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[Anonymous No.11911435]

Blue Steel Edition
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[Anonymous No.11911443]

>>11911435
Space is racist. We should spend more on welfare programs.

[Anonymous No.11911447]

[Anonymous No.11911450]

[Anonymous No.11911452]

Mars. Home

>>11911443
Give all your money and open your home to the poor then

[Anonymous No.11911460]

>>11911452
I wonder what causes the darker spots such as that sound-like feature near the top of the image. Material deposits from when the planet had water? Or areas with strong wind that have all of their dust blown away.

[Anonymous No.11911491]

>>11911460
probably material below the regolith as the iron oxide is a rather small percentage of crust material

[Anonymous No.11911513]

>>11911443
Space is mostly black, how can it be racist?

[Anonymous No.11911550]

Anyone here remember the Dyna-Soar? My father worked on that project and I have a bunch of material from him somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11911551]

>>11911550
Yes. Please feel free to share if you find it

[Anonymous No.11911554]

>>11911435
Seems extremely inefficient... What is this?

[Anonymous No.11911564]

>>11911554
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Siddeley_Stentor
A hydrogen peroxide powered rocket engine for a missile developed in the late 50's.

[Anonymous No.11911567]

>>11911550
I'd be much more interested if you had some information on Project Isinglass or Project Rheinberry.

I remember seeing a PDF on the web around 2011 or so of an old, presumably declassified project overview complete with technical diagrams and possible configurations for the air-breathing Convair/General Dynamics and rocket-powered McDonnell Douglas versions of the bird, but I didn't save it and I can't seem to find it now.

[Anonymous No.11911568]

Why aren't the Galilean moons emphasised as much as Ceres and Kuiper Belt minor planets?

[Anonymous No.11911572]

>>11911568
Because then we'd also have to talk about Saturn's big moons.

I'm also really interested in the moons of Uranus and Neptune and it honestly kills me that NASA never sent Galileo/Cassini-tier orbiters there during the "big planetary probe" era.

[Anonymous No.11911573]

>>11911554
What about it looks inefficient?

[Anonymous No.11911581]

>>11911572
There hasn't even been a trojan/greeks probe of anything

[Anonymous No.11911583]

>me recently

[Anonymous No.11911587]

>>11911554
A lot of conventional rocket design tropes go out the window when you start talking about HTP engines.

[Anonymous No.11911621]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEyAs3NWH4A

I wish I was there bro's..

[Anonymous No.11911641]

>>11911581
Becuse they suck

[Anonymous No.11911646]

>>11911581
There is one in the pipeline. "Lucy" they call it, for reasons I forget.

[Anonymous No.11911652]

>>11911568
Europa Clipper is scheduled for launch in 2024.

[Anonymous No.11911677]

>>11911550
Noice, try and find that shit. Such a cool program. Working for NASA in those early days must have been such a cool job

[Anonymous No.11911682]

>>11911435
Tha fuck is that second chamber down there doing? What’s its purpose?

[Anonymous No.11911685]

>>11911682
Da sekond engin' makes it go fartha

[Anonymous No.11911689]

>>11911435

Solar lander when?

[Anonymous No.11911697]

>>11911689
At night

[Anonymous No.11911704]

>>11911697
Kelvin rise up
Bottom Text

[Anonymous No.11911709]

>>11911689
throw a tungsten box at the sun. in the very center is a transmitter and a thermometer

[Anonymous No.11911719]

>>11911564
Thank you

[Anonymous No.11911725]

>>11911682
The large chamber on top is the booster chamber, the bottom chamber is the sustainer or cruise chamber. The engine was meant for a cruise missile where both chambers are ignited at launch to quickly accelerate the missile to cruise speeds, and then the booster chamber is shut down since only the cruise chamber is needed to maintain speeds.

The US did something similar, except they nested the chambers inside each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehp2Y_JWVO8

[Anonymous No.11911758]

>Biden wins
>His administration immediately cuts funding to the commercial crew program
>Eventually cuts SLS for being over budget and behind schedule
>Puts FAA ban on spaceX making launches in the USA, and his FCC head prohibits starlink from providing service in the USA
>USA forced to used Vulcan, new Glenn never flies
>SpaceX bough by a Chinese holding company and broken up
>Vulcan launches gradually slip up to costing a few hundred million to leo
>Moonbase prospects will be put on the board by NASA for a 2040 moon landing, and eventual Mars landing
>All funds for NASA diverted into climate and earth science, JWST canceled, NASA only allowed to launch sea level monitoring satellites
Prediction for space travel in the next 5 years

[Anonymous No.11911770]

>>11911758
Retarded and doomerpilled.

What do you guys think will be the defining spaceflight moment of the 2020s?

[Anonymous No.11911772]

>>11911568
Hard to get to

[Anonymous No.11911775]

>>11911770
B O O T S
O N
M A R S

[Anonymous No.11911776]

>>11911758
Guys, does Elon have a behelit? Should SpaceX employees be worried?

[Anonymous No.11911778]

>>11911770
Reddit and twitter trying to spin how Biden cancelling everything is a net positive for spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11911782]

>>11911758
Unbased. Doomerism is for filthy t*rrans.

>>11911770
>What do you guys think will be the defining spaceflight moment of the 2020s?
Just one? Return to the moon, the flight of Starship, and everything else those events imply. I personally have my doubts that the moon would be reached by humans before 2030, but I would be happy to see SpaceX try their best.

[Anonymous No.11911786]

>>11911758
>2040 moon landing
Schedule slips, man finally returns to the moon in 2069.

[Anonymous No.11911789]

>>11911758
thank god Tesla is working out and OneWeb died so SpaceX has Elon money and satellite internet monopoly, otherwise I'd unironically think manned spaceflight would be in for another dead decade

[Anonymous No.11911791]

>>11911770
Even moreso than another moon landing, I feel like the first Starship on Mars is going to be the big moment. If they do it, Spacex will have outclassed every single national space program by not only landing on Mars (which very few have managed) but far exceeding the landed mass of any previous mission.

[Anonymous No.11911798]

>>11911791
Dude, I was cheering at the top of my lungs when curiosity landed. Starship on mars or people on the moon is gonna be tears for sure. While listening to Faith of the heart of course.

[Anonymous No.11911801]

>>11911770
The DearMoon mission. Artemis is nice and all, but a bunch of celebs on a free return trajectory from the moon will get all the attention.

[Anonymous No.11911805]

>>11911798
I had a couple friends over and got pretty trashed leading up to the final 7 minutes, fearful of bad news. When the first hazcam image showed up though we all cheered like madmen.

[Anonymous No.11911808]

>>11911758
most retarded thing in the century

>>11911770
launch of the JWST
yeah perseverance is cool, but we already have curiosity. yeah spacex and stuff, but they're not gonna launch anyhting new in the 2020s (not anything remarkable like the bfr at least). yeah saudi arabia on mars but no one cares. yeah europe and russia will launch yet another rover to mars, but again, nothing remarkable. yeah china is sending stuff here and there, but they're just flexing with the tech they have, they don't have any serious explorative interests, unless it has military relevance. any other idea that would arise today would take longer than 10 years from concept to launch, so it may be the greatest mission ever, but not in the 20s
the jwst is instead basically the new hubble, it will give beautiful images to the folks like its predecessor did, but in higher res. also the technology behind it is ridiculously better and more complicated than the one working on hubble (for obvious reasons). definitely launch of the decade

[Anonymous No.11911809]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS_RocketShip

This ship is in Kentucky today. This is actually a huge whitepill about rocketry in the US - most states have the ability to ship boosters to Canaveral and Vandenburg (and Wallops, Kodiak, and every other US spaceport) by water, which is a very big deal for anything bigger around than a shuttle SRB - those were diameter constrained because of railway tunnels.

[Anonymous No.11911811]

>>11911808
oh yeah, I forgot about two things
>starship on mars: not gonna happen in the 20s, that's sure. not ever gonna happen if you ask me, but that's just a conjecture
>artemis and the man back on the moon: same as above

[Anonymous No.11911819]

>>11911786
we'll see the complete version of yandere simulator before we'll be back on the moon

[Anonymous No.11911837]

What will be after Mars?

[Anonymous No.11911838]

>>11911808
Boca Chica was all but wasteland hardly 2 years ago and now look at the facility, not to mention the flight hardware itself that has been made in the last year alone.
You mean to tell me SpaceX is going to twiddle their thumbs on Starship for 10 years and not get a single trip to the moon or mars? That’s just foolish

[Anonymous No.11911847]

>>11911808
unique answer, I like it.

>>11911811
Why?? I can understand timeslips, but never? Seems too underestimative of SpaceX

[Anonymous No.11911848]

>>11911837
Simultaneous construction of a McMurdo-tier base/proto-colony on Mars and a space station orbiting it while NASA gets a fire lit under it's ass and abandons Mars research to the universities to instead pursue manned exploration of the outer planets instead, using Mars as a base of operations.

[Anonymous No.11911855]

>>11911758
>Biden
>Win
Major police unions which usually bend into pretzels to suck off Democrats just came out in support of Trump. Biden will be lucky if his brain even holds out long enough to get him to the first debate, much less a win.

[Anonymous No.11911866]

>>11911837
Colonizing Mars and making it a forge world. If you can process ores into spaceship steel and ISRU methalox, all you need from Earth are the electronics. Cargo Starships launched from Mars will then begin preparing colony sites on Ceres and the moons of Saturn. Then sooner or later someone builds if not a torch ship then at least a go fast interplanetary crewed spacecraft. The nature of that spacecraft depends on which engineering problems get solved first.

