymous No.11933621]

>>11933553
27th if it doesn't pop during static fire

[Anonymous No.11933753]

>>11933609
Udvar-Hazy center is peak aerospace. Walked in there like a kid in a candy shop.

[Anonymous No.11933756]

Would thrust reversal be a desirable solution in advanced interstellar travel? I'm watching the Expanse right now and on the one side the big engine at one end thing is just beautiful and in extend leads to ships like the CR-90 Corellian. But then always rotating your ship into manoeuvres takes away so many options. Specially for work near other objects, like mining vessels and tugs, where RCS only would be uneconomical or in military applications.
We even have planes with thrust vectoring and right now, so the technology could be there. Another option would be gondolas which can be angled. All considering Linear acceleration based gravity isn't needed, but that would lend itself more to long haulers anyways.
Any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.11933757]

>>11933591
Go to his website and e-mail him or something.

[Anonymous No.11933759]

>>11932694
Australians all imprisoned on Umbriel, the most boring moon in the solar system.

[Anonymous No.11933760]

>>11930850
It's criminal that LA got a shuttle and Houston didn't. I will be salty about this until the end of time.

[Anonymous No.11933765]

Tired of these ULA Weather Machines postponing the Starship hop test.

[Anonymous No.11933769]

who team ULA here?

[Anonymous No.11933776]

So, what the fuck happened to Blue Origin and Bezos? Did they go bankrupt? SpaceX took the entire scene.

[Anonymous No.11933777]

>>11933769
I like them. Just wish they had more ambition.

>>11933776
Engine merchant and oldspace collaborator. Biding their time.

[Anonymous No.11933792]

>>11933753
The gala dinner at the IAC last year was at Udvar-Hazy, with the tables right next to the SR-71 and the bar area in the room with the Shuttle.
It was insane- free reign of the exhibit floor after hours with booze and good food.

[Anonymous No.11933801]

>>11933776
They're actually building tanks and other hardware for New Glenn, it's just that they're really quiet about everything.

[Anonymous No.11933815]

>>11933757
Good idea
>>11933765
Yeah literally a direct hit. We should start charging Africa for damages caused by tropical storms and hurricanes

[Anonymous No.11933824]

>>11933591
I'm gonna assume you're that geologist who posts here.
What you wanna do is invite him to something. If you're still in college or have any connections to one invite him to talk at a university.

Or, like the other guy said, an email couldn't hurt.

[Anonymous No.11933839]

>>11933765
Why haven't we invented a way to disrupt hurricanes yet?

[Anonymous No.11933856]

>>11933839
Lots of people have come up with ideas, but they all require manipulating energy in the environment at massive and impractical scales.

[Anonymous No.11933858]

>>11933839
weather control in general is something we should be investing into. Honestly beating climate change will almost certainly require a substantial amount of geoengineering that nobody seems to be looking into.

[Anonymous No.11933863]

NASA Crew-1 launch @ September 14.

[Anonymous No.11933869]

>>11933792
Seems like the whole world is trying to force me to move to DC.

>>11933839
Too much energy involved. Plus we can barely forecast them 6 days in advance.

[Anonymous No.11933880]

Why haven't we tested disruptions of small cyclones in the middle of the ocean/away from the US? Drop some test bombs to see if they shrink/dissipate/get larger? There's no harm in it. Or is geoengineering still considered god's sacred domain like human experiments?

[Anonymous No.11933884]

>>11933801

So they abandoned space?

>>11933777

It's quite sad that the world's richest man simply gave up on space competition.
I was angry at that bald fuck because he is sitting on the biggest amount of money ever yet he doesnt contribute to science, then I found out he owns Blue Origins, I even saw some videos of him talking about ambitious projects in space, like a rotating colony, but the current state of Blue Origins makes me wonder if he really gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.11933888]

>>11933839
We have, but it we aren't smart enough yet to know everything that could happen from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

[Anonymous No.11933900]

>>11933801
Because they had nothing to show, except New Shepard like Jeff's girlfriend sex toy.

