/sfg/ Lunar Base Edition

[Anonymous No.11903657]

Think it's about time to make up for out failure to our Lord von Braun

Previous: >>11901195

[Anonymous No.11903672]

> ksp autism
> Manually calculate a coplanar Hohmann transfer from Kerbin to Duna because I want to get a feel of the calculators
> multiplied with standard gravity parameter instead of divide, forget to cube semi-major axis of transfer orbit, repeatedly getting period wrong.
> at points velocities were either outrageously large or small
> get a delta v somewhat similar to transfer calculator, meh

If I were in charge of a space program, I would probably kill an astronaut or two.

[Anonymous No.11903678]

>>11903672
only 2? based on my records with kerbals, i'd end up sending dozens to greed the void

[Anonymous No.11903681]

are they hopping tomorrow still? or pushed back again

[Anonymous No.11903684]

I don't know you, but I don't think his plan to put 1 million people in Mars is actually possible

[Anonymous No.11903694]

>>11903684
depends on how many he can cram into a ship, and how many ships per synod. 1 million by 2050 maybe not, but probably around 250k at least

[Anonymous No.11903699]

>>11903694
1 million people is the population of the city I am in. Imagine sending all that up there in rockets. No, I don't think so. Plus, a city of 1 million requires at least 30 or 50 times its own area in crops in order to be maintained.

[Anonymous No.11903716]

Anyone read this? Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.11903724]

>>11903672
>Houston?We just ran out of fuel
>Eh , just get out and push it

[Anonymous No.11903729]

>>11903684
>>11903694
>>11903699

Don't forget that like any colonization, the growth will likely be exponential where the first 5 years is basically space Plimouth Plantation, and the second 5 years is basically space Salem, but by the 10 year mark it's at the point of space Massachusetts Bay Colony and well on its way to being space New England by the 15 year mark.

Also, don't forget that the colony will likely resemble less of a single city and more like scattered small bases arranged around a large central facility over an area anywhere between the sizes of Rhode Island and Alaska.

[Anonymous No.11903731]

>>11903657
The real question though that I have for /sfg/ is:

Has anyone ever tugged one off in space, and who was likely the first to do it, and where/what mission?

[Anonymous No.11903735]

Opportunity was pretty based

[Anonymous No.11903738]

>>11903699
Anon, only the rich and young will be going to mars. The fuckfest that will happen in the rockets will make the Olympic games village look like a monestary. You can already multiply by 1.5 the population of the rockets before they even land.

[Anonymous No.11903780]

The end of small launch rocket is near

https://spaceflight.com/spaceflight-inc-unveils-next-gen-orbital-transfer-vehicle-to-fly-aboard-next-spacex-rideshare-mission/

[Anonymous No.11903816]

>>11903738
jellobabies.jpg

[Anonymous No.11903826]

Delicious Starship upskirt.

[Anonymous No.11903847]

>>11903716
It mainly goes into how SpaceX, Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic got founded and their histories up until Elons first Mars presentation. There were also some smaller bits on Paul Allen’s launch plane and failed start ups.

It contains loads of small random stories. Some parts I remember in it was Elon dabbing on some conference by pulling a Falcon 1 (this was early days) in front of their building and the first CRS mission almost doing a Starliner and using up its fuel but getting reprogrammed on orbit,

[Anonymous No.11903860]

>>11903847
Thanks man. Think it's worth the read?

[Anonymous No.11903875]

Just reminder...

[Anonymous No.11903878]

rare Minotaur IV launch this morning! trust an ex-ICBM not to scrub.

[Anonymous No.11903881]

>>11903878
ICBMs are built to give zero fucks.

[Anonymous No.11903884]

>>11903860
Yeah. It’s pretty good.

[Anonymous No.11903892]

>>11903875
NASA changed the planetary protection rules for the Moon and Mars the other day.

[Anonymous No.11903897]

>>11903875
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-updates-planetary-protection-policies-for-robotic-and-human-missions-to-earth-s-moon

[Anonymous No.11903899]

>>11903875
>>11903892
https://spacenews.com/nasa-implements-changes-to-planetary-protection-policies-for-moon-and-mars-missions/

[Anonymous No.11903909]

>>11903878
>>11903881

And holy shit did that thing get its ass off the pad in a hurry! I wonder what the 4th stage+payload weight was relative to the throw weight of an MX in full 1980s "glass the entire Moscow metro area" trim.

[Anonymous No.11903911]

>>11903878
rockets back then were made out of steak, today's rockets are made out of soi

[Anonymous No.11903914]

>>11903897
"Private corporations get to play in LEO only" - The Policy.
I tried telling you, again and again. But nobody wants to hear it.

[Anonymous No.11903928]

>>11903914
did you actually read it? Also it only applies if NASA is directly involved in the project, it's not a law.

[Anonymous No.11903930]

>>11903928
Did you read between the lines?

[Anonymous No.11903932]

>>11903928
This, if I were a private rocket company all this would say to me is that total mission independence from NASA will be a vital goal for any private Moon or Mars shot. SpaceX and Blue should get chugging on their own private launch infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.11903939]

>Year 2030
>Rolling up to Chinese Moon Base territory with our Toyotas and Teslas
>Start drilling for resources
>Everything is automated, I’ll just eat my Steve1989-approved space MRE while we mine
>Chinese notice, come rushing out to stop us
>Half of the Chinese base is already poisoned from green pork MRE’s
>Their hypergolic-fueled rover makes it 4 meters before exploding. Half their colony is pillaged

[Anonymous No.11903940]

>>11903659

[Anonymous No.11903952]

>>11903129
They think super heavy wont launch until the end of 2021? Thats an unoptimistic prediction, especially since super heavy will be very similar to starship.

[Anonymous No.11903955]

>>11903875
NASA can't regulate SpaceX missions to mars dumbass.

[Anonymous No.11903964]

>>11903884
:)

[Anonymous No.11903967]

Have you ever gone cursing through google maps looking for locations for hypothetical new spaceports?

One place that stuck out with me is the uninhabited Hawaiian island of Kaho'olawe, which is roughly 100 miles southeast of Honolulu and currently serves as a wildlife refuge. In order to preserve as much of the island's biodiversity as possible, only the western shore of the island should be used for spaceport construction, away from the steeper terrain on the extinct volcano on the eastern side.

Another idea I've had is to gather a bunch of the world's foremost aerospace engineers and rocketry specialists to establish the "Sir Issac Newton Astronautical Academy", which would be a highly exclusive university that specializes in space exploration studies and science. There would be two international campuses, one in America (possibly on or near the aforementioned Kaho'olawe launch site), and another in Russia, preferably near one of their historic launch sites.

I was hoping that a University like this would greatly increase momentum and public interest in manned space exploration.

[Anonymous No.11903971]

>>11903967

Location compared to the rest of the main Hawaiian archipelago.

[Anonymous No.11903972]

>>11903911
>rockets back then were made out of steak
Made out of rubber steak with very long shelf-life and no real complexity. Just light the fuse and SANIC SPEED.

[Anonymous No.11903975]

>>11903972
YEET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvZGaMt7UgQ

[Anonymous No.11903980]

>>11903940
top kek

[Anonymous No.11903983]

>>11903780
wow this is actually cool

[Anonymous No.11903987]

>>11903878
it got off fast and pitched immediately, it was great to watch. especially the staging

[Anonymous No.11903991]

>>11903967
but it's hard to transport rockets there

[Anonymous No.11904001]

>>11903826
Anon! this is a blue board.

>>11903897
We won't have a true improvement in infrastructure until we can build super-satellite that can be repaired, resupplied and without leaving debris everywhere.

[Anonymous No.11904010]

>>11903729
A Mars colony will not have access to the supply chains necessary for exponential growth. Expanding outwards on Mars is incomparably hard and not at all like early colonies on Earth. Also, birth rates will not be high. They simply aren't a thing in developed societies.

[Anonymous No.11904016]

>>11903991
But not steel and raptors, they could just build the rockets there.
It's not that boca chica is any better.

[Anonymous No.11904017]

>>11903967
Enjoy your volcanoes.

[Anonymous No.11904019]

>>11903780
I like that there's so much innovation in spaceflight now, but hate that it's focused on small satellites. The innovation focus needs to be on human spaceflight, not toys.

[Anonymous No.11904020]

>>11903780
>>11903983
If Northrop Grumman can find an American made replacement for the RD-181 (or just buy Raptors or BE-4s lmao) I think they'll still survive since the government wants their solid rocket technology to remain current for defense purposes. Liquid small boosters as a serious money maker are probably over.

>>11904001
>We won't have a true improvement in infrastructure until we can build super-satellite that can be repaired, resupplied and without leaving debris everywhere.
So in other words we need something to fully replace the Shuttle's repair and return capability, and its original promised cadence/cost levels... without the one in three crew loss rate. I don't think that'll be Starship since the cargo variant's fairing opens the wrong way. You really do need the Shuttle type clamshell design for that.

Also the neo-Shuttle would need to be capable of bringing a full Hubble sized load back from GEO, which means considerably more delta-v left in the tank at LEO... which means chemical rockets aren't going to cut it without a sky full of depots.

