/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11904290]

why have we stopped sending poeple to the moon, did it become more difficult or did we simply loose all motivation?

[Anonymous No.11904294]

>>11904290
no funding

[Anonymous No.11904301]

>>11904290
The only reason the US went to the moon at the time was to show off. Once that mission was done, it lost almost all motivation to go to space. Leaving NASA with not only a substantially reduced budget, but also with a management system that only works with high budgets.

[Anonymous No.11904315]

>>11904290
We foolishly stopped following Nazi science, luckily a new racist obsessed with rockets and space is taking us back.

[Anonymous No.11904656]

>>11904315
in fear of asking a stupid question, who? a lot of countries are cobbling together space agencies nowadays

[Anonymous No.11905197]

>>11904290
It costs a ton of money and we need more aircraft carriers.

[Anonymous No.11905212]

>>11904290
The latter. Why go to the moon to do some fucking geology? There's no resources you can get there you can't get it on earth cheaper and easier.

[Anonymous No.11905218]

Do Americans still believes that they went to the moon? Wow they really are stupid.

[Anonymous No.11905396]

>>11904290
In one interview of Freeman Dyson, he says that the space program is very successful in the robotic side of it, and human exploration is not really needed anymore.

[Anonymous No.11905408]

>>11905396
>human exploration is not really needed anymore

[Anonymous No.11905423]

>>11905408
Yes, let's waste hundreds of billions to send a couple of astronauts to dig a ditch. A robot is good enough for the science that can be done there.

[Anonymous No.11905426]

>>11905423
>Yes, let's waste hundreds of billions to send a couple of astronauts to dig a ditch.
Which is something a supposedly "cheaper and better" robot can't do reliably.

>A robot is good enough for the science that can be done there.
Except for the experiments that failed because the robot couldn't set them up properly nor fix them.

[Anonymous No.11905446]

>>11905426
You can send a dozen robotic missions to the moon for the cost of a manned mission. If a couple of them screw up, that's ok, you have a bunch more to come.

[Anonymous No.11905449]

>>11905426
And humanity is really missing out on the science gleaned from a few experiments on the rock. The dollar/science output of a manned mission is way too high to be of any use.

[Anonymous No.11905459]

>>11905446
The Apollo program cost about $120 billion in current dollars. If each robotic mission costs half a billion (NASA's LADEE costs about $280 million but it's not going to land on the surface), that gives you 240 robotic missions for the price of the 11 manned Apollo missions.

[Anonymous No.11905686]

>>11905408

This might also be somewhat strenuous work for a human, once one factors in the space suit and other ergonomic issues. I realize that picking a spot and driving a pin is much easier for a human than a bot, given the right tools, but then it's a different world and I want to call attention to the frailty of humans with a useful anecdote.

During Apollo 15, David Scott and Jim Irwin were going extra-hard, picking up rocks, driving the car, driving pins, shit like that. In the course of all this, Irwin developed serious heart condition. Ironically, he was in an ideal environment, breathing pure oxygen, under low gravity, and under constant monitoring.

[Anonymous No.11905712]

>>11905423
Man, you're one boring fucker

[Anonymous No.11905721]

>>11905446
You can do more with one manned mission than a dozen robot missions. If something goes awry with the procedure, then the mission isn't forced to be on hold for months while valuable work is lost. Stop thinking small scale, and start thinking large scale.

[Anonymous No.11905722]

>>11904290
>loose all motivation
the '60s race perfected the ICBMs, so once the cold war propaganda buzz was over there was no motive to continue

[Anonymous No.11905724]

>>11904656
He is probably refering to Elon Musk & his SpaceX company, though Ol'Musky of course has never said anything overtly racist. But he is a white South African. Anyways, if you haven't been following the space scene, SpaceX has been plowing ahead of everyone else in rocketry - their Falcon 9 is the cheapest (per kg) way to orbit, their Falcon Heavy is the most powerful rocket currently flying, their Starlink network has more active satellites than China & Russia together, and they recently embarrassed Boeing by having their man-rated capsule being ready to launch astronauts first, despite Boeing getting a fuck-ton more money.