[Anonymous No.11911869]

>>11911838
building a complex is one thing, developing a new vehicle is completely another. the falcon 9 took several years and -while being outstanding- it still is a typical rocket, but capable of landing. the bfs is a kind of vehicle we've never seen. it's not like a capsule nor a shuttle, it's literally an inhabitable rocket made to reentry from space. no way it's taking 10 years to the first flight

>>11911847
I think the works will go on for so long that at spacex they'll just abandon the project, but again, I can't be sure of that

[Anonymous No.11911870]

>>11911855
It probably won't happen but I'd love Trump to ask Biden in a debate what his stance on SLS is, only for Joe to have no idea what he's talking about then challenge him to pushups or something.

[Anonymous No.11911874]

>>11911870
Just ask Biden if he'd rather pay for drag queens in schools or a Mars colony.

[Anonymous No.11911875]

>>11911866
why not the electronics?

[Anonymous No.11911883]

>>11911875
Making modern computer chips is insanely difficult even on Earth. It also requires elements that might be rare or absent on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11911892]

>>11911883
hmmm not sure about the machinery, but the lack of materials makes sense to me

[Anonymous No.11911897]

>>11911892
>clean room with a perfectly flat floor on a planet we can't drill on a hole on

[Anonymous No.11911913]

>>11911883
>>11911897
Thing is they're pretty light, one starship could bring literal tons of electronic components.

[Anonymous No.11911921]

>>11911869
Hardware status for F9 was roughly at Starship's current state in 2008, and they delivered cargo to the ISS in 2012. Spacex was a much smaller and less experienced company at that point.
For Moon missions, at the very least, Starship is actually less demanding from an engineering standpoint than Dragon. It won't have to withstand reentry and there are no parachutes.

[Anonymous No.11911928]

>>11911913
Exactly. Meanwhile steel is easier to make but very heavy. Optimizing your mass transfer budget to Mars it makes perfect sense to get ISRU metallurgy up ASAP and rely on imported electronics for a while.

[Anonymous No.11911934]

>>11911808
>beautiful images
It's an IR telescope, no color. Normiefags will lose interest in about 650 milliseconds.

[Anonymous No.11911940]

>>11911897
What

[Anonymous No.11911947]

>>11911928
Yup, build out the starship and send only the most complex equipment from Earth. Mars get's endemic launch capability and Earth ensures Martian cooperation.

[Anonymous No.11911948]

>>11911934
False Color images will surely be made. Most space photos are false color. Just make it pretty and people will put it as their wallpaper.

[Anonymous No.11911949]

>>11911913
yeah actually it may not be the only way but would be the most efficient

>>11911921
>Starship is actually less demanding from an engineering standpoint than Dragon
no. the dragon capsules don't have to autonomously fly in high atmosphere, then in space, and then land on the moon while bringing humans and a shit ton of payload. also the crew will have to come back somehow, so I'm pretty sure the idea is to make the starship reentry from the first manned flight. maybe not the first tests in space, but the vehicle will be built to do all that. and the spaceship's reentry profile doesn't even rely on parachutes, but on atmospheric flight and powered landing, and that's even more complicated

[Anonymous No.11911953]

>>11911947
What’s the minimum tech you would need to eventually be able to make the chips themselves. If you had a football-sized habitat filled with heavy machinery, could you eventually make the chips themselves? And the engine plumbing and stuff?

[Anonymous No.11911958]

>>11911934
do you realize most people see false color images and don't even know that? even hubble's images are often in false colors since it sees near-infrared too. I think you're the only true normiefag here

>>11911948
this

[Anonymous No.11911963]

>>11911949
>For Moon missions
The "lunar lander" variant will never come back to Earth, so it doesn't even need the fins. It also doesn't need astronauts when it launches, they'll be waiting on Gatewat.

[Anonymous No.11911970]

>>11911953
the engine plumbing is probably the easiest part. they're already trying to make working engines entirely 3d printed, and the results are promising. making the electronics requires clean rooms and advanced stuff to coat and laser "print" the processors. it looks feasable to me, but it would be very inefficient compared to imported electronics

[Anonymous No.11911971]

>>11911953
No, you'd need several square miles of habs, rare earth refining, semiconductor doping, noble gas atmosphere chambers, nanometer scale laser lithography, and ceramics to encapsulate the chips in dies... plus plastic/copper proonting for PCBs, and a supply of solder.

[Anonymous No.11911972]

Perseverance is supposed to store samples for a future sample return mission. Why even bother with collecting samples for later when an eventual sample return craft could collect the samples itself?

[Anonymous No.11911974]

>>11911963
>gateway
weren't we talking about the 20s?

[Anonymous No.11911975]

>>11911970
>>11911971
I’m assuming it’s one of those complex processes that requires humans, so you can’t really automate anything?

[Anonymous No.11911977]

>>11911972
The only reason is so that NASA can tell Congress the samples are there waiting to be recovered, in order to secure funding later.

[Anonymous No.11911983]

>>11911975
by the time we'll be able to send machinery to mars, I think we'll be able to automate the entire process too

>>11911977
yep, soulds like a good plan since the congress is a pile of shit

[Anonymous No.11912014]

>Biden and Democrats win in 2020
>SpaceX to be defunded and dissolved because the left hate Elon Musk
>Spaceflight is dead for next 30 years

[Anonymous No.11912018]

>>11911972
to collect samples from a wide area without spending vital mission EVA time

[Anonymous No.11912020]

>>11912014

[Anonymous No.11912029]

>>11912014
go back to /x/ retard

[Anonymous No.11912030]

>>11912029
>t. imbecile

[Anonymous No.11912043]

>>11911974
the 2120's

[Anonymous No.11912047]

>>11912043
ok now it's reasonable

[Anonymous No.11912049]

>>11912014
Elon will move to China or Russia.

[Anonymous No.11912050]

>not linking the new in the old
baka

[Anonymous No.11912058]

>>11912014
>SpaceX to be defunded and dissolved because the left hate Elon Musk
you can't defund a privately held company doommong

[Anonymous No.11912059]

>>11912050
When this one was made the previos one was already archived.

[Anonymous No.11912061]

>>11911568
we're getting europa clipper, europa lander, and jupiter icey moons explorer sent by ESA as well

[Anonymous No.11912063]

>>11911837
Ceres outpost/base with a few thousand people before colonization of callisto and ganymede and maybe undersurface colonization of europa, then the moons of saturn.

[Anonymous No.11912086]

What solar system body would be ideal for a junkyard/shipyard i.e. let’s assume hundreds of BO and SpaceX ships are zipping around the solar system, what would be the best body to land on and swap out wings and get new heat tiles? Some asteroid with low gravity for easy maintanence?

[Anonymous No.11912092]

>>11912086
ceres

[Anonymous No.11912093]

Asteroids in the belt are too far out, have hella weak gravity, and most likely exhibit uneven and unstable surfaces. A martian moon seems more promising.

[Anonymous No.11912094]

>>11912086
if the ship is never intended to land in a gravity well then o r b i t a l s h i p y a r d s
otherwise probably the various moons

[Anonymous No.11912107]

>>11912086

>>11912092
this
>>11912093
martian moons are uneven too, it would be quite impractical. and ceres isn't that far away past mars

[Anonymous No.11912151]

>>11911972
to dupe congress into giving them money

[Anonymous No.11912189]

>>11912151
It makes me proud that such a time honored tradition of duping congress is living strong even today. Its not easy to consistently fool a bunch of lawyers into signing up for decade long commitments, I mean look at Opportunity it lasted 55 times its original billed time.

[Anonymous No.11912249]

>>11911837
Mining the belt

[Anonymous No.11912270]

>Elon reveals his powerlevel and names the first permanent settlement/colony on Mars New Rhodesia
your faces when please

[Anonymous No.11912273]

>>11912270

[Anonymous No.11912279]

>>11912270

[Anonymous No.11912348]

China makes a crewed Mars or Venus landing. How much does the US seethe?

[Anonymous No.11912358]

>>11912348
>Crewed Chinese Venus landing
How much tsingtao you drink Chang?

[Anonymous No.11912377]

>>11912358
No, no. It's fine. They just CRISPR edit crew, made out of lens caps. Will be fine.

[Anonymous No.11912446]

Would it be worthwhile to treat Venus like a miniature gas planet and strip mine its atmosphere? An orbital ring ellipse that dips down into the atmosphere could allow pumping or scooping up gases from certain layers. There aren't launch window issues like with Mars and sunlight is strong, so a solar electric or solar thermal interplanetary ferry service could be handy.

[Anonymous No.11912485]

>>11911837
practicing asteroid colonization on Phobos and Deimos

[Anonymous No.11912486]

hmmmm

[Anonymous No.11912552]

>>11912486
Wait, what?

[Anonymous No.11912645]

>>11912552
It's just how SpaceX's Boca Chica facilities have grown over the past two years.

[Anonymous No.11912647]

>>11911435
fuck you species it dead

[Anonymous No.11912681]

>>11912270
>look up Rhodesia
>South African city
>mfw Elon will turn Mars primarily Caucasian

[Anonymous No.11912683]

>>11912681
>Rhodesia
>>South African city
Retard. It was the name for white-run Zimbabwe

[Anonymous No.11912693]

>>11912683
Oh yeah, the failed "IRL Wakanda".
Mars will be under Apartheid, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.11912698]

>>11912683
>>11912693
By that, I mean an African country attempting to run primarily European architecture like cities.