[Anonymous No.11933904]

>>11933884
He's doing it, slowly. He's probably busy with Amazon and it is making him money. He isn't there like Elon to whip the workers into a frenzy. Can't wait for him to dump tens of billions into BO.

>>11933880
Don't wanna get blamed if we fuck it up and have the cyclone hit someone. Anyways most hurricanes hitting the Continental US track over carribean Islands, what kind of bombs would you use?

>>11933871
>>11933888
?

[Anonymous No.11933913]

>>11933904
>Don't wanna get blamed if we fuck it up and have the cyclone hit someone
In the ocean, in the middle of nowhere. We've nuked plenty on oceans. Why not a fucking cyclone?

[Anonymous No.11933922]

>>11933904
>Can't wait for him to dump tens of billions into BO.
He already dumps a billion into that per year, ten billion won't magically make a difference.
The only way to see results is to whip people into a frenzy. That's why Elon has been successful.

[Anonymous No.11933938]

>be the most handsome astronaut
>never get to set foot on the moon

[Anonymous No.11933964]

>>11933913
Not how cyclones work. You don't just vaporize them. They keep moving, often towards land. Not to mention people will just think this weather control program is just a way to test out nukes. There hasn't been an above ground nuke test for decades I'm pretty sure.

>>11933922
I agree, I'm assuming the 10B comes with attention.

[Anonymous No.11933990]

>>11933250
imma firin mah lazors

>>11933756
Thrust reversal is how to avoid carrying the mass of two engines. It will always be the best option for major thrust.

[Anonymous No.11933995]

>>11930970
How is this going to work? Are they sending up a film crew? How much equipment are they sending up? Green screen? Dollies? Where are they going to shoot? The ISS is cramped and cluttered, not optimal for wide pans or long shots.

[Anonymous No.11933999]

>>11933995
probably gonna use it as a base to conduct space walks and film those, instead of filming inside the iss

[Anonymous No.11934002]

>>11933964
>Not how cyclones work. You don't just vaporize them
The whole point of blowing them up is to disrupt the cycle. Keep your bullshit opinions to yourself lmao.

[Anonymous No.11934010]

>>11933999
Literally what the fuck. Is that cheaper than just doing CGI? Also is Cruise confirmed as a passenger... the man's vanity films knows no bounds (not even the karman line apparently)

[Anonymous No.11934016]

>>11933995
We don't know. It can take years before a movie begins filming.

>>11934010
>Literally what the fuck. Is that cheaper than just doing CGI?
No but he does his own stunts and if that means going to space then...

[Anonymous No.11934024]

>>11934002
https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd-faq/#hurricane-mitigation

I don't know if you're serious or not.

>>11934010
It's just a novelty thing. Who cares about cheap, it's a damn action movie literally filmed in space. I'd go see it.

[Anonymous No.11934029]

>>11933999
I really, really doubt they'd let Cruise do a space walk. The ISS is just too fragile.

[Anonymous No.11934039]

>>11934024
There's no information on there other than some weak experiments with cloudseeding. Where's the supposed "nuking" of hurricane that article makes claims about? Is that just a political statement against Trump's suggestion or have we actually tried it?

[Anonymous No.11934061]

>>11934029
The Russians are letting a tourist do a spacewalk.
>Space tourism company Space Adventures has signed a contract with RSC Energia for a Soyuz flight to the International Space Station that will include an opportunity for one customer to perform a spacewalk.
https://spacenews.com/space-adventures-signs-contract-for-soyuz-flight-with-spacewalk-option/

[Anonymous No.11934123]

How likely is it that Russia will detach their upcoming ISS modules to create their own LEO station after the ISS is deorbited?

[Anonymous No.11934131]

>>11934123
before the ISS is deorbited*

[Anonymous No.11934136]

>>11934123
>how likely
Well, it's "explicitly their plan likely". They intend to work with China for that matter.

[Anonymous No.11934151]

>>11933839
we already did. look at china right now, it's gunna burst soon

[Anonymous No.11934182]

>>11934136
I don't think you can easily move the Russian modules to the Chinese Space Station if that's what you're suggesting.