>>11904010
>Also, birth rates will not be high. They simply aren't a thing in developed societies.
Ban hormonal birth control from the colonies and that goes away. Women's primary job in any new colony or other human-labor constrained environment is baby proonting. That's just biology.

[Anonymous No.11904023]

>>11904010
>They simply aren't a thing in developed societies.
That's because you have had leftists promoting anti-natalism for the last 50 years. Hopefully we can get a mormon colony on mars soon after a SpaceX colony and that will definitely have high birthrates.

[Anonymous No.11904026]

>>11904020
>Ban hormonal birth control from the colonies and that goes away. Women's primary job in any new colony or other human-labor constrained environment is baby proonting. That's just biology.
this, having hormonal birth control in the colony would violate the NAP anyways

[Anonymous No.11904028]

>>11903939
>Eating a space MRE
>Not a sandwich made from locally grown plants and cultivated meat.

[Anonymous No.11904033]

>>11903991

>what are boats

>>11904017

Only the big Island has the active volcanoes, as it currently lies directly over the mantle plume. Continental drift is slowly pushing the islands further west and a new island is expected to form to the southeast around 10,000 years from now.

[Anonymous No.11904035]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1283218156815699969
elon stated population collapse 2nd biggest danger after AI to him, which would probably indicate he will take a pro-natalist stance on a a mars colony

[Anonymous No.11904037]

>>11903940
>>11903826

[Anonymous No.11904040]

>>11904020
Assuming Starship works (and I think that's a fairly safe bet at this point), the easiest way to pull that off would be to go back to the Von Braun post-Apollo architecture, with a separate nuclear cislunar tug that could launch on a Super Heavy booster and do crew/satellite transfers to Starships in LEO. You could have a passenger version that goes from LEO to Gateway (if that ever exists lmao) or LLO and back, and satellite deployment versions that go to any interesting orbit, including hauling dead sats up to graveyard orbits so they can be scavenged later. NTER engines like http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist.php#serpsec or https://toughsf.blogspot.com/2019/09/nter-nuclear-thermal-electric-rocket.html would be a good fit since you can use electrolysis to get LH2 out of moon ice or NEA ice. Then SpaceX can just focus on cranking out Starships for LEO and Mars colonization.

[Anonymous No.11904041]

>>11904037
What are the mods gonna do? Ban me?

[Anonymous No.11904044]

>>11903983
Isn't that just a cubesat shuttle?

[Anonymous No.11904045]

>>11903735
He was the basedstest.

RULE!

[Anonymous No.11904046]

>>11904044
Yes

[Anonymous No.11904047]

>>11904035
A hyper SJW colony can’t be self sustaining. By fostering ideas such as homosexuality, getting gooberment money when “unable or UNWILLING to work” etc. you are setting yourself up for collapse. I know Elon is a centrist and tweets out left-wing things but I’m pretty sure it’s just to make his hive mind followers and grimes happy. When he gets to Mars he really needs to recruit hardworking individuals who hold strong family and working values

[Anonymous No.11904049]

>>11904046
Well, I'm not really sharing your excitement over that. But good on them.

[Anonymous No.11904052]

>>11904041

[Anonymous No.11904056]

>>11904047
Of course. He stated in an interview once that he considers having a family a societal duty, and based on all the times he has ranted about how mars needs people, the low fertility rate is bad, etc etc, I think it'll be definitely be pro-natal on mars.

[Anonymous No.11904062]

>>11904047
Elon knows.

[Anonymous No.11904065]

>>11904041
>tfw space gay now (which is like prison gay but in space)

[Anonymous No.11904069]

>>11904056
Do you think he will support everyone being polyamorous, or will he support strong traditional families? On paper the idea of everyone fucking like rabbits is good for population growth... but humans are complex. I don’t think people would want to go to Mars if they want one wife and they know all the women are whoring around. Also having all that sex would intrinsically set up bad scenarios of jealousy and social deterioration

[Anonymous No.11904070]

>>11904045
no disrespect to oppy but who the fuck loses to dust

[Anonymous No.11904072]

>>11904020
>So in other words we need something to fully replace the Shuttle's repair and return capability, and its original promised cadence/cost levels... without the one in three crew loss rate. I don't think that'll be Starship since the cargo variant's fairing opens the wrong way. You really do need the Shuttle type clamshell design for that.
Really not what I mean, that's too specific and not using efficient infrastructure. Even within LEO
Using directly a shuttle type would waste a lot of fuel because of the extra mass and I do hope you are not even implying manned mission again.
A proper infrastructure is to have unmanned ship meant strictly for orbital works waiting in low orbit to retrieve the package, refuel then accomplish the job using more sophisticated remote.

Aside as an human being I have to point out your comment about birth control is not ethical.

>>11904026
>would violate the NAP
I should now better than to argue with crazy but what kind of insane troll logic make you think that?

Mankind should have better goal than becoming organic Paperclip Maximizer, and I'm not imagining the chaos if someone invent immortality and we start having people asking for the eradication of neighbor they dislike.

[Anonymous No.11904076]

>>11904047
He's smart enough to think about each issue individually and judge it on its own merits, rather than picking one side and blindly following every tenant of that side.
He's anti-SJW but will gladly take government funding. He's an environmentalist and I've never heard him be sexist or racist.

[Anonymous No.11904081]

Mars can't be left alone to SpaceX. Competition is necessary to drive people and organizations forward. We need AntispaceX.

[Anonymous No.11904083]

>>11904069
traditional families

[Anonymous No.11904085]

>Don't look anon, I just stepped out of the shower!

[Anonymous No.11904086]

>>11904081
It's coming step by step ferociously.

[Anonymous No.11904087]

>>11904081
g'day ula

[Anonymous No.11904090]

>>11904072
>I should now better than to argue with crazy but what kind of insane troll logic make you think that?
because if these hormones get into the water supply system, which is a very real issue, they could make people who dont want to have them be infertile. also fuck you, we're gonna try and colonize a planet, which requires a self sustaining population growth on the planet

[Anonymous No.11904092]

>>11904047
Politics aside, I don't think anyone with a working brain can deny the fact that employing productive and highly qualified people who can also make and raise a family is crucial in colony development.

[Anonymous No.11904093]

>>11904085
Quit it before people here start lewding rockets unironically.

[Anonymous No.11904096]

>>11904093
Way too late.

[Anonymous No.11904097]

>>11904093
>before

[Anonymous No.11904099]

>>11904081
wont happen until starship makes its first flight

[Anonymous No.11904105]

>>11904069
I think there would be more men than women at the beginning so I doubt there would be nuclear families. I think most of the people would go there to work and be incels. The women would pair off with guys and be prolific breeders.
I don't know how communal parenting would work. The men wouldn't know who their kids are but the women obviously would.

[Anonymous No.11904110]

>>11904097
Don't tell me you all actually fap to that?

[Anonymous No.11904112]

>>11904081
God damn I wish I was in control of lockheed martin. I would at least devote some research to reusable rockets. I think in a perfect world a lockheed company with tory bruno in charge would really give spacex a run for their money.

[Anonymous No.11904113]

>>11904093
>ugh, you're suck a perv! okay, one quick look. Weirdo.

[Anonymous No.11904116]

>>11904110
No, no. To actual rockets and schematics.

[Anonymous No.11904121]

>>11904116

[Anonymous No.11904125]

>>11904076
>He's an environmentalist and I've never heard him be sexist or racist.
He is racist, neonazi, literally KKK Hitler only by virtue of being white according to moderm standards.

[Anonymous No.11904129]

>>11904116
I've unironically fapped to my own KSP spaceplanes before.
I normally have KSP on one monitor with porn on the other to look at during slow burns and long transfers. I guess my brain started to confuse the two so I stared making these sexy elegant spaceplanes and fapping to them.

[Anonymous No.11904131]

i only masturbate to pictures of insprucker

[Anonymous No.11904134]

>>11904090
This is simply silly, none of the treatments are that powerful and it would get purged a dozen time in any water system required for a colony. Even religious people understand that.
Beside if you were rational about colonization a family wouldn't count on sex, you'd go in vitro to control the timing.

[Anonymous No.11904135]

>>11904134
>t. man boobs

[Anonymous No.11904138]

>>11904125
Yeah but even white liberals admit that about themselves. I know Elon isn’t a hyper lib but I don’t want to make him a role model and then get disappointed when he gets to Mars and starts making SJW speeches, giving CoC colonists of color more money or supplies, stuff like that

[Anonymous No.11904142]

>>11904092
Are you saying liberals don't have working brains?

[Anonymous No.11904144]

>>11904131
That's norminal though.

[Anonymous No.11904146]

>>11904125
>He is racist, neonazi, literally KKK Hitler only by virtue of being white according to moderm standards
Why are you making shit up to yourself angry?

[Anonymous No.11904153]

>>11904090
It would be unethical to have children on Mars right away without knowing the consequences of pregnancy and development on lower gravity. It'll be like 20 years before we get there that people can start to try and have children.

[Anonymous No.11904154]

>>11904146
Get your head out of ass and go to the streets to nearest BLM mob.