[Anonymous No.11912793]

>>11912486
>completely encompassing the Stargate building

[Anonymous No.11912930]

>>11911837
More mars, moons (plural), and the belt
maybe some experimental shit on mercury to see if mining ops are viable there

[Anonymous No.11912974]

>>11911758
why would you cancel commercial crew at this point?

[Anonymous No.11912993]

>>11912974
Spite

[Anonymous No.11913005]

>>11912974
Biden's team of supporters (the people who would really run the country during his presidency) already want to cancel all American industry, the American way of life, and basically the core foundational principles of the country, it's economy, and it's legal system.
Why would they leave the space program intact?

[Anonymous No.11913009]

>>11912974
Trump has been heavily campaigning on the success of manned spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11913017]

>>11913005
Yes, and trump was running on a white ethnostate to bring american jobs back, deport all mexicans, ban muslims, take us out of the middle East and build a wall.

Politicians are not nearly as effective as you think. Nu-Space is already getting institutionalized, DoD will push back hard if someone tries to fuck with their newfound fancy toy. Simply not enough public will for it, commercial crew is an Obama idea.

>>11913009
Not heavily campaigning, just mentioning it every once in a while. Worst case is Jim gets rotated out for some Boeing shill, but SpaceX is self sustaining by now.

[Anonymous No.11913018]

>>11911971
Is it possible to make lower powered processors with larger transistor size to reduce the tooling required to make them?
I assume it would be easier to change the design of the products than building a cpu factory.

[Anonymous No.11913036]

>>11913017
>running on a white ethnostate
Gullible maroon.

[Anonymous No.11913050]

>>11912974
Because it heavily supported by Trump admin, Democrats hated everything Trump supported.

[Anonymous No.11913062]

>>11913036
Did you mean moron? Or the color.

[Anonymous No.11913064]

>>11913017
>take us out of the middle East
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-senate-votes-to-block-trumps-withdrawal-of-us-forces-from-syria-afghanistan/

[Anonymous No.11913078]

>>11913062
Which do you think doc?

[Anonymous No.11913082]

>>11913078
Thanks for the kek.

[Anonymous No.11913296]

https://twitter.com/roscosmos/status/1284470380900618240

[Anonymous No.11913307]

>>11911758
The army wants starlink up and running.
Biden and his dem shits can scream all they want but spaceX will keep on flying.

[Anonymous No.11913337]

>>11913296
The soviets always did a lot of things right with colours in a way that you don't even expect to work. Like really odd combinations and themes, perfectly accommodating the shapes they put on things. Even ugly stuff is somewhat cool. Like Hinds and BRDM's which are extremely ugly but also extremely aestetic at the same time. And then their rockets and facilities

[Anonymous No.11913359]

>all this fear-mongering about dems want to end spaceflight
>Commercial Crew is as much as Obama's baby as it was Bush's

[Anonymous No.11913366]

>>11913359
Pretty sure it was only kept alive by the obama administration to throw money at boeing, nobody ever excepted spaceX to deliver.

[Anonymous No.11913372]

>>11913366
Today I will remind them.

[Anonymous No.11913377]

>>11912058
no, but there are plenty of spiteful things you could do to damage SpaceX (or any company for that matter)
Biden can sign executive order banning NASA and DoD from giving tenders to SpaceX for security reasons/reliability concerns or whatever and stop providing R&D grants
EPA can do whatever they want to delay construction on Boca Chica pretty much indefinitely because frogs or something, if they really wanted
FAA can deny launches because birds
FCC can deny Starlink frequencies allocations requests
Dems screech for government paid ("free") broadband for a while. Free internet would make make Starlink financially less lucrative

but I don't think that's gonna happen just because Trump watched Dragon launch once

[Anonymous No.11913385]

>>11913359
You mean the commercial crew which bore not a single fruit during Obama's eight year tenure while he was busy slashing NASA's budget, redirecting them to fucking climate science based on fudged climate projections that one of the scientists ended up in prison for? While his people spent NASAs time and money on Muslim outreach?
Jesus you sound like the "Obama economy" people. When things were going shit it was the Bush economy and when they were fine it was the Obama economy, and now if they're shit it's the Trump economy and if it's good it's still the Obama economy. So what, for the eight years his admin oversaw CC was it the Bush commercial crew, and now that it's succeeded it's the Obama commercial crew?
Fuckoff.

[Anonymous No.11913405]

>>11911870
lmao like Trump would know what SLS is

[Anonymous No.11913411]

When is the hop happening?

[Anonymous No.11913412]

>>11912107
>martian moons are uneven too
We will encapsulate them in basalt-fiber reinforces bags filled with a small amount of pressurized gas (something like SF6, which leaks very slowly if at all). That'll give us a closed volume to work inside where we don't need to worry about kicking up dust. At that point we're free to begin disassembling the moons into collections of bags of sorted minerals for later refining into raw materials.

[Anonymous No.11913415]

>>11913405
If someone tells him about it, sure. A minute of explanation in and he'd be nodding about what a terrible deal it was. If he's not already been briefed on the program I'd be shocked, especially since he was out at the DM2 launch.

[Anonymous No.11913419]

>>11912348
I'd say that no manned Venus landing is coming back, but that's a moot point, since no manned interplanetary Chine mission is coming back either lmao

[Anonymous No.11913420]

>>11913411
>When is hop happen?

[Anonymous No.11913423]

>>11912014
Why would they do that? NASA/JPL/whatever are insanely liberal and would happily advocate for protecting SpaceX. Get out of here with your political pandering.

[Anonymous No.11913430]

Ok guys, this thread is getting increasingly annoying. Stop doomer posting in every thread.

New topic: Post favorite interplanetary probe
Extra credit: Post your ideas for a future exploration or technology demonstration mission.

[Anonymous No.11913433]

>>11913005
Do you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.11913434]

>>11913423
are there any right wing factions in the space industry (aside from shelby)

[Anonymous No.11913437]

>>11913430
>xkcd posting
May a spent Chinese booster flatten your domicile.

[Anonymous No.11913450]

>>11913434
No, other than maybe fabrication of components interests in the South. I do not understand why there is so much political bullshit going on in this thread right now. If anything, the left is more excited about investment in space than the average right leaning individual. Someone is just trying to stoke pro-Trump divisiveness in a thread that should be unrelated to it.

[Anonymous No.11913458]

>>11912446
>Would it be worthwhile to treat Venus like a miniature gas planet and strip mine its atmosphere?
As a source of nitrogen and carbon for early acceleration in orbital habitat construction, sure.
>An orbital ring ellipse that dips down into the atmosphere could allow pumping or scooping up gases from certain layers.
Even if you assume orbital rings can work, you can't really do elliptical ones anyway, since they're supported by internal centripetal accelerations of matter and thus want to bulge out into a circle always. What you'd do instead is have two orbital rings, one sitting stationary to the ground at an altitude high above the atmosphere, and a second one down much closer to the surface, say 40 km above the datum (or whatever it's called on Venus). Connecting the two would be as many vertical tethers as you needed or wanted, and they'd be constantly shuttling bottles of gas up and down their length. You could even have tethers hanging down from the inner ring to take advantage of the much higher atmospheric pressures down there and skip on manually pressurizing those gasses.
>There aren't launch window issues like with Mars
Yeah there are, there's launch windows no matter you are or where you're going. Sure Venus has launch windows that occur with a higher frequency than most places, but it's not that huge a deal, especially if you've got a large fraction of people living in orbital habitats anyway.
>sunlight is strong
Sure, but a bit of a moot point because by the time we have the ability to build orbital rings around other planets you bet your ass we'll have cracked some significant power supply technology barriers.
>solar electric or solar thermal interplanetary ferry service
Like I said, we'll have power supply tech by then that would allow vastly greater propulsion technology than we have today or that we could achieve with mordern-ish tech. We're talking at least fusion propulsion that gets similar TWR as ion drives but with >10x the Isp.

[Anonymous No.11913462]

>>11913430
>favorite interplanetary probe
Cassini, definitely. Gave us a shit ton of info on saturn and its moons, and had a fucking titan lander.
>future exploration mission
some sort of europa hopper?
>>11913450
that sucks for the small group of right wingers interested in space, hopefully once starship starts flying and mars colonization begins, there'll be more right wing interest in space. probably will involve mormons.

[Anonymous No.11913466]

>>11913420
I want a HOP

[Anonymous No.11913476]

>>11912485
Based and accelerando-pilled.
Using Mars colonies as a base of operations to figure out how to turn an asteroid's materials into a rotating space habitat hull would leave us with the ability to make those hulls (and probably a lot of other internal hardware) around Mars, outfit them, and use them as our initial wave of colonization into the asteroid belt. At that point asteroid colonization is a repeat of Mars colonization except from inside a spinning bottle instead of on a planet. The trick would be to find a good source of water to make propellants with and stick to it, then use that propellant to send out freighters to other objects passing close by that pick up a few tons of useful materials and come back to the main hub.

[Anonymous No.11913489]

>>11913430
Gotta second >>11913462 and say Cassini, she did some good work.
For the future I'd hope there will be some nuclear-stirling powered probes with much more powerful sensors, transmitters, and larger sub-probe packages that can be landed on other planets, or semi-permanent satellites that can do some long-term mapping of the surfaces of other celestial bodies.
>>11913433
Nah, I'm not Joe Biden.

[Anonymous No.11913509]

>>11912446
>An orbital ring...
lets get people reliably and cheaply out of our gravity well first.

[Anonymous No.11913518]

>>11913377
yet the democrat party is consistently exactly the same as the republican party with a few tweaks to welfare. america is a colossus, no one bites the hand that feeds.

[Anonymous No.11913521]

>>11913489
I want us to have a big cassini/juno style science probe orbiting every planet (except one that lasts longer) and at least a lander on every major moon and dwarf planet by 2040. Hopefully starship can greatly accelerate our planetary science, along with literally colonizing mars.

[Anonymous No.11913523]

that mars 2016 show is not very good, but the documentary parts where you see elon running around in a field acting like a kid all excited the rocket is working is really cool
>tfw you will NEVER be in that room with all the employees cheering

[Anonymous No.11913524]

>>11911770

Lunar mining

[Anonymous No.11913526]

>>11913521
Also, we're gonna need A LOT more info on places like ceres and the jovian moons before we even consider sending people there, much less colonizing them.

[Anonymous No.11913528]

>>11911801
This, from a pragmatic point of view spacepilling a bunch of celebrities could have some major net benefits for spaceflight.
And if it RUDs, then hey, you only lose celebrities, IE nothing of any real value.

[Anonymous No.11913556]

>>11911808

>china is sending stuff here and there, but they're just flexing with the tech they have, they don't have any serious explorative interests

Since the future of humanity and the 'real' economy appears to be in outer space, it's 99.9% safe to say that the CCP is taking it very seriously, and working to put Chinamen up there permanently.

[Anonymous No.11913558]

>>11913430
My favorite probe is Hayabusa. That thing basically shot an asteroid and sucked up some of the debris for analysis. It also tried to send a lander but failed.

[Anonymous No.11913574]

Just tested some solid propellant, and the results were fairly disappointing. The propellant didn't burn very energetically and it took well over ten minutes to burn through 5 inches of propellant. What I suspect happened is that I'm needing to measure ingredients in fractions of an ounce, but my scale only goes down to one ounce. I thought I could get away by approximating fractions of an ounce, but I guess I was wrong. Going to get a better scale than a cheap mechanical kitchen one.

Just so you all know, I was testing a sugar+potassium nitrate with HTPB binder propellant.

[Anonymous No.11913589]

>>11913574
Or you need something more reactive to go with your HTPB.

[Anonymous No.11913592]

>>11913415
Bridenstine most likely already have him the scoop.
>Mr. President. You’re a business man. And I can tell you right now that this SLS rocket is one of the worst business actions ever undertaken at NASA in recent years. But I suggest we go through with it and complete the bare minimum required by congress because it would cost more to buy out the contracts, and SLS will still be useful until better options become available. We will get boots on the ground for Artemis and you will be remembered like JFK”
Something like that. Big Jim has been the perfect NASA man, and has a good relationship with Trump. And his disdain for SLS shows more and more every time he tweets lmao

[Anonymous No.11913605]

>>11913589
Not sure what I can buy without needing a license nor getting on some FBI watch list. The same online store where I got my HTPB sells ammonium perchlorate, but only in 250lb minimum shipments. Which is far more than I need nor feel safe with.

[Anonymous No.11913608]

>>11913605
Yeah, that amount would probably put you on a watchlist too, lol.
How tight did you pack it?

[Anonymous No.11913633]

>>11913605
Jesus lol. Loving you HTPB bro. Do it and become a tertiary contractor for OmegA

[Anonymous No.11913637]

>>11913608
>How tight did you pack it?
Not very. I was expecting the pre-set mixture to be more pudding-like but instead it came out with the consistency of a slushie. I tried packing it using my thumb, gloved of course, but next time I'm going to get a metal rod for it.

[Anonymous No.11913638]

>>11913633
Or just build sounding rockets with frog capsules.

[Anonymous No.11913643]

>>11913637
I think you need to pack it pretty fucking tight and let it cure, think the consistency of marzipan at least.

[Anonymous No.11913653]

>>11913633
Thanks. I wonder what will happen first, getting a job or getting a motor working.

>>11913638
I'll contract that out to 4ASS. Propulsion is my main interest.

>>11913643
Will keep that in mind.

[Anonymous No.11913654]

>>11913605
>Not obliterating yourself in an AP explosion for science.

[Anonymous No.11913662]

>>11913653
The way this second wave is going. Motor.

[Anonymous No.11913671]

>>11913654
>Ywn be as cool as that physicist who let the screwdriver slip and accidentally made a ball of uranium go critical, dousing himself with lethal radiation in the process

[Anonymous No.11913680]

Wanna put a 4ASS logo on a weather balloon, just afraid if someone finds it they're gonna fuck with it.

[Anonymous No.11913754]

>>11913605
Lmao can you really buy 250lb of ammonium perchlorate with no licence?

[Anonymous No.11913759]

>>11913372
Time's changed brah.

[Anonymous No.11913765]

>>11913754
why the fuck would you need a license? They have your name and address and credit card info now.

[Anonymous No.11913768]

>>11913754
Only if you are either part of a company or part of some legitimate research group. Otherwise you need certification with Tripolli Rocketry.

[Anonymous No.11913795]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMntZ6_R78Q

Cool. Was talking about the curiosity landing yesterday. Google is recording my keystrokes.

[Anonymous No.11913801]

Sandniggers are launching their Mars orbiter soon right?

[Anonymous No.11913808]

When are we likely to see the realization of commercialized space, to the point where an average joe could make money either through trade, stocks, etc.? This whole “we’re commercializing LEO” meme doesn’t seem feasible to me. Maybe Mars will be more profitable because a city will be there? Idk, should we expect Mars to become ACTUALLY commercialized while LEO just has a few private space stations for tourists and rich fags?

[Anonymous No.11913809]

>>11913801
Yup, the 19th at 5:58 PM.

[Anonymous No.11913817]

>>11913808
Commercialising LEO in the near future is a bit of a meme, although there are a few practical things I can think of, being communications, tourism and some zero g manufacturing for specialised products.

[Anonymous No.11913830]

>>11913808
In the future. 2050s-2070s. A jaunt into LEO might be a possible for upper-class people. You have to realize there's gonna be a huge demand for space.

[Anonymous No.11913841]

>>11913830
My post isn't clear. A jaunt into LEO might be possible before then for people with 100k or whatever. Maybe less.

[Anonymous No.11913853]

>>11913817
>>11913841
Any ideas on Mars or is it all speculative? I like the idea of Mars becoming a place for business opportunities, but idk if it will happen. I barely see it happening on the Moon unless Elon/someone else sets up a city there

[Anonymous No.11913873]

>>11913830
starship could lower LEO vacations to like 30k possibly, especially 18 meter version

[Anonymous No.11913879]

>>11913853
Mars will be personally bankrolled by Elon initially, a few billion a synod dumped into it over 30+ years is going to make shit happen really fast, especially with colonists paying for their own tickets. As far as business goes, there will be a lot of universities and such paying for research, raw Martian materials could be shipped back for huge prices that richfags buy (martian stone tiles, pavers, countertops, etc...), shipping back some metals such as gold and rare earths may be viable too although they will probably be used and stored locally. Most of the value in Mars will be in trading locally, not sending things back to earth.

[Anonymous No.11913891]

>>11913879
Yeah, this. Especially if there's an ability to return every two years at will. You could see people doing something like the peace corp there.

>>11913873
Limited launch capability will mean higher prices.

[Anonymous No.11913896]

>>11913891
I really don't see many people doing the return trip. 6 months stacked like sardines in a can getting nuked by radiation is a pretty horrifying concept even for an introvert like me. For most people doing another 6 months to return will be unthinkable.

[Anonymous No.11913901]

>>11913896
To get back to Earth? I'd do it. I love the concept of Mars habitation but I feel it would lose its novelty eventually. Although it depends on the actual conditions on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11913912]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE23w0KcCrI

MOMO

[Anonymous No.11913974]

>>11913891
The starship is supposed to have a far higher cadence then falcon 9.

[Anonymous No.11913984]

>>11913879
Imagine the unbelievable flex that would be a CEO using a slab of Mars rock as a desk

[Anonymous No.11913987]

>>11913974
Yes, but nowhere near the airline cadence that would drive LEO cost to just the cost of fuel and production plus profit.

[Anonymous No.11914008]

I wish HTP wasn't such a nightmare for amateurs to store.

[Anonymous No.11914009]

>>11913987
Maybe if E2E becomes successful but I don’t think that’s gonna happen

[Anonymous No.11914010]

>>11913879
One thing I think people still struggle with is that Mars isn't a money-making venture,it's what is done with the PROCEEDS of money-making ventures. The whole reason we make money is to use it to do things,often that aren't financially necessary. SpaceX could see its profit funneled into a CEO-s bank account to make numbers bigger,or used to do borderline-criminal shit like stock buybacks, but instead it's going to build a whole civilization on another world. The fact that grand,ambitious ventures like this are so rare in corporations is tragic. Someone should figure out an oceanic venture and use it to fund a city deep below the waves. We need to create dreams for ourselves. Meanings.

[Anonymous No.11914011]

>>11913987
disagree

[Anonymous No.11914016]

>>11914010
I disagree. You need to spend money to make money, and there’s money to make in space. LEO and the sea floor are cool for funding your lex luther vanity project, but Mars can actually be utilized. The early settlement with Elon might just be a vacation for him, but if he sets up infrastructure (especially if he does this early on) it might open an opportunity for people to either grow their business, such as mining and exporting, or growing local business like trains and railways if multiple colonies exist and they want to establish an intraplanetary economy

[Anonymous No.11914025]

>>11914016
*money to be made in space
Also this is completely dependent on how successful this Martian colony actually is. If it’s just a little outpost then yeah it’s worthless. But if it can generate goods, it’ll be a goldmine not just for him but for many entrepreneurs.

[Anonymous No.11914030]

>>11914016
That's all true,my main point is that this SpaceX thing is very alien to how things usually work. It's not an "investment" for them to build a city on mars-the money spent doing that never needs to be paid back. The sole goal is to enable the self-reinforcing economic system to grow and establish itself, without giving a fuck about it ever sending money back to SpaceX. I literally can't think of another business doing something like that-dedicating the lion's share of its profits to doing something that isn't just making more money happen. Are there any other businesses doing stuff like this?

[Anonymous No.11914031]

>>11913558
but anon that's been done before

[Anonymous No.11914033]

>>11914008
It's a nightmare to work with in general

[Anonymous No.11914034]

>>11914030
Google supporting Youtube.
In that case though it's to kill video streaming websites that they don't control, of course.

[Anonymous No.11914053]

>>11914008
Do not fall prey to the temptations of the Devil's propellant.

[Anonymous No.11914054]

>>11914030
It's an investment. The business case for hundreds of starships to mars per synod isn't here yet. But have tens of millions living there and you might. There is your market.

SpaceX is a transportation company, if it can create more 'destinations' for its service, it will benefit in the long run.

[Anonymous No.11914064]

>>11913366
>>11913385

[Anonymous No.11914070]

>>11913808
LEO as an economic zone depends on access to the moon, NEAs, Lagrange point stations, and Mars. You'll see space stations in LEO for transshipment to avoid needing to carry Earth reentry shields further out.

[Anonymous No.11914073]

>>11914064
Please don't start this. We're having a productive and cool conversation.

[Anonymous No.11914081]

>>11914064
Okay, there are also pictures of obama&hillary having a good time with weinstein and epstein.
Whats your point?

[Anonymous No.11914083]

>>11913984
Imagine Elon donating one to the White House to replace the Resolute Desk.

[Anonymous No.11914084]

>>11914008
You can't expect something to be both unstable enough to provide good performance as a mono-propellant and stable enough to be storable easily

[Anonymous No.11914086]

>>11914064
I hope you realize the context of this image. Someone cancelled on Obama from ULA or something so he drove across the launch facility to get a quick photo op with Elon. He didn’t give a fuck about spacex and only took this photo because it was literally his last option
>>11914070
LEO is worthless and won’t ever be “commercialized,” but the Moon has potential. I wish Elon committed to building a Moon city first. Seams more reasonable and he could build up support from other companies and NASA. Even a Bezos-Musk funded city would be great, and would allow other companies to follow them to Mars

[Anonymous No.11914099]

>>11914086

Nah, he was going to visit both SpaceX and ULA that day but the ULA trip was cancelled because of safety concerns over a vehicle element. It wasn't "his last resort".

[Anonymous No.11914109]

>>11914081

You're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.11914123]

>>11914109
His "good times" is kind of misplaced, but yeah, i think i have seen some pictures on 4chan where obama and epstein were posing in the same picture, dont now about weinstein&hillary.

[Anonymous No.11914126]

>>11914083
This, or replace one of the speaking podiums with a duplicate carved out of a solid rectangular chunk of Martian basalt, polished to a glossy smooth texture. Every US president who ever makes a speech could lay their bare hands on a giant chunk of stone from another world, brought to Earth by AMERICANS flying AMERICAN rockets paid for with AMERICAN money and built by AMERICAN hands.

[Anonymous No.11914191]

You elon haters are all the same. Musk will turn Mars into an interplanetary city thriving with commerce and trade, there’s literally no argument to be made against it.


Now excuse me while I make a new thread bc this one is dead

[Anonymous No.11914243]

Somebody get this sodium tail out of my night sky

[Anonymous No.11914252]

>>11914243
Salting us all

[Anonymous No.11914259]

>>11914252
t-to eat us?!!!

[Anonymous No.11914277]

>>11914259
The next extinction event

[Anonymous No.11914349]

>>11913671

[Anonymous No.11914358]

>>11914191
Musk is just building an escapist society like an epic edge lord lmao
>>11914277
Comet extinction event? What
>>11914349
10/10

[Anonymous No.11914415]

>>11913574
After some research I found that black powder rockets can be feasible with what I have. Anyone else have any experience with the stuff?

[Anonymous No.11914419]

>>11914191
>make a new thread
Hello newfriend. /sci/ threads decay at about 4 hours per page. A new thread should not be made until page 10, or page 9 at the earliest.
Thank you for lurking moar.

[Anonymous No.11914440]

>>11914419
So, would you say the halflife of /sci/threadium is about 20 hours? The point reached when about half the mass of the thread has decayed into actually interesting discussion by releasing it's extra shitposts?

[Anonymous No.11914447]

depot

[Anonymous No.11914452]

>>11914447
>You sonofabitch! Nationalize this man immediately!

[Anonymous No.11914453]

>>11913809
GMT or ET?

[Anonymous No.11914455]

>>11914447
YOU RASCAL!

[Anonymous No.11914461]

>>11914452
haha

[Anonymous No.11914550]

Another clear night for stargazing but I can't see anything below 45 degrees because I live in the woods. I have a great telescope but have never seen a planet with it because they stay too close to the horizon. sad

[Anonymous No.11914564]

>>11914453
ET

>>11914550
Holy shit, kino photo.
Use this:
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/

The ecliptic is higher during the winter, although jupiter and saturn both are 43 degrees above the horizon so I hope you weren't too precise. What telescope?

[Anonymous No.11914589]

would you go to mars as a colonist /sfg/?

If yes,
>do you want to be able to come back after some period of time?
>at what population value would you want to go over at?
>do you have other requirements?
>would you want to go over as part of some government run colony, or a private corp one
>what would you go over for (science, manual labour, tourist, etc)
>how comfortable would you really be riding in something like starship, living in domes/underground?

[Anonymous No.11914603]

>>11914589
Yes
Yes (at least having the option)
Several thousand
It'd be nice if the rate of habitat volume construction was starting to lag behind the rate of materials production, letting a wider variety of larger scale projects to start
Private because shit would get done
I'd go over to work 60 hour weeks running equipment and visiting the playground on my time off, and if I had a girlfriend there with me I'd COOOM inside her unprotected vagina a lot also
I live in a small apartment in a concrete jungle, if anything Mars would be more comfortable. As for Starship, depends on if I can handle zero G or not I guess. Living in a 3 cubic meter bunk space en route wouldn't be an issue.

[Anonymous No.11914614]

>>11914589
>Yes, at least I would want the option available
>Preferably early, although having a couple hundred or thousand people already there makes it feel more cozy
>Mmmm I’ll miss baseball but if I could get the games recorded, or at least with a 10 min delay, I’d be happy
>I don’t care who sends me, I just want to work
>I would go for geology. I would love to mine for resources or study the structural data to help make safe landing pads on solid ground
>Starship isn’t even that bad. I mean you could get stuck with shitty neighbors on your flight, but six months in zero g isn’t that bad. Once you’re in orbit your small little cubby room feels bigger cause you can float and utilize every cubic inch. As for living in a domed city... fucking comfy. Id love to have the ability to do EVA’s and ride around in cars as part of my work though

[Anonymous No.11914636]

>>11914589
Yes, in a god damn heartbeat
Small population ~hundreds
Geologist to learn Mars’ secrets, and probably learn martian construction/repairs to help build shit out in the field

[Anonymous No.11914655]

Good question

>would you go to mars as a colonist /sfg/?
Yes

>do you want to be able to come back after some period of time?
Yes, although I'd be fine with 5-10 years if the work was engaging.

>at what population value would you want to go over at?
hundreds

>do you have other requirements?
I'd love a sports center and ample EVA opportunity.

>would you want to go over as part of some government run colony, or a private corp one
Don't really care.

>what would you go over for (science, manual labour, tourist, etc)
Would love to be some kind of Earth-Mars Liaison officer, or coordinating ops between colonies. Majoring in International Affairs with a hope to get into the space policy field right now. Who knows though. Would obviously be fine with doing anything.

>how comfortable would you really be riding in something like starship, living in domes/underground?
As long as I can stretch my legs and there's a decently big common area. Bunks are only gonna be for sleeping anyway. For the colony, Single person dorms are fine. Would want some above ground shit. I'm on mars, not a salt mine.

[Anonymous No.11914679]

>>11914589
Hard to say, which I guess means I'd want the option
Probably ~1000-10000
Needs to be at the point where personal spaces are standard and things being built are beyond just necessities
Not really sure how the colony(ies) will take shape, I guess government because they tend to have the most 'reasonable' setups bit if muskville is a proper city then why not
I'm a software engineer so I'm pretty sure all my work could be done remotely. Maybe I could switch to more engineering management roles there? All the same shit at the end of the day.
Regardless of how safe I know planes are I still get a little nervous boarding one, so I imagine a rocket flight would be an order of magnitude worse. As for living in habs, don't think I'd have an issue. I hardly go outside as it is, pretty adaptable to my environment too, no emotional issues of being isolated or something

[Anonymous No.11914709]

I feel like ol’ musky boy is going to have a hard time recruiting. I suspect he’s going to get a LOT of califags who have the money to spend, but these are the same people who cried when quarantine started cause they can’t stand being in their house. I unironically think a majority of us faggots on /sfg/ would make for ideal citizens, at least when it comes to competent people who can handle working for the rest of their lives doing science or maintanence offworld

[Anonymous No.11914736]

>>11914589
Yes, I would.
I would like to have the option, but I may just end up permanently living there.
I'd say like a few thousand at most.
For other requirements, I'd say give me a suit that emulates my earth weight so I don't have bone loss from not doing enough exercise.
As for who runs it, as long as it's not well, part of a parasitic tribe that even Elon's accidentally called out, I don't care.
I would be happy to help scientific causes.
I would be pretty happy in a starship, but as long as my habitat isn't brittle (aka proonting) and I have room, I'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.11914745]

>>11914709
I believe so. However, he will be relocating to Texas, so I believe he'll definitely find some hardened, yet brainy trailer dwellers.

[Anonymous No.11914747]

>>11914589
No.

1. They'd never take me
2. I've read the Martian Chronicles, mars is some deep shit.

[Anonymous No.11914827]

what if i brought a closed jar terrarium to mars

[Anonymous No.11914837]

>>11914655
Hey bro, I'm hoping to help kickstart the field of space psychology. Does that interest you at all? I'm looking for some like-minded people to maybe coauthor some papers with me.

[Anonymous No.11914844]

>>11914837
I've got zero experience in the field. But you're welcome to post any stuff. I check here often enough. And these threads could use some discussion.

What's your plans with space psych?

[Anonymous No.11914846]

>>11914844
*field of psych

[Anonymous No.11914938]

>>11914589
>would you go to mars as a colonist /sfg/?
Yes.
>do you want to be able to come back after some period of time?
No, I plan to follow the first colonists to ceres to help establish the outpost there, and eventually to settle down in either one of the oceanic galilean moons or titan.
>at what population value would you want to go over at?
Mid tens of thousands of people (30-60k).
>do you have other requirements?
No.
>would you want to go over as part of some government run colony, or a private corp one
Private.
>what would you go over for (science, manual labour, tourist, etc)
Exploration, mining.
>how comfortable would you really be riding in something like starship, living in domes/underground?
I'd get a bit cramped in starship for 6 months but I could handle it. I'd be fine living underground as long as I have a reasonable amount of space and easy access to the surface.

[Anonymous No.11914983]

hop hop

[Anonymous No.11914999]

Biden will cut NASA except climate change and "get minorities into stem" programs.

[Anonymous No.11915009]

>>11914999
Painfully obvious that you're a paid shill.

[Anonymous No.11915017]

Where did this meme come from that Trump cares about space and Biden doesn't? No president cares about space exploration since Kennedy. Trump showed up for a photo OP during the SpaceX crew demo launch and that's it. He never talks about it.
The most recent developments in space travel have all been in private companies, not government contracts.

[Anonymous No.11915021]

>>11915017
he created the space force dude
he told mike pence to push for a moon landing by 2024
he reestablished the national space council

meanwhile biden doesn't because it's not politically convenient for him to care about space so he has no reason to

[Anonymous No.11915025]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE23w0KcCrI

MOMO launch in 30

[Anonymous No.11915027]

>>11914999
Biden will follow in Obama's footsteps and kill SLS. The current SLS will still fly, maybe another one too, but block 1b never. Artemis will be retooled for a LOP-G and Biden will launch the Ares program to go to Mars.

[Anonymous No.11915033]

>>11915027
SpaceX started under Obama. Artemis and Commercial Crew started under him.

[Anonymous No.11915036]

>>11915027
>Biden will follow in Obama's footsteps and kill SLS.
good. Let SpaceX and BO take over.

[Anonymous No.11915042]

>>11915025
When did Japan turn around and become cool? They were fucking insane in WWII but now they’re best buds. China went from being okay-ish to our mortal enemy.

Love JAXA though they’re great

[Anonymous No.11915044]

>>11915021
>he created the space force dude
Objectively wrong. Air Force Space Command was around since the 1980s, it was inevitable that they would become their own independent entity.
Trump didn't "create" anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force#History

[Anonymous No.11915045]

>>11914999
The DNC's public elder abuse that is Biden's "campaign" will not get them the presidency.

[Anonymous No.11915046]

>>11915027
If Biden launches a mars program then great but I doubt he would. If he’s anything like Obama he’ll just keep SLS but cancel Artemis while funding more “climate observatories”.

[Anonymous No.11915051]

>>11914589
I've picked up enough rad damage thus far that what I want is basically irrelevant. I will not be going to Mars.

>>11915044
This is some "Obama economy'" level cope. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11915058]

>>11915051
I swear if Biden wins and cancels Artemis watch every NuSpace you tuber and twitter personality defending it.

>Scott Manley makes a video explaining how having more climate observatories is better than a manned moon landing
>Robert Zubrin says that this will make us focus on Mars...again.

[Anonymous No.11915065]

>>11915033
SpaceX's first break was under Bush when they won COTS. Obama expanded it to CCDev and SpaceX shone from there. Trump's contribution is to not cancel it.

[Anonymous No.11915068]

>>11915042
Unironically, it was the nukes.
When somebody drops wrath-of-God-in-a-can on you twice, it kind of forces your government and entire culture to collectively re-assess what the fuck is going on with themselves.
For a more general context of the impact of the atom bomb, please refer to this review of the Chrysler PT Cruiser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxqtnI4I4c

[Anonymous No.11915076]

>>11915065
Trump also has been a big proponent of encouraging NASA to invest wherever makes it possible/more likely to actually put a moon base on the Moon, including SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11915085]

>>11915058
No need to defend it. The only people looking forward to Artemis is oldspace boomers or those on the republican Jobs Program that is SLS.

[Anonymous No.11915086]

Trying to stray away from the politics here and ask a question:
Let’s say that the entire Constellation program got axed, including Orion. No SLS to be found. Would we even be getting Artemis now? Pence is most likely pushing it to The Don because it’s already on the table, and Big Jim has to defend SLS because it’s on his audits for spending. Now if we pretend SLS didn’t exist, would Trump be throwing money at Starship and New Glenn (or other companies) to get to the Moon?
Personally I don’t think so. But what do y’all think the current state of NASA would be if we didn’t have SLS being churned out like molasses?

[Anonymous No.11915092]

>>11915085
>Republican Jobs Program
Its a Shelby Jobs Program, and you'll rarely find Democrats against Jobs Programs unless they contribute to the reelection chances of a strategic Senator.

[Anonymous No.11915096]

>>11915076
Right now that plan is to rehash Apollo 8 and 11, anything about moon base has been push backed. All because they need to make sure they have boots on the moon before 2025.

[Anonymous No.11915114]

lets just build an alderson disk bro

[Anonymous No.11915115]

>>11915086
>Now if we pretend SLS didn’t exist, would Trump be throwing money at Starship and New Glenn (or other companies) to get to the Moon?
Yes.
<politics>
Trump wants to make America great again, and to be seen making America great again. That means big, unifying accomplishments like Apollo to show the world, and each other, that we are still the most powerful nation in the history of the species. Trump also hates Obama's black Muslim guts, and takes violent glee in undoing the effects of King Banana's two terms. Obama killed the Shuttle, and so Trump practically threw Elon a Roman triumph for DM-2. The only reason it's not in campaign ads is because of regulations around active duty astronauts and political media. Had SLS been killed outright that effect would be magnified because we'd have had nothing at all in the pipeline.
</politics>
Now granted if SLS had been killed we'd be even more up shit creek than we already are because all that expertise starts degrading the moment the pink slips go out and half the astronauts would have rage quit.

[Anonymous No.11915121]

>>11915009
Do you think people get paid for complaining?

[Anonymous No.11915133]

I made some webms for you /sfg/

[Anonymous No.11915135]

[Anonymous No.11915142]

>>11915133
>>11915135
gifs

[Anonymous No.11915145]

[Anonymous No.11915149]

Bush killed Shuttle anon. Obama only killed Constellation. Keep your facts right.

[Anonymous No.11915153]

>>11915149
>retired in 2011

[Anonymous No.11915158]

When the fuck is the static fire? I thought it was supposed to be this weekend.

[Anonymous No.11915167]

Surely Elon will use the Moon as a hotbed for testing a bunch of shit for a Mars colony right? I mean it would make sense, or is he going balls to the wall and just sending all his stuff to Mars with little attention for the Moon aside from Artemis?

[Anonymous No.11915181]

>>11911758
the Obama admin is the one responsible for commercial crew, why would Biden cut it?

[Anonymous No.11915183]

>>11915167
The latter. Elon wants to go to Mars. Moon is also cool and he‘ll send some stuff there if that‘s Nasa‘s focus. But SpaceX main focus is Mars.

[Anonymous No.11915189]

>>11915167
I'm sure they will try to learn as much as they can but the moon is so different from Mars you can't draw too many comparisons for testing.
Landing on Earth is probably a better analog for landing on Mars, and a lot of the ground equipment stuff can just be tested on Earth as well.

[Anonymous No.11915196]

I’ve been thinking about how spaceX’s earth to earth transport using starship would work. Inland spaceports also make me rock hard. How would one design an inland spaceport to have the highest throughput and quickest unloading, turnarounds, and departures possible?

[Anonymous No.11915205]

>>11915196
Like an airport but it's in the middle of nowhere and the passengers have to be bussed 2 miles from the terminal to the rocket and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.11915227]

>>11915153
>Not knowing about Bush's Vision for Space Exploration
The state of /sci/ nowadays

[Anonymous No.11915231]

>>11915196
Depends on how much infrastructure you're willing to build, but I bet you could build a spaceport in the middle of bumfuck nowhere (like west texas) but have hyperloops that take you to the city.
Idk how fast trains can go though so idk if this would be feasible. Also not trying to shill for hyperloop

[Anonymous No.11915273]

New Elongrad soldiers fording the 4ASS pisslock circa 2080, colorized

[Anonymous No.11915292]

>>11915158
Hopefully Monday but I’d rather have a delayed fire than an exploded Starship.

[Anonymous No.11915341]

>>11915085
>Don’t go to the moon!
>We need more climate observatories!

I hate SLS but it’s likely that Artemis will rely on Starship anyway at this point. Starship IS mostly tested in terms of what’s needed for a lunar landing. If SpaceX was paid to do so, they’d build an expendable starship at probably a price of under that of a Falcon Heavy.

[Anonymous No.11915428]

why are people addicted with ceres

[Anonymous No.11915438]

>>11915428
best cocaine and hookers in the system
>belt brahs unite

[Anonymous No.11915455]

>>11915273
Pisslock is better than airlock

[Anonymous No.11915467]

trans-humanist titan AIs

[Anonymous No.11915472]

just relocate ur solar system brah

[Anonymous No.11915477]

>>11915341
You're forgetting NASA can't make that decision, congress does.

[Anonymous No.11915482]

Starlink user terminal unboxing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaqO-rup65w
Pretty comfy
(Yes this breaks NDA so watch out before it gets taken down).

[Anonymous No.11915496]

>>11915482
s p a c e t h o t s

[Anonymous No.11915510]

>>11914008
I know that feel, I'll probably go with N2O because I fear 600c oxygen if HTP decomposes but that ISP is tempting.

[Anonymous No.11915517]

>>11915292
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.11915545]

>>11915482
The dish is bigger than I expected. And I can't believe she didn't read the NDA. Or is she allowed to do this as it's under control since she's an employee?

[Anonymous No.11915560]

>>11915545
I think it's under control, or else this video would've already been taken down

[Anonymous No.11915622]

>>11913912
pad abort
>This concludes the launch of today's "Screw Rocket". We will inform you of the details of the cancellation of the launch and future developments.

btw, these guys are such memelords. They literally painted the fairing of their "screw rocket" to be the Drill that Pierces the Heavens!

[Anonymous No.11915625]

>>11914053
I thought that was Fluorine (or is that the devil's oxidizer?)

[Anonymous No.11915626]

>>11915622
What the hell do you expect from a bunch of otaku that used Hatsune Miku as the countdown voice for one of their launches? They're having fun with their ethalox project at least.

[Anonymous No.11915642]

>>11915017
even Kennedy didn't care about space. He and the nation desperately cared about beating the Soviets and publicly demonstrating dominance in space, but it took the threat posed by Sputnik to make it happen.

Now China is our space rival. We'll push an actual crewed mission (not just cheerleading like Artemis) when China makes an attempt.

[Anonymous No.11915664]

>>11915642
Right. If he hadn't died so suddenly, people wouldn't have taken that speech as a challenge to the nation.

[Anonymous No.11915707]

>>11915545
Plebbit it has confirmed they got takedown requests from SpaceX over the video lol

[Anonymous No.11915714]

>>11915625
I don't think any rocket has used pure fluorine as an oxidizer, it's tendency to breech it's own holding tanks and spontaneously explode into flame make it nearly impossible to handle safely.

[Anonymous No.11915724]

>>11915714
Are the fires pretty, though?

[Anonymous No.11915738]

>>11915714
https://history.nasa.gov/conghand/propelnt.htm
There have been experiments.

[Anonymous No.11915745]

>>11915724
That depends on the fuel really.

[Anonymous No.11915769]

>>11915482
if we don't hear anything about Jesse for next launch then it's a RIP.

[Anonymous No.11915778]

~4 hours until the UAE Mars anal probe launch stream goes live.

[Anonymous No.11915824]

>>11915482
>That music

[Anonymous No.11915859]

>>11915482
Sexy, Starlink and her voice.

[Anonymous No.11915861]

>>11915009
Right side should be DA JOOOOOOOZ

[Anonymous No.11915865]

>>11915482
Mirror when?

[Anonymous No.11915872]

>>11914844
I'll start posting here more often, good idea. It could be helpful to grassroots this a bit from sone anons.
I lurk too much, but I'll probably post in the next thread. Thanks for the idea!

[Anonymous No.11915881]

>>11915865
>>>/wsg/3552412

[Anonymous No.11915904]

>>11915482
Leddit got multiple requests to take this down. All posts referencing the video removed. Shit got serious.

[Anonymous No.11915920]

>>11915482
>SpaceX professional webhost does unboxing video.
>Oh no, take it down!
Fucking seriously? She was given permission. Salty ass haha crying because she has it and they don't.

[Anonymous No.11915926]

>>11915181
Trumpfags are delusional. They think Trump created Commercial Crew, Artemis, SpaceX and Apollo.

[Anonymous No.11915933]

>>11915482
>dumb roastie spends more time filming herself than the thing the video is about

[Anonymous No.11915959]

>>11915724
>>11915738
Anything like that is probably in "Ignition!"
If there was a /sfg/ book list, it would have to be at the top.
https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf

[Anonymous No.11915970]

>>11915872
Great, its surprising how helpful this board can be when focused. I needed some help with an assignment on Columbia and we had a 12 hour discussion on how shit the shuttle was.

[Anonymous No.11915988]

>>11915042
Yeah they're cool. Most are really nice too. Writing someones constitution does something to a country.

>>11915142
>>11915145
Based and Saved.

[Anonymous No.11916008]

Lunar Development Conference on NOW!!

Register here:
http://www.moonsociety.org/ldc/?fbclid=IwAR3q2d0Z-N41Qbh0UChiGi1G5fES3-v9YEs2UeMtdQ3EgBcCF0l6K7E6MfQ

Free for students, they'll send you an e-mail. Masten CEO in attendance.

[Anonymous No.11916032]

>>11915292
monday will be fueling tests, but no static fire, which will come later in the week. hop by the end of the week if all goes well

[Anonymous No.11916064]

>>11916032
>hop by the end of the week if all goes well
I remember reading this somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11916112]

>>11916008
why does it have a mcmansion floorplan

[Anonymous No.11916139]

>>11915042
Japan was cool with the west ever since first contact. Leading up to WW2 they wanted to dominate the asian pacific with their navy, america would be in the way eventually so they decided to start shit and get hit. WW2 imperial navy japan worrd conqueru was a major deviation from business as usual.

[Anonymous No.11916163]

[Anonymous No.11916171]

>>11916112
Dunno which McMansion has a centrifuge.

>>11916139
Not really. They had their war with the russians and kicked out the west at first. Also their war with china led to sanctions and they realized they had to be self sufficient. Rest of your story is right though. They were on the Allies in WW1.

[Anonymous No.11916174]

Geo bros. GET THE FUCK IN HERE NOW!!!
REGOLITH TIME

[Anonymous No.11916221]

>>11916174
lol no

[Anonymous No.11916320]

>>11915625
The Devil's Venom was a mixture of red fuming nitric acid and nitrogen tetroxide if I'm remembering that correctly, and it was used as part of a hypergolic propellant combo in a few Soviet missiles. That shit would eat through tanks over several months.

>>11915714
Fluorine is actually quite storeable inside tanks made of normal materials, as long as you blow a bit of low concentration fluorine gas through first. The fluorine reacts with the tank walls of form insoluble metal fluorides that prevent further corrosive attack. A regular old mild steel drum could contain liquid fluorine indefinitely as long as you kept it cold so that it wouldn't rupture from internal pressure.

The problem with using fluorine as an oxidizer (ignoring the toxic combustion products) is the fact that basically any metal interacts with fluorine either the same way oxygen interacts with magnesium or the same way oxygen interacts with potassium/sodium. That is to say, you're either a hot spark away from an uncontrollable metal-fluorine fire, or you just immediately get a metal-fluorine fire with no spark necessary. Think of trying to build a stainless steel rocket engine that pumps fluorine as being similar to trying to build a magnesium rocket engine that pumps oxygen. If everything goes right, and nothing gets too hot anywhere, it could work. If a bit of debris goes into the engine, hits the impeller, and gets that spot of metal hot enough to react with the surrounding concentrated oxidizer, then it's all over. Also, you can go ahead and forget about the more advanced combustion cycles, like full flow staged combustion. I doubt even the most arcane metallurgy on Earth could handle the conditions inside a high pressure fluorine rich preburner.

If you really really wanted to build an engine that used fluorine you'd probably be stuck needing to develop an engine that used nothing but fluoride based ceramic pipes and parts.

[Anonymous No.11916377]

Was that NRO Minotaur the only launch this month? Been fucking scrub city this whole month. I just wanna watch something launch.

[Anonymous No.11916395]

>>11916377
first US launch this month. Everything else delayed or scrubbed.
But 7th worldwide, though two failures (Electron and Kuaizhou-11 debut). Other launches were three Chinese and one surprise Israel launch, none of which had livestreams.

[Anonymous No.11916397]

>>11916377
JAXA launch in 90 mins

[Anonymous No.11916421]

>>11916397
Is there a stream?

[Anonymous No.11916428]

>>11916421
wrong picture

[Anonymous No.11916434]

>>11916421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twcVymNjYwU&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.11916447]

>>11916395
Oh yeah, Electron. Seems like ages ago.

>>11916397
Yup. Wishing the Emiratis luck.

[Anonymous No.11916472]

>>11914415
You'll need a ball mill, and a hydraulic press. Can be done with a hammer but I wouldn't recommend it as I've had one ignite and thankfully it just shot out the dowel I was using to press the powder and kept burning. Take a look at whistle and strobe rocket fuels as their much higher thrust but hammering those is a death wish

[Anonymous No.11916478]

>>11913643
Correct, you need an actual press to get good consistency in the burn

[Anonymous No.11916488]

>>11916434
Thank you sir!

[Anonymous No.11916500]

Woah, this is a funky idea

[Anonymous No.11916504]

>>11916500
fuck are those?

[Anonymous No.11916506]

>>11916500
What?

[Anonymous No.11916519]

>>11916504
>>11916506
Light reflection towers to provide power to eternally shaded depressions on the North Pole

https://www.transastracorp.com/home.html
Lots of paper ideas and patents. They've got a partnership with BO. Dude says they have a memorandum of understanding.

[Anonymous No.11916550]

>>11916519
Seems like it would make more sense to put big mirrors in Lunasynchronous orbits at that point. No matter what mass scale you're working with you can use more of the budget for mirror and less for supporting structure.

[Anonymous No.11916569]

>>11916550
It's for polar regions of the moon. How would that work?

[Anonymous No.11916585]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/06/three-men-jailed-for-25m-light-aircraft-cocaine-drop-in-kent

Wtf, the moon society president smuggles coke.

[Anonymous No.11916587]

>>11916397
>Live in 67 minutes
I think you were off by an hour, it says 0640 JST on the card, and my Tokyo Time clock (gotta watch muh live music streams) says it's 0535 right now. (Japan doesn't use summer time)

[Anonymous No.11916590]

>>11916585
It’s Moon Dust officer

[Anonymous No.11916596]

>>11916550
>big mirrors in Lunasynchronous orbits
If you want to light up the poles, could you use statites? I'm still kinda annoyed nobody has tried a statite yet.
Even fucking google didn't know the word when I searched for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statite

[Anonymous No.11916598]

>>11916587
Yeah, youtube is telling me that it's live in one minute. cba converting time zones

[Anonymous No.11916605]

>>11916598
I have it open in youtube and it says 57:33 and counting down on VymNjYwU, are you on the same link?

[Anonymous No.11916607]

>>11916587
The mitsubishi stream says 58 more minutes.
>>11916434

[Anonymous No.11916614]

>>11916607
Is there another stream? Would you mind sharing?

[Anonymous No.11916615]

>>11916596
You don't wanna light up the whole south pole or you sublimate the water ice. The towers are a decent solution. and the height challenge is made easier by lunar gravity. Still at the limits of feasibility.

[Anonymous No.11916617]

>>11916614
NSF stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsh4bQ52zY

Estronaut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgDx9A0f0cM

Clicking on any of these streams will cost a $5 gratuity fee however.

[Anonymous No.11916620]

>>11916617
>gratuity fee
Wut? This is the first I've ever heard of such a thing on Youtube.
>Estronaut
On the other hand, it would make me gay to click on either of those, so I won't.

[Anonymous No.11916621]

>>11916605
The countdown changed but it still says 2:40pm for me (7 minutes ago). Don't know why

[Anonymous No.11916641]

>>11916519
Oh okay, I thought it was meant to be some kind of launch system because of the mention of payload fraction

[Anonymous No.11916642]

>>11916620
Kek. I'm just fucking with you for spoonfeeding you links. Click away, it's free.

[Anonymous No.11916643]

Every time NSF mentions Elon or Starship, take a shot

[Anonymous No.11916651]

>>11916550
>Lunasynchronous orbits
They don't exist

[Anonymous No.11916658]

>reddit deleting every starlink leak
thats why you post leaks on an image board

[Anonymous No.11916685]

>>11916500
those aren't novel. they do things like that in europe.

[Anonymous No.11916710]

>>11916685
Yeah, but on the moon it's another story.

[Anonymous No.11916713]

>>11916658
Reddit is just a corporate PR front now

[Anonymous No.11916718]

>Tesla crashes into probes on route to Mars

[Anonymous No.11916734]

arab mission control is the exact opposite of comfy

[Anonymous No.11916738]

These look like the official streams

https://youtu.be/Bhop5KkZmXU

https://youtu.be/iLcRd_RZ3Eg

[Anonymous No.11916741]

>>11916738
And this looks like the official Japanese stream
https://youtu.be/5ydj6s3uDD4

[Anonymous No.11916752]

>>11916741
this one looks fairly official too but hasn't started yet
>>11916434

[Anonymous No.11916753]

>>11916713
>now

[Anonymous No.11916754]

This is the official stream that NSF is using:

https://youtu.be/RrIc7ZlwbgE

Seems to have the best quality and update to date info

[Anonymous No.11916784]

Why would anyone watch the everysoy estronaut?

[Anonymous No.11916802]

>>11916734
It looks like the ships bridge from a sci fi show^^

[Anonymous No.11916804]

Why did nips fall for the hydrologs + solids meme?

[Anonymous No.11916808]

>>11916784
I don't like his streams but the regular videos are well-researched

[Anonymous No.11916816]

>>11916804
Nips have to import just about 100% of their oil. RP-1 is expensive enough in Japan that unless you're doing reuse it's not worth it. If Elon develops a Sabatier box he'll sell them to the nips for on-the-ground energy usage and make gorillions of dollars, and then they'll go in on methalox.

[Anonymous No.11916823]

Even if there's a hold, they should put up a countdown on the stream.

[Anonymous No.11916825]

>>11916808
They're also all a million hours long for no reason

[Anonymous No.11916830]

>>11916804
The dominant method of approaching rocket launch for the past many decades has been to optimize for Isp to the point of ignoring any drawbacks. The Soviets had it right when they instead reached for improving engine TWR with dense propellants.

[Anonymous No.11916832]

>multiple missions to mars being launched around the same time
This should be a regular thing.

[Anonymous No.11916844]

The HII-A is the rocket with the second highest payload launched by the Japanese.
The HII-B is a widened variant with 4 SRBs that launches resupply missions to the ISS.
>tfw no Japanese manned launches
They could manrate HII-B almost trivially I think.

Imagine a world serious about space where Japan and ESA/Arianespace also had LEO human-rated vehicles.

[Anonymous No.11916845]

>Mars has a dozen active missions on it right now
Can we get this kind of love for other planets too?

[Anonymous No.11916848]

>>11916845
Venus is literally hell and everywhere else requires a fuckload of delta-v to reach

[Anonymous No.11916856]

>>11916845
I want a bunch of rovers exploring the Moon to get HD pics from all over the surface including the caves that have been found

[Anonymous No.11916857]

Imagine if Saudi Arabia used it's trillions in oil wealth on spaceflight instead of stupid shit like luxury cars, drugs, and whores.

[Anonymous No.11916864]

Everyone in the space operations center looks like they're under the age of 40.

[Anonymous No.11916866]

>>11916844
>They could manrate HII-B almost trivially I think.
They could, but that would be more expensive than buying rideshares from SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11916875]

>>11916866
I guess I just like the idea of redundancy. Relying on Soyuz alone for 8 years meant we were just one russian fuck up from de-manning the ISS

[Anonymous No.11916877]

T-10 minutes

https://youtu.be/5ydj6s3uDD4

[Anonymous No.11916879]

the japanese stream is very comfy
>rocketo boosta

[Anonymous No.11916881]

I like the paint scheme, the yellowy aircraft primer reminds me of the T-65s from SW...

[Anonymous No.11916884]

>>11916881
JAXA has best space waifu

[Anonymous No.11916886]

Tanegashima Uchuu Sentaa

[Anonymous No.11916892]

>>11916875
Starliner and Dreamchaser are both complete failures so don't underestimate the difficulty of capsule design.

[Anonymous No.11916899]

>>11916877
>PAYLORD SYSTEM READY

[Anonymous No.11916900]

Why the fuck are nips live counting down 5 minutes out?

[Anonymous No.11916911]

>>11916900
The episode OP will play before the launch

[Anonymous No.11916917]

>>11916911
>every Japanese launch has an anime opening
why isnt this a thing?

[Anonymous No.11916919]

>Every time MY space waifu speaks

[Anonymous No.11916933]

Water suppression has kicked in.

[Anonymous No.11916934]

Good luck to the arabs, it would be more impressive if they could supply a stable stream though.

[Anonymous No.11916935]

Dunno why, but the sandpeople make it super awkward, like 5 minutes before they were cutting to a close up on like the only gril in the room and just slowly zooming out of her face for like 30 seconds. Like wtf it's so strange, like 2000s tv shows running at 4am.

[Anonymous No.11916938]

>>11916934
Nip stream is good

[Anonymous No.11916940]

LIFTOFF

[Anonymous No.11916942]

>>11916938
Yeah, but interlaced as fuck.

[Anonymous No.11916951]

Booster separation is good! Off to orbit!

[Anonymous No.11916953]

Not impressed by the cameras, or lack thereof. Guess we've been spoiled by SpaceX and Rocketlabs and the like.

[Anonymous No.11916956]

No onboard camera stream? Come on Japan

[Anonymous No.11916958]

New
>>11916954

[Anonymous No.11916962]

>2020
>only ground-based cameras
?????????????????????

[Anonymous No.11916967]

>>11916962
Japanese still use fax machines and flip phones, go figure

[Anonymous No.11917127]

>>11916967
>fax
Faxes are still used throughout the country in businesses. Its a must have. There are no better way to directly print shit with a single number.

>flip phones
When your flip phones can do more useful things than iPhone can, then they're still vaild.