[Anonymous No.11934197]

>>11934182
Floating their shit over to the Chinese station would be a massive maneuver, but the Chinese are using Mir style stuff they bought from Russia last I checked, so technically feasible at least.

[Anonymous No.11934199]

>>11934123
Im pretty sure it’s a certainty. They will be boosting their segments away and working with the Chinese
>>11934182
I think they will. They’ll probably keep the russian segments and invite the Chinese to launch more segments. All they have to do is use the same docking adapters it’s not too hard

[Anonymous No.11934215]

>>11934197
>>11934199
There's a 10 degree inclination difference between the ISS and Chinese station. How would the Russians pull that off?

[Anonymous No.11934232]

>>11934215
It would require a tug to move the shit around. Attach tug to parts, burn. That's how you orbital mechanics. You can change inclination.
The F9 resupplying ISS doesn't launch at the same inclination as the ISS for instance, it changes inclination as it goes uphill.

[Anonymous No.11934239]

>>11934123
Russia has a bunch of cool ideas but are too retarded to actually follow through.

>Soyuz-5
>Angara
>OPSEK
>Lunar Orbit Station
>Mars-Grunt
>PPTS


Why do they have so many different rockets flying at once. Off the top of my head they’re building like two heavy lift vehicles as once for some reason - Soyuz-5 and Angara - and the latter even flew six years ago then just kinda died.

[Anonymous No.11934245]

>>11931213
>>11931189
Artemis is just another rushed half assed vague human spaceflight plan line Constellation. Truth is no one gives a fuck about space to fund an actual effort to achieve meaningful human space exploration.
The only thing you fags care about is owning the libs epic style.

[Anonymous No.11934247]

>>11934239
Because they used to be the Soviet Union. Angara is mostly Ukrainian for instance, not Russian.

[Anonymous No.11934261]

>>11934215
No no no... I dont think they are going to combine the stations. These are the scenarios I see playing out:
• China creates their own Large Modular Space Station (this is their equivalent of Mir) this will mostly be an isolated thing
• Russians detach their segments and keep them, probably will ask China to develop NEW segments to launch to this station. It will host russian, chinese, and ESA astronauts

[Anonymous No.11934266]

>>11934261
I'm not saying it's likely. I'm just saying it's technically feasible.

[Anonymous No.11934278]

>>11934245
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11934290]

>>11934261
Why is ESA so eager to work with China?

>>11934245
>t. Scott Manley

How much will Reddit cope after Biden cancels Artemis? Will they defend it? I wonder if PopSci fags will ever gain self awareness.

[Anonymous No.11934304]

>>11934290
>Why is ESA so eager to work with China?
Hedging bets for the upcoming superpower war. EU needs to be good with both sides so they can get back on the military/tech tit of whoever wins.

[Anonymous No.11934310]

Why is this fucker wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG28Dlun3sg
Will Starship just keep blowing up forever, as he says?

[Anonymous No.11934323]

>>11934310
Ah yes, one of the comments:
>Love this channel! Glad thunderf00t sent me here

[Anonymous No.11934326]

>>11934323
Lol, didn't read the comments, but made me think of Blunderfoot.

[Anonymous No.11934340]

>>11934310
Its already passed the cryo pressure tests though, they don't have problems with those anyways. The last failure was with GSE. I can't wait for starship to fly and all the faggot naysayers to unironically kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.11934343]

>>11934340
Well, you know SN4 passed that too.

[Anonymous No.11934348]

>>11934310
Lol, I saving this for later so I can rewatch it after the first successful Starship launch a few years down the line.

[Anonymous No.11934355]

>>11934340
Well, I'm no rocket engineer, but I can see how the common bulkhead could lead to metal fatigue, and make it low re-usability or not re-usable at all.
Now, I'm sure SpaceX thought about this anyways. Would like to see this can fly, though, instead of blowing up.

[Anonymous No.11934370]

>>11934310
He brings up valid points and I thought his video wasn’t actually that bad I mean it was decently well informed. However he seems to forget that the last two Starships have failed because of ground issues/user error.

Of course all of his comments are retarded. Why do so many people hate on SpaceX and Starship? I always thought space fans would love it.