[Anonymous No.11904157]

>>11904146
That is in fact the standards of the modern left. Why do you think they're tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus, George Washington, and Jesus?

[Anonymous No.11904159]

>>11904047
>homosexuality
What exactly would prevent a gay colonist from having children?

[Anonymous No.11904163]

>>11904138
>I know Elon isn’t a hyper lib but I don’t want to make him a role model and then get disappointed when he gets to Mars and starts making SJW speeches, giving CoC colonists of color more money or supplies, stuff like that
if he does that, thats when the white revolution happens on mars

[Anonymous No.11904164]

>>11904159
Their sexual orientation

[Anonymous No.11904167]

>>11904159
Gee, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.11904175]

>>11904142

[Anonymous No.11904179]

>>11904157
For good reason. We shouldn't have monument to supporter or slavery and we won't have a proper future in space if we can't get rid of religious thinking.

[Anonymous No.11904180]

>>11904159
The fact that he puts his dick in anus,a place where there is no uterus.

[Anonymous No.11904182]

>>11904179
Fuck off kike.

[Anonymous No.11904187]

Not enough space flight discussion in the space flight general.

[Anonymous No.11904192]

>>11904179
>>11904164
>>11904167
They can do just that right now, why wouldn't they be able to 50 years from now?

[Anonymous No.11904193]

>>11904187

[Anonymous No.11904199]

>>11904187
I think we should design an engine my dudes

[Anonymous No.11904202]

>>11904193

[Anonymous No.11904203]

>>11904157
That's the standards of a very small, loud minority. Most people on the left are not SJWs, and more than most people on the right are cousin-fucking, conspiracy believing hicks. If all you know about a group of people is the memes of course you won't understand them.

[Anonymous No.11904206]

>>11904187
This.
/pol/fags are always derailing these threads.
Now let's talk about Mars Copter

[Anonymous No.11904207]

>>11904129
based

[Anonymous No.11904210]

>>11904199
propanos

[Anonymous No.11904209]

>>11904206

[Anonymous No.11904213]

>>11904202

>>11904199
I want to try to make a N2O or H2O2 thruster once I get disposable income.

[Anonymous No.11904220]

>>11904213

[Anonymous No.11904221]

Indeed, let's get rid of /pol/ and agree that a proper space program can only be done by a government who happen to share <insert opinion> and work to maximize the freedom of every sapient* being.

* defined exactly the way it should be.

[Anonymous No.11904222]

>>11904210
>>11904213
ideas thread?
What happens if we take solid rocket fuel and inject hydrogen peroxide in it?

[Anonymous No.11904225]

>>11904192
Poop doesn't count

[Anonymous No.11904226]

>>11904179
woah man thats deep

[Anonymous No.11904229]

Easiest way to terraform Mars?
I'm thinking giant Mylar mirrors in the L1 Lagrange point, focusing sunlight onto the poles to evaporate the CO2.

[Anonymous No.11904231]

>>11904179
mormons are gonna have space colonies and you're gonna seethe when they do

[Anonymous No.11904233]

>>11904203
>and more than most people on the right are cousin-fucking, conspiracy believing hicks. If all you know about a group of people is the memes of course you won't understand them.
LOL

[Anonymous No.11904234]

>>11904222
>ideas thread?
My idea was to use common steel piping to make a long thrust chamber, and then fashion a catalyst using electroplated chicken wire mesh. N2O would be easier to handle and store, but H2O2 has better performance and density.

>What happens if we take solid rocket fuel and inject hydrogen peroxide in it?
You mean like a hybrid rocket motor?

[Anonymous No.11904237]

>>11904179
Your nose is showing.

[Anonymous No.11904239]

>>11904222
>ideas thread?
Can't we make a reactionless thruster by dividing by zero, like really fast?

[Anonymous No.11904243]

>>11904234

[Anonymous No.11904245]

>>11904234
damn nazis always a step ahead of me

[Anonymous No.11904248]

>>11904179
Religious thinking is apparently a prerequisite for a self-sustaining population. You've got to put results first

[Anonymous No.11904250]

>>11904243

[Anonymous No.11904252]

>>11904250

[Anonymous No.11904253]

>>11904237
>muh jooos
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11904254]

>>11904010
>They simply aren't a thing in developed societies
Because of housing costs, Moishe

[Anonymous No.11904256]

>>11904253
not really but ok, anyways even if we disagree on politics i do agree we should talk mainly about spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11904257]

>>11904252

[Anonymous No.11904259]

>>11904253
>you will be astonished at how he recoils

[Anonymous No.11904262]

>>11904257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_Z13dLnUw

[Anonymous No.11904265]

>>11904041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQXHdItgb7I

[Anonymous No.11904266]

>>11904129

[Anonymous No.11904267]

>>11904262

[Anonymous No.11904270]

[Anonymous No.11904272]

>>11904267
Ooops, saved the thumbnail by mistake.

[Anonymous No.11904275]

[Anonymous No.11904332]

>>11904257
how much thrust does that ion drive achieve

[Anonymous No.11904344]

>>11904129
Pics?

[Anonymous No.11904345]

>>11904332
No idea, but here's the article.

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/year-in-review/new-thrusters-tested-lunar-gateway-power-portion-announced/

[Anonymous No.11904365]

>>11904129
The only thing worse would be straight up fapping to the kerbals themselves.

[Anonymous No.11904407]

>>11904344
Once I get home I'll post some.

[Anonymous No.11904412]

>>11904138
>thinking a south african refugee would ever do that

[Anonymous No.11904433]

>>11904239
Some dudes on Twitter (yeah, I know) and NSF are building visible-light laser emdrives based on Quantized Inertia predictions. They're not reactionless, but if the modeled thrust holds it should be ~1000x better than a photon rocket, which would be 300kW/N, which means similar thrust to ion drives, but with Ve=c and no need to shit Xenon out the back.

[Anonymous No.11904443]

>>11904433
Lmao last I heard, EM Drives weren’t delivering anything over the experimental error value, and even that “thrust” was way way lower than a simple photon engine. Has there been any updates Ive missed?

[Anonymous No.11904447]

>>11904056
Leftism is a societal cancer.

[Anonymous No.11904450]

>>11904069
>Do you think he will support everyone being polyamorous, or will he support strong traditional families? On paper the idea of everyone fucking like rabbits is good for population growth... but humans are complex

Genetics suggest that humans were polygynous for the vast swath of our entire history, with a minority of males impregnating most of the females.

> I don’t think people would want to go to Mars if they want one wife and they know all the women are whoring around.

That sounds hot. My wife has a girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.11904451]

>>11904443
The visible light experiments with mirrored cavities have been showing short, sharp accelerations that don't look like the usual heat-induced false positives. I was following the old copper+microwaves versions and this looks much better.

[Anonymous No.11904453]

>>11904072
>I should now better than to argue with crazy but what kind of insane troll logic make you think that?

It literally goes into the water supply and fucks up everyone’s hormones.

> Aside as an human being I have to point out your comment about birth control is not ethical.

Your leftist opinion.

[Anonymous No.11904456]

>>11904134
>Just don’t have sex be a soulless leftoid and grow babies in tubes

You have fun living on Terra while it collapses.

[Anonymous No.11904457]

>>11904443
;-;

[Anonymous No.11904458]

>>11904179
Anon this isn’t 2012 please fuck off with the “religion bad” shit and go watch Thunderf00t or something

[Anonymous No.11904462]

>>11904248
It’ll be interesting to see when the population decline actually levels out, if it ever does. Seems to me that degenerate western and eastern populations are simply going to die out.

[Anonymous No.11904467]

>>11903678
>greed the void
I went on a colonization mission once. Three different people developed void greed and we had to space them.
Sad fucking thing. Remember to eat your lemons/kraut on your space journeys as to not give in to the call of the void.

[Anonymous No.11904473]

>>11904467
Ren and Stimpy warned us about that goddamn space madness.

[Anonymous No.11904485]

>>11904462
It's a self-correcting system. Those who buy into the belief that nothing matters and reproducing will kill the planet won't pass on their genes, while those who believe that life is good and having children is virtuous will. Progressivism isn't sustainable.

[Anonymous No.11904490]

>>11904072
>an human being
>I have to point out your comment about birth control is not ethical
So you support human hormone manipulation? You support us being the cattle of the minecraft villagers? Perhaps sticking hormones into kids so you can have your transformer army? Sorry goldberg, your reign of diddling kids ends the moment SpaceX completes its first self-sufficient Mars colony.
>>11904085
>And I'm missing my skiiiiin!
>>11904485
Not without a (((seeder))) that breeds the nihilist ideas.

[Anonymous No.11904501]

>>11904433
>>11904443
>>11904457
We'll let you guys know when we need some hot pockets heated.

[Anonymous No.11904502]

>>11904085
I always thought Lunar Lander was a dude

[Anonymous No.11904503]

>>11904502
I always thought the windows and door made it look like a head

[Anonymous No.11904506]

>>11904503
exactly
a man's head

[Anonymous No.11904509]

Either Elon got hacked or he's doing fucking drugs again. I hope that nothing stupid will be tweeted from his account.