And then they have their Starship rocket under development, which if they get working at anywhere near their estimated prices will just shit on everything else in the market. If it works they will be able to sell NASA manned rides to the Moon for less than current price of sending an unmanned rover. If they get it working of course; there are no guarantees with this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.11905740]

>>11905721

Robotic arms and other devices have proven safer and more effective for the usual rendezvous/assembly orbital tasks, notwithstanding the routine ISS EVAs. The idea of an astronaut floating free in space on a rad jetpack to actually do work was totally abandoned after the MMU tests. Still, there is some SICK footage of one MMU guy slowly approaching a spinning satellite, the gravitation of his balls slowly drawing the object towards himself.

Personally, I blame Canada for building such a good Canadarm.

[Anonymous No.11906584]

>>11904294
Also known as Nixon.

[Anonymous No.11906605]

>>11905218
Most moonhoaxers are American, so yes they are really stupid

[Anonymous No.11906608]

>>11904294
fpbp

IT'S MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

Capitalism, boys.

[Anonymous No.11906650]

>>11905724
I'd post an image showing why Leidos will never come through with their lander but I've been banned twice for doing so. Let's just say the company is much more interested in social science than actual science. While companies like them dick around playing political and social games, SpaceX gets things done because they are actually interested in space instead of space being an excuse for existing.

[Anonymous No.11906654]

>>11906584

We went to space many more times under his administration. The Cold War winded down and there were no frontiers left to conquer within our sights.

[Anonymous No.11906656]

>>11905721
Almost everything that goes wrong on manned missions have to do with things that are there to keep the men alive. It's a huge complexity burden. Just admit that you really love Star Trek and want the space program to look like that. The irony with people like you is that your fetish with astronauts is making your envisioned future less likely because you're jumping the gun. Let robots prepare the frontier of space for humans instead of trying to use humans to do work they're terrible at. Developing robotics and automation that can build a lunar base will get man permanently on the Moon much faster than trying to send an army of ditch digging astronauts will. Your impatience is your own worst enemy.

[Anonymous No.11906668]

>>11904290
Today, people only care about profit.
Remember when we used to build huge monuments, castles, pathways? Now, the only question is "what do we earn with it and how fast?"

This "future" fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.11906673]

>>11906668
there are things dont pro publico bono now, you dumbass

[Anonymous No.11906687]

>>11906673
Surely you can produce some examples?

[Anonymous No.11906721]

>>11906656
>Almost everything that goes wrong on manned missions have to do with things that are there to keep the men alive.
And almost everything that goes wrong on robotic missions have to do with things that are there to keep the robot functional.

>It's a huge complexity burden.
It's only a huge burden because today's space flight infrastructure is anemic. Once the infrastructure is built up, then the burden would go away.

>Just admit that you really love Star Trek and want the space program to look like that. The irony with people like you is that your fetish with astronauts is making your envisioned future less likely because you're jumping the gun.
Nice poisoning of the well. I want more manned missions because I want something more substantial to be done about exploring and studying our solar system than a small robot every 5 or so years. And that anemic level of work being done would continue with solely robotic missions, because robots built to be very small yet expensive thus never able to saturate the launch market to encourage growth.

[Anonymous No.11907164]

>>11904290
the first challenge was to land men on the moon and return them to earth alive. After that they played golf on the moon and drove around in moon buggy doing burn outs. It became routine and boring so the funding wast cut.

[Anonymous No.11907706]

>>11906654
He wound down everything and even tried to limit the Voyager project. He was more concerned with the war in Vietnam.

[Anonymous No.11907932]

>>11904290
because nowadays the space agencies care about the well-being of the astronauts
in contrast the Apollo missions cared about beating the Russians first. If the astronauts got cancer from bad shielding or died a year later? Who cares as long as we manage our goal

[Anonymous No.11907967]

>>11905724
>Ol'Musky of course has never said anything overtly racist. But he is a white South African.
Holy shit. I always knew this but I never put two and two together.

[Anonymous No.11909883]

>>11907932
Yet more were killed on board the Space Shuttle than in Apollo.

[Anonymous No.11909925]

>>11907164
It was even mocked in Superman II where bored men at mission control ask "How long have they been up there anyway?" and the response is "No one cares".
The novelty of a human landing on the Moon was huge but it wore off almost immediately when everyone saw it was just a big boring desert.
Hollywood's movies and tv shows are much more interesting to the public. I sometimes wonder if this is why "the moon landing is hoax" caught on. The reality of how boring the Moon is after spending so much time, money, and attention on getting there made no sense to the average mind and had to be spiced up.

[Anonymous No.11910122]

>>11907164
>routine and boring
At the time war and race conflicts dominated the headlines. Watergate didn't help much either.