[Anonymous No.11934377]

>>11934310
Lol at saying common bulkheads are impossible. They literally passed all the cryo tests before the video was made because he has the SN4 explosion in it.

He just thinks he knows better than anyone. Only valid point is the crew capacity, 20-40 is more likely imo. Also jeez, 10 vids debunking starship? Paid ULA shill?

[Anonymous No.11934378]

>>11934370
Yes, valid points, retarded comments. But that's youtube in a nutshell, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.11934379]

>>11934370
>Why do so many people hate on SpaceX and Starship? I always thought space fans would love it.
some people don't want to see space colonization, they want to fix every issue on earth and or "preserve" the "environment" of celestial bodies

[Anonymous No.11934381]

>>11934377
To be fair making anti-SpaceX stuff actually has a large market. There’s a crowd that flicks to each of these videos. Maybe he’s playing them for views? I don’t know what his deal is against starship.

[Anonymous No.11934382]

>>11934377
> 20-40 is more likely imo
It's still gonna be pic related once you put in required shit like storm shelter and other stuff, man.

[Anonymous No.11934389]

>>11934382
1000 cubic meters is a lot, so not necessarily.

[Anonymous No.11934391]

>>11934389
That fills up really fucking fast with equipment, water and supplies.

[Anonymous No.11934393]

>>11934391
I think their later missions will have dedicated crew and supply ships but at first you’re right, crews will probably be only a dozen or so but there will be tons of supplies on the same ship.

[Anonymous No.11934396]

>>11934379
>suicide
These people are literally advocating global genocide to 'save' the planet. As if it needs saving.

[Anonymous No.11934398]

>>11934310
SpaceX BTFOed by a random YouTube channel with 800 subs, they'll certainly never recover. After seeing this video, Starship production will stop in its tracks and they'll sell their business to Boeing, the only company that could possibly figure out interplanetary spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.11934400]

>>11934378
Just curious. What points did you think were valid?

[Anonymous No.11934402]

I have always wondered how's the average /sfg/ poster
'Cause I've been feeling I'm the oldest guy around here

[Anonymous No.11934403]

>>11934382
Bedrooms on the ISS are more like pantries than rooms. I think with an emphasis on common rooms and just enough room for sex in a bedroom, it could be possible. 20-40 people per trip is still enough to build a town.

Also, couldn't you send cargo starships in tandem with normal starships to act as resupply vessels? Like a starship just filled with fucktons of water.

[Anonymous No.11934404]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1286665488957878273
whatever anon said elon would say thank you trump, he pretty much did so but for tesla

[Anonymous No.11934408]

>>11934398
I have to say, I didn't think much of it. Just the part about common bulkhead seems legit worrying. That's not something I have to worry about in KSP anyways.

[Anonymous No.11934409]

>>11934400
Space, and ease of access. Personally I'm cautiously optimistic about the whole thing, but most people here are full on fucking Elon zealots and he's wildly optimistic.
I'm not autistic about the material, but you're not fitting 100 people into that shit and firing it at Mars.

[Anonymous No.11934411]

>>11934404
>giga texas

[Anonymous No.11934413]

>>11934404
Wait until Biden is president. If his program is true, they'll need to grab the money from somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11934424]

>>11934409
I think most people agree that there won't be 100 people going. Most of us agree that it'll probably be 20-30, 40 at best

[Anonymous No.11934428]

>>11934402
I'm guessing you're asking how old?
Probably the average is around 22-24

[Anonymous No.11934432]

Lol this guy said Starship needs escape pods and a medbay. What about a transporter room?

[Anonymous No.11934433]

>>11934428
I'm 38 in September. You might want to raise your average.

[Anonymous No.11934435]

This shit is going well outside our magnetosphere for at least 3 months. Do you really think a couple of millimeters of rolled steel is going to cut it? No. It's going to internal shielding so you're not cooked before you arrive.
That's even more lost space. Then what happens if the sun throws out a brrraap on the way? Ok, you're going to need a solar shelter, probably a room lead lined tank filled with water or some shit like that. There goes even more room.