[Anonymous No.11904511]

>>11904501
At least they'll be the most futuristically heated hot pockets in the world.

[Anonymous No.11904518]

>>11904509
You'd think the man had 2FA.

>>11904511
But also the most inefficiently microwave heated hot pockets in the world too.

[Anonymous No.11904519]

>>11904509
I'm so used to the fake accounts doing this, surprised it's real.

[Anonymous No.11904522]

>>11904518
you have to pay for style

[Anonymous No.11904526]

>>11904509
100% hacked

[Anonymous No.11904527]

>>11904509
Does anybody even bother with crypto at this point? I hardly ever see it outside the contexts of scamming and /biz/.

[Anonymous No.11904529]

>>11904509
He got hacked.
>sent: 0

[Anonymous No.11904532]

>>11904529
No shit, sherlock.

[Anonymous No.11904537]

>>11904527
STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT CRYPTO ITS THE GODDAMN FUTURE

[Anonymous No.11904538]

>>11904537
Sore because you bought in at all time high while the banks are holding 99% of it and dumping to fleece dumb fucks like you?

[Anonymous No.11904539]

>>11904485
It's amazing how disconnected from reality the modern conservative is. The most prosperous nations in history are the progressive ones. Traditionalism breeds stagnation and decay.

[Anonymous No.11904540]

>>11904518
>You'd think the man had 2FA.
apparently most of the accounts that got hacked had MFA, so it's something more serious than phishing

[Anonymous No.11904542]

Can you make a nozzle that will take input from a can like this and just go whooosh like an actual rocket? Do you really need to inject nitrous/liquid O2? Can you use an HHO generator to make oxygen, compress it into a CO2 canister and then burn the butane with it?

[Anonymous No.11904550]

>>11904542
yes.
the first rockets were exactly like that

[Anonymous No.11904553]

>>11904540
Twitter needs to fix their shit then.

>>11904542
You need a bit more volume and pressure than those dinky little cans can provide.

[Anonymous No.11904556]

Any Mars society is going to be the best of humanity and no extremists. There won't be any SJW types and there won't be any alt-right (which is just right-wing SJW)
It will be scientists and engineers from different backgrounds, and their descendants. Not the "you're a fucking white male!" types and not the "god hates fags" types.
Nobody who goes to /pol/ will be on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11904561]

>>11904542
That's basically a cold-gas monopropellant thruster.

[Anonymous No.11904562]

>>11904539
"conservative" =/= "traditionalist" and "liberal" =/= "progressive"
in reality it's a matter of how much control the government has over things (banking, healthcare, etc) and the most prosperous nations in history have very strict limits on what the government can do and is in charge of in more than a regulatory capacity, ie the opposite of what the modern democrat wants.

[Anonymous No.11904565]

>>11904556
>Any Mars society is going to be the best of humanity and no extremists

You'll say that until they decide to nuke Earth

[Anonymous No.11904566]

>>11904556
>alt-right (which is just right-wing SJW)
ok retard

[Anonymous No.11904567]

>>11904542
>Can you make a nozzle that will take input from a can like this and just go whooosh like an actual rocket?
Yes as long as you have a constricted section (the throat) followed by an expanding nozzle. It'll function like a cold gas thruster.

[Anonymous No.11904568]

>>11904561
The idea is to use a carburetor-nozzle. The cans can output a LOT of gas when they're full.

[Anonymous No.11904570]

>>11904562
democrat =/= liberal
American politics is a choice between government tyranny or corporate tyranny. Both sides are manipulated by their media which paints the other as worse than it is.

[Anonymous No.11904572]

>>11904529
How much did they make hacking Elon's twitter?

[Anonymous No.11904584]

>>11904556
Okay yes I don’t disagree. But keep in mind that Elon is trying to start a city. Assuming Starship will get to the point of hauling hundreds of people (like if he comes out with his 18m Starship and such) there’s going to be a point where everyday joes are going to be going there. I mean the first few thousand people alone will need people like the mexican welders at boca. Non-STEM people with a hard work ethic who will help build and maintain the city. Eventually SJW and alt-right people will get there. And assuming this sjw stuff is just temporary (which it probably is) there will still be extremists of SOME kind who will find their way there. Elon needs a way to weed those people out, I don’t he has given this much thought but it will be a reality by the time he is old and his city has gotten big. Political uprisings can be dangerous. I think he should implement a no-nonsense policy right away and basically say that if you cause problems, you’re getting thrown out the airlock

[Anonymous No.11904585]

>>11903684
It will be possible if he builds a starship gigafactory and pumps out starships like the model T

[Anonymous No.11904589]

>>11903731
Apollo 12, on the far side of the moon

[Anonymous No.11904591]

>>11904509
Could just be shitposting again. Especially considering how common that exact tweet is.

[Anonymous No.11904596]

>>11904570
>choice between government tyranny or corporate tyranny
It's one and the same at the moment, so why not consider that question obsolete?

[Anonymous No.11904597]

>>11904153
Ethics will not hold back science on Mars like it does here on earth

[Anonymous No.11904602]

>>11903731
It could quite possibly be this >>11904589 (though I'd contend that Bean and Conrad would have zero issues cranking one out in the LEM), but I've also heard rumors about Skylab 1 before. Also those 2 shuttle astronauts that got married right before their mission together 100% boned in space.

[Anonymous No.11904605]

>>11904539
>Literally dying out due to low fertility
>We’re not stagnant or decaying haha

Cope

[Anonymous No.11904607]

>>11904584
>Elon needs a way to weed those people out
Why not come up with an anti-fragile scheme where the colony actually benefits from them rather than being harmed?

[Anonymous No.11904608]

The hacked account is still tweeting.

[Anonymous No.11904610]

>>11904568
>carburetor-nozzle
I don't think this would allow for optimal gas expansion

[Anonymous No.11904613]

>>11904570
>American politics is a choice between government tyranny or corporate tyranny

Same thing in the US

[Anonymous No.11904615]

>>11904610
It works for a blowtorch. If a blowtorch can make things really hot, doesn't it mean that it's putting out a lot of energy, meaning there's at least enough energy to propel the can itself?

[Anonymous No.11904616]

>>11904607
You mean like slave labor? Hmm.

[Anonymous No.11904619]

>>11904607
I mean what would you suggest? Also is the average person going to be capable of being aboard a Starship for 4 months. One more question, would every manned starship launch consist of at least a few individuals who could diagnose problems with the ship and make repairs (like a pilot and a few engineers) or does Elon want it to be 100% automated so only passengers are aboard

[Anonymous No.11904627]

>>11904619
>I mean what would you suggest?
You know how UK has a "Shadow Ministry"? Maybe something like that.

[Anonymous No.11904628]

>>11904615
You should read up on how rocket engines actually produce thrust, getting hot doesn't necessarily mean it will produce enough to propel itself.

[Anonymous No.11904630]

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/starship-sn5-static-fire-150-meter-hop/

>single static fire at the weekend, if successful, HOP next week
>SN6 is probably kill, will be most likely scrapped, or used for 150m HOP if SN5 goes boom
>next SS will be SN8, made from 304L, should get 3 engines, a nosecone and flapperinos
>SN7 reached record high pressure
>SN7.1 (yes, 7.1, another retarded SpaceX naming scheme) will be next test tank, hoping to beat SN7's record

[Anonymous No.11904631]

>>11904608
imagine having full access to Elon Musk and Bill Gates's twitters and using them for the lowest effort bitcoin scam ever. What a waste. Hope the hacker at least dumps DM transcripts or something.

[Anonymous No.11904638]

>>11904608
>not posting the n word

[Anonymous No.11904643]

If Musk got $916 million from NASA today we would all be talking about it. Well, Boeing just got that much money today for continued ISS operations, yet the sad truth is no one cares because it’s just “business as usual”

[Anonymous No.11904648]

>>11904628
>getting hot doesn't necessarily mean it will produce enough to propel itself
Energy = energy

Also pV = nRT

Maybe,maybe

I could heat water inside a container and let the pressure propel the vessel? Like the flat earther rocket

[Anonymous No.11904655]

>>11904631
They now have Jeff Bezos's along with Uber and Apple. With the same low effort scam.

[Anonymous No.11904664]

>>11904630
>SN7 reached record high pressure
and that would be how much, you faggot?

[Anonymous No.11904665]

>>11904664
Calm down Bezos

[Anonymous No.11904667]

>>11904664
Sure, hold on, let me call Elon and ask him.
The exact number hasn't been disclosed, mr tard

[Anonymous No.11904668]

>>11904630
I don't know, but I really don't feel like they'll manage to make a fucking functional interplanetary rocket out of all those steel pots. I mean, would you fly in this? Looks like a death sentence to me

[Anonymous No.11904672]

>>11904668
it's a prototype. You wouldn't ride in a titan ICBM would you?

[Anonymous No.11904673]

>>11904668
Give it a coat of titanium dioxide and it's Any Fucking Rocket.
It's a fucking prototype tank, you muppet.

[Anonymous No.11904678]

>>11904673
>titanium dioxide
Also known as white paint

But look at the weld joints

Look at the way everything is made. Just a tiny crack and then you're sucked into outer space.

[Anonymous No.11904681]

>>11904668
It's a prototype. Prototypes tend to look very rough at first.

[Anonymous No.11904682]

>>11904678
yeah, that's how anything made out of steel looks like dude
t. metalworker

[Anonymous No.11904684]

>>11904678
>Just a tiny crack and then you're sucked into outer space.
Not really how it works

[Anonymous No.11904685]

>>11904509
Fake.

[Anonymous No.11904694]

>>11904685
Yup, totally fake. There's only like 4-5 of those posts on his Twitter.

[Anonymous No.11904697]

>>11904678
>just a tiny crack and your sucked into space
That's a fuel tank, just a tiny crack and the tank explodes lmao, but it won't because steel is incredibly strong as a material for fuel tanks

[Anonymous No.11904698]

>>11904665
Fuck off, my twitter account has been hacked
>>11904667
I don't believe until some numbers are presented

[Anonymous No.11904699]

>>11904697
you're*

[Anonymous No.11904701]

>>11904668
>I mean, would you fly in this?

After they’ve produced production models that have been tested, sure.

[Anonymous No.11904708]

>>11904630
>>SN6 is probably kill, will be most likely scrapped
wtf why wouldn't they at least fly it once?
or maybe crash it deliberately?
literally everything would get them more data than just to scrap it

[Anonymous No.11904712]

Imagine being able to take over any twitter account, giving you the opportunity to start world war 3 since the president of the united states is making diplomatic announcements via this service.
And instead you use it to steal a couple ten thousand bucks.

[Anonymous No.11904713]

The most important mod in the world has been made for ksp

[Anonymous No.11904718]

>>11904712
If they make anything I'd be surprised, I'm sure tons of eyes are on that wallet now.

[Anonymous No.11904721]

>>11904713
Hullo.

[Anonymous No.11904724]

>>11904708
Remember mk2?

[Anonymous No.11904733]

>>11904682
False

[Anonymous No.11904740]

>>11904733
those are single barrel segments, they have welds somewhere on there but they're not as visible as on the multi barrel pressure vessels that SpaceX are creating

[Anonymous No.11904742]

>>11904619
>ne more question, would every manned starship launch consist of at least a few individuals who could diagnose problems with the ship and make repairs (like a pilot and a few engineers)
yes

[Anonymous No.11904743]

>>11904718
Yeah, they‘ll go to jail for sure. Black hat hacking is already almost impossible to get away with. Pair this with a couple of idiots trying to make bank off of it and who are also too dumb to spell check the entire centrepiece post of said scam and you‘re left with people who will guaranteed go to jail. Unless of course they are living in some shithole country or a country is covering their asses, that is.

[Anonymous No.11904749]

>>11904631
elon isnt hacked

[Anonymous No.11904750]

>>11904743
>North Korea just hacked Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.11904754]

>>11904749
click tweets dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.11904757]

>>11904718
>>11904743
They've gained access to like, a bunch of major celebrity's twitters, and have made a decent profit so far lmao
They job Bezos, Bloomberg and Kanye, and a bunch of other users

[Anonymous No.11904759]

>>11904749
The scams keep getting deleted and reposted

[Anonymous No.11904760]

>>11904754
if you haven't noticed retard, i'm on the tweets and replies, which shows everything elon has said. those "tweets by elon" are bots that take his name, not his actual account

[Anonymous No.11904764]

>>11904760
Elon probably deleted the tweet

[Anonymous No.11904766]

wtf it is real

[Anonymous No.11904771]

>>11904760
that's not how twitter works, grandpa

[Anonymous No.11904782]

>>11904766
>>11904771
Shut the fuck up, the tweet isn't in his tweets, it's not real retards, stop falling for bait you fucking morons

[Anonymous No.11904786]

>>11904782
i just posted a picture faggot, its in his tweets and replies, it keeps getting deleted and reposted

[Anonymous No.11904788]

>>11904782
imagine being this stupid

[Anonymous No.11904789]

>>11904757
I just mean when it moves to a real account it will probably get popped rather quickly.

[Anonymous No.11904794]

>>11904786
Twitter API got hacked, not elon. That's how they are posting as so many famous people at once.

[Anonymous No.11904795]

>twitter keeps deleting the posts, but the hackers are still in the accounts and able to repost
Honestly, if their central login was actually completely bypassed and this wasn‘t just a bunch of very high profile people just handing out account information, twitter needs to shut down their platform for the time being.

[Anonymous No.11904808]

>>11904795
Imagine the chaos if someone got into Trump's account and tweeted "FUCK NIGGERS" or something.

[Anonymous No.11904814]

>>11904808
>Fox news would defend it as a bold statement
>NBC would call to start the race war now

[Anonymous No.11904829]

https://spacenews.com/how-the-space-sector-is-responding-to-the-killing-of-george-floyd/

[Anonymous No.11904832]

>>11904829
>https://spacenews.com/how-the-space-sector-is-responding-to-the-killing-of-george-floyd/
how are they gonna respond to him putting a gun at a pregnant women for drug money?

[Anonymous No.11904833]

>>11904829
>police kills a dude in usa
>now everything around the world must be about that single event

[Anonymous No.11904837]

>>11903657

Why are we using archaic technology in 2020?

[Anonymous No.11904839]

>that white supremacy is the reason why there is disproportionate violence towards Black people by police, why there are a disproportionate number of people of Black and Hispanic backgrounds in jails, why there are a disproportionate number of people who can’t get loans, and also why there aren’t enough people of color in the aerospace industry
maybe they should acknowledge that black people being disproportionately arrested might be because they disproportionately commit crime?

[Anonymous No.11904841]

>>11904839
Ignore retards

[Anonymous No.11904842]

>>11904795
I think it's some sort of related posts twitter API hack
I have huge swathes of the Twitter interface blocked and I'm not seeing any of this

[Anonymous No.11904843]

>>11904837
What exactly about raptor engines are archaic?

[Anonymous No.11904844]

>>11904829
Oh fuck me. It's like 'whitey on the moon' all over again.

>>11904832
Quietly ignored.

[Anonymous No.11904846]

>>11904837
>full flow staged combustion cryogenic liquid methane/liquid oxygen engines made out of black magic metallurgy is archaic technology
nigger

[Anonymous No.11904847]

>>11904844
>Oh fuck me. It's like 'whitey on the moon' all over again.
Reminder that BLM is run by Jews and their website funnels money to the Democrats.

[Anonymous No.11904848]

>>11904841
Can't ignore them when they're trying to mess with the space industry. They'll probably try and put a transgender jewish black person on mars first, hopefully SpaceX will end up putting a white man on Mars first, the amount of SEETHE that would generate would be hilarious.

[Anonymous No.11904849]

We need to end nasa and stop going to space, and every other country needs to end all space operations because a black person was killed by a cop in Minnesota

[Anonymous No.11904850]

>>11904846
he's mad physics dont change daily.

[Anonymous No.11904852]

>>11904848
SpaceX will probably have one of their adorable ethnic mutt girls on Mars on EVA "first"

[Anonymous No.11904853]

>>11904843
>>11904846
It's bait, he's been in the last few threads

[Anonymous No.11904855]

[Anonymous No.11904856]

>>11904853
I know, but I didn't get to reply to it last time or call it the n word

[Anonymous No.11904859]

>>11904848
Ignore it.

[Anonymous No.11904861]

>>11904855
were the OMS pressure or pump fed?

[Anonymous No.11904863]

>>11904841
There are people who want to end all funding of space programs to divert those funds into poor communities, even though NASA's budget is only 3% of the budget allocated for welfare programs in the US
while basically ignoring the equally large military budget, they would rather us help every person who fell over while running to escape a flood, and drown ourselves, because it feels better to help in the moment, then to save ourselves in the future

they're a threat to space travel, and it's future

[Anonymous No.11904864]

[Anonymous No.11904867]

>>11904861
The Shuttle OMS used a version of the AJ10, which was pressure fed.

[Anonymous No.11904872]

[Anonymous No.11904874]

>>11904829
>Once again, NASA risks being out of touch with the nation as a whole by failing to be more proactive on matters of equality, said Lori Garver, who pushed NASA to hire more women and people of color as astronauts when she was the deputy administrator from 2009 to 2013.
I never understood the thing about these "diversity quotas" It's literally the opposite of what Martin Luther King wanted.
Hiring based on skill color, not qualification.

Also
>who pushed NASA to hire more women and people of color as astronauts
Those women and POC are free to waltz into the astronaut program as long as they qualify for it.

[Anonymous No.11904879]

>>11904254
And what do you think housing costs will be on mars...

[Anonymous No.11904889]

>>11904874
>I never understood the thing about these "diversity quotas"
It's a Jewish plot to degrade and destroy white nations. I wish I were kidding.

[Anonymous No.11904890]

[Anonymous No.11904891]

>>11904605
It’s ok just import a foreign group to replace you,never failed before..

[Anonymous No.11904896]

[Anonymous No.11904899]

>>11904129
¿Hola? ¿Es este el departamento de BASED?

[Anonymous No.11904901]

I love the Titan rocket family. Lockheed Martin should bring it back

[Anonymous No.11904904]

>>11904874
Given where demographics and millennial male withdrawal from society are taking us, soon the only candidates will be women and persons of jog.

[Anonymous No.11904905]

>>11904539
The states are sustaining themselves through importation. The nations (collectives of ethnic power) are literally dying out. There was a net loss of whites last year in America

[Anonymous No.11904906]

>>11904901
Here's one for you.

[Anonymous No.11904910]

[Anonymous No.11904916]

>>11904874
>It's literally the opposite of what Martin Luther King wanted.
Imagine being delusional enough to actually believe this
As if King didn’t take donations to be spent on drugs and hookers, cheating on his wife, etc
As if his rallies weren’t identical to modern BLM riots just no smart phones to record it

Same thing today when they hire actors to pretend to be black panthers

[Anonymous No.11904917]

>>11904843

Well for one, the operating principle is based on medieval mysticism.

Everything what makes this Fagtor engine run was known to science in Newton's time.

It's literally medieval technology.

[Anonymous No.11904920]

3/10 your style is degrading abit

[Anonymous No.11904923]

>>11904920

Quote me, faggot.

[Anonymous No.11904925]

>>11904889
A yenta colleague of mine made a unironic "kill all white men"-tier joke the other day. I can't even remember what it was. /Sci/ should all leave their phone voice recorders on for a full day of work or school and see who comes back with the most clown world field recordings.

[Anonymous No.11904931]

>>11904863
Okay ignore it

[Anonymous No.11904932]

>>11904917
>It's literally medieval technology.
Then why didn't they builid it?

[Anonymous No.11904940]

>>11904906
We need to convince the govt. that it needs newer ICBM’s with the rapid deployment and payload capacity of Starship. Maybe if we disguise a rocket program as ICBM R&D they will throw all the money at it, and ULA will then get a fully reusable rocket that just so happens to also be designed to deliver nukes

[Anonymous No.11904944]

I think it would be good for us all to take a break from posting for a little bit, till the fag trying to accelerate the thread with shitposting fucks off.

[Anonymous No.11904947]

>>11904940
A methalox starship competitor from lockheed, with the Titan name, would be awesome. Tory Bruno could launch his snipers

[Anonymous No.11904959]

>>11904932
>Then why didn't they builid it?

They did.

[Anonymous No.11904962]

>>11904947
It's honestly baffling that nobody made a methalox Titan given that Titan is made of methane.

[Anonymous No.11904973]

According to Business Insider and some data found from website miners.
>"The terms and conditions laid out in the file make clear the program isn't one you can tell anyone about: Every tester will be required to sign a nondisclosure agreement.
>"You are being provided early access to the Starlink Services. The Starlink Services and details like internet speeds, uptime, coverage, and other performance specifications are confidential and proprietary to SpaceX," the file says.
>"You may NOT discuss your participation in the Beta Program online or with those outside of your household, unless they are SpaceX employees.
>"You must not share anything on social media about the Starlink Services or the Beta Program. This applies not only to public forums, but also to private accounts and restricted groups. Do not provide access or information about Starlink Services to the media or allow third-parties to take pictures of any part of the Starlink Kit."

pic is the beta region

[Anonymous No.11904974]

>>11903939

Nice hiss

[Anonymous No.11904977]

>>11904940
Implausible, ICBMs use solids because it gives them a nearly indefinite ability to sit around doing nothing while fully fueled with little to no maintenance. Pressurized cryocooled propellants demand constant attention and probably more importantly significant constant power. True, a LOX/CH4 LRBM would have a higher ISP, but it would also have a lower TWR, a higher cost to design and build and a higher cost to maintain in a "ready" state. While some older ICBMs did use hypergol LPREs, most modern missiles use solid rocket motors.

[Anonymous No.11904980]

>>11904917
Well faggot, what do you suggest we use to get in space? Soi wars warp engines? GIBS programs?

[Anonymous No.11904984]

>>11904891
That’s literally how they think. Historically speaking, it is inevitable that ethnic groups overtake other ethnic groups at various times and places, and I accept this historical phenomenon as natural and even desirable, but reacting to this struggle with anything but resistance is pathetic and suggests a deep societal decay.

[Anonymous No.11904987]

>>11904916
>As if King didn’t take donations to be spent on drugs and hookers, cheating on his wife, etc

Chad

[Anonymous No.11904993]

>>11904959
that's a solid rocket motor, not a liquid rocket motor, and certainly not a liquid rocket motor as sophisticated as Raptor

[Anonymous No.11904996]

>>11904977
I didn’t consider that earlier, yeah you’re right. Just today that Minotaur had been sitting for 30 years or something and got launched right? Is there not really a use for liquid rockets now besides NASA?

[Anonymous No.11905002]

>>11904977
How come Russia is building a new generation of liquid fueled ICBMs? Is it because of the higher throw weight?

[Anonymous No.11905005]

>>11904996
>Is there not really a use for liquid rockets now besides orbiters?
Nope. Solid motors win for missiles and air breathing jets win for atmospheric travel. Liquid chemical rockets are only good for lifting shit out of deep gravity wells into orbit, but they are very good at that.

[Anonymous No.11905006]

>>11904996
You could maybe sell this Titan idea as a replacement for satellite delivery and return missions. Besides NASA, the government pays companies like lockheed martin and boeing (and notably ULA which is the combo of the two precious companies) to make liquid rockets for sattelite deliveries. You could convince them to make something to match Starship’s abilities. But considering the fact they already dished out funding for SLS and Vulcan, along with a lot of tiny little shit launchers, I don’t think were gonna see another reusable spacecraft for a while. At least not one funded by the government, or launched by Bezos

[Anonymous No.11905010]

>>11904996
liquid rocket motors are good for getting into space cheaply and efficiently
commercial satellites and yes, NASA science satellites as well as all crewed stuff is better off with the higher maintenance liquid rockets because holy fuck solids are just giant exploding fireworks fuck you

[Anonymous No.11905013]

>>11905005
I've heard that some country was considering liquid fueled booster rockets for a 5th gen fighter to give it bursts of speed, but I have no idea which one it was.

[Anonymous No.11905015]

>>11904973
Is the beta sign up still open?

[Anonymous No.11905021]

>>11904724
yeah that was equally stupid

[Anonymous No.11905022]

>>11905015
yeah

[Anonymous No.11905025]

>>11905010
NASA seems to be using CRS as an excuse to fund ridiculous meme tier systems and get them experience doing ISS runs.
>Antares has Russian first stage engines and a solid upper stage - who the hell does that?
>Falcon 9 / Dragon is a reusable first stage with a crew capable upper stage
>Dream Chaser is a standard oldspace booster with a babby shuttle on top

[Anonymous No.11905030]

>>11905021
Mk2 would've probably popped like mk1 did, I never had high hopes for those things. Multiple plates welded together to make a single ring. Ridiculous

[Anonymous No.11905031]

What are the chances HLS doesn’t make it through prelim funding from NASA?

[Anonymous No.11905036]

>>11904996
LPREs are ideal for manned spaceflight, or spaceflight involving payloads which will spend significant time in space after launch, payloads that need to maneuver significantly while in orbit, etc. The primary two benefits of LPREs over solids are that they have higher ISPs and you can actually shut them off and restart them effectively, and because of their complex mechanics they can be built to survive multiple firings without melting or exploding. SRBs tend to melt or warp their nozzles due to the lack of active cooling, and are generally less controllable once ignited. There are methods to throttle and stop them mid-flight, but they aren't really worth.
>>11905002
Possibly, their ICBMs use much larger warheads than American counterparts, due to what I assume is a poorer guidance system that introduces a larger margin for error, as a result the warhead must necessarily have a higher yield to guarantee it's target is destroyed.

[Anonymous No.11905048]

>>11904959
>gunpowder
ugh I liked them more back when they was called a bonfire.

[Anonymous No.11905055]

>>11904973
>90% of Canada's population
fuck yeah sign me up

[Anonymous No.11905056]

>>11905036
>due to what I assume is a poorer guidance system that introduces a larger margin for error, as a result the warhead must necessarily have a higher yield to guarantee it's target is destroyed.
Yup. Russia sucks at PGMs.

[Anonymous No.11905068]

>>11904874
>NASA risks being out of touch with the nation as a whole
literally only out of touch with urbanites and joggers

[Anonymous No.11905069]

No LASP litter in space this week

[Anonymous No.11905072]

>>11904917
>the operating principle is based off medieval mysticism
What do you suggest, we somehow change physics? Sure the operating principle is simple, but the actual engine itself is extremely complex and requires modern technology (alloys, control systems, etc etc)

[Anonymous No.11905074]

>>11904959
You're literally retarded. As the other anon pointed out, that is a simple solid rocket motor using a very simple fuel mixture as well. The first liquid engines weren't built til the 1920s, and those were much, much, much, simpler then the raptor.

[Anonymous No.11905077]

>>11904973
>only far northern US
ugh, I thought when they said the northern US they meant like everything north of 40 degrees

[Anonymous No.11905085]

>>11905030
Mk1 was pretty much just a model to show off to the media and tourists. Wasn't even really a prototype. Starhopper was just an excuse to test raptor engines. SN1 was the first true prototype.

[Anonymous No.11905086]

>>11905085
>Starhopper was just an excuse to test raptor engines
I think it was a ploy to have the claim that Starship components have flown more than SLS.

[Anonymous No.11905088]

>>11904973
They're probably just saying "don't tell anyone" to ensure that people tell everyone. Super-liminal advertising.

[Anonymous No.11905089]

>>11903735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJH9GobEFUk

[Anonymous No.11905095]

>>11905086
It also means Raptor beats BE-4 to be the first flight proven FFSC methalox engine.

[Anonymous No.11905099]

>>11905095
The Raptor would've beat the BE-4 in that regard anyways, because the BE-4 is an ORSC methalox engine.

[Anonymous No.11905106]

>>11905099
>BE-4 runs lox rich
Jeff Benis BTFO

[Anonymous No.11905149]

>/sfg/: Ill Informed Demography General

[Anonymous No.11905158]

>>11905106
no, the preburner runs oxygen-rich, not the main combustion chamber

[Anonymous No.11905165]

>>11905025
Solid fuel upper stage what the fuck

[Anonymous No.11905167]

https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1283518038445223936

the absolute state of twotter

[Anonymous No.11905169]

>>11905165
Narwhal Grunting is a defense contractor first and foremost. They love their ICBM tech.

[Anonymous No.11905190]

>>11905169
Never heard of Narwhal Grunting

[Anonymous No.11905192]

>>11905190
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares_(rocket)

[Anonymous No.11905194]

>>11905190
Northrop Grumman

[Anonymous No.11905198]

>>11905167
>3 hours ago
they have no fucking idea what happened
this means this was just a test to prove the vulnerability worked and is being sold to a foreign government right now

[Anonymous No.11905199]

>>11905194
Northwood Groomin'

[Anonymous No.11905201]

>>11905198
You're implying it wasn't China to begin with.

[Anonymous No.11905205]

>>11904713
>>11904721
that high horsed faggot can fuck off

[Anonymous No.11905211]

>>11905194
Chronicles Gunman.

[Anonymous No.11905217]

>>11905194
Namedrop German

[Anonymous No.11905232]

>>11905205
Fock yu

[Anonymous No.11905247]

>>11904121

What did they actually plan for the Sea Dragon to Carry?

[Anonymous No.11905254]

>>11905247
bulk steel and shrugs lmao

[Anonymous No.11905257]

>>11905247
>500 metric tons to LEO
Anything.

[Anonymous No.11905286]

>>11904896
>pomf<
>Oh anon, what are we going to do on the bed?
[THROOST sounds ensue]

[Anonymous No.11905306]

>>11905205
Scott Manley is a gem.

[Anonymous No.11905343]

>>11905306
He’s literally a socialist

[Anonymous No.11905390]

>>11904940
>Hypergolic flyback boosters the size of a Saturn V first stage

Stop it, anon, you're going to give me a priapism

[Anonymous No.11905402]

>>11905247
Oh no, it's hot.

[Anonymous No.11905436]

>>11904270
>>11904275
super based

[Anonymous No.11905462]

>>11905257
Starship with extra steps and rescale mod.

[Anonymous No.11905471]

>>11905343
>He’s literally a socialist
So? He talks about interesting space stuff. I don't refuse to watch someone because they're "literally a conservative."
Imagine being so fragile that you only watch content from people with whom you share political views.

[Anonymous No.11905476]

>>11905471
didn't scott manley say he didn't like right wingers watching him or something

[Anonymous No.11905477]

>>11905471
Don't you know? This is the era of factionism. If you're even slightly different than me, then you're evil and deserve to die. No nuance, no respect of opinions, and no grey.

[Anonymous No.11905480]

>>11905390
Obviously not hypergolic but lmao that reminds me of that Anon a while back who suggested that the russians should build a starship competitor based off of a Proton M

[Anonymous No.11905483]

>>11905471
Anyone who doesn’t share my political views is literally evil.

[Anonymous No.11905484]

>>11905471
Anyone who watches conservative youtubers are literally Hitler.

[Anonymous No.11905485]

>>11905484
I wish. Hitler was great

[Anonymous No.11905486]

>>11905343
Yes and? Russian rockets were built by-and-large by believers in the ideology uniquely responsible for the largest genocides in human history. von Braun worked within the SS at the beginning of his rocketry career. Elon Musk has had some bizarre and contradictory political stances all over the board, Bezos completely aligns himself with the pseudo-marxist neolib authoritarians. Honestly, although politics is interesting there is no immediately justifiable reason to ignore or deride someone's character for holding beliefs different to one's own.
Scott being a socialist doesn't inherently degrade the quality of his character, it just means that he's somewhat economically illiterate.

[Anonymous No.11905488]

>>11905485

[Anonymous No.11905504]

>>11905486
>von Braun worked within the SS at the beginning of his rocketry career.

The SS were good

[Anonymous No.11905511]

>>11905486
You're wasting your time with such a well-reasoned and lucid post.

[Anonymous No.11905516]

>>11905486
yeah pretty much

[Anonymous No.11905532]

>>11905480
If you were going to use it as a giant ICBM you'd have no choice but to make it hypergolic for long-term fuel stability on standby.

And it'd be fucking beautiful

[Anonymous No.11905534]

>>11905532
12m diameter, 2 stages, fully reusable
Name: Red Sky

[Anonymous No.11905542]

>>11905532
hypergolic rocket exhausts do look pretty

[Anonymous No.11905585]

>>11903967
Johnson Atoll

[Anonymous No.11905600]

>>11904973
Fuck, wrong part of Wyoming

[Anonymous No.11905705]

>>11905471
It is because he thinks he is better than everyone. Further it is hard to escape this hell world with space rockets when the fancy Eceleb starts talking down on you.

[Anonymous No.11905707]

>>11903967
>>11905585
Why not just create an island from scratch right on the equator, like what china did in the south china sea

[Anonymous No.11905734]

Without mentioning Starship, what are you most excited about in terms of upcoming human spaceflight. Elon gets all the attention but I think we need to talk about Orion more. Yeah something like Starship will render it useless, but until then I think Orion will be a cool little spacecraft
Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.11905736]

>>11904973
>In daylight, I'm your average Joe.
>But in the cover of the night, I use satellite Internet.

[Anonymous No.11905739]

>>11905734
>what are you most excited about in terms of upcoming human spaceflight.
That there seems to not only be a growing desire for it, but that there are multiple parallel desires to go to the moon and beyond. Each one being independent from each other in some way. So if one or more fails, then there would still be others fully capable of reaching out.

[Anonymous No.11905741]

>>11905734
>without mentioning Starship
the Super Heavy booster is extremely exciting
LUVOIR?

[Anonymous No.11905742]

>>11905734
I really hope Artemis happens. Never saw a moon landing live and I’d love to show it to my kids

[Anonymous No.11905755]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOcroR50808

[Anonymous No.11905760]

>>11905742
with starship there may be tens upon thousands of moon landings in your lifetime, plus the colonization of mars anon

[Anonymous No.11905763]

>>11905734
I'd like to see Blue Origin succeed, because they're really the only other serious company with a mindset of space colonization. Yeah they get a lot of shit, but they have effectively unlimited funding and in the grand scheme of human history we're still very much in the early days of human spaceflight. I can see them being a key player in the solar system 30, 40, 50 years from now

[Anonymous No.11905770]

>>11905763
Same. I'm a big advocate for emphasizing more on actual hardware over concepts and studies, but I think Blue Origin has a good shot to be an influential space company once they have actually usable orbital rockets flying

[Anonymous No.11905776]

>>11905763
Yeah I don’t doubt they will be a big contender, and Bezos’ deep pockets are a plus. I mean they’re already producing BE-4’s not only for themselves but for ULA so I guess they are the real deal. I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that they seem to not give a shit about New Glenn. You’d think they would be testing it by now and preparing plans for an upgraded version but I don’t even think they’ve made it to orbit yet

[Anonymous No.11905779]

>>11905734
I want to see New Glenn and New Armstrong actually roll out of their VABs and lauooooooooonch. Starship will still outcompete them, it's built in a more sensible manner, but they'll all surpass current hydromeme+Suicide rocket booster affairs like SLS. I want to see multiple different classes and brands of commercial rocket flying, and I mean really commercial, not "exclusively prepaid government contracts", I want to see the everyday common affairs of human commerce move up into space.

[Anonymous No.11905784]

>>11905776
They haven't even assembled it, pressure tested it, test fired it's engines while at full pressure, hopped it, or done anything with it.
Granted that Starship still looks nothing like it's concept art, and probably won't for at least a year or two more at least, but New Glenn doesn't even seem to exist outside of concept art except for the BE-4 engine itself.

[Anonymous No.11905788]

>>11905784
That is the most frustrating part about Blue Origin. It's hard to tell if they're doing work behind the curtains, or just jerking off.

[Anonymous No.11905795]

>>11905734
Starlink launches

[Anonymous No.11905812]

>>11905734
Artemis
There isn't really too much else exciting happening in human spaceflight. It's great so see a whole bunch of different vehicles coming to the plate, but for the most part they aren't doing anything incredibly new.

[Anonymous No.11905853]

56% of enlisted personnel who applied to Space Force actually got in. The only group who had fewer applicants than available jobs was 1C6, Space Systems Operators, aka people who do the real work. All of the other positions were overflowing with applicants, especially the computer techs.
1C = run the spacecraft
1N = analyze intel
3D = IT neckbeard larpers

[Anonymous No.11905885]

Do you think Elon will take big advantage of Artemis, and his own HLS landers, to use the Moon as a sort of “field test” for Mars technology. Like surely he will? What could be done on the Moon that would aid him for a Mars landing

[Anonymous No.11905896]

>>11903716
I listened to it on Audible. A good primer and you might learn something about SpaceXs early days if you haven’t been following forever. Most interesting to me for its coverage of Bezos and BO.

[Anonymous No.11905900]

>>11905885
The presence of gravity will change a lot of things, Elon would be dumb not to test stuff there. Couple ideas I have
•Toilets and showers should be a lot more sophisticated because you have gravity
•Better food options. You could probably afford to bring bread and carbonated drinks and stuff now because you can just sweep the floors for crumbs and fluids are now subject to gravity

[Anonymous No.11905910]

>>11905885
It's a totally different landing profile, and the lunar ISRU fuel situation isn't applicable practice for Mars.
However, the Moon could be a good testbed for habitat technology, and on-site construction techniques.

[Anonymous No.11905918]

>>11905853
how hard is 1c6

[Anonymous No.11905927]

>>11904749
https://archive.vn/UAFme

It's not a matter of hacking. Twitter's internal fucking tools are out in the wild like the useless fucking cunts that they are. And surprise surprise, you can do anything to any account with them.

[Anonymous No.11905931]

>>11904829
What the fuck, man?

[Anonymous No.11905946]

>>11904917
>engine produces fire
>fire was discovered in prehistoric times
Literally no better than stone age technology. Might as well bang rocks together to get to space.

[Anonymous No.11905973]

>>11905088
Anon, the service is probably going to be a piece of shit with this few sattelites and no real word data and experience to work with yet. By the way, they are using phased array antennas for this, right? I heard some people getting confused by SpaceX calling it a dish in some publication.

[Anonymous No.11905994]

>>11905486
>Elon Musk has had some bizarre and contradictory political stances all over the board
He seems like he is mostly economic liberal/liberal in the actual sense of the word. He seems to be a strong advocate for just letting most people do whatever as long as it‘s not too blatantly destructive. In his Third Row Tesla interview he floated the idea around to give laws an expiration date for example.
I guess he has some more authoritarian views on media because they annoy him mostly.

[Anonymous No.11906001]

>>11905994
The more authoritarian, the better. Wish we lived in 1984

[Anonymous No.11906005]

>>11906001
I will shoot you and everybody who agrees with you

[Anonymous No.11906006]

>>11905734
Artemis would be cool to see even if it‘s a massive waste of money. Sadly it‘ll get axed before anyone‘s going to fly with it.
Also launch cadence of one a year is just not enough to really do anything meaningful even if they keep funding it.

[Anonymous No.11906008]

>>11906005
Why so mean

[Anonymous No.11906012]

>>11906001
i wish i lived in democratic kampuchea desu, ceyoo ceyoo angkar

[Anonymous No.11906038]

>>11905994
I forgot to add that it‘s funny to me that an actual liberal stance is "bizarre" and "contradictory" to Americans since it doesn‘t align with their two parties.

[Anonymous No.11906044]

>>11906038
as an American, Elon has pretty good opinions that generally align with me and my friends
we're very mad at our two party system right now

[Anonymous No.11906103]

>>11906044
Honestly, I‘m amazed that nobody in the USA ever points the finger at the broken voting system creating this two-party mess. I‘d be marching down the street day and night if I was American in that system.
Sorry for derailing. We should probably get back on topic.

[Anonymous No.11906105]

>>11906103
we've tried, but the people capable of reforming it without violence are quite happy with the current system, and nobody else has the money to spend that much time not working

[Anonymous No.11906139]

https://youtu.be/vFwqZ4qAUkE
haha boosters go WHOOOOSH

[Anonymous No.11906149]

>>11905900
...and then you take off and all the crumbs come out of hiding?

[Anonymous No.11906186]

ah, here we go

[Anonymous No.11906195]

GENTLEMEN
BEHOLD: THE SRB-X

[Anonymous No.11906200]

>>11906195
Absolutely Kerbal.

[Anonymous No.11906208]

Does the ISS orbit inside Earth’s atmosphere by technicality?

[Anonymous No.11906218]

>>11906186
>the world‘s largest rocket stage
Elon, hurry up, make them stop saying this trash.

[Anonymous No.11906220]

>>11906208
Where does the atmosphere end and vacuum begin? It's 408-410 kilometers up there. It's inside our magnetosphere.
It's well past the karman line which we consider to be the "border" to space.

[Anonymous No.11906222]

>>11906218
isn't the core stage taller than Super Heavy
it holds less propellant and less volume but still

[Anonymous No.11906224]

>>11906220
>where does the atmosphere end and vacuum begin
out past the orbit of the moon, the exosphere is big
the thermosphere caps out around 600 km

[Anonymous No.11906229]

>>11906224
It's all a matter of definitions since vacuum is not quite the hard vacuum you see in action sci-fi movies of the 80s.

[Anonymous No.11906230]

>>11906229
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocorona
it's either that or the top of the thermosphere, which is between 400 and 1000 km depending on Sol's mood

[Anonymous No.11906234]

>>11906230
Yeah, the point I wanted to get across was that there's not a hard line that says "you are now departing the atmosphere and are now in a 'hard vacuum'".
It's in Low Earth Orbit which is basically the kiddy pool.

[Anonymous No.11906236]

>>11906234
>basically the kiddy pool
but with less piss
LEO is a nice place

[Anonymous No.11906239]

>>11906236
Yeah, but a really boring one.

[Anonymous No.11906246]

>>11906222
Not sure. For SLS core I found 65 meters on wikipedia. For Super Heavy it says 70 on Wikipedia. Although an old infographic I had put it only at 63.
Either way. At the very least SLS wouldn‘t be able to boast with the maximum thrust anymore if Super Heavy was fully realized.

[Anonymous No.11906324]

>>11905918
I read that it requires being able to do math like trig, being qualified for top secret clearance, and having to work closely with engineering contractors. So it sounds like it might be difficult for most people in the military.

[Anonymous No.11906326]

depot

[Anonymous No.11906346]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD0crdqWrCA

spacewalks spacewalks

[Anonymous No.11906377]

wtf

[Anonymous No.11906392]

>>11906377
Is that Eve?

[Anonymous No.11906397]

>>11906377
the earth is purple

[Anonymous No.11906404]

>>11903826
KYAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Anonymous No.11906407]

>>11906377
Eve confirmed real

[Anonymous No.11906409]

>>11906404
>バカバカバカエルノの変態!

[Anonymous No.11906411]

wtf they're moving outside without hooking? what if his hand slipped?

[Anonymous No.11906412]

>>11906409
Oops, should probably have written that as エロヌ or something. I fucking suck at katakana.

[Anonymous No.11906542]

>>11906377
Always has been

[Anonymous No.11906657]

>>11906377
time to harvest some explodium

[Anonymous No.11906672]

Intredasting ...

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1283409466889773056

[Anonymous No.11906693]

>>11906672
kek, imagine that being launched on starship

[Anonymous No.11906711]

>>11906672
So we're gonna build a lunar RV park?

[Anonymous No.11906725]

>>11906672
>the first large lunar habitat
>large
Picture not related?

[Anonymous No.11906757]

>>11906725
>Here's your lunar habitat, NASA-san!

[Anonymous No.11906767]

>>11906757
That EVA suit is a bit too rigid.

[Anonymous No.11906772]

>>11906672

[Anonymous No.11906775]

>>11905734
I wanna see what the long march 9 does, they are SpaceX’s only serious competitor at this point. Everyone else is to slow to take seriously.

[Anonymous No.11906840]

>here's your moon base bro

[Anonymous No.11906842]

>>11906840
Looks comfy imo. Imagine taking a lunar "road" trip from one area of interest to another.

[Anonymous No.11906865]

>>11906672
Seems good desu.

[Anonymous No.11906871]

Me and the boys climbing Olympus Mons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OMG8u-0-Bk

[Anonymous No.11906881]

>>11906871
>climbing Olympus Mons
It'll probably be more like...
>"are we there yet?"
>no
>"are you sure? this looks high enough."
>no, the MPS says we still have 20 martian miles left
>"are you *really* sure? the area looks flat."
>I wish I left you at Elongrad

[Anonymous No.11906919]

>>11906842
>whalers on the moon

[Anonymous No.11906943]

>>11906775
>I wanna see what the long march 9 does
devours villagers

[Anonymous No.11906948]

>>11906919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8V2U7vTys0

[Anonymous No.11907007]

>Page 11
>thread still going
Wut?