Shit to fly it with, food, water, clothes, suits, everything you fucking need for the trip, everything you need when you get there.

>>11934424
>20-30, 40
Maybe, if you hotbunk.
15 tops would be my prediction.

[Anonymous No.11934438]

im 94

[Anonymous No.11934439]

>>11934432
>escape pods
holy shit this guy is retarded

[Anonymous No.11934442]

Can't wait for the ISS phonecall between Tom Cruise and President Trump

[Anonymous No.11934444]

>>11934432
>escape pods
Yeah, that's silly. But someone with medical training and some equipment is pretty much a given for 3 months.

[Anonymous No.11934447]

>>11934439
Well, lack of escape system for Starship is also one of my concerns.

[Anonymous No.11934449]

>>11934428
48

[Anonymous No.11934450]

>>11934433
>escape pods
Where will they be escaping though?

[Anonymous No.11934453]

>>11934450
Local towing service.

[Anonymous No.11934454]

>>11934450
Yeah, 38, really. The 80s were cool.

[Anonymous No.11934455]

>>11934450
Off the elliptic plane and into deep space

[Anonymous No.11934456]

>>11934432
keked
>>11934444
checked

[Anonymous No.11934457]

>>11934450
To the planet Vulcan

[Anonymous No.11934459]

>>11934450
Fuck, wrong post: >>11934432

[Anonymous No.11934461]

>>11934290
What exactly will Artemis accomplish? If human space exploration doesn't have a meaningful purpose then it's not worth it. A half assed reason to keep SLS alive is not worth it.

[Anonymous No.11934462]

new
>>11934460

[Anonymous No.11934468]

>>11934459
Don't worry, looks like nobody followed your link.

[Anonymous No.11934472]

>>11934428
18

[Anonymous No.11934474]

>>11934472
Me too.

[Anonymous No.11934478]

>>11934428
Coming up on 43.
We are the lost ones.

[Anonymous No.11934482]

>>11934403
What else do they need in the room besides a sleeping bag mounted onto the wall? There's easily enough space for that. The circumference of Starship is around 94 feet, right? 2.5 feet per person for sleeping bags mounted on the outer wall, three levels, you could fit 112 people there alone.

I have problems with a lot of the assumptions in the video. Why does the access corridor have to be eight feet in diameter? Unless they're keeping huge items on the top floor that they have to move to the bottom floors while in transit or the planet, that is way too large.

[Anonymous No.11934483]

>>11934472
>>11934474
As an old fuck, I'm glad you're here.

[Anonymous No.11934491]

>>11934462
Delete this, I hate that bitch and there's no edition.

[Anonymous No.11934498]

>>11934482
Well, I chuckled when he talked about beds.
That being said, this looks like being in a tuna can for several months.
And I think most Tunas will tear themselves apart living in such small place for 4-6 month.

[Anonymous No.11934523]

>>11934498
I'll add, what's the closest thing we did to traveling to Mars on Earf?
And that would be nuclear submarines.
Now, the thing about them is that they're males only for obvious reasons. Don't get me wrong, they could be female only, but not sure if it would go well. We have no data.

[Anonymous No.11934524]

>>11932446
Lol

[Anonymous No.11934546]

>>11934498
>>11934523
I think people underestimate how fast you would get used to those living conditions, especially if it's only temporary and you have to do it in order to fulfill your dreams. I've seen ten people living out of a small bedroom, 'tuna can' living is very common in some countries.

[Anonymous No.11934562]

>>11934546
I don't know man. I'm not sure about a mixed crew. This could go wrong very fast when people can't get away.

[Anonymous No.11934575]

>>11934428
30

[Anonymous No.11934586]

>>11934404
>he kept his word to me
Dear god if trump wins, Elon will have free range for the next 4 years to build and do whatever he wants.

[Anonymous No.11934637]

>>11934586
>Economy getting better despite all this “SECOND WAVE” shit
>Debates coming up

I’m calling it. It’ll be 2016 all over again.

[Anonymous No.11934720]

>>11934428
29 as of yesterday

[Anonymous No.11934736]

>>11934637
What debates? Captain Alzheimer will dodge that